Masterantonio, i understand your frustration. Every company that goes in conflict with its union have no choice to put a plan B on side in case negociation does not come up up with a win win situation for both parties. Finacially the company once having its Aircraft on Ground this create a huge losses and could impact MEA's financial performance/health in short and medium term. If both parties are not able to come up with a solution a mediator must intervene to settle down the case.
No Bilateral agreement yet. In the other hand the main issue is related to security. Even Air Canada the flag carrier of Canada want it to have a direct flight to Beirut, but last minute all plan was put on ICE. There are some political issue in the fact that and A/C registered in Lebanon get a direct flight to North America. The are some legal issue related to new Anti Terrorism that made MEA not able to fly directly to Canada. In the other hand Jordan and Egypt have clearance for direct flight
maltouch,i recall flying on a CedarJet 74 to New York with less than 50 passengers (out of a 350 capacity). It just wasnt viable to keep 3 big machines like that running when you could fill them for only 3 months in the year. Factor in maintenance costs, insurance costs, absence of economies of scale, training costs and you get the picture. There is nothing untoward about letting them go, just sound business sense. All a result of the years of turmoil that Lebanon experienced in the eighties.
1)Mima, Thanks for you prompt feedback. You raised very interesting and relevant point. I agree with you regarding that the total operating cost is high but still the cost per passenger flown miles is less when you have a 747 flying a long distance and that of course when you have a reasonable load factor around 80%. The NYC-Bey OD market is not really a market were you have a high demand especially in the 70's and 80's and that what mainely make that the route not profitable.
2) NYC-Bey route is simply a non profitable route not because of the A/C type but mainly because of a unplanned decision that led to bad route selection and therefore cost the company losses. If today your allowed to get a direct flight from Bey-Detroit for example the situation will be different since throw years this area in the state had dramatically changed from a social-econo point of view combined with a high presence of an Arab and Lebanese community at this stage you can use a 747!
3) Continuous market study is one of the critical factor that need to be taken in consideration during the planing and operation phases. I believe that Brazil-Lebanon market is very profitable market for MEA and not at all comparable to NYC-Bey market back days. Economy of scales is important if you would like to optimize your operating cost and make your revenue depend on high volume with low fares and that's critical for Low Cost Carrier operating with high frequency in short haul routes
Maltouch....in its heyday, MEA used to own 3 747-200 combis. They used to fly a variety of scheduled and charter routes (including Beirut - New York, nonstop) and kept the company alive during the 80s when they were leased out to Saudia. the planes were sold to a bank and leased bank, subsequently let go in the late eighties as MEA reequipped with Airbus. bad management/corruption, as you say, wasn't a factor. merely the company's changing fortunes meant it didn't need them anymore.
IMimatima, I still don't understand the fact why they leased them and do not operate them any more! Is it for security reason during the war, i don't think so, since they were still operating another A/C type. The only reason to lease your aircraft out, is because you are canceling long haul routes for many reasons such decrease in load factor due to market deterioration, legal reasons like cancellation of the bilateral agreement between both Lebanon and the other country, etc.
Also, even if MEA had political trouble in operating to NYC, that does not mean that there no more long haul attractive market! I'm confident that operating from Bey to Brazil direct flight was making load factor on such aircraft very high, plus the fact that your unit(passeger) operating expenses is very low since the A/C could accommodate a lot of passenger and running for long distance make its turnaround high plus that fact that Aeronautical fees paid to the Brazil airport authority is low
In conclusion big aircraft in long haul market (long distance) are very efficient in term of operating expense and it's revenue is high since the Load factor is also high ( big volume of passenger between south America and Lebanon)so there is no real reason of leasing these A/C!Also dont forget Australia-Lebanon Market these A/C could be very efficient I wonder how such "non transparent" decision has been taken,i'm raising concern and start ask a lot of question toward MEA team!To bad decision!
They use to a have a Boeing 747-200, but bad management at that time, or corruption or other aspects related maybe to costs made the B747-200 to be sold in a very sheep price!!
Imagine they leased after 1 A310 and two other 321 or 320. Any how the management has changed right now, but still a lot room for improvement. Hoping that they new had a lesson learned from the past!
إبن لشرموطة محمد لحوت جايب طيارين من باكستان والهند تيطيرو طائرتنا وعم يدفعلن ١٠٠٠ دولار باليوم زائد اوتيل وأكل وشرب تيركع طيارين لبنان
masterantonio1 1 year ago
Masterantonio, i understand your frustration. Every company that goes in conflict with its union have no choice to put a plan B on side in case negociation does not come up up with a win win situation for both parties. Finacially the company once having its Aircraft on Ground this create a huge losses and could impact MEA's financial performance/health in short and medium term. If both parties are not able to come up with a solution a mediator must intervene to settle down the case.
maltouch 1 year ago
wow love it
klamata88 1 year ago
why MEA dont fly to Montreal Canada ?
sergiocell1 1 year ago
No Bilateral agreement yet. In the other hand the main issue is related to security. Even Air Canada the flag carrier of Canada want it to have a direct flight to Beirut, but last minute all plan was put on ICE. There are some political issue in the fact that and A/C registered in Lebanon get a direct flight to North America. The are some legal issue related to new Anti Terrorism that made MEA not able to fly directly to Canada. In the other hand Jordan and Egypt have clearance for direct flight
maltouch 1 year ago
may i ask but what happened to our 747's now ? , are they solled or put in storage plz reply
user5311 2 years ago
They are sold unfortunately, we do not operate such aircraft anymore.
maltouch 2 years ago
maltouch,i recall flying on a CedarJet 74 to New York with less than 50 passengers (out of a 350 capacity). It just wasnt viable to keep 3 big machines like that running when you could fill them for only 3 months in the year. Factor in maintenance costs, insurance costs, absence of economies of scale, training costs and you get the picture. There is nothing untoward about letting them go, just sound business sense. All a result of the years of turmoil that Lebanon experienced in the eighties.
mimatimas 2 years ago
1)Mima, Thanks for you prompt feedback. You raised very interesting and relevant point. I agree with you regarding that the total operating cost is high but still the cost per passenger flown miles is less when you have a 747 flying a long distance and that of course when you have a reasonable load factor around 80%. The NYC-Bey OD market is not really a market were you have a high demand especially in the 70's and 80's and that what mainely make that the route not profitable.
maltouch 2 years ago
2) NYC-Bey route is simply a non profitable route not because of the A/C type but mainly because of a unplanned decision that led to bad route selection and therefore cost the company losses. If today your allowed to get a direct flight from Bey-Detroit for example the situation will be different since throw years this area in the state had dramatically changed from a social-econo point of view combined with a high presence of an Arab and Lebanese community at this stage you can use a 747!
maltouch 2 years ago
3) Continuous market study is one of the critical factor that need to be taken in consideration during the planing and operation phases. I believe that Brazil-Lebanon market is very profitable market for MEA and not at all comparable to NYC-Bey market back days. Economy of scales is important if you would like to optimize your operating cost and make your revenue depend on high volume with low fares and that's critical for Low Cost Carrier operating with high frequency in short haul routes
maltouch 2 years ago
Maltouch....in its heyday, MEA used to own 3 747-200 combis. They used to fly a variety of scheduled and charter routes (including Beirut - New York, nonstop) and kept the company alive during the 80s when they were leased out to Saudia. the planes were sold to a bank and leased bank, subsequently let go in the late eighties as MEA reequipped with Airbus. bad management/corruption, as you say, wasn't a factor. merely the company's changing fortunes meant it didn't need them anymore.
mimatimas 3 years ago
IMimatima, I still don't understand the fact why they leased them and do not operate them any more! Is it for security reason during the war, i don't think so, since they were still operating another A/C type. The only reason to lease your aircraft out, is because you are canceling long haul routes for many reasons such decrease in load factor due to market deterioration, legal reasons like cancellation of the bilateral agreement between both Lebanon and the other country, etc.
maltouch 2 years ago
Also, even if MEA had political trouble in operating to NYC, that does not mean that there no more long haul attractive market! I'm confident that operating from Bey to Brazil direct flight was making load factor on such aircraft very high, plus the fact that your unit(passeger) operating expenses is very low since the A/C could accommodate a lot of passenger and running for long distance make its turnaround high plus that fact that Aeronautical fees paid to the Brazil airport authority is low
maltouch 2 years ago
In conclusion big aircraft in long haul market (long distance) are very efficient in term of operating expense and it's revenue is high since the Load factor is also high ( big volume of passenger between south America and Lebanon)so there is no real reason of leasing these A/C!Also dont forget Australia-Lebanon Market these A/C could be very efficient I wonder how such "non transparent" decision has been taken,i'm raising concern and start ask a lot of question toward MEA team!To bad decision!
maltouch 2 years ago
maltouch, looks like your a great fan of MEA and our lovely Beirut INT AIRPORT
Beyrouteh 4 years ago
Sahhh...maltouch tayaran, Specially Tayaran Watani, Ta3mtoo Ahla!!
maltouch 2 years ago
nice video!!
gchcorp 4 years ago
great video.. however one doubt.. howcome they dont have the new boeing 747 in the new livery? because it was in one of your pictures.
adamtrad 5 years ago 2
They use to a have a Boeing 747-200, but bad management at that time, or corruption or other aspects related maybe to costs made the B747-200 to be sold in a very sheep price!!
Imagine they leased after 1 A310 and two other 321 or 320. Any how the management has changed right now, but still a lot room for improvement. Hoping that they new had a lesson learned from the past!
maltouch 5 years ago