Volvo Develops New Green Racing Car for 2008 STCC Season

[captainalbator]

The biggest criticism against E85 has been the reduced horsepower and lower MPG that it gets compared to gasoline. Is the engine that Volvo has in the C30 been upgraded or altered to get comparable MPG?

[orangemarmaladesky]

One of the criticisms is completely wrong. E85 has an octane rating higher than regular premium gasoline. The other part has some truth to it, you do see a fuel economy reduction in flex fuel engines, but not in engines built specifically for E85.

[captainalbator]

That I did not know. And that's very interesting. I'm seeing FlexFuel vehicles more and more here (NY City area), but there aren't a whole lot of E85 petrol stations.

[julosx]

I drive a Flexifuel Ford Focus (the Volvo C30 is similar) and believe me, you'll never find a better juice than E85 to run an internal combustion engine. Where I live, it's made from sugar beet, so don't worry about rainforests (there isn't any in Europe, BTW).

[Xekeo]

ta mere la pute qui cuse dans les catacmbes

[JENSSCHLAU]

Nice cars.

[dccodring21]

It would be nice to see if Volvo would return to the btcc, seeing as Seat are running Leon diesel works cars and compare that and the C30 performance wise.

[julosx]

I think that the diesel Leons, despite their turbo swindle, will be no match for the C30s.

[nataliyanataliya333]

For an alternative way of fueling a car, please go in google browser and type the following: "runacaronwaterfuel"

[BabyJompa]

I've seen that blue car in real life :D.

[bydwuT]

aLL o arabalari gotunee sok eemmii :D

[bydwuT]

aLL o arabalari gotunee sok eemmii :D

[cocklessmoose]

i love cars, racing and alternative fuels...why the fuck would i care about this?

[shadowal3x]

dog shit

[brunofilleti]

Hi, I'm a Brazilian guy =).

Just to be in fact, the "green" engine is old, in brazil cars can run with alcohol, gasoline, and petroleum gas (not gasoline Gas, is almost as the kitchen gas, not propane).. so this is not novelty, but i applause their effort.

In fact alcohol can get more power from the engine than gasoline.

If don't believe in me check out, the word is a huge place, and some countries just leave in their shell, and don't see and gets what the nest door is doing. =)

[Lundix]

But the alcohol engine is a bad idea nonetheless. Where do you think they'll get the organic substances? It's kinda ironic that you're Brazillian, because that is probably where they'll get it. They'll grow corn etc on the naked spots of the rainforests. But, due to the thin layer of fertile earth, they'll only get three, maybe four harvests, and then the land will be left with nothing to build with, erroding slowly and becoming desert area.

[TheSmoonge]

Actually, Lundix, Brazil, along with most of South America has been using ethanol for more than 15 years successfully, and guess what? They get the ethanol from SUGAR CANE, which produces much more ethanol per weight than corn. Get your facts before smarting off.

[Lundix]

Doesn't change the fact that there isn't enough nutrition in the earth to supply for engines. Okay, they use sugar canes. It doesn't really matter. And to clarify: I wasn't trying to "smart off", I was simply expressing why I think ethanol is a bad idea for commercial use. The needs of the locals might get satisfied, but you can bet your ass that big companies will exploit the low prices, and then the environment in those areas will be threatened.

[alienmode]

@TheSmoonge yea because there are plenty of places in the US with the climate to grow "SUGAR CANE".. they'll just have to get rid of hundreds of thousands of miles of tracts of corn land and change the weather a little bit first... FUCKING FAG

[TheSmoonge]

@alienmode why the hate and name calling? All I'm saying is that it's successfully been done. I'm not saying we should do that in America, but there are alternatives to corn that researchers have come up with. We import most of our oil from the Middle East, why not import Sugar Cane from other countries like Hawaii, Fiji, Haiti, Dominican Republic, Jamaica, Guadalupe, Guyana, Belize, Barbados, and the continent of South America? BEEPING BEEP!!! (censored myself)

[alienmode]

@TheSmoonge because if any of those 'brown' companies ever exercise any sort of sovereignty then i cant buy a corvette?

[TheSmoonge]

@alienmode you can, just hope that GM comes up with a better solution to what's available right now.

[TheVeneth]

lundix, you honestly seems to me that you are getting payed for this :)) otherwise you would not loose such a remark :)) my dear friend!!! there are whole lands of fields anywhere you look!! you have the armies of farmers who rebeling for sustainable their jobs!! how can you even say such a nonsense!! Do you have any idea how much untouched fields lying freely in Poland, Ukraine, Belarus, Romania, Bulgaria.. and not mentioning France and Spain.. WAKE UP MAN!!

[Lundix]

@TheVeneth Wops, totally forgot this discussion ... Well, to sum it up: Using ethanol as fuel isn't all that different from using petrol, as far as sustainability goes. You take something out of the earth, you process it a bit, and then you burn it. None of the energy is returned, and so the level of fertile earth will be reduced over time. Electricity from solar panels and turbines is the way to go in my opinion. We won't run out of sunlight, wind, or gravity. Not any time soon anyway.

[TheVeneth]

@Lundix Well, what you say here is simply not true.. etanol is basicly fully sustainable.. why? cos the plants (corn etc.) you used in fermentation will grow up again without any loss anywhere.. just get real.. again spamming here with nonsense, so people who would be potentially interested will lost the interest.. again if someone denies this.. is either dumb or hold for oil lobbyists.. "screech" simples!!

[Lundix]

@TheVeneth You haven't studied much biology or ecology, have you ... well, this wouldn't be a suitable forum anyway. We have differing opinions, let's leave it at that.

[TheVeneth]

@Lundix I agree.. but just let me use here plain logic.. You suggesting biology and ecology.. Why you are not suggesting it to regard of oil industries? or you consider etanol more dangerous to ecology? and what way? when you have dozens of developing countries who just waiting to any investments to be done.. where most of people living there are suitable to work in farming and horticulary anyway? i mean, c'mon.. just leave it.. for your own good..

[ultimategama15]

Volvo For Life

[TheFORC3]

lol...

[captainalbator]

Or at least until they get bought by the Chinese :(