V-RADIO interview with Jacque Fresco Part 1.

[Simmonique]

If I could make a wish, then it would be that Jacques could have the eternal life :-)

[jacarandamaxi]

World Lecture Tour - Lisbon

Movement Zeitgeist Portugal welcome Jacque Fresco at Lisbon 3 July 2010

zeitgeistportugal(dot)org

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[binslick]

Jacque Has The Experience The Knowledge and The Common Sense to back up Everything he says.Regardless of Race,Color or Creed everyone has The Same Basic Needs and The Venus Project Provides that.

[screenflicker1]

he didn't really reply to the question of over population

[Leveer13]

We deal with over population through education.

[screenflicker1]

That was fast. Thank you. Sounds far fetched though.

[Cradle2Venus]

solid statistics show that the lower the cost of survival, infant mortality rates, and level of violence in a region have a much higher influence on childbirth (which in turn might create overpopulation)

If someone is in a war-torn, very poor and has no access to medical facilities, they are more likely to procreate as often as possible.

People who are rich, live in peace and free healthcare tend to have much fewer children.

While regional traditions hold true, it is only to a minor extent.

[screenflicker1]

Thanks!

[Gine012]

@Leveer13 What he means with over population and education is that when people are educated, they will not have to many children. Maybe 3 the most.

[itsadeadmansparty]

@screenflicker1 over population doesnt exist yet, if 2.2 persons die every second, and 1.3 are being born in north america, remember you must replenish the ones who left, if 20 die and only 10 are born then its not over population. There is a ton of misinformation about over population and carbon monoxide, btw global warming is determined by the sun's radiation and we do not have the technology to stop the sun from shining, its completely natural part of the way solar systems work,

[screenflicker1]

@itsadeadmansparty AGW denier

[itsadeadmansparty]

@screenflicker1 AGW? What u talking about, Global warming? what explain, im not psychic, Global warming exist but its determined by the sun, and unless you think you have technology able to changing the sun, its just nature,

we have had volcanoes in the past 1000 years put out more CO2 then all the men cars tanks put together, nothing humans do to earth will cause earth itself to stop nature, we may die but other living things wont

[itsadeadmansparty]

@screenflicker1 Here is the science, Do you agree Ice Ages occurred Ever?

Do you agree that earth itself didnt cause the Ice Age, it was the Sun and Earth Orbit that causes the lack of radiation to warm earth? Okay then we both agree, its called Orbital Variance Theory, okay to start if the Earth just left the Quaternary ice age, like 99% of scientist agree on then we left the peak of ice age and are now moving to the peak of warming, simple science when you study this, i could go on if you like

[screenflicker1]

@itsadeadmansparty the scientific consensus (more than 90%) is AGW exists and is responsbile for Global warming. I am not a scientist but i go with the science

[itsadeadmansparty]

@screenflicker1 Second time asking you the same question,

WHAT IS AGW?

WHAT THE HELL IS THAT ACRONYM

EXPLAIN WHAT IT SPELLS

Btw Global Warming isnt caused by humans, it contributes to the warming effect but is not caused by humans, The sun is the reason of global warming, i can explain further if you want to learn something, I can explain using facts that global warming Is Natural effect on Earth. I can give you more explanation if you want to learn the truth,

[screenflicker1]

@itsadeadmansparty Calm down! ever heard of google? try that sometimes, lol. AGW stands for anthropogenic global warming. Your explanation doesn't mean shit. Sorry. Bible explains how universe was created, we both know how much that means. What matters is the scientific consensus. If 99% scientists agree that Global warming is anthropogenic and 1 doesn't, than I have to go with the 99%, period. If the scientific consensus changes tomorrow in the light of new evidence, than I'll go with the new.

[itsadeadmansparty]

@screenflicker1 Wow, anthropogenic global warming or Paleoclimatology explained in the encyclopedia, is party true, but your putting much too much blame on humans, Do you realize that volcanoes have erupted in the past that put out 10 times the CO2 man has made in the last 100 years? Paleoclimatology Is the Truth, Global warming is Caused by the Sun, Mainly the position of Earth and The Sun, You see we just left the Quaternary Ice Age, now we are moving toward warming, like i said Natural.

[screenflicker1]

@itsadeadmansparty The sceintists are aware of all that and they have their reasonings in believing that AGW is true. Who am I to question scientific consensus? If I want to question, i must do a sincere study of the entire environmental science. Since I can't do that, I have to trust the scientific consensus. And you should too, because I bet, you're not an environmental scientist.

[itsadeadmansparty]

@screenflicker1 Wait all i am saying is it happens because of nature, we didnt cause the earth to warm, we contributed to the speed its warming but did not make the root cause of warming, Earth Will Naturally Go Into Ice Ages and Warmings, All Scientist agree 100% that earth left the Quaternary Ice Age, and That if you move toward warming then duh earth begins to warm

[itsadeadmansparty]

@screenflicker1 Me and your 99% Scientist agree completely, but who are you blaming? If you think 99% of scientist agree Humans 100% Caused the Global Warming then your wrong, Most who studied Paleoclimatology do not agree Humans alone create Global Warming, Thats Science fact

[itsadeadmansparty]

@screenflicker1 UC San Diego, shows that the last four great ice age cycles began when Earth’s distance from the sun during its annual orbit became great enough to prevent summertime melts of glacial ice. The absence of those melts allowed buildups of the ice over periods of time that would become characterized as glacial periods. Whats funny is a little joe shmoe like myself studied from other great scientist and figured out what UC San diego just wrapped there head around

[itsadeadmansparty]

@screenflicker1 Arent you glad that I destroyed the idea that Humans could actually have caused the Global Warming, Its really simple science when you imagine the earth moving around the sun, and the motions. I mean I do not claim to understand Astrophysics but the answer is right in front of our faces, People just believe everything they hear or see on Television, Wakeup do research and test these so called experts, Ask Questions, Use the Scientific Method, Anyway nice chatting with you

[itsadeadmansparty]

@screenflicker1 btw I dont deny that Global Warming is occurring At ALL, I just know from the scientific evidence that Humans didnt cause this Cooling of Earth and Warming of Earth,It Occurs everytime out orbit is at its greatest distance from the sun in our orbit, it take thousands of years, many thousands of years for each cycle to occur,its not Cars or Trucks or Oceanic Shipping Containers that caused Global warming, Its the natural way our Orbit moves, Our Seasons move from warm to cold, DUH

[Paalfaal]

@screenflicker1

Overpopulation is a myth: We receive 10000 times more sunlight then our current energy needs, the earth surface is 70% water, it is easy to produce food with hydroponic/aeroponic systems, and there is more than enough space for us all.

[fungulotualatuarazza]

im ready to join

[kajmobile]

how to reach venus today with a solution that is attainable in our current society without having to overturn the way the entire world runs:

fellowshipOfLuca (dot) com

create a world of millionaires and end all forms of struggle

[Cradle2Venus]

um.... what? how would printing more money solve any problems and why are you pasting a video game? You can't just throw money in the air and figure that will solve the problem. One day people will spend all their money, and that money will be spread to everyone else.... your solution goes in circles with the same problem.

[kajmobile]

The primary problems in society r income problems and their proposal solves the income problem.

It gives people enough income without causing inflation that makes everyone a millionaire so they can have full control over their time, income to access the best of what is available, a luxury home in the best neighborhood, a job that enables them to do what they would be doing if they didn't have a job to go to, a clean environment and infrastructure that improves their lives.

[Cradle2Venus]

What you fail to understand is that money doesn't have to equal necessities.

Furthermore, how would you pay rich mansion owners to clean your own mansion?

If Mr. Millionaire spends all his dough, does he just get more money? Does each child get millions from some unknown entity when they are 18? Don't forget, many millionaires have been made who have spent it all, what then?

In other words, your method makes money an even larger scam and illusion than it already is. It wouldn't even be fiat.

[kajmobile]

Their system is just a better way 2 organize income. You could take existing tax money and just pay every adult $20,000 per year for life even if they dont work, plus an additional $30,000 per year for every worker. Both grow at 5%/year

The $20k makes u a millionaire and the $30k will make the minimum income $100k per year

Then u combine that with zero interest loans for houses and ur cost of living is cut in half

Add it all up and u quadrupled everyone's standard of living-everyone's wealthy

[Cradle2Venus]

@kajmobile

You're joking right?

"$20k makes u a millionaire"??? Only if you don't spend ANYTHING for 50 years.

Where I live, 20k is hardly above poverty, and is hard to live on.

I fail how 20k and 30k = 100k, and now you are backpedaling and not making everyone millionaires?

More money is only a short-term solution to a long-term problem. It's just a band-aid. Your "solution" doesn't get to the real issues, only try a different way around the problem.

[kajmobile]

the net present value of a residual income stream of $20k per year that grows at 5% per year is $1 million

$20k dont make u a millionaire. but $20k per year for life does

$20k plus $30k plus whatever ur job would pay u (the average salary is $40k), would equal $90k. but u would take home after taxes $70k which is more than what u would take home if u had a salary today that paid u $100k per year

what solution is left unsolved? the very real problems people face in their life is lack of income

[Cradle2Venus]

no, earning 20k per hear over 40+ years means you EARN a million in that lifetime. That does NOT make you a millionaire. Millioinaires have a million in the bank. Period.

"what solution is left unsolved?"

If you made a million dollars appear today for every human on earth it will have no value.

Consider the Peso, Lira, and many currencies where 100 of that denomination will pay for nothing.

Money is based on scarcity and control. If everyone has a million dollars money would be worthless.

[kajmobile]

the definition of being a millionaire is having $1 million in net assets. if u dont want a $20k income stream, u could sell it for $1 million instead. what do u think the value of a $20k income stream is!?

so increasing everyone's income is not enough, u want to now make money worthless? how does that help anyone?

[Cradle2Venus]

@kajmobile

"net assets"... "in the bank" same difference. You're just picking now. the "value" of a 20k income stream is subject to regional conditions. VALUE is determined by SCARCITY. That's why Gold has skyrocketed in the last few years in comparison to the dollar. More dollars keep getting printed, but gold is not as easy to re-produce(for example).

500 char. posts do little for understandings. Register at Zeitgeist and we can continue the debate. Oh, and watch Zeitgeist:Addendum.

[kajmobile]

"net assets" and "in the bank" r NOT the same thing. $20k/yr DOES EQUAL $1 million and makes u a millionaire.

value is NOT determined by scarcity, it is determined by consumer preference. price, on the other hand, is affected by demand relative to supply.

the gold bubble is result of what drives most asset bubbles: irrational investor exuberance.

u didnt answer, what problems r left unsolved?

[Cradle2Venus]

The problems left unresolved are the inherent properties of money in and of itself.

You clearly only have a very very basic understanding of the monetary system.

So, put in basic words: With Money there will always be people seeking more control over others or willing to accept bribes to accomplish corrupt tasks.

Register at the zeitgeist forum if you want to have real debate. I'm done here. 500 chars isn't enough to even brush up on this subject in any contructive manner.

[kajmobile]

peter joseph is not his name. it is a fake name because he is trying to hide his identity.

c'mon, the primary problems in ur life r really people controlling u, bribes and corruption!?! r u a member of the sopranos!?

the vast majority of people deal with income problems on a daily basis not corruption.

real debates r not happening at zeitgeist because they r a bunch of misinformed, paranoid, conspiracy nuts

[binslick]

The Reason People have Economic Problems stems from the Present Monetary System which Breeds Corruption, Greed ,Graft,Social Stratification,Elitism and Differential Advantage!!!

[kajmobile]

no, people have economic problems because they dont have enough INCOME. if people had enough income, by getting a greater share of the gdp, they wouldnt have any economic problems at all.

solving the income problem is simple. see my comments below.

[binslick]

Apparently you don't understand nothing about the Venus Project.Yes Income means Something within the Present Monetary System we have, but the Venus Project is the Availability of goods and services without Money without the need for income.this is a New Social Design.You're still stuck in the paradigm of the Money System. it is obsolete and it no longer works!!85yrs of booms and bust in the Economy,inflation, deflation recessions. depressions and Bailouts.its time for a change!!

[kajmobile]

i know how venus works. read thru the comments. what im saying is that if u fix the income problem, depressions, booms, busts would no longer matter. everyone would be wealthy so u wouldnt need to do what venus proposes.

the venus proposal would be an absolute disaster in a modern economy. u cant measure demand and opportunity cost without an instrument like money. and u will never meet ur labor needs relying on just volunteers

[Cradle2Venus]

LOL YOU'RE STILL HERE kajmobile?

wow. you still can't answer my question about where the "taxed" money comes from.

You haven't addressed my question about how corporations WILL spike prices because people can "afford" to pay more.

You haven't addressed what happens when someone who doesn't work (or can't) runs out of the government supplied money.

You haven't addressed anything at the core issues of the system at all. Get learned child, you know far to little for such a complex problem.

[kajmobile]

@cradlevenus: i answered all those questions!

u dont know how income taxes work? the tax money comes when the govt imposes an income tax. but instead of the tax money going to the govt to spend, it divides it up and gives it back to each citizen.

prices wont spike just because people r spending their tax money instead of the govt spending it!

every adult gets paid a $20k per year base. if u dont wanna work, u need to learn how to live on $20k per year. if that aint enough, get a job.

[Cradle2Venus]

The government doesn't spend money. It only has the ability to move it from one place to another. Aside from politician salaries, your tax dollars go to city workers and other wage earners and salary workers that fix your city and supply the services you probably take for granted every day.

Prices WILL spike because ever wal-mart markets to people making less than 20k per year. If you don't think prices would rise you're deluding yourself from basic economics and basic market research.

[kajmobile]

Federal income tax money doesnt go to pay city workers to fix the city. It goes mostly to medicaid, medicare and social security. and it will no longer need to provide those services because people will now have the income to pay on their own

see my comments below 4 how the remaining federal govt services r paid for

inflation is not caused by wal mart. it is caused by increasing the money supply greater than u increase the amount of stuff to buy. this program does not affect the money supply

[binslick]

Money is only a Medium of Exchange a Social Convention.its NOT Needed for survivor or to meet labor needs.if all the Money were to disappear Tomorrow Morning we can still survive as a species as long as we have The Goods and services.Remember with Machinary/Automation taking over human Labor due to technology Labor for income will disappear!!

[kajmobile]

we dont need tv, phones, planes or computers to survive either. that doesnt mean geting rid of them is a good idea.

if u studied microeconomics and understood the difficulty in reaching pareto efficiency, u would see how ridicuous the venus proposal is.

[binslick]

a Society with Money has been tested Studied and analyzed for more than 100 years and it has Resulted in Booms and Bust in the Economy, Recessions and depressions.your logic is a bit twisted.or we can go back to the Gold Standard as mandated by The Constitution.Take The Power away from the Private Federal Reserve to create Money out of Nothing and Charge interest and give it back to Congress.Article 1 section.8&10.Sound Money that is backed by Gold.not worthless Fiat Money issued by the Fed.!!

[kajmobile]

our modern society, with money, is not a perfect society. but it is the most successful one. and when we fix the income problem, like i propose, it will reach near perfection

[binslick]

First We Need to get back all the Jobs That have overseas due to the free trade Agreement which only benefit the Elite Corporations, but its Crippling our Economy causing an enormous Trade Deficit.and The loss of Jobs for Millions of Americans.We also Need to Abolish The Income Tax and The Fed which is Strangulating The Economy.We also need to stop Waging this Unconstitutional,immoral,nonse­nsical, Quagmire Foreign Wars Like Iran and Afgan.they're a Horrendous waste of Resources and Lives.

[MrSammo1]

Actually you need to look into the Zeitgeist Movement. It's the sane thing to do.

[Slanghappy]

@kajmobile

Pareto efficiency, where one person cant be made better off without another being made worse off?

Doesnt that happen because of scarcity? The venus project advocates eliminating scarcity through the use of technology, hence achieving pareto improvement.

[kajmobile]

but venus cant eliminate all scarcity. If people dont have a budget to work with, they will demand far greater than the economy could supply.

demand is certainly not infinite, but it still will be far greater than what it is today and will be far greater than what u would be able to produce.

a better solution is to just give everyone an income to work with so they can make their own ration decisions and make the income high enough so everyone is wealthy

[Slanghappy]

@kajmobile "If people dont have a budget to work with, they will demand far greater than the economy could supply."

That would come down to a proper education in how we fit into the world we live in (not like we get today) and a change in value system. People would have to understand that resources are ultimately finite and be mature about it. If you look into TVP, you will see that they have a very different approach to education that we generally have today.

[kajmobile]

what does education and maturity have to do with a person being able to determine what an economy can produce?

People dont need an education on sustainability and maturity, they need a budget.

[Slanghappy]

@kajmobile Plus think about this: if you knew you could get anything you wanted at any time from close to home or quickly delivered, would you horde stuff, or use it and leave it for someone else to use later, or to be recycled?

Also i cant really think of anything that couldnt be made to last a lifetime, eliminating tremendous waste from planned obsolescence, hence saving vast resources for use elsewhere.

[kajmobile]

nobody wants a 100 year old car, furniture, kitchen, phone, computer, tv, rug, etc.

and very few people r hoarders. hoarding is not the cause of scarcity.

[Slanghappy]

@kajmobile

Then I assume you're talking about people getting bored of an item and wanting to change/update it frequently? Well thats fine, drop it off at a distribution centre for recycling or reuse and grab a new one.

Where do you see scarcity coming from?

[kajmobile]

that system works great for golf clubs. but when u extend it to every good and service it wont work.

if money was no object, i would get a new 5000 sq ft home, remodel every 10 years, redecorate every season, get a new rolls royce every 3 years and get new appliances, phones, tvs, computer and electronic devices every year or so as new models were introduced, get a new outfit for every day of the year, etc.

u wont be able to fulfill all those orders especially since nobody needs to work

[Slanghappy]

@kajmobile This is where you need to really look into the project yourself. Its a complex system that needs time to understand it, and youtube comment section isnt cut out for it : /

But basically, like i said, people would be educated about how humans fit into the environment, emotional issue would be worked out properly, and mosly probably wouldnt even develop because of the better interrelationships of people as a whole (which would be achieved through education again...

[Slanghappy]

... and the lack of stress and abberance from trying to survive or just keep up with everyone else).

But yeah, i strongly suggest you invest some time and effort into getting to know the venus project properly. It will certainly get you thinking about important issue from a bit of a different angle anyway.

[kajmobile]

i know everything about the venus project.

so u think the way to make sure people dont demand more than what is produced is to brainwash them, not to just give them a budget to work with?

u dont see how silly that is?

[Slanghappy]

@kajmobile

How is it brainwashing to teach someone that it is unrealistic to demand what you were suggesting before, and then to talk with them and figure out whats going on, if they end up demanding it anyway?

There needs to be a massive value shift if we are to maintain our place on this planet, that much is obvious. And that stuff isnt taught in schools today that im aware of.

btw, im not even close to an authority on TVP, im not a member, so there are probably points I am missing.

[PDzero]

@Slanghappy I'd also like to add to that that a population's social wellbeing will vastly improve without the need to work in order to survive or have a high standard of living. A person will no longer have compromise their choices in a profession or career based on how much income they have or the quality or the educational in their region. You also need to understand the standards of education now are stagnated because of national budgets etc. The Venus project doesn't have that problem.

[afonflip]

@Slanghappy exactyl, thats the idea of tvp

[kajmobile]

a society with no money and no pricing has been studied, tested, and analyzed to death for the last 100 years. it simply does not work.

[kajmobile]

unfortunately i did see addendum. it was written by a musician who insists on hiding his identity, who actually believes and promotes idiotic conspiracy theories and gets some basic economic facts wrong in his movie.

if u want to learn about how the economy works, stay away from anonymous musicians who make internet propaganda films.

[Cradle2Venus]

in the bank, and net assets both appear on the balance sheet to prove your wealth so they are the same thing. Now your just being obtuse.

You disagree on my statement about value and in the same sentence describe supply and deman. Supply, and qantity thereof, IS scarcity.

btw, addendum was made by peter joseph, he's a spokesperson for the venus project. You can't even do your research in this regard. I see no reason to carry on any further. I am not here to convert you to my way of thinking.

[binslick]

The Venus Project is not about money,it is about resources.Money is not a natural resource there is nothing magical or divine about it it is not needed for survival..Money is about corruption Greed and graft .look at the legislative branch of the US there all bought and paid by special interest groups.

[Cradle2Venus]

@binslick

please read the whole topic by clicking on the All Comments link. You will realize that is exactly my point.

[kajmobile]

the money to pay for this program comes from taxes which means it does not increase the money supply and does not cause inflation.

taxes do not make money worth less.

[Cradle2Venus]

the money from WHAT program? The venus project doesn't use any tax dollars. They aren't even registered as a non-profit organization.

[binslick]

Money is NOT a Natural Resource.if you were stranded in an island with all the Money and Gold it wouldnt do you any good unless you can exchange it for food and water the basic survival need of all Humans regardless of Race Color or creed.we don't need Money we need resources!!Money is the root of all The Problems we have today!!it is an impediment to progress.

[kajmobile]

Money is a measurement of resources. it is a piece of technology. u dont need it in a society of 1 person. but it is very helpful in a society of billions.

without money u cant measure demand and opportunity cost. u cant match supply with demand. and u wouldnt be able to measure cost or budget projects

Saying money is the root of all our problems is like saying thermometers r the root of all our weather problems

the root of our problems is lack of income which u can solve with my proposal

[Cradle2Venus]

As I said before, printing money doesn't solve the problem. Giving money to everyone definitely won't solve the problem.

If you give people money, and they spend it all, are you going to fill their pockets back up?

If everyone was given a check every year for 20,000 all prices in the country/world would adjust to the income spike and the value of currency will be devalued like the lira and peso. Instead of buying bread with 1 dollar you would buy it with 10.

Your system doesn't solve the problem

[kajmobile]

im saying the money for MY program, not for venus, comes from taxes.

u can pay every adult $20k per year plus an additional $30k per year to every worker. all this money comes from TAXES. it dont come from printing money and does not cause inflation.

taxes DOES NOT increase the money supply, does not cause inflation and does not raise prices.

[Cradle2Venus]

you still didn't answer my question. If someone spends all their money before the year end what happens?

furthermore, how much of your income is taxed to pay for the next cycle of paychecks?

payment from taxes would come from government checks, which is drawing the line very close to communism which works only in theory and not in practice.

Also, how do you justify paying 2 people of different job levels the same amount?

[kajmobile]

this plan gives everyone: *full control over their time, *income to access the best of what is available, *a luxury home in the best neighborhood, *a job that enables them to do what they would be doing if they didn't have a job to go to, *a clean environment *and infrastructure that improves their lives.

[kajmobile]

This program is funded based on the current top federal income tax rates found in the US which totals 50% (35% from income tax + 15% from FICA tax).

this isnt communism! communism is where the means of production is owned by the public and private property and money is abolished which is what venus proposes!

worker income will NOT be the same. the $50k yearly income will be paid to u in ADDITION to what u earn at ur job

[kajmobile]

having u spend ur tax money instead of the government spending ur tax money does NOT cause inflation

[kajmobile]

This money is paid EVERY YEAR. and since taxes grow as the GDP grows, the amount u get will grow about 6% per year.

combined with an interest free mortgage which will cut ur living expense in half, the average person will trple their income and get a 6 fold increase in their standard of living.

[Cradle2Venus]

since you don't answer my questions when I put more than one point in a message I'll put them one at a time.

"This money is paid EVERY YEAR"- how much of that income is taxed to go to the next round of paychecks?

[Cradle2Venus]

since you don't answe rmy questions when i put more than one point in a message i'll put them one at a time.

"Everyone gets 20k plus 30k if they work" How do you justify giving a doctor and a janitor the same "if they work" wage?

[Cradle2Venus]

since you don't answe rmy questions when i put more than one point in a message i'll put them one at a time.

"This money is paid EVERY YEAR"- what happens to people who spend their money before year end? Are you going to loan out too? same problems we have today just bigger numbers

[kajmobile]

Your income is paid out weekly or every 2 weeks just like we do today. This program doesnt teach people how to manage their income. If someone doesnt know how to budget their personal finances, they should take a personal finance class.

[kajmobile]

if u have a job that pays u $40k, u will pay a 50% tax on that income, so u will take home $20k.

So u will take home after taxes, $20k from ur job, plus $20k plus $50k for working. You will have a total income of $90k take home after taxes every year.

[Cradle2Venus]

ok wow dude you don't even know what communism is, you're taxing half of everyone's income to pay for their income, and you think it's going to work? LMAO

All that giving everyone without a job 20k per year will do is spike prices. Why? Because corporations will see opportunity for profit. People can afford to buy milk? Afford to buy a car outright? up the price.

You just snowball through the economy that way.

You don't understand the cause/effect of your idea.

[kajmobile]

half ur income is ALREADY being taxed. im just saying people should spend that money instead of the govt.

again, taxes DOES NOT cause inflation.

u will get more academic and more popular support for my plan than for the venus plan which says end property, stop paying people to work, nationalize every business and have some central computer run the economy.

[Cradle2Venus]

"the venus plan which says end property, stop paying people to work, nationalize every business and have some central computer run the economy."

obviously you can't get your head around a world that doesn't run on money. If you could you'd understand how false that statement is.

[binslick]

People Need Resources to Survive,NOT Money.

[binslick]

Guys,Guys you're all still stuck in the Paradigm of. The money system.THE VENUS PROJECT IS A SYSTEM IN WHICH ALL GOODS AND SERVICES ARE AVAILABLE WITHOUT THE USE OF MONEY,CREDITS,BARTER.OR ANY OTHER SYSTEM OF DEBT OR SERVITUDE.

[tonylove16]

true, thus this isn't communism as some people try to call this. Communism still utilizes the monetary system and everybody is in the working class.

In this system, people are not confined to work in order to earn a living. since we have the means to create abundance, everyone's needs are provided.

People will take to their interests as/when they are discovered. These interests will contribute to society and contribute to their happiness.

[tonylove16]

@binslick (the previous comment is as well)

unlike today, where people need monetary incentives to become doctors, engineers, and artists, a system like this will breed these "professions." people will like to do these things because these practices benefit humanity and they're doing what they love.

critics say that everyone will become lazy in a system like this, but that's thinking of it in a monetary system context. they must explain doctors w/o borders--humans like to help each other

[jacobbenson5366]

i;ve spread to word to about 10 people and the more i do and they the faster its gonna progress so tell every one u know and dont keep it to urself ... peace

[nema2511]

I am having trouble hearing jaque's response. I wish there were subtext...

[younitehumanity]

I wish Jaque was 60 Years younger...I sure would to hate to see him leave us. He is so pure in his form of thought...he is just awesome!!!

[nightkidd604]

venus project all the way

[jacqueespa]

jacque is the best !

[Kevinsufacation]

thanks for sharing

[Pinch0fSalt]

It was great to see you all - thanks for uploading =)

[paradigm667]

Thank you!