It makes me sad that her first gang bang was at 15 or 16. I have a STRONG feeling that this was not of her consent. But when women are raped, some of them learn to turn it around in their heads so that they think that is what they enjoy.
It makes me sad. No girl wants to be boned by six guys in the back of a van....and if she does....chances are she was already victimized before that happens.
Thank you ojthe3rd; I completely agree with you and I am glad to see your sanity among (generally) a YT crowd of misogynists. Good points on the high likelihood of her having been victimized prior to her "gangbang" and her turning this traumatic experience into a tool (= porn) to numb her pain.
@JoinPornBusters - What terrifies me is that the guy doing this mockery of an interview, and the camera man probably have nieces!! Very scary.....and gross........
Keep up the great work!! And continue to post videos like this, it is so necessary to wake people up.
This is a scary interview. Really shows the blurring lines of reality and pornography for those involved with pornography, Even though I'm sure she's just acting, that she's willing to present those things she's saying as real and realistic is terrifying.
I propose you scrub the majority of the comments below. People are on board with this or they are not. It's that simple. Porn (which is now a very loose term that encompasses everything from erotica to sexual abuse) is an extreme example of human commodification, not the worst, but one of the worst, and one we are being conditioned to tolerate. It's a no brainer, and it's time people waked up to the reality of this, the "dissenting opinion" we see here is the product of manufactured consent.
P.S. you'd better block my friends account aswell, if you're serious about censoring dissent. Pre-approving comments would have been more honest though.
This is not an issue of dishonesty on our part. We didn't delete any of your comments. The fact that you continue under a new channel as before hasn't changed anything at all. Stick to the topic or leave.
I don't know whether that's paranoia or a histrionic device. What would you count as non-smug? Not knowing anything about people or the world and agreeing with everything you say without thinking about it rationally?
Well, it's best if I leave you to it then. There are plenty of people who already agree with you who you can talk to, then you won't have to worry about your arguments making sense or being based on observed reality.
I am going to read a testimonial from a fantastic book, that has tons and tons of facts and real life testimonials and a real look into the porn industry - the video will be up sometime tonight, i think i will attach it to this video in hopes of people looking outside their box of ignorance on the issue.
I saw a doco quite awhile ago about a female censorship porn reviewer in Canada. It was or is different over there. There was a strong ephasis on consent. I remember a scene they were watching where a girl was with two guys, all clothed, and she looked fine with that, but when 2 or 3 more guys came on the set she looked horrified, and that video wasn't given a classification or banned, whatever they do there. Just to throw one example in.
How about you tell me this, who forced her to be a pornstar? Her father? or perhaps her partner? or may be her brother.
She had plenty of other decent options in a developed country like USA, but no, she chose the easy way out, selling her beauty (!) and body. It was her and only her who chose to become this, that's how she exercised her liberty.
freespirit, I don't know the answer to your questions, do you?
Maybe it was one of them, maybe all, maybe someone else, it's possible, right? Maybe someone familiarized her with sex so early that she associated it with love, as so common with abuse victims, which in turn are rampant in the porn industry. Yes, victims. It was not their CHOICE.
You sound very naive. Please educate yourself on porn through ex-industry-members, slubben is one example.
I feel like reading out of my book, that has been edited in many volumes, and looks at many aspects of the porn industry, not to mention testimonials of women who worked in it for years and years. How much rape, suicide and addiction is in the industry, how many women ARE coerced like the star from deep throat in the early 70s'
Naive? Indeed. 'Slubben' is one example. I can give you at least a thousand example where students from decent families escorting/doing porn on side to get quick and easy bucks. Why? because working in a bar/restaurant is just not paying her bills for brand products. You need to get out and look even more, just don't come up with the information you chose to see.
"Yes, victims...blah blah". Stop playing that old 'victim' card. Life is not all great and peachy. There's millions of women in 3rd world countries working in factories for less than $100 /month or less, daily being sexually/mentally/physically abused by someone at that shitty work place. But they don't switch to pornstar/prostitution the next day. Life is tough but full of choices, freedom or no freedom, there's always a decent way to live. Question is, whether they'll fight for it or take...
You wanna hear about 'CHOICE'? Let me tell you about choices people now a days make. A receptionist in my workplace was going to holidays in Dubai and escorting 4-5 times in that period to get hard cash for shopping/holiday expenses. Obviously, company sacked her once the secret came out. What she do? instead of finding a new job, she enrolled into full time escorting, in UK and Mid-east. Her excuse - 'I enjoy sex and it's good money." A great choice indeed!
Okay, please LOOK at the porn vs choice video that is on this channel. Please look at the possibility that she was driven to this lifestye, by perhaps abuse in her childhood, which is a common reason women get into the industry. I am reading a book with more facts about harms and testimonies for porn stars, and trust me, it's not something liberating, okay? It's the opposite.
No it's not liberation. She had the liberty to become whatever she wanted (at least something decent), but she chose to become this - that's what I said.
You're proposing a causal relationship between the preponderance of this behaviour in porn and it's prevalence in people's sex lives?
Which is to say, did more people start treating each other roughly at home when it was shown more in the studio?
Otherwise it's impossible to say which is the cause and which is the effect. Do violent movies make people violent, or do violent people just chose to watch violent movies?
"At the very least, violent people didn't turn violent out of nowhere. "
So do you think without violent movies there would be no violence? Or do you think that humans have no innate aggressive tendencies?
Perhaps it would be worth looking at cultures with very little pornography (like afganistan or mongolian nomads) and see if they're any gentler with women on average.
I don't think there was NO violence before violent movies, or that humans had to aggressive tendencies.
HOWEVER, such tendencies are intensified through violent movies or violence from any source. The amount of violence seen today from various sources has been unsurpassed to date.
This would apply to most people on this planet. I don't know the status of porn in Afghanistan or Mongolia. Considering the state these countries are in, your argument is absurd.
He/She is simply trolling and pulling out irrelevant examples to get you to talk about something that has nothing about this video. If he/she ceases to stick to the topic, i would either ignore them or block them. This is a place to debate the video at hand, not to go off on tangents and mess around with your words
"such tendencies are intensified through violent movies or violence from any source."
I suppose that's possible. Though the clinical studies haven't shown proof either way.
" The amount of violence seen today from various sources has been unsurpassed to date."
Today's world is more violent than any other time in human history? What exactly are you basing that on? The fact that medieval times were so polite and gentle? The reputation for kindness and pacifism that the mongol hordes had?
What is meant is that violence is learned. For example, a person going into war may not be a violent person, they may go through extensive desensitization and conditioning in training that will make them able to show more aggression.
I don't think you can compare, at least with any relevance, how women are treated in countries that lack porn. We're not looking at them. We're looking at our porn industry. Please stay on topic, thank you.
I find it hard to believe though that only 48% contained verbal aggression...I wonder how they defined aggression. Words like "Hey, bitch, nice tits" it qualifies as aggressive for me. And which porn doesn't have this type of language in it.
I don't think it's considered fringe anymore. Porn needs to keep pushing more and more boundaries in order to "stay fresh" which is why people are tuning into younger girls, like sasha grey, who are willing to do just about anything. gonzo and bdsm are in huge demand.
Proof if it were needed that porn is in noway representative of sex.
That's what annoys me about people who defend the porn industry, they act like it's just showing people engaging in intercourse. Well that's not the problem, the problem is the constant violence and cruelty that is thrown in.
That's not sex, it's torture for the sake of entertainment. It's our societies version of throwing Christians to the lions.
"It's our societies version of throwing Christians to the lions. "
Do you think this sort of thing only started when porn videos were invented? I suspect that a similar % of people were interested in treating each other roughly before videos existed.
It only became wide spread through our media when porn started. The point is porn is encouraging the behavior by portraying it as normal sexual activity.
"The point is porn is encouraging the behavior by portraying it as normal sexual activity."
Are they though? If there are lots of different types that encourage different behaviours, and people can choose which they prefer, I don't see how that can be true.
Is it possible it's the other way round, that the predilections a % of people have always had are reflected in the media?
I think I know what you mean, but I still freeze for a moment when I read 'porn is not sex', as it obviously shows sexual activity (=porn is not asexual, meaning without sexual organs), but it's not ONLY sex and not THE ONLY KIND of sex, the way I see it.
I want there to be some international DATABASE that lists people from the sex industry, which everybody has access to. Employers, educational facilities, private individuals.
If they have nothing to hide, they'd happily oblige. Even be proud of it, right?
The viewing of this shit should also be registered. Again, if there's nothing wrong with it, people should be OK with it.
This is abuse, this is full-fledged violence, this is rape, whose definition we need to redefine.
When you MAKE somebody do something, you FORCE them. In a sexual context, this is called RAPE. Also, in this context, lack of ongoing consent turns porn into RAPE.
During minutes of research I did on porn recently, I came across a twisted set of circumstances which would classify as rape in a video. That's just the very tip of the iceberg.
Let me ask YOU: Is there evidence to prove that EVERYTHING a movie shows is in fact 100% planned & consensual?
The choice to do your job or get fired is still a choice.
I do not agree that giving instructions to an employee is forcing them, except in the sense that all capitalism is force. Money is a form of coercion in a capitalist society I suppose, but it is one which the vast majority of people accept.
If you don't want people to question your opinions, I suggest that posting it on a public forum without pre-approving the comments is not the best way to go about it.
If you want to make accusations without backing them up with a description of unequivocal evidence, I suggest you preface those remarks with "in my opinion" or "it is possible".
And I suggest that if you want to keep a discussion going on a decent level of communication, you conduct yourself accordingly without your non-stop smugness.
I provided references throughout the entire video. Just because you don't see (and like to see) what I see does not mean I make 'accusations'.
Your conduct lets me assume that you were here to argue, not to learn something.
"When you MAKE somebody do something, you FORCE them."
That isn't always the case. You're conflating two terms which don't mean the same thing. For example, you might make a secretary type a letter, or make someone laugh, which aren't what we usually mean when we say 'force'.
"Is there evidence to prove that EVERYTHING a movie shows is in fact 100% planned & consensual? "
I don't know, but I'm not the one making accusations, so I don't bear the burden of proof.
You're taking the term FORCE out of context. This is a video about porn, not an authentic office environment. When someone makes someone do something during a porn shooting, especially what I gather from Delilah specifically, it's guaranteed to involve violence & sadism.
We're not making accusations, nor can we "prove" everything we try to raise awareness about. You know this. No need to get smug.
"We're not making accusations, nor can we "prove" everything we try to raise awareness about."
You are making accusations. Saying that the staff on a pornographic movie are usually rapists, or usually employ force IS an accusation.
Okay, so you can't prove what you're saying. That's fair enough, since many true things cannot be proven. How about offering even a little bit of unequivocal evidence?
Otherwise anyone can accuse someone of anything and there's no burden of proof.
m3141592, I refuse to waste my time and reformulate myself ad infinitum with you putting words in my mouth in an increasingly more than passive-aggressive way instead of reading what's actually written in response to your smug questions & counter-arguments.
Your point about the secretary was dull and not really holding up strong here, she means force and making someone do something in a way, like in porn, means the same thing. You can't throw in "make someone laugh" and hold it relevant to the topic. Please stay on topic or we'll have to ask you to leave. Thanks.
She & the interviewer & the camera man & everybody else who supports porn make me so ANGRY in response to this aggression, violence & my knowing that there are people of any gender & almost any age that condone this shit.
It shocks me, too, that those supporting the anti-porn movement ALSO get desensitized, possibly as a survival mechanism.
I'm starting to wonder during my regular daily interactions with males what their stance on this is...and the answer is obvious.
As a woman, if our Miss Delilah Weak called me a whore and tried to give me orders, let's just say I'd be redefining the word hardcore all over her face — which isn't 'smokin hot' btw..
Exploiting your own kind for profit. There's just not much else lower in this world
I grew up in a trailer park dude and I fail to see how my lower-class background equate to allowing oneself to be used sexually by other people? There is so much wrong with this on so many levels.
@antiquelens Yeah it's so obnoxious. I watch stuff like this and I'm supposed to believe that somehow women in the porn industry are treated with respect?
Its not abuse when the person being hurt agrees to do it. It seems like you have an unjustified bias against porn industry.
Itsbestbro 8 months ago
It makes me sad that her first gang bang was at 15 or 16. I have a STRONG feeling that this was not of her consent. But when women are raped, some of them learn to turn it around in their heads so that they think that is what they enjoy.
It makes me sad. No girl wants to be boned by six guys in the back of a van....and if she does....chances are she was already victimized before that happens.
ojthe3rd 2 years ago
Thank you ojthe3rd; I completely agree with you and I am glad to see your sanity among (generally) a YT crowd of misogynists. Good points on the high likelihood of her having been victimized prior to her "gangbang" and her turning this traumatic experience into a tool (= porn) to numb her pain.
JoinPornBusters 2 years ago
@JoinPornBusters - What terrifies me is that the guy doing this mockery of an interview, and the camera man probably have nieces!! Very scary.....and gross........
Keep up the great work!! And continue to post videos like this, it is so necessary to wake people up.
ojthe3rd 2 years ago
Is it so bad that some people enjoy this?
grimshawr 2 years ago 2
Give the babe a break. What you got against her?
quickfump 2 years ago 2
delilah the queen of SPERMCOCTAIL
The2337321277 2 years ago 5
This is where porn culture take you, then the people who watch it take it further. Creating Rape!
DaneVincentVid 2 years ago
OMG FIFTEEEN?????!!!! WTF
yzzinesslevisash 2 years ago
I know...
antiquelens 2 years ago
This is a scary interview. Really shows the blurring lines of reality and pornography for those involved with pornography, Even though I'm sure she's just acting, that she's willing to present those things she's saying as real and realistic is terrifying.
PornHurtsEveryone 2 years ago
I propose you scrub the majority of the comments below. People are on board with this or they are not. It's that simple. Porn (which is now a very loose term that encompasses everything from erotica to sexual abuse) is an extreme example of human commodification, not the worst, but one of the worst, and one we are being conditioned to tolerate. It's a no brainer, and it's time people waked up to the reality of this, the "dissenting opinion" we see here is the product of manufactured consent.
digimaton 2 years ago 3
P.S. you'd better block my friends account aswell, if you're serious about censoring dissent. Pre-approving comments would have been more honest though.
DeWhIsTr 2 years ago
Pre-approving comments usually reeks havoc on the convo speed...blocking is easier. We're not censoring you, we block trolls.
JoinPornBusters 2 years ago
As you wish. Just coincidence.
DeWhIsTr 2 years ago
Is it also coincidence that you sound exactly like m3141592 under a different name?
Iloved1stgrade 2 years ago
ugh, i hate trollssss
antiquelens 2 years ago
This is not an issue of dishonesty on our part. We didn't delete any of your comments. The fact that you continue under a new channel as before hasn't changed anything at all. Stick to the topic or leave.
JoinPornBusters 2 years ago 2
JPB;
"non-stop smugness"
I don't know whether that's paranoia or a histrionic device. What would you count as non-smug? Not knowing anything about people or the world and agreeing with everything you say without thinking about it rationally?
I really think you're over reacting.
DeWhIsTr 2 years ago
JPB;
"I refuse to waste my time"
Well, it's best if I leave you to it then. There are plenty of people who already agree with you who you can talk to, then you won't have to worry about your arguments making sense or being based on observed reality.
DeWhIsTr 2 years ago
wow ,
thank you for sharing this
damienguitar 2 years ago
modern slavery...
sad.
GOD hates sin.
pebi86 2 years ago
I am going to read a testimonial from a fantastic book, that has tons and tons of facts and real life testimonials and a real look into the porn industry - the video will be up sometime tonight, i think i will attach it to this video in hopes of people looking outside their box of ignorance on the issue.
antiquelens 2 years ago
I saw a doco quite awhile ago about a female censorship porn reviewer in Canada. It was or is different over there. There was a strong ephasis on consent. I remember a scene they were watching where a girl was with two guys, all clothed, and she looked fine with that, but when 2 or 3 more guys came on the set she looked horrified, and that video wasn't given a classification or banned, whatever they do there. Just to throw one example in.
leftredshoe 2 years ago
Thanks to feminism and women lib. With her freedom, she chose to be a pornstar.
This is what happens when you give freedom to people who can't handle freedom.
freeeeeeespirit 2 years ago
Freespirit:
Who GAVE women freedom?
How is Delilah 'free'?
chocolatepoundcake 2 years ago
How about you tell me this, who forced her to be a pornstar? Her father? or perhaps her partner? or may be her brother.
She had plenty of other decent options in a developed country like USA, but no, she chose the easy way out, selling her beauty (!) and body. It was her and only her who chose to become this, that's how she exercised her liberty.
freeeeeeespirit 2 years ago
freespirit, I don't know the answer to your questions, do you?
Maybe it was one of them, maybe all, maybe someone else, it's possible, right? Maybe someone familiarized her with sex so early that she associated it with love, as so common with abuse victims, which in turn are rampant in the porn industry. Yes, victims. It was not their CHOICE.
You sound very naive. Please educate yourself on porn through ex-industry-members, slubben is one example.
JoinPornBusters 2 years ago
I feel like reading out of my book, that has been edited in many volumes, and looks at many aspects of the porn industry, not to mention testimonials of women who worked in it for years and years. How much rape, suicide and addiction is in the industry, how many women ARE coerced like the star from deep throat in the early 70s'
antiquelens 2 years ago
Naive? Indeed. 'Slubben' is one example. I can give you at least a thousand example where students from decent families escorting/doing porn on side to get quick and easy bucks. Why? because working in a bar/restaurant is just not paying her bills for brand products. You need to get out and look even more, just don't come up with the information you chose to see.
freeeeeeespirit 2 years ago
"Yes, victims...blah blah". Stop playing that old 'victim' card. Life is not all great and peachy. There's millions of women in 3rd world countries working in factories for less than $100 /month or less, daily being sexually/mentally/physically abused by someone at that shitty work place. But they don't switch to pornstar/prostitution the next day. Life is tough but full of choices, freedom or no freedom, there's always a decent way to live. Question is, whether they'll fight for it or take...
freeeeeeespirit 2 years ago
easy way out.
You wanna hear about 'CHOICE'? Let me tell you about choices people now a days make. A receptionist in my workplace was going to holidays in Dubai and escorting 4-5 times in that period to get hard cash for shopping/holiday expenses. Obviously, company sacked her once the secret came out. What she do? instead of finding a new job, she enrolled into full time escorting, in UK and Mid-east. Her excuse - 'I enjoy sex and it's good money." A great choice indeed!
freeeeeeespirit 2 years ago
Okay, please LOOK at the porn vs choice video that is on this channel. Please look at the possibility that she was driven to this lifestye, by perhaps abuse in her childhood, which is a common reason women get into the industry. I am reading a book with more facts about harms and testimonies for porn stars, and trust me, it's not something liberating, okay? It's the opposite.
antiquelens 2 years ago
Selling her beauty and body - she's become a commodity, please explain how being sold as a product, which you just confirmed, is liberation?
antiquelens 2 years ago
No it's not liberation. She had the liberty to become whatever she wanted (at least something decent), but she chose to become this - that's what I said.
freeeeeeespirit 2 years ago
I'd like to know what type of porn is being downloaded freely and paid for, not just the dvd sales.
leftredshoe 2 years ago
First "gangbang" at fifteen?! =o
Seems like she's very proud.
CoconutHorse 2 years ago 3
That does seem exploitative. It seems like her self destructive and exhibitionist tendencies are being exploited.
But then I don't know how much control she has over what is happens, which is relevant.
I'm also curious how much of the market this sort of thing represents. What this person is describing sounds like it's quite far out on the fringe.
m3141592 2 years ago
A recent study shows abusive porn is not the exception but the rule in top selling porn:
- 89.8% of scenes included either verbal or physical aggression
- 48% contained verbal aggression
- 82.2% contained physical aggression
- 94.4% of the aggressive acts were targeted at women
- 70% of pornography's audience is straight males watching alone
Links to study & video at my channel.
Porn abuse levels can also be confirmed at AVN(.)com charts by reviewing best-selling porn titles/descriptions/content
AntiPornographyBlog 2 years ago 4
You're proposing a causal relationship between the preponderance of this behaviour in porn and it's prevalence in people's sex lives?
Which is to say, did more people start treating each other roughly at home when it was shown more in the studio?
Otherwise it's impossible to say which is the cause and which is the effect. Do violent movies make people violent, or do violent people just chose to watch violent movies?
I'll look at the report.
m3141592 2 years ago
I'd say it's a vicious cycle and works both ways. At the very least, violent people didn't turn violent out of nowhere.
chocolatepoundcake 2 years ago
"At the very least, violent people didn't turn violent out of nowhere. "
So do you think without violent movies there would be no violence? Or do you think that humans have no innate aggressive tendencies?
Perhaps it would be worth looking at cultures with very little pornography (like afganistan or mongolian nomads) and see if they're any gentler with women on average.
m3141592 2 years ago
You're twisting my words around.
I don't think there was NO violence before violent movies, or that humans had to aggressive tendencies.
HOWEVER, such tendencies are intensified through violent movies or violence from any source. The amount of violence seen today from various sources has been unsurpassed to date.
This would apply to most people on this planet. I don't know the status of porn in Afghanistan or Mongolia. Considering the state these countries are in, your argument is absurd.
JoinPornBusters 2 years ago
He/She is simply trolling and pulling out irrelevant examples to get you to talk about something that has nothing about this video. If he/she ceases to stick to the topic, i would either ignore them or block them. This is a place to debate the video at hand, not to go off on tangents and mess around with your words
antiquelens 2 years ago
"such tendencies are intensified through violent movies or violence from any source."
I suppose that's possible. Though the clinical studies haven't shown proof either way.
" The amount of violence seen today from various sources has been unsurpassed to date."
Today's world is more violent than any other time in human history? What exactly are you basing that on? The fact that medieval times were so polite and gentle? The reputation for kindness and pacifism that the mongol hordes had?
m3141592 2 years ago
What is meant is that violence is learned. For example, a person going into war may not be a violent person, they may go through extensive desensitization and conditioning in training that will make them able to show more aggression.
I don't think you can compare, at least with any relevance, how women are treated in countries that lack porn. We're not looking at them. We're looking at our porn industry. Please stay on topic, thank you.
antiquelens 2 years ago 2
Thank you APB,
I find it hard to believe though that only 48% contained verbal aggression...I wonder how they defined aggression. Words like "Hey, bitch, nice tits" it qualifies as aggressive for me. And which porn doesn't have this type of language in it.
chocolatepoundcake 2 years ago
I don't think it's considered fringe anymore. Porn needs to keep pushing more and more boundaries in order to "stay fresh" which is why people are tuning into younger girls, like sasha grey, who are willing to do just about anything. gonzo and bdsm are in huge demand.
antiquelens 2 years ago
Perhaps you're right. That does seem to be how other parts of the media operate; becoming an exaggerated distortion of what they claim to represent.
My default position is doubt until I see a peer-reviewed scientific paper, but I don't know whether there are any about this.
m3141592 2 years ago
Proof if it were needed that porn is in noway representative of sex.
That's what annoys me about people who defend the porn industry, they act like it's just showing people engaging in intercourse. Well that's not the problem, the problem is the constant violence and cruelty that is thrown in.
That's not sex, it's torture for the sake of entertainment. It's our societies version of throwing Christians to the lions.
amhemsley 2 years ago
"It's our societies version of throwing Christians to the lions. "
Do you think this sort of thing only started when porn videos were invented? I suspect that a similar % of people were interested in treating each other roughly before videos existed.
I don't have any figures though.
m3141592 2 years ago
It only became wide spread through our media when porn started. The point is porn is encouraging the behavior by portraying it as normal sexual activity.
amhemsley 2 years ago 3
"The point is porn is encouraging the behavior by portraying it as normal sexual activity."
Are they though? If there are lots of different types that encourage different behaviours, and people can choose which they prefer, I don't see how that can be true.
Is it possible it's the other way round, that the predilections a % of people have always had are reflected in the media?
m3141592 2 years ago
exactly!
antiquelens 2 years ago
Yes, totally agree 100%
If porn = sex, then i don't ever want to have sex!
I am always getting "you must think sex is disgusting, then" when the reality is, exactly what you said, porn is not sex.
antiquelens 2 years ago
I think I know what you mean, but I still freeze for a moment when I read 'porn is not sex', as it obviously shows sexual activity (=porn is not asexual, meaning without sexual organs), but it's not ONLY sex and not THE ONLY KIND of sex, the way I see it.
chocolatepoundcake 2 years ago
Sorry - what i mean is it doesn't represent sexuality and intercourse as amhemsley said.
antiquelens 2 years ago
2:04 sounds more like 'horse', not 'whore'....even worse then!! How many animals might be involved with this!?!?!
chocolatepoundcake 2 years ago 2
I want there to be some international DATABASE that lists people from the sex industry, which everybody has access to. Employers, educational facilities, private individuals.
If they have nothing to hide, they'd happily oblige. Even be proud of it, right?
The viewing of this shit should also be registered. Again, if there's nothing wrong with it, people should be OK with it.
This is abuse, this is full-fledged violence, this is rape, whose definition we need to redefine.
I'm BOILING!!!!
chocolatepoundcake 2 years ago
"Again, if there's nothing wrong with it, people should be OK with it."
That is a terrible argument for anything, and frankly too right wing for my taste. If there activities are legal they should not be persecuted.
"this is rape"
I think you go too far. Is there evidence to suggest anything non-consensual is involved?
m3141592 2 years ago
1:13 and 1:59 should be self-explanatory.
When you MAKE somebody do something, you FORCE them. In a sexual context, this is called RAPE. Also, in this context, lack of ongoing consent turns porn into RAPE.
During minutes of research I did on porn recently, I came across a twisted set of circumstances which would classify as rape in a video. That's just the very tip of the iceberg.
Let me ask YOU: Is there evidence to prove that EVERYTHING a movie shows is in fact 100% planned & consensual?
chocolatepoundcake 2 years ago 2
The choice to do your job or get fired is still a choice.
I do not agree that giving instructions to an employee is forcing them, except in the sense that all capitalism is force. Money is a form of coercion in a capitalist society I suppose, but it is one which the vast majority of people accept.
m3141592 2 years ago
"The choice to do your job or get fired is still a choice."
Remember your line when this is your predicament & you're in dire straits.
JoinPornBusters 2 years ago
"Remember your line when this is your predicament & you're in dire straits. "
I've made that choice several times. You speak out of ignorance. Again.
m3141592 2 years ago
Hmm...an accusation on your part. Without a reference to your knowledge of me? Ts ts ts...double standards...
JoinPornBusters 2 years ago
If you don't want people to question your opinions, I suggest that posting it on a public forum without pre-approving the comments is not the best way to go about it.
If you want to make accusations without backing them up with a description of unequivocal evidence, I suggest you preface those remarks with "in my opinion" or "it is possible".
m3141592 2 years ago
And I suggest that if you want to keep a discussion going on a decent level of communication, you conduct yourself accordingly without your non-stop smugness.
I provided references throughout the entire video. Just because you don't see (and like to see) what I see does not mean I make 'accusations'.
Your conduct lets me assume that you were here to argue, not to learn something.
JoinPornBusters 2 years ago
"When you MAKE somebody do something, you FORCE them."
That isn't always the case. You're conflating two terms which don't mean the same thing. For example, you might make a secretary type a letter, or make someone laugh, which aren't what we usually mean when we say 'force'.
"Is there evidence to prove that EVERYTHING a movie shows is in fact 100% planned & consensual? "
I don't know, but I'm not the one making accusations, so I don't bear the burden of proof.
m3141592 2 years ago
m314, I think you are arguing for the sake of it.
You're taking the term FORCE out of context. This is a video about porn, not an authentic office environment. When someone makes someone do something during a porn shooting, especially what I gather from Delilah specifically, it's guaranteed to involve violence & sadism.
We're not making accusations, nor can we "prove" everything we try to raise awareness about. You know this. No need to get smug.
JoinPornBusters 2 years ago
Yes, they are just arguing nothing and getting nowhere. I don't think he/she really needs us to keep driving him/her on their road going nowhere.
antiquelens 2 years ago
"We're not making accusations, nor can we "prove" everything we try to raise awareness about."
You are making accusations. Saying that the staff on a pornographic movie are usually rapists, or usually employ force IS an accusation.
Okay, so you can't prove what you're saying. That's fair enough, since many true things cannot be proven. How about offering even a little bit of unequivocal evidence?
Otherwise anyone can accuse someone of anything and there's no burden of proof.
m3141592 2 years ago
m3141592, I refuse to waste my time and reformulate myself ad infinitum with you putting words in my mouth in an increasingly more than passive-aggressive way instead of reading what's actually written in response to your smug questions & counter-arguments.
JoinPornBusters 2 years ago
Your point about the secretary was dull and not really holding up strong here, she means force and making someone do something in a way, like in porn, means the same thing. You can't throw in "make someone laugh" and hold it relevant to the topic. Please stay on topic or we'll have to ask you to leave. Thanks.
antiquelens 2 years ago
She & the interviewer & the camera man & everybody else who supports porn make me so ANGRY in response to this aggression, violence & my knowing that there are people of any gender & almost any age that condone this shit.
It shocks me, too, that those supporting the anti-porn movement ALSO get desensitized, possibly as a survival mechanism.
I'm starting to wonder during my regular daily interactions with males what their stance on this is...and the answer is obvious.
Great job, Antiquelens!
chocolatepoundcake 2 years ago 2
As a woman, if our Miss Delilah Weak called me a whore and tried to give me orders, let's just say I'd be redefining the word hardcore all over her face — which isn't 'smokin hot' btw..
Exploiting your own kind for profit. There's just not much else lower in this world
WarRogers 2 years ago 4
I grew up in a trailer park dude and I fail to see how my lower-class background equate to allowing oneself to be used sexually by other people? There is so much wrong with this on so many levels.
nuclearnight 2 years ago 4
I know...he's trying to pretend he's so "higher up" somehow...he's just a scumbag.
My parents live in a trailer park for a long time, and they didn't act like this...or anywhere near it.
I can't believe the way the men in the video treat her.
antiquelens 2 years ago 7
@antiquelens Yeah it's so obnoxious. I watch stuff like this and I'm supposed to believe that somehow women in the porn industry are treated with respect?
nuclearnight 2 years ago 2
great vid!
readingandwriting7 2 years ago 2