PSALM 2 7 I will proclaim the LORD YHWH’s decree:He said to me, “You are my son;today I have become your father.8 Ask me,and I will make the nations your inheritance, the ends of the earth your possession.9 You will break them with a rod of iron;you will dash them to pieces like pottery.” 12 Kiss his son, or he will be angry and your way will lead to your destruction, for his wrath can flare up in a moment. Blessed are all who take refuge in him.
1 TIMOTHY 3,16And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory. JOHN 3,16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.17For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
What happen to part two, or didn't the debate go very well for one of them, I'm guessing Shabbir bcz this was uploaded by one of his followers. Folks its simple, u can look at it how ever u want, the Koran dose say to kill Christians/Jews why not just be honest about it like many of the Muslims who admit it, and if it truly is the word of your god, then what do u think he will say to u when he see's u, probably call u coward and also kill u for trying to change his word in the Koran.
I can never understand why you theists, why you argue among yourselves concerning which of your myth world views might contain truth. You insult each other like uncivilized, sophomoric, ravaging dogs, who have no empathy for each other. Is this what your God(s) have commanded you to be like? You Christians and Muslims, here on this page, you are nothing but intellectual layman.
@jordan7787 Shabir is a true legend, he kicked soo many christian fools on the ass. Notice how there are no debates against the jews, I guess they are bloody cowards, their Rabbis are hate preachers
Why have the so called 'christians' that are evangelicals surrendered to the jews. Wake up fools, the zionists have messed around with your bible period
These guy needs to get an educational ass kicking by Dr Zakir Naik. Christians are very confused in death of their 'god' and the weird trinity. Are they shit at maths or what? The divinity;1+1+1=3 not 1, 5 year olds know that
BS! Muhammad violent SINFUL dead Murderer! Islam/Quran is corrupt! Jesus/Healed/Blessed/Peace/Salvation/GOD! All MUSLIMS who converted to Christianity ARE HAPPY & FREE OF ABUSE & MISERY Islam leaders are killing you! Christians LOVE YOU! PLEASE accept JESUS CHRIST as your SAVIOR John 3:16 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him! REBEL & ACCEPT JESUS! Be FREE of ISLAM LIES Visit cbn.com /radio
@KingDcome11 You REALLY got it wrong. Please, look at some of Yusuf Estes's videos here on youtube. Do your research PROPALLY before saying something as wrong as that about my relegion. Remember that arabic is a hard language. You have to get deeply into the language to understand COMLETELY what the Koran says, because a lot of words that are used in the original Koran (arabic) doesn't exist in english. Please, check out some YUSUF ESTES videos, and get deeply into islam, BEFORE saying that.
@RoyalBengalTiger... Obviously u thnk ur Mr-know-it-all!! Muhammad (pbuh) died a natural death on the lap of the women u claimed posioned him. This is what Shia sect in islam fabricated against Ayesha (ra). It is only due to Allah (swt) grace that u have a mouth & u use it to slander him & his messenger (pbuh)... You will be punished accordingly. Only if u could see wot ppl like you are goin through in thier grave
@azi82 Make dua for his hydiat. I am an ex christian and I can tell you that they will not come on to hydiat until and only until, Allah swt gives their heart the command, then and only then, will they become muslims...
Muslims! Muslims! if you see falsehood start judging and forbidding it and speaking against it dont say lets love and not judge say lets love in lawful way so speak against haram its your duty even to your family members who do haram say bro this is haram. and then leave dont go with the flow change the flow and make the flow halal.
Allah is great we should love each other and not judge bc He is the best of judges so please think before you speak bc your being judged for everything you do no matter what religion you follow.God bless
@feargodonly19 Allah is great we should love each other and not judge -- You people are living under biggest possible illustion. There is no doubts, this evil illusion has brought uncounted miseries to the world and whole world is sivering under weight of this evil called Islam. There is nothing like Allah and this whole story is made by a very sick minded person called Mohamed. God never speaks like what is written in Quran. Such can be the words of evil only.
@RoyaleBengalTiger listen you ignorant fool, where are you getting your information from? you imbecile, when did mohammed(pbuh) die due to poisoning, do not speak of that which you have no knowledge of. If you want to have an educated and proper discussion I can enlighten you on thos aspects of Islam which you clearly have no knowledge or misinformation of. But do everyone a favour and until you know the facts do not use your uneducated fingers to type the things you type.
No, prophets are not a flawed concept; there were authentic God commissioned prophets whose actions, deed, and truths are recorded in the Hebrew scriptures. However, the teachings of Muhammad are not consistent with the teachings of Islam and appear to lack any credibility. Also, there is NO SUCH THING as divine persons aside from the one true revealed God of all Creation. Thanks for commenting,
No, prophets are not a flawed concept; there were authentic God commissioned prophets whose actions, deed, and truths are recorded in the Hebrew scriptures. However, the teachings of Muhammad are not consistent with the teachings of Islam and appear to lack any credibility. Also, there is NO SUCH THING as divine persons aside from the one true revealed God of all Creation. Thanks for commenting,
@shieldsff Also, there is NO SUCH THING as divine persons aside from the one true revealed God of all Creation-- When I used divine person, then I meant for a person of high spiritual experience and devotion who has realized truth. Such people can come from varied sphere, but there is no doubt in knowing that such people are free from lust, ego, greed and anger and they are the purest of heart among humans. I don't see Mohamed stand anywhere close to that definition.
@shieldsff prophets are not a flawed concept; there were authentic God commissioned prophets whose actions, deed-- I would not want to extend debate on that, though I have great reservation in accepting such thing as God selects one person to deliver some messages and many people try to make a religious empire based on such laws. If God is there, then he never have such urgency to do such things. God can deliver message in much better way.
@RoyaleBengalTiger The problem with you guys is that you don't actually read the Quran for yourselves, but actually just look for things found on google or present things out of context. Meh you're only harming yourselves, end of the day the verse; "kill them wherever you find them" has already been explained like a million times, but ppl like you will continue to ignore the verse after and before it.
@MuBa21 All I can say is May you be given Mercy--Keep your mercy with you evil minded. Even the with of an evil is not more than evil, snake no matter if he bites will love will only kill. You are one among those man eaters whose hands are wet with blood of millions. You must remember, you people will end the way you rise because blood knows its end, blood ends with blood. sooner or later crusades will start all over the world.
@RoyaleBengalTiger "You are one among those man eaters whose hands are wet with blood of millions. You must remember, you people will end the way you rise because blood knows its end, blood ends with blood. sooner or later crusades will start all over the world." -
@MuBa21 The problem with you guys is that you don't actually read the Quran for yourselves, -- Its out to everyone, and for your kind information almost all read the evils of Quran. But its suggestion for you, try to read the scriptures of other religions and then you will know why quran is evil.
@RoyaleBengalTiger "Its out to everyone, and for your kind information almost all read the evils of Quran. But its suggestion for you, try to read the scriptures of other religions and then you will know why quran is evil. " - Says the person who thinks a "Muslim" can have up to 10 wives and then blames Islam for it lol. Such simple things like this shows you have little to no credentials in your knowledge about Islam.
@MuBa21 Says the person who thinks a "Muslim" can have up to 10 wives and then blames Islam for it lol. Such simple things like this shows you have little to no credentials in your knowledge about Islam-- No its shows the mental state of the followers of an evil religion. All muslims are following the acts their prophet, who was involved in such acts of distributing women as war booty, raping women and looting money.
@MuBa21 Says the person who thinks a "Muslim" can have up to 10 wives and then blames Islam for it lol.-- its not about marrying, muslims raped all women and then sold into the slave markets, the worst ever evil act possible. Muslims display the most evil in every conquest by targeting women specially. The way women were targetted by muslims is unprecendented in human histroy. So called Islamic era was actually the hell for non-muslims and the shear presentation of evils by muslims.
@MuBa21 "kill them wherever you find them" has already been explained like a million times, --And each time it will give same meaning, "kill" can never translate to love no matter if you explain it for billion times,
@RoyaleBengalTiger "kill" can never translate to love no matter if you explain it for billion times, " - That's b/c stupid people like you don't know the meaning of "justice."
@MuBa21 "kill" can never translate to love no matter if you explain it for billion times, " - That's b/c stupid people like you don't know the meaning of "justice.-- Yes, I don't know the meaning of evil justice, where an innocent person from other religions are killed only because their so called evil God, allah has told this to do.
@RoyaleBengalTiger Now let's do a bit of trial on your Hinduism shall we? So women can't get any property according to the Vedas:
Women are without energy. They should not get a share in the property. Even to the wicked, they speak in a feeble manner. [Krishna Yajur Veda vi. 5. 8. 2]
A wife has no claim to property of her husband. The wealth that she earns is not her but her husband's. [Manu Smriti Chapter 8, Sholka 416]
@MuBa21 Women are without energy. They should not get a share in the property. Even to the wicked, they speak in a feeble manner. [Krishna Yajur Veda vi. 5. 8. 2]--there is nothing like this, the original text is this". In that he mixes (the cup) for (Tvastr) with the wives with ghee, he overpowers it with a bolt and draws it. ‘Thou art taken with a support’, he says; the support is this (earth); therefore offspring are born on this (earth). ‘Of thee, pressed by Brhaspati ‘, continue
@MuBa21 he says; Brhaspati is the holy power of the gods; verily by the holy power he produces offspring for him. ‘O drop’, he says; the drop is seed; verily thus he impregnates seed. ‘Possessing power’,
Also Manu smriti is independent views of manu and in not way religious obligations for Hindus. Also laws of many smriti was never in practice. There are many independent laws given by many but in no way obligatory by Hindus.
@RoyaleBengalTiger "Also Manu smriti is independent views of manu and in not way religious obligations for Hindus. Also laws of many smriti was never in practice. There are many independent laws given by many but in no way obligatory by Hindus. " - So you don't know your own religion it seems.
"I have described to you above succinctly the source of the Law, as also the origin of this whole world. Learn now the Laws of the social classes." (2.25)
@MuBa21 "I have described to you above succinctly the source of the Law, as also the origin of this whole world. Learn now the Laws of the social classes." (2.25)-- There were many laws given by many scholars manu was one of them. also manu smriti is based upon tthe smriti(memory) and there are few texts which might be corrupted. In Hindusim we are not obliged to follow many social laws, as Hinduism excepts the law of the land at the present time.
@RoyaleBengalTiger "smriti is based upon tthe smriti(memory) and there are few texts which might be corrupted. " - That right there proves the religion is not worth following if there is textual corruption. Thank you for admitting something.
"Hinduism accepts the law of the land at the present time." - So Hindus accept corrupted government that runs India, also known as man made laws. Man made laws are the worst of the worst to follow.
@MuBa21 That right there proves the religion is not worth following if there is textual corruption.--- Only fools like mulsims search religion in text. Hinduism is not a religion folowed by parrots, its based on yoga, the law of karma, and the universal definition of harmony not just among human but among all living creatures, You never get chance to read Hinduism it appears.
@MuBa21 That right there proves the religion is not worth following if there is textual corruption--- People know what text is corrupted as some texts which does not match with univesal and divine revelations, But in all such cases god has given human the sense to organize its society, make progress and make or alter social structures as per the time, God never interferes in day to day affairs of human. There exist the divine law of Karma which every creatures is bounded to.
@MuBa21 In Hinduism every creature contains the same element of life which is 9th form of Lord Vishnu apart from 8 other forms. Not only man and women but all other animals and all other creatures have same element. In this context all hindus knows that whether man or women they all contains similar soul which in turn contains the element of Lord. At other place in Veda it is written" yatra pujyate stiya, tatra basanti devta", Gods have its presence where women are respected.
@MuBa21 So Hindus accept corrupted government that runs India,--- Human has been given the head, brain and intelligence for the purpose that it can establish its society as per the time. There exist the law of karma and the cycle of births where every soul has to pass through. God has given the guidence to do karma and human do their karma, if somebody does bad karma he gets the results of his own karma, God neither gives prize nor punish, soul moves to next body as per his own actions
@MuBa21 "O arjuna, this whole world is bound by the actions, except the actions done as a sacrifice to the Lord, sacrificing all your actions onto the Supreme Lord, without being bounded in it, becomes the reason for the benediction of the doer.(Srimad bhagvat gita, ch3,sh-9)
@MuBa21 O conquere of the wealth(Arjuna) there is nothing superior to me, there is nothing which is eminent than me, As beads are strung on the thread, this whole wolds passes through me. O, Partha know me as the original seed of all beings, I am the intelligence in the intelligent, and dignity of the dignified.(Srimad Bhagvat gita:Ch7, Sh7,10)
@MuBa21 Hindus accept corrupted government-- Corrupt or not, they are the democracy, where every human is given the chance to select its representatives, not like Islamic rule, where few people decide the fate of whole population who are all slaves of few people. Look at the affaris of Muslim dominated countries who are all facing un-ending violence and civil war and then you will have idea what you are talking about. Islam always treated human like slave, earlier and even now.
@MuBa21 social classes based on the four varnas was based on the activities of people later the became hereditary. O Arjuna I have created the fouirfold orders (varnas or castes) according to the modes of action and the modes of their nature. And although I am the creator, you know me yet as a non doer and eternal. (bhagvat gita: ch4sh13). Refer to bhagvat gita for most authentic references and the direct words of God
Also forbidden for you are married women, except those who have fallen in your hands as prisoners of war. This is the order of Allah relating to marriage prohibitions. All women other than these are lawful provided you seek them in marriage with gifts from your property (dowry), desiring chastity and not lust.... (continued)
@MuBa21 except those who have fallen in your hands as prisoners of war.--- Explain the term how a women should fall into somebody as prisomer of war. How there is a God, who orders to put one human(women) in control of other human. Taking women as a prisoner of war is straight example of evil, and yes, this type of logic and statements can be given by human and not God. Human can justify anything correct when he is in control.
@MuBa21 except those who have fallen in your hands as prisoners of war.--- If this is correct, accepting that, US should take all women from Iraq and Afganistan as prisoner of war and distribute among their soldier, after all this order is from so called God and must be followed by everybody. I would like to see how mulsims comment. Bottom line is that your all logic is proving one other evil itself.
@RoyaleBengalTiger (continued) Give them their dowry as an obligation for the benefit you have received from your marriage relationship. However, there is no blame on you if you change the agreement of dowry with mutual consent. Allah is the Knowledgeable, Wise.
@RoyaleBengalTiger You're good friend Manu didn't even give inheritance for a woman: "Soma could not bear being drawn for women; making the ghee a bolt they beat it, they drew it when it had lost its power; therefore women are powerless, have no inheritance, and speak more humbly than even a bad man"
@RoyaleBengalTiger Narendra Modi visited Godhra on the day of the burning of coach S-6 of the Sabarmati Express. His outburst provided the first sign to Sangh workers that the time to corner the Muslims had come. That very night, top BJP and Sangh leaders met at Ahmedabad, Vadodara and Godhra, and gave the green signal for an all-out assault on Muslims across the state
Hey look I can pull current events out of google too about Hindus being evil!
@MuBa21 Narendra Modi visited Godhra on the day of the burning of coach S-6 of the Sabarmati Express.-- 56 Hindu devotees who were returning from pilgrimage were burnt down alive by the muslim at godhra due to some argument or fight between one passenger and some muslim on platform. Narendra Modi was the chief minister and obviously he will visit there. After godhra incident when so many people from majority burnt down alive, society erupted and riot happened.
@MuBa21 Hey look I can pull current events out of google too about Hindus being evil!--- Hindus been targeted by muslims all over the centuries, even in a Hindu majority country like India, mulsim dare to burn a majority community in bulk, already for many years, muslim terrorists keep attacking India and over 100,000 people killed, obviously the whole society is angry due to the evils caused by Islam. Its not in India, such anger is exist every where, in europe, americas against Islam.
@RoyaleBengalTiger More than 80 percent of India's nearly one billion people are Hindus. Muslims form a sizeable minority of around 15 percent, while just 2.5 percent are Christians. Although Hindu fundamentalist leaders have formally denied responsibility for attacks on minority religious communities, their propaganda is characterized by threats of violence. You're good friend from the RRS killed Ghandi in the past, shows how nice Hindus are right?
@MuBa21 Muslims form a sizeable minority of around 15 percent, while just 2.5 percent are Christians.--What are you trying to show from this data? In a Hindu country if the population of other religions are still flourishing then what wrong example does it gives?
@MuBa21 Although Hindu fundamentalist leaders have formally denied responsibility for attacks on minority religious communities,-- India has received thousands of terrorist attacks and not to say all be muslims? India provided shelter to all religions. When jews were slaughtered they got shelter in India. when persian were wiped by muslims, many of them took shelter in India, even now India contains half of the total population of persians in this world.
@RoyaleBengalTiger "hen persian were wiped by muslims, many of them took shelter in India, even now India contains half of the total population of persians in this world. " - Muslims gave shelter to the Jews during Hitler's time. your point?
@MuBa21 Muslims gave shelter to the Jews during Hitler's time. your point?---Really? In which country did they give them the shelter? You are trying to put ice over burnt ashes.
@RoyaleBengalTiger "Really? In which country did they give them the shelter? You are trying to put ice over burnt ashes." - Are you this stupid? Never heard of Besa? Albania? Kosovo? Paris? Benghabrit? This is the reason why I call you and other critics out on taking things out of context. Thank you for exposing yourself.
@MuBa21 Are you this stupid? Never heard of Besa? Albania? Kosovo? Paris? Benghabrit? -- I have no enough source to verify or deny this, I'll find and then i'll tell, Though its well known facts, every single muslims want to finish jews and then keep trying for this all the time. Similar hatred written in hadith about finishing jews.
@MuBa21 You're good friend from the RRS killed Ghandi in the past-- There were few people who were against Gandhi for dividing country into two parts, and one of them was nathuram godse, he killed Gandhi. He later punished with death by court. What are you trying to say in this. These are law and order situation, many such events happen in country and all over the world, where is religion here, its political matter,
@RoyaleBengalTiger ". He later punished with death by court. What are you trying to say in this. These are law and order situation, many such events happen in country and all over the world, where is religion here, its political matter," - What I'm trying to say is your good old Hindu people killed Ghandi.
@MuBa21 What I'm trying to say is your good old Hindu people killed Ghandi.--The person who killed Gandhi was hanged to death and this is a political matter, where many people were angry with gandhi because he agreed for the partition of country, where the matter of religion exists in this event? There are many such political differences always and such acts keep happening in politics where many people disagree with some political decision. he was punished what else.
@MuBa21 You're good friend from the RRS-- might be, is anything wrong in that. I am not muslims, obviously I would be either christian, or jews, or hindu and obviously I would be freind to somebody. Is this the subject of debate that I am friend to somebody or not? BTW it has nothing to do with RSS, or WSS, or VSS or any organization, the threat of Islam is to all other religion and to whole Humanity and not just to a group or two.
@MuBa21 You're good friend Manu didn't even give inheritance for a woman--Manu was a king, and he has given some rules, such rules given by many others like Guatam and Vashista. Such rules in no way are religious duties for Hindus. But even if I agree that there is something wrong in this text, this still does not proves the nobility of Mohamed and the authenticity of Islam. In way way two wrong things can make one right and in no way proving other wrong proves one noble.
@MuBa21 Plz tell me where I'm quoting this out of context too. I'd like to see your answer.-- the whole text is too complex to comment anything now, but yes, even if you are able to prove that something wrong written by Manu is not going to prove mohamed right for what he has done. Though the text you have given is related with the particular "Agrayana" and is not universal, but then again its not the subject, proving others wrong is not going to prove you right. they are two different subjects.
@shieldsff However, the teachings of Muhammad are not consistent with the teachings of Islam and appear to lack any credibility.--Well I don't know there is any other Islam, remove Mohamed from Islam and there is nothing left. In fact Islam is nothing but the manifestation of his thoughts. But above that the evil of Islam which is more a problem for humanity.
@MuBa21 Hadith you stated is a forgery and therefore not accepted--Well, how many hadith will you tell forgery. Hadiths are much bigger texts of hate, if I'll get time, I'll give you texts from other hadiths too and then I'll see how many of them you declare as forgery. But the biggest culprit of all of them is Quran itself and hence the whole evil empires of Muslims, which is there is destroy this world and nothing else.
@MuBa21 Also Ayurveda uses the same strategy as any other religion--Ayurveda discovered long before any other religion developed and thousands of years ago, if other religions are using same thing it means they copied. Ayurveda is complete medication system and not few funky references which mulims twist to take it as scieintific discovery and then consider that as miracle and hence they conclude that Quran is words of God, if so then wrong quotes proves that Quran is false, right?
@RoyaleBengalTiger "Ayurveda discovered long before any other religion developed and thousands of years ago, if other religions are using same thing it means they copied." - Again an age old argument that Scriptures were copied and used from before. The Quran doesn't copy things from other books, but instead fixes their mistakes.
Vedas Contradiction:
Indra protects the wide earth which is immovable and has many forms (Atarv Ved 12/1/11)
@MuBa21 Again an age old argument that Scriptures were copied and used from before.--- You were trying to tell since there is mention of embrayo in Quran and that embrayo was not known to people before 1400 years ago, and so its miracle and so Quran is words of God. I proved you that there was existing the whole medication system and the complete knowledge of body and diseases and their cures. and hence such reference has all chances to be copied.
@RoyaleBengalTiger "I proved you that there was existing the whole medication system and the complete knowledge of body and diseases and their cures. and hence such reference has all chances to be copied. " - Medication system was made a long time ago, but did the system find out what an embryo look like from the inside? No it didn't.
Medication in itself was made way longer than the time of Vedha.
@MuBa21 Medication system was made a long time ago, but did the system find out what an embryo look like from the inside? No it didn't.--When I say medication system, i say everything. No fool can suggest medicine without knowing about the physiology. There is full details of every part of body with exact description of embrayo. And yes, the description of embrayo in Quran is completely wrong. I given proved in earlier post already.
@RoyaleBengalTiger "And yes, the description of embrayo in Quran is completely wrong. I given proved in earlier post already." - Oh plz care to show me this "proof." B/c all I saw this whole time you saying "there are more scientific books out there than the Quran." You might want to stop lying.
@MuBa21 I saw this whole time you saying "there are more scientific books out there than the Quran--Well, I given you short reference of Ayurveda, did not I? Till now Ayurveda is a popular and alternative medicine system and it has suggested cure for everything. Two famous books on the subject, "charak Samhita" and "Susruta Samhita" contains every details. Ayurveda contains the complete details of physiology, etioloyg and emobrology and not just sketchy and dubious reference.
@MuBa21 Ayurveda is grounded in the physics of the "five elements" (Devanāgarī: [महा] पञ्चभूत;Prithvi- (earth), Jala(water), Agni (fire), Vaayu (air) and Akasha (ether)) — all of which compose the Universe, including the human body.[2] Chyle or plasma (called rasa dhatu), blood (rakta dhatu), flesh (mamsa]] dhatu), fat (medha dhatu), bone (asthi dhatu), marrow (majja dhatu), and semen or female reproductive tissue (shukra dhatu)
@MuBa21 continiues:are held to be the seven primary constituent elements – saptadhatu (Devanāgarī: सप्तधातु) of the body.Ayurveda stresses a balance of three elemental energies or humors: vata (air & space – "wind"), pittha (fire & water – "bile") and kapha (water & earth – "phlegm").
@MuBa21 The complete details of embrayo and its development is present in both of the books "Chrak Sanhita and Susruta Sanhita under the titile "Garbhini Vyakarana(Development of embrayo)". Development of fetus is given in detail in Charak samhita in section called "Garbhava Kranti," and special regimens are prescribed for each month in the subsection" Garbhini Paricharya". There is complete details and related treatment for each month of embryo development in these books.
@RoyaleBengalTiger "WE created you Out of dust, then out of Sperm, then out of a leech-like Clot, then out of a morsel Of flesh, partly formed And partly unformed." [22:5]
@MuBa21 The fetus of elder brother of Lord Krishna was transfered from the womb of "Devki" to her lady called "Rohini". That is how even when Balram and Krishna was from two different mothers they were brothers. Hundreds of such references are available in ancient books, but as I told you Ayurveda, the books Charak samhita and susruta samhita contains complete details and treatment. I think this answer should be enough for you.
Was he not a drop Of sperm emitted? Then did he become A clinging clot; Then did (ALLAH) make And fashion In due proportion. And of him HE made Two sexes, male And female."[75:37-39]
HE makes you, In the wombs of your mothers, In stages, one after another, In three veils of darkness." [39:6]
Anterior Abdominal Wall of the mother, Uterine Wall, & Amniochorionic Membrane
@RoyaleBengalTiger "Man WE did create From a quintessence (of clay); Then WE placed him As ( a drop of) sperm In a place of rest, firmly fixed; Then WE made the sperm Into a clot of congealed blood; Then of that clot WE made A (foetus) lump; then WE Made out of that lump Bones and clothed the bones With flesh; then WE developed Out of it another creature. So blessed be ALLAH, The Best to create!" [23:12-14]
@MuBa21 Then of that clot WE made A (foetus) lump; then WE Made out of that lump Bones and clothed the bones With flesh--Here you go. Bones developed before, flesh. Is this true? Absolutely not. But get the history of all embryology and how this get into Quran. you blind people never try to know the truth. This is the exact copy of the the work on emborayology by "Galen" born in Turky in 1st AD. His works which spread in 16 books collection later been reached to arabia.
@MuBa21 Galen's works and other greek works been translated into "syrian' in 400-600 AD by, jews, Ghassanids and later Khosrus(kisras in arabic).Khosru I, (Arabic Kisra) King of Persia from 531-579, was known as Khosru the Great. His troops conquered areas as far away as Yemen. He also loved learning and started several schools.
@MuBa21 "The school of Jundi-Shapur became, during Khosru I's long reign of 48 years, the greatest intellectual center of the time. Within its walls Greek, Jewish, Nestorian, Persian and Hindu thought and experience were freely exchanged.Teaching was done largely in Syriac from Syriac translations of Greek texts."
@MuBa21 (The Role of the Nestorians and Muslims in the History of Medicine, Allen O. Whipple, 1967, Princeton Univ. Press, p. 16.) This meant that Aristotle, Hippocrates, and Galen were readily available when the medical school at Jundi-Shapur was operating during his reign.Harith ben Kalada and Nadr ben Harith were the educated people during mohamed who help bring those knowledge to locals during mohamed's time.
@MuBa21 Galen's work identified following stages of embrayo development:STAGE 1. The two semens STAGE 1b. plus menstrual blood STAGE 2. unshaped flesh STAGE 3. bones STAGE 3b. flesh grows on and around the bones and see the exact match in quran:STAGE 1. nutfa -- sperm STAGE 2. ‘alaqa -- clot STAGE 3. mudagha -- piece or lump of flesh STAGE 4. ‘adaam -- bones STAGE 5. dressing the bones with muscles, don't you see the exact match.
@MuBa21 Even before Galen, many greek scholars given complete details of embrayology(I am not mentioning hinduism here). ARISTOTLE identified embrayo development in following stages:STAGE 1. sperm STAGE 2. catamenia -- menstrual blood STAGE 3. flesh STAGE 4. bones STAGE 5. around the bones grow the fleshy parts
This too matching what is written in quran if not fully then partially at least.
@MuBa21 before ARISTOTLE, HIPPOCRATES(460 BC) given details of embrayology: HIPPOCRATES stages of embrayo development has following stages:STAGE 1. sperm STAGE 2. mother's blood descends around the membrane STAGE 3. flesh, fed through umbilicus STAGE 4. bones . I did not even mention the Chark samhita and susruta samhita which has all details of embrayo development and all related medicines and cures.
@MuBa21 There is "Garbh Puran" which is completely in this subject. Moral story is that embrayo is one of the subject, details about which is present since thousands yeas before Islam. All those quotes written in quran is the copy of the information gathered from here and there. What written in Quran is the exact copy of Galen's work which was made available in that part of the word between 400-500 AD.
@MuBa21 But if indeed what is written in Quran about embrayo is the poof of authenticity then there are other more releable work available. Galen's work was considered as the best work on emobrayology till 1300 AD till in recent discoveries this concept and hence the concept of Quran is proved wrong. Bone never comes into form before 6 weeks and yes, it never precedes flesh in development..
@MuBa21 Modern embrayology: Concerning the bone stage, it is clear, as Dr. Moore demonstrates so capably in his textbook, that muscles start forming from the somites at the same time as the cartilage models of the bones. There is no bone stage at which the limbs of the developing fetus are just bones around which muscles will later be placed.
@RoyaleBengalTiger "There is no bone stage at which the limbs of the developing fetus are just bones around which muscles will later be placed." - Wrong. First the bones form as cartilage models and then the muscles (flesh) develop around them from the somatic mesoderm.
@MuBa21 Wrong. First the bones form as cartilage models and then the muscles (flesh) develop around them from the somatic mesoderm.--Well its not like that how written in Quran, but even with, its clear all such word written in Quran has been written thousands of years back, by Greeks, and Indians, and its nothing but a utter foolishness to call it discovery for something discovered thousand years back.I gave you the complete reference.
@MuBa21 If what is written about embrayology in 4-10 lines is the discovery, then I can write the gravitation farmula , much more in lines, and then claim that I discovered the gravitational concept and then call it miracle, miracle. similar way i can give many such sketchy references of everything and then claim everything my discovery. what if somebody has discovered it earlier? Since I get revelations and so only my words are correct, all earlier discoveries are void. isn';t it..
@RoyaleBengalTiger "I can write the gravitation farmula , much more in lines, and then claim that I discovered the gravitational concept and then call it miracle" - The Quran is a book of signs, not science. The Quran has much more to offer than just scientific notations and such. The Book is made for Guiding humanity.
@MuBa21 The Quran is a book of signs, not science. The Quran has much more to offer than just scientific notations and such-- Again you are changing poisition. Few days back you mention about the miracle of embrayology and miracle and hence the proof of authenticiy of Quran. Go to the net and see how much muslims are using this so called miracle of embrayo as the proof of Miracle. Now you are changjng words, and want me to expose your talks of so called signs too.
@MuBa21 The Quran is a book of signs, not science---so Quran is book of sings, and so all those verses of Violence were also signs and that signs are invariable making it universal for the world domination of Islam and the destruction of all other religions and civilization. Over 1400 years of History it has been proved beyond doubts that so called signs are implemented all the time.
@MuBa21 the goal to achieve the world domination of Islam is continously. In present time it has taken forms of silent ethnic cleansing in mulsim dominated areas. through multiplication of popluation where they are in minority and through the means of terrorism. In earlier time the political conquests and the use of armed forces and the power of state used as the tools. It has never stoped, talking peaceful words is another strategies done as per Al-Taqia to fool people.
@RoyaleBengalTiger "Few days back you mention about the miracle of embrayology and miracle and hence the proof of authenticiy of Quran." - I'm not side tracking anything. While it is true that Quran is a book of signs, and embryology is one of the signs that goes with science.
@MuBa21 It is equally clear, that ‘alaqa in the Qur'an means clot and that the Quraish who heard Muhammad speaking understood him to be referring to the menstrual blood as the female contribution to the developing baby.
@MuBa21 Now I want you to give me the details given in Quran about embrayo, which you are too excited and keep mentioning. I can give that reference but I like you to tell everybody what is that so called amazing discovery based on that you are trying to prove the authenticity of Quran.
@RoyaleBengalTiger "No fool can suggest medicine without knowing about the physiology. There is full details of every part of body with exact description of embrayo" - You may want to give reference. Or else it's just a lie :P
@RoyaleBengalTiger No matter how much you say about Hinduism being older than Islam. It still goes to the fact that we Muslims believing Islam started way back when Adam was created. It's just the revelation wasn't fit to be completed till 1400 years ago.
So if anything it's you guys who copied the original texts.
@MuBa21 guys who copied the original texts--We copiied from which texts? give me the name of the book form where vedas, bhagvat gita, upnishads is copied. there is no end of foolishness of you people. Since mohamed was knowing that its very difficult to justify Islam, he given this filthy comcept that islam was from start and he is renewing the law, think carefully, how much you people has been fooled.
@MuBa21 It still goes to the fact that we Muslims believing Islam started way back when Adam was created. It's just the revelation wasn't fit to be completed till 1400 years ago.--Can you think anything as foolish as this? If nothing then claim everything from very start as yours, who stops you. In fact read the verses, everything written in quran is complete regional in natures, forget about divine, its not universal even for earth and a vast area of earth.
@RoyaleBengalTiger "In fact read the verses, everything written in quran is complete regional in natures, forget about divine, its not universal even for earth and a vast area of earth. " - Regional it may be but the verses presented is actually quite Universal if you take the time to actually read and understand.
@MuBa21 Regional it may be but the verses presented is actually quite Universal if you take the time to actually read and understand.---That's interesting, so verses presented to cut fingers, slay heads are also universal. This finally proves the violence presents in Quran. Finally you yourself admits . Please don't take u-turn again by giving excuse of regional context and time, because one thing can not be contextual with place and time and universal at same time.
@RoyaleBengalTiger "That's interesting, so verses presented to cut fingers, slay heads are also universal" - This finally proves you've been taking verses out of context. Try again.
@RoyaleBengalTiger Well when you say slay heads and cut fingers you don't understand its context. We're allowed to slay any offenders against us. It's called "Self Defense."
Also by "cutting fingers" you mean for the thieves. That only happens when someone steals something big in terms of matter, not some candy from a baby. Also it'll make the person think twice before he commits the act.
@MuBa21 We're allowed to slay any offenders against us--Well, nothing more you can say, and nothing more a evil and demonic minded people can say. About the defence? What is done in defence. Bunu kuraiyza community were buchered, who attacked whom? Kuraish karwan was attacked one after other 11 times, who was defensive. Places as far as sindh has been attacked and 20000 young women were brought back to arabia to satisfy the lust of lusty muslims, who attacked whom?
@RoyaleBengalTiger Not true at all. On the contrary, the Banu Qurayzah prior to the incident of their so-called "massacre" attempted to betray the Muslims by openly aligning themselves with the Confederate armies (consisting of the pagan Quraysh and their allies) during the beseiging of the city of Madinah, known in history as the "War of the Confederates"
@MuBa21 Not true at all. On the contrary, the Banu Qurayzah prior to the incident of their so-called "massacre" attempted to betray the Muslims by openly aligning themselves with the Confederate armies (consisting of the pagan Quraysh and their allies--Ok, let first of all agree with you, suppose a ruler or leader breaks a pact, does this give enough reason to kill all people of the that state? Pacts are created and broken by leaders and not by people.
@RoyaleBengalTiger "Pacts are created and broken by leaders and not by people." - Yes but what you fail to see remotely is the fact that not only the pacts are broken during WAR TIME, they opposing force wanted to kill Muhammad and slay all the Muslims. That should be good enough reason to fight back. I'm telling you again "SELF DEFENSE" is okay.
@MuBa21 That should be good enough reason to fight back. I'm telling you again "SELF DEFENSE" is okay-if this is okay the way banu kurayza were killed then its perfectly ok for US to kill all people in Iraq, afghanistan and arabia because people from these country attacked us. and yes, to destrirbute all women to us solidiers, I think it should be perfectly fine.
@MuBa21 attempted to betray the Muslims--every single unarmed person above the age of puberty be killed one by one only because Muslims claim that they betrayed. So you accept that if any ruler breaks some pact, then all his people should be killed. It means based on the same ground US should kill all people in Iraq, afganistan because US too claim similar things, that these two nations try to harm US in one way or other.
@RoyaleBengalTiger First of all did you even bother looking at what the treaty said? They agreed each party will have their own religion, Jews and Muslims would be 1 community, and neither party would Aid each other's enemies, both party are responsible for their own expenses, and anybody who breaks this treaty will be punished.
@RoyaleBengalTiger (continued) This is an act of treason, because they had earlier pledged to uphold the Madinan Covenent with the Muslims, which stipulates cooperation and an alliance if the Muslims in Madinah were attacked by a foreign force.
@MuBa21 This is an act of treason -- Under which rule breaking a pact is act of treason, if indeed this was the act of treason, it gives enough reasons to butcher un-armed men one by one and later rape their women and sell in slave market. If this is true the most of the people should already been killed in today's world, because every year hundreds of pact been made and broken .
@MuBa21 "This is an act of treason, .....Madinah were attacked by a foreign force."--Who was foriener there? Isn't Mohamed was equally foreiner for medina as was kuraishy? I am not still talking of the exact pact, which itself is the biggest lies and conspiracy against the local tribes. But even if as per your words, it still shows that Banu kuraiyza was never comfortable with Mohamed, this itself proves automatically that he was not a peaceful and divine by any means.
@MuBa21 What he did to kill the people of Medina, who has given mohamed the shelter in the difficult time, is un-presented events in the history of human history. In no circumstances the host who gives shelter can be butchered like this even if he is found guilty. But Banu kuraiyza was not at fault at very first place. Even here when going through your words, you are trying to put the right and wrong be decided by Muslims from what they think, how this is so?
@MuBa21 What steps taken by Banu kuraiyza was a political decision and they think that is good for their future. There is no law in this world in any period which can prove that even if they broken pact with Mohamed be ever called treason? The act done by mohamed is demonic by any human standard and if such person is claimed to be prophet then its nothing less than the worst example of evil ever possible.
@RoyaleBengalTiger "What steps taken by Banu kuraiyza was a political decision and they think that is good for their future." - So you're saying it's okay for Banu Quraiza to attack and betray Muhammad and it's not for Muhammad to fight back and defend? This shows how much double standard you critics have.
@MuBa21 So you're saying it's okay for Banu Quraiza to attack and betray Muhammad to fight back and defend?--fight back? where was fight? Mohamed killed those people who surrendered and not all of them were fighting, I did not mention those killed in fight, He killed unarmed people, don't take the shadow of fight or war to hide such henious act.
@RoyaleBengalTiger "Mohamed killed those people who surrendered and not all of them were fighting, I did not mention those killed in fight, He killed unarmed people, don't take the shadow of fight or war to hide such henious act. " - Are you stupid or something? I stated that the treaty specifically said whoever breaks the treaty gets punished. And for your information it wasn't Muhammad who gave the ultimatum, it was another person who used to be in the Banu tribe.
@RoyaleBengalTiger "Mohamed killed those people who surrendered and not all of them were fighting, I did not mention those killed in fight, He killed unarmed people, don't take the shadow of fight or war to hide such henious act. " - Did you forget the fact that the Quran explicitly said to not hurt the ones who SURRENDERED? 2:193 if you've forgotten. Also the decision was by an ex-Banu based on the Jewish Bible (Deuteronomy 20:10-14), not the Quran.
@MuBa21 Did you forget the fact that the Quran explicitly said to not hurt the ones who SURRENDERED--what rubbish is this? Banu kurayza unarmed people were killed and in reply you are giving this line? what does it show? The event happned in real can not be nutralised was what is written. Dont repeat the same thing, becuase there are hundreds or verses telling how to kill.
@RoyaleBengalTiger So notice the double standards and hypocrisy of you critics, you are attacking Muhammad for what happened to the Jews of Banu Qurayza, yet when this is in the own Bible you have no problem with it!
The Jewish tribe of Qurayza were judged by their own book, their own law (Deuteronomy 20:10-14) , their own tribesman (Not Muhammad) and if you feel this is something detestable then you should go attack the Bible and rip this ruling out of the book, not the Quran or Muhammad.
@MuBa21 100,000 hindus were taken out from houses and buchered by the invading army of Tamur lung, who invaded whom? Biggest university of the world and the biggest reservoir of the vast vedic knowledge has been burnt to just in 12th-13th centuries, is not this the biggest example of defense? The marvelous Vijaya nagar has be destroyed completely and more than 100,000 hindus buchered, is not this the example of defence of muslims.?
@RoyaleBengalTiger "is not this the example of defence of muslims.?" - What Muslims do and what the Quran says are different.
If there is a law that tells people to not steal, and the people steal, you don't blame the law, you blame the individual. Get that ridiculous notion/comparison out of your head.
@MuBa21 What Muslims do and what the Quran says are different.-- I was telling in last post that you will soon jump to Quran if you have no answer of the acts done by muslims. You jump to the Golden period of Mulsims to prove Quran when you are having no answer to justify Quran. In fact you yourself even after trying so much prove by all means that both Quran and hence the whole History of Mulsims is nothing but the example of evils.
@RoyaleBengalTiger "You jump to the Golden period of Mulsims to prove Quran when you are having no answer to justify Quran" - Don't take my words out of context. I was simply refuting your allegation about Muslims not doing anything scientific ever. I'm showing how ignorant you are.
@MuBa21 What Muslims do and what the Quran says are different.--Few days back you were so proudly mentioned the Golden period of Mulsims and when I given you the reality of so called Golden period you jump to Quran. But from your words, atleast one thing is pretty clear, that the acts of muslims is all full of evils.
@MuBa21 If there is a law that tells people to not steal, and the people steal, you don't blame -- Of course I can't blame if somebody do bad acts. But if that somebody is proudly claimed as the flag bearer of the Golden period of one religion then it'll be blamed. Those people who did such acts were none other the five of Calipha which are recognised by Islam very high there words are part of religion.
@MuBa21 you blame the individual. Get that ridiculous notion/comparison out of your head.--Those individuals were none other than Khaliphas of islam. and thousands of women who were captured were raped by them and sold into the market. I would like muslims to come forward and tell all those Kaliphas were evils and destroy their words and their works.
@MuBa21 Get that ridiculous notion/comparison out of your head.--- You don't have answer right? Well people know the answer, you don't have to tell. Because the moment muslims will have the answer they will also have the answer how evil the Islam is.
@MuBa21 As recently as in 1998 very rare live stone statues of buddhas were destroyed by muslims, it not this the example of great defense. All idols of mecca itself was destroyed none other than Mohamed, is not this the great example of judgement. The list is never ending to show the evils of Islam. Even in your words of so called defense the evil nature is pouring out. Don't talk of judgement,and justice, more you will talk more you will expose the evil nature of Islam.
@RoyaleBengalTiger "Don't talk of judgement,and justice, more you will talk more you will expose the evil nature of Islam." - The only thing I'm exposing is your ignorance towards Islam. All you do is Judge a Book by its cover.
Not every person you come in contact with or see in the news are true representations of his/her religion.
@MuBa21 The only thing I'm exposing is your ignorance towards Islam. All you do is Judge a Book by its cover.--Well I don't think the cover of Quran looks bad, I know how much you people trying to make this book look like divine. How much you people are telling lying to fool people. More you try more you people will be exposed. Everywhere in this world are now knowing the truth of evils hidden behind the fancy cover of this book, don't repeat your evil words.
This has been flagged as spam show
PSALM 2 7 I will proclaim the LORD YHWH’s decree:He said to me, “You are my son;today I have become your father.8 Ask me,and I will make the nations your inheritance, the ends of the earth your possession.9 You will break them with a rod of iron;you will dash them to pieces like pottery.” 12 Kiss his son, or he will be angry and your way will lead to your destruction, for his wrath can flare up in a moment. Blessed are all who take refuge in him.
mRwhite298 6 days ago
This has been flagged as spam show
1 TIMOTHY 3,16And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory. JOHN 3,16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.17For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
mRwhite298 6 days ago
What happen to part two, or didn't the debate go very well for one of them, I'm guessing Shabbir bcz this was uploaded by one of his followers. Folks its simple, u can look at it how ever u want, the Koran dose say to kill Christians/Jews why not just be honest about it like many of the Muslims who admit it, and if it truly is the word of your god, then what do u think he will say to u when he see's u, probably call u coward and also kill u for trying to change his word in the Koran.
WakeupFreinds 1 week ago
I can never understand why you theists, why you argue among yourselves concerning which of your myth world views might contain truth. You insult each other like uncivilized, sophomoric, ravaging dogs, who have no empathy for each other. Is this what your God(s) have commanded you to be like? You Christians and Muslims, here on this page, you are nothing but intellectual layman.
UmarKhayyami 1 month ago
You are the referee...
julio14335 1 month ago
@jordan7787 Shabir is a true legend, he kicked soo many christian fools on the ass. Notice how there are no debates against the jews, I guess they are bloody cowards, their Rabbis are hate preachers
FreakishlyTrue 1 month ago
Why have the so called 'christians' that are evangelicals surrendered to the jews. Wake up fools, the zionists have messed around with your bible period
FreakishlyTrue 1 month ago
These guy needs to get an educational ass kicking by Dr Zakir Naik. Christians are very confused in death of their 'god' and the weird trinity. Are they shit at maths or what? The divinity;1+1+1=3 not 1, 5 year olds know that
FreakishlyTrue 1 month ago
I wish Jay could've had a debate with Yusuf Estes
smashnoor1 2 months ago
Seen shabbir ally at east london mosque back in july
jordan7787 2 months ago
This has been flagged as spam show
BS! Muhammad violent SINFUL dead Murderer! Islam/Quran is corrupt! Jesus/Healed/Blessed/Peace/Salvation/GOD! All MUSLIMS who converted to Christianity ARE HAPPY & FREE OF ABUSE & MISERY Islam leaders are killing you! Christians LOVE YOU! PLEASE accept JESUS CHRIST as your SAVIOR John 3:16 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him! REBEL & ACCEPT JESUS! Be FREE of ISLAM LIES Visit cbn.com /radio
tigersforchrist 3 months ago
I think you have to be schizophrenic to honestly believe Islam is the truth.
wwnnn43 3 months ago
This has been flagged as spam show
@wwnnn43
"I think you have to be schizophrenic to honestly believe Islam is the truth."!
Wow.. Fox News brainwashing really does work..
Islam IS the TRUTH..
sfyr 2 months ago
@vandragoran the only problem is that Islam promotes death of those who abandon islam and non believers in muslim countries
KingDcome11 3 months ago
@KingDcome11 You REALLY got it wrong. Please, look at some of Yusuf Estes's videos here on youtube. Do your research PROPALLY before saying something as wrong as that about my relegion. Remember that arabic is a hard language. You have to get deeply into the language to understand COMLETELY what the Koran says, because a lot of words that are used in the original Koran (arabic) doesn't exist in english. Please, check out some YUSUF ESTES videos, and get deeply into islam, BEFORE saying that.
smashnoor1 2 months ago
@KingDcome11 In what Verse in the Holly Quran you find that. please enlight me.
girloveraja 1 month ago
SHABBIR STARTS TO TALK AT 32:50. SO YOU CAN SKIP OVER TO REAL TALK. (;
Quran871 3 months ago
Allah give us all hydiat and save us from his punishment in this life and in the here after. Ameen
mia919100 3 months ago
@RoyalBengalTiger... Obviously u thnk ur Mr-know-it-all!! Muhammad (pbuh) died a natural death on the lap of the women u claimed posioned him. This is what Shia sect in islam fabricated against Ayesha (ra). It is only due to Allah (swt) grace that u have a mouth & u use it to slander him & his messenger (pbuh)... You will be punished accordingly. Only if u could see wot ppl like you are goin through in thier grave
azi82 4 months ago
@azi82 Make dua for his hydiat. I am an ex christian and I can tell you that they will not come on to hydiat until and only until, Allah swt gives their heart the command, then and only then, will they become muslims...
mia919100 3 months ago
Very well done Shabbir! :))
monptii 4 months ago
Well done Jay!
cycler7755 4 months ago
@cycler7755 jay got owned! OWNED! I MEAN ENSLAVES JK LOOL (;
Quran871 3 months ago
@Quran871 What?
cycler7755 3 months ago
Muslims! Muslims! if you see falsehood start judging and forbidding it and speaking against it dont say lets love and not judge say lets love in lawful way so speak against haram its your duty even to your family members who do haram say bro this is haram. and then leave dont go with the flow change the flow and make the flow halal.
Quran871 3 months ago
If we have to interpret Koran as you says, then why do you not apply the same principles when you quote the Bible?
brbhatta 5 months ago
Allah is great we should love each other and not judge bc He is the best of judges so please think before you speak bc your being judged for everything you do no matter what religion you follow.God bless
feargodonly19 5 months ago
@feargodonly19 Allah is great we should love each other and not judge -- You people are living under biggest possible illustion. There is no doubts, this evil illusion has brought uncounted miseries to the world and whole world is sivering under weight of this evil called Islam. There is nothing like Allah and this whole story is made by a very sick minded person called Mohamed. God never speaks like what is written in Quran. Such can be the words of evil only.
RoyaleBengalTiger 5 months ago
@RoyaleBengalTiger listen you ignorant fool, where are you getting your information from? you imbecile, when did mohammed(pbuh) die due to poisoning, do not speak of that which you have no knowledge of. If you want to have an educated and proper discussion I can enlighten you on thos aspects of Islam which you clearly have no knowledge or misinformation of. But do everyone a favour and until you know the facts do not use your uneducated fingers to type the things you type.
khanhass 5 months ago
Mashalllah burn their hearts by light of Islam and suffer them from truth, but those are people the seeker of wisdom they know Islam.
TheAlsalaam 6 months ago
Comment removed
sunnahproduction 8 months ago
This has been flagged as spam show
No, prophets are not a flawed concept; there were authentic God commissioned prophets whose actions, deed, and truths are recorded in the Hebrew scriptures. However, the teachings of Muhammad are not consistent with the teachings of Islam and appear to lack any credibility. Also, there is NO SUCH THING as divine persons aside from the one true revealed God of all Creation. Thanks for commenting,
shieldsff 8 months ago
No, prophets are not a flawed concept; there were authentic God commissioned prophets whose actions, deed, and truths are recorded in the Hebrew scriptures. However, the teachings of Muhammad are not consistent with the teachings of Islam and appear to lack any credibility. Also, there is NO SUCH THING as divine persons aside from the one true revealed God of all Creation. Thanks for commenting,
shieldsff 8 months ago
Comment removed
RoyaleBengalTiger 8 months ago
@shieldsff Also, there is NO SUCH THING as divine persons aside from the one true revealed God of all Creation-- When I used divine person, then I meant for a person of high spiritual experience and devotion who has realized truth. Such people can come from varied sphere, but there is no doubt in knowing that such people are free from lust, ego, greed and anger and they are the purest of heart among humans. I don't see Mohamed stand anywhere close to that definition.
RoyaleBengalTiger 8 months ago
@shieldsff prophets are not a flawed concept; there were authentic God commissioned prophets whose actions, deed-- I would not want to extend debate on that, though I have great reservation in accepting such thing as God selects one person to deliver some messages and many people try to make a religious empire based on such laws. If God is there, then he never have such urgency to do such things. God can deliver message in much better way.
RoyaleBengalTiger 8 months ago
This has been flagged as spam show
@RoyaleBengalTiger The problem with you guys is that you don't actually read the Quran for yourselves, but actually just look for things found on google or present things out of context. Meh you're only harming yourselves, end of the day the verse; "kill them wherever you find them" has already been explained like a million times, but ppl like you will continue to ignore the verse after and before it.
All I can say is May you be given Mercy.
MuBa21 7 months ago
@MuBa21 All I can say is May you be given Mercy--Keep your mercy with you evil minded. Even the with of an evil is not more than evil, snake no matter if he bites will love will only kill. You are one among those man eaters whose hands are wet with blood of millions. You must remember, you people will end the way you rise because blood knows its end, blood ends with blood. sooner or later crusades will start all over the world.
RoyaleBengalTiger 7 months ago
@RoyaleBengalTiger "You are one among those man eaters whose hands are wet with blood of millions. You must remember, you people will end the way you rise because blood knows its end, blood ends with blood. sooner or later crusades will start all over the world." -
Like I said: May you be given Mercy.
MuBa21 7 months ago
This has been flagged as spam show
@MuBa21 The problem with you guys is that you don't actually read the Quran for yourselves, -- Its out to everyone, and for your kind information almost all read the evils of Quran. But its suggestion for you, try to read the scriptures of other religions and then you will know why quran is evil.
RoyaleBengalTiger 7 months ago
This has been flagged as spam show
@RoyaleBengalTiger "Its out to everyone, and for your kind information almost all read the evils of Quran. But its suggestion for you, try to read the scriptures of other religions and then you will know why quran is evil. " - Says the person who thinks a "Muslim" can have up to 10 wives and then blames Islam for it lol. Such simple things like this shows you have little to no credentials in your knowledge about Islam.
MuBa21 7 months ago
This has been flagged as spam show
@MuBa21 Says the person who thinks a "Muslim" can have up to 10 wives and then blames Islam for it lol. Such simple things like this shows you have little to no credentials in your knowledge about Islam-- No its shows the mental state of the followers of an evil religion. All muslims are following the acts their prophet, who was involved in such acts of distributing women as war booty, raping women and looting money.
RoyaleBengalTiger 7 months ago
@MuBa21 Says the person who thinks a "Muslim" can have up to 10 wives and then blames Islam for it lol.-- its not about marrying, muslims raped all women and then sold into the slave markets, the worst ever evil act possible. Muslims display the most evil in every conquest by targeting women specially. The way women were targetted by muslims is unprecendented in human histroy. So called Islamic era was actually the hell for non-muslims and the shear presentation of evils by muslims.
RoyaleBengalTiger 7 months ago
This has been flagged as spam show
@MuBa21 "kill them wherever you find them" has already been explained like a million times, --And each time it will give same meaning, "kill" can never translate to love no matter if you explain it for billion times,
RoyaleBengalTiger 7 months ago
@RoyaleBengalTiger "kill" can never translate to love no matter if you explain it for billion times, " - That's b/c stupid people like you don't know the meaning of "justice."
MuBa21 7 months ago
This has been flagged as spam show
@MuBa21 "kill" can never translate to love no matter if you explain it for billion times, " - That's b/c stupid people like you don't know the meaning of "justice.-- Yes, I don't know the meaning of evil justice, where an innocent person from other religions are killed only because their so called evil God, allah has told this to do.
RoyaleBengalTiger 7 months ago
@RoyaleBengalTiger Now let's do a bit of trial on your Hinduism shall we? So women can't get any property according to the Vedas:
Women are without energy. They should not get a share in the property. Even to the wicked, they speak in a feeble manner. [Krishna Yajur Veda vi. 5. 8. 2]
A wife has no claim to property of her husband. The wealth that she earns is not her but her husband's. [Manu Smriti Chapter 8, Sholka 416]
In Islam women have properties.
MuBa21 7 months ago
@MuBa21 Women are without energy. They should not get a share in the property. Even to the wicked, they speak in a feeble manner. [Krishna Yajur Veda vi. 5. 8. 2]--there is nothing like this, the original text is this". In that he mixes (the cup) for (Tvastr) with the wives with ghee, he overpowers it with a bolt and draws it. ‘Thou art taken with a support’, he says; the support is this (earth); therefore offspring are born on this (earth). ‘Of thee, pressed by Brhaspati ‘, continue
RoyaleBengalTiger 7 months ago
@MuBa21 he says; Brhaspati is the holy power of the gods; verily by the holy power he produces offspring for him. ‘O drop’, he says; the drop is seed; verily thus he impregnates seed. ‘Possessing power’,
Also Manu smriti is independent views of manu and in not way religious obligations for Hindus. Also laws of many smriti was never in practice. There are many independent laws given by many but in no way obligatory by Hindus.
RoyaleBengalTiger 7 months ago
@RoyaleBengalTiger "Also Manu smriti is independent views of manu and in not way religious obligations for Hindus. Also laws of many smriti was never in practice. There are many independent laws given by many but in no way obligatory by Hindus. " - So you don't know your own religion it seems.
"I have described to you above succinctly the source of the Law, as also the origin of this whole world. Learn now the Laws of the social classes." (2.25)
MuBa21 6 months ago
@MuBa21 "I have described to you above succinctly the source of the Law, as also the origin of this whole world. Learn now the Laws of the social classes." (2.25)-- There were many laws given by many scholars manu was one of them. also manu smriti is based upon tthe smriti(memory) and there are few texts which might be corrupted. In Hindusim we are not obliged to follow many social laws, as Hinduism excepts the law of the land at the present time.
RoyaleBengalTiger 6 months ago
@RoyaleBengalTiger "smriti is based upon tthe smriti(memory) and there are few texts which might be corrupted. " - That right there proves the religion is not worth following if there is textual corruption. Thank you for admitting something.
"Hinduism accepts the law of the land at the present time." - So Hindus accept corrupted government that runs India, also known as man made laws. Man made laws are the worst of the worst to follow.
MuBa21 6 months ago
@MuBa21 That right there proves the religion is not worth following if there is textual corruption.--- Only fools like mulsims search religion in text. Hinduism is not a religion folowed by parrots, its based on yoga, the law of karma, and the universal definition of harmony not just among human but among all living creatures, You never get chance to read Hinduism it appears.
RoyaleBengalTiger 5 months ago
@MuBa21 That right there proves the religion is not worth following if there is textual corruption--- People know what text is corrupted as some texts which does not match with univesal and divine revelations, But in all such cases god has given human the sense to organize its society, make progress and make or alter social structures as per the time, God never interferes in day to day affairs of human. There exist the divine law of Karma which every creatures is bounded to.
RoyaleBengalTiger 5 months ago
@MuBa21 In Hinduism every creature contains the same element of life which is 9th form of Lord Vishnu apart from 8 other forms. Not only man and women but all other animals and all other creatures have same element. In this context all hindus knows that whether man or women they all contains similar soul which in turn contains the element of Lord. At other place in Veda it is written" yatra pujyate stiya, tatra basanti devta", Gods have its presence where women are respected.
RoyaleBengalTiger 5 months ago
@MuBa21 So Hindus accept corrupted government that runs India,--- Human has been given the head, brain and intelligence for the purpose that it can establish its society as per the time. There exist the law of karma and the cycle of births where every soul has to pass through. God has given the guidence to do karma and human do their karma, if somebody does bad karma he gets the results of his own karma, God neither gives prize nor punish, soul moves to next body as per his own actions
RoyaleBengalTiger 5 months ago
@MuBa21 "O arjuna, this whole world is bound by the actions, except the actions done as a sacrifice to the Lord, sacrificing all your actions onto the Supreme Lord, without being bounded in it, becomes the reason for the benediction of the doer.(Srimad bhagvat gita, ch3,sh-9)
RoyaleBengalTiger 5 months ago
@MuBa21 O conquere of the wealth(Arjuna) there is nothing superior to me, there is nothing which is eminent than me, As beads are strung on the thread, this whole wolds passes through me. O, Partha know me as the original seed of all beings, I am the intelligence in the intelligent, and dignity of the dignified.(Srimad Bhagvat gita:Ch7, Sh7,10)
RoyaleBengalTiger 5 months ago
@MuBa21 Hindus accept corrupted government-- Corrupt or not, they are the democracy, where every human is given the chance to select its representatives, not like Islamic rule, where few people decide the fate of whole population who are all slaves of few people. Look at the affaris of Muslim dominated countries who are all facing un-ending violence and civil war and then you will have idea what you are talking about. Islam always treated human like slave, earlier and even now.
RoyaleBengalTiger 5 months ago
@MuBa21 social classes based on the four varnas was based on the activities of people later the became hereditary. O Arjuna I have created the fouirfold orders (varnas or castes) according to the modes of action and the modes of their nature. And although I am the creator, you know me yet as a non doer and eternal. (bhagvat gita: ch4sh13). Refer to bhagvat gita for most authentic references and the direct words of God
RoyaleBengalTiger 6 months ago
@RoyaleBengalTiger 4:24 - commentary-
Also forbidden for you are married women, except those who have fallen in your hands as prisoners of war. This is the order of Allah relating to marriage prohibitions. All women other than these are lawful provided you seek them in marriage with gifts from your property (dowry), desiring chastity and not lust.... (continued)
MuBa21 6 months ago
@MuBa21 except those who have fallen in your hands as prisoners of war.--- Explain the term how a women should fall into somebody as prisomer of war. How there is a God, who orders to put one human(women) in control of other human. Taking women as a prisoner of war is straight example of evil, and yes, this type of logic and statements can be given by human and not God. Human can justify anything correct when he is in control.
RoyaleBengalTiger 5 months ago
@MuBa21 except those who have fallen in your hands as prisoners of war.--- If this is correct, accepting that, US should take all women from Iraq and Afganistan as prisoner of war and distribute among their soldier, after all this order is from so called God and must be followed by everybody. I would like to see how mulsims comment. Bottom line is that your all logic is proving one other evil itself.
RoyaleBengalTiger 5 months ago
@RoyaleBengalTiger (continued) Give them their dowry as an obligation for the benefit you have received from your marriage relationship. However, there is no blame on you if you change the agreement of dowry with mutual consent. Allah is the Knowledgeable, Wise.
MuBa21 6 months ago
@RoyaleBengalTiger You're good friend Manu didn't even give inheritance for a woman: "Soma could not bear being drawn for women; making the ghee a bolt they beat it, they drew it when it had lost its power; therefore women are powerless, have no inheritance, and speak more humbly than even a bad man"
-[Yajurveda(Taittiriya Sanhita) Khanda VI, Prapathaka 5 ,Hymn 8]
Plz tell me where I'm quoting this out of context too. I'd like to see your answer.
MuBa21 7 months ago
@RoyaleBengalTiger Narendra Modi visited Godhra on the day of the burning of coach S-6 of the Sabarmati Express. His outburst provided the first sign to Sangh workers that the time to corner the Muslims had come. That very night, top BJP and Sangh leaders met at Ahmedabad, Vadodara and Godhra, and gave the green signal for an all-out assault on Muslims across the state
Hey look I can pull current events out of google too about Hindus being evil!
MuBa21 7 months ago
@MuBa21 Narendra Modi visited Godhra on the day of the burning of coach S-6 of the Sabarmati Express.-- 56 Hindu devotees who were returning from pilgrimage were burnt down alive by the muslim at godhra due to some argument or fight between one passenger and some muslim on platform. Narendra Modi was the chief minister and obviously he will visit there. After godhra incident when so many people from majority burnt down alive, society erupted and riot happened.
RoyaleBengalTiger 7 months ago
@MuBa21 Hey look I can pull current events out of google too about Hindus being evil!--- Hindus been targeted by muslims all over the centuries, even in a Hindu majority country like India, mulsim dare to burn a majority community in bulk, already for many years, muslim terrorists keep attacking India and over 100,000 people killed, obviously the whole society is angry due to the evils caused by Islam. Its not in India, such anger is exist every where, in europe, americas against Islam.
RoyaleBengalTiger 7 months ago
@RoyaleBengalTiger More than 80 percent of India's nearly one billion people are Hindus. Muslims form a sizeable minority of around 15 percent, while just 2.5 percent are Christians. Although Hindu fundamentalist leaders have formally denied responsibility for attacks on minority religious communities, their propaganda is characterized by threats of violence. You're good friend from the RRS killed Ghandi in the past, shows how nice Hindus are right?
MuBa21 7 months ago
@MuBa21 Muslims form a sizeable minority of around 15 percent, while just 2.5 percent are Christians.--What are you trying to show from this data? In a Hindu country if the population of other religions are still flourishing then what wrong example does it gives?
RoyaleBengalTiger 7 months ago
@MuBa21 Although Hindu fundamentalist leaders have formally denied responsibility for attacks on minority religious communities,-- India has received thousands of terrorist attacks and not to say all be muslims? India provided shelter to all religions. When jews were slaughtered they got shelter in India. when persian were wiped by muslims, many of them took shelter in India, even now India contains half of the total population of persians in this world.
RoyaleBengalTiger 7 months ago
@RoyaleBengalTiger "hen persian were wiped by muslims, many of them took shelter in India, even now India contains half of the total population of persians in this world. " - Muslims gave shelter to the Jews during Hitler's time. your point?
MuBa21 6 months ago
@MuBa21 Muslims gave shelter to the Jews during Hitler's time. your point?---Really? In which country did they give them the shelter? You are trying to put ice over burnt ashes.
RoyaleBengalTiger 6 months ago
This has been flagged as spam show
@RoyaleBengalTiger "Really? In which country did they give them the shelter? You are trying to put ice over burnt ashes." - Are you this stupid? Never heard of Besa? Albania? Kosovo? Paris? Benghabrit? This is the reason why I call you and other critics out on taking things out of context. Thank you for exposing yourself.
MuBa21 6 months ago
@MuBa21 Are you this stupid? Never heard of Besa? Albania? Kosovo? Paris? Benghabrit? -- I have no enough source to verify or deny this, I'll find and then i'll tell, Though its well known facts, every single muslims want to finish jews and then keep trying for this all the time. Similar hatred written in hadith about finishing jews.
RoyaleBengalTiger 5 months ago
@MuBa21 You're good friend from the RRS killed Ghandi in the past-- There were few people who were against Gandhi for dividing country into two parts, and one of them was nathuram godse, he killed Gandhi. He later punished with death by court. What are you trying to say in this. These are law and order situation, many such events happen in country and all over the world, where is religion here, its political matter,
RoyaleBengalTiger 7 months ago
@RoyaleBengalTiger ". He later punished with death by court. What are you trying to say in this. These are law and order situation, many such events happen in country and all over the world, where is religion here, its political matter," - What I'm trying to say is your good old Hindu people killed Ghandi.
MuBa21 6 months ago
@MuBa21 What I'm trying to say is your good old Hindu people killed Ghandi.--The person who killed Gandhi was hanged to death and this is a political matter, where many people were angry with gandhi because he agreed for the partition of country, where the matter of religion exists in this event? There are many such political differences always and such acts keep happening in politics where many people disagree with some political decision. he was punished what else.
RoyaleBengalTiger 6 months ago
@MuBa21 You're good friend from the RRS-- might be, is anything wrong in that. I am not muslims, obviously I would be either christian, or jews, or hindu and obviously I would be freind to somebody. Is this the subject of debate that I am friend to somebody or not? BTW it has nothing to do with RSS, or WSS, or VSS or any organization, the threat of Islam is to all other religion and to whole Humanity and not just to a group or two.
RoyaleBengalTiger 7 months ago
@MuBa21 You're good friend Manu didn't even give inheritance for a woman--Manu was a king, and he has given some rules, such rules given by many others like Guatam and Vashista. Such rules in no way are religious duties for Hindus. But even if I agree that there is something wrong in this text, this still does not proves the nobility of Mohamed and the authenticity of Islam. In way way two wrong things can make one right and in no way proving other wrong proves one noble.
RoyaleBengalTiger 7 months ago
@MuBa21 Plz tell me where I'm quoting this out of context too. I'd like to see your answer.-- the whole text is too complex to comment anything now, but yes, even if you are able to prove that something wrong written by Manu is not going to prove mohamed right for what he has done. Though the text you have given is related with the particular "Agrayana" and is not universal, but then again its not the subject, proving others wrong is not going to prove you right. they are two different subjects.
RoyaleBengalTiger 7 months ago
@shieldsff However, the teachings of Muhammad are not consistent with the teachings of Islam and appear to lack any credibility.--Well I don't know there is any other Islam, remove Mohamed from Islam and there is nothing left. In fact Islam is nothing but the manifestation of his thoughts. But above that the evil of Islam which is more a problem for humanity.
RoyaleBengalTiger 8 months ago
@MuBa21 Hadith you stated is a forgery and therefore not accepted--Well, how many hadith will you tell forgery. Hadiths are much bigger texts of hate, if I'll get time, I'll give you texts from other hadiths too and then I'll see how many of them you declare as forgery. But the biggest culprit of all of them is Quran itself and hence the whole evil empires of Muslims, which is there is destroy this world and nothing else.
RoyaleBengalTiger 8 months ago
@MuBa21 . Also plz do tell me other scriptures if you like.--Read Sri mad Bhagvat Gita(The direct words of God),
Tripitaka (buddhism), Upnishads(Hinduism Vedanta), Mahayana Sutras(Buddhism).Although there are many, but you can refer one of more of these.
RoyaleBengalTiger 8 months ago
@MuBa21 Also Ayurveda uses the same strategy as any other religion--Ayurveda discovered long before any other religion developed and thousands of years ago, if other religions are using same thing it means they copied. Ayurveda is complete medication system and not few funky references which mulims twist to take it as scieintific discovery and then consider that as miracle and hence they conclude that Quran is words of God, if so then wrong quotes proves that Quran is false, right?
RoyaleBengalTiger 8 months ago
@RoyaleBengalTiger "Ayurveda discovered long before any other religion developed and thousands of years ago, if other religions are using same thing it means they copied." - Again an age old argument that Scriptures were copied and used from before. The Quran doesn't copy things from other books, but instead fixes their mistakes.
Vedas Contradiction:
Indra protects the wide earth which is immovable and has many forms (Atarv Ved 12/1/11)
MuBa21 8 months ago
@MuBa21 Again an age old argument that Scriptures were copied and used from before.--- You were trying to tell since there is mention of embrayo in Quran and that embrayo was not known to people before 1400 years ago, and so its miracle and so Quran is words of God. I proved you that there was existing the whole medication system and the complete knowledge of body and diseases and their cures. and hence such reference has all chances to be copied.
RoyaleBengalTiger 8 months ago
@RoyaleBengalTiger "I proved you that there was existing the whole medication system and the complete knowledge of body and diseases and their cures. and hence such reference has all chances to be copied. " - Medication system was made a long time ago, but did the system find out what an embryo look like from the inside? No it didn't.
Medication in itself was made way longer than the time of Vedha.
MuBa21 8 months ago
@MuBa21 Medication system was made a long time ago, but did the system find out what an embryo look like from the inside? No it didn't.--When I say medication system, i say everything. No fool can suggest medicine without knowing about the physiology. There is full details of every part of body with exact description of embrayo. And yes, the description of embrayo in Quran is completely wrong. I given proved in earlier post already.
RoyaleBengalTiger 8 months ago
@RoyaleBengalTiger "And yes, the description of embrayo in Quran is completely wrong. I given proved in earlier post already." - Oh plz care to show me this "proof." B/c all I saw this whole time you saying "there are more scientific books out there than the Quran." You might want to stop lying.
MuBa21 8 months ago
@MuBa21 I saw this whole time you saying "there are more scientific books out there than the Quran--Well, I given you short reference of Ayurveda, did not I? Till now Ayurveda is a popular and alternative medicine system and it has suggested cure for everything. Two famous books on the subject, "charak Samhita" and "Susruta Samhita" contains every details. Ayurveda contains the complete details of physiology, etioloyg and emobrology and not just sketchy and dubious reference.
RoyaleBengalTiger 8 months ago
@MuBa21 Ayurveda is grounded in the physics of the "five elements" (Devanāgarī: [महा] पञ्चभूत;Prithvi- (earth), Jala(water), Agni (fire), Vaayu (air) and Akasha (ether)) — all of which compose the Universe, including the human body.[2] Chyle or plasma (called rasa dhatu), blood (rakta dhatu), flesh (mamsa]] dhatu), fat (medha dhatu), bone (asthi dhatu), marrow (majja dhatu), and semen or female reproductive tissue (shukra dhatu)
RoyaleBengalTiger 8 months ago
@MuBa21 continiues:are held to be the seven primary constituent elements – saptadhatu (Devanāgarī: सप्तधातु) of the body.Ayurveda stresses a balance of three elemental energies or humors: vata (air & space – "wind"), pittha (fire & water – "bile") and kapha (water & earth – "phlegm").
RoyaleBengalTiger 8 months ago
@MuBa21 The complete details of embrayo and its development is present in both of the books "Chrak Sanhita and Susruta Sanhita under the titile "Garbhini Vyakarana(Development of embrayo)". Development of fetus is given in detail in Charak samhita in section called "Garbhava Kranti," and special regimens are prescribed for each month in the subsection" Garbhini Paricharya". There is complete details and related treatment for each month of embryo development in these books.
RoyaleBengalTiger 8 months ago
@RoyaleBengalTiger "WE created you Out of dust, then out of Sperm, then out of a leech-like Clot, then out of a morsel Of flesh, partly formed And partly unformed." [22:5]
MuBa21 8 months ago
@MuBa21 The fetus of elder brother of Lord Krishna was transfered from the womb of "Devki" to her lady called "Rohini". That is how even when Balram and Krishna was from two different mothers they were brothers. Hundreds of such references are available in ancient books, but as I told you Ayurveda, the books Charak samhita and susruta samhita contains complete details and treatment. I think this answer should be enough for you.
RoyaleBengalTiger 8 months ago
@RoyaleBengalTiger "Proclaim! In the name Of thy Lord and Cherisher, WHO created---Created man, out of A (mere) clot Of congealed blood." [96:1-2]
"Now let man but think From what he is created! He is created from A drop emitted --- Proceeding from between The back bone and the ribs." [86:5-7]
Testes/Ovaries are made near the kidney region.
MuBa21 8 months ago
@RoyaleBengalTiger
Was he not a drop Of sperm emitted? Then did he become A clinging clot; Then did (ALLAH) make And fashion In due proportion. And of him HE made Two sexes, male And female."[75:37-39]
HE makes you, In the wombs of your mothers, In stages, one after another, In three veils of darkness." [39:6]
Anterior Abdominal Wall of the mother, Uterine Wall, & Amniochorionic Membrane
MuBa21 8 months ago
@RoyaleBengalTiger "Man WE did create From a quintessence (of clay); Then WE placed him As ( a drop of) sperm In a place of rest, firmly fixed; Then WE made the sperm Into a clot of congealed blood; Then of that clot WE made A (foetus) lump; then WE Made out of that lump Bones and clothed the bones With flesh; then WE developed Out of it another creature. So blessed be ALLAH, The Best to create!" [23:12-14]
MuBa21 8 months ago
@MuBa21 Then of that clot WE made A (foetus) lump; then WE Made out of that lump Bones and clothed the bones With flesh--Here you go. Bones developed before, flesh. Is this true? Absolutely not. But get the history of all embryology and how this get into Quran. you blind people never try to know the truth. This is the exact copy of the the work on emborayology by "Galen" born in Turky in 1st AD. His works which spread in 16 books collection later been reached to arabia.
RoyaleBengalTiger 8 months ago
@MuBa21 Galen's works and other greek works been translated into "syrian' in 400-600 AD by, jews, Ghassanids and later Khosrus(kisras in arabic).Khosru I, (Arabic Kisra) King of Persia from 531-579, was known as Khosru the Great. His troops conquered areas as far away as Yemen. He also loved learning and started several schools.
RoyaleBengalTiger 8 months ago
@MuBa21 "The school of Jundi-Shapur became, during Khosru I's long reign of 48 years, the greatest intellectual center of the time. Within its walls Greek, Jewish, Nestorian, Persian and Hindu thought and experience were freely exchanged.Teaching was done largely in Syriac from Syriac translations of Greek texts."
RoyaleBengalTiger 8 months ago
@MuBa21 (The Role of the Nestorians and Muslims in the History of Medicine, Allen O. Whipple, 1967, Princeton Univ. Press, p. 16.) This meant that Aristotle, Hippocrates, and Galen were readily available when the medical school at Jundi-Shapur was operating during his reign.Harith ben Kalada and Nadr ben Harith were the educated people during mohamed who help bring those knowledge to locals during mohamed's time.
RoyaleBengalTiger 8 months ago
@MuBa21 Galen's work identified following stages of embrayo development:STAGE 1. The two semens STAGE 1b. plus menstrual blood STAGE 2. unshaped flesh STAGE 3. bones STAGE 3b. flesh grows on and around the bones and see the exact match in quran:STAGE 1. nutfa -- sperm STAGE 2. ‘alaqa -- clot STAGE 3. mudagha -- piece or lump of flesh STAGE 4. ‘adaam -- bones STAGE 5. dressing the bones with muscles, don't you see the exact match.
RoyaleBengalTiger 8 months ago
@MuBa21 Even before Galen, many greek scholars given complete details of embrayology(I am not mentioning hinduism here). ARISTOTLE identified embrayo development in following stages:STAGE 1. sperm STAGE 2. catamenia -- menstrual blood STAGE 3. flesh STAGE 4. bones STAGE 5. around the bones grow the fleshy parts
This too matching what is written in quran if not fully then partially at least.
RoyaleBengalTiger 8 months ago
@MuBa21 before ARISTOTLE, HIPPOCRATES(460 BC) given details of embrayology: HIPPOCRATES stages of embrayo development has following stages:STAGE 1. sperm STAGE 2. mother's blood descends around the membrane STAGE 3. flesh, fed through umbilicus STAGE 4. bones . I did not even mention the Chark samhita and susruta samhita which has all details of embrayo development and all related medicines and cures.
RoyaleBengalTiger 8 months ago
@MuBa21 There is "Garbh Puran" which is completely in this subject. Moral story is that embrayo is one of the subject, details about which is present since thousands yeas before Islam. All those quotes written in quran is the copy of the information gathered from here and there. What written in Quran is the exact copy of Galen's work which was made available in that part of the word between 400-500 AD.
RoyaleBengalTiger 8 months ago
@MuBa21 But if indeed what is written in Quran about embrayo is the poof of authenticity then there are other more releable work available. Galen's work was considered as the best work on emobrayology till 1300 AD till in recent discoveries this concept and hence the concept of Quran is proved wrong. Bone never comes into form before 6 weeks and yes, it never precedes flesh in development..
RoyaleBengalTiger 8 months ago
@MuBa21 Modern embrayology: Concerning the bone stage, it is clear, as Dr. Moore demonstrates so capably in his textbook, that muscles start forming from the somites at the same time as the cartilage models of the bones. There is no bone stage at which the limbs of the developing fetus are just bones around which muscles will later be placed.
RoyaleBengalTiger 8 months ago
@RoyaleBengalTiger "There is no bone stage at which the limbs of the developing fetus are just bones around which muscles will later be placed." - Wrong. First the bones form as cartilage models and then the muscles (flesh) develop around them from the somatic mesoderm.
MuBa21 8 months ago
This has been flagged as spam show
@MuBa21 Wrong. First the bones form as cartilage models and then the muscles (flesh) develop around them from the somatic mesoderm.--Well its not like that how written in Quran, but even with, its clear all such word written in Quran has been written thousands of years back, by Greeks, and Indians, and its nothing but a utter foolishness to call it discovery for something discovered thousand years back.I gave you the complete reference.
RoyaleBengalTiger 8 months ago
@MuBa21 If what is written about embrayology in 4-10 lines is the discovery, then I can write the gravitation farmula , much more in lines, and then claim that I discovered the gravitational concept and then call it miracle, miracle. similar way i can give many such sketchy references of everything and then claim everything my discovery. what if somebody has discovered it earlier? Since I get revelations and so only my words are correct, all earlier discoveries are void. isn';t it..
RoyaleBengalTiger 8 months ago
@RoyaleBengalTiger "I can write the gravitation farmula , much more in lines, and then claim that I discovered the gravitational concept and then call it miracle" - The Quran is a book of signs, not science. The Quran has much more to offer than just scientific notations and such. The Book is made for Guiding humanity.
MuBa21 8 months ago
@MuBa21 The Quran is a book of signs, not science. The Quran has much more to offer than just scientific notations and such-- Again you are changing poisition. Few days back you mention about the miracle of embrayology and miracle and hence the proof of authenticiy of Quran. Go to the net and see how much muslims are using this so called miracle of embrayo as the proof of Miracle. Now you are changjng words, and want me to expose your talks of so called signs too.
RoyaleBengalTiger 8 months ago
This has been flagged as spam show
@MuBa21 The Quran is a book of signs, not science---so Quran is book of sings, and so all those verses of Violence were also signs and that signs are invariable making it universal for the world domination of Islam and the destruction of all other religions and civilization. Over 1400 years of History it has been proved beyond doubts that so called signs are implemented all the time.
RoyaleBengalTiger 8 months ago
@MuBa21 the goal to achieve the world domination of Islam is continously. In present time it has taken forms of silent ethnic cleansing in mulsim dominated areas. through multiplication of popluation where they are in minority and through the means of terrorism. In earlier time the political conquests and the use of armed forces and the power of state used as the tools. It has never stoped, talking peaceful words is another strategies done as per Al-Taqia to fool people.
RoyaleBengalTiger 8 months ago
This has been flagged as spam show
@RoyaleBengalTiger "Few days back you mention about the miracle of embrayology and miracle and hence the proof of authenticiy of Quran." - I'm not side tracking anything. While it is true that Quran is a book of signs, and embryology is one of the signs that goes with science.
MuBa21 8 months ago
@MuBa21 It is equally clear, that ‘alaqa in the Qur'an means clot and that the Quraish who heard Muhammad speaking understood him to be referring to the menstrual blood as the female contribution to the developing baby.
RoyaleBengalTiger 8 months ago
@MuBa21 Now I want you to give me the details given in Quran about embrayo, which you are too excited and keep mentioning. I can give that reference but I like you to tell everybody what is that so called amazing discovery based on that you are trying to prove the authenticity of Quran.
RoyaleBengalTiger 8 months ago
This has been flagged as spam show
@RoyaleBengalTiger "No fool can suggest medicine without knowing about the physiology. There is full details of every part of body with exact description of embrayo" - You may want to give reference. Or else it's just a lie :P
MuBa21 8 months ago
@RoyaleBengalTiger No matter how much you say about Hinduism being older than Islam. It still goes to the fact that we Muslims believing Islam started way back when Adam was created. It's just the revelation wasn't fit to be completed till 1400 years ago.
So if anything it's you guys who copied the original texts.
MuBa21 8 months ago
This has been flagged as spam show
@MuBa21 guys who copied the original texts--We copiied from which texts? give me the name of the book form where vedas, bhagvat gita, upnishads is copied. there is no end of foolishness of you people. Since mohamed was knowing that its very difficult to justify Islam, he given this filthy comcept that islam was from start and he is renewing the law, think carefully, how much you people has been fooled.
RoyaleBengalTiger 8 months ago
@MuBa21 It still goes to the fact that we Muslims believing Islam started way back when Adam was created. It's just the revelation wasn't fit to be completed till 1400 years ago.--Can you think anything as foolish as this? If nothing then claim everything from very start as yours, who stops you. In fact read the verses, everything written in quran is complete regional in natures, forget about divine, its not universal even for earth and a vast area of earth.
RoyaleBengalTiger 8 months ago
@RoyaleBengalTiger "In fact read the verses, everything written in quran is complete regional in natures, forget about divine, its not universal even for earth and a vast area of earth. " - Regional it may be but the verses presented is actually quite Universal if you take the time to actually read and understand.
MuBa21 8 months ago
@MuBa21 Regional it may be but the verses presented is actually quite Universal if you take the time to actually read and understand.---That's interesting, so verses presented to cut fingers, slay heads are also universal. This finally proves the violence presents in Quran. Finally you yourself admits . Please don't take u-turn again by giving excuse of regional context and time, because one thing can not be contextual with place and time and universal at same time.
RoyaleBengalTiger 8 months ago
This has been flagged as spam show
@RoyaleBengalTiger "That's interesting, so verses presented to cut fingers, slay heads are also universal" - This finally proves you've been taking verses out of context. Try again.
MuBa21 8 months ago
@RoyaleBengalTiger Well when you say slay heads and cut fingers you don't understand its context. We're allowed to slay any offenders against us. It's called "Self Defense."
Also by "cutting fingers" you mean for the thieves. That only happens when someone steals something big in terms of matter, not some candy from a baby. Also it'll make the person think twice before he commits the act.
MuBa21 8 months ago
@MuBa21 We're allowed to slay any offenders against us--Well, nothing more you can say, and nothing more a evil and demonic minded people can say. About the defence? What is done in defence. Bunu kuraiyza community were buchered, who attacked whom? Kuraish karwan was attacked one after other 11 times, who was defensive. Places as far as sindh has been attacked and 20000 young women were brought back to arabia to satisfy the lust of lusty muslims, who attacked whom?
RoyaleBengalTiger 8 months ago
@RoyaleBengalTiger Not true at all. On the contrary, the Banu Qurayzah prior to the incident of their so-called "massacre" attempted to betray the Muslims by openly aligning themselves with the Confederate armies (consisting of the pagan Quraysh and their allies) during the beseiging of the city of Madinah, known in history as the "War of the Confederates"
(continued)
MuBa21 8 months ago
Comment removed
RoyaleBengalTiger 8 months ago
@MuBa21 Not true at all. On the contrary, the Banu Qurayzah prior to the incident of their so-called "massacre" attempted to betray the Muslims by openly aligning themselves with the Confederate armies (consisting of the pagan Quraysh and their allies--Ok, let first of all agree with you, suppose a ruler or leader breaks a pact, does this give enough reason to kill all people of the that state? Pacts are created and broken by leaders and not by people.
RoyaleBengalTiger 8 months ago
@RoyaleBengalTiger "Pacts are created and broken by leaders and not by people." - Yes but what you fail to see remotely is the fact that not only the pacts are broken during WAR TIME, they opposing force wanted to kill Muhammad and slay all the Muslims. That should be good enough reason to fight back. I'm telling you again "SELF DEFENSE" is okay.
MuBa21 8 months ago
@MuBa21 That should be good enough reason to fight back. I'm telling you again "SELF DEFENSE" is okay-if this is okay the way banu kurayza were killed then its perfectly ok for US to kill all people in Iraq, afghanistan and arabia because people from these country attacked us. and yes, to destrirbute all women to us solidiers, I think it should be perfectly fine.
RoyaleBengalTiger 7 months ago
@MuBa21 attempted to betray the Muslims--every single unarmed person above the age of puberty be killed one by one only because Muslims claim that they betrayed. So you accept that if any ruler breaks some pact, then all his people should be killed. It means based on the same ground US should kill all people in Iraq, afganistan because US too claim similar things, that these two nations try to harm US in one way or other.
RoyaleBengalTiger 8 months ago
@RoyaleBengalTiger First of all did you even bother looking at what the treaty said? They agreed each party will have their own religion, Jews and Muslims would be 1 community, and neither party would Aid each other's enemies, both party are responsible for their own expenses, and anybody who breaks this treaty will be punished.
The treaty is preserved by Historians.
MuBa21 8 months ago
@RoyaleBengalTiger (continued) This is an act of treason, because they had earlier pledged to uphold the Madinan Covenent with the Muslims, which stipulates cooperation and an alliance if the Muslims in Madinah were attacked by a foreign force.
MuBa21 8 months ago
@MuBa21 This is an act of treason -- Under which rule breaking a pact is act of treason, if indeed this was the act of treason, it gives enough reasons to butcher un-armed men one by one and later rape their women and sell in slave market. If this is true the most of the people should already been killed in today's world, because every year hundreds of pact been made and broken .
RoyaleBengalTiger 8 months ago
@MuBa21 "This is an act of treason, .....Madinah were attacked by a foreign force."--Who was foriener there? Isn't Mohamed was equally foreiner for medina as was kuraishy? I am not still talking of the exact pact, which itself is the biggest lies and conspiracy against the local tribes. But even if as per your words, it still shows that Banu kuraiyza was never comfortable with Mohamed, this itself proves automatically that he was not a peaceful and divine by any means.
RoyaleBengalTiger 8 months ago
@MuBa21 What he did to kill the people of Medina, who has given mohamed the shelter in the difficult time, is un-presented events in the history of human history. In no circumstances the host who gives shelter can be butchered like this even if he is found guilty. But Banu kuraiyza was not at fault at very first place. Even here when going through your words, you are trying to put the right and wrong be decided by Muslims from what they think, how this is so?
RoyaleBengalTiger 8 months ago
@MuBa21 What steps taken by Banu kuraiyza was a political decision and they think that is good for their future. There is no law in this world in any period which can prove that even if they broken pact with Mohamed be ever called treason? The act done by mohamed is demonic by any human standard and if such person is claimed to be prophet then its nothing less than the worst example of evil ever possible.
RoyaleBengalTiger 8 months ago
@RoyaleBengalTiger "What steps taken by Banu kuraiyza was a political decision and they think that is good for their future." - So you're saying it's okay for Banu Quraiza to attack and betray Muhammad and it's not for Muhammad to fight back and defend? This shows how much double standard you critics have.
MuBa21 8 months ago
@MuBa21 So you're saying it's okay for Banu Quraiza to attack and betray Muhammad to fight back and defend?--fight back? where was fight? Mohamed killed those people who surrendered and not all of them were fighting, I did not mention those killed in fight, He killed unarmed people, don't take the shadow of fight or war to hide such henious act.
RoyaleBengalTiger 7 months ago
This has been flagged as spam show
@RoyaleBengalTiger "Mohamed killed those people who surrendered and not all of them were fighting, I did not mention those killed in fight, He killed unarmed people, don't take the shadow of fight or war to hide such henious act. " - Are you stupid or something? I stated that the treaty specifically said whoever breaks the treaty gets punished. And for your information it wasn't Muhammad who gave the ultimatum, it was another person who used to be in the Banu tribe.
MuBa21 7 months ago
@RoyaleBengalTiger "Mohamed killed those people who surrendered and not all of them were fighting, I did not mention those killed in fight, He killed unarmed people, don't take the shadow of fight or war to hide such henious act. " - Did you forget the fact that the Quran explicitly said to not hurt the ones who SURRENDERED? 2:193 if you've forgotten. Also the decision was by an ex-Banu based on the Jewish Bible (Deuteronomy 20:10-14), not the Quran.
MuBa21 7 months ago
@MuBa21 Did you forget the fact that the Quran explicitly said to not hurt the ones who SURRENDERED--what rubbish is this? Banu kurayza unarmed people were killed and in reply you are giving this line? what does it show? The event happned in real can not be nutralised was what is written. Dont repeat the same thing, becuase there are hundreds or verses telling how to kill.
RoyaleBengalTiger 7 months ago
@RoyaleBengalTiger So notice the double standards and hypocrisy of you critics, you are attacking Muhammad for what happened to the Jews of Banu Qurayza, yet when this is in the own Bible you have no problem with it!
The Jewish tribe of Qurayza were judged by their own book, their own law (Deuteronomy 20:10-14) , their own tribesman (Not Muhammad) and if you feel this is something detestable then you should go attack the Bible and rip this ruling out of the book, not the Quran or Muhammad.
MuBa21 7 months ago
@MuBa21 100,000 hindus were taken out from houses and buchered by the invading army of Tamur lung, who invaded whom? Biggest university of the world and the biggest reservoir of the vast vedic knowledge has been burnt to just in 12th-13th centuries, is not this the biggest example of defense? The marvelous Vijaya nagar has be destroyed completely and more than 100,000 hindus buchered, is not this the example of defence of muslims.?
RoyaleBengalTiger 8 months ago
@RoyaleBengalTiger "is not this the example of defence of muslims.?" - What Muslims do and what the Quran says are different.
If there is a law that tells people to not steal, and the people steal, you don't blame the law, you blame the individual. Get that ridiculous notion/comparison out of your head.
MuBa21 8 months ago
@MuBa21 What Muslims do and what the Quran says are different.-- I was telling in last post that you will soon jump to Quran if you have no answer of the acts done by muslims. You jump to the Golden period of Mulsims to prove Quran when you are having no answer to justify Quran. In fact you yourself even after trying so much prove by all means that both Quran and hence the whole History of Mulsims is nothing but the example of evils.
RoyaleBengalTiger 8 months ago
This has been flagged as spam show
@RoyaleBengalTiger "You jump to the Golden period of Mulsims to prove Quran when you are having no answer to justify Quran" - Don't take my words out of context. I was simply refuting your allegation about Muslims not doing anything scientific ever. I'm showing how ignorant you are.
MuBa21 8 months ago
@MuBa21 What Muslims do and what the Quran says are different.--Few days back you were so proudly mentioned the Golden period of Mulsims and when I given you the reality of so called Golden period you jump to Quran. But from your words, atleast one thing is pretty clear, that the acts of muslims is all full of evils.
RoyaleBengalTiger 8 months ago
This has been flagged as spam show
@MuBa21 If there is a law that tells people to not steal, and the people steal, you don't blame -- Of course I can't blame if somebody do bad acts. But if that somebody is proudly claimed as the flag bearer of the Golden period of one religion then it'll be blamed. Those people who did such acts were none other the five of Calipha which are recognised by Islam very high there words are part of religion.
RoyaleBengalTiger 8 months ago
@MuBa21 you blame the individual. Get that ridiculous notion/comparison out of your head.--Those individuals were none other than Khaliphas of islam. and thousands of women who were captured were raped by them and sold into the market. I would like muslims to come forward and tell all those Kaliphas were evils and destroy their words and their works.
RoyaleBengalTiger 8 months ago
@MuBa21 Get that ridiculous notion/comparison out of your head.--- You don't have answer right? Well people know the answer, you don't have to tell. Because the moment muslims will have the answer they will also have the answer how evil the Islam is.
RoyaleBengalTiger 8 months ago
@MuBa21 As recently as in 1998 very rare live stone statues of buddhas were destroyed by muslims, it not this the example of great defense. All idols of mecca itself was destroyed none other than Mohamed, is not this the great example of judgement. The list is never ending to show the evils of Islam. Even in your words of so called defense the evil nature is pouring out. Don't talk of judgement,and justice, more you will talk more you will expose the evil nature of Islam.
RoyaleBengalTiger 8 months ago
@RoyaleBengalTiger "Don't talk of judgement,and justice, more you will talk more you will expose the evil nature of Islam." - The only thing I'm exposing is your ignorance towards Islam. All you do is Judge a Book by its cover.
Not every person you come in contact with or see in the news are true representations of his/her religion.
MuBa21 8 months ago
@MuBa21 The only thing I'm exposing is your ignorance towards Islam. All you do is Judge a Book by its cover.--Well I don't think the cover of Quran looks bad, I know how much you people trying to make this book look like divine. How much you people are telling lying to fool people. More you try more you people will be exposed. Everywhere in this world are now knowing the truth of evils hidden behind the fancy cover of this book, don't repeat your evil words.
RoyaleBengalTiger 8 months ago