M/S Estonia - Kalla Fakta - Expedtion Estonia (2000) 1/6

[Schwarzald]

Estonianörd? Jag med :o

[SuperLilleman]

This confirms my thought about Jutta. She shouldn´t call herself a journalist. She is is working for the German shipyard and is trying to make a carrier. I think they should recover the ship from the sea floor. Not to investigate it for holes but to protect it from people like Jutta. Her lies is so tragic for all the survivors and the only reason for this seem to be her hunger for money. I hope they arrest her if she ever comes to Sweden.

[airasweetie]

but no one will say where the big ass whole in the front came from.that's weird! and why didn´t the government tell the public that just a few hours before the ferry took off it underwent a complete check up, and was cleared to go. how f*cked up is that!!! the government only wanted to forget the entire thing. tell me where does the tomb peace go when they dump tons of concrete on it? why are they there to stop their diving, saying its against the law. it´s international water, no swedish claim

[airasweetie]

@SuperLilleman and why did the swedish government lie about the deseased? telling the public that no bodies where found outside on the deck, jutta's expedition team went down there they found loads of people spread out like a carpet on the deck even some people under heavy objects (so they clearly didn´t float to that place by some strong current. i hate that she´s obviously doing this to make money but isn´t it weird that some german care more about investigating the ferry than the government!

[SuperLilleman]

@airasweetie I don´t think they lied because everyone knows that there is bodies outside of the ship. You don´t even have to investigate that. People were jumping into the ocean and it would be pretty wierd if all those people ended up inside the ship. I don´t think that this changes anything. Howevery, I do think that they should have tried to recover the ship directly. There is no way people are gonna respect this resting place in the future.

[airasweetie]

but the government said on the news that they went diving to look at the situation and they came up and told us no bodies were on the deck. they were all safe and sound inside the wreck. a big fat lie, and it was fed to us during the talk about picking up the ferry and bringing it to safety. no and that´s a big reason for picking up the wreck. sweish military´s covering up something. they even listened in on a guys phonecalls and stopped his attempt to dive for his wife. how weird is that!!

[airasweetie]

@SuperLilleman and they stopped him even though the law against diving down to the wreck was settled. there just too many loose ends on this thing. and it´s handled so clumsy and unconsiderate torwards all deceased and their near ones.

[airasweetie]

and one more thing they can´t arrest her or anyone in her team for diving on the graveyard because as i said earlier it´s international water and as much as we swedes would like to think we own the entire baltic ocean we don´t. when things clearly don´t add up you shouldn´t just eat whatever someone is pushing down your throat. the society need to be alert and not trust politicians about everything, cause at the end of the day they´re just people trying to hang on to their well paid jobs.

[ajlisknillat]

@airasweetie excellent reply i so agree. i get pertty fed up with this shit that we just acept and let go..now almost 20years later.we are no more smarter or knowing about the sinking that we was 8 years 10 years and 15 years after disaster. screw the goverment and now its toio late noone cares or seems to care. i just want answew,not for politics,war or peace. i want answere so everyone affected can let go and find hamony.to find answere and move on. now that is pretty impossible.. sad but true

[airasweetie]

so i´m not saying she´s right or anything i´m just saying that we shouldn´t close our minds just because someone is silently telling us to. i´m not one of those obnoxious people who can´t let go or doesn´t know about it, what it feels like to loose someone to this tragic thing. lost my best friend in eastonia.i´m in peace with her passing and i think that´s why i´m not bothered by the fact that some people are actually looking into this a bit more. ok take care and sorry for this über response.

[Squad2ND]

@SuperLilleman

It's obvious you didn't lose any dear ones on that ferry, otherwise you wouldn't say such nonsense. It's in International waters and neither Germany nor USA signed that "forget and move on"-treaty disguised as 'pure concern' for the victims, so the Swedish gov. can't do doddle-shit about it. The gov in Sweden has failed to come up with a proper explanation, and have miserably failed to cover it up too. It's a circus that deserves no respect.

[SuperLilleman]

@Squad2ND People always try to find conspiracies and alternative explanations because we can´t face the truth. It´s unbelievable that a big ship can sink and hundreds of people can die due to poor maintenance - but it did happen! The investigation has already shown the cause of the accident and of course the shipyard don´t want to be blamed. They should have recovered the ship at once. Then we wouldn´t be in this situation.

[Squad2ND]

@SuperLilleman

Yes they should have recovered the ship, and that is the main reason for, not conspiracies, but for unanswered questions. Companies specializing in recovering shipwrecks have been standing in line to not only raise the ferry, but also the bodies. All have been refused, and only Satan knows why. Families of the victims *want* the bodies returned so they can get a proper funeral, so the government can't even say that it's "out of respect" for those who died. Close the fucking case!

[SuperLilleman]

@Squad2ND Well, I don´t believe that their unwillingness to recover the ship is because they have something to hide. I think that is the problem with our politicians in general. They didn´t have the right knowledge to understand that it was possible and I think they were afraid of what the costs would be of such a project. Swedish politicians prefer easy and economical solutions and costly investigations. Investigations means more money to the politicans that they hire for the job.

[Squad2ND]

@SuperLilleman

That's the swedish politics, and it would be okay if they said: "We can't handle this because of the strong emotions and the cost!" Everyone would have understood that. Instead, they force every Scandinavian country to sign an agreement, forbidding any type of investigation on the wreck-site. If politicians said that here in Denmark, we would have their balls for breakfast. Disrespect at its worst.