Is god willing to prevent evil? NO, he gave us all fFREEDOM. Picture a world where you have no choice but do good things and are forced to be good, that would be the world if god prevented all evil from happening.
Epicurus talks out of his samosa...disenchanted by injustice and sinister monopoly,Epicurus goes on to free his ppl,by saying that if there is a God,then why doesnt he stop evil,neither is his definition of God clearly reasoned nor is evil clearly defined,{i mean like lions in africa eating Bambi like critters,like is that evil also?}Indeed GOD created man,with that creation came FREEDOM,if this freedom is not guided it is detrimental to man
So your thesis is that the world began with a talking snake in a tree?
Lions eat deer, they are carnivores. Elephants eat leaves, they are herbivores. We eat both, more so an acidic meat based diet thanks to our corporate masters. Our appendix is nearly useless now thanks to them. I doubt anyone has a working cud to process cellulose anymore.
Do you think you are free? Go into the forest, clear some land, build a home, plant a garden, raise some livestock and don't give any to the Taxman.
why is there a GOD? Man Created God. The Universe evidences design, and you have to pretend you know about it by contructing a myth? That's infantile.
If God 'created' men to *feature* freedom, God created evil. There is no logical way around it. It's simple-minded for a child to belive what you believe.
I think that 'if there is a God why doesn't he stop evil' is simple-minded to even address this. The whole discussion is pointless, as the concept is hopelessly self-centered on *man*.
deus é fraco (eu usei deus com letra minúscula como sinal de desrespeito) e quem necessita dele também é fraco e deve morrer ou pelo menos ser torturado até seu último segundo de vida.
Deus,Ele fez tudo perfeito o homem sim destrói tudo aquilo que é perfeito,dizer que Ele não faz nada,temos que nos converter para ter uma vida melhor ajudar sim estas pessoas
não mostra-la em fotos querendo argumentar a sua desgraça absurdo, faça vídeos para ajuda-
las e começar desde já, faça campanha de ajuda não culpe Deus por tudo culpe o homem que querem cada vez mais encher os bolsos de dinheiro dinheiro este que vc tbém ganha (indignação0.
Ser ou nao ser? a ecolha e' minha, nao de Deus, ja que Ele nos deu o livre-arbitreo. Nao culpe o Criador. Culpe a criatura que nao usa como deve ser seu arbitreo! tonnyworkman- Dimensao Catolica
o fato de Deus existir ou não, não muda o fato de que NÓS é que somos responsáveis pelas nossas atitudes e futuro do mundo, cabe a nós fazer o bem ao invés do mal, independentemente de Deus
Axo que muita gente não entende que se Deus realmente existe ele não exerce influência direta sobre as nossas vidas... Ele apenas criou e agora julga.
Acreditar em Deus é aceitável e em certos pontos até saudável
Agora acreditar em milagres ou religião é pura ignorância!
Querer imputar o fracasso do homem à Deus, é muito fácil e fraco esta lógica, ele próprio (homem) se destrói, assim como ele faz com a própria natureza.
O MAL ninguém o criou, é uma OPÇÃO, assim como fazer o BEM! Uns dos maiores amor de Deus para com a sua criação(homem), foi nos dar o livre arbítrio, ou seja, a vontade de escolha.
Imputar o seu fracasso à Deus é muito fácil. Esse vídeo é muito fraquinho para a idéia que pretendia passar.
O bem e o mal são ficções humanas, e julgar sofrimento como mal é tão infantil quanto uma criança que maldiz o pai por o punir por seus atos erroneos.
Não sou ateu, nem muito religioso... porém este filsófoso é fraco.
Premissas ilógicas não tornam os fatos reais.
Eu creio que a vontade divina está além de nossa compreensão, porém temo livre arbitrio, se ele nos deu, ele quer que nós nos ternemos bons.
É demasiado fácil manipular a tudo e todos, gostaria alguém de ser uma marionete divina? Não pensar? Deste modo não haveria nada além de um palco montado por Deus.
epicurus came to the world to show us a way to "efrosini" and happyness. put your logic first of all and read the latin poetic version of epicurus book "peri tis fyseos ton pragmaton"
there is this old conceptual idea of "free will" that all humans possess. we are condemnded to freedom to choose our actions and are responsible for outcomes of those actions.
God is a word that means "I do not know and so he/she/they are the answer that I will not find out." All religions of the world started as polytheistic--and turned to monotheism only to truncate their own deficiencies into a set canon of codes and laws, to excuse their own weaknesses they were unwilling to fix and to find an excuse for their own barbarity.
The existence of natural evil (hurricanes, earthquakes etc.) is enough to motivate the problem. But it also seems to be the case that if god were omibenevolent, then s/he would have created a world where we don't do evil to ourselves.
The interesting is that Epicurus can't answer all the questions. When he did a question and provoke a rhetoric, it's because still exist another answers to that.
Watch:
"Is God both able and willing?
Then whence cometh evil?"
This own video help us to answer, cause the actions said and showed as evil are allowed and operated by the own man.
trying to prove that god does not exist by the problem of evil is a total logical fallacy because it pre-supposes that objective evil does exist, but objective evil can never exist in a universe with no god because there is no moral standard
If you think that objective morals could only come from god then we are in trouble as the Euthyphro dilemma shows that morality cannot come from god. But thankfully your supposition (i.e. your assumption that divine command theory is the only plausible foundation for morality) is false.
According to judeo-christian view human is created in god's own image so moral which applies to humans applies to god as well,coz we got it from god.Hence god cannot be indifferent to humans and such large number of cases as are seen.Besides most religions hold this view that god provides moral foundation,so since unwillingness to prevent murder on human's part is immoral in most if not all cases,god's non intervention is also immoral.
"Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent." I don't agree with that. Being able, but not willing to stop evil could simply mean that God is indifferent to humans. That would not make him malevolent. If a God does exist, I think that a God indifferent to humans would be the most likely scenario.
So watching someone get murdered and not trying to stop the murder isn't a bad thing? It' just 'indifference'? Morals compel someone to act in such a situation, and since our morals are derived from God, God should be compelled to help us in times of need. But he doesn't. Unwilling = malevolent. A god that doesn't possess our same morality wouldn't necessarily be malevolent though. Then again, he wouldn't be our 'moral lawgiver' either.
You look at it from a human perspective, but that is not the perspective that I am arguing. You are basing your argument on how you, as a human, _would like_ a God to be, based on your morality, and then claim that your morality is derived from such a God. That is a flaw that most, if not all, religions are guilty of, and the reason why people worship. Who would like to worship a God that created the universe, but does not care about humans any more than ants, vegetables, or minerals?
I think you misunderstood me. I am an atheist. I don't think a good God could have our morality and sit aside and do nothing. Any God, if one exists, can't have our morals, or it can't be considered good. Sounds as if we agree.
SOME people's morals may compel them to try to stop the murder. Others obviously have a different set of moral obligations. Secondly, it is only an unproven assertion that God doesn't help us in our times of need. I believe that the God I follow certainly helps me. But then, I respect everyone's right to believe or disbelieve as they see fit.
The problem with this is that the argument is against evil; an all-powerful God could prevent evil period. The fact that evil exists is an argument against an all-loving God.
epicurus é o cara
Besteirento1 2 years ago
Is god willing to prevent evil? NO, he gave us all fFREEDOM. Picture a world where you have no choice but do good things and are forced to be good, that would be the world if god prevented all evil from happening.
valon231 2 years ago
@valon231. he's not able??? :D then he's not omnipotent :D epic fail...
stojadinovicp 2 years ago
Clear - and why there earthquakes or children born with horrible deformations?
There is no "free will" involved in such horrors.
hartmut1164 1 year ago
Epicurus talks out of his samosa...disenchanted by injustice and sinister monopoly,Epicurus goes on to free his ppl,by saying that if there is a God,then why doesnt he stop evil,neither is his definition of God clearly reasoned nor is evil clearly defined,{i mean like lions in africa eating Bambi like critters,like is that evil also?}Indeed GOD created man,with that creation came FREEDOM,if this freedom is not guided it is detrimental to man
1GXG 3 years ago
So your thesis is that the world began with a talking snake in a tree?
Lions eat deer, they are carnivores. Elephants eat leaves, they are herbivores. We eat both, more so an acidic meat based diet thanks to our corporate masters. Our appendix is nearly useless now thanks to them. I doubt anyone has a working cud to process cellulose anymore.
Do you think you are free? Go into the forest, clear some land, build a home, plant a garden, raise some livestock and don't give any to the Taxman.
SlaveStorm 3 years ago 7
@1GXG
why is there a GOD? Man Created God. The Universe evidences design, and you have to pretend you know about it by contructing a myth? That's infantile.
If God 'created' men to *feature* freedom, God created evil. There is no logical way around it. It's simple-minded for a child to belive what you believe.
I think that 'if there is a God why doesn't he stop evil' is simple-minded to even address this. The whole discussion is pointless, as the concept is hopelessly self-centered on *man*.
jancivil 1 year ago
Será que não percebem que Deus já fez a parte dEle? A miséria são por causa do pecado e do egoísmo.Vão culpar à Deus?Por nossas próprias falhas???
MarioCorleone69 3 years ago
deus é fraco (eu usei deus com letra minúscula como sinal de desrespeito) e quem necessita dele também é fraco e deve morrer ou pelo menos ser torturado até seu último segundo de vida.
GaaraUzumakiGaara 3 years ago
um deus criador pelos homens.
clevisac 3 years ago
concordo plenamente com esse video e quem é fraco a ponto de precisar de um deus.... simplesmente se foda!
GaaraUzumakiGaara 3 years ago
Deus é tão maravilhoso que gostaria que ele tomasse toda as decisões por mim, assim eu não sofreria tanto como estou sofrendo.
nelsoncrn7 3 years ago
Pults...
¬¬
Sério mesmo!
Triste de quem inventou este vídeo!
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jlguita 3 years ago
Pura heresia, não temos o direito de julgar
Deus,Ele fez tudo perfeito o homem sim destrói tudo aquilo que é perfeito,dizer que Ele não faz nada,temos que nos converter para ter uma vida melhor ajudar sim estas pessoas
não mostra-la em fotos querendo argumentar a sua desgraça absurdo, faça vídeos para ajuda-
las e começar desde já, faça campanha de ajuda não culpe Deus por tudo culpe o homem que querem cada vez mais encher os bolsos de dinheiro dinheiro este que vc tbém ganha (indignação0.
suzanavala1 3 years ago
Poruqe o mal existe?? por que o ser-humano pecou e é pecador!
Desud eseja previnir o mal mas não é capaz??? dexa eu dizer uma coisa o demonio ja está julgado que Deus vai punilo, poucas pessoas irao para o céu
nada pra Deuz é impossivél!!!
Marceloluk 3 years ago
fica quieto seu retardado que escreve deus com z
e tem + acorda e sai desse mundo de fantasia que vc tá vivendo
GaaraUzumakiGaara 3 years ago
Ser ou nao ser? a ecolha e' minha, nao de Deus, ja que Ele nos deu o livre-arbitreo. Nao culpe o Criador. Culpe a criatura que nao usa como deve ser seu arbitreo! tonnyworkman- Dimensao Catolica
tonnyworkman 3 years ago
A maldade, a falta de respeito pela vida, o egoismo vem dos próprios homems, não é justo culpar à Deus por seus próprios erros...
Thiago150show 3 years ago
o fato de Deus existir ou não, não muda o fato de que NÓS é que somos responsáveis pelas nossas atitudes e futuro do mundo, cabe a nós fazer o bem ao invés do mal, independentemente de Deus
Axo que muita gente não entende que se Deus realmente existe ele não exerce influência direta sobre as nossas vidas... Ele apenas criou e agora julga.
Acreditar em Deus é aceitável e em certos pontos até saudável
Agora acreditar em milagres ou religião é pura ignorância!
Nem Deus vai fazer a sua parte por vc!
cafehc 4 years ago
Querer imputar o fracasso do homem à Deus, é muito fácil e fraco esta lógica, ele próprio (homem) se destrói, assim como ele faz com a própria natureza.
O MAL ninguém o criou, é uma OPÇÃO, assim como fazer o BEM! Uns dos maiores amor de Deus para com a sua criação(homem), foi nos dar o livre arbítrio, ou seja, a vontade de escolha.
Imputar o seu fracasso à Deus é muito fácil. Esse vídeo é muito fraquinho para a idéia que pretendia passar.
1cordobas2 4 years ago
Somos seres animados e singulares.
O bem e o mal são ficções humanas, e julgar sofrimento como mal é tão infantil quanto uma criança que maldiz o pai por o punir por seus atos erroneos.
mdrakemic 4 years ago 2
gostei,falo bonito!
GaaraUzumakiGaara 3 years ago
Não sou ateu, nem muito religioso... porém este filsófoso é fraco.
Premissas ilógicas não tornam os fatos reais.
Eu creio que a vontade divina está além de nossa compreensão, porém temo livre arbitrio, se ele nos deu, ele quer que nós nos ternemos bons.
É demasiado fácil manipular a tudo e todos, gostaria alguém de ser uma marionete divina? Não pensar? Deste modo não haveria nada além de um palco montado por Deus.
mdrakemic 4 years ago
Extremamente vago.
E isso que não sou ateu.
Faltam argumentos. Dizer que o mundo está ruim é fácil. Pensar em uma solução...
Em vez de colocarmos essa tarefa para "Deus" fazer, poderíamos nós mesmos nos ocuparmos de tal tarefa.
cauef 4 years ago
epicurus came to the world to show us a way to "efrosini" and happyness. put your logic first of all and read the latin poetic version of epicurus book "peri tis fyseos ton pragmaton"
pantokrator79 4 years ago
Take the Indonesian tsunami a couple of years ago.
What kind of loving god allows his own creation (the world) to cause so much suffering among his other creations (people)?
If you believe a god's in charge of the world There's 4 possibilities.
1: If he couldn't stop it - he's impotent.
2: If he could stop it but didn't! He's evil.
3: If he deliberately caused it he's evil.
4: He ain't there at all.
bigbawsyabass 4 years ago
If you would let me add something else.
5. If he couldn't stop it,and did not want to.
Then why call him god? :)
Rafaelpicc 4 years ago
there is this old conceptual idea of "free will" that all humans possess. we are condemnded to freedom to choose our actions and are responsible for outcomes of those actions.
stephendedlus 4 years ago
Why does God have to prevent evil that we do to ourselves.
zuhlk 4 years ago
God is a word that means "I do not know and so he/she/they are the answer that I will not find out." All religions of the world started as polytheistic--and turned to monotheism only to truncate their own deficiencies into a set canon of codes and laws, to excuse their own weaknesses they were unwilling to fix and to find an excuse for their own barbarity.
arthuride 4 years ago
The existence of natural evil (hurricanes, earthquakes etc.) is enough to motivate the problem. But it also seems to be the case that if god were omibenevolent, then s/he would have created a world where we don't do evil to ourselves.
Guaguanco11 4 years ago
The interesting is that Epicurus can't answer all the questions. When he did a question and provoke a rhetoric, it's because still exist another answers to that.
Watch:
"Is God both able and willing?
Then whence cometh evil?"
This own video help us to answer, cause the actions said and showed as evil are allowed and operated by the own man.
abelmon 4 years ago
trying to prove that god does not exist by the problem of evil is a total logical fallacy because it pre-supposes that objective evil does exist, but objective evil can never exist in a universe with no god because there is no moral standard
migkillertwo 4 years ago 2
If you think that objective morals could only come from god then we are in trouble as the Euthyphro dilemma shows that morality cannot come from god. But thankfully your supposition (i.e. your assumption that divine command theory is the only plausible foundation for morality) is false.
Guaguanco11 4 years ago
as ever you cannot prove or disprove a paradox>
alienevolved 4 years ago
So, nobody could ever prove that god is, omnipotent, benevolent or allknowing?
Who insisted that this attributes were the ones of god(s) in the first place?
Epicurus?
DeletedDelusion 4 years ago
According to judeo-christian view human is created in god's own image so moral which applies to humans applies to god as well,coz we got it from god.Hence god cannot be indifferent to humans and such large number of cases as are seen.Besides most religions hold this view that god provides moral foundation,so since unwillingness to prevent murder on human's part is immoral in most if not all cases,god's non intervention is also immoral.
Im an atheist bytheway.
DOOOMKULTUS 4 years ago
"Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent." I don't agree with that. Being able, but not willing to stop evil could simply mean that God is indifferent to humans. That would not make him malevolent. If a God does exist, I think that a God indifferent to humans would be the most likely scenario.
claytongault 4 years ago
So watching someone get murdered and not trying to stop the murder isn't a bad thing? It' just 'indifference'? Morals compel someone to act in such a situation, and since our morals are derived from God, God should be compelled to help us in times of need. But he doesn't. Unwilling = malevolent. A god that doesn't possess our same morality wouldn't necessarily be malevolent though. Then again, he wouldn't be our 'moral lawgiver' either.
lucretius1 4 years ago
You look at it from a human perspective, but that is not the perspective that I am arguing. You are basing your argument on how you, as a human, _would like_ a God to be, based on your morality, and then claim that your morality is derived from such a God. That is a flaw that most, if not all, religions are guilty of, and the reason why people worship. Who would like to worship a God that created the universe, but does not care about humans any more than ants, vegetables, or minerals?
claytongault 4 years ago
I think you misunderstood me. I am an atheist. I don't think a good God could have our morality and sit aside and do nothing. Any God, if one exists, can't have our morals, or it can't be considered good. Sounds as if we agree.
lucretius1 4 years ago 5
SOME people's morals may compel them to try to stop the murder. Others obviously have a different set of moral obligations. Secondly, it is only an unproven assertion that God doesn't help us in our times of need. I believe that the God I follow certainly helps me. But then, I respect everyone's right to believe or disbelieve as they see fit.
bintalshamsa 4 years ago
The problem with this is that the argument is against evil; an all-powerful God could prevent evil period. The fact that evil exists is an argument against an all-loving God.
lucretius1 4 years ago 2
Maybe able and willing, as soon has he looks this way =D
Censeo 4 years ago