I wouldn't bother with the obvious engineered sleeping zombies in this forum. They are 99.999% trolls with a bone to pick against God. It very obvious to any one, who is spiritually inclined, to see the easily provable FACT, that everything was, is and will continue to be governed by intelligent design or what Sir Thomas Aquinas had dubbed the "unmoved mover." If you study advanced particle physics,advanced mathematics like torus mathematics,Pi, etc. you'll have even MORE overkill evidence!
@teargardens I'd like to see your indisputable proof using "advanced particle physics" or Pi (inb4 higgs boson hasn't been cracked yet). For Christ's sake, take a basic biology course. Do some research into allele frequencies, genotypes, phenotypes, importance of haploid gametes created by meiosis, importance of sexual reproduction, dna cross-overs, or even the simple creation of specific dog breeds.
fallacy: "But no oxygen means no protection from the ultraviolet rays from the sun and life could not exist. Life would die."
there were all sorts of organisms that could survive in incredible temperatures before the planet was oxygenated. I can't remember what they were, think they were bacteria. whatever it was, they were very simple autotrophs that survived despite the harsh conditions. read a college biology book.
@viciousrape There has always been oxygen in the atmosphere. Without this thin but critical layer of oxygen in the ozone layer, all life sources would be annihilated due to ultraviolet radiation destroying their chemical bonds.
@LxE100 You know you're fucking retarded, right? Oxygen actually did not exist until early heterotrophs expelled it into the atmosphere as a by-product. Early life forms did not use oxygen--they were anaerobic. The reason being, the existence of oxygen inhibited important compounds from being formed in the Earth's toxic oceans. It wasn't until much later in history did oxygen even begin to even show up. Biomolecules are and were highly susceptible to oxidation.
Your calculations are meaningless for multiple reasons. 1. Biochemistry is not chance, tell any Biochemist that chemical reactions are dictated by chance and you'll get punched. 2. Here are a multitude of proteins capable of forming life, not one specific protein. 3. When you say "thousands of amino acids" you forget that the earliest lifeforms would have been much more simple than the current and complex ones. 4. You mix up Abiogenesis and Evolution.
@DaFleegsta In fact, if an animal gave birth to a different species of animal, or if an animal transformed (Are their ideas of Evolution something like Pokemon?) into a different animals in their lifetime, than that would prove Evolution to be false and Creation correct.
@DaFleegsta True that, if a Creationist says proof for Evolution is only if one animal give birth to a different one, or it would be proof if hey could observe one animal transform to another is ludicrous and only shows their lack of comprehension for how Evolution works. And he's just way too stubborn. If someone were to give evidence that is simple enough for anyone to accept, can you imagine him saying "Yep, I was wrong, Evolution happens."
Even if this video did disprove something, it would be disproving Abiogenesis. Evolution is a fact and theory, it is observable and all life fits perfecty in it's predicted order. Fossil record shows it, genetic drift and mutations shows it, natural selection is a proven principle, etc. Evolution makes no claim on the origin of life.
You fail to understand that evolution and abiogenisis are two seperate starnds of science. If you want to discuss evolution then do so. But do not start with abiogenisis. You also fail to understand the concept of abiogenisis. Have you actually read anything other than the titles of books/papers? I find this insulting. Your incredulity does not disprove anything...
Often all we need is a general understanding of genetics to understand evolution. The mutations that change genetic material lead to different traits, etc..
@iliveon Mutations are random and rarely beneficial to the species, if ever. They cannot account for a transferring of species, such as from reptiles to birds, nor could they contribute.
@samsonvide0s Look at a scientific journal for a beneficial mutation Mr scientist. Its not hard to look up. Here, I'll find one for you. Secondly, if you are still thinking evolution happened over a short amount of time, I'll redirect you to the age of the earth: 4.54billion years. There is a nonsensus that life at the bacterial level was here within 2billion years time. I'll send u a website with some examples of small evolution of microbes found in the lab. Note: short time period.
@iliveon I do not believe evolution happened over a short period of time. I believe the theory of Evolution is a fictional fairytale, borrowing the fact of adaptation and natural selection to produce its falsities. The difference between "4.54billion years" and "2billion years" can only be described using fairytale language, hidden from logic under the guise of science, which any evolutionist will boldly use.
@samsonvide0s I think you are sincerely lost when it comes to science. Its sad that people have been led to think the repeatable and testable scientific method is false. Sorry bro.
@samsonvide0s The theory is that although most mutations will be harmful they will be eliminated by natural selection. The rare favourable mutation will be selected in favour of and hence lead to evolution.
I think, you are seeying from a particular point of view. Our universe is not just probability, its also mathematics, it is designed to work with perfection, maybe if we see fine truth the isolated variables in the ecuation, we can asume can't be done, but there are million of variables that we dont see to make possible that happen, life.
Another staggering but more entertaining fact is that when playing the card game 'Bridge' , the odds of you drawing an exact hand with numbers and suits is described as a binomial coefficient N = (52 cards / 13 cards per hand ) = 635013559600.
Yes, your chance of drawing any particular hand that you dream up is 1 chance in 635 BILLION !. Yet, it happens , we know so. Odds are only odds, not governing forces.
@JesusWasAnAsshole Even if the odds permitted that such elements would combine, they certainly would not turn on, and begin replicating, by accident, and then eventually turn into human beings, by accident. A little glance in the mirror should prove to anyone that Logic is inevitably denied with Evolution. But this, most will continue to ignore until it is too late.
@samsonvide0s But it's not by accident. Mutations happen, and then the individual which benefits from them survives better and produces more offspring, which in turn carry the beneficial gene. Then they produce offspring too. Yes, mutations are rare. That's why it took so long! But it's ridiculous to say evolution doesn't happen. Every year when people get sick with a new flu virus, it's because the old flu virus was killed off, except for a few individuals which were resistant. Evolution.
@samsonvide0s I totally agree. The Theory of Evolution has too many flaws to even exist. Why do people take the risk in being agnostic or atheist based off the hope that this incredible spontaneous generation really occured when Bible stories have been proven true and miracles are left unexplained? Humans can be such amazing creatures, and then such pathetic ones. It's truly amazing that we can observe bits and pieces of both heaven and hell right here on earth.
@LxE100 , Humans are pathetic, I agree. Who could possibly believe a story about somebody walking on water, or talking snakes, or placing two of every animal in a boat, or somebody getting swallowed and living in a whale. Yes, humans are pathetic.
@JesusWasAnAsshole First of all, your Youtube name and picture is extremely offensive. Your pride has probably gotten the best of you, just like many other atheist and agnostic people.
@LxE100 It's Truly amazing that Wild soulless beast's created from Random Mutations talk about things like good and Evil, " oh those 19 hi jackers killing 3000 people in WTC were evil " " Oh al Quaida is Evil lets wage for for 20 years " " we can wage war, we are the good guys " " They are the evil "
" A lion killing other lions Cubs are not evil " " but when a human eat another humans Child it's Evil " Atheist Forget about evil and good, it should'n exist
@LxE100 I just explained the hypocrisy of a Mutated soulless being that came out of Natural selection and survival of the fittest, talking about Good and evil.
@mukkohaha I'm sorry, but your writing is pathetic. You spelled al-Qaeda completely wrong. Do you think I'm an atheist? If you do, you're mistaken. When a lion kills a lion cub, it means nothing. Animals are based solely on instinct. Reason is the only difference, which is why we rule over such creatures. I also believe in creationism, not the unscientific theory of macroevolution.
@LxE100 i'm sorry ain't any not good at Arabic. Yes i thought you were atheist.
Yes animals can't do good or evil. Yes they are based solely on instincts. I also believe in Creationism.
So we agree in everything, How is my views then pathetic :) ? or did you refer to the misspelling ? this is so weird, i thought you were evolutionist minded ^^ haha so sorry :)
@mukkohaha I was referring to your grammatical errors, and your misspelling, when I used the word pathetic. It isn't a problem, and I'm sorry about calling your writing pathetic. :)
@LxE100 In your own Definition your wild Soulless beast's the Result of Billions of random Mutations and yet you speak about good and evil ? humanitarianism ?
hey hey ? i thought it were about Natural selection and Survival of the fittest.
@JesusWasAnAsshole "Yes, your chance of drawing any particular hand that you dream up is 1 chance in 635 BILLION !. Yet, it happens", your using faith by saying that it happened out of 1 chance out of 635 billion. You dont know for a fact that it happened, your believing in something that you dont have evidence for so you are using faith.
@JesusWasAnAsshole The probability of evolution happening as it happened is the same probability as you rolling the six on a die.....10 million times in a row.
This primordial soup he speaks of could have been everywhere. Perhaps 1 cosmic soup per star. (most likely dozens per star)
Lets say that every star cooks some soup at the rate of 1 billion amino searching tests per second. So, every star, in the universe, cooking away, every second, nonstop. for 3.5 Bn yrs (time the soup is not too hot or too cool)
What kind of numbers does the produce ? (continued)
@JesusWasAnAsshole 1 thing 4 sure likelihood of an unknowin, allpowerful, perfect from the second came 2 existance, creator coming out of nothing with any form of evolution is millions, if not billion or trillions times less likely.
even a simple minded person can c that. i dont understand the meanin of this video, obviousely a creator like that is less slikely than the universe so what the point of this retarded video?LOL
its just rediculous to overlook this important fact, IT NON-SCIENTIFIC
All flesh [is] not the same flesh: but [there is] one [kind of] flesh of men, another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, [and] another of birds. (1st Corinthians 15:39).
Its so funny No No sad that evolution Fairytale believers rate this video down, but can not argue with what this man says he is making completly valid Scientific points proving with Science and math that evolution is impossible. You can prove evolution is a scam just by using common sense. Praise God our Creator.
Anyone interested in learning some more real Science check out my favorited videos.
The probability of water molecules evaporating from anywhere on the Earth and subsequently coming together above my head to produce a raindrop that hits me on the head is - 1 in 10 to the one septillion power. That many zeros is about one million times greater than all of the characters in all of the books and copies of books ever created by man…
You guys are all making some good points, making this Creation/Evolution question a popular debated topic. I think this makes sense. If God created you, He did it for a reason, from which you are currently neglecting and living 180 degrees. This decision would certainly bring you grave consequences. But If as you desperately claim, God does not exist, then you're at liberty to do whatever you want, as long as the local authority is in the dark.
@samsonvide0s , If god was all loving and good, he would not create humans knowing that he would someday abolish them to a hell for not following simple rules. That is sadistic. You would also think he would show up now and then, like oh... once every hundred years to check in. Not play some narcissistic cosmic game of praise me or else !
@samsonvide0s , I wonder if Kaylee Anthony or Zahra Baker believed in god ? Those poor little girls sure got fucked over by the lord almighty on high.
@yynnmmbb " If god was all loving and good, he would not create humans knowing that he would someday abolish them to a hell for not following simple rules" ....... are you creating your own God? do you know how god thinks?
@yynnmmbb praise me or else? you have a misconception of God, and christianity through the media. Read the bible on your own, and do not take things out of context.
@yynnmmbb actually, most atheists that I know are scared. They fear accountability for their actions, and thus, decide not to believe what is blatantly obvious.
@linuxfan57 most theists r the 1s that hide behind "god" 2 defend their irrational behavior & releave themselves of responsibility.
assumin ur christian, in ur religion bein good doesnt amount 2 anythin unless u accept jesus as u lord & even more rediculous is the fact that bein bad doesnt amount 2 punishment either as simply sayin i repent & accept jesus as my lord just releaves u of responsibility.
u kill some1 u hurt them not god. religion errases responsibility 2 humanity
@k8k8k8er You clearly do not understand Christianity or Christian principles. Good is good, bad is bad, regardless of whether or not you are Christian. Good does amount to something, and bad does deserve punishment. If someone has the mentality of "I can do anything I want because I accepted Jesus", I would question whether or not they are Christians because a true Christian desires to do good because God has done so much good for them. Make sense?
@linuxfan57 Oh? So jesus saying the only way to the father is through me had no meaning? it was just a bunch of non-sense? He couldn’t just say its through being good?
Or not holding the sabath holy (as it is said in the 10 commandments) means u should b stoned, is nonsense as well?
many more which I don’t think I need 2 mention. Unless u realy want me 2.
I think my friend ur the 1 that doesn’t really understand the true face of religion and simply hasnt bothered to find more about it not me.
@k8k8k8er Huge misinterpretation from someone who clearly lacks understanding. Being good does NOT GET YOU TO HEAVEN! Being good is what comes as a result of being saved by God's grace. Thus, the fruits of faith in God are good works. Consider this: Faith + God's Grace = salvation + good works NOT good works = salvation
@linuxfan57 LOL ok bud. U know u have no proper answer so how about u just refrain from making urself look even more foolish. A proper approach would have been u quoting the 2 commandments I mentioned & say bcz of “this…& this… I don’t think their not ridiculous”. But obviously u cant instead u type in a formula that with ur wishful thinking u attribute to abrahamic religions. Sorry its doesn’t cut it bud, u have to deal with th topic i brought up not to use segway into something else. LOL
@linuxfan57 good + FAITH = salvation?I assume just good DOESNT equal salvation in ur religion, y else would u need FAITH in that equation if its not important? EXACTLY MY 1ST COMMENT 2 U. so y did u waste both our times?
y the hell did u waste our time bud? If FAITHs important in ur belief system 2 reach salvation then y the hell did u reply 2 my 1st comment?
And why does ur religion have repentance? What is the point of that if it doesn’t absolve wrong doing? What is the POINT OF IT?
@samsonvide0s this “gift” aint free, its @ the cost of suspendin ur logic & rational.
BTW ur prayers r irrelavent, if u read story of Moses, pharaoh actually wanted 2 let jews go but ur “god” changed pharoahs mind, leadin 2 misery 4 Egyptians. So "god" actually locks mind & heart as it wishes & doesn’t care if u pray or not. Mayb like pharaoh ur god has locked my heart. But thankfully ur “god” doesn’t exist.
But hey thanks 4 puttin in the good word 4 me with ur imaginary friend. All the best
samson, u are a fool..no scientist supports spontaneous generation. spontaneous generation was falsified in the 1800's!!..the actual current theory is abiogenesis, which consists of several different models.
and regarding probability..instead of listening to this goof ball, look up abiogenesis probability on google, and go to the site called "talkorigins"..you'll learn a lot.
u silly, condescending man..u are absolutely incorrect, and obviously do your research via creationist sources..abiogenesis and spontaneous generation are not just different names for the same process..would u like to do some more research and try again, or would u like me to teach YOU something before u die?
1. abiogenesis or biopoesis is the study of how biological life arises from inorganic matter.
2. Spontaneous generation is a term regarding the origin of life from inanimate matter.
Its the same idea. Its basically the same thing. The only difference is Abiogenesis attaches a different process to explain how organic life came from absolute junk material.
Whether spontaneously or through process its the same thing man.
ahh i see, you're not gonna address your stupidity displayed in your previous comment, are ya?..again, would u like me to explain to u the difference between abiogenesis, and spontaneous generation, or do u wanna do it yourself?
Its the basic idea that is flawed that which is living can come from the which is not."
the differences are very important..spontaneous generation of something living, from something which is not living, has been proven to be impossible..but, abiogenesis, which is a very gradual development, has been shown to be probable..watch cdk007's video on abiogenesis.
it sounds to me like you're basically implying that life coming from non-life is unlikely, and that since abiogenesis and spontaneous generation both refer to life coming from non-life, they are somehow equally improbable..but, that's incorrect. Dr. Jack Szostak has a very detailed and experimentally validated model explaining how abiogenesis could have occurred on the pre-biotic earth. there aren't as many leaps as u suspect.. /watch?v=U6QYDdgP9eg
You need to read up on Oparin. Hes an evolutionist. And even he said there are too many problems with the climate of the earth 6 billion years ago for replication and metabolism to ever make the point of being a living cell.
This argument is all about whether or not a living cell could have not only risen in the environment of the time which Oparin says is highly unlikely but also replicated and metabolized.
Ogel said 'Complete recirculation takes 10 million years, thus any organic compounds produced by then would be altered or destroyed by temperatures exceeding 300 °C (572 °F). They estimate that the development of a 100 kilobase genome of a DNA/protein primitive heterotroph into a 7000 gene filamentous cyanobacterium would have required only 7 Ma.[31]'
The issue here is the environment of the earth when inorganic precursors would have manifested.
firstly, this was suggested by Lazcano and Miller. what they suggested is that the rapidity of the evolution of life is dictated by the rate of recirculating water through mid-ocean submarine vents. "Complete recirculation takes 10 million years, thus any organic compounds produced by then would be altered or destroyed. They estimate that the development of a heterotroph into a cyanobacterium would have required only 7 million years."
"Theres a reason why life is so scarce in the Universe."
LOL..we don't know if life is or isn't scarce in the universe. life could very well be prevalent, or we could be the only intelligent life. we really have no idea.
"So tell me at what point will you poor little evolutionist babies figure out exactly how anything ever made it out of the sludge pond? lol"
abiogenesis has nothing to do with evolution.
"sludge pond"..u mean the millions of simultaneous chemical reactions that were occurring all over the pre-biotic earth for billions of years, that eventually formed into cells, and eventually life?
@linuxfan57 I suggest u start with readin 10 commandments & c that that not holdin any other gods b4 god (jewish 1)& holding sabath holy rnt really the drawing lines between good & evil that the abrahamic god wishes human 2 follow. I assume not followin them is a sin. So tell me hows it that if I work Friday or whatever can that b considered as BAD?
Again theres much much more, but I think just this 1 example shows good & bad aint all that this “god” cares about. It has REDICULOUS rules 2
The chances of life just springing out of nothing spontaneously as the creationists claim are pretty much zero. Life actually evolved. Listen to the scientists.
The probability of life spontaneously generating from organic matter, ignoring all of the complex chemical processes in between, on earth given certain conditions in a single instance isn't very good. However their wasn't a single instance, the earth is huge and we know how 'the building blocks of life' spontaneously generate and accumulate. Failing to factor in how many opportunities there were in your calculations is quite a big error.
We have a period of how many years in which life could have originated, and how vast is the surface of the earth in which this "experiment" was being run. Quite alot on both counts. Or was there just enough nucleotides and other organic bricker brack to make a single cell on a slice of earth smaller then width of a hair? Gee I wonder.
Have you considered that there are probably billions upon billions of planets that can support life as we know it and definitely a thousand times more that could support life we can't possibly conceive of. Repeat your experiment billions upon billions of times and it would be a miracle of life had not arisen somewhere.
There is only One God. He is All-Powerful and has created everything you see and everything that exists invisible to your eyes. He has always existed and will always exist in a dimension called "Eternity".
1 chance in a bizillion is more than the 0 religions have.
It's even less probable of a chance of a even more complex God thingy magicking everything with spoken incantations.
magic VS reality. The .000000000000000000000000000000000000000001% is more than the God man created in their primitive mind that can't even be coherently defined.
@TheHellmur Well He already created the frog as a frog.I'm just giving and evo-atheists an easy way to prove he can take life that was and just recreate it,it should be easy according to evo-atheists. Maybe it didn't happen the way the evo-atheists believe,ya think?
I challenge any atheist to take a LIVE frog,put it into a blender and frap until it's frog soup,now with every ingredient needed to make a frog,make one.This should be a breeze since everything one needs for frog life is in one place,this should give one billions of years of a head start,hey they can even use electricity to give the frog soup a zap.Why hasn't someone done this experiment yet since life from non-life is so easy for nature to make?
@CBALLEN , you are a moron. frogs didnt magically appear at once from thin air. once upon a time, there was a single living cell, then multiple cells, then aquatic life, then amphibian life, then life with legs, then a creature that could hop, then a frog. its called evolution. You should not have skipped science class in favor of Catechism.
@CBALLEN , so you in fact believe that frogs, dogs, cats, elephants, whales and humans just appeared all at once out of thin air ? how can you justify that ?
@yynnmmbb Ok, what i dont get about you is that you only believe things you can see, feel, or hear. Like at the end of the video put it, your a puny human shaking his fist at the almighty God which created you. Out of thin air? thin air you say? after watching this video out of thin air you say? i really have nothing more to say except that God became man, made himself nothing , lived a perfect sinless life only that he can die for people like you and me. now that my friend, is grace.
@dp100 Good Luck with your faith. Really. I started disbelieving slowly. wait a minute, "god put two of EVERY animal on an ark" ? 10 commandments just appeared, etched in stone ? Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed (including women and children) because god was mad ? jesus turned water into wine ? what is wrong with water ? the seas were parted ? a virgin pregnancy ? eventually, you will see that the bible is nothing but old stories passed along and blown out of proportion.
First of all this video is not about Evoution, it's about Abiogenesis. I suggest you stop listening to Creationists for what Science thinks about the subject and do some proper research. Abiogenesis is more developed than you may think:
If life would not of appeared, no one would be able to state its inexistence. We are biased by the simple fact we exist. We therefore believe with absolute certainty that life arosed at least once and on at least one planet.
But if life took 10 billion years for all the needed elements to be united for it to appear. And then took 4 billions years and billion of species before one of them reaches an inteligence level high enough to understand it. Our very existence proves that given a long amount of time, intelligent life CAN arose. Not that it WILL, only that it can. Biased humans are biased.
Life on earth is NOT something we can use and say: see its almost impossible to arose by itself, so it needs to have been created. Thats plain arogant to even believe humans were meant to exist. If 3 billion years ago a predator had chased a different prey, we could of never existed. Our existence is due to a unique string of events.
OH SOOO CLOSE! Almost made it one minute without saying something stupid and just plain wrong. Life didn't start with "random processes" its CHEMISTRY. That's how chemistry works! Those organic materials will automatically form in a way that creates ribosomes and RNA and thus combine to make DNA which replicate etc. To say that its random is like saying that a ball "randomly" falls to the ground when dropped. Its not random. Its science!
@shldflght , this process you explained takes place everyday, because of the fact that it is a "Programed process" the speaker doesnt doubt this. The amazing double helix is not an accident, Its the design of a Designer who knows a lot more than me and you, from whom we would learn so much if only we immersed our thoughts into His CREATED world.
@samsonvide0s And your proof of this "Designer" is....? The problem with your "programmed process" argument is that in order for it to hold any water you need to show a programmer. The laws of chemistry act the way they do because if they didn't they wouldn't be laws. We can show that no matter what setting these chemicals are in they will always act in accordance with chemical bonds etc because if they didn't they wouldn't work and wouldn't be here to be observed today.
DNA cannot be statistically analyzed because it is not random. This is an argument loaded with logical fallacy. The atoms that form DNA are attracted to each other by specific charges. It's already been proven that amino acids can form on their own if in the right conditions. It's very complex, but it is not random. DNA copying is not random either -- it's coded. I would suggest refraining from scientific explanations if you have no prior training in genetics or anything relating to it.
@BlackRaptor31 most creationists would sy tht god is eternal, never was created, blh blah blah biblicl jabber. though the definition of god is esily interchangable with the theory in quantum fisics that were all actually connected. henceforth, od could simply mean the universe in and out of itself.
I could make an entire list of your fallacies and mistakes, but there is only one you should know of. Evolution doesn't care HOW life came to be. Evolution describes how diversity comes to be once life exists.
Evolution doesn't care if it was abiogenesis (which you are confusing with evolution now) or God who conjured up the universe, or even if aliens had a cold and dropped their handkerchief into the ocean.
How do you know they're there if they're just a theory?
Now look up cell theory.
"That cell has the instruction for making up your entire body."
...no Norman, those are specialized cells. They have the instructions for making up a layer of your skin. Now how can I trust someone who doesn't know the basic facts of biology?
please dont answer this question with a question...
( i know we cant know for sure) but according to you,
supposing you are correct,
what created the particles (every atom and all the energy which exists today) used in the big bang?
And please dont labor on the correction of my terms and ignorance, you have by far more scientific knowledge and experience than I. Im just looking for a simple answer to my simple question.
The universe is not eternal, so what was in the beginning.
There's where most debate rests. There are plenty of well thought out theories about the beginning of the universe. One of my favorites is dimensional leak. It is the idea that matter from the 10th dimension leaked through wormholes to get to the 9nth, then 8th, then 7th, and so on.
@samsonvide0s We don't know. Perhaps nothing. And by that i don't mean there was nothing then something :P I mean that perhaps the matter and energy in the universe always existed just in a different form and the Big Bang was such a colossal release of energy that "created" quarks which paired up in threes to create the first atoms of hydrogen which combined and ignited to create the first stars, then fusion kicked in and the rest is history.
We'll understand more about the Big Bang when we understand the Quantum better (if we're even capable of doing so - we didn't evolve in a Quantum environment)
There will likely always be questions but it doesn't therefore follow that a super intelligence is the answer. It's a basic fallacy - an argument from ignorance.
You seem interested in this matter, you should search for m-theory. It explains how matter may have always been. If you are going with the singularity-theory (obviously, I don't make the call here, I'm not a physicist), then you have to accept there was no matter before the singularity. it is pointless to ask what was when there was no time. This is hard to imagine, I know.
There are a fair amount of somewhat understandable documentaries about this on YouTube to get you started.
@samsonvide0s , Gravity created the big bang. The universe exploded and will probably contract in the far distant future. Then, it will explode again, and contract again. You get the idea. The forces of gravity (and subsequently heat) upon the simplest of atoms (H1) create the other atoms in the universe.
This notion that since we don't understand the origin of the universe or life ... and that it requires a god ... gets nowhere because ironically, god would then need a beginning / design
Amino Acids make up proteins, proteins make up cells:
Something i picked up:
"Amino acids do not concentrate in the ocean. They disperse.
# AND even pure amino acids (made by intelligent organic chemists) will not form proteins under natural conditions. Rather, the reverse happens—proteins break down into amino acids."
The fact is, DNA is essential to process proteins out of amino acids.
But DNA is made up of proteins. So which came first, DNA or proteins?
Ever heard of RNA? What are the odds that a komplex beeing like God came into existence just like that? And by the way, Evolution is NOT a process based on random chance. Yes, the odds that Evolution takes place in the universe, is like finding the needle in a haystack (a haystack with nearly the size of our galaxy). But those (we humans) who look for the needle, ARE ON the needle. Explaining complex life with something/someone even more complex that/who created it - well that's lunacy.
Sir, you are wrong in nearly every sense of the word.
Yes, amino acids are dispersed in the ocean, but in some secluded, high energy parts of the ocean, like sulfur vents, amino acids can emerge from the earth.
DNA IS a protein. Not PROTEINS. A protein. Let me put this in to a scientific perspective for you. One polymer is like a string, be it a small string at first, but a string nonetheless. Polymers naturally attract and bond nucleotides to them through
Covalent bonds. Nucleotides are able to attract bases, again, through covalent bonds. There we go. And when one of these strands come into contact with another, they form hydrogen bonds (attractions by the polar molecule of water.) Now, you have DNA. I love how you creationists think it's so simple to create a cell. You want to learn more? Go to a high school science class before making ridiculously ignorant claims.
@samsonvide0s "The fact is, DNA is essential to process proteins out of amino acids" The problem is that while what your saying is true it is ONLY true for MODERN cells. Cells which have been evolving for billions of years!
"So which came first, DNA or proteins?"
The DNA as the primitive genetic material did not need the complex proteins.
watch this video and you'll hopefully understand. watch?v=U6QYDdgP9eg
Then read the work of Dr. Jack Szostak on abiogenesis. Educate yourself
Which came first DNA or proteins? Well, I don't know, do you? I studied 7 years of Biomedical Sciences and I don't know. Which makes it hard for me to believe you would have a higher knowledge on this issue, no offense. Plain fact is, men has since the dawn of civilization yelled 'god did it' in case of a question they couldn't answer. However, we now know that disease for example, is not caused by the wrath of God, but by bacteria, virii, fungi, protozoa, etc.
@SSTTEEAALLTTHH I respect your respectful manner. I wasnt claiming that DNA came first, neither was I suggesting that Protein came first. I was just trying to convince you that they might have appeared at the same time..by God. You have a lot of knowledge on a molecular level, which is great. I was wondering... Are there any irreducably complex organisms? Ive heard that bacterial flagellum might be of this group..what do you think? Thanks
Lightning used to be thought of as magic. the Greeks believed Zeus was angry when there was lightning, as he would throw bolts to the Earth. We now know lighting is not Zeus being angry, but an atmospheric discharge of electricity. There are countless other examples "God must be involved" is probably the most failing minute-maid answer in the history of mankind.
Also, this does not disprove evolution in any way. Evolution says nothing about the origin of life or biomolecules.
You are not the first Creationist to make this mistake, I don't know where you people mix up abiogenesis and speciation. That's why Darwins book is called "The Origin of Species", as it explains biological diversity and variety, or speciation. It's not called "The Origin of Life", nowhere does Darwin suggest he knows anything about abiogenesis. Common mistake.
Abiogenesis is young, as heliocentrism once was. But look at heliocentrism today, turned out to be quit comprehensible.
You understand nearly nothing about evolution. Yes there was little oxygen in the early atmosphere and thus no ozone; but then, life began in the oceans where water provided the necessary protection. The gist of your argument is called 'irreducible complexity'. Anyone wishing to understand why your argument is bogus should google: "irreducible complexity debunked". Evolution is both a fact (we evolved) and a theory (how we evolved). Your closed mind is not capable of accepting the real facts.
This video will have no effect on evolutionists. The word God will offend them as soon as their narrow thought brains process it. If you want to derail their train of thought don't use a reference to Him, they are as stubborn as a mule. You must introduce another "science" to our arguments-psychology especially for those with heads of asses.My point-strong argument, weak presentation.And for all those feeble minds out their yes, I am a Christian.
1. You are confusing abiogenesis with evolution. In abiogenesis, the creation of self-replicating molecules is far from random. In fact, it is a directed process that results from normal chemical and physical interactions under appropriate conditions.
2. There was almost no oxygen present on the earth 5 billion years ago. Remember that oxygen (O2) and ozone(O3 that protects us from UV light) are two different things.
3. The combination of ingredients is not random, as I said before, but is the result of regulated chemical and physical interactions. Take a basic chemistry class and you will see how this works. You cannot use random chance to calculate the probability of a self-replicating molecule because the process isn't random.
@Bradulation The oxygen environment on earth is likely the result of early photosynthesizers producing O2 and using CO2 (which comes from processes like volcanoes, etc.). This probably happened about 3 billion years ago.
Ozone is formed via several processes, but comes from oxygen reacting in strong UV light. The ozone is then broken down by UV light back into oxygen and the the process goes on like that in a cycle.
Life does not just spontaneously happen. The math Norman is using is not just a "Fluke of the numbers". THIS is the fact of the matter and the answers are spelled out clearly in the universal language of mathematics. Math is the only truly universal language. There's no dialects, inferences, tones, etc. with math. The numbers speak clearly and precisely. Anyone who argues with is not only a fool, but is afraid to face the truth of matter which is: We are not an accident nor are we happenstance.
While the possibility may exist that we sprang up from nothing into something, the math shows that the universe itself isn't old enough to have had that happen.
Therefore, the only logical conclusion one can come to, is that we are engineered creatures. By whom and for what reason we were created is cause for debate, but it simply doesn't change the cold, hard fact that we were created by an intelligent being or beings. We may never understand why we were created but, to deny it is pure folly.
Nothing against anyone, but I would rather bet my life on God than those odds lol that math can be duplicated, and replicated by people who believe Evolution, and they can vest their trust in those odds lol I don't. I don't care what any atheist or evolutionist will say. How dumb, foolish, childish or any other such adjective they choose to call me, I simply choose to not believe in such impossible mathematical odds. I just don't lol I pray for all atheists to one day see God's power and Majesty
They resort to all kinds of silly theories to prove science wrong and the bible right. These are just rear-guard skirmishes. The bible is loosing it`s relevance at an amazing rate. Evolution has overwhelning evidence. Creation has NONE.
if you think debates are a waste of time, then you'll get nowhere in science,
alli can say is do your reserach and be more scientifc in future.
your last few lines are a painfull outburst which can only be attributed to fear(or ignorance)
I have no god, at least i dont belive in a deity,
he DOES use dog breeding as proof, and tries to tell us how easy it would be to get a whole new species(proper speces) if we just "imagine" how long natural selection has to work with, he just left science,
Natural selection does take time. If you want to force the speciation you must manipulate genetically the specie. We do that with GMO foods. With dogs would be the same. We can force speciation, but that wouldn't be proof a direct natural event. We don't need dogs to prove evolution.
Bacteria and genetic analysis alone prove very well how evolution works.
I wouldn't bother with the obvious engineered sleeping zombies in this forum. They are 99.999% trolls with a bone to pick against God. It very obvious to any one, who is spiritually inclined, to see the easily provable FACT, that everything was, is and will continue to be governed by intelligent design or what Sir Thomas Aquinas had dubbed the "unmoved mover." If you study advanced particle physics,advanced mathematics like torus mathematics,Pi, etc. you'll have even MORE overkill evidence!
teargardens 1 month ago
@teargardens I'd like to see your indisputable proof using "advanced particle physics" or Pi (inb4 higgs boson hasn't been cracked yet). For Christ's sake, take a basic biology course. Do some research into allele frequencies, genotypes, phenotypes, importance of haploid gametes created by meiosis, importance of sexual reproduction, dna cross-overs, or even the simple creation of specific dog breeds.
pookiebear32 16 hours ago
AMEN !
mukkohaha 1 month ago
It's actually depressing how creationists think there's still an argument amongst the educated population of the world...
Reunakk 1 month ago
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Do you understand the difference between abiogenesis and evolution? And also, you do realize evolution does not exclude possibility for God, right?
Casshyr 3 months ago
fallacy: "But no oxygen means no protection from the ultraviolet rays from the sun and life could not exist. Life would die."
there were all sorts of organisms that could survive in incredible temperatures before the planet was oxygenated. I can't remember what they were, think they were bacteria. whatever it was, they were very simple autotrophs that survived despite the harsh conditions. read a college biology book.
and no, did not check out the rest of this video
viciousrape 4 months ago
@viciousrape There has always been oxygen in the atmosphere. Without this thin but critical layer of oxygen in the ozone layer, all life sources would be annihilated due to ultraviolet radiation destroying their chemical bonds.
LxE100 2 months ago
@LxE100 You know you're fucking retarded, right? Oxygen actually did not exist until early heterotrophs expelled it into the atmosphere as a by-product. Early life forms did not use oxygen--they were anaerobic. The reason being, the existence of oxygen inhibited important compounds from being formed in the Earth's toxic oceans. It wasn't until much later in history did oxygen even begin to even show up. Biomolecules are and were highly susceptible to oxidation.
pookiebear32 16 hours ago
Mathematically spontaneous generationis indeed impossible hence creationism has been proven wrong.
Ozzyman200 5 months ago
Your calculations are meaningless for multiple reasons. 1. Biochemistry is not chance, tell any Biochemist that chemical reactions are dictated by chance and you'll get punched. 2. Here are a multitude of proteins capable of forming life, not one specific protein. 3. When you say "thousands of amino acids" you forget that the earliest lifeforms would have been much more simple than the current and complex ones. 4. You mix up Abiogenesis and Evolution.
pat5168 5 months ago
@DaFleegsta In fact, if an animal gave birth to a different species of animal, or if an animal transformed (Are their ideas of Evolution something like Pokemon?) into a different animals in their lifetime, than that would prove Evolution to be false and Creation correct.
pat5168 5 months ago
@DaFleegsta True that, if a Creationist says proof for Evolution is only if one animal give birth to a different one, or it would be proof if hey could observe one animal transform to another is ludicrous and only shows their lack of comprehension for how Evolution works. And he's just way too stubborn. If someone were to give evidence that is simple enough for anyone to accept, can you imagine him saying "Yep, I was wrong, Evolution happens."
pat5168 5 months ago
Even if this video did disprove something, it would be disproving Abiogenesis. Evolution is a fact and theory, it is observable and all life fits perfecty in it's predicted order. Fossil record shows it, genetic drift and mutations shows it, natural selection is a proven principle, etc. Evolution makes no claim on the origin of life.
pat5168 5 months ago
I don't think you'd be willing to change your beleifs no matter how much evidence we present to you.
It's just how ignorance works...
DaFleegsta 6 months ago
@samsonvide0s Watch watch?v=TU-7d06HJSs&feature=channel_video_title. Have fun doing the intellectual gymnastics required to refute this.
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@creationistroll
why would i believe in your religious creationism, if you can't explain AB resistance or Plant speciation without using evolution theory?
transtlantic 8 months ago
You know evolution is a cumulative process, right? Winning the lottery isn't hard if when you get each number you stop flipping that number.
oliethefolie 9 months ago
You fail to understand that evolution and abiogenisis are two seperate starnds of science. If you want to discuss evolution then do so. But do not start with abiogenisis. You also fail to understand the concept of abiogenisis. Have you actually read anything other than the titles of books/papers? I find this insulting. Your incredulity does not disprove anything...
DrSpooglemon 9 months ago in playlist Evolution (Examined, REFUTED AND EXPOSED!)
Often all we need is a general understanding of genetics to understand evolution. The mutations that change genetic material lead to different traits, etc..
iliveon 11 months ago
@iliveon Mutations are random and rarely beneficial to the species, if ever. They cannot account for a transferring of species, such as from reptiles to birds, nor could they contribute.
samsonvide0s 10 months ago
@samsonvide0s Look at a scientific journal for a beneficial mutation Mr scientist. Its not hard to look up. Here, I'll find one for you. Secondly, if you are still thinking evolution happened over a short amount of time, I'll redirect you to the age of the earth: 4.54billion years. There is a nonsensus that life at the bacterial level was here within 2billion years time. I'll send u a website with some examples of small evolution of microbes found in the lab. Note: short time period.
iliveon 10 months ago
@iliveon I do not believe evolution happened over a short period of time. I believe the theory of Evolution is a fictional fairytale, borrowing the fact of adaptation and natural selection to produce its falsities. The difference between "4.54billion years" and "2billion years" can only be described using fairytale language, hidden from logic under the guise of science, which any evolutionist will boldly use.
samsonvide0s 10 months ago
@samsonvide0s I think you are sincerely lost when it comes to science. Its sad that people have been led to think the repeatable and testable scientific method is false. Sorry bro.
iliveon 10 months ago
@samsonvide0s Well you're horrifically wrong I'm afraid.
Reunakk 1 month ago
@samsonvide0s The theory is that although most mutations will be harmful they will be eliminated by natural selection. The rare favourable mutation will be selected in favour of and hence lead to evolution.
nextgenvids 7 months ago 2
I think, you are seeying from a particular point of view. Our universe is not just probability, its also mathematics, it is designed to work with perfection, maybe if we see fine truth the isolated variables in the ecuation, we can asume can't be done, but there are million of variables that we dont see to make possible that happen, life.
Abnesis 11 months ago
Another staggering but more entertaining fact is that when playing the card game 'Bridge' , the odds of you drawing an exact hand with numbers and suits is described as a binomial coefficient N = (52 cards / 13 cards per hand ) = 635013559600.
Yes, your chance of drawing any particular hand that you dream up is 1 chance in 635 BILLION !. Yet, it happens , we know so. Odds are only odds, not governing forces.
JesusWasAnAsshole 1 year ago
@JesusWasAnAsshole Even if the odds permitted that such elements would combine, they certainly would not turn on, and begin replicating, by accident, and then eventually turn into human beings, by accident. A little glance in the mirror should prove to anyone that Logic is inevitably denied with Evolution. But this, most will continue to ignore until it is too late.
samsonvide0s 10 months ago
@samsonvide0s But it's not by accident. Mutations happen, and then the individual which benefits from them survives better and produces more offspring, which in turn carry the beneficial gene. Then they produce offspring too. Yes, mutations are rare. That's why it took so long! But it's ridiculous to say evolution doesn't happen. Every year when people get sick with a new flu virus, it's because the old flu virus was killed off, except for a few individuals which were resistant. Evolution.
middleCmusic 9 months ago
@samsonvide0s I totally agree. The Theory of Evolution has too many flaws to even exist. Why do people take the risk in being agnostic or atheist based off the hope that this incredible spontaneous generation really occured when Bible stories have been proven true and miracles are left unexplained? Humans can be such amazing creatures, and then such pathetic ones. It's truly amazing that we can observe bits and pieces of both heaven and hell right here on earth.
LxE100 2 months ago
@LxE100 , Humans are pathetic, I agree. Who could possibly believe a story about somebody walking on water, or talking snakes, or placing two of every animal in a boat, or somebody getting swallowed and living in a whale. Yes, humans are pathetic.
JesusWasAnAsshole 1 month ago
@JesusWasAnAsshole First of all, your Youtube name and picture is extremely offensive. Your pride has probably gotten the best of you, just like many other atheist and agnostic people.
LxE100 1 month ago
@LxE100 , well, right wing christians, rosie odonell, people who are fake, and screaming kids on airplanes offend me. I just don't reply to them.
JesusWasAnAsshole 1 month ago
@LxE100 It's Truly amazing that Wild soulless beast's created from Random Mutations talk about things like good and Evil, " oh those 19 hi jackers killing 3000 people in WTC were evil " " Oh al Quaida is Evil lets wage for for 20 years " " we can wage war, we are the good guys " " They are the evil "
" A lion killing other lions Cubs are not evil " " but when a human eat another humans Child it's Evil " Atheist Forget about evil and good, it should'n exist
mukkohaha 1 month ago
@mukkohaha I don't understand your point through all your gibberish ranting, or whatever it is.
LxE100 1 month ago
@LxE100 I just explained the hypocrisy of a Mutated soulless being that came out of Natural selection and survival of the fittest, talking about Good and evil.
this clearly went above your head.
mukkohaha 1 month ago
@mukkohaha I'm sorry, but your writing is pathetic. You spelled al-Qaeda completely wrong. Do you think I'm an atheist? If you do, you're mistaken. When a lion kills a lion cub, it means nothing. Animals are based solely on instinct. Reason is the only difference, which is why we rule over such creatures. I also believe in creationism, not the unscientific theory of macroevolution.
LxE100 1 month ago
@LxE100 i'm sorry ain't any not good at Arabic. Yes i thought you were atheist.
Yes animals can't do good or evil. Yes they are based solely on instincts. I also believe in Creationism.
So we agree in everything, How is my views then pathetic :) ? or did you refer to the misspelling ? this is so weird, i thought you were evolutionist minded ^^ haha so sorry :)
mukkohaha 1 month ago
@mukkohaha I was referring to your grammatical errors, and your misspelling, when I used the word pathetic. It isn't a problem, and I'm sorry about calling your writing pathetic. :)
LxE100 1 month ago
@LxE100 In your own Definition your wild Soulless beast's the Result of Billions of random Mutations and yet you speak about good and evil ? humanitarianism ?
hey hey ? i thought it were about Natural selection and Survival of the fittest.
mukkohaha 1 month ago
@JesusWasAnAsshole So know your using faith to prove your point, huh sounds familiar.
TheAngryPirateSays 10 months ago
@TheAngryPirateSays , faith regarding mathematics ? you are really lost.
JesusWasAnAsshole 10 months ago
@JesusWasAnAsshole "Yes, your chance of drawing any particular hand that you dream up is 1 chance in 635 BILLION !. Yet, it happens", your using faith by saying that it happened out of 1 chance out of 635 billion. You dont know for a fact that it happened, your believing in something that you dont have evidence for so you are using faith.
TheAngryPirateSays 10 months ago
@JesusWasAnAsshole The probability of evolution happening as it happened is the same probability as you rolling the six on a die.....10 million times in a row.
trollolcopter 2 months ago
@JesusWasAnAsshole Your letting Satan use you.
mukkohaha 1 month ago
@mukkohaha , I don't feel used. I see it as more of a partnership
JesusWasAnAsshole 1 month ago
dont get snowballed by these numbers.
This primordial soup he speaks of could have been everywhere. Perhaps 1 cosmic soup per star. (most likely dozens per star)
Lets say that every star cooks some soup at the rate of 1 billion amino searching tests per second. So, every star, in the universe, cooking away, every second, nonstop. for 3.5 Bn yrs (time the soup is not too hot or too cool)
What kind of numbers does the produce ? (continued)
JesusWasAnAsshole 1 year ago
@JesusWasAnAsshole (..continued)
So, 2.5 Bn galaxies w/ 2.5 Bn stars = 6.35 E 17 "pots of primordial' soup
Length of time cooked = (525,600 seconds in a year)(3.5 Bn years)(1 Bn chances per second) = 1.8 E 24
Total chances of cooking life = 6.35 E 17 ( x) 1.8 E 24 = 11.43 E 41 ....
or 11 BILLION, BILLION, BILLION, BILLION, MILLION chances at mixing this primordial soup. One of these chances eventually worked, because here we are.
JesusWasAnAsshole 1 year ago
@JesusWasAnAsshole 1 thing 4 sure likelihood of an unknowin, allpowerful, perfect from the second came 2 existance, creator coming out of nothing with any form of evolution is millions, if not billion or trillions times less likely.
even a simple minded person can c that. i dont understand the meanin of this video, obviousely a creator like that is less slikely than the universe so what the point of this retarded video?LOL
its just rediculous to overlook this important fact, IT NON-SCIENTIFIC
k8k8k8er 1 year ago
"God"
No it was Santa Claus!
Nefus1988 1 year ago
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All flesh [is] not the same flesh: but [there is] one [kind of] flesh of men, another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, [and] another of birds. (1st Corinthians 15:39).
Kyouryuu5000 1 year ago
Its so funny No No sad that evolution Fairytale believers rate this video down, but can not argue with what this man says he is making completly valid Scientific points proving with Science and math that evolution is impossible. You can prove evolution is a scam just by using common sense. Praise God our Creator.
Anyone interested in learning some more real Science check out my favorited videos.
coolvideo28 1 year ago
Fun Fact:
The probability of water molecules evaporating from anywhere on the Earth and subsequently coming together above my head to produce a raindrop that hits me on the head is - 1 in 10 to the one septillion power. That many zeros is about one million times greater than all of the characters in all of the books and copies of books ever created by man…
I think this proves that rain is impossible...
Have a happy day.
apeek7 1 year ago
@apeek7 , I like that example a lot.
yynnmmbb 1 year ago
You guys are all making some good points, making this Creation/Evolution question a popular debated topic. I think this makes sense. If God created you, He did it for a reason, from which you are currently neglecting and living 180 degrees. This decision would certainly bring you grave consequences. But If as you desperately claim, God does not exist, then you're at liberty to do whatever you want, as long as the local authority is in the dark.
One last thing. My existence teaches an Exister
samsonvide0s 1 year ago
@samsonvide0s , If god was all loving and good, he would not create humans knowing that he would someday abolish them to a hell for not following simple rules. That is sadistic. You would also think he would show up now and then, like oh... once every hundred years to check in. Not play some narcissistic cosmic game of praise me or else !
yynnmmbb 1 year ago
@yynnmmbb
By Grace you can be saved, through Faith. please dont confuse God's Grace and refuse His Faith,
because without these we're all hopeless and helpless.
samsonvide0s 1 year ago
@samsonvide0s , I wonder if Kaylee Anthony or Zahra Baker believed in god ? Those poor little girls sure got fucked over by the lord almighty on high.
yynnmmbb 1 year ago
@yynnmmbb " If god was all loving and good, he would not create humans knowing that he would someday abolish them to a hell for not following simple rules" ....... are you creating your own God? do you know how god thinks?
dp100 1 year ago
@yynnmmbb praise me or else? you have a misconception of God, and christianity through the media. Read the bible on your own, and do not take things out of context.
dp100 1 year ago
@dp100 , JOHN 9:9 "We all know
that God does not listen to sinners, but he
will listen to anyone who worships and obeys
him."
JOHN 4:23 "The Father seeks worshipers"
yynnmmbb 1 year ago
@dp100 , by the way, I was raised Catholic and went through years of Catechism. Christianity is a fairy tale for the weak and scared
yynnmmbb 1 year ago
@yynnmmbb actually, most atheists that I know are scared. They fear accountability for their actions, and thus, decide not to believe what is blatantly obvious.
linuxfan57 1 year ago
@linuxfan57 most theists r the 1s that hide behind "god" 2 defend their irrational behavior & releave themselves of responsibility.
assumin ur christian, in ur religion bein good doesnt amount 2 anythin unless u accept jesus as u lord & even more rediculous is the fact that bein bad doesnt amount 2 punishment either as simply sayin i repent & accept jesus as my lord just releaves u of responsibility.
u kill some1 u hurt them not god. religion errases responsibility 2 humanity
k8k8k8er 1 year ago
@k8k8k8er You clearly do not understand Christianity or Christian principles. Good is good, bad is bad, regardless of whether or not you are Christian. Good does amount to something, and bad does deserve punishment. If someone has the mentality of "I can do anything I want because I accepted Jesus", I would question whether or not they are Christians because a true Christian desires to do good because God has done so much good for them. Make sense?
linuxfan57 1 year ago
@linuxfan57 Oh? So jesus saying the only way to the father is through me had no meaning? it was just a bunch of non-sense? He couldn’t just say its through being good?
Or not holding the sabath holy (as it is said in the 10 commandments) means u should b stoned, is nonsense as well?
many more which I don’t think I need 2 mention. Unless u realy want me 2.
I think my friend ur the 1 that doesn’t really understand the true face of religion and simply hasnt bothered to find more about it not me.
k8k8k8er 1 year ago
@k8k8k8er Huge misinterpretation from someone who clearly lacks understanding. Being good does NOT GET YOU TO HEAVEN! Being good is what comes as a result of being saved by God's grace. Thus, the fruits of faith in God are good works. Consider this: Faith + God's Grace = salvation + good works NOT good works = salvation
linuxfan57 1 year ago
@linuxfan57 LOL ok bud. U know u have no proper answer so how about u just refrain from making urself look even more foolish. A proper approach would have been u quoting the 2 commandments I mentioned & say bcz of “this…& this… I don’t think their not ridiculous”. But obviously u cant instead u type in a formula that with ur wishful thinking u attribute to abrahamic religions. Sorry its doesn’t cut it bud, u have to deal with th topic i brought up not to use segway into something else. LOL
k8k8k8er 1 year ago
@linuxfan57 secondly. so u belive athiests can 2 heaven if their good
then it that is true then why do we need religions?
thestories about Abraham willin 2kll his kid 4god. What does that have 2do with bein ood or bad?
or poor Egyptian children that god just killed bcz pharaoh didn’t let jews go. Wat did a poor 1 year old do to deserve 2die?
Bud ur answers a CHILDISH apologetic
Ur tellin me 1000s of rules & rituals r all nonsense only being good is enough? Then whats the point of them? LOL
k8k8k8er 1 year ago
@k8k8k8er Wow.... Wow... READ MY POST!!! BEING GOOD IS NOT ENOUGH!! Please...learn to read...
linuxfan57 1 year ago
@linuxfan57 yah i know. i read & asked u y u waste my freaking time.
i told u that in my 1st respone. i told u that in ur beleive bein good doesnt amount 2 salvation if therse no faith.
if u had read my very 1st response we wont have had 2 waste so much freakng time.
im tired ot htis reculous loop of getting back to what i said in the first place.
i said religions rediculous bcz just being good is not enough. and being bad can be solved by repenting and finding the lord. even if i kill some1
k8k8k8er 1 year ago
@linuxfan57 good + FAITH = salvation?I assume just good DOESNT equal salvation in ur religion, y else would u need FAITH in that equation if its not important? EXACTLY MY 1ST COMMENT 2 U. so y did u waste both our times?
y the hell did u waste our time bud? If FAITHs important in ur belief system 2 reach salvation then y the hell did u reply 2 my 1st comment?
And why does ur religion have repentance? What is the point of that if it doesn’t absolve wrong doing? What is the POINT OF IT?
k8k8k8er 1 year ago
@k8k8k8er
God's Grace has appeared unto all men in the shape of a Gift.
The Gift of God is Eternal Life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
The Gift, like any gift..is FREE. This means that all you gotta do is accept it. And since you cant see it...youll have to recieve it by FAITH.
Who shall recieve it? Those you believe first that they NEED it ..thats repentance.
Now friend, i pray for you as i write this last sentence. Accept the Gift...Its Eternally worth it.
samsonvide0s 1 year ago
@samsonvide0s this “gift” aint free, its @ the cost of suspendin ur logic & rational.
BTW ur prayers r irrelavent, if u read story of Moses, pharaoh actually wanted 2 let jews go but ur “god” changed pharoahs mind, leadin 2 misery 4 Egyptians. So "god" actually locks mind & heart as it wishes & doesn’t care if u pray or not. Mayb like pharaoh ur god has locked my heart. But thankfully ur “god” doesn’t exist.
But hey thanks 4 puttin in the good word 4 me with ur imaginary friend. All the best
k8k8k8er 1 year ago
@samsonvide0s
samson, u are a fool..no scientist supports spontaneous generation. spontaneous generation was falsified in the 1800's!!..the actual current theory is abiogenesis, which consists of several different models.
and regarding probability..instead of listening to this goof ball, look up abiogenesis probability on google, and go to the site called "talkorigins"..you'll learn a lot.
itzahazylife 1 year ago
@itzahazylife
hey dummy!
Spontaneous generation and abiogenesis are the referring to the same exact thing. Organic life arising from inorganic matter.
They changed the name...thats all. It was known as spontaneous generation and it because it sounded unacademic they changed the name to abiogenesis.
But they mean exactly the same thing.
Look it up boy. Learn something before ya die.
Davemustang2600 11 months ago
@Davemustang2600
u silly, condescending man..u are absolutely incorrect, and obviously do your research via creationist sources..abiogenesis and spontaneous generation are not just different names for the same process..would u like to do some more research and try again, or would u like me to teach YOU something before u die?
itzahazylife 11 months ago
@itzahazylife
Yep Id be glad to help an idiot out where i can
1. abiogenesis or biopoesis is the study of how biological life arises from inorganic matter.
2. Spontaneous generation is a term regarding the origin of life from inanimate matter.
Its the same idea. Its basically the same thing. The only difference is Abiogenesis attaches a different process to explain how organic life came from absolute junk material.
Whether spontaneously or through process its the same thing man.
Davemustang2600 11 months ago
@itzahazylife
So tell me at what point will you poor little evolutionist babies figure out exactly how anything ever made it out of the sludge pond? lol
Davemustang2600 11 months ago
@Davemustang2600
ahh i see, you're not gonna address your stupidity displayed in your previous comment, are ya?..again, would u like me to explain to u the difference between abiogenesis, and spontaneous generation, or do u wanna do it yourself?
itzahazylife 11 months ago
@itzahazylife
If i didnt know the difference I wouldnt know the definitions there studly.
The differences are not important.
Its the basic idea that is flawed that which is living can come from the which is not.
Thats the error where both ideas are DOA.
If Aristotle had lived in the 19th century he would have come to the same conclusions Pasteur did concerning process.
Its not the process im interesting in debating. Its the precept that all life came from junk material.
Davemustang2600 11 months ago
@Davemustang2600
"The differences are not important.
Its the basic idea that is flawed that which is living can come from the which is not."
the differences are very important..spontaneous generation of something living, from something which is not living, has been proven to be impossible..but, abiogenesis, which is a very gradual development, has been shown to be probable..watch cdk007's video on abiogenesis.
itzahazylife 11 months ago
@itzahazylife
Lol The differences are only in process and time.
They are both at the end of the day life coming from that which is not alive.
Abiogenesis just puts a microscopic lens on what we define as living.
But along the way it takes just as many ridiculous leaps as spontaneous generation does.
Abiogenesis does have some very scientific aspects that are valid. The over-all conclusion is the same.
Davemustang2600 11 months ago
@Davemustang2600
it sounds to me like you're basically implying that life coming from non-life is unlikely, and that since abiogenesis and spontaneous generation both refer to life coming from non-life, they are somehow equally improbable..but, that's incorrect. Dr. Jack Szostak has a very detailed and experimentally validated model explaining how abiogenesis could have occurred on the pre-biotic earth. there aren't as many leaps as u suspect.. /watch?v=U6QYDdgP9eg
itzahazylife 11 months ago
@itzahazylife
You need to read up on Oparin. Hes an evolutionist. And even he said there are too many problems with the climate of the earth 6 billion years ago for replication and metabolism to ever make the point of being a living cell.
This argument is all about whether or not a living cell could have not only risen in the environment of the time which Oparin says is highly unlikely but also replicated and metabolized.
Davemustang2600 11 months ago
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@Davemustang2600
"Birds are mammals", quote from Davemoron2600
Birds are birds NOT mammals LOL
Davemoron2600 typical theist like the retard in this video
sykeo123 3 months ago
@itzahazylife
Ogel said 'Complete recirculation takes 10 million years, thus any organic compounds produced by then would be altered or destroyed by temperatures exceeding 300 °C (572 °F). They estimate that the development of a 100 kilobase genome of a DNA/protein primitive heterotroph into a 7000 gene filamentous cyanobacterium would have required only 7 Ma.[31]'
The issue here is the environment of the earth when inorganic precursors would have manifested.
Cant happen.
Davemustang2600 11 months ago
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@Davemustang2600
firstly, this was suggested by Lazcano and Miller. what they suggested is that the rapidity of the evolution of life is dictated by the rate of recirculating water through mid-ocean submarine vents. "Complete recirculation takes 10 million years, thus any organic compounds produced by then would be altered or destroyed. They estimate that the development of a heterotroph into a cyanobacterium would have required only 7 million years."
they are saying that it's possible..
itzahazylife 11 months ago
@itzahazylife
Theres a reason why life is so scarce in the Universe.
Davemustang2600 11 months ago
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"Theres a reason why life is so scarce in the Universe."
LOL..we don't know if life is or isn't scarce in the universe. it could very well be prevalent, or we could be the only intelligent life.
itzahazylife 11 months ago
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@Davemustang2600
"Theres a reason why life is so scarce in the Universe."
LOL..we don't know if life is or isn't scarce in the universe. life could very well be prevalent, or we could be the only intelligent life. we really have no idea.
itzahazylife 11 months ago
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@Davemustang2600
"So tell me at what point will you poor little evolutionist babies figure out exactly how anything ever made it out of the sludge pond? lol"
abiogenesis has nothing to do with evolution.
"sludge pond"..u mean the millions of simultaneous chemical reactions that were occurring all over the pre-biotic earth for billions of years, that eventually formed into cells, and eventually life?
itzahazylife 11 months ago
@linuxfan57 I suggest u start with readin 10 commandments & c that that not holdin any other gods b4 god (jewish 1)& holding sabath holy rnt really the drawing lines between good & evil that the abrahamic god wishes human 2 follow. I assume not followin them is a sin. So tell me hows it that if I work Friday or whatever can that b considered as BAD?
Again theres much much more, but I think just this 1 example shows good & bad aint all that this “god” cares about. It has REDICULOUS rules 2
k8k8k8er 1 year ago
The chances of life just springing out of nothing spontaneously as the creationists claim are pretty much zero. Life actually evolved. Listen to the scientists.
Ozzyman200 1 year ago
The probability of life spontaneously generating from organic matter, ignoring all of the complex chemical processes in between, on earth given certain conditions in a single instance isn't very good. However their wasn't a single instance, the earth is huge and we know how 'the building blocks of life' spontaneously generate and accumulate. Failing to factor in how many opportunities there were in your calculations is quite a big error.
dookiecheez 1 year ago
@dookiecheez
You know this how? It's always amusing when people make these vague claims. Elude please.
SSTTEEAALLTTHH 1 year ago
@SSTTEEAALLTTHH
We have a period of how many years in which life could have originated, and how vast is the surface of the earth in which this "experiment" was being run. Quite alot on both counts. Or was there just enough nucleotides and other organic bricker brack to make a single cell on a slice of earth smaller then width of a hair? Gee I wonder.
dookiecheez 1 year ago
@dookiecheez
Have you considered that there are probably billions upon billions of planets that can support life as we know it and definitely a thousand times more that could support life we can't possibly conceive of. Repeat your experiment billions upon billions of times and it would be a miracle of life had not arisen somewhere.
SSTTEEAALLTTHH 1 year ago
@dookiecheez
I am not disagreeing with you, it's just that many people make claims they take for granted, which aren't certain at all.
SSTTEEAALLTTHH 1 year ago
God might be a mathematician (if it exists) according to the picture of that book in the video.
But i can guarantee this man in this video is NOT!
and if he is then he is a lier, the worst kind a lier that prays on ignorance of the innocent
k8k8k8er 1 year ago
WHATS THE MATHEMATICAL PROBABILITY OF GOD?
Im sorry, but i have 2 say mathematics would in 100% support evolusion.
ill ask any1 2 read this & tell me im wrong.
In science the theory is we came from very very simple beginings.
In creationism idea is a god started PERFECT.
so i ask any1 2 tell me whichs more likely?
a simple universe comin out of nothing & evolving over time or a PERFECT god just poping out of nowhere?
and on top of that it create this universe?
U tell me
k8k8k8er 1 year ago
@k8k8k8er , god didnt pop out of nowhere. He must have been made by a larger, wiser god.
yynnmmbb 1 year ago
@yynnmmbb yap thats also possbile, an endless cycle of bigger and bigger creators, LOL
k8k8k8er 1 year ago
@k8k8k8er
There is only One God. He is All-Powerful and has created everything you see and everything that exists invisible to your eyes. He has always existed and will always exist in a dimension called "Eternity".
samsonvide0s 1 year ago
@samsonvide0s oh so there can b something "eternal" that wasnt created?
how come it cant b the universe then?
lets put it this way, ur "GOD" came out of nothin, was pefect from day 1, knows everythin, has intellengence, creates & is eternal?
u tell me which is more likely to come out of nothin & b eternal, an unintelegent, nonconcious thing(universe) or a perfect intelegent, creator(god).
odds of god comin out of nothin compared 2 univesre comin out of nothing is billion times less likely
k8k8k8er 1 year ago
1 chance in a bizillion is more than the 0 religions have.
It's even less probable of a chance of a even more complex God thingy magicking everything with spoken incantations.
magic VS reality. The .000000000000000000000000000000000000000001% is more than the God man created in their primitive mind that can't even be coherently defined.
GodKillerAtheist 1 year ago
What created your so called "god"?
If you say "he already existed frem the begining"
you've got the answere on your own question! *quote*
" what created the particles (every atom and all the energy which exists today) used in the big bang?"
TheHellmur 1 year ago
@TheHellmur Well He already created the frog as a frog.I'm just giving and evo-atheists an easy way to prove he can take life that was and just recreate it,it should be easy according to evo-atheists. Maybe it didn't happen the way the evo-atheists believe,ya think?
CBALLEN 1 year ago
I challenge any atheist to take a LIVE frog,put it into a blender and frap until it's frog soup,now with every ingredient needed to make a frog,make one.This should be a breeze since everything one needs for frog life is in one place,this should give one billions of years of a head start,hey they can even use electricity to give the frog soup a zap.Why hasn't someone done this experiment yet since life from non-life is so easy for nature to make?
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TheHellmur 1 year ago
@CBALLEN , you are a moron. frogs didnt magically appear at once from thin air. once upon a time, there was a single living cell, then multiple cells, then aquatic life, then amphibian life, then life with legs, then a creature that could hop, then a frog. its called evolution. You should not have skipped science class in favor of Catechism.
yynnmmbb 1 year ago
@yynnmmbb So one celled creatures created themselves and then built themselves into all we see today,fairy tale material for sure.
CBALLEN 1 year ago
@CBALLEN , so you in fact believe that frogs, dogs, cats, elephants, whales and humans just appeared all at once out of thin air ? how can you justify that ?
yynnmmbb 1 year ago
@yynnmmbb Ok, what i dont get about you is that you only believe things you can see, feel, or hear. Like at the end of the video put it, your a puny human shaking his fist at the almighty God which created you. Out of thin air? thin air you say? after watching this video out of thin air you say? i really have nothing more to say except that God became man, made himself nothing , lived a perfect sinless life only that he can die for people like you and me. now that my friend, is grace.
dp100 1 year ago
@dp100 Good Luck with your faith. Really. I started disbelieving slowly. wait a minute, "god put two of EVERY animal on an ark" ? 10 commandments just appeared, etched in stone ? Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed (including women and children) because god was mad ? jesus turned water into wine ? what is wrong with water ? the seas were parted ? a virgin pregnancy ? eventually, you will see that the bible is nothing but old stories passed along and blown out of proportion.
yynnmmbb 1 year ago
Yes, spontaneous generation could never have happened. The only possibility is evolution.
Ozzyman200 1 year ago
First of all this video is not about Evoution, it's about Abiogenesis. I suggest you stop listening to Creationists for what Science thinks about the subject and do some proper research. Abiogenesis is more developed than you may think:
watch?v=v8nYTJf62sE
watch?v=U6QYDdgP9eg&feature=PlayList&p=0696457CAFD6D7C9&index=0
As for God's miraculous work, watch this, you'll like it:
watch?v=irVqVKdiohE&feature=related
warren52nz 1 year ago
If life would not of appeared, no one would be able to state its inexistence. We are biased by the simple fact we exist. We therefore believe with absolute certainty that life arosed at least once and on at least one planet.
Flem1337 1 year ago
But if life took 10 billion years for all the needed elements to be united for it to appear. And then took 4 billions years and billion of species before one of them reaches an inteligence level high enough to understand it. Our very existence proves that given a long amount of time, intelligent life CAN arose. Not that it WILL, only that it can. Biased humans are biased.
Flem1337 1 year ago
Life on earth is NOT something we can use and say: see its almost impossible to arose by itself, so it needs to have been created. Thats plain arogant to even believe humans were meant to exist. If 3 billion years ago a predator had chased a different prey, we could of never existed. Our existence is due to a unique string of events.
Flem1337 1 year ago
OH SOOO CLOSE! Almost made it one minute without saying something stupid and just plain wrong. Life didn't start with "random processes" its CHEMISTRY. That's how chemistry works! Those organic materials will automatically form in a way that creates ribosomes and RNA and thus combine to make DNA which replicate etc. To say that its random is like saying that a ball "randomly" falls to the ground when dropped. Its not random. Its science!
shldflght 1 year ago
@shldflght , this process you explained takes place everyday, because of the fact that it is a "Programed process" the speaker doesnt doubt this. The amazing double helix is not an accident, Its the design of a Designer who knows a lot more than me and you, from whom we would learn so much if only we immersed our thoughts into His CREATED world.
samsonvide0s 1 year ago
@samsonvide0s And your proof of this "Designer" is....? The problem with your "programmed process" argument is that in order for it to hold any water you need to show a programmer. The laws of chemistry act the way they do because if they didn't they wouldn't be laws. We can show that no matter what setting these chemicals are in they will always act in accordance with chemical bonds etc because if they didn't they wouldn't work and wouldn't be here to be observed today.
shldflght 1 year ago
@samsonvide0s , so who created the 'designer' ?
yynnmmbb 1 year ago
DNA cannot be statistically analyzed because it is not random. This is an argument loaded with logical fallacy. The atoms that form DNA are attracted to each other by specific charges. It's already been proven that amino acids can form on their own if in the right conditions. It's very complex, but it is not random. DNA copying is not random either -- it's coded. I would suggest refraining from scientific explanations if you have no prior training in genetics or anything relating to it.
lolzmanda 1 year ago
@BlackRaptor31 most creationists would sy tht god is eternal, never was created, blh blah blah biblicl jabber. though the definition of god is esily interchangable with the theory in quantum fisics that were all actually connected. henceforth, od could simply mean the universe in and out of itself.
Extra365 1 year ago
I could make an entire list of your fallacies and mistakes, but there is only one you should know of. Evolution doesn't care HOW life came to be. Evolution describes how diversity comes to be once life exists.
Evolution doesn't care if it was abiogenesis (which you are confusing with evolution now) or God who conjured up the universe, or even if aliens had a cold and dropped their handkerchief into the ocean.
tiaxanderson 1 year ago
"On your hand, there are living cells there."
How do you know they're there if they're just a theory?
Now look up cell theory.
"That cell has the instruction for making up your entire body."
...no Norman, those are specialized cells. They have the instructions for making up a layer of your skin. Now how can I trust someone who doesn't know the basic facts of biology?
teejayandjon 1 year ago
One question...
please dont answer this question with a question...
( i know we cant know for sure) but according to you,
supposing you are correct,
what created the particles (every atom and all the energy which exists today) used in the big bang?
And please dont labor on the correction of my terms and ignorance, you have by far more scientific knowledge and experience than I. Im just looking for a simple answer to my simple question.
The universe is not eternal, so what was in the beginning.
samsonvide0s 1 year ago
@samsonvide0s
There's where most debate rests. There are plenty of well thought out theories about the beginning of the universe. One of my favorites is dimensional leak. It is the idea that matter from the 10th dimension leaked through wormholes to get to the 9nth, then 8th, then 7th, and so on.
teejayandjon 1 year ago
@samsonvide0s We don't know. Perhaps nothing. And by that i don't mean there was nothing then something :P I mean that perhaps the matter and energy in the universe always existed just in a different form and the Big Bang was such a colossal release of energy that "created" quarks which paired up in threes to create the first atoms of hydrogen which combined and ignited to create the first stars, then fusion kicked in and the rest is history.
shldflght 1 year ago
@samsonvide0s
We'll understand more about the Big Bang when we understand the Quantum better (if we're even capable of doing so - we didn't evolve in a Quantum environment)
There will likely always be questions but it doesn't therefore follow that a super intelligence is the answer. It's a basic fallacy - an argument from ignorance.
RPFS2008 1 year ago
@samsonvide0s
You seem interested in this matter, you should search for m-theory. It explains how matter may have always been. If you are going with the singularity-theory (obviously, I don't make the call here, I'm not a physicist), then you have to accept there was no matter before the singularity. it is pointless to ask what was when there was no time. This is hard to imagine, I know.
There are a fair amount of somewhat understandable documentaries about this on YouTube to get you started.
SSTTEEAALLTTHH 1 year ago
@samsonvide0s , Gravity created the big bang. The universe exploded and will probably contract in the far distant future. Then, it will explode again, and contract again. You get the idea. The forces of gravity (and subsequently heat) upon the simplest of atoms (H1) create the other atoms in the universe.
This notion that since we don't understand the origin of the universe or life ... and that it requires a god ... gets nowhere because ironically, god would then need a beginning / design
yynnmmbb 1 year ago
Amino Acids make up proteins, proteins make up cells:
Something i picked up:
"Amino acids do not concentrate in the ocean. They disperse.
# AND even pure amino acids (made by intelligent organic chemists) will not form proteins under natural conditions. Rather, the reverse happens—proteins break down into amino acids."
The fact is, DNA is essential to process proteins out of amino acids.
But DNA is made up of proteins. So which came first, DNA or proteins?
They were Created at the same time
samsonvide0s 1 year ago
@sam...
Ever heard of RNA? What are the odds that a komplex beeing like God came into existence just like that? And by the way, Evolution is NOT a process based on random chance. Yes, the odds that Evolution takes place in the universe, is like finding the needle in a haystack (a haystack with nearly the size of our galaxy). But those (we humans) who look for the needle, ARE ON the needle. Explaining complex life with something/someone even more complex that/who created it - well that's lunacy.
playswithwolves 1 year ago
@samsonvide0s
Sir, you are wrong in nearly every sense of the word.
Yes, amino acids are dispersed in the ocean, but in some secluded, high energy parts of the ocean, like sulfur vents, amino acids can emerge from the earth.
DNA IS a protein. Not PROTEINS. A protein. Let me put this in to a scientific perspective for you. One polymer is like a string, be it a small string at first, but a string nonetheless. Polymers naturally attract and bond nucleotides to them through
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teejayandjon 1 year ago
@teejayandjon
Covalent bonds. Nucleotides are able to attract bases, again, through covalent bonds. There we go. And when one of these strands come into contact with another, they form hydrogen bonds (attractions by the polar molecule of water.) Now, you have DNA. I love how you creationists think it's so simple to create a cell. You want to learn more? Go to a high school science class before making ridiculously ignorant claims.
teejayandjon 1 year ago
@samsonvide0s "The fact is, DNA is essential to process proteins out of amino acids" The problem is that while what your saying is true it is ONLY true for MODERN cells. Cells which have been evolving for billions of years!
"So which came first, DNA or proteins?"
The DNA as the primitive genetic material did not need the complex proteins.
watch this video and you'll hopefully understand. watch?v=U6QYDdgP9eg
Then read the work of Dr. Jack Szostak on abiogenesis. Educate yourself
shldflght 1 year ago
@samsonvide0s
You "picked up" that from "Creation Ministries", didn't you?
Come on. If you're actually interested in Chemistry try a Chemistry site, book or paper at least.
RPFS2008 1 year ago
@samsonvide0s
Which came first DNA or proteins? Well, I don't know, do you? I studied 7 years of Biomedical Sciences and I don't know. Which makes it hard for me to believe you would have a higher knowledge on this issue, no offense. Plain fact is, men has since the dawn of civilization yelled 'god did it' in case of a question they couldn't answer. However, we now know that disease for example, is not caused by the wrath of God, but by bacteria, virii, fungi, protozoa, etc.
SSTTEEAALLTTHH 1 year ago
@SSTTEEAALLTTHH I respect your respectful manner. I wasnt claiming that DNA came first, neither was I suggesting that Protein came first. I was just trying to convince you that they might have appeared at the same time..by God. You have a lot of knowledge on a molecular level, which is great. I was wondering... Are there any irreducably complex organisms? Ive heard that bacterial flagellum might be of this group..what do you think? Thanks
samsonvide0s 1 year ago
@samsonvide0s
Lightning used to be thought of as magic. the Greeks believed Zeus was angry when there was lightning, as he would throw bolts to the Earth. We now know lighting is not Zeus being angry, but an atmospheric discharge of electricity. There are countless other examples "God must be involved" is probably the most failing minute-maid answer in the history of mankind.
Also, this does not disprove evolution in any way. Evolution says nothing about the origin of life or biomolecules.
SSTTEEAALLTTHH 1 year ago
@samsonvide0s
You are not the first Creationist to make this mistake, I don't know where you people mix up abiogenesis and speciation. That's why Darwins book is called "The Origin of Species", as it explains biological diversity and variety, or speciation. It's not called "The Origin of Life", nowhere does Darwin suggest he knows anything about abiogenesis. Common mistake.
Abiogenesis is young, as heliocentrism once was. But look at heliocentrism today, turned out to be quit comprehensible.
SSTTEEAALLTTHH 1 year ago
You understand nearly nothing about evolution. Yes there was little oxygen in the early atmosphere and thus no ozone; but then, life began in the oceans where water provided the necessary protection. The gist of your argument is called 'irreducible complexity'. Anyone wishing to understand why your argument is bogus should google: "irreducible complexity debunked". Evolution is both a fact (we evolved) and a theory (how we evolved). Your closed mind is not capable of accepting the real facts.
squirrelrodent 1 year ago
This video will have no effect on evolutionists. The word God will offend them as soon as their narrow thought brains process it. If you want to derail their train of thought don't use a reference to Him, they are as stubborn as a mule. You must introduce another "science" to our arguments-psychology especially for those with heads of asses.My point-strong argument, weak presentation.And for all those feeble minds out their yes, I am a Christian.
jackskellingtonation 1 year ago
Here are the errors in your reasoning.
1. You are confusing abiogenesis with evolution. In abiogenesis, the creation of self-replicating molecules is far from random. In fact, it is a directed process that results from normal chemical and physical interactions under appropriate conditions.
2. There was almost no oxygen present on the earth 5 billion years ago. Remember that oxygen (O2) and ozone(O3 that protects us from UV light) are two different things.
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L571J 1 year ago
3. The combination of ingredients is not random, as I said before, but is the result of regulated chemical and physical interactions. Take a basic chemistry class and you will see how this works. You cannot use random chance to calculate the probability of a self-replicating molecule because the process isn't random.
L571J 1 year ago
@L571J How did oxygen and ozone form ?
Bradulation 1 year ago
@Bradulation The oxygen environment on earth is likely the result of early photosynthesizers producing O2 and using CO2 (which comes from processes like volcanoes, etc.). This probably happened about 3 billion years ago.
Ozone is formed via several processes, but comes from oxygen reacting in strong UV light. The ozone is then broken down by UV light back into oxygen and the the process goes on like that in a cycle.
L571J 1 year ago
Life does not just spontaneously happen. The math Norman is using is not just a "Fluke of the numbers". THIS is the fact of the matter and the answers are spelled out clearly in the universal language of mathematics. Math is the only truly universal language. There's no dialects, inferences, tones, etc. with math. The numbers speak clearly and precisely. Anyone who argues with is not only a fool, but is afraid to face the truth of matter which is: We are not an accident nor are we happenstance.
DrGoodwrench64 1 year ago
While the possibility may exist that we sprang up from nothing into something, the math shows that the universe itself isn't old enough to have had that happen.
Therefore, the only logical conclusion one can come to, is that we are engineered creatures. By whom and for what reason we were created is cause for debate, but it simply doesn't change the cold, hard fact that we were created by an intelligent being or beings. We may never understand why we were created but, to deny it is pure folly.
DrGoodwrench64 1 year ago
Nothing against anyone, but I would rather bet my life on God than those odds lol that math can be duplicated, and replicated by people who believe Evolution, and they can vest their trust in those odds lol I don't. I don't care what any atheist or evolutionist will say. How dumb, foolish, childish or any other such adjective they choose to call me, I simply choose to not believe in such impossible mathematical odds. I just don't lol I pray for all atheists to one day see God's power and Majesty
alexphantom17 1 year ago
The God of mathematics is Cherry picking This argument theists have had has been ultimate fail since it started Hundreds of years ago.
GodKillerAtheist 1 year ago
They resort to all kinds of silly theories to prove science wrong and the bible right. These are just rear-guard skirmishes. The bible is loosing it`s relevance at an amazing rate. Evolution has overwhelning evidence. Creation has NONE.
lizazoon 1 year ago
Another math teacher talking about biology and chemistry.
Not by random chance. Forces of nature are present.
The first life made the Oxygen, killing themselfs off.
gregrutz 1 year ago
@EternalSkeptic8 - @bigusdikus0
As usual you deny evolution, have no evidence for god and resort to insults.
Try apply for the 4th grade, loser.
transtlantic 1 year ago
if you think debates are a waste of time, then you'll get nowhere in science,
alli can say is do your reserach and be more scientifc in future.
your last few lines are a painfull outburst which can only be attributed to fear(or ignorance)
I have no god, at least i dont belive in a deity,
he DOES use dog breeding as proof, and tries to tell us how easy it would be to get a whole new species(proper speces) if we just "imagine" how long natural selection has to work with, he just left science,
zenithar6666 1 year ago
@zenithar6666
are you mad?
Natural selection does take time. If you want to force the speciation you must manipulate genetically the specie. We do that with GMO foods. With dogs would be the same. We can force speciation, but that wouldn't be proof a direct natural event. We don't need dogs to prove evolution.
Bacteria and genetic analysis alone prove very well how evolution works.
transtlantic 1 year ago
@EternalSkeptic8
you're a moron. no evidence, no god, live with it.
transtlantic 1 year ago