Why the hell are you on a clearly Christian video arguing this? I can prove his existence, even on your level of thinking. Yet you come here strutting your stuff, trying to intimidate others? That don't fly here. Talk small and carry a big stick. Btw, if you think God is evil, there's a whole lot you don't know.
@theDarkAzin, You Tube is a public space, not your private worship place, Religious ideas are not off limits from scrutiny or the rejection of the idea when made in public. It is the same with politics or any other idea.
@Heteblixem We were not doing the same thing. You were taking phrases out and saying they mean one thing when in fact that is not their intended meaning whatsoever. Even Satan quoted scripture... But also said it out of context which gave it a whole different meaning.
@billsrock624, I don’t see how these are taken out of context. Christians have a tendency to only acknowledge the verses that are easy to defend. But ignore the others because it is uncomfortable to think about.Err...so what "context" is wiping out the whole Earth not evil?
If you don't have one that is convincing, the context complaint is pointless.
@Heteblixem You don't understand Christianity Hetblixem, which is why you're misapplying Scriptures. The Old Testament is only interpreted in light of the New Testament. If you won't do this, then your complaints are against Judaism not Christianity.
@thepaulblog,don't try that "you don't understand Christianity" The 10 Commandments are found in the Bible's Old Testament at Exodus, Chapter 20. Cherry picking Christians ? Why don't Christians follow all of the Bible? Why do they cherry pick passages to believe
@Heteblixem If you are Atheist, then why are you on here on what seems like every single day? Why do you quote the bible when you clearly haven't read the bible, you only find verses that work for your point without understanding their meaning? If you don't want to believe in the quite obvious God, then get off here and watch other videos.
@Heteblixem They don't "follow" all the Bible because there are two covenants in the Bible: the Old one (found in the Old Testament's Law) and the New one (found in the New Testament's Jesus). If you only wish to throw laws at Christians found in the Old Testament, essentially your argument is with Judaism not Christianity.
@thepaulblog, This is just another bullshit scapegoat that Christians use to ignore the atrocities and bizarre laws commanded by their god.
“For truly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass the law until all is accomplished. (Matthew 5:18-19 RSV) Clearly the Old Testament is to be abided by until the end of human existence itself. None other then Jesus said so.
@Heteblixem Wrong again. Jesus fulfilled the law. Read the rest of Matthew. The whole idea of Christian salvation rests on the fact that a sinless Jesus fulfilled all of the Law and took the punishment for His people who could not. Salvation involves getting Christ's righteousness and Him getting your punishment.
@Heteblixem I'll go further on this because I realize I typed the same thing last time but since you didn't get it then, you don't get it now. The Law, all those commands you want to pull from the Old Testament, was designed to show one thing: man is guilty (Rom. 3:19-20). He needs a savior. And that is what Christ has come to be. That said, why do most Christians still look like everone else? They are not truly Christians: few there be that find salvation: Matt. 7:14
@thepaulblog,Peter says that all slaves should “be subject to [their] masters with all fear,” to the bad and cruel as well as the “good and gentle.” This is merely an echo of the same slavery commands in the Old Testament. 1 Peter 2:18
@thepaulblog, Are you saying your God you hope exist made a mistake and wrong in creating those laws ? Why living by rules set by something that needed a "do over"?
@Heteblixem I'm saying God in His omniscience knew that hard-hearted people would never think they need a Savior unless they could see that they were sinners, thus the Law. It was never God's intention to have people saved by it. Even people saved during Old Testament times demonstrate this: David, Moses, Abraham, Job, etc. They sought forgiveness apart from their righteousness or rule following. They found grace in God's goodness. And God could justly forgive them through Jesus Christ.
@Heteblixem Humans, sinful creatures that we are, took the law and made it into something it was not intended to do - a replacement for God. People started believing that following the law was the whole point of being a Christian, when a relationship with God is what He wanted as well. God sent Jesus to die to prove that we cannot make ourselves right with God by ourselves, by ANY means. Even if we think we've got the commandments down to the letter. Jesus' coming was in the NT,
@thepaulblog,. Are you saying your God you hope exist made a mistake and wrong in creating those laws ? All Christians cherry pick, or they wouldn't herd up in denominations. There are reported to be over 38,000 Christian denominations. created by minor differences in interpretation of scriptures, the bulk of which is ignored.You would think that if the christians weren't taking the bible in and out of context all the time, they would eventually end up with one sect.
@Heteblixem Wrong again about all the denominations. To be a Christian there are core tenents of faith one must adhere to. Outside of those primary truths, the Bible gives liberty in deciding 3rd and 4th level layers of truth: such as how a church service runs or disputes about infant baptism. Therein is the plethora of denominations.
@thepaulblog, I have met Catholics, Baptists, Mormons, Jehovah’s witnesses who were all serious about their belief in Christ. But none of those denominations will state that the others are 'real' Christians.
@thepaulblog, History shows Christians disagree on almost everything, there are reported to be over 38,000 Christian denominations. All over the world, Christians are gathered together singing "They'll Know We Are Christians by Our Love"—in separate groups, of course, since each group finds it impossible to fellowship with the others. Praise the lord and pass the ammunition. Ever been to Ulster?
@Heteblixem We addressed the denominations. See previous post. Agree to core beliefs = Christian. Beyond core beliefs are within acceptable realm of Christian disagreement. What you seem to have is an epistemelogical dilemma, not necessarily limited to Christians. In just about every belief system or worldview (atheism included) there are varying sub-groups, so that in itself proves nothing.
@thepaulblog, You would think that if the christians weren't taking the bible in and out of context all the time, they would eventually end up with one sect.
@thepaulblog I’m sure some will write me off as someone who was never really a “true” Christian. I've seen Christians at Atheist forums telling each other they're not true Christians. They all appear to believe they are the true Christian, and everyone who views it differently isn't reading the Bible correctly. The hardest part about becoming an Atheist is admitting to yourself that you have been shamelessly duped...
@Heteblixem,To excuse the atrocious behaviour of the old testament as "of another time and place" is to admit that morals are cultural constructs. But if morals are merely a product of their social context then why would God ascribe to them? Unless he was also a product of that context, perhaps.Far from being evidence of the divine, the Bible is a visibly human document.
@Heteblixem Because He is a God we are not meant to understand. :) If He was human, he would follow logical human thinking. If He followed human expectations, He would have angels writing the truths of the Bible in fireworks or something like that to satisfy what we think an awe-inspiring deity would do to prove that He is what He is...But as I said, He is God. We are not. Mull over that. please :)
If it is true that God's thoughts are so much higher than ours that we cannot hope to understand them, then how can anyone know what he is really like or what he does or does not want? Ironically, the very same people who claim that human beings cannot understand God's ways almost inevitably go on to add, either implicitly or explicitly, "But I know what God wants us to do!"
@Heteblixem And the behaviour of the Old Testament is not something Christians are just supposed to ignore or forget. The emphasis of the Bible is on the fact that by Jesus's sacrifice on the Cross, every sin done in the past (Old Testament..hey if you wanna go further back, it still applies) and every sin that WILL be committed has been forgiven,
@Heteblixem (cont.) and we will suffer no punishment if we accept and acknowledge Christ in his role as Saviour, the one who gave up himself so we could be free of the punishment.
@photoelectricPhotos,so, god had to sacrifice himself to himself to save us from himself? anyone who seriously threatens eternal torture for any reason cannot be called good or moral or loving or just in any sense.If what you’re saying is correct, Jesus hardly made the greatest sacrifice. He knew he would be resurrected anyway.
@Heteblixem You are just picking words out of these versus... Not actually reading the whole meaning of the verse. Try reading more than just one verse and I'm sure it will make more sense.
@billsrock624, I am doing nothing more (or less) than you were doing; I am taking a verse and quoting it back to you. .My quoting is no more or less valid than your method. "And don't try that 'I'm a true believer' crap, either. I don't recall in the bible where god gives you special permission to quote a verse here and there and disallows anyone else that same privilege."
@Heteblixem no, you take one verse and bring it out of context, because in your context it can sound stupid or however you want it to sound. If you studied the verses, you find the actual meaning is far different. On all verses, not just complex ones.
@Goabnb94,If a man beats his male or female slave with a rod and the slave dies as a direct result, he must be punished, but he is not to be punished if the slave gets up after a day or two, since the slave is his property. Exodus 21:20-21 Do you think you could explain how this is taken out of context?
@Heteblixem Fisrt off, you have done what everybody does and quote the old laws. Slavery was common in that time, as the slaves could become property of their master or die because they were poor. Remember this is like 5000 years ago, and many old laws (which were made for the isralites) do not apply for todays society because of Jesus' death. A slave is still a human, and as God says don not murder, the master shall be punished for his murder.
@Goabnb94,"""" Remember this is like 5000 years ago, and many old laws (which were made for the isralites) do not apply for todays society because of Jesus' death.""
Are you saying your God you hope exist made a mistake and wrong in creating those laws ?
@Goabnb94, Other religions also feel their god working in their lives or feel his presence.Because if they didn't then you would know its false, for example a billion muslims cannot all have a "placebo effect" and must feel or attain something otherwise they would just drop the religion all together if they see nothing happening and that it was all false? Does that prove their God is the right one?
@Heteblixem Demons act as other entitys. They can act as a God, and so people believe them. Doesn't make their God, who would like to see them all dead, a God. Demons also act as the spirits of dead people, who do you think physics talk to? They can be very believable, because they know the truth and they feed you truth mixed with believable lies.
@Heteblixem Under the same laws, slaves were to be released after 7 years, however, as most liked their masters and would still be poor on their own, most stayed. Remember, slavery was different then than it was today. Slavery was the escaping from death, as there was no social welfare from the government in those days. So, if the master kills a slave, it is murder, and shall be punished equally.
@Goabnb94 "" Under the same laws, slaves were to be released after 7 years""
God loves slavery ; Slaves, obey in everything those who are your earthly masters, not with eyeservice, as men-pleasers, but in singleness of heart, fearing the Lord. Whatever your task, work heartily... Not only does God condone slavery, but he is also completely comfortable with the concept of beating your slaves, as long as you don't kill them.
@Heteblixem Because slaves were treated well in those days. They often ate at the same table with the same food as their masters. I don't think God condones slavery. I can't give you all the answers, I don't know them all.
@Goabnb94, I think that owning people as slaves is immoral ! You would never think that owning people as slaves is immoral if you rely on the Bible or the Koran as your source of morality.
@Heteblixem Being a slave meant you were well treated. Sure there were jobs to do, such as harvest fields and cook wash and wash up, but we do these today and they are not life threatning or pointless. They were very well treated and had the option of being released after seven years, and being a slave meant avoiding death by being poor. If avoiding death is immoral, then fine, slavery (from those days) is immoral.
@Heteblixem If being respected by your master, and living in the same house and using the same supplies isn't well treated, then fine, believe what you want to believe. You can't say for certain that it didn't happen like this because you were not there.
@Goabnb94 "You can't say for certain that it didn't happen like this because you were not there." Were you there? If God were just, he would have scorned slavery in all its forms and severely punished anyone who claimed to own another.
@Heteblixem Now, there are probably much more hidden in that verse that people have discovered, but this verse is essentially just talking about murder fullstop. But his is a 'straightforward' verse, rather than a 'complex' verse, which has no literall meaning when first read.
@billsrock624, It basically goes like this. If a Bible verse sounds good to me, and I want to believe it, then you can take it as it is. If a Bible verse sounds ridiculous or outrageous, or contradicts scientific knowledge, or if I just don't want it to be true, then it's either metaphorical or you have to look at the "context."
@billsrock624, If you are going to quote scripture don't forget all the "righteous" commands in Deuteronomy 22:28 Rape victim must marry rapist; rape victim's father compensated for depreciation of his property. Genesis12:13-19 Abraham prostitutes wife. Exodus 21:7-11 OK to sell daughters. Female slaves can be used for sex. Leviticus21:9 Burn daughters. Numbers 31:17-18 Kill all except virgins. Keep virgins for yourselves.
Love this! If you have ever lied, taken something that wasn't yours, used God's name in vain, been jealous/envied someone or hated someone then you have broken God's holy law (The ten commandments) and will have to face God on judgement day. God sees you as a criminal who deserves Hell.God commands all men to REPENT (turn from sin) and trust in Christ, and you will be made right with God and saved from punishment to come. You broke His law and Jesus paid your fine because He LOVES US.
@OX44LIFE We have no excuse to not know or see God, now that you have seen this too. The only thing I or we can do now is pray without ceasing and not faint. I need the grace of God and so do you.
@OX44LIFE then what is your definition of "cool" or "right"? It doesnt matter if doing what's right is cool or not. Who cares what others think of what work we do if it's a "cool" thing to do? So long as we Christians do what God asks and we strive all our lives to follow His will and obey His commandments, then we don't care what the world thinks about us or how they view us; if God approves of us, then that's all we need.
@Oogleporf If your very own brother, or you son or your wife secretly entices you to worship other gods Show him no pity .. Stone him to death." Don't forget to stone your son when he is rebellious & will not obey you (Deut 21- 8) & so on. If you followed the bible to the letter you would killing allot of people in the name of god.
@Heteblixem I also believe that, from culture, we are unfamiliar with dealing with spiritual & moral absolutes. "Truth is relative" is a phrase common in the U.S. However, God is very clear & unwavering in what truth is - it is what He deems it to be. His nature is holy, therefore He is perfect in His actions & motives. In our pride, we attempt to challenge God to compromise His very nature, attempting to justify our flawed perceptions . God should be adhered to. Jesus bridged the gap, saving us
@Heteblixem I also believe that, from culture, we are unfamiliar with dealing with spiritual & moral absolutes. "Truth is relative" is a phrase common in the U.S. However, God is very clear & unwavering in what truth is - it is what He deems it to be. His nature is holy, therefore He is perfect in His actions & motives. In our pride, we attempt to challenge God to compromise His very nature, attempting to justify our flawed perceptions . God should be adhered to. Jesus bridged the gap, saving us
@Heteblixem We weren't meant to die, because of sin we face that consequence. The grace of God allows us to be forgiven, that there can be a restoration of intimacy with Him. Since God is not imposing, He offers us a choice: choose the wondrous blessing of having a relationship with Him, or continue in our sin & receive the punishment for that course - total separation from Him. God is uncompromisingly holy, so sin CANNOT enter His presence. Thanks be to God for reconciliation in Jesus Christ!
@Heteblixem I saw your comments, and realize that this debate was a few months ago, but wanted to share something with you that I don't think was emphasized in the previous discussion. God loves all mankind, necessitating the need for reconciliation to Himself - that as Jesus Christ. Due to the sinfulness of mankind - a lack of adherence to the moral code & conduct, all are under the punishment of utter separation from Him. Hell was never intended for humans, continued in second part of comment
Does anyone know the doctrine that Propaganda adheres to? I enjoyed this video but there was a part that made me wonder if he believes in the oneness theology or he believes in the Triune God (the Trinity). It's at the section 3:45. "God sent Himself as Jesus". That suggests Oneness theology and not the Trinity (God sent His Son, John 3:16). I don't want to start a theological debate here. I'd just like an answer to my question. Thank you.
@NatalienGracia He is as one God as He is three. Dont try to understand it unless u hav infinite knowledge that ud like to share. lol and i know people will be sayin that that's just a Christian way of excusing science and 'impossibility'. But, if we knew everything, wouldnt we be God too? Theres gotta be mystery in there somewhere.
@82890song I don't even know what you are getting at. Just a simple answer to my question would have sufficed. But don't worry, I got the answer to my question. Propaganda does adhere to correct doctrine on the Trinity and not the false Oneness doctrine.
@ heteblixem; God is the Alpha and Omega and they do not regret anything for they are perfect. What might be perceived as that comes only from your mind which is in Likeness to Gods but you'll never be able to understand God fully. If you bear many children and one of them grows up and threatens to kill your family would you regret it? God gave us a free agent... Genesis
@zenchi420 - How do you know ? Because it's written by the same people that believed the Earth was flat and the center of the Universe? Written in the same book that said the Moon emits light when all it does is reflect it from the Sun? Ah but written from the book of Job 26:7. JOB, the guy who your god u hope exist bet the devil he can murder his family, destroy his land, take his money, and physical torture him to prove he will still love him ?
@Heteblixem If I sinned against my classmate what should be my punishment?, how about against the principal?, how about against the president?
but no, you ultimately sinned against an Infinite God! God created us upright! Satan's wiles from the beginning is to make sin "not serious" that what he did to Adam and Eve, yet God is loving, He is patient come to him humbly, Repent! for the glory of God! You don't know the agonies Jesus suffered for humanity's sake!
@joliboy11- """" You don't know the agonies Jesus suffered for humanity's sake! ""
That was his choice. He could of just given us eternal life based on our behavior, without the sacrificial nonsense. Just like the flood - if he wanted to start life again, why not just do it without the silly ark thing?
@Heteblixem If you want eternal life based on you, you must (without fail) obey the 10 Commandments. Since the rest of us couldn't do that, some have chosen to put faith in what Jesus did. Your last question- he wanted Adam and Eve (and us) redeemed because he loved us so.
@SerpentStomper The Abrahamic god permits natural disasters and human evil. The stories documenting the malicious nature of this god are plentiful. Where is the evidence that this god possesses even a tiny bit of love? He sacrificed HIMSELF to HIMSELF in order to forgive us for our disobedience you say? Its just so dang funny...and sad that people will gladly carry this fear of eternal torment while warping and twisting it into...love. ?
@Heteblixem Well all I can say is I don't fear. I've had an encounter with God and I only felt love. There is a reason God seems harsh in the O.T...because He was. Against sin. There was no hope of redemption then because none could yet be born again.
@SerpentStomper,It wasn't our fault that Adam and Eve disobeyed God in the Garden of Eden.When all this happened we weren't even born; then how in the hell can we blame ourselves for the screw up? The blame lies with the architect,Your God knew full well exactly what was about to happen.Is your God all knowing, or is he stupid? Did your god have absolutely no idea of what was going to happen to Adam, to Eve.. to ALL humans?
@Heteblixem He wanted us to choose for ourselves and make r own decision. He created and then allowed us to pick a side. If you were in Adam and Eve's position, you'd do the exact same thing. God gave us everything we needed to be with Him: paradise, warning, and ONE rule. We broke the only rule we had. u can't blame your parents when u do something bad, although they, too, probly knew u'd make them angry 1day, even when u mom was pregnant. u wer punished but whos fault was it? not moms or dads.
@82890song, I do know the story of Adam and Eve, and I know that your god made them without the knowledge of good and evil, thus they could not know that sinning was evil nor that disobeying god was evil, so your god punished them for not having an understanding he did not give them,In Genesis chapter 3, God punishes Eve, and all women for thousands of years, with greatly increased pain during childbirth. No such pain is inflicted on Adam this makes your God a sexist.
@Heteblixem He gave them a choice and 1 rule: dont eat of the tree. Disobeying gave them the taste they needed to become 4ever addictd. Man was cursed with the ground. Up until then things grew easily, but afterwards, man would have to work. I'm a woman and I believe that he isnt sexist but greatly increased the pain, implying that there was pain to begin with. In a perfect world where there wuld be no pain, the pain of childbirth in a perfect world would seem enormous, just as it seems today.
@Heteblixem a sinner because they are human? yes. but no, they aren't condemned because a small child has not yet reached the age that they can decide for themselves. A decision can and will make or break them.
@SerpentStomper, I would hate to exist forever. All good things must come to an end. Eternal life seems horrible, imagine 100,000,000,000 years and your no where near the end? Free in this life to enjoy the pleasures of a wonderful universe, without all that mumbo-jumbo and worry of what might be in store in an everlasting afterlife.
@Heteblixem I know its mind-boggling. But remember we are limited by time. It won't seem like years and years in eternity. It will be...constant. Personally I think it will probably be like time is always in the present, no past or future. But there is no way of rationalizing in our minds a lack of time. Our lives on earth are dictated by it.
@SerpentStomper, There are countless examples of god's fury and wrath in the bible. Just because people make mistakes and stray from him, is this really a reason to kill or torture them? Lot's wife was turned to a pillar of salt just because she was curious. Another man was instructed to kill his son as a test of his faith. God destroyed the whole world with a flood except for the chosen pairs of animals and one family....
@Heteblixem I'd sure like to know where you are getting your information about what God could have done. I think it's utterly absurd for you to believe that Christ would have suffered humiliation, beatings and crucifixion for us if there were another way, especially one as easy as you have postulated.
Also, Satan quoted the Bible to Christ, but took it out of context and Christ rebuked him by quoting it properly. So yes, the Bible does show that not just anyone can quote the Bible.
@Heteblixem See, you clearly have not read the bible. Satan CHALLENGED God, not the other way round. Satan said to God that Job only gives his life to God because God has blessed him. God gave satan the power to do what he wanted to Job, except kill him, to see his reaction. But, he still followed God. All this is quite obvious in the first 3 chapters of Job.
@Goabnb94, I was raised Christian :) I can assure you, I've read the bible quite well. I've read the quran, and the hadith, as well as many other religious texts.Claims of "not understanding"the bible is a personal attack you must use because you've no other defense.Do you believe you are on a higher knowledge about religion just because I choose not to believe?
@Goabnb94, """"God gave satan the power to do what he wanted to Job, except kill him, to see his reaction.""""
So what is the moral of the story? That if you are faithful, God will double what you have. Oh, and if you’re faithful, God will destroy one of your homes, kill your children, kill your animals, kill your servants, and strike you with sores and boils from head to toe, so he can tell Satan, “Told you so!” What an ego!
@Heteblixem The moral is that followers of God don't have to be blessed with wealth to have faith. I think God, who is perfect, as opposed to us sinners has the right to take the same life He gave. I don't think He deserves to be judged for doing what He wants with His creation.
@Goabnb94, All I can go by in determining whether or not the God of the Bible is real is to judge whether or not the actions attributed to him are sane and rational according to my standards. If God cannot meet my standards of how I would expect a rational intelligence to behave, then how can I possibly worship such an entity? If god does exist, I think I’ll stay away from him, if he’s responsible for the things he gets credits for , he’s got to be one mean SOB.
@Heteblixem said; quote "If God cannot meet my standards of how I would expect a rational intelligence to behave, then how can I possibly worship such an entity? If god does exist, I think I’ll stay away from him..."
Your/my/our standards pale in comparison to the Almighty God's standards. The day you take your last breath & shed your earthly vehicle, you will get your wish & go to a place that has nothing to do with him! Unless of course you change your way of thinking...
@Heteblixem ...you & I as mankind can never begin to fathom how God thinks, our little minds couldn't handle it. I'll pray for you, that one day before your last breath, you will come know your purpose on this planet earth & what God has done for you, even though you turn your back on him. In the end you will find out, we all will.
@Heteblixem The things He gets credit for, lets see, like sending His only son to earth to suffer and die for our sins even when we didn't deserve it? And now Hes mean? Would you give your first child to suffer and die so that a large number of others could life? I very well doubt that; because I wouldn't want to either. That is selfishness, but don't worry, all humans are selfish. And now you call Him mean, after the love Hes shown us?
@Goabnb94,So this deity sends his own son, who was his own father, to be tortured and killed in order to satisfy His demand for punishment and redemption. He sacrificed himself to himself. And you call that “perfect”? It sounds more like the perverse manipulations of a celestial narcissist who is obviously a control freak.
@Heteblixem Us sinners should have taken His place, with the torture and death. For God loved us, He gave us His son to take our place up there. He took all our sins upon Him so that all of us could be saved. Only a perfect sacrifice could save us - because a sacrifice is an innocent being dying to atone a sinner. So, I call Jesus perfect.
I pray that you'll find God before its too late. You clearly have a lot to learn. I don't mean to sound Judgemental, because I am the same.
@lowbudgetstudioslbs Have you ever asked yourself why you believe this and if you care whether your beliefs are true? I did, that's how I became an Atheist. You pray for me. I'll think for you. may God b less !
@lowbudgetstudioslbs `´´´´ Yes it says that, but then it fixes it later.´´´´ Are you saying your God you hope exist made a mistake in creating those laws ?A truly omniscient being doesn't change his mind, have regrets over his actions or contradict himself about never changing his mind. To threaten to do one thing and then relent or repent of evil is to change your mind. Please read Exodus 32:14, 1Samuel 15:11 & 1Samuel 15:29.
How do i get a copy of this on my iPod? Do i have to pay something? And where do i get a copy for my iPod. I'd really love to do a dance to this and maybe even translate it into ASL for Deaf people.
How do i get a copy of this on my iPod? Do i have to pay something? And where do i get a copy for my iPod. I'd really love to do a dance to this and maybe even tranlate it into ASL for Deaf people.
@donshishkebab If some being is going to punish people for a very short time of life in which they didnt bow to him. He isnt worthy of anything. I dont think 50-70 years of living life is enough to say you didnt have faith or didnt believe properly, so I am going to punish you for billions of years. I call that over kill. That would be like punishing your child for his whole life because of a one second booboo.Eternal Hell for finite sins? Are you kidding me?!
@Heteblixem Mate, I think you're standing from the wrong rock... So you would ask is the Glass half Empty or Half full? He Created Adam & Eve, we are the by Product of it. God desired a relationship, as I would in having a spouse or chilling with Friends. Im sure you have that. But If we cut off that desire, we'd be left alone. in this case Death is something that is inevitable. BUt Jesus Made a way for us to be redeemed. If you choose to deny it, thats your entirely your choice.-
@donshishkebab How can you possibly deem something free when you must fear consequences? That completely conflicts with the definition of free. Its just so dang funny...and sad that people will gladly carry this fear of eternal torment while warping and twisting it into...love. o.O???
@Heteblixem Don't fear the consequences... its mere cause and effect. You step out on a moving traffic expect to get run over. It's inevitable, given a long enough time line you will die; However, Jesus died for You, & Me, to believe in Him is to have eternal life.
Free- To have Eternal life. it is free.
Visualise this, You fell in a river being washed down stream, or I throw you a life line. Its free, All you need to do is hang on to the rope. Yes. Its Free. Do you want it?
@donshishkebab - again If there is free will, then why all the punishment if you won't believe? The only function of the free will in the bible is to devote your life voluntarily to the whims of the deity in charge, or burn. Looks a lot like the kind of freedom the mafia offers her clients,
@Heteblixem God=all the goodness in the world. You do have free will. You can choose God, which is everything good, or not, which is everything not good. Eternal separation from everything good would result in the exact opposite. BUT forcing you to believe in God and living in Heaven with a God you don't believe in would be even worse. It would be bending your free will, and He doesn't want that. In everything, good and bad is all there is. War:Peace, All:None. There is no in-between.
@82890song, In order to have freewill a person must have a selection of choices that are not influenced by external sources or divine will. According to mainstream Christianity; a person really only has TWO choices. Accept Jesus Christ as their savior, and go to Heaven; or reject Him, and go to Hell.
As soon as a force starts to tamper with a person's choice, then that person's will is no longer free.
@Heteblixem no one is holding you back from choosing one way or the other. Divine will isnt tampering at all, and if theres tampering i dont know about, it would be no more than the world is. Peer pressure for drugs, killing for money. God is everything good and nothing can be good without Him. With or without Him, your choice is not His fault. Is there something forcing you to choose one way or the other?
@82890song, Again nobody chooses to go to Hell, and that's another area where the freewill doctrine falls flat on it's face. According to mainstream Christianity; a person really only has two choices. Or, accept Christ and be happy for eternity; or reject Christ and be absolutely miserable for all eternity- that's not much of a choice is it.
p.s. I am law abiding , have never done drugs ( apart from prescribed ones) or cigarettes and I never drank alcohol. :}
@Heteblixem You're law abiding are you? Familiar with the ten commandments? You ever look lustfully at someone who wasn't your spouse? You're an adulterer. You ever taken anything without asking? You're a thief. You ever told a lie, even a white one? You're a liar. Have you ever been angry with someone? You're a murderer. Ever disoney your parents? You've failed to honor them. You certainly don't honor God. Just one of these means you haven't met God's standard. You look pretty guilty from here.
@DMatthewHenry, The first 4 commandments are all about this god insecurity. Your 'loving' God,whom I presume is the God of the Bible,is a figment of your imagination,but as depicted in the Bible he is a mass-murdering,slavery-endorsing,child-killing and abusing,evil monster,and as a decent thoughtful moral person I would want nothing to do with him.
@82890song, Morals are not taught in the bible, obedience is To abdicate your conscience to a religion is to deny your responsibility to your humanity.
@donshishkebab - The voluntary entry argument doesn’t make sense. The same argument could be used to justify the sending of Aryan opponents of Nazism to concentration camps: they voluntarily chose not to give homage to Hitler, so they chose to be interred. Why should we blame the Nazis for the inmates’ choice? Why should we blame God for the choice of the damned?" ?
@Heteblixem Hey mate, are here just to Argue or are just wasting my time? as said. if you want to email me by All means- donkebabi@hotmail.com do you think you are perfect in all form of your life? do you believe you will die given a long enough timeline? Do you believe you have a soul?
@Heteblixem . BUT it is not God's will that you should perish. It's like a meal that's been cooked and ready to be consumed. You just take it with gratefulness cause you desire so. If you're not hungry you just don't eat it. Simple yes? feel free to email me if you like- donkebabi@hotmail.com
@Heteblixem - This period is a period of Grace dude. The Law has been accomplished by Christ (Jesus) forgiveness. So Your sins has been forgiven. But would you accept His Free Gift of Life?
So We are all pardoned. Do you still desire judgement upon yourself? Jesus came to Give life & life abundantly-
@Heteblixem Everything is either wrong or right, yes or no, good or bad. We have free will, but as a race we chose not to be with God. God=all good. anything apart from that is all bad. By choosing not to be with God, we chose everything bad. God gives us what we ask for. It would be far worse if God bent our free will and forced us to love Him and serve Him. We chose which side to be on thru r actions. When you die, u go to the side you chose to be on.
@82890song, If I were to hold a gun to your head and say “you have free will to not give me your wallet, but if you attempt to defy me I will kill you.” Does it really feel as if you have a choice in the matter?
@Heteblixem Your comment only makes sense if God were finite and not limitless perfection. Any sin against an infinitely holy God requires an infinite punishment. If you kill a regular person, you may get 20 years in jail. If you kill a cop, you'll get life. If you kill the pres_dent, you'll get the death penalty. Penalties always increase as the worth or office of a person increases. With God, the reciprocal is infinite; therefore, an eternity in hell is justified.
@thepaulblog, That’s wrong. And if your religion tells you it’s right, your religion is wrong too. The lengths people go to bend over backwards so as to accept an immoral God....its beyond words really
@thepaulblog, There's a part in the bible that says if a man rapes a girl all he has to do is pay the girls father and that girl will become the rapist wife. if your a true christian then tell what is metaphorical about this.
@Heteblixem Eternal torture? No. Eternal punishment? Yes. The thing you also have to see is that people who end up in hell would rather be there than in God's presence anyway. They hate God and want nothing to do with Him (denying His existence, cursing His laws, mocking His judgments, ridiculing His followers), so they would despise a heaven with Him in it anyway.
even if your idiotic argument were true, atheists would hate God in the same way you hate Apollo, Horus, Thor or any other god you dont worship. You cannot say you hate something that you believe doesn't exist. I have a problem with those who claim that a personal, hell-fire god exists and that he, as the ultimate authority, has the right to destroy us all at will, because we are unworthy and don't deserve to live.
@Heteblixem whether you admit it or not, there is a difference between torture and punishment, so your argument is nill there (as is your incessant ad hominem). But your whole logic proves my point: you won't want to be with this "hell-fire" God anyway, so hell would be your choice anyway. And, even with an evolutionary worldview, you don't deserve to live, soooo...
@thepaulblog,You don't catch on very quickly do you, I'm an atheist, I do not believe in god, the devil, hell or any of the other claptrap you base your daily life around.
@Heteblixem You sure do argue alot over something you don't believe in, so much so, it seems you do base at least some of your life around God afterall.
A gift to you.
DougTampa 1 week ago
Explains everything, thank you :)
triangle 4 weeks ago
AWESOME
LaurieG369 1 month ago
Jason God Bless you men I just finish the Game Day Conference and it was awesome
elavilla 1 month ago
A little short on Jesus Christ in the video...i thought I would never her it.....come on...get real...
u2dam 1 month ago
Thank you for making this video. It is beautiful! May God continue to bless you! Psalm 5:12
jmksd 1 month ago
@Heteblixem
Why the hell are you on a clearly Christian video arguing this? I can prove his existence, even on your level of thinking. Yet you come here strutting your stuff, trying to intimidate others? That don't fly here. Talk small and carry a big stick. Btw, if you think God is evil, there's a whole lot you don't know.
theDarkAzin 1 month ago
@theDarkAzin, You Tube is a public space, not your private worship place, Religious ideas are not off limits from scrutiny or the rejection of the idea when made in public. It is the same with politics or any other idea.
Heteblixem 1 month ago
@Heteblixem We were not doing the same thing. You were taking phrases out and saying they mean one thing when in fact that is not their intended meaning whatsoever. Even Satan quoted scripture... But also said it out of context which gave it a whole different meaning.
billsrock624 1 month ago
@billsrock624, I don’t see how these are taken out of context. Christians have a tendency to only acknowledge the verses that are easy to defend. But ignore the others because it is uncomfortable to think about.Err...so what "context" is wiping out the whole Earth not evil?
If you don't have one that is convincing, the context complaint is pointless.
Heteblixem 1 month ago
@Heteblixem You don't understand Christianity Hetblixem, which is why you're misapplying Scriptures. The Old Testament is only interpreted in light of the New Testament. If you won't do this, then your complaints are against Judaism not Christianity.
thepaulblog 1 month ago
@thepaulblog,don't try that "you don't understand Christianity" The 10 Commandments are found in the Bible's Old Testament at Exodus, Chapter 20. Cherry picking Christians ? Why don't Christians follow all of the Bible? Why do they cherry pick passages to believe
Heteblixem 1 month ago
@Heteblixem If you are Atheist, then why are you on here on what seems like every single day? Why do you quote the bible when you clearly haven't read the bible, you only find verses that work for your point without understanding their meaning? If you don't want to believe in the quite obvious God, then get off here and watch other videos.
Goabnb94 1 month ago
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@Goabnb94, """" If you are Atheist, then why are you on here on what seems like every single day?""" I love people, like you talking back to me :)
Heteblixem 1 month ago
@Heteblixem They don't "follow" all the Bible because there are two covenants in the Bible: the Old one (found in the Old Testament's Law) and the New one (found in the New Testament's Jesus). If you only wish to throw laws at Christians found in the Old Testament, essentially your argument is with Judaism not Christianity.
thepaulblog 1 month ago
@thepaulblog, This is just another bullshit scapegoat that Christians use to ignore the atrocities and bizarre laws commanded by their god.
“For truly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass the law until all is accomplished. (Matthew 5:18-19 RSV) Clearly the Old Testament is to be abided by until the end of human existence itself. None other then Jesus said so.
Heteblixem 1 month ago
@Heteblixem Wrong again. Jesus fulfilled the law. Read the rest of Matthew. The whole idea of Christian salvation rests on the fact that a sinless Jesus fulfilled all of the Law and took the punishment for His people who could not. Salvation involves getting Christ's righteousness and Him getting your punishment.
thepaulblog 1 month ago
@thepaulblog, Your, Ten Commandments are found in the Old Testament.The biblical basis for anti-gay bigotry is found there as well..... ;)
Heteblixem 1 month ago
@Heteblixem My 10 Commandments? I'm sorry, did I claim ownership of the 10, or even bring them up?
thepaulblog 1 month ago
@Heteblixem I'll go further on this because I realize I typed the same thing last time but since you didn't get it then, you don't get it now. The Law, all those commands you want to pull from the Old Testament, was designed to show one thing: man is guilty (Rom. 3:19-20). He needs a savior. And that is what Christ has come to be. That said, why do most Christians still look like everone else? They are not truly Christians: few there be that find salvation: Matt. 7:14
thepaulblog 1 month ago
@thepaulblog,Peter says that all slaves should “be subject to [their] masters with all fear,” to the bad and cruel as well as the “good and gentle.” This is merely an echo of the same slavery commands in the Old Testament. 1 Peter 2:18
Heteblixem 1 month ago
@thepaulblog, Are you saying your God you hope exist made a mistake and wrong in creating those laws ? Why living by rules set by something that needed a "do over"?
Heteblixem 1 month ago
@Heteblixem I'm saying God in His omniscience knew that hard-hearted people would never think they need a Savior unless they could see that they were sinners, thus the Law. It was never God's intention to have people saved by it. Even people saved during Old Testament times demonstrate this: David, Moses, Abraham, Job, etc. They sought forgiveness apart from their righteousness or rule following. They found grace in God's goodness. And God could justly forgive them through Jesus Christ.
thepaulblog 1 month ago
@Heteblixem Humans, sinful creatures that we are, took the law and made it into something it was not intended to do - a replacement for God. People started believing that following the law was the whole point of being a Christian, when a relationship with God is what He wanted as well. God sent Jesus to die to prove that we cannot make ourselves right with God by ourselves, by ANY means. Even if we think we've got the commandments down to the letter. Jesus' coming was in the NT,
photoelectricPhotos 1 day ago
@Heteblixem (cont.) ending the bondage we had with the Old Law of the Old Testament. HUMANS changed, God didn't. And He didn't make mistakes. We did.
photoelectricPhotos 1 day ago
@thepaulblog,. Are you saying your God you hope exist made a mistake and wrong in creating those laws ? All Christians cherry pick, or they wouldn't herd up in denominations. There are reported to be over 38,000 Christian denominations. created by minor differences in interpretation of scriptures, the bulk of which is ignored.You would think that if the christians weren't taking the bible in and out of context all the time, they would eventually end up with one sect.
Heteblixem 1 month ago
@Heteblixem Wrong again about all the denominations. To be a Christian there are core tenents of faith one must adhere to. Outside of those primary truths, the Bible gives liberty in deciding 3rd and 4th level layers of truth: such as how a church service runs or disputes about infant baptism. Therein is the plethora of denominations.
thepaulblog 1 month ago
@thepaulblog, I have met Catholics, Baptists, Mormons, Jehovah’s witnesses who were all serious about their belief in Christ. But none of those denominations will state that the others are 'real' Christians.
Heteblixem 1 month ago
@Heteblixem ummm, that's because they have radically different interpretations of core Christian beliefs.........very simple really.
thepaulblog 1 month ago
@thepaulblog, History shows Christians disagree on almost everything, there are reported to be over 38,000 Christian denominations. All over the world, Christians are gathered together singing "They'll Know We Are Christians by Our Love"—in separate groups, of course, since each group finds it impossible to fellowship with the others. Praise the lord and pass the ammunition. Ever been to Ulster?
Heteblixem 1 month ago
@Heteblixem We addressed the denominations. See previous post. Agree to core beliefs = Christian. Beyond core beliefs are within acceptable realm of Christian disagreement. What you seem to have is an epistemelogical dilemma, not necessarily limited to Christians. In just about every belief system or worldview (atheism included) there are varying sub-groups, so that in itself proves nothing.
thepaulblog 1 month ago
@thepaulblog, You would think that if the christians weren't taking the bible in and out of context all the time, they would eventually end up with one sect.
Heteblixem 1 month ago
@Heteblixem and perhaps if atheists didnt either, there would be more Christians :)
thepaulblog 1 month ago
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@thepaulblog I’m sure some will write me off as someone who was never really a “true” Christian. I've seen Christians at Atheist forums telling each other they're not true Christians. They all appear to believe they are the true Christian, and everyone who views it differently isn't reading the Bible correctly. The hardest part about becoming an Atheist is admitting to yourself that you have been shamelessly duped...
Heteblixem 1 month ago
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Heteblixem 1 month ago
@Heteblixem,To excuse the atrocious behaviour of the old testament as "of another time and place" is to admit that morals are cultural constructs. But if morals are merely a product of their social context then why would God ascribe to them? Unless he was also a product of that context, perhaps.Far from being evidence of the divine, the Bible is a visibly human document.
Heteblixem 1 month ago
@Heteblixem Because He is a God we are not meant to understand. :) If He was human, he would follow logical human thinking. If He followed human expectations, He would have angels writing the truths of the Bible in fireworks or something like that to satisfy what we think an awe-inspiring deity would do to prove that He is what He is...But as I said, He is God. We are not. Mull over that. please :)
photoelectricPhotos 1 day ago
@photoelectricPhotos,"Because He is a God we are not meant to understand. :) "
If it is true that God's thoughts are so much higher than ours that we cannot hope to understand them, then how can anyone know what he is really like or what he does or does not want? Ironically, the very same people who claim that human beings cannot understand God's ways almost inevitably go on to add, either implicitly or explicitly, "But I know what God wants us to do!"
Heteblixem 15 hours ago
@Heteblixem And the behaviour of the Old Testament is not something Christians are just supposed to ignore or forget. The emphasis of the Bible is on the fact that by Jesus's sacrifice on the Cross, every sin done in the past (Old Testament..hey if you wanna go further back, it still applies) and every sin that WILL be committed has been forgiven,
photoelectricPhotos 1 day ago
@Heteblixem (cont.) and we will suffer no punishment if we accept and acknowledge Christ in his role as Saviour, the one who gave up himself so we could be free of the punishment.
photoelectricPhotos 1 day ago
@photoelectricPhotos,so, god had to sacrifice himself to himself to save us from himself? anyone who seriously threatens eternal torture for any reason cannot be called good or moral or loving or just in any sense.If what you’re saying is correct, Jesus hardly made the greatest sacrifice. He knew he would be resurrected anyway.
Heteblixem 20 hours ago
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DMatthewHenry 1 month ago
@Heteblixem You are just picking words out of these versus... Not actually reading the whole meaning of the verse. Try reading more than just one verse and I'm sure it will make more sense.
billsrock624 1 month ago
@billsrock624, I am doing nothing more (or less) than you were doing; I am taking a verse and quoting it back to you. .My quoting is no more or less valid than your method. "And don't try that 'I'm a true believer' crap, either. I don't recall in the bible where god gives you special permission to quote a verse here and there and disallows anyone else that same privilege."
Heteblixem 1 month ago
@Heteblixem no, you take one verse and bring it out of context, because in your context it can sound stupid or however you want it to sound. If you studied the verses, you find the actual meaning is far different. On all verses, not just complex ones.
Goabnb94 1 month ago
@Goabnb94,If a man beats his male or female slave with a rod and the slave dies as a direct result, he must be punished, but he is not to be punished if the slave gets up after a day or two, since the slave is his property. Exodus 21:20-21 Do you think you could explain how this is taken out of context?
Heteblixem 1 month ago
@Heteblixem Fisrt off, you have done what everybody does and quote the old laws. Slavery was common in that time, as the slaves could become property of their master or die because they were poor. Remember this is like 5000 years ago, and many old laws (which were made for the isralites) do not apply for todays society because of Jesus' death. A slave is still a human, and as God says don not murder, the master shall be punished for his murder.
Goabnb94 1 month ago
@Goabnb94,"""" Remember this is like 5000 years ago, and many old laws (which were made for the isralites) do not apply for todays society because of Jesus' death.""
Are you saying your God you hope exist made a mistake and wrong in creating those laws ?
Heteblixem 1 month ago
@Heteblixem No, I'm saying most of those laws were not made for us. Different era, different people, different laws.
Goabnb94 1 month ago
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@Heteblixem No, I'm saying most of those laws were not made for us. Different era, different people, different laws.
Goabnb94 1 month ago
@Heteblixem God that I know exists with all my heart. I don't believe, I know.
Goabnb94 1 month ago
@Goabnb94, Other religions also feel their god working in their lives or feel his presence.Because if they didn't then you would know its false, for example a billion muslims cannot all have a "placebo effect" and must feel or attain something otherwise they would just drop the religion all together if they see nothing happening and that it was all false? Does that prove their God is the right one?
Heteblixem 1 month ago
@Heteblixem Demons act as other entitys. They can act as a God, and so people believe them. Doesn't make their God, who would like to see them all dead, a God. Demons also act as the spirits of dead people, who do you think physics talk to? They can be very believable, because they know the truth and they feed you truth mixed with believable lies.
1000Bazinga 1 month ago
@1000Bazinga Why do I have this username all of a sudden? This is not my username.
Goabnb94 1 month ago
@Heteblixem Under the same laws, slaves were to be released after 7 years, however, as most liked their masters and would still be poor on their own, most stayed. Remember, slavery was different then than it was today. Slavery was the escaping from death, as there was no social welfare from the government in those days. So, if the master kills a slave, it is murder, and shall be punished equally.
Goabnb94 1 month ago
@Goabnb94 "" Under the same laws, slaves were to be released after 7 years""
God loves slavery ; Slaves, obey in everything those who are your earthly masters, not with eyeservice, as men-pleasers, but in singleness of heart, fearing the Lord. Whatever your task, work heartily... Not only does God condone slavery, but he is also completely comfortable with the concept of beating your slaves, as long as you don't kill them.
Heteblixem 1 month ago
@Heteblixem Because slaves were treated well in those days. They often ate at the same table with the same food as their masters. I don't think God condones slavery. I can't give you all the answers, I don't know them all.
Goabnb94 1 month ago
@Goabnb94, I think that owning people as slaves is immoral ! You would never think that owning people as slaves is immoral if you rely on the Bible or the Koran as your source of morality.
Heteblixem 1 month ago
@Heteblixem Being a slave meant you were well treated. Sure there were jobs to do, such as harvest fields and cook wash and wash up, but we do these today and they are not life threatning or pointless. They were very well treated and had the option of being released after seven years, and being a slave meant avoiding death by being poor. If avoiding death is immoral, then fine, slavery (from those days) is immoral.
1000Bazinga 1 month ago
@1000Bazinga," Being a slave meant you were well treated. "
All according to ancient fables..
Heteblixem 1 month ago
@Heteblixem If being respected by your master, and living in the same house and using the same supplies isn't well treated, then fine, believe what you want to believe. You can't say for certain that it didn't happen like this because you were not there.
Goabnb94 1 month ago
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@Goabnb94 "You can't say for certain that it didn't happen like this because you were not there." Were you there? If God were just, he would have scorned slavery in all its forms and severely punished anyone who claimed to own another.
Heteblixem 1 month ago
@Heteblixem Now, there are probably much more hidden in that verse that people have discovered, but this verse is essentially just talking about murder fullstop. But his is a 'straightforward' verse, rather than a 'complex' verse, which has no literall meaning when first read.
Goabnb94 1 month ago
@billsrock624, It basically goes like this. If a Bible verse sounds good to me, and I want to believe it, then you can take it as it is. If a Bible verse sounds ridiculous or outrageous, or contradicts scientific knowledge, or if I just don't want it to be true, then it's either metaphorical or you have to look at the "context."
Heteblixem 1 month ago
@Heteblixem Read Genesis 3:17 and tell me my Lord and Savior is sexist. Great video! I love Jesus!
billsrock624 1 month ago
@billsrock624, If you are going to quote scripture don't forget all the "righteous" commands in Deuteronomy 22:28 Rape victim must marry rapist; rape victim's father compensated for depreciation of his property. Genesis12:13-19 Abraham prostitutes wife. Exodus 21:7-11 OK to sell daughters. Female slaves can be used for sex. Leviticus21:9 Burn daughters. Numbers 31:17-18 Kill all except virgins. Keep virgins for yourselves.
Heteblixem 1 month ago
Awesome video man of God! Awesome!
MyLittleMannyBoy 1 month ago
Love this! If you have ever lied, taken something that wasn't yours, used God's name in vain, been jealous/envied someone or hated someone then you have broken God's holy law (The ten commandments) and will have to face God on judgement day. God sees you as a criminal who deserves Hell.God commands all men to REPENT (turn from sin) and trust in Christ, and you will be made right with God and saved from punishment to come. You broke His law and Jesus paid your fine because He LOVES US.
lifesemotion 2 months ago
@OX44LIFE We have no excuse to not know or see God, now that you have seen this too. The only thing I or we can do now is pray without ceasing and not faint. I need the grace of God and so do you.
TrueWord66 2 months ago
no matter how hard people try, christianity isnt cool... or right
OX44LIFE 2 months ago
@OX44LIFE then what is your definition of "cool" or "right"? It doesnt matter if doing what's right is cool or not. Who cares what others think of what work we do if it's a "cool" thing to do? So long as we Christians do what God asks and we strive all our lives to follow His will and obey His commandments, then we don't care what the world thinks about us or how they view us; if God approves of us, then that's all we need.
Oogleporf 2 months ago
@Oogleporf If your very own brother, or you son or your wife secretly entices you to worship other gods Show him no pity .. Stone him to death." Don't forget to stone your son when he is rebellious & will not obey you (Deut 21- 8) & so on. If you followed the bible to the letter you would killing allot of people in the name of god.
Heteblixem 2 months ago 12
@Heteblixem Sadly here you reveal your limited knowledge in Christianity. Christians do not follow or preach Old Testament laws as the Jews did.
thepaulblog 1 month ago
@Heteblixem I also believe that, from culture, we are unfamiliar with dealing with spiritual & moral absolutes. "Truth is relative" is a phrase common in the U.S. However, God is very clear & unwavering in what truth is - it is what He deems it to be. His nature is holy, therefore He is perfect in His actions & motives. In our pride, we attempt to challenge God to compromise His very nature, attempting to justify our flawed perceptions . God should be adhered to. Jesus bridged the gap, saving us
guttamoneymay 5 months ago
@Heteblixem I also believe that, from culture, we are unfamiliar with dealing with spiritual & moral absolutes. "Truth is relative" is a phrase common in the U.S. However, God is very clear & unwavering in what truth is - it is what He deems it to be. His nature is holy, therefore He is perfect in His actions & motives. In our pride, we attempt to challenge God to compromise His very nature, attempting to justify our flawed perceptions . God should be adhered to. Jesus bridged the gap, saving us
guttamoneymay 5 months ago
@Heteblixem We weren't meant to die, because of sin we face that consequence. The grace of God allows us to be forgiven, that there can be a restoration of intimacy with Him. Since God is not imposing, He offers us a choice: choose the wondrous blessing of having a relationship with Him, or continue in our sin & receive the punishment for that course - total separation from Him. God is uncompromisingly holy, so sin CANNOT enter His presence. Thanks be to God for reconciliation in Jesus Christ!
guttamoneymay 5 months ago
@Heteblixem I saw your comments, and realize that this debate was a few months ago, but wanted to share something with you that I don't think was emphasized in the previous discussion. God loves all mankind, necessitating the need for reconciliation to Himself - that as Jesus Christ. Due to the sinfulness of mankind - a lack of adherence to the moral code & conduct, all are under the punishment of utter separation from Him. Hell was never intended for humans, continued in second part of comment
guttamoneymay 5 months ago
Does anyone know the doctrine that Propaganda adheres to? I enjoyed this video but there was a part that made me wonder if he believes in the oneness theology or he believes in the Triune God (the Trinity). It's at the section 3:45. "God sent Himself as Jesus". That suggests Oneness theology and not the Trinity (God sent His Son, John 3:16). I don't want to start a theological debate here. I'd just like an answer to my question. Thank you.
NatalienGracia 8 months ago
@NatalienGracia He is as one God as He is three. Dont try to understand it unless u hav infinite knowledge that ud like to share. lol and i know people will be sayin that that's just a Christian way of excusing science and 'impossibility'. But, if we knew everything, wouldnt we be God too? Theres gotta be mystery in there somewhere.
82890song 1 month ago
@82890song I don't even know what you are getting at. Just a simple answer to my question would have sufficed. But don't worry, I got the answer to my question. Propaganda does adhere to correct doctrine on the Trinity and not the false Oneness doctrine.
NatalienGracia 1 month ago
@ heteblixem; God is the Alpha and Omega and they do not regret anything for they are perfect. What might be perceived as that comes only from your mind which is in Likeness to Gods but you'll never be able to understand God fully. If you bear many children and one of them grows up and threatens to kill your family would you regret it? God gave us a free agent... Genesis
zenchi420 8 months ago
@zenchi420 - How do you know ? Because it's written by the same people that believed the Earth was flat and the center of the Universe? Written in the same book that said the Moon emits light when all it does is reflect it from the Sun? Ah but written from the book of Job 26:7. JOB, the guy who your god u hope exist bet the devil he can murder his family, destroy his land, take his money, and physical torture him to prove he will still love him ?
Heteblixem 8 months ago
@Heteblixem If I sinned against my classmate what should be my punishment?, how about against the principal?, how about against the president?
but no, you ultimately sinned against an Infinite God! God created us upright! Satan's wiles from the beginning is to make sin "not serious" that what he did to Adam and Eve, yet God is loving, He is patient come to him humbly, Repent! for the glory of God! You don't know the agonies Jesus suffered for humanity's sake!
joliboy11 2 months ago
@joliboy11- """" You don't know the agonies Jesus suffered for humanity's sake! ""
That was his choice. He could of just given us eternal life based on our behavior, without the sacrificial nonsense. Just like the flood - if he wanted to start life again, why not just do it without the silly ark thing?
Why didn't he just create a new Adam and Eve?
Heteblixem 2 months ago 48
@Heteblixem If you want eternal life based on you, you must (without fail) obey the 10 Commandments. Since the rest of us couldn't do that, some have chosen to put faith in what Jesus did. Your last question- he wanted Adam and Eve (and us) redeemed because he loved us so.
SerpentStomper 2 months ago
@SerpentStomper The Abrahamic god permits natural disasters and human evil. The stories documenting the malicious nature of this god are plentiful. Where is the evidence that this god possesses even a tiny bit of love? He sacrificed HIMSELF to HIMSELF in order to forgive us for our disobedience you say? Its just so dang funny...and sad that people will gladly carry this fear of eternal torment while warping and twisting it into...love. ?
Heteblixem 2 months ago
@Heteblixem Well all I can say is I don't fear. I've had an encounter with God and I only felt love. There is a reason God seems harsh in the O.T...because He was. Against sin. There was no hope of redemption then because none could yet be born again.
SerpentStomper 2 months ago
@SerpentStomper,It wasn't our fault that Adam and Eve disobeyed God in the Garden of Eden.When all this happened we weren't even born; then how in the hell can we blame ourselves for the screw up? The blame lies with the architect,Your God knew full well exactly what was about to happen.Is your God all knowing, or is he stupid? Did your god have absolutely no idea of what was going to happen to Adam, to Eve.. to ALL humans?
Heteblixem 2 months ago
@Heteblixem He wanted us to choose for ourselves and make r own decision. He created and then allowed us to pick a side. If you were in Adam and Eve's position, you'd do the exact same thing. God gave us everything we needed to be with Him: paradise, warning, and ONE rule. We broke the only rule we had. u can't blame your parents when u do something bad, although they, too, probly knew u'd make them angry 1day, even when u mom was pregnant. u wer punished but whos fault was it? not moms or dads.
82890song 1 month ago
@82890song, I do know the story of Adam and Eve, and I know that your god made them without the knowledge of good and evil, thus they could not know that sinning was evil nor that disobeying god was evil, so your god punished them for not having an understanding he did not give them,In Genesis chapter 3, God punishes Eve, and all women for thousands of years, with greatly increased pain during childbirth. No such pain is inflicted on Adam this makes your God a sexist.
Heteblixem 1 month ago
@Heteblixem He gave them a choice and 1 rule: dont eat of the tree. Disobeying gave them the taste they needed to become 4ever addictd. Man was cursed with the ground. Up until then things grew easily, but afterwards, man would have to work. I'm a woman and I believe that he isnt sexist but greatly increased the pain, implying that there was pain to begin with. In a perfect world where there wuld be no pain, the pain of childbirth in a perfect world would seem enormous, just as it seems today.
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@82890song, "" but afterwards, man would have to work ''''
Women Don't Work As Hard As Men ?
Heteblixem 1 month ago
@82890song, Even a small child is a condemned sinner, eh? Really? Whatever.
Heteblixem 1 month ago
@Heteblixem a sinner because they are human? yes. but no, they aren't condemned because a small child has not yet reached the age that they can decide for themselves. A decision can and will make or break them.
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@SerpentStomper, I would hate to exist forever. All good things must come to an end. Eternal life seems horrible, imagine 100,000,000,000 years and your no where near the end? Free in this life to enjoy the pleasures of a wonderful universe, without all that mumbo-jumbo and worry of what might be in store in an everlasting afterlife.
I have no desire to exist forever.
Heteblixem 2 months ago
@Heteblixem I know its mind-boggling. But remember we are limited by time. It won't seem like years and years in eternity. It will be...constant. Personally I think it will probably be like time is always in the present, no past or future. But there is no way of rationalizing in our minds a lack of time. Our lives on earth are dictated by it.
SerpentStomper 2 months ago
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@SerpentStomper, There are countless examples of god's fury and wrath in the bible. Just because people make mistakes and stray from him, is this really a reason to kill or torture them? Lot's wife was turned to a pillar of salt just because she was curious. Another man was instructed to kill his son as a test of his faith. God destroyed the whole world with a flood except for the chosen pairs of animals and one family....
Pretty sadistic if you ask me.
Heteblixem 2 months ago
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@Heteblixem I'd sure like to know where you are getting your information about what God could have done. I think it's utterly absurd for you to believe that Christ would have suffered humiliation, beatings and crucifixion for us if there were another way, especially one as easy as you have postulated.
Also, Satan quoted the Bible to Christ, but took it out of context and Christ rebuked him by quoting it properly. So yes, the Bible does show that not just anyone can quote the Bible.
DMatthewHenry 1 month ago
@Heteblixem See, you clearly have not read the bible. Satan CHALLENGED God, not the other way round. Satan said to God that Job only gives his life to God because God has blessed him. God gave satan the power to do what he wanted to Job, except kill him, to see his reaction. But, he still followed God. All this is quite obvious in the first 3 chapters of Job.
Goabnb94 1 month ago
@Goabnb94, I was raised Christian :) I can assure you, I've read the bible quite well. I've read the quran, and the hadith, as well as many other religious texts.Claims of "not understanding"the bible is a personal attack you must use because you've no other defense.Do you believe you are on a higher knowledge about religion just because I choose not to believe?
Heteblixem 1 month ago
@Heteblixem When I see you quoting verse and parts of the bible incorrectly, what can I then assume? That you've read it? How does that make sense?
Goabnb94 1 month ago
@Goabnb94, """"God gave satan the power to do what he wanted to Job, except kill him, to see his reaction.""""
So what is the moral of the story? That if you are faithful, God will double what you have. Oh, and if you’re faithful, God will destroy one of your homes, kill your children, kill your animals, kill your servants, and strike you with sores and boils from head to toe, so he can tell Satan, “Told you so!” What an ego!
Heteblixem 1 month ago
@Heteblixem The moral is that followers of God don't have to be blessed with wealth to have faith. I think God, who is perfect, as opposed to us sinners has the right to take the same life He gave. I don't think He deserves to be judged for doing what He wants with His creation.
Goabnb94 1 month ago
@Goabnb94, All I can go by in determining whether or not the God of the Bible is real is to judge whether or not the actions attributed to him are sane and rational according to my standards. If God cannot meet my standards of how I would expect a rational intelligence to behave, then how can I possibly worship such an entity? If god does exist, I think I’ll stay away from him, if he’s responsible for the things he gets credits for , he’s got to be one mean SOB.
Heteblixem 1 month ago
@Heteblixem said; quote "If God cannot meet my standards of how I would expect a rational intelligence to behave, then how can I possibly worship such an entity? If god does exist, I think I’ll stay away from him..."
Your/my/our standards pale in comparison to the Almighty God's standards. The day you take your last breath & shed your earthly vehicle, you will get your wish & go to a place that has nothing to do with him! Unless of course you change your way of thinking...
CyberCam1969 1 month ago
@Heteblixem ...you & I as mankind can never begin to fathom how God thinks, our little minds couldn't handle it. I'll pray for you, that one day before your last breath, you will come know your purpose on this planet earth & what God has done for you, even though you turn your back on him. In the end you will find out, we all will.
CyberCam1969 1 month ago
@Heteblixem The things He gets credit for, lets see, like sending His only son to earth to suffer and die for our sins even when we didn't deserve it? And now Hes mean? Would you give your first child to suffer and die so that a large number of others could life? I very well doubt that; because I wouldn't want to either. That is selfishness, but don't worry, all humans are selfish. And now you call Him mean, after the love Hes shown us?
1000Bazinga 1 month ago
@1000Bazinga, If what you’re saying is correct, Jesus hardly made the greatest sacrifice. He knew he would be resurrected anyway.
Heteblixem 1 month ago
@Heteblixem But He was perfect and didn't need to die for us, but He wanted to.
Goabnb94 1 month ago
@Goabnb94,So this deity sends his own son, who was his own father, to be tortured and killed in order to satisfy His demand for punishment and redemption. He sacrificed himself to himself. And you call that “perfect”? It sounds more like the perverse manipulations of a celestial narcissist who is obviously a control freak.
Heteblixem 1 month ago
@Heteblixem Us sinners should have taken His place, with the torture and death. For God loved us, He gave us His son to take our place up there. He took all our sins upon Him so that all of us could be saved. Only a perfect sacrifice could save us - because a sacrifice is an innocent being dying to atone a sinner. So, I call Jesus perfect.
I pray that you'll find God before its too late. You clearly have a lot to learn. I don't mean to sound Judgemental, because I am the same.
Goabnb94 1 month ago
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@Goabnb94,"I pray that you'll find God before its too late. " okay, you understand that you're obedient to your god because you're scared of him.
Heteblixem 1 month ago
LEGIT!
qwert2748 8 months ago
this is amazing. Praise God!
nickislol 8 months ago
@lowbudgetstudioslbs Have you ever asked yourself why you believe this and if you care whether your beliefs are true? I did, that's how I became an Atheist. You pray for me. I'll think for you. may God b less !
Heteblixem 8 months ago
@lowbudgetstudioslbs `´´´´ Yes it says that, but then it fixes it later.´´´´ Are you saying your God you hope exist made a mistake in creating those laws ?A truly omniscient being doesn't change his mind, have regrets over his actions or contradict himself about never changing his mind. To threaten to do one thing and then relent or repent of evil is to change your mind. Please read Exodus 32:14, 1Samuel 15:11 & 1Samuel 15:29.
Heteblixem 8 months ago
Preach it bro! Hallelujah!
Rebekkah27 9 months ago
How do i get a copy of this on my iPod? Do i have to pay something? And where do i get a copy for my iPod. I'd really love to do a dance to this and maybe even translate it into ASL for Deaf people.
Rebekkah27 9 months ago
How do i get a copy of this on my iPod? Do i have to pay something? And where do i get a copy for my iPod. I'd really love to do a dance to this and maybe even tranlate it into ASL for Deaf people.
Rebekkah27 9 months ago
Heteblexium, do you discipline your kids if you have any? And does discipline comes with punishment if the kids dis obey?
Or do you accept any thing that comes out of a kid's behaviour?
donshishkebab 9 months ago
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Heteblixem 8 months ago
@donshishkebab If some being is going to punish people for a very short time of life in which they didnt bow to him. He isnt worthy of anything. I dont think 50-70 years of living life is enough to say you didnt have faith or didnt believe properly, so I am going to punish you for billions of years. I call that over kill. That would be like punishing your child for his whole life because of a one second booboo.Eternal Hell for finite sins? Are you kidding me?!
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@Heteblixem Mate, I think you're standing from the wrong rock... So you would ask is the Glass half Empty or Half full? He Created Adam & Eve, we are the by Product of it. God desired a relationship, as I would in having a spouse or chilling with Friends. Im sure you have that. But If we cut off that desire, we'd be left alone. in this case Death is something that is inevitable. BUt Jesus Made a way for us to be redeemed. If you choose to deny it, thats your entirely your choice.-
donshishkebab 8 months ago
@donshishkebab How can you possibly deem something free when you must fear consequences? That completely conflicts with the definition of free. Its just so dang funny...and sad that people will gladly carry this fear of eternal torment while warping and twisting it into...love. o.O???
Heteblixem 8 months ago
@Heteblixem Don't fear the consequences... its mere cause and effect. You step out on a moving traffic expect to get run over. It's inevitable, given a long enough time line you will die; However, Jesus died for You, & Me, to believe in Him is to have eternal life.
Free- To have Eternal life. it is free.
Visualise this, You fell in a river being washed down stream, or I throw you a life line. Its free, All you need to do is hang on to the rope. Yes. Its Free. Do you want it?
donshishkebab 8 months ago
@donshishkebab - again If there is free will, then why all the punishment if you won't believe? The only function of the free will in the bible is to devote your life voluntarily to the whims of the deity in charge, or burn. Looks a lot like the kind of freedom the mafia offers her clients,
Heteblixem 8 months ago
@Heteblixem God=all the goodness in the world. You do have free will. You can choose God, which is everything good, or not, which is everything not good. Eternal separation from everything good would result in the exact opposite. BUT forcing you to believe in God and living in Heaven with a God you don't believe in would be even worse. It would be bending your free will, and He doesn't want that. In everything, good and bad is all there is. War:Peace, All:None. There is no in-between.
82890song 1 month ago
@82890song, In order to have freewill a person must have a selection of choices that are not influenced by external sources or divine will. According to mainstream Christianity; a person really only has TWO choices. Accept Jesus Christ as their savior, and go to Heaven; or reject Him, and go to Hell.
As soon as a force starts to tamper with a person's choice, then that person's will is no longer free.
Heteblixem 1 month ago
@Heteblixem no one is holding you back from choosing one way or the other. Divine will isnt tampering at all, and if theres tampering i dont know about, it would be no more than the world is. Peer pressure for drugs, killing for money. God is everything good and nothing can be good without Him. With or without Him, your choice is not His fault. Is there something forcing you to choose one way or the other?
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@82890song, Again nobody chooses to go to Hell, and that's another area where the freewill doctrine falls flat on it's face. According to mainstream Christianity; a person really only has two choices. Or, accept Christ and be happy for eternity; or reject Christ and be absolutely miserable for all eternity- that's not much of a choice is it.
p.s. I am law abiding , have never done drugs ( apart from prescribed ones) or cigarettes and I never drank alcohol. :}
Heteblixem 1 month ago
@Heteblixem You're law abiding are you? Familiar with the ten commandments? You ever look lustfully at someone who wasn't your spouse? You're an adulterer. You ever taken anything without asking? You're a thief. You ever told a lie, even a white one? You're a liar. Have you ever been angry with someone? You're a murderer. Ever disoney your parents? You've failed to honor them. You certainly don't honor God. Just one of these means you haven't met God's standard. You look pretty guilty from here.
DMatthewHenry 1 month ago
@DMatthewHenry .Eternal Hell for finite sins? Are you kidding me?!
Heteblixem 1 month ago
@DMatthewHenry, The first 4 commandments are all about this god insecurity. Your 'loving' God,whom I presume is the God of the Bible,is a figment of your imagination,but as depicted in the Bible he is a mass-murdering,slavery-endorsing,child-killing and abusing,evil monster,and as a decent thoughtful moral person I would want nothing to do with him.
Heteblixem 1 month ago
@Heteblixem Then clearly you have not read the bible
Goabnb94 1 month ago
@DMatthewHenry,Why isn't there a commandment "thou shalt not rape"?
Heteblixem 1 month ago
@82890song, Morals are not taught in the bible, obedience is To abdicate your conscience to a religion is to deny your responsibility to your humanity.
Heteblixem 1 month ago
@Heteblixem "Morals are not taught in the bible, obedience is:" rightly spoken.
thepaulblog 1 month ago
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@thepaulblog ''"Morals are not taught in the bible, obedience is:" rightly spoken.''''
God is immoral
Heteblixem 1 month ago
@donshishkebab - The voluntary entry argument doesn’t make sense. The same argument could be used to justify the sending of Aryan opponents of Nazism to concentration camps: they voluntarily chose not to give homage to Hitler, so they chose to be interred. Why should we blame the Nazis for the inmates’ choice? Why should we blame God for the choice of the damned?" ?
Heteblixem 8 months ago
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@Heteblixem Hey mate, are here just to Argue or are just wasting my time? as said. if you want to email me by All means- donkebabi@hotmail.com do you think you are perfect in all form of your life? do you believe you will die given a long enough timeline? Do you believe you have a soul?
donshishkebab 8 months ago
@Heteblixem "The voluntary entry argument doesn’t make sense." Again, rightly spoken.
thepaulblog 1 month ago
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@Heteblixem . BUT it is not God's will that you should perish. It's like a meal that's been cooked and ready to be consumed. You just take it with gratefulness cause you desire so. If you're not hungry you just don't eat it. Simple yes? feel free to email me if you like- donkebabi@hotmail.com
donshishkebab 8 months ago
@Heteblixem - This period is a period of Grace dude. The Law has been accomplished by Christ (Jesus) forgiveness. So Your sins has been forgiven. But would you accept His Free Gift of Life?
So We are all pardoned. Do you still desire judgement upon yourself? Jesus came to Give life & life abundantly-
donshishkebab 8 months ago
@Heteblixem Everything is either wrong or right, yes or no, good or bad. We have free will, but as a race we chose not to be with God. God=all good. anything apart from that is all bad. By choosing not to be with God, we chose everything bad. God gives us what we ask for. It would be far worse if God bent our free will and forced us to love Him and serve Him. We chose which side to be on thru r actions. When you die, u go to the side you chose to be on.
82890song 1 month ago
@82890song, If I were to hold a gun to your head and say “you have free will to not give me your wallet, but if you attempt to defy me I will kill you.” Does it really feel as if you have a choice in the matter?
Heteblixem 1 month ago
@Heteblixem God doesn't hold a gun to your head. He says 'do what you want, but I am here if you want me.'
Goabnb94 1 month ago
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@Goabnb94, God doesn't hold a gun to your head. He says 'do what you want, but I am here if you want me.'
God said: I gave you free will to make your own decisions. If you make the wrong ones, I will send you to hell.- that's not much of a choice is it :)
Heteblixem 1 month ago
@Heteblixem Your comment only makes sense if God were finite and not limitless perfection. Any sin against an infinitely holy God requires an infinite punishment. If you kill a regular person, you may get 20 years in jail. If you kill a cop, you'll get life. If you kill the pres_dent, you'll get the death penalty. Penalties always increase as the worth or office of a person increases. With God, the reciprocal is infinite; therefore, an eternity in hell is justified.
thepaulblog 1 month ago
@thepaulblog, That’s wrong. And if your religion tells you it’s right, your religion is wrong too. The lengths people go to bend over backwards so as to accept an immoral God....its beyond words really
Heteblixem 1 month ago
@Heteblixem Why is it wrong? Justice always demands punishment. You mentioned a "rape commandment." If you were raped, would you not want justice?
thepaulblog 1 month ago
@thepaulblog, There's a part in the bible that says if a man rapes a girl all he has to do is pay the girls father and that girl will become the rapist wife. if your a true christian then tell what is metaphorical about this.
Heteblixem 1 month ago
@thepaulblog, Does anyone deserve eternal torture?
Heteblixem 1 month ago
@Heteblixem Eternal torture? No. Eternal punishment? Yes. The thing you also have to see is that people who end up in hell would rather be there than in God's presence anyway. They hate God and want nothing to do with Him (denying His existence, cursing His laws, mocking His judgments, ridiculing His followers), so they would despise a heaven with Him in it anyway.
thepaulblog 1 month ago
@thepaulblog,""""Eternal torture? No. Eternal punishment? Yes""""
even if your idiotic argument were true, atheists would hate God in the same way you hate Apollo, Horus, Thor or any other god you dont worship. You cannot say you hate something that you believe doesn't exist. I have a problem with those who claim that a personal, hell-fire god exists and that he, as the ultimate authority, has the right to destroy us all at will, because we are unworthy and don't deserve to live.
Heteblixem 1 month ago
@Heteblixem whether you admit it or not, there is a difference between torture and punishment, so your argument is nill there (as is your incessant ad hominem). But your whole logic proves my point: you won't want to be with this "hell-fire" God anyway, so hell would be your choice anyway. And, even with an evolutionary worldview, you don't deserve to live, soooo...
thepaulblog 1 month ago
@thepaulblog, Just make sure you've picked the right god. Otherwise you'll end up in Islam’s hell.:)
Heteblixem 1 month ago
@Heteblixem Thanks for the tip on making sure to avoid Islam's hell :) You just try not to evolve into a super ape or something.
thepaulblog 1 month ago
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@thepaulblog, "You just try not to evolve into a super ape or something."
You know you’re a Creationist when you keep ‘forgetting’ to produce that evidence for your god you boast about having.
Heteblixem 1 month ago
@thepaulblog,You don't catch on very quickly do you, I'm an atheist, I do not believe in god, the devil, hell or any of the other claptrap you base your daily life around.
Heteblixem 1 month ago
@Heteblixem You sure do argue alot over something you don't believe in, so much so, it seems you do base at least some of your life around God afterall.
thepaulblog 1 month ago