League of Legends - S2 Jungle Ziggs

[DDFreddi]

No Pull on Blue?

You badass.

[captnt3rror]

how is this viable...

[Darthezrulesall]

you are tarzan

[BosonCollider]

Have you considered flat mana runes to help with his mana sustain? The blue buff gives you percentage based regen, so I can see them working out on ziggs. It would reduce his damage compared to AP runes and slow him down slightly, but it would also allow him to be a bit more spammy, and still have some mana saved up for ganks.

[abohnsen19]

@BosonCollider The blue buff gives 1 % mana regen and 25. They changed this in season 2, it was just 2 % mana regen in season 1. So don't do that.

[Killisen8]

What the fick u gonna play

[Azurada23rd]

so no to pick at it, but how is ZIggs' ability to gank? Pre- and Post-6?

[tibertruth]

@Azurada23rd well depends his satchel charge knock them abck you forward and your mine slow with a long range q and r so he could help lanes without going to them so decent ^^ but i havn;t played him this is just what common sense dictates

[Rekka7773]

@Azurada23rd From experience, it actually works really well, the mines, which are usually hard to hit well, work extremely well from behind, and the satchel mixed with them blocks a huge section that the enemy can actually go through, the bombs do a lot of damage, and since people usually run instead of attacking you, you get lottttss of damage in, and you can also use the c4 to escape from something dangerous. His ult doesn't change much about the way he ganks.

[Azurada23rd]

@Rekka7773 well, the ult kinda.does affect it some way. "Oh damn, he's at a sliver of health? NOT FOR LONG!!!"

[Rekka7773]

@Azurada23rd Yeah, but thats not really ganking, thats just trollin with your bombs XD so fun

[opsesivnokompulzivni]

is phreak related to u?

[RedJohnJk]

ahahaahaahahaahahaha

[LePwn4Life]

Sexy Music!

[lashiiiii]

What the hell is up with this music!? lol nice vid

[LastEl1x1r]

Are there any junglers you recommend going 21 into the defense tree for or can just about anyone go 21/9/0 now?

[WarLordSteel]

@LastEl1x1r Rammus is way better going 21 in the defense tree

[SwinubLoveShaymin]

Damn that is very nice bro!

[Vagoor3927]

When is jungle Annie? :|

[Rakshaleonheart]

what do you mean it doesn't like safe ? XD

[LouisOn3]

It makes me very sad that he clears faster than Shen.

[kcyam1996]

now gank n see how it does~

[Azurada23rd]

pardon the bad pun, but i was expecting the music to be a bit more... explosive

[slimshedim]

First Kevin MacLeod song, that I didn't find to be terribly annoying.

[SirAuv]

2:11 "What do you mean this doesn't look safe?"

[Hogia94]

and pheak didnt want ziggs jungle xD

[whitewind617]

Lol that quote at the end was just a perfect fit.

[BananenForEver]

Hello Stonewall, could you tell me a rune page that gives me a good setup for all the AD junglers? Atm I use my AD page with AD Reds and Quints and Armor Yellows. Thanks!

[OkamiSojirou]

@BananenForEver Different AD junglers requires different runes. Some are better with AS marks and ArPen Quints like Nocturne. There's no generic rune page for junglers (well most of them are sliiiiightly different). But armor yellows are essential :D

[Aspalari]

what do you mean "it doesn't look safe huh?" xD

[punchinpupun]

Stonewall thanks for doing your videos, I understand the jungle meta thanks to your variety of junglers. As a fan I have a video request: what about a ganking compilation with many champs? it would be awesome to see and very instructive

[stonewall008]

Please don't ask for a team battle - I want to make one but it's only possible once the replays start working again.

[Aurarice]

@stonewall008 Replays got updated.



[killerkonnat]

@stonewall008 Lolreplay DOES work and it was fixed before you posted this comment. Just go download the new version off the website.

[POMA267]

@stonewall008 Use Ace client for this, LolReplay is still compatible with it

U can get russian version (with Ace client ofc) here - lol-game.ru/ru-lol/

Big round button is for Download)

[jok3ster22]

@stonewall008 I believe the replays are working with the new patch lolreplay got 3 hrs after ri0t patch just thought id share in case someone didnt know

[CMWxFly]

Team battle NOW!

[BadGuy45]

The best part of the vid, when zigs says "What do you mean this doesn't look safe?". It sorta implies that his Jungling looks decent and safe when done properly

[Fla1lure]

Is ziggs more viable than karthus ? (I have seen snoopeh play karth a few times, pretty good ganks, easy to counter tho)

[Onimasha]

BEST WAY TO END VIDEO :D

*Wraiths die*

*Ziggs walks out of jungle*

Ziggs: What do you mean this doesn't seem safe? 

[alexandervv123]

GR1ND

[GreaTTeacherOniz88ka]

Can you take AP per level blue instead or not ?

[OkamiSojirou]

@GreaTTeacherOniz88ka would be way slower..

[0ld1eye]

lol @ tags. 'it seems like it works until he's nerfed so insane. adorable?'

[dotShinoda]

Holy shit that was fast... is his ganking any good though? I mean, his kit looks pretty amazing for ganks

[jesternario]

So, since you never really say unless they're really crap junglers, do you consider Ziggs to be decent in jungling? What are the pros and cons to using him if he's at all viable in that role?

[TheBrimstorm]

Quite simple, get a manaless ap mid or someone who hardcounters most aps (talon, panth, GP) since you'll be having an AP in the jungle = profit. AP junglers who depend on blue can have a really twisted composition to fit them in. Get something like rumble top, ziggs jung, GP mid and any bot lane and you're good to go with a real strong aoe composition with at least 3 huge range spells :P.

[numenhilmar]

How come attack speed reds?

[85mageproductz]

@numenhilmar to get more auto attacks in inbetween spells i assume >.<

[kekkan93]

@numenhilmar guess

[Lukeschedel]

@numenhilmar passive

[TheInnerQi]

He's def. a solid starting jungler but if he doesn't have blue then he's sunk.

What do you build the cloth armor into? And what items do you follow up on him? He has no sustain unless you build a hextech :/

[TheEponet]

@TheInnerQi You even get the cloth armour in an actual game. You'd get a leash and start regrowth/health potion, boots/3 pots, or amplifying tome/potion.

The cloth is just there since he's doing a completely unassisted jungle

[somanyyoucantcount]

@TheEponet Actually, I think that you still go cloth and 5 assisted.

[xblizkx]

I assume a team battle ziggs will be coming soon

[ACInspire]

Team Battle Ziggs?

[felixAUT]

and what does he without blue?

[Rottweilerzs]

His ganks will probably be like he jumps in (W) throws E and Q and finishes with R (or without)

[fathersky5]

Wow, he can jungle surprisingly well. Probably has some fairly solid ganks, too...

[aitshi]

So what's his Tier?

[100mLTbolt]

Ziggs will be nerfed for sure.

[Skovskyn]

amagad on top with olaf jungling? Oo

[PAMaster1000]

"Welcome to the S2 Ziggs Spotlight. My name is Stonewall, and I play Ziggs as a Jungler."

[spoonfyter]

Whaddya mean this doesn't look safe?

[Xskillna]

My favorite part about Ziggs is the tendency for other players to spam laugh around Ziggs because when he walks around, Ziggs will randomly laugh XD.

[AC3D101]

Stonewall, is jungle talon viable? It seems to me that with the (not so) new jungle, and his rake which has good aoe would provide for a decent jungle time, and also his ganks would be very good as well (silence jump + slow and vision).

[DesapeMiseryFans]

@AC3D101 he has a very considerably slow speed in the jungle. and junglers that have a good counter jungling scale like leesin and shaco would have wrecked talon.

[DIChronicAddict1]

I wish the mines didn't despawn so fast.

[Clairissablaze]

Have you tried using him in a real game at all yet? His W and E can probably really mess with people, but does he have the ability to finish them off, or can he only deny/harass a lane?

[PmoneyProductionZ]

@Clairissablaze I just tried him out, 4/2/4 surrender at 20. I didn't think it was very effective. I got the cloth armor and was like wtf do I build with this. I was struggling a bit, ziggs is squishy as hell in the jungle, so I got razors. Bad idea. With a differnt build he'd be much more successful.

[Protoman125]

@PmoneyProductionZ you could probably build the cloth armor into a frozen heart later on :/ lol all the other items built from cloth armor seem usless on ziggs

[stonewall008]

@SuppliesAttack no it's not

[Machimachina]

Blue Ziggs: Anyone have a match? >:)

Purple Shyvana: Why certainly.

ZIGGS HAS BEEN SLAIN

[Maj0rskillz]

But is it viable? Check the tags.

[KneeOJustice]

real view amount: 10,198

Lol, and that's just on his blog.

[stonewall008]

@KneeOJustice A Yordle AP champion that can actually jungle decently = lots of views ;)

[Rbrt2k]

You try this runes and masteries on Fizz? idk, im little obsessed with him, lol!

[xiocx1]

is he op? also AwEsOmE SaUcE DuDe!

[iKyoryuKukki]

Would ganking be ok on him, I can see him being better then Cass, I would enjoy you input on this.

[baxser91]

Wow he didnt come out in Europe yet and you already have jungle guide, great job

[frootEpebbles]

he was oom with blue buff x.x

[dpgerarddp]

@frootEpebbles That happens to a bit of junglers.

[oOoIIoOo]

"What do you mean this doesn't look safe?"

[LiedPwNzU]

would magic pen reds work instead of atspeed?

[loglog7]

@KneeOJustice He is squishy, a small slow, he has slow base move speed and he's easily ganked so not really, he's more of a troll jungle

[haddick90]

Not availible on EU server still waiting for update germany time is now 0:00

[Dota2SecretChannel]

TEAM BATTLE ZIGGS NOW

[haarbal1997]

Am I the only one who thinks about Mario when he sees this guy?

[metapickachu]

Once you have a few games with him, please tell us if is actually that good of a jungler.

[KneeOJustice]

What is your opinion of Ziggs as a jungler? Do you think he is good, or are you just adding him because you add every champion anyway? I was wondering if he is a viable choice.

[MrLegendaryMage]

@KneeOJustice Hint is to look at the tags, he is normaly telling what he rly thinks about the champ there.

[AlvinD28]

pretty lame champ imo

[Njnetsfan15]

Did you try getting E first? Just wondering.

[stonewall008]

@Njnetsfan15 you can get 3 Qs by the time you get a second E. That equates to more reliable damage AND a faster passive.

[7zot]

"what do you mean"this doesent look safe?"?" made my day :P

[mtbrain62]

Even jungling looks fun on him. :D

[Lana181]

Thats pretty fast:)

[oozku]

Is it just me or did that actually look not so horrybad?

[archer111000]

Which are better: furry, or smooth skinned yordles?

[DerUnbekannteFlo]

Anyone that has Problems comin into the Game, close LoLReplay, thats the main reason

[superllama190]

Nice job Stone :D

[NeSo8D]

2:10 he answers the question whether its safe or not :p

[Kamekification]

btw jungle rumble anytime soon? I really wanna see Rumble in the jungle (failpun intended).

[stonewall008]

@Kamekification please, i wish people would stop asking for X junglers. I'm working my way through every champion. I have to pace myself.

[Haha24beast5]

@stonewall008 take ur time bro, I thank you for your jungling vids and the time u put into them also.

[lennygel666]

@stonewall008 hey can you please do jungle riven S2?

you don't have one yet and I suck so I'd like to know how to do riven jungle in S2

[PvPArt]

@lennygel666 He has jungle riven S2 idiot...

[stonewall008]

@lennygel666 don't say "you don't have one yet" if you haven't even bothered to search for it.

[foxzigare]

Could you do a teamfight jungle Ziggs? I would like to see how he does when he have been jungling if its worth buying :]

[shildBODY]

@Stonewall008 what doyou think of a ziggs jungler cuz in my eyes hes pretty good at it

[dallas118owns]

Actually pretty fast!

[HellooooooEveryone]

Now for ganking would you use your jump to go in or to reposition the enemy?

[stonewall008]

@HellooooooEveryone you can use it depending on the situation

[ToxicFlyman]

Your vids are great but have tried to render them out in widescreen so there is no bars on the side? not hating i was just wondering.

[stonewall008]

@ToxicFlyman the program i use to render the videos can't do that :/

[ToxicFlyman]

@stonewall008 What program do you use? Also try Sony Vegas, ive tried it and its very easy to render stuff out in.

[stonewall008]

@ToxicFlyman sony vegas - i would have to buy it first. I actually just use the built in program for the computer

[ToxicFlyman]

@stonewall008 Oh I understand, well I still like your vids either way. :) also one question, is ziggs any good? i wanna buy him.

[robcio150]

@stonewall008 And now u will get shitload of answers from kids, who will tell you, that you just could download it, CAUSE ITS NOT STEALING, AT ALL.

[tfoksieloy]

Now that is properly fast.

[Kamekification]

Karthus or ziggs? Both have troll ults and as you said can work in the jungle.

[Oookeer]

Hi, I'm stonewall and i play Ziggs as a jungler!

[RebbelReb]

AP Junglers look so fun... I just always ebnd up dying horribly

[AciDSk84LF]

Would his jungle be viable with a dorans ring or something like that?

[Gamed92]

seems legit

[williamwzl]

What do you mean this doesn't look safe?

[willytayloy]

OP!!!

[redsthename]

I would love to see him as a viable jungler

[frostdragn]

How long does it take you to find a song stonewall? The songs match so well :D

[stonewall008]

@frostdragn this one was very easy - I was saving this for something "metallish"

[Midaspl]

@stonewall008 Any upcoming DotA2 films?

[iSchneeball]

Is he 3150? Ive heard he is but patch not at EU yet :/

[stonewall008]

@iSchneeball this is riot. What do you think he costs?

[RocceNinja]

"What do know mean that doesn't look safe?" his last sentence is kind of epic

[an0nim0uz]

Do you share Ego Ignaxio's twisted lust for Yordles, Stonewall?

[Eysc]

wow hes fast has hell.

[9mmFistcuffs]

best ending quote EVER.

[1Regards]

Would you recommend a regrowth + pot start if you have a leash?

[stonewall008]

@1Regards definitely

[TWICKY97]

how can you play him he is not out yet?

[ImTheWackhead]

@TWICKY97 he's released on the NA server.

[wizzkiller92]

@TWICKY97 american servers tard

[KisKano5]

01:00 op move/idea

nice video Sir !

[xToxicalz]

Make a jungle twitch route :D

[adriancoo]

So he is realy good in Jungel ?

[mariodude89]

fuck this guys voice

[daggeron98]

he seems like he'll actually work until he's nerfed so insane adorable :D

[PROsnipekid]

Ziggs not on EU ftw..... =/

[PitLetsPlays]

@PROsnipekid We get him tomorrow, keep your pants on.

[PROsnipekid]

@PitLetsPlays aint got RP or IP anyway... but he seems like a nice addition to the game, might buy him once i saved up another 6.3k IP ^^

[MacShove]

Hey, stonewall008, i can't find a jungle twitch route on your channel, could you please do that?

[b133221333123111]

How does Ziggs feel to you as a champ in general? I'm 500 IP off from getting him myself. Any nerfs in his future?

[MrWithoutspaces]

@b133221333123111 i would wait untill free champ rotation >_> if they will nerf him it will be right after his champ rotation..

[robbandstucky]

Anyone else think his auto attacks should do a small amount of aoe?

[Z0DIACV2]

"whadaya mean this doesn't look safe"

[MrWickeedd]

What about a shen s2?

[spideyninja]

Could you please post (if not a team battle) a video showing him actually ganking people?

[tsukasaru2]

you and your Kevin MacLeod

[DjTwarog]

I can't wait to earn some IP, sooo stfu Riot and take my money

[Kamakratas]

ohh i don't need to watch phreaks spotlight... just watch stonewalls jungleguide 5 hours later and u know everything about the champ without phreak^.^

[raydredX]

@Kamakratas I especially liked how stonewall positioned and used his W and his R.

[caduceusguru]

Stonewall, watching your videos really is just...

*sunglasses*

a blast

YEAAAAAHHHHHH

[CaiusTSR]

Not bad.

[harmofwill36]

Could you do a poppy guide sometime? Id really like some tips...

[stonewall008]

@harmofwill36 jungle poppy is very mediocre

[RobinLitland]

@stonewall008

We still want it :D

[Manhuntzor]

@stonewall008 How come you consider poppy very mediocre? She's not top pick ofc, but her clear speed is above average (just slightly faster than GP, but safer), and her ganks are not that terrible either, especially ganking top/bot lane where getting an E stun is more common. She could easily be tier 2

[stonewall008]

@Manhuntzor GP is slower and her ganks are pretty bad honestly. The dash is very situational. Her ultimate does allow her to do crazy turret dives.

She's pretty lacking in a lot of areas especially clearing. Her dueling is variable depending on where she's fighting too.

[animearchangel]

@stonewall008 we'd still like to see a jungle poppy guide stonewall. i'd personally like to see your take on how she should go. also maybe a little insight on how she should gank, people dont seem to understand that her E is a skill shot, not just a gap closer.

[stonewall008]

@animearchangel I'm really tired of people asking for videos though. The reason some haven't come out yet is because they are low priority. I'm nearing the last ones that I have to release - but I have to pace myself.

Releasing them in bulk has resulted in low views for a few and that's painful for me (have to hit at least 10k or i get whipped).

Poppy is coming - just not yet.

@harmofwill36 I like to get boots first, then have your red leashed. You'll be lvl 2