while this is happening theres like 20 more crimes being comitted... good job proving your point...if u have nothing to hide, show them that your lidgit and be on your way...
ok the cops here obviously dnt knw the law. 2nd can ur fat ass even shoot a gun. how about u just get ur permit to carry retard. obviously u guys do this shit just do piss everyone off. u guys might wna visit the gym also. fuckin retards.
i would have been like well iam free to go so thanks guys for wasting time on something that was not a crime while you could have been out stopping actual crime on the streets. lol tho i think an AR is a bit much but thats just my opinion.
good god man do a few sit ups and you might be able to catch ur breath after 3 steps, ive never heard anyone pant like that before dude, your family should be concerned for your health and quality of life. Not an insult by the way just concern.
Ask the question "Am I free to leave?", if you don't get an answer start walking away and you'll get your answer. They will either let you leave OR stop you, but at least you'll get your answer on film.
Lansing police department must have money to burn with that many officers on a call.
They need to be sued so they a get a clue. not to mention the fact they talked to the manager 2 weeks prior before even going in there ....WOW SO MESSED UP!!!!
Everybody should call the police department in educate the police officers about the law of open carry and stop wasting taxpayer's money WAY too many officer's THAT'S crazy.
Open carry a gun on your hip, great. Is an assault rifle really necessary? I am totally pro open carry, but why does this guy in the red feel the need to carry that caliber of a weapon.
you guys are idiots, it's one thing to know and exercise your rights but when you go out to force a reaction that just hurts every gun owner out there and then you wonder why the laws are so strict....i'm glad that you got fucked with. would you rather that the cops do not come and investigate when they get the a gun call so next time when there is a problem and your family gets hurt you can preach your rights
@toptruckracer Why not carry a bazooka? Why not drive your tank to dinner?
What is the point you are trying to make?
No matter what you carry "openly", you are just making yourself a target for the criminal that wants it! AND, he will have the jump on you when he decides to take it, because the criminal isn't dumb-enough to carry HIS weapon openly...!
How is a criminal going to KNOW you are carrying a concealed weapon until you shoot him with it???
Deterrent??? I think not... How about an INVITATION for assault!!!
Have you seen this video? The ONLY reason this guy was assaulted and stripped of his pistol was because he was open-carrying!!! (you have to put the (.) in the address to see it):
@toptruckracer OK then, don't bother responding to me anymore, because you are to ignorant to beleieve that some crackhead with a $100 Phoenix Arms .32 isn't going to want and try and take your $500-$1000 pistol that he ONLY knows you have because you are carryng it openly... Just like in that video I told U to watch,it's REALLY THAT SIMPLE! HE has the element of surprise and a .32, even a .22 to the back of your head is all it will take.... There's NO such thing as a "fair" gunfight you know???
That same criminal could take a handgun which was carried concealed. In other words there is no deterrent to concealed carry, but open carry is a deterrent.
These Open Carry A-holes in MI. (where we HAVE "shall issue" CPL laws) are doing NOTHING but screwing it up for the rest of us! The ONLY reason OC is legal in MI. is because there are no laws prohibiting it (YET!)?
Keep "making your point" and OC when you don't really NEED to, and MI. WILL have laws to prohibit OC, just like Kalifornia Open Carriers screwed it up for themselves!
Also, you make yourself a TARGET when you OC! Watch this video:
If you love America and all our rights and freedoms, why are you so content to put restrictions on those rights and freedoms? Any restriction of a right relegates that right to be nothing more than a government regulated privilege.
@CmdrHaggis What about my comment makes you think I'm "content to put restrictions on those rights and freedoms." I'm a concealed permit holder, you didn't understand my comment. My point is, if you feel the need to open carrier to protest the treatment you get from law enforcement, carry a handgun. An ar-15 is overkill. Open carry protestors are hurting gun legislation more than helping it, you cannot argue any other way.
But you do put restrictions on a right when you say that carrying an AR-15 is overkill. Yes, a handgun is certainly more "appropriate" to a dining experience, but why would we push to have the rifle left in the car. It's safer slung across my back than left in the car for some idiot to snatch. Open carry does hurt gun legislation - by helping us get rid of asinine gun laws. The more folks see other citizens carrying, the better it gets. "Guns aren't scary!"
@CmdrHaggis I'm not putting a "restriction" on anything, my point is more of a judgement call. If you need a rifle to feel safe when going out to eat, then you need to either ; A) practice more with your handgun, or B) Stop being a faggot, you're not in the middle east. My rifle protects my home, property and family. My handgun goes with me everywhere else.
@PJS50 THANK YOU! One reasonable person! I Understand open carry, but why would you want someone to have the drop on you? I don't want anyone to know I own a firearm PERIOD! This is just ridiculous!
@toptruckracer I agree with you all the way, for me though (and personal opinions don't carry much weight on yt), I don't want the attention. The attention you recieve from bringing an ar-15 into a family restaurant is most likely going to be negative. Almost all states that have concealed carry-bans, or mag cap bans did not have them at one time, however some lawmakers decided that you shouldn't be able to exercise those rights. Rights can be taken away it HAS happened before.
Rights exist and cannot be taken away. What should not be regulated is the exercise of a right. People should be concerned when government regulates rights. When the regulation begins to be onerous those who are infringed upon will take action. Throughout history this is the model.
@jah2mail The second amendment does not have weapon type restrictions. If we were truely free to bear arms without infringement we would not be restricted from fully automatic guns witht he current Class III liscencing. He has a right to carry anything he wants under Michigan State law. Even if it makes the sheep shit thier pants...
Why is it always the skinny gay guy or the fat Hoosiers posting these videos. YALL FEEL IMPORTANT NOW? Cops did y'all a favor. It doesn't look like any of you need anymore to eat. Especially the camera guy.
"Sounds like Obama administration at work" lmfao! you are a fucking idiot. I am sure LPD called Obama and asked him how to treat the situation. I am all for open carry. but you sound ignorant
i get it you CAN open carry sure that's awesome i do it on occasion in gratiot county but an AR-15! wtf how could you expect people not to call the police
@abegarza100 No its a good thing they were compliant and following the laws. Blacks or Mexicans with guns generally dont obey the law. The fuckin truth, no denying it.
I understand the right to carry openly. I really do. But the guy in the red hoodie was carrying a RIFLE. Seriously. WTF do you need to carry around a rifle for? One dude with a rife (at least) and 5 or 6 other guys with handguns (at least). It is going to be a bit suspicious. YES, they were illegally detained, YES they were... wait. Nope... All rights went out the window with the Patriot Act... Sorry guys. No 2nd Amendment rights here.
I think carrying an rifle period is retarded, How fast can you get that thing off your back before i use the sling to choke you or my arms.. I carry openly and Concealed i have a permit. But i think a rifle is just asking for trouble
What state is this??? Clearly a state with very few laws if people are allowed to carry semi and auto weapons openly and think no one even the police have no right to ask a few questions and be detained.
@skywalkr1138 its in michigan and there is only 6 states that do not allow open carry... if u dont do any crime police have no right to detain you. end of story
This is disappointing, though I wonder if the frequency of these stops is decreasing now; MSP included open-carry instructions in their legal update last October, so every department should have briefed their officers.
SUE THOSE DUMB ASS PHUCKERS FOR HARASSMENT...but before you do, ask them if they own any expensive property that you can have when they're all sitting in court!
I hope that you folks are currently in the process of suing the Lansing PD. Once you asked them if you were being detained and they had no reply, you're legally free to walk away. The ONLY way to stop this illegal activity is to hit them where it hurts, the WALLET!
I love what you guys are doing about standing up for your right but you need to lose some weight because all we can hear is you breathing really hard because your over weight!!
@I5adam8. There is an old saying to remember.......First they came for the communists, and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a communist. Then they came for the trade unionists, and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a trade unionist. Then they came for the Jews, and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a Jew. Then they came for me and there was no one left to speak out for me.
people rarely get anywhere trying to lecture cops about the constitution. These guys got exactly what they were hoping to get when they went out carrying an M4 and pistols in the open. Good for you though. Maybe you can make some progress in educating the police about civil liberties.
@silverbulletmann The cops are too fucking arrogant. ZERO HUMILITY. They are trained in psychopathy, and could never freely admit that they were wrong.
We need more people carrying...it would change society, stop criminal behavior, and put faith in the American way of life...whatever that means, anymore...
Listen, most police officers are pro 2nd Amndmnt. Its just that the politicians are liberal anti gunners as well as alot of the higher up brass in Police Depts. and the officers are most likely just confused because this movement to excercise our God given right to bear arms is finally coming to the forefront after being supressed for so long. I do blame the officers for not brushing up on the carrying of firearms laws in their state, however, the fat guy OC'ing doesn't have to be a dick.
I love the comment were the cameraman says that "the Lansing police are turning this into a spectacle". Thats one of the most stupid things ive ever heard. A group of people walk into a restaurant with firearms and you think the cops are making the spectacle.
a few of these officers got in trouble,one continually harassed a local for it and is now facing federal court along with the whole dept. for that harassment.
I'll tell you...Cheap asses without any taste for good food. The dude carrying the rifle is strictly looking for attention and confrontation. Nothing wrong with open carry of a pistol, but come on.
@arnoldstwin36 i think they all went in there for attention and confrontation. Nobody should be sitiing in a restaurant eating dinner with "any' type of weapon.
@thlman how exactly are the cops wrong here.The restaurant manager called them. And he had the right to do so.They went in there looking for attention and confrontation and they got it. Right on about bush face though lol.
Cops were wrong because the manager called the non emergency line merely asking if it was legal,the Dispatcher not knowing the laws,wrongfully dispatched LEO's to the scene.
Open Carry is not reasonable suspicion,these officers illegally detained,checked plates and ID,abused LEIN and issued a fraudulent BOLO across the state on us.
theres reasons several officers got in trouble,one is still currently on desk duty because of it.
@19caribou61 Ok i'll buy that but i still say nobody should be carrying a weapon into a restaurant or anywhere else in public for that matter. If you need to carry a weapon around in public like that you need to seek therapy. If we were talking about someone in a high crime area that might have a dangerous job maybe but this is hardly the case.
@19caribou61 why dont you tell that to the victims of the Luby's massacre? dangerous criminals can strike anywhere. i'd rather have a gun with me than be a defenseless victim. but you're free to do as you wish. if a psychopath walks into a restaurant while you're eating dinner and starts open firing, you'll wish these guys were there with their guns
@19caribou61 as the title of the video states correctly, the cops were acting unlawfully. although the gun carriers may have made some people uncomfortable, they did nothing illegal and were exercising their american and michigan constitutional rights. you cannot be detained simply for expressing your rights without any reasonable articulable suspicion (RAS) of crime. they probably wanted attention to educate the public. theres nothing wrong with that
Who the fuck would bring an M4 into a restraunt? Someone realllly paranoid! Ya'll americans are pussies; We canadians don't even carry a gun anywhere because we're not gun happy, and we're peaceful. Man if i had a dude walkin in my Burger King with an m4, I'm callin the cops!
@drunkpolice He brought that rifle there to exercise his right to have it, something that you do not have and have never had. And if Canada is so peaceful why do they have TWICE the number of reported assault and rape victims. as well as little more overall crime victims. Which tells me people are still being victimized but not reporting it.
NO...you are turning yourself into spectacles by carrying assault rifles into a family restaurant. No matter what the reason, if an officer is conducting an investigation, they have a legal right to detain anyone involved. GET A LIFE AND LEARN YOUR LAWS! ...whether 1 or 100 officers show up! It's irrelevant!
Equally comparing any citizen carrying a firearm into a restaurant to a police officer doing the same is so idiotic and senseless. You clearly have no idea of the checks, interviews, evaluations and training police officers have in order to carry a firearm. These clowns have little to no training. I feel sorry for you and those you try to influence.
@arnoldstwin36 Ok, so you're as stupid as you seem. I was a police officer, and I can assure you, my neighbor (who isn't a police officer) has had more training, experience, and hands-on time, with weapons then any police officer. There are no firearm evaluations or interviews. Other then the initial entrance evaluations. Those "clowns" are the first line of defense against those who have badges and abuse them. I feel very VERY sorry for you and anyone who listens to your drivel.
That explains why you are no longer a police officer then Barney Fife. I said comparing any citizen...aka "average citizen" to a police officer is absurd. Of course there are exceptions. Interviews and evaluations, psych tests....you never had these to be a police officer? I find that hard to believe. Never worked at a department that requires bi-monthly or even monthly firearms training? Apparently not. Have a safe day in Mayberry.
@arnoldstwin36 Ok Hitler, while you're at it, why don't you quantify a person's right to free speech, or to a speedy trial, or the right to privacy. When you begin qualifying citizens based on a tin badge, you start removing our freedoms and rights, the very thing that those guns are meant to protect. You are clueless to the world around you, which is sad, but what is scary, is you believe yourself. I hope you enjoy your stay in la-la land, it's probably a nice socialist place. Dipshit.
Why not ask the manager his name cause he is the one violating your rights! It seems like the police are just trying to do their job. Don't blame the police blame the company and manager.
Otherwise great video.
I carried into the Bank of America ended up with 7 police and the Chief of police.
It would be hilarious if the camera man went around as if he were giving a guided tour of the scene, as if the real people were robotic wax replicas in a museum. "And this folks is a recreation of a misunderstanding between citizens and police. The rather large man on the left is openly carrying a weapon, as was common and rightful in that time period, while the group of people in uniforms are police officers, who in that age, were hired by governments to protect people..."
If a person walks around in front of a cop open carrying and the cops does nothing in right to carry state. It tell me he (cops) is trying to up hold the constitution. Along with the mayor and city council is watching what the cops are doing. If the cop does harass the citizen then it tell me the whole city council need to be replaced for failing to supervise the cops.
Many cops think they are the only ones who should carry guns. They don't like the playing field being leveled. If you have a gun they lose their sense of power psychologically.
This causes ego tripping cops to over react in these situations.
LOL@the guy who can barely breathe, much less probably handle a firearm, in a high-stress situation. Love how these fat, cowboy a-holes dont understand how openly carrying a gun,&refusing2show ID when asked, gets cops a little nervous. 1day, sensible people will demand their lawmakers strike down this open carry BS once and for all. None of these losers have the training/IQ, 2b "protectors" or "defenders", of average citizens. Btw- cum out 2 CA&try this shit. Our PD will serve u like a burger.
Simple clue for MI. cops: If you can SEE it,,,you don't need to worry about it. Its the gun you can't see that is a problem. Only LEGAL guns will be carried openly. Criminals hide their guns under their clothing. Stop the guy who looks like hes hiding one. The LEGAL weapon is the one you can SEE. Recite this over and over until you can remember it.
Isn't this the fascist police department that offered $10K (where did they get the money?!) for that guy who burned a Qur'an? Is book-burning a crime in the US? Do they pursue burners of the American flag? How 'bout a Bible burner---would there be a $10K reward?
Though I bet if you all had only handguns there would not have been an issue; but, what had them scared is teh guy with the M-4! Nice weapon by the way!
I; along with 2 friends have been to the IHOP on Jefferson in detroit many times while OC and have never had any issues or even questioned about it!
these cops piss me off, being a Navy vet, i believe in the constitution that i fight for, and these dumbass cops are supposed to uphold the law and the constitution, I fight for the constitution and they NEED to uphold it...these dumbasses are js abusing their power
what is the point of carrying an AR15 to a Ponderosa? Isn't there the distinct possibility that it will the length of the gun will interfere with ones ability to reach the nacho cheese sauce?
I USED to pass through Lansing not any never again. I will also not eat at Pondarosa until all these people are paid for their time and get an apology all on youtube.
Incidents like this continue to occur nation-wide, commonly because police officers are not familiar with aspects of the law they are sworn to enforce. Police are not legal experts, and tend to not be familiar with the laws they enforce, having only a basic (if that) familiarization. Police often enforce law based on their own skewed and misinformed perception of the law, that they never took the time to educate themselves about. It is common for police to be ignorant of the law. Sad times.
Detained without reasonable suspicion: that is a crime. Based on this video, you have cause to sue the police department, the city / township, the state, and the officers themselves (they lose qualified immunity for openly violating rights).
I am all for educating and informing the public of our 2nd amendment rights but carrying an AR-15 or any rifle into a family restaurant is asinine. The owner actually was willing to allow this on private property until the rifle came out. Watch the video, families with KIDS are walking out. I agree that this only hurts the cause not help it - It's called baby steps, get the public used to seeing open carry once again in America, then they will support the expression of our rights, then rifles.
As far as OC being more dangerous than CC, I would have to say it goes both ways. If I am a mass murderer whose willing to die in order to kill, I surely would target the open carrier first and from behind. If I were a thug mugger robber type, I would be targeting the person who appears soft and that definitely isn't going to be the person with a gun on his belt. A CC is more likely to have a gun stuck in his face than an OC when robbery is the motive.
ha!! that guys just walkin around with an AR on his back..awesome...im for you guys n i just found out actually today that open carry is legal...good for you guys..
Carrying long guns does the cause more harm than good.
Open carry activism should have a goal of bringing the public around to feeling more safe around guns, less alarmed and less confrontational. OC also is used to help educate and spread a messege that its okay, that we are okay where CC goes unnoticed.
Making yourself look like the next mall shooting marauder is just bringing bad publicity and attracting some of the wrong crowd in my personal opinion.
These so called "right to carry" guys are setting a bad example for the rest of us. They are simply provoking the police, looking for a confrontation, to video tape to "further the cause". Give me a break. Open carry is not such a good idea for self protection anyway. If I were a bad guy...I would shoot the fat bastard first because I know he has a gun!!! Concealed weapons are my choice. I dont want any knot head knowing I'm armed. Element of supprise boys!
I agree that some OC is being done without any skill or directed purpose but many times it actually has a positive and helpful effect. I open carry but you will never see me on a youtube video that I had any thing to do with creating. You want to stand up for your rights and express yourself. You don't want to get into a pissing contest. It hurts the cause.
Has anyone filed suit against the City of Lansing yet?
I don't know that I agree that this is the "Obama administation at work". I instead believe that some officers (not all) don't like the idea of people other than them being able to open carry.
If cops can't learn the laws, how can we expect them to enforce them properly?
really? if that is the best you can do I feel sorry for you. The gay thing, I get that a lot, don't really bother me. What bothers me is that your life is so pathetic you try to insult people to feel better about your self. I always have a camera with me, my wife and I are starting a photography company.
As a former cop, and one in total disagreement with the way they are doing their job, I would give you guys some very good advice. Ask for the Chief of Police! If he does not want to comply, ask fo a state trooper. Actually, call the state police and tell them you are being held against your will and there are guns involved. See how long it takes for one to respond. A state trooper has trump over city cops, or county cops. The state cops will not violate you like they will. More audio is better.
while this is happening theres like 20 more crimes being comitted... good job proving your point...if u have nothing to hide, show them that your lidgit and be on your way...
matchelite220 1 day ago
ok the cops here obviously dnt knw the law. 2nd can ur fat ass even shoot a gun. how about u just get ur permit to carry retard. obviously u guys do this shit just do piss everyone off. u guys might wna visit the gym also. fuckin retards.
kcayer2008 1 day ago
i would have been like well iam free to go so thanks guys for wasting time on something that was not a crime while you could have been out stopping actual crime on the streets. lol tho i think an AR is a bit much but thats just my opinion.
mathew85 3 days ago
good god man do a few sit ups and you might be able to catch ur breath after 3 steps, ive never heard anyone pant like that before dude, your family should be concerned for your health and quality of life. Not an insult by the way just concern.
finkployder 6 days ago
Ask the question "Am I free to leave?", if you don't get an answer start walking away and you'll get your answer. They will either let you leave OR stop you, but at least you'll get your answer on film.
chris14473 6 days ago
Lansing police department must have money to burn with that many officers on a call.
They need to be sued so they a get a clue. not to mention the fact they talked to the manager 2 weeks prior before even going in there ....WOW SO MESSED UP!!!!
opencarry1973 1 week ago
Everybody should call the police department in educate the police officers about the law of open carry and stop wasting taxpayer's money WAY too many officer's THAT'S crazy.
opencarry1973 1 week ago
How does this have to do with Obama? This has been legal, and illegally enforced, for a long while now and over a span of many presidents.
dabeev 2 weeks ago in playlist Uploaded videos
that fat pudgy mofo at 2:27 aint no us marine...
3Skitz1Production3 3 weeks ago
Open carry a gun on your hip, great. Is an assault rifle really necessary? I am totally pro open carry, but why does this guy in the red feel the need to carry that caliber of a weapon.
cuttingedge301 1 month ago
@cuttingedge301
Why not?
toptruckracer 1 month ago
What a bunch of boneheads.
camaroslayer50 1 month ago
@camaroslayer50
I agree the cops are a bunch of boneheads.
toptruckracer 1 month ago
you guys are idiots, it's one thing to know and exercise your rights but when you go out to force a reaction that just hurts every gun owner out there and then you wonder why the laws are so strict....i'm glad that you got fucked with. would you rather that the cops do not come and investigate when they get the a gun call so next time when there is a problem and your family gets hurt you can preach your rights
TheDoesmoker 1 month ago
Look at ALL THE COPS you kept off the streets doing REAL police work, simply because you had to "prove a point"!
You guys are making NO "friends" for ANY of us "gun people"!!!
PLEASE STOP! GROW UP!
They WILL pass a law to outlaw OC if you don't!!!
PJS50 1 month ago
@PJS50
The cops choose to be there. Instead of harrassing law abiding persons, they could have been performing REAL policework.
toptruckracer 1 month ago
Person's of interest????
For the love of Pete one you brought an AR into a Ponderosa???
WTF were you thinking??? Of wait, you WEREN'T thinking!!!!
You fucking it up for me, DUMBASSES!!!!
PJS50 1 month ago
@PJS50
Why not carry the AR to dinner?
toptruckracer 1 month ago
@toptruckracer Why not carry a bazooka? Why not drive your tank to dinner?
What is the point you are trying to make?
No matter what you carry "openly", you are just making yourself a target for the criminal that wants it! AND, he will have the jump on you when he decides to take it, because the criminal isn't dumb-enough to carry HIS weapon openly...!
Do you "get it" now???
PJS50 1 month ago
@PJS50
If I had a tank or a bazooka I'd drive or carry it.
If a criminal wants to take a concealed weapon he'll take it. The concealed carrier does not get the benefit of a deterrent.
toptruckracer 1 month ago
@toptruckracer What you are saying makes ZERO sense!!!
How is a criminal going to KNOW you are carrying a concealed weapon until you shoot him with it???
Deterrent??? I think not... How about an INVITATION for assault!!!
Have you seen this video? The ONLY reason this guy was assaulted and stripped of his pistol was because he was open-carrying!!! (you have to put the (.) in the address to see it):
youtube (dot) com/watch?v=zx_YUO4SzcY
Tell it "can't/doesn't" happen now!
PJS50 1 month ago
@PJS50
Concealed carry is an invitation to be attacked, open carry is a deterrent. I'll bet kimberguy doesn't get assaulted, but he open carries.
toptruckracer 1 month ago
@toptruckracer OK then, don't bother responding to me anymore, because you are to ignorant to beleieve that some crackhead with a $100 Phoenix Arms .32 isn't going to want and try and take your $500-$1000 pistol that he ONLY knows you have because you are carryng it openly... Just like in that video I told U to watch,it's REALLY THAT SIMPLE! HE has the element of surprise and a .32, even a .22 to the back of your head is all it will take.... There's NO such thing as a "fair" gunfight you know???
PJS50 1 month ago
@PJS50
That same criminal could take a handgun which was carried concealed. In other words there is no deterrent to concealed carry, but open carry is a deterrent.
toptruckracer 1 month ago
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These Open Carry A-holes in MI. (where we HAVE "shall issue" CPL laws) are doing NOTHING but screwing it up for the rest of us! The ONLY reason OC is legal in MI. is because there are no laws prohibiting it (YET!)?
Keep "making your point" and OC when you don't really NEED to, and MI. WILL have laws to prohibit OC, just like Kalifornia Open Carriers screwed it up for themselves!
Also, you make yourself a TARGET when you OC! Watch this video:
youtube.com/watch?v=zx_YUO4SzcY&feature=related
PJS50 1 month ago
that ar15 was a little much,i laughed my ass off.
justcallmeskippy 2 months ago
@justcallmeskippy haha yeah that went pretty hardcore.
ThunderRyke 1 month ago
OOOOps you did have an AR15..no wonder they were pissing themselves!
XistenceisFutile 2 months ago in playlist Uploaded videos
Next time bring you AR 15's...the cops will get jealous if they saw mine...haha
XistenceisFutile 2 months ago in playlist Uploaded videos
@XistenceisFutile doh I just saw one of you had one...haha no wonder they were pissing thier pants!!!! haha
XistenceisFutile 2 months ago in playlist Uploaded videos
So what did you guys do after your rights were violated?
rockonup 3 months ago
HAHAHAHAHA love the photographer thats carrying an AR slug across his back
pcracer2 4 months ago
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Once again did these fellas make a complaint - Report Abuses - Report Abuses -Report Abuses - File Complaints - File Complaints - File Complaints!!!
turboapkc 4 months ago
It is amazing that police seem to have better attitude toward groups of armed citizens. Odd how that works it works out that why.
jonguyton1 4 months ago
I understand open carry, I love America and all our rights and freedoms, but an ar-15 at a restaurant?
jah2mail 4 months ago
@jah2mail
If you love America and all our rights and freedoms, why are you so content to put restrictions on those rights and freedoms? Any restriction of a right relegates that right to be nothing more than a government regulated privilege.
CmdrHaggis 4 months ago
@CmdrHaggis What about my comment makes you think I'm "content to put restrictions on those rights and freedoms." I'm a concealed permit holder, you didn't understand my comment. My point is, if you feel the need to open carrier to protest the treatment you get from law enforcement, carry a handgun. An ar-15 is overkill. Open carry protestors are hurting gun legislation more than helping it, you cannot argue any other way.
jah2mail 4 months ago
@jah2mail
But you do put restrictions on a right when you say that carrying an AR-15 is overkill. Yes, a handgun is certainly more "appropriate" to a dining experience, but why would we push to have the rifle left in the car. It's safer slung across my back than left in the car for some idiot to snatch. Open carry does hurt gun legislation - by helping us get rid of asinine gun laws. The more folks see other citizens carrying, the better it gets. "Guns aren't scary!"
CmdrHaggis 4 months ago
@CmdrHaggis I'm not putting a "restriction" on anything, my point is more of a judgement call. If you need a rifle to feel safe when going out to eat, then you need to either ; A) practice more with your handgun, or B) Stop being a faggot, you're not in the middle east. My rifle protects my home, property and family. My handgun goes with me everywhere else.
jah2mail 2 months ago
@jah2mail AMEN!
minimally, keep the rifle in the car, take the handgun, CONCEALED to have dinner!!!!
These jerks are screwign it up for US, the SMART patriots!
PJS50 1 month ago
@PJS50 THANK YOU! One reasonable person! I Understand open carry, but why would you want someone to have the drop on you? I don't want anyone to know I own a firearm PERIOD! This is just ridiculous!
jah2mail 1 month ago
@jah2mail
People should feel free to carry what they wish.
toptruckracer 1 month ago
@toptruckracer I agree with you all the way, for me though (and personal opinions don't carry much weight on yt), I don't want the attention. The attention you recieve from bringing an ar-15 into a family restaurant is most likely going to be negative. Almost all states that have concealed carry-bans, or mag cap bans did not have them at one time, however some lawmakers decided that you shouldn't be able to exercise those rights. Rights can be taken away it HAS happened before.
jah2mail 1 month ago
@jah2mail
Rights exist and cannot be taken away. What should not be regulated is the exercise of a right. People should be concerned when government regulates rights. When the regulation begins to be onerous those who are infringed upon will take action. Throughout history this is the model.
toptruckracer 1 month ago
@jah2mail The second amendment does not have weapon type restrictions. If we were truely free to bear arms without infringement we would not be restricted from fully automatic guns witht he current Class III liscencing. He has a right to carry anything he wants under Michigan State law. Even if it makes the sheep shit thier pants...
XistenceisFutile 2 months ago in playlist Uploaded videos
Why is it always the skinny gay guy or the fat Hoosiers posting these videos. YALL FEEL IMPORTANT NOW? Cops did y'all a favor. It doesn't look like any of you need anymore to eat. Especially the camera guy.
1227198028 5 months ago
Guess I know of a Ponderosa never to go to.
vtecrkp1 5 months ago
"Sounds like Obama administration at work" lmfao! you are a fucking idiot. I am sure LPD called Obama and asked him how to treat the situation. I am all for open carry. but you sound ignorant
drizzydrake517 5 months ago
i get it you CAN open carry sure that's awesome i do it on occasion in gratiot county but an AR-15! wtf how could you expect people not to call the police
tubevideoguy762 7 months ago
Why are there no shortages of policemen for nonsensical matters?
IconsOfTeleplay 8 months ago
Shut the fuck up. All of you are a bunch of losers with nothing better to do. Get a job.
philster00700 8 months ago
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READ THE STATE'S FREAKING ORDINANCES ON OPEN CARRY!
wrksnfx 8 months ago
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wrksnfx 8 months ago
I hit dislike once I saw you spit on the sidewalk. That's low rent. I'm all for upholding the constitution, but spitting is stupid.
imachickenman 8 months ago
its a good thing you guys are all white..
abegarza100 9 months ago
@abegarza100 No its a good thing they were compliant and following the laws. Blacks or Mexicans with guns generally dont obey the law. The fuckin truth, no denying it.
Met666 7 months ago
@abegarza100
the guy with the rifle was NOT white.
hillikt 6 months ago
good thing all you guys are white..
abegarza100 9 months ago
I understand the right to carry openly. I really do. But the guy in the red hoodie was carrying a RIFLE. Seriously. WTF do you need to carry around a rifle for? One dude with a rife (at least) and 5 or 6 other guys with handguns (at least). It is going to be a bit suspicious. YES, they were illegally detained, YES they were... wait. Nope... All rights went out the window with the Patriot Act... Sorry guys. No 2nd Amendment rights here.
AngelosDracul 9 months ago
@AngelosDracul if you dont like it get the fuck out of this country!
jwb864 9 months ago
I think carrying an rifle period is retarded, How fast can you get that thing off your back before i use the sling to choke you or my arms.. I carry openly and Concealed i have a permit. But i think a rifle is just asking for trouble
Explorer086 9 months ago
What state is this??? Clearly a state with very few laws if people are allowed to carry semi and auto weapons openly and think no one even the police have no right to ask a few questions and be detained.
skywalkr1138 9 months ago
@skywalkr1138 its in michigan and there is only 6 states that do not allow open carry... if u dont do any crime police have no right to detain you. end of story
bennymoo17 9 months ago
This is disappointing, though I wonder if the frequency of these stops is decreasing now; MSP included open-carry instructions in their legal update last October, so every department should have briefed their officers.
Sunburn2007 9 months ago
I love ponderosa! those motherfuckers
Sporkinator3 9 months ago
The guy filming sounds like he is 400 lbs.
357kuma 9 months ago 2
SUE THOSE DUMB ASS PHUCKERS FOR HARASSMENT...but before you do, ask them if they own any expensive property that you can have when they're all sitting in court!
xMrH2OBoyx 10 months ago
The problem seems to be that five of the six prick cops are minorities and the non-law breakers were white males.
stlB420 10 months ago
SUE!!!!
lorker9 10 months ago
One Important rule to remember:
1) THE POLICE ARE NOT YOUR FRIEND
RayAir1 10 months ago
You need to sue them, even if its just to make all the officers aware of the law.
JJ13233343 10 months ago
I hope that you folks are currently in the process of suing the Lansing PD. Once you asked them if you were being detained and they had no reply, you're legally free to walk away. The ONLY way to stop this illegal activity is to hit them where it hurts, the WALLET!
TangoDown229 11 months ago
What friggin tools....and I'm not talking about the law abiding citizens. Friggin cops.
HolySheet101 11 months ago
Lansing, Michigan?
hopon88 1 year ago
i didnt know it was legal to open carry a rifle??..lol, i knew about pistols but not rifles.
jasutinwiruson 1 year ago
@jasutinwiruson How are you supposed to conceal carry it (which would be the only other option)?
TheGrayman1234 11 months ago
@zackhardball They only hire dumb MFers. It is in their policy.
MrDuffy81 1 year ago
Good video but we can hear the heavy breathing and you're just standing there!
cowboy82272 1 year ago 2
I love what you guys are doing about standing up for your right but you need to lose some weight because all we can hear is you breathing really hard because your over weight!!
lasoya113 1 year ago
@I5adam8. There is an old saying to remember.......First they came for the communists, and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a communist. Then they came for the trade unionists, and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a trade unionist. Then they came for the Jews, and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a Jew. Then they came for me and there was no one left to speak out for me.
tuxinduluth 1 year ago
Just what the world needs,some more conservative nutjobs whining about gun rights.
i5adam8 1 year ago
@i5adam8
Just what the world needs another commie loving idiot that wants to take away peoples civil rights without due process.
921945 1 year ago
@i5adam8 YOU ARE A SLAVE.
SOMEONE ELSE DOES YOUR THINKING AND YOUR MOUTH SPEWS PUTRID SHITE.
MrDuffy81 1 year ago
people rarely get anywhere trying to lecture cops about the constitution. These guys got exactly what they were hoping to get when they went out carrying an M4 and pistols in the open. Good for you though. Maybe you can make some progress in educating the police about civil liberties.
silverbulletmann 1 year ago
@silverbulletmann The cops are too fucking arrogant. ZERO HUMILITY. They are trained in psychopathy, and could never freely admit that they were wrong.
We need more people carrying...it would change society, stop criminal behavior, and put faith in the American way of life...whatever that means, anymore...
I like what AZ did, allowing anyone to conceal.
WAY TO GO AZ!
MrDuffy81 1 year ago
Listen, most police officers are pro 2nd Amndmnt. Its just that the politicians are liberal anti gunners as well as alot of the higher up brass in Police Depts. and the officers are most likely just confused because this movement to excercise our God given right to bear arms is finally coming to the forefront after being supressed for so long. I do blame the officers for not brushing up on the carrying of firearms laws in their state, however, the fat guy OC'ing doesn't have to be a dick.
viper32110331 1 year ago
These cops like most cops need an education !
ferks60 1 year ago
@ferks60 Like most AMERICANS...
MrDuffy81 1 year ago
SUE THE HELL OUT OF THEM! PERSONALLY AND AS A DEPARTMENT!
clarke7703 1 year ago
The fat guy in this video is awesome.
Rock on brother!
LS6CamaroA4 1 year ago
When I was a little boy I used to like playing Roy Rogers, too.
friedie1jeff 1 year ago
@friedie1jeff Well, when you grow up, you can legally carry a real gun too.
Maxwedge12000 1 year ago
I love the comment were the cameraman says that "the Lansing police are turning this into a spectacle". Thats one of the most stupid things ive ever heard. A group of people walk into a restaurant with firearms and you think the cops are making the spectacle.
19caribou61 1 year ago
I hope you push the issue and get that scumbag fired NAZIS
dynaboy1964 1 year ago
@dynaboy1964
a few of these officers got in trouble,one continually harassed a local for it and is now facing federal court along with the whole dept. for that harassment.
hillikt 1 year ago 2
What kind of a moron goes to eat at ponderosa carrying a gun. And one idiot brought a rifle? Wtf
19caribou61 1 year ago
@19caribou61
I'll tell you...Cheap asses without any taste for good food. The dude carrying the rifle is strictly looking for attention and confrontation. Nothing wrong with open carry of a pistol, but come on.
arnoldstwin36 1 year ago
@arnoldstwin36 i think they all went in there for attention and confrontation. Nobody should be sitiing in a restaurant eating dinner with "any' type of weapon.
19caribou61 1 year ago
the cops are clearly wrong and very unprofessional. however, that guy with the out of control bush on his face should consider hiring a gardener
thlman 1 year ago 2
@thlman how exactly are the cops wrong here.The restaurant manager called them. And he had the right to do so.They went in there looking for attention and confrontation and they got it. Right on about bush face though lol.
19caribou61 1 year ago
@19caribou61
Cops were wrong because the manager called the non emergency line merely asking if it was legal,the Dispatcher not knowing the laws,wrongfully dispatched LEO's to the scene.
Open Carry is not reasonable suspicion,these officers illegally detained,checked plates and ID,abused LEIN and issued a fraudulent BOLO across the state on us.
theres reasons several officers got in trouble,one is still currently on desk duty because of it.
hillikt 1 year ago
@19caribou61 Ok i'll buy that but i still say nobody should be carrying a weapon into a restaurant or anywhere else in public for that matter. If you need to carry a weapon around in public like that you need to seek therapy. If we were talking about someone in a high crime area that might have a dangerous job maybe but this is hardly the case.
19caribou61 1 year ago
@19caribou61 why dont you tell that to the victims of the Luby's massacre? dangerous criminals can strike anywhere. i'd rather have a gun with me than be a defenseless victim. but you're free to do as you wish. if a psychopath walks into a restaurant while you're eating dinner and starts open firing, you'll wish these guys were there with their guns
thlman 1 year ago 2
@thlman Amen brother. Protect yourself, your loved ones, and the lives of helpless people.
Chakragod 1 year ago
@19caribou61 as the title of the video states correctly, the cops were acting unlawfully. although the gun carriers may have made some people uncomfortable, they did nothing illegal and were exercising their american and michigan constitutional rights. you cannot be detained simply for expressing your rights without any reasonable articulable suspicion (RAS) of crime. they probably wanted attention to educate the public. theres nothing wrong with that
thlman 1 year ago
Who the fuck would bring an M4 into a restraunt? Someone realllly paranoid! Ya'll americans are pussies; We canadians don't even carry a gun anywhere because we're not gun happy, and we're peaceful. Man if i had a dude walkin in my Burger King with an m4, I'm callin the cops!
drunkpolice 1 year ago 2
@drunkpolice He brought that rifle there to exercise his right to have it, something that you do not have and have never had. And if Canada is so peaceful why do they have TWICE the number of reported assault and rape victims. as well as little more overall crime victims. Which tells me people are still being victimized but not reporting it.
rightsman123 1 year ago
@drunkpolice wussy canadian
jwb864 9 months ago
NO...you are turning yourself into spectacles by carrying assault rifles into a family restaurant. No matter what the reason, if an officer is conducting an investigation, they have a legal right to detain anyone involved. GET A LIFE AND LEARN YOUR LAWS! ...whether 1 or 100 officers show up! It's irrelevant!
sccnws86 1 year ago 2
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elevenpastsix 1 year ago
@elevenpastsix
Equally comparing any citizen carrying a firearm into a restaurant to a police officer doing the same is so idiotic and senseless. You clearly have no idea of the checks, interviews, evaluations and training police officers have in order to carry a firearm. These clowns have little to no training. I feel sorry for you and those you try to influence.
arnoldstwin36 1 year ago
@arnoldstwin36 Ok, so you're as stupid as you seem. I was a police officer, and I can assure you, my neighbor (who isn't a police officer) has had more training, experience, and hands-on time, with weapons then any police officer. There are no firearm evaluations or interviews. Other then the initial entrance evaluations. Those "clowns" are the first line of defense against those who have badges and abuse them. I feel very VERY sorry for you and anyone who listens to your drivel.
elevenpastsix 1 year ago
@elevenpastsix
That explains why you are no longer a police officer then Barney Fife. I said comparing any citizen...aka "average citizen" to a police officer is absurd. Of course there are exceptions. Interviews and evaluations, psych tests....you never had these to be a police officer? I find that hard to believe. Never worked at a department that requires bi-monthly or even monthly firearms training? Apparently not. Have a safe day in Mayberry.
arnoldstwin36 1 year ago
@arnoldstwin36 Ok Hitler, while you're at it, why don't you quantify a person's right to free speech, or to a speedy trial, or the right to privacy. When you begin qualifying citizens based on a tin badge, you start removing our freedoms and rights, the very thing that those guns are meant to protect. You are clueless to the world around you, which is sad, but what is scary, is you believe yourself. I hope you enjoy your stay in la-la land, it's probably a nice socialist place. Dipshit.
elevenpastsix 1 year ago
@sccnws86 ...Where was the assault rifle?
RuthlessZabusa 8 months ago
Why not ask the manager his name cause he is the one violating your rights! It seems like the police are just trying to do their job. Don't blame the police blame the company and manager.
Otherwise great video.
I carried into the Bank of America ended up with 7 police and the Chief of police.
TheUncleT 1 year ago
@TheUncleT
I blame the Police.
Manager called the non emergency line asking if it was legal.
They(police) did not know,and sent in half the on duty LEO's in the city.and illegally detained for a half hour.
hillikt 1 year ago 2
It would be hilarious if the camera man went around as if he were giving a guided tour of the scene, as if the real people were robotic wax replicas in a museum. "And this folks is a recreation of a misunderstanding between citizens and police. The rather large man on the left is openly carrying a weapon, as was common and rightful in that time period, while the group of people in uniforms are police officers, who in that age, were hired by governments to protect people..."
mmclees 1 year ago
My way of thinking is the 2 amendment is a test to see if the government and the cops are up holding the constitution or not.
samten10a 1 year ago
If a person walks around in front of a cop open carrying and the cops does nothing in right to carry state. It tell me he (cops) is trying to up hold the constitution. Along with the mayor and city council is watching what the cops are doing. If the cop does harass the citizen then it tell me the whole city council need to be replaced for failing to supervise the cops.
samten10a 1 year ago
Many cops think they are the only ones who should carry guns. They don't like the playing field being leveled. If you have a gun they lose their sense of power psychologically.
This causes ego tripping cops to over react in these situations.
RayAir1 1 year ago
LOL@the guy who can barely breathe, much less probably handle a firearm, in a high-stress situation. Love how these fat, cowboy a-holes dont understand how openly carrying a gun,&refusing2show ID when asked, gets cops a little nervous. 1day, sensible people will demand their lawmakers strike down this open carry BS once and for all. None of these losers have the training/IQ, 2b "protectors" or "defenders", of average citizens. Btw- cum out 2 CA&try this shit. Our PD will serve u like a burger.
SouthOCmixdown 1 year ago
Simple clue for MI. cops: If you can SEE it,,,you don't need to worry about it. Its the gun you can't see that is a problem. Only LEGAL guns will be carried openly. Criminals hide their guns under their clothing. Stop the guy who looks like hes hiding one. The LEGAL weapon is the one you can SEE. Recite this over and over until you can remember it.
mphandel 1 year ago
im curious did you guys get your money refunded if they asked you to leave?
im still hungry damnit!
opisex 1 year ago
Isn't this the fascist police department that offered $10K (where did they get the money?!) for that guy who burned a Qur'an? Is book-burning a crime in the US? Do they pursue burners of the American flag? How 'bout a Bible burner---would there be a $10K reward?
MaulawiUdo 1 year ago
all I can say is ... WOW!!!!
Though I bet if you all had only handguns there would not have been an issue; but, what had them scared is teh guy with the M-4! Nice weapon by the way!
I; along with 2 friends have been to the IHOP on Jefferson in detroit many times while OC and have never had any issues or even questioned about it!
MEDIADETROIT 1 year ago
these cops piss me off, being a Navy vet, i believe in the constitution that i fight for, and these dumbass cops are supposed to uphold the law and the constitution, I fight for the constitution and they NEED to uphold it...these dumbasses are js abusing their power
shaolinwarrior87 1 year ago
now this is most bullshit. im sorry but they need to go to law school and learn the law. bull straight bull
cplschultz 1 year ago
what is the point of carrying an AR15 to a Ponderosa? Isn't there the distinct possibility that it will the length of the gun will interfere with ones ability to reach the nacho cheese sauce?
ttaylor667 1 year ago
Cameraman needs some O2 :D
christypie18 1 year ago
so your saying if bush was in office those cops wouldn't of messed with you lol
1detroitryder 1 year ago
hey fatass, attention whore much? I don't think you have any business going in a restaurant, the gun is irrelevant
quinch1 1 year ago
I USED to pass through Lansing not any never again. I will also not eat at Pondarosa until all these people are paid for their time and get an apology all on youtube.
daddyg321 1 year ago
Incidents like this continue to occur nation-wide, commonly because police officers are not familiar with aspects of the law they are sworn to enforce. Police are not legal experts, and tend to not be familiar with the laws they enforce, having only a basic (if that) familiarization. Police often enforce law based on their own skewed and misinformed perception of the law, that they never took the time to educate themselves about. It is common for police to be ignorant of the law. Sad times.
browsebot 1 year ago
Your group needs a lawyer that is also a open carry advocate to go with you on these events..See what happens.
ktaguchi 1 year ago
Holy shit...ive seen the kid in the beanie on myspace..his name is something whitey...hes really into 10/22s hahah nice.
itTAKESaWOLF 1 year ago
@itTAKESaWOLF
i see my reputation precedes me!!!
hillikt 1 year ago
@hillikt I just remember seeing you in the NRA group back in the day.
itTAKESaWOLF 1 year ago
@itTAKESaWOLF
you also said something about me on OCDO,do i have you in my friends list?
Grumpy old man has also migrated from the myspace NRA group to OCDO.
hillikt 1 year ago
Detained without reasonable suspicion: that is a crime. Based on this video, you have cause to sue the police department, the city / township, the state, and the officers themselves (they lose qualified immunity for openly violating rights).
Up to you if you choose to do so. I know I would.
Rayven10 1 year ago
I am all for educating and informing the public of our 2nd amendment rights but carrying an AR-15 or any rifle into a family restaurant is asinine. The owner actually was willing to allow this on private property until the rifle came out. Watch the video, families with KIDS are walking out. I agree that this only hurts the cause not help it - It's called baby steps, get the public used to seeing open carry once again in America, then they will support the expression of our rights, then rifles.
dumpfile 1 year ago
As far as OC being more dangerous than CC, I would have to say it goes both ways. If I am a mass murderer whose willing to die in order to kill, I surely would target the open carrier first and from behind. If I were a thug mugger robber type, I would be targeting the person who appears soft and that definitely isn't going to be the person with a gun on his belt. A CC is more likely to have a gun stuck in his face than an OC when robbery is the motive.
Stink808 1 year ago
ha!! that guys just walkin around with an AR on his back..awesome...im for you guys n i just found out actually today that open carry is legal...good for you guys..
TheJacob1186 1 year ago
Carrying long guns does the cause more harm than good.
Open carry activism should have a goal of bringing the public around to feeling more safe around guns, less alarmed and less confrontational. OC also is used to help educate and spread a messege that its okay, that we are okay where CC goes unnoticed.
Making yourself look like the next mall shooting marauder is just bringing bad publicity and attracting some of the wrong crowd in my personal opinion.
Stink808 1 year ago
These so called "right to carry" guys are setting a bad example for the rest of us. They are simply provoking the police, looking for a confrontation, to video tape to "further the cause". Give me a break. Open carry is not such a good idea for self protection anyway. If I were a bad guy...I would shoot the fat bastard first because I know he has a gun!!! Concealed weapons are my choice. I dont want any knot head knowing I'm armed. Element of supprise boys!
a62chv 1 year ago
I agree that some OC is being done without any skill or directed purpose but many times it actually has a positive and helpful effect. I open carry but you will never see me on a youtube video that I had any thing to do with creating. You want to stand up for your rights and express yourself. You don't want to get into a pissing contest. It hurts the cause.
Stink808 1 year ago
WOOT GO RED JACKET guy with your ar-15 variant of some sort. no explantation your terrorists ofcourse (sarcism). learn the law cops.Cold out?
armypenguin 1 year ago
shear police intimidation. cops trying to enforce the law that they don't even know
macchef01 2 years ago
Lansing police = keystone cops
Maxwedge12000 2 years ago
Has anyone filed suit against the City of Lansing yet?
I don't know that I agree that this is the "Obama administation at work". I instead believe that some officers (not all) don't like the idea of people other than them being able to open carry.
If cops can't learn the laws, how can we expect them to enforce them properly?
EvlMonkeey 2 years ago
God bless the second amendment...tyranny would run amok otherwise..
youandmeandocsupra 2 years ago 13
@youandmeandocsupra Tyranny does run amok, unfortunately.
hshadow86 1 year ago
@youandmeandocsupra
It has anyway.
RayAir1 10 months ago
Why is the guy in the red carrying around a camera??? He looks gay. I bet he doesnt have a wife or girlfriend!!
RhoadsFan297 2 years ago
really? if that is the best you can do I feel sorry for you. The gay thing, I get that a lot, don't really bother me. What bothers me is that your life is so pathetic you try to insult people to feel better about your self. I always have a camera with me, my wife and I are starting a photography company.
MrKimberGuy 2 years ago
Spitting on a restaurant ground is not a violation of the law.
InfantryGeek 2 years ago
Real smart guys!
pringelsfan007 2 years ago
OK! You guys are obviously detained without RAS. Sue dammit!
futurevent 2 years ago 13
@futurevent
take it easy sue happy, thats everyones solution sue sue sue
lietzaud 1 year ago
As a former cop, and one in total disagreement with the way they are doing their job, I would give you guys some very good advice. Ask for the Chief of Police! If he does not want to comply, ask fo a state trooper. Actually, call the state police and tell them you are being held against your will and there are guns involved. See how long it takes for one to respond. A state trooper has trump over city cops, or county cops. The state cops will not violate you like they will. More audio is better.
futurevent 2 years ago
nice idea will remember that when I start open carrying in a month.
armypenguin 1 year ago