why do u christians have 100 girl friends . is that fair in christianity ? is it fair to marry ur daughter and have 6 kids from that relation. just shut up and think about these facts . dont just be against Mohammad (sa) and think about ur religion . r u really following ru religion ?
Okay, so if David Wood is an idiot, that means that Ali was not successful in proving the prophethood of Muhammad in a debate against an idiot. What does that tell us? :D
What a huge problem science is for Christianity and Islam,Science confirms the truth,Religion is based on authority and opinions.Science is self-correcting through peer review so why can't the same be true of religion? How many god theories are out there?
@heathsawyer Science even contradicts science, for example the universium started to exist by the big-bang what was chaos. Yet scientific law says chaos can never create harmony only more chaos.
For example when a ball is on the floor and nothing touches it or nothing moves around it the ball will never move, now tell me what was the cause of the big-bang and who created the cause or made it to exist or to Explode..
not that it means anything to a true worshipper of god (cuz its not our authority), but, I say the following to inform my muslim friends and pray they come to truth - Jesus
your quran confirms our bible in several places and yet it thoroughly contradicts gods word - conclusion - quran is not from god
YHWH is gods name 4eva! Jesus made him know to the world. The holy spirit dwells in and with believers, .... we know that non believers will kill many of us believing they are doing god justice :(
@PropheticVindicator ... No. You are a disgusting liar and deceiver. The holy, pure, perfect, and infallible Prophet Muhammad (SAW/Peace be upon him) IS not as you say.
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The TRUTH is that the holy, pure, perfect, and infallible Prophet Muhammad (SAW/Peace be upon him) IS the most honourable, righteous, pious, kind, sincere, handsome, beautiful, pure, intelligent, honest, modest, chaste, and GREATEST creation of Almighty Allah (SWT)!
@david1057 Well Christian God can become a man that has limits. I am not going to a God that is imperfect. Christian God is not the God I worship and the last Prophet came to teach us about.
@going2sleep The Christian God happened to be a perfect man who lived a sinless live. That perfect man also happens to be acknowledge by Islam. Jesus did many miracles in which even involved raising people from the dead. What miracles did Mudhamed ever did?'
He didn't even knew how to read nor write, some prophet!
You follow Islam because they allow allot of wickedness in which people like you like. Islam is a religion of convenience.
@david1057 No such thing as a perfect man. Men are humans and humans have to sleep, eat, use restroom, don't see all things, don't know everything, have all sorts of limits. It is not just about committing sin. To become fully man and fully God makes an imperfect God with LIMITS. I don't worship that type of God with limits that man has.
@going2sleep You keep forgetting that Jesus was not just any man. He's the only person in history born of a virgin & your religion acknowledges this. Therefore, if he was born of a virgin with no earthly father, from where did Jesus obtained his blood?
Everyone knows that the blood of a born child is obtained from the father, not from the mother. Therefore, Jesus was & is divine Mohamed is not. By your own argument, you shouldn't be following Mohamed who was just an ordinary man.
@david1057 It is simple just because Jesus was born without a father does not make him divine. Yes, it is a miracle birth but miracles are not used by God to claim created things are divine. Miracles point to the fact that there is a God. That is blasphemous to say God put "blood" inside a human (Mary) to conceive a fully God, fully man person. That is something from Greek Methodology text. I don't believe in God conceiving himself on earth through a pure woman, Mary. That would make Mary a God
@going2sleep Am not sure if you're aware of what your saying or if you know what you're talking about.
"Yes, it is a miracle birth but miracles are not used by God to claim created things are divine"
1st of all, Jesus is not a "created thing". Jesus himself stated that he existed with the Father from the very beginning. Now, let me ask you this. You claim that God is all powerful, I agree with you. But if he's so powerful why can't he sent part of himself to be born of a virgin?
In addition Jesus made many miracles to proof who he was. He also prophesied many things. All the prophets before Mohamed, came prophesying the coming of Jesus. Mohamed claimed to be a prophet & he die without telling his disciples what his prophesy was. A prophet without prophesy?
Jesus did many miracles in front of thousands to proof who he was.
But when we look at Mohamed he failed to do any miracles to proof his prophet-hood. He did however told his disciples that he flew from Meca to Jerusalem on a flying donkey in the dark. Unfortunately or conveniently, for Mohamed the donkey was his only witness!
@david1057 "Sent part of Himself to a virgin." Do you know how ridiculous that sounds. God is all powerful but this Paul doctrine is not what God intended people to believe, the fact that He sent Himself to earth to kill himself for the sin of men that He created. Seriously, it is not the ultimate "sacrifice" it is the ultimate conundrum. We enter the kingdom of heaven by God's mercy not by God killing Himself. That is statement I can take to the grave.
@going2sleep No I don't think it sounds ridiculous at all. The problem is that you're viewing God as a man, therefore limiting his capabilities as a man's capabilities are limited. If we have for instance the substance of water, which God created. Water can be taken from the sea, yet it remains in the sea. If a substance under his creation can do that, why can't the creator?
You don't know about sacrificial love, because you don't know love. To love is to give your live!
@david1057 I don't view God as a man. That is your belief when you say God is fully God and fully "perfect" man, even though man have limits. Jesus was born, was created, have limits (as described in the Bible), that makes him human, performed miracles by the PERMISSION of God. It is your problem to deal with and make incantations out of until it is accepted by you.God is perfect and above all created things.God forgives by repentance and mercy not to display an imperfection and kill himself.
Of course you view your god as a human, by limiting his capabilities. I don't limit his capabilities, & I do accept that he loved us enough to become one of us, without ceasing to be God. If you can't wrap this around your head, how can you proclaim your god to be all powerful?
All powerful includes things that are outside your human understanding. God coming in the flesh, does not mean that he stopped being God. The antichrist will come also in the flesh, yet being fully satanic.
Revised Standard Version- 1952 A.D. Literal translation into American English which used the earliest possible text
New International Version- 1960's & 70's A.D. This is a very good contemporary English version. Another good contemporary English version is New King James Version (NKJV)
The Youngs Literal Translation is as close to the originals as you can get, translated by Robert Young in 189
bro of course it is not every single line the same, look how language has changed over time. but ask any scholar and he will say no where in history has it been fundamentally changed or corrupted, the textual similarities for them are 99.5%, compared to 95% on homers illiad.
Muhammad helped orphans with a little of the 1/5 of the "booty" that his self-serving alter-ego "Allah" allotted to him. Money he stole from others rather than earned. Just like a Mafia Don spreading his filthy blood money around his neighborhood to those immoral enough to accept it. Or like a politician being "generous" with money confiscated from hard working tax payers. Muhammad's god was Satan himself. The spirit of antichrist blinds his followers to these simple truths.
Muhammad's suggestion that it only "appeared" that Christ was crucified is a Gnostic doctrine - Simonianism - that was first penned by Simon the Sorcerer in the first century. It was adopted by the occult cult of the Ebionites. Muhammad received it from his wife Khadijah's cousin Waraqa bin Naufal who was an Ebionite occult priest.
Since there is not a shred of historical or archaeological EVIDENCE that suggests that Mecca ever existed prior to the 4th century AD, Muhammad's cult is exposed as being nothing more than just that. Even an atheist can embrace that simple truth. No Mecca - no Abraham/Hagar - Muhammad's drivel is exposed as a lie and the rituals his followers engage in as nothing more than thinly repackaged Quraish pagan moon, sun, star and jinn-devil worship.
Five times in Isaiah 14:12-15 does Satan say to himself: "I will..." (X 5) = very proud.5 = the number of death, hence the pentagram. You are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father you will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. - John 8:44 and they deceived and Allah deceived and Allah is the best deceiver. - Sura 3:54.
hi.... I am ashar from Pakistan, thank you David for such speech on this topic awesome but look at the example of Jesus Christ............. bible is based on love of God show them love they are including .... are very badly beaten by Satan show them love and win them for the Lord.
You People are commenting on debate that focuses on islam and not christianity. If you want to see a lecture that allows both religions to be scrutinised then watch "watch?v=Xk61hslLHlw" and then you will see how pathetic and the amount of loop holesand inaccuracies you religion really has. From an individual who has memoried both the quarn and all the bible. I really hope you christains someday will open your eyes
by denying muhammad you are deny all prophets. it is impossible for a humans hands to become bright. it is impossible for a tree to be lit it is impossible for the sea to split ! I love when people try to disclaim muhammad, because they really have no idea what they are talking about. If any muslim feels threatned please contact me: jazalla25@hotmail.com
everything he is saying is just funny to me, because it is like "gah" alhumduiallah, I can see what he is doing, its crazy....
no i am not, jesus said he is the only way, he didnt mention muhammad, he says false prophets will come and change the gospel message..muhammad did just that!! muhammad killed people, muhammad married a 9 year old girl ( he was 54) and he stole his step sons wife zainab
@rrazzaqu Mohammed was no prophet. He was a self-serving bandit and racketeer. Those who follow him are, by definition, indoctrinated, uneducated and ignorant. Even during his own lifetime and countless times since, his supposedly 'miraculous' book has been bettered in every possible way. Its 'guidance' is simply an endless tirade of threats and promises, along with absurd claims to Mohammed's own status. There is no quick fix to such backwardness.
am i correct in saying that david wood is a friend and colleague of sam shamoun?
and if i am correct than why do they contradict each other? @14:30 david wood claims that muslims believe god took up jesus and replaced him with judas to be crucified yet when sam shamoun debated shabbir ally and it came to the QandA section of the bebate a questioner asked sam if judas was crucified as stated in the quran and sam responded with there is NO such statement in the entire quran that it was judas.
Notice the difference in your own words. Wood said muslims believe this. Shamoun commented on whether it is stated in the Quran. Those aren't always the same. Muslims believe all kinds of stuff that isn't in the Quran. Even the five prayers aren't mentioned in the Quran and yet Muslims believe in it.
... Ezekiel 23:19 "Yet she became more and more promiscuous as she recalled the days of her youth, when she was a prostitute in Egypt. 20: There she lusted after her lovers, whose genitals were like those of donkeys and whose emission was like that of horses. 21: So you longed for the lewdness of your youth, when in Egypt your bosom was caressed and your young breasts fondled" How does the Christians believe this to be the word of god?
@rahanonu ...jerusalem was finally freed. the first mission of the mesiah they are waiting for. in 1948 the state of israel was established. which is the second mission of the mesiah.
now they are waiting to rule the world and they will for a period of time under the rule of the false mesiah, dajjal. but this state of israel is not the same state that was ruled by solomon because solomon ruled by the law of god, the state of israel today is ruled by secular laws...
@rahanonu what they do not realise or do not want to understand is that they are on the false path, the path of falling into the trap and deceit of this false mesiah who will give them the impression that the prophecy has been fulfilled. but the truth is tht the true mesiah, jesus will come and defeat them, and will free jerusalem, will restore the true kingdom of god and will rule by the law of god. the false mesiah will be killed.
@rahanonu i dont understand why those letters were included into the bible and considered to be the word of god, while they are the word of a man, called paul who wrote 40 years after jesus and who never saw jesus in his life.
1)in the earliest records of christianity we find that jesus apostles believe he was the son of god died on the cross and rose again, how do you reconcile that with the quran
2)if im not mistaken the quran talks about jesus holding the sriptures and approving it, but we have the scriptures that date back to before jesus, which are identical to ours so if they werent acceptable why would jesus approve them
3)and how do you reconcile prophecies such as daniel 7
@rahanonu the qor'an tells us that the ppl of the book have changed the scriptures, they altered the word of god.
for example the qor'an tells that usury was totally forbidden to the children of israel, now if we open bible we will see that it says that it is forbidden for jews to practice usury with jews but not with gentiles. thats not the word of god but the word of man. god totally forbade usury with anyone.
regarding the crucifixion of jesus. the bible says that his diciples fled...
@rahanonu ...when the romans took jesus, which is a great probability that they havent witnessed the crucifixion. the bible also says that the rabbis were in hurry to crucify him and to take him off the cross firstly because of the crowd who loved jesus, which means that the crowd were afraid of a riot. secondly to take him off fast because of the sabath and their belief that during the sabath no man shall hang on the cross.
@khalilrabee i havnt seen this in the bible please tell me where to find it, also if the crowd loved jesus why would they free barabus the murderer instead of jesus
@rahanonu the reason why they were in a hurry to take him down from the cross is clearly stated in the bible, it was because of the sabath. but no man dies in 3 hours on a cross, historians and doctors say that it takes at least 2 days to die on a cross.
what im saying is not speculation but the islamic view and the prophecies made by the prophet mohammad. the jews waited for the mesiah who had 3 missions. to free jerusalem, restore the state of israel and rule the world...
do you understand why any one who isnt a muslim has a hard time believing this since all historical accounts say the opposite, and what youve offered me is just speculation
@rahanonu after world war 1 the islamic empire was finally defeated, why? the qor'an gives the answer. if we obey allah and implement his law he will give us victory, but if we leave it it will happen to us the same thing that happend to the kingdom of israel more than 2000 years ago. he will send another nation to defeat us.
thats exactly what happend. the muslims left more and more of the law, and they were defeated by the colonialists. which means that acording to the jews...
@rahanonu the bible also says that despite all the miracles jesus has done the disbelieving jews still asked for miracles so jesus told them that he will stay in the belly of the earth for 3 days and 3 nights.
the bible says that they hanged him at the 3rd hour of the day and took him off i think at the 6th or 7th. but a crucified person doesnt die that fast, and the bible says that they didnt break his legs.
@rahanonu the jews were expecting the mesiah to free jerusalem and to rule the world, not a mesiah who will come and die for sins. so the jews wanted to prove that he wsnt the mesiah and the ultimate way to prove that was by killing him. and no man dies but once, after that he will be resurected in judgement day. but god decreed that jesus is the mesiah who will free jerusalem and rule by gods law which means that he couldnt have died and thats what the qor'an says, he didnt die.
@rahanonu and the prophet mohammad told us that he will come back and will free jerusalem and he will rule the world by the law of god as was prophecied to david, which means that the prophecy of god can not be defied, because if he decrees something thats what will happen.
jews until this day wait for the mesiah to come. why? because they rejected jesus, and dont believe he was the mesiah. which means that the mesiah they are waiting for is in reality dajjal, the imposter or antichrist
@rahanonu a false mesiah who will decieve them. jesus, the true mesiah, will come and he will free jerusalem from the hands of this imposter who will be killed by him. and he will rule the world. prophecy fulfilled. see how the story fits perfectly? thats history, christianity is almost mythology.
im not sure what u refer to with daniel 7. which part do u refer to? by the way i read the new revised standard version bible which acording to christian scholars its from the most ancient manuscripts
2)if im not mistaken the quran talks about jesus holding the sriptures and approving it, but we have the scriptures that date back to before jesus, which are identical to ours so if they werent acceptable why would jesus approve them
@rahanonu the qor'an says that jesus came and aproved what was revealed by god, not what was added and altered by man. same for mohammad. it says that he was sent and he aproved what was revealed by god, but not what altered by man.
well the only explanation to why were the rabbis in a hurry to crucify him is because jesus had great influence among the crowd. he made many miracles for them, he healed them , gave life to the dead, acording to the bible he fed many ppl with few loaves of bread..
@khalilrabee sorry but can you give me the surah so i can read it in context please,
also i think its a hadith i may be mistaken, where mohammed takes the scripture from some jews and places it on his cushion saying how good it was, which brings up the same question, if it has been changed so much why would he do that, especially since we have records of scriptures that predate mohammed by 800 years and are identical to ours
@rahanonu what im saying is not entirely in the qor'an most of it is from hadith, i mean regarding the antichrist and jesus' return. they are from hadith.
u can acces a website of hadith and search the key words "black flags of khurasan" "mahdy" "jesus return", "dajjal", "army of 70000 jews" etc. its all hadith and partially qor'an.
@rahanonu in order to understand what im saying better and in a better order listen to "imran hussein"-s lectures. just search "imran hussein" here on youtube and ull find his lectures regarding israel, jesus, gog and magog, the return of jesus, the mahdy, the army from khorasan...
all of it. he gives the refrences to the hadith and the verses of the qor'an which means that ull understand much better than i can explain. by the way ill add u as friend.
i will definately check it out, but tonight i think me and you are at a stalemate my friend, but may i just say i was great having this conversation with you, honestly you seem to be a very nice person, please make sure you add me as a friend, god bless you brother
@rahanonu we have much to learn and much to care for. may allah bless us all and guide us to the right path, the path of jesus and not the false mesiah.
by the way. the hadith say that also christians will believe that dajjal is the mesiah, because thats what he will pretend to be. also god will be given him power to cut a man in 2 halves and bring him back to life, and he will have the ability to control weather and bring rain. mostly the ahadith that make refrence to dajal describe very well.
@rahanonu the systems that govern the world today. actually 1 system. capitalism. the prophet also said that he will have the ability to cause starvation among the ppl. thats exactly what the system is doing today. making the rich richer and making the poor poorer and enslaved.
christians will also take him as god when they will see his power to do those things.
the muslims will be able to escape from his deception. the prophet said that the muslims will be able to see on his forehead written.
@rahanonu written on his forehead the word "kafara" or "kafer" which means disbliever.
he also described his phisical form, he will be a short man, with curly hair, well built as a man, blind of one eye.
imran hussein says that blind with one eye isnt literaly blind with one eye, but the blindness will be internal blindness. anyway, watch his lectures ull probably be amased.
by the way. the age of a manuscript doesnt prove its authenticity.
@khalilrabee the quaran was writen 600 yrs after jesus was alive while the bible was written in his presence so what makes you think that the quaran is right?? .. the original quran was burnt and re written
@dadondutta wrong! paul is the earliest writer of the nt who wrote 40 years after jesus. mark was the first of the gospels which was written 60 years after jesus, john is the last which was written 90 years after jesus.
christians have no idea who the writers of the gospels are because the manuscripts have no signiture or dont have any name atributed to them. paul wrote a bunch of letters that were installed into the bible by the church why? because paul is the founder of christianity
@dadondutta there were other gospels circulating during pauls time and the church did not include them into the bible because they lack the passion. so the church didnt chose to include history into the bible, but biased theology.
u have 4 gospels that contradict each other in key details which means that the qor'an is write, the christians follow only conjecture. we have to learn history before having faith :)
@khalilrabee please if your goign to say stuff like that proe yourself otherwise your argument is mute and you still didnt nwer my question like david wood said muslims wheneva they have a debate use the two quoe falicy
@khalilrabee you have so many wrong points and yet you think your write i would write down all your mistakes but we'll just go on and on if you want to have a propa debate id gladly meet you anywer and infront of anyone and convert you on the spot by stating facts that you couldnt refute
@dadondutta Different christian denominations have different number of books in their Bible, that means Bible is a corrupted bunch of dirty filthy books. The bible itself also says that the scribes have corrupted it!! if it was not corrupted, then all the bible will be unique. The prostitutes are roaming around throughout the bible and the christians shamelessly call it holy scripture. But it is not, it is only a whorey scripture. Christians are all lost, like the losers Sam, Woods.....
@kenhargg your a funny person how can you claim the bible stating the scriptures are corrupted yet you dont back ur stupid comments with quotes .. i can do what you do too .. the quaran was not inspired by god ..its all lies .. muslims are lost.. seee how dumb you look, learn your quaran before you talk to me and have respect for the bible for even in your quran it says to respect the bible and tora as they were from god.. i know more about your religion then you do you fool
@dadondutta U r trying to become a holy stupid, but that's not gonna save bible from corruption. The protestants have 66 books in their bible, the catholics have 73 books, ethopian orthodox have 81books and the list goes..!!! how come different number of books in the same scripture???!!! The answer is simple; coz of PURE corruption. Why u need that much PROSTITUTES and ALCOHOLISM in a holy scripture??!! The answer is simple; coz of PURE corruption. Quran do not say to respect a PORN BOOK!!
@kenhargg loool u sound like a kid i only have debates with adults please stop talking to me you bring up information but you dont back nothing up with facts you stupid boy go praise what you believe stop talking to me you know nothing
@dadondutta It is a very good decision that u will debate Bible with only adults. please make sure that those adults are aged 24+. only adults aged 24+ are allowed to read Bible coz that much prostitutes, porn stories and alcoholism are there in Bible. So, please don't debate bible with kids so that they will be misled even at the early stages.
bro u talking rubbish, u calling our book pornographic? muhammad had loads of wives and sex slaves! not to mention a NINE YEAR OLD GIRL! absoloutely disgusting. and the bible is not corrupt, why do muslims say that, research the dead sea scrolls and u will realise that the bible we have today is the same as 2000 years ago! it has been TRANSLATED not changed. if u go against it, your going against historians and archaologists...SNM
@stavvy95 First you never studied his marriage life with Ayesha. You never read the Quran or the life of the last Prophet. If he was a womanizer why would he have one wife at from ages 25 to 50? This sick society tells us that womanizers start at young age and never end. So you stop lying and start reading more. Bible has been tampered by human hands spreading lies just like yourself.
@going2sleep has the bible really been tampered with? is that why scholars agree that the new testament is the most reliable copies ever, 24,000 copies remain from the 2nd century in which is 99.5% agreement with today.
@stavvy95 Thats not true at all the numbers would be 30% because all other religions deny christianity. Also the protestant do not belief Christianity can be proven but you just have to have faith.
These so called scholars do not even know who the authors are of the bible or when its cannoned and who was authorized to took certain books in the bible and leave other ones out..
@k You have no idea what ur talking about do u? The Bible is a collection of books.. anyone can bring out a Bible with more books added to it.. but the what u seem not to know or understand is that the 5600+ Greek manuscripts is what form the New Testament of the Bible.. u have absolutely no arguement and no proof of corruption, and ur Muhammad said that no one can corrupt the words of Allah and since the Gospel and Torah are Allah's words they could not have been corrupted or ur Allah is a LIAR
@rev2214 Yup. That's why when Muslims say that Muhammad is in the Bible I say, "Yeah he is. He is talked about and prophesied in the Bible. Where ever you see warnings/prophesies about FALSE PROPHETS, that's a reference that includes Muhammad." Amen.
@kenhargg this is grossly untrue, the majority of denominations have the exact same bible (with the same number of books) the different books called the apocryphal texts are rejected by all but a few denominations. So to paint it as each denomination has different books is simply a lie and not even a good one
@kenhargg All nonsense arguments. The bible may be full of sin and sinners, but that does not make the message theirin unholy. Just as a court may be full of murderers but that doesn't make the judge a murderer. You don't have to understand. As long as the judge does.
@kenhargg Furthermore. The oxford dictionary on the word : BIBLE
Origin: Middle English: via Old French from ecclesiastical Latin biblia, from Greek (ta) biblia '(the) books', from biblion 'book', originally a diminutive of biblos 'papyrus, scroll', of Semitic origin
The word means :The book or the books. Or the scriptures. Or the papyrus. Or the scrolls.
If you can't fathom what that means. That means that some denominations hold this or that book for less strong or strong.
@kenhargg Or valuable and less valuable.. YOu might not know it. But the hadith has "weak" and "strong" books too..
Actually when a book is discovered it has to be determined how valuable that book is, if it is a fraud or if it is accurate. If i write an additional chapter to the qur'an and put it under a rock in arabia, does the qur'an become corrupted?? is it sufficient if all the church fathers consider it to not be part of the doctrine.. Like for example te gospel of peter.
@kenhargg See you give really really REALLY REALLYY!!!!! REAAAAAAAALYYYYYYY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Crappy arguments and i bet your aplauding yourself. But any rational person can see straight thru your folly.
@dadondutta i know ..i have listen to many bedates on bible too. i know .infact christhians also know that bible cound not b defended sorry to say.. for oldest bible present is codes sinaiticus. books and chapter r missing from present bible .. and new chapter r present codexsinaiticus(.)org . thats y christhian over the years try stupid tricks to find error or contradictionsl like milky water and moon god and failed thats y even good christian apologetics never endorse it .
@sicker57 if christians couldnt defend the bible then why is it a debate .. if it was so clear cut then the debate would be very much one sided ..david used your quaran to refute ali's comments ... their are tons of contradictions n the quran .. the quarans oldest scriptures were burnt and re wrote again by one man and thats why muslims think the quarans neva been changed ova the yrs .. please do your research
@dadondutta tons of contradictions lol .. quran burnt and rewritten ?? u r typical christian u will use lise and stupid trick like sam or david and always get thrash on a debate.. do ur research with open eyes . when people joined isam people recited quran with different pronounciation and written diffect dilect ... so original quran was brought from prophets wife (not wrote again ) which was original and copied .. which was in quresh dilect and rest of with slightest variation was burnt.
and believe in jesus for what he was not what u wish him to be, believe him for what he said he was not what the church says he was. and he said that he is a man sent by god, that the miracles he made are not from him but god makes them through him. thats what ur bible says that he said. believe his words not the words of paul or the church.
the qor'an tells us that the way to salvation is to follow the footsteps of the prophet abraham, the true friend of god.
we do not believe a trinity, because it was not the teaching of any prophet, they all said the same thing "one god" from the first to the last prophet. noone added anything to it. the second thing is that if we look into history we will see that the trinity predates christianity. hindus have trinity, the roman and greek pagans had trinities. the european christians combined the religion of jesus with roman and greek paganism. do not say 3, say 1, it would be better for u.
the qor'an tells us clearly to believe and love all the prophets who were great men, the best moral examples that one can follow and to not make difference between them. we love jesus, moses, isac, ishmael, jacob, john the baptist and so on as much as we love the prophet mohammad. they all had the same basic message to tell ppl. and that is that there is one god, do not worship anyone except him and do not create partners or asociates for him, meaning idols.
what do we believe about god? the same thing moses and jesus believed.
they both said "hear o israel the lord our god is one god"
it was revealed to the prophet mohammad in surah 112 "say he is allah! the one and only, the eternal absolute, he does not beget nor is he begotten and there is noone comparable to him".
the qor'an tells us to tell christians not to say 3 but say 1. 1 god, and jesus is not more than a prophet like any other prophet who performed miracles by the permision of god
people don't listen to this ignorant guys they don't know nothing , please don't be like them find out for your self , did you know that almost 2 % of the world convert to islam thats just last year, and those guys don't want you to know , have you asked yourself why are they only attacking islam? find out for yourself or dial the 800 number and make a donation !!! if jesus is here now would he allow this ?
"is this scientificly correct? no!" -says david...
acording to who? to david? why? because david says so...everything he said regarding science in the qor'an and hadith are true including the fly's wings...
missionaries are a bunch of liars and decievers who give some money in one hand and the bible in the other to poor ppl...tfu alekom ya khanazeer ya kaddhaabeen
@rahanonu about the sun. the qor'an doesnt say that the sun sets in any water. it speaks about a perso called dhul qarnayn and his perspective of where he saw the sun setting. i dont know to hiw many ppl i have to repeat the same thing. google is free.
regarding the fly. just google "fly one wing disease one wing cure" ull find some article saying about a scientific research.
the qor'an doesnt say that the baby first form bones but a clot of blood.
@khalilrabee thirdly i did type in "fly one wing disease one wing cure" into google and i found nothing to prove what you are claiming, in fact i found out flies carry over 6 million bacteria, so please give me a scientific journal or any scientific website or any of the documents you claim you found online, please just one credible source.
@rahanonu the qor'an doesnt say that sperm is behind ribs, it says that sperm is formed between the ribs and the backbone which is sciwentificly true. read "the bible, the qor'an and science"
just google all those things and ull see that what david wood does is a matter of twisting words.
and u should read the qor'an. especially the sun setting. technicly the sun doesn't set anywhere and its a matter of perspective. which is what the qor'an is saying.
@khalilrabee firstly sperm is entirely formed within your testicles, the scientific research is not hard to find by the way its called wikipedia.
secondly in regards to the sun setting, if you say the quran says that to this person it looked like this...., thats fine, to my cousin sphegetti looks like worms, but i just cant see how that proves the scientific accurracy of the quran.
@rahanonu theres nothing regarding scientific acuracy in the story of dhul qarnayn and his perspective of the sun set. that is a story of a man, we dont know exactly who he was, he had a journey and saw the sun setting in the water. meaning he saw the reflection of the sun on that water. just like u see the sun "setting" into the sea at the horizon. its a matter of perspective.
regarding sperm the qor'an says between the sulb and thara'eb. i dont really know what these words mean.
@rahanonu sometimes the translation of some words into other langueges might not be correct, jamal badawy says that they dont mean backbone and ribs. and im not really into the scientific claims of the qor'an.
for me and many arabs the languege of the qor'an is more than enough to prove that its from god.
regarding sperm, i dont really know what the qor'an is saying because i dont know what those words actually means but ill look into "lisan al'arab" to see what the ancient arabs meant by them
@rahanonu i dare call him a liar because he knows that this is not the acurate meaning of the words. and yet he uses them. dont worry. its not the first debate i watch with dave wood, and im more than familiar with his decieving tactics.
' the qor'an doesnt say that sperm is behind ribs, it says that sperm is formed between the ribs and the backbone which is sciwentificly true. read "the bible, the qor'an and science"
then when confronted with scientific evidence you said
"regarding sperm, i dont really know what the qor'an is saying because i dont know what those words actually means but ill look into "lisan al'arab" to see what the ancient arabs meant by them"
@rahanonu making a mistake doesnt mean liar. yes i did say that and i looked for it and ive found some words of jamal badawy who was having a debate with the same david wood and told him that sulb and thara'eb dont mean backbone and mans ribs. when i said that the first time i didnt know this i used a translation.
thats it. i dont know exactly what the qor'an is saying about sperm. and thats it.
but david wood knows very well that this tranbslation is not acurate and he still uses it.
1)"acording to who? to david? why? because david says so...everything he said regarding science in the qor'an and hadith are true including the fly's wings..."
2)the qor'an doesnt say that sperm is behind ribs, it says that sperm is formed between the ribs and the backbone which is sciwentificly true. read "the bible, the qor'an and science"
3)thats it. i dont know exactly what the qor'an is saying about sperm. and thats it.
@khalilrabee so either your a liar, in which case there's no point having a debate with you, or you don't know what your talking about, in which case there's still no point having a debate with you
@rahanonu as i said im not really into the scientific claims of the qor'an but there are guys who provided evidence regarding the sperm produced between the ribs and the backbone. and thats why i said the first time that its true. regarding the fly i sent u the link.
now ive checked again for the sperm production and jamal badawy says that the words havent been translated properly.
and again making a mistake doesnt mean lying. and pls check the link regardong the fly and comment on that
@khalilrabee even if your not lying, and how would i kno by the way if you were or weren't, it just means that you dont know what your talking about, in which case its pointless having a debate with you. Im not trying to be rude, but you have to see it from my perspective you say something, then you say something else, then you say something else, then you admit you dont really understand it, do you see the issue i would have with believing you. p.s. please message me the link for the fly again
@khalilrabee the last comment im gonna say to you is when you get tired of having to scramble and search for all these answers in your religion and you want real peace, im not talking about quietness, im talking about real peace in your soul, and knowing what you believe is true and that god has truly forgiven you for your sins, pick up a bible. God bless you my brother.
@rahanonu peace and forgiveness by picking up a bible? only picking it up? cause ive read parts of it and i can say that its not much of peace in it and it contains many strange things about god. for example not knowing what he was creating, or inability to see what humans were doing, or jacob wrestling with him and bating him.
i dont want forgiveness for such a god, i want forgiveness from the god who is the one, eternal absolute and theres noone like him. the one who sees all and knows all
@khalilrabee lol, i know i said that was going to be my last comment but i guess i have to respond. let me ask you a question, i don't want you to just give me quick answer i want you to consider it really think about it and the consequences for your life e.g the relationship with your family members and friends and country men.if everything you believed concerning islam turned out to be a lie, if your whole religion and way of life turned out to be lie, would you really want to know?
@rahanonu u know. the arabs have a saying "if we would plant [the word] 'if' [the phrase] 'ow how i wish' would grow"...
what does this mean? that saying "if" is totally useless most times.
and what would the alternative be? christianity? well i would tell god that i didnt believe more nor less than what the bible says in general about him, i believe in the prophets, i believe in jesus as a man sent and aproved by god just like the bible says"
@khalilrabee brother you didn't answer my question. But let me answer yours first anyway. If i am wrong about my faith about how God wants me to worship him then i want to know, because everything in this world, family, friends EVERYTHING is worthless without true knowledge and worship God. If i die i cannot get a second chance not to be eternally damned to hell, so with every inch of my being i would want to know.
@rahanonu and god will ask u "how could u believe that i almighty god became a baby that came our of a vagina? how could u believe a book to be the word of god while that book says that i roar like a beast, a bear, a dog, that fire comes out of my nose, that i cant see, i forget things, jacob beats me and i beg him to let me go etc.? how?"
i think ur the one who would be in trouble not me.
@khalilrabee and WHEN god asks why did you underestimate him so much that you couldnt believe it was in his power to become a man, that he didnt have the ability to live amoung his own creations, you will have no answer for him and in your heart you will know you are guilty.
@rahanonu i dont need to lie, ive read that part of th bile and thats what it says. that jacob wrestled with god and jacob has beaten him and he was holding him while god was begging him to let him go.
and even if he didnt lose!!!! how could u believe that jacob wrestled with god? answer the question simply. do u believe that jacob wrestled with god? almighty god wrestling with his creature, which compared to him is smaller than an atom for gods sake! how could u believe such an absurdity?
@rahanonu it doesnt matter when were the dead sea scrolls were written as long as they are wrong. date is not the issue here. the concepts are the issue. god roaring like a beast? u believe that?
u believe that the great prophet abraham sold his wife twice???? a prophet of god? and god aproved that?
u believe these absurdities?
answer my question. do u believe that jacob wrestled with god and god begged him to let him go because the sun was starting to shine? u believe that?
@rahanonu be honest and answer the questions with simple yes or no.
u believe god needs a rainbow in order to remember his promise to noah?
u said that u want the truth. the qor'an is the truth and it says "nothing can be hidden from him".
and it says "allah knows what is within the hearts" not what ur bible says about him, that he forgets things, he contradicts himself. thats not the truth and u can have 1 million sea srolls as long as they say the same shameful things about god and prophets
David Wood is such a jerk - See the video at 22:12
hamzah938 2 weeks ago
@hamzah938 Exlpain how that proves that he is a jerk. Present an argument.
Jedothek 1 week ago
why do u christians have 100 girl friends . is that fair in christianity ? is it fair to marry ur daughter and have 6 kids from that relation. just shut up and think about these facts . dont just be against Mohammad (sa) and think about ur religion . r u really following ru religion ?
dlee982 2 weeks ago
dont read sahih bukhari or muslim . read nahjul balagha .
dlee982 2 weeks ago
u r a mother fucker . christian should not be suspicious they just know how to fuck their mums and sisters as they do
dlee982 2 weeks ago
lol david wood is an idiot respectivley :)
theonlyhoodmunda 3 weeks ago
@theonlyhoodmunda
Okay, so if David Wood is an idiot, that means that Ali was not successful in proving the prophethood of Muhammad in a debate against an idiot. What does that tell us? :D
HaecceitasQuidditas 1 week ago
What a huge problem science is for Christianity and Islam,Science confirms the truth,Religion is based on authority and opinions.Science is self-correcting through peer review so why can't the same be true of religion? How many god theories are out there?
heathsawyer 3 weeks ago
@heathsawyer Science even contradicts science, for example the universium started to exist by the big-bang what was chaos. Yet scientific law says chaos can never create harmony only more chaos.
For example when a ball is on the floor and nothing touches it or nothing moves around it the ball will never move, now tell me what was the cause of the big-bang and who created the cause or made it to exist or to Explode..
Lizzio1980 1 week ago
not that it means anything to a true worshipper of god (cuz its not our authority), but, I say the following to inform my muslim friends and pray they come to truth - Jesus
your quran confirms our bible in several places and yet it thoroughly contradicts gods word - conclusion - quran is not from god
YHWH is gods name 4eva! Jesus made him know to the world. The holy spirit dwells in and with believers, .... we know that non believers will kill many of us believing they are doing god justice :(
tripicysco 4 weeks ago
Ummm...this guy didn't prove anything......lol
WaterMots 1 month ago
Muhammad was a sexual pervert.
PropheticVindicator 1 month ago
@PropheticVindicator No evidence of that lie. Islam is the truth and you just need to understand it more.
going2sleep 1 month ago
@PropheticVindicator ... No. You are a disgusting liar and deceiver. The holy, pure, perfect, and infallible Prophet Muhammad (SAW/Peace be upon him) IS not as you say.
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The TRUTH is that the holy, pure, perfect, and infallible Prophet Muhammad (SAW/Peace be upon him) IS the most honourable, righteous, pious, kind, sincere, handsome, beautiful, pure, intelligent, honest, modest, chaste, and GREATEST creation of Almighty Allah (SWT)!
xtremeownage2 2 weeks ago
Moslems have different hadiths, to go with thier changed Quran, some oslems don't have any hadiths at all... the Quran is clearly changed...
suminvictus 1 month ago
How can a man, a Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) be possessed when he always points to the worship of ONE God. You Christians are crazy.
going2sleep 1 month ago
@going2sleep The issue is not whether God is one. The issue is whether that one god is the right god.
david1057 1 month ago
@david1057 Well Christian God can become a man that has limits. I am not going to a God that is imperfect. Christian God is not the God I worship and the last Prophet came to teach us about.
going2sleep 1 month ago
@going2sleep The Christian God happened to be a perfect man who lived a sinless live. That perfect man also happens to be acknowledge by Islam. Jesus did many miracles in which even involved raising people from the dead. What miracles did Mudhamed ever did?'
He didn't even knew how to read nor write, some prophet!
You follow Islam because they allow allot of wickedness in which people like you like. Islam is a religion of convenience.
david1057 1 month ago
@david1057 No such thing as a perfect man. Men are humans and humans have to sleep, eat, use restroom, don't see all things, don't know everything, have all sorts of limits. It is not just about committing sin. To become fully man and fully God makes an imperfect God with LIMITS. I don't worship that type of God with limits that man has.
going2sleep 1 month ago
@going2sleep You keep forgetting that Jesus was not just any man. He's the only person in history born of a virgin & your religion acknowledges this. Therefore, if he was born of a virgin with no earthly father, from where did Jesus obtained his blood?
Everyone knows that the blood of a born child is obtained from the father, not from the mother. Therefore, Jesus was & is divine Mohamed is not. By your own argument, you shouldn't be following Mohamed who was just an ordinary man.
david1057 1 month ago
@david1057 It is simple just because Jesus was born without a father does not make him divine. Yes, it is a miracle birth but miracles are not used by God to claim created things are divine. Miracles point to the fact that there is a God. That is blasphemous to say God put "blood" inside a human (Mary) to conceive a fully God, fully man person. That is something from Greek Methodology text. I don't believe in God conceiving himself on earth through a pure woman, Mary. That would make Mary a God
going2sleep 1 month ago
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david1057 1 month ago
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@going2sleep Am not sure if you're aware of what your saying or if you know what you're talking about.
"Yes, it is a miracle birth but miracles are not used by God to claim created things are divine"
1st of all, Jesus is not a "created thing". Jesus himself stated that he existed with the Father from the very beginning. Now, let me ask you this. You claim that God is all powerful, I agree with you. But if he's so powerful why can't he sent part of himself to be born of a virgin?
david1057 1 month ago
In addition Jesus made many miracles to proof who he was. He also prophesied many things. All the prophets before Mohamed, came prophesying the coming of Jesus. Mohamed claimed to be a prophet & he die without telling his disciples what his prophesy was. A prophet without prophesy?
david1057 1 month ago
Jesus did many miracles in front of thousands to proof who he was.
But when we look at Mohamed he failed to do any miracles to proof his prophet-hood. He did however told his disciples that he flew from Meca to Jerusalem on a flying donkey in the dark. Unfortunately or conveniently, for Mohamed the donkey was his only witness!
david1057 1 month ago
@david1057 "Sent part of Himself to a virgin." Do you know how ridiculous that sounds. God is all powerful but this Paul doctrine is not what God intended people to believe, the fact that He sent Himself to earth to kill himself for the sin of men that He created. Seriously, it is not the ultimate "sacrifice" it is the ultimate conundrum. We enter the kingdom of heaven by God's mercy not by God killing Himself. That is statement I can take to the grave.
going2sleep 1 month ago
@going2sleep No I don't think it sounds ridiculous at all. The problem is that you're viewing God as a man, therefore limiting his capabilities as a man's capabilities are limited. If we have for instance the substance of water, which God created. Water can be taken from the sea, yet it remains in the sea. If a substance under his creation can do that, why can't the creator?
You don't know about sacrificial love, because you don't know love. To love is to give your live!
david1057 1 month ago
@david1057 I don't view God as a man. That is your belief when you say God is fully God and fully "perfect" man, even though man have limits. Jesus was born, was created, have limits (as described in the Bible), that makes him human, performed miracles by the PERMISSION of God. It is your problem to deal with and make incantations out of until it is accepted by you.God is perfect and above all created things.God forgives by repentance and mercy not to display an imperfection and kill himself.
going2sleep 1 month ago
Of course you view your god as a human, by limiting his capabilities. I don't limit his capabilities, & I do accept that he loved us enough to become one of us, without ceasing to be God. If you can't wrap this around your head, how can you proclaim your god to be all powerful?
All powerful includes things that are outside your human understanding. God coming in the flesh, does not mean that he stopped being God. The antichrist will come also in the flesh, yet being fully satanic.
david1057 1 month ago
@david1057
God has infinite power
Jesus has human limitation
Jesus is not God..
shiromelur 1 month ago 2
@shiromelur
The President of USA is the most powerful man
You are a human with no or very little power in the USA.
The President is not a human?
dealerovski82 1 month ago 2
@dealerovski82
what power?
shiromelur 1 month ago
King James Version- 1611 A.D.
Revised Standard Version- 1952 A.D. Literal translation into American English which used the earliest possible text
New International Version- 1960's & 70's A.D. This is a very good contemporary English version. Another good contemporary English version is New King James Version (NKJV)
The Youngs Literal Translation is as close to the originals as you can get, translated by Robert Young in 189
555season 2 months ago
@555season
bro of course it is not every single line the same, look how language has changed over time. but ask any scholar and he will say no where in history has it been fundamentally changed or corrupted, the textual similarities for them are 99.5%, compared to 95% on homers illiad.
stavvy95 2 months ago
Muhammad was a great pussy sucker :P
ajayitis 2 months ago
mohammed is a prophet ...who told you hes not ...mohammed is the prophet of death and doom and satan
moneyxxxformula 3 months ago
Muhammad helped orphans with a little of the 1/5 of the "booty" that his self-serving alter-ego "Allah" allotted to him. Money he stole from others rather than earned. Just like a Mafia Don spreading his filthy blood money around his neighborhood to those immoral enough to accept it. Or like a politician being "generous" with money confiscated from hard working tax payers. Muhammad's god was Satan himself. The spirit of antichrist blinds his followers to these simple truths.
watch?v=w71CtxLdjio
PeteWaldo 3 months ago
Muhammad's suggestion that it only "appeared" that Christ was crucified is a Gnostic doctrine - Simonianism - that was first penned by Simon the Sorcerer in the first century. It was adopted by the occult cult of the Ebionites. Muhammad received it from his wife Khadijah's cousin Waraqa bin Naufal who was an Ebionite occult priest.
watch?v=DPNr-e2phhs
PeteWaldo 3 months ago
Since there is not a shred of historical or archaeological EVIDENCE that suggests that Mecca ever existed prior to the 4th century AD, Muhammad's cult is exposed as being nothing more than just that. Even an atheist can embrace that simple truth. No Mecca - no Abraham/Hagar - Muhammad's drivel is exposed as a lie and the rituals his followers engage in as nothing more than thinly repackaged Quraish pagan moon, sun, star and jinn-devil worship.
historyofmecca. com
watch?v=Bq8VOZbuu-Q
PeteWaldo 3 months ago
Absolutely nothing in common. Muhammad's alter-ego "Allah" and his followers profess the EXACT OPPOSITE of the WHOLE SUBJECT of the Gospel.
watch?v=cCE_sti-uZc
It's a shame the church can't see that Muhammad is THE false prophet of the book of Revelation.
watch?v=_KtSpB4Id8I
The false prophet.
watch?v=8lEro81ygXQ
PeteWaldo 3 months ago
Five times in Isaiah 14:12-15 does Satan say to himself: "I will..." (X 5) = very proud.5 = the number of death, hence the pentagram. You are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father you will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. - John 8:44 and they deceived and Allah deceived and Allah is the best deceiver. - Sura 3:54.
Chinaculiacan 3 months ago
hi.... I am ashar from Pakistan, thank you David for such speech on this topic awesome but look at the example of Jesus Christ............. bible is based on love of God show them love they are including .... are very badly beaten by Satan show them love and win them for the Lord.
aiibhagtanwala 3 months ago
“Do not call anyone on earth your father; for one is your father; He who is in heaven”
(Matthew 23:9)
salammumin1 5 months ago
You People are commenting on debate that focuses on islam and not christianity. If you want to see a lecture that allows both religions to be scrutinised then watch "watch?v=Xk61hslLHlw" and then you will see how pathetic and the amount of loop holesand inaccuracies you religion really has. From an individual who has memoried both the quarn and all the bible. I really hope you christains someday will open your eyes
warratz 5 months ago
HOLY CRAP, Literally !
artwdog 5 months ago
by denying muhammad you are deny all prophets. it is impossible for a humans hands to become bright. it is impossible for a tree to be lit it is impossible for the sea to split ! I love when people try to disclaim muhammad, because they really have no idea what they are talking about. If any muslim feels threatned please contact me: jazalla25@hotmail.com
everything he is saying is just funny to me, because it is like "gah" alhumduiallah, I can see what he is doing, its crazy....
rrazzaqu 7 months ago
@rrazzaqu
no i am not, jesus said he is the only way, he didnt mention muhammad, he says false prophets will come and change the gospel message..muhammad did just that!! muhammad killed people, muhammad married a 9 year old girl ( he was 54) and he stole his step sons wife zainab
stavvy95 5 months ago
@rrazzaqu Mohammed was no prophet. He was a self-serving bandit and racketeer. Those who follow him are, by definition, indoctrinated, uneducated and ignorant. Even during his own lifetime and countless times since, his supposedly 'miraculous' book has been bettered in every possible way. Its 'guidance' is simply an endless tirade of threats and promises, along with absurd claims to Mohammed's own status. There is no quick fix to such backwardness.
ritchloui 3 months ago
jesus <3
SidTheKid876 8 months ago
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thetruth977 8 months ago
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thetruth977 8 months ago
am i correct in saying that david wood is a friend and colleague of sam shamoun?
and if i am correct than why do they contradict each other? @14:30 david wood claims that muslims believe god took up jesus and replaced him with judas to be crucified yet when sam shamoun debated shabbir ally and it came to the QandA section of the bebate a questioner asked sam if judas was crucified as stated in the quran and sam responded with there is NO such statement in the entire quran that it was judas.
killamindz138 8 months ago
@killamindz138
Notice the difference in your own words. Wood said muslims believe this. Shamoun commented on whether it is stated in the Quran. Those aren't always the same. Muslims believe all kinds of stuff that isn't in the Quran. Even the five prayers aren't mentioned in the Quran and yet Muslims believe in it.
HaecceitasQuidditas 8 months ago
EXCELLENT OPENING OF DAVID WOODS!!!
Ni1234ckA 8 months ago
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Ni1234ckA 8 months ago
... Ezekiel 23:19 "Yet she became more and more promiscuous as she recalled the days of her youth, when she was a prostitute in Egypt. 20: There she lusted after her lovers, whose genitals were like those of donkeys and whose emission was like that of horses. 21: So you longed for the lewdness of your youth, when in Egypt your bosom was caressed and your young breasts fondled" How does the Christians believe this to be the word of god?
sicker57 8 months ago
Never trust man-made doctrines like the bible or quran! Trust only God!!!
nadoeloiskat 8 months ago
another reason alot of christians will find it hard to believe islam is due to this
Galatians 1:8
and the complete galatians can be dated back to about 400 years before your prophet mohammed
rahanonu 9 months ago
@rahanonu ...jerusalem was finally freed. the first mission of the mesiah they are waiting for. in 1948 the state of israel was established. which is the second mission of the mesiah.
now they are waiting to rule the world and they will for a period of time under the rule of the false mesiah, dajjal. but this state of israel is not the same state that was ruled by solomon because solomon ruled by the law of god, the state of israel today is ruled by secular laws...
khalilrabee 9 months ago
@rahanonu what they do not realise or do not want to understand is that they are on the false path, the path of falling into the trap and deceit of this false mesiah who will give them the impression that the prophecy has been fulfilled. but the truth is tht the true mesiah, jesus will come and defeat them, and will free jerusalem, will restore the true kingdom of god and will rule by the law of god. the false mesiah will be killed.
rgarding galatians, thats a letter...
khalilrabee 9 months ago
@rahanonu i dont understand why those letters were included into the bible and considered to be the word of god, while they are the word of a man, called paul who wrote 40 years after jesus and who never saw jesus in his life.
khalilrabee 9 months ago
i dont want to interupt, is there more you want to add because i have some questions, im sure you have some for me aswell
rahanonu 9 months ago
@rahanonu no thats it. go ahead and ask me :)
khalilrabee 9 months ago
@khalilrabee well ive got a couple
1)in the earliest records of christianity we find that jesus apostles believe he was the son of god died on the cross and rose again, how do you reconcile that with the quran
2)if im not mistaken the quran talks about jesus holding the sriptures and approving it, but we have the scriptures that date back to before jesus, which are identical to ours so if they werent acceptable why would jesus approve them
3)and how do you reconcile prophecies such as daniel 7
rahanonu 9 months ago
@rahanonu the qor'an tells us that the ppl of the book have changed the scriptures, they altered the word of god.
for example the qor'an tells that usury was totally forbidden to the children of israel, now if we open bible we will see that it says that it is forbidden for jews to practice usury with jews but not with gentiles. thats not the word of god but the word of man. god totally forbade usury with anyone.
regarding the crucifixion of jesus. the bible says that his diciples fled...
khalilrabee 9 months ago
@rahanonu ...when the romans took jesus, which is a great probability that they havent witnessed the crucifixion. the bible also says that the rabbis were in hurry to crucify him and to take him off the cross firstly because of the crowd who loved jesus, which means that the crowd were afraid of a riot. secondly to take him off fast because of the sabath and their belief that during the sabath no man shall hang on the cross.
khalilrabee 9 months ago
@khalilrabee i havnt seen this in the bible please tell me where to find it, also if the crowd loved jesus why would they free barabus the murderer instead of jesus
rahanonu 9 months ago
@rahanonu the reason why they were in a hurry to take him down from the cross is clearly stated in the bible, it was because of the sabath. but no man dies in 3 hours on a cross, historians and doctors say that it takes at least 2 days to die on a cross.
what im saying is not speculation but the islamic view and the prophecies made by the prophet mohammad. the jews waited for the mesiah who had 3 missions. to free jerusalem, restore the state of israel and rule the world...
khalilrabee 9 months ago
do you understand why any one who isnt a muslim has a hard time believing this since all historical accounts say the opposite, and what youve offered me is just speculation
rahanonu 9 months ago
@rahanonu after world war 1 the islamic empire was finally defeated, why? the qor'an gives the answer. if we obey allah and implement his law he will give us victory, but if we leave it it will happen to us the same thing that happend to the kingdom of israel more than 2000 years ago. he will send another nation to defeat us.
thats exactly what happend. the muslims left more and more of the law, and they were defeated by the colonialists. which means that acording to the jews...
khalilrabee 9 months ago
@rahanonu the bible also says that despite all the miracles jesus has done the disbelieving jews still asked for miracles so jesus told them that he will stay in the belly of the earth for 3 days and 3 nights.
the bible says that they hanged him at the 3rd hour of the day and took him off i think at the 6th or 7th. but a crucified person doesnt die that fast, and the bible says that they didnt break his legs.
khalilrabee 9 months ago
@rahanonu the jews were expecting the mesiah to free jerusalem and to rule the world, not a mesiah who will come and die for sins. so the jews wanted to prove that he wsnt the mesiah and the ultimate way to prove that was by killing him. and no man dies but once, after that he will be resurected in judgement day. but god decreed that jesus is the mesiah who will free jerusalem and rule by gods law which means that he couldnt have died and thats what the qor'an says, he didnt die.
khalilrabee 9 months ago
@rahanonu and the prophet mohammad told us that he will come back and will free jerusalem and he will rule the world by the law of god as was prophecied to david, which means that the prophecy of god can not be defied, because if he decrees something thats what will happen.
jews until this day wait for the mesiah to come. why? because they rejected jesus, and dont believe he was the mesiah. which means that the mesiah they are waiting for is in reality dajjal, the imposter or antichrist
khalilrabee 9 months ago
@rahanonu a false mesiah who will decieve them. jesus, the true mesiah, will come and he will free jerusalem from the hands of this imposter who will be killed by him. and he will rule the world. prophecy fulfilled. see how the story fits perfectly? thats history, christianity is almost mythology.
im not sure what u refer to with daniel 7. which part do u refer to? by the way i read the new revised standard version bible which acording to christian scholars its from the most ancient manuscripts
khalilrabee 9 months ago
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daniel 7, verse 9 to 15
2)if im not mistaken the quran talks about jesus holding the sriptures and approving it, but we have the scriptures that date back to before jesus, which are identical to ours so if they werent acceptable why would jesus approve them
rahanonu 9 months ago
@rahanonu the qor'an says that jesus came and aproved what was revealed by god, not what was added and altered by man. same for mohammad. it says that he was sent and he aproved what was revealed by god, but not what altered by man.
well the only explanation to why were the rabbis in a hurry to crucify him is because jesus had great influence among the crowd. he made many miracles for them, he healed them , gave life to the dead, acording to the bible he fed many ppl with few loaves of bread..
khalilrabee 9 months ago
@khalilrabee sorry but can you give me the surah so i can read it in context please,
also i think its a hadith i may be mistaken, where mohammed takes the scripture from some jews and places it on his cushion saying how good it was, which brings up the same question, if it has been changed so much why would he do that, especially since we have records of scriptures that predate mohammed by 800 years and are identical to ours
rahanonu 9 months ago
@rahanonu what im saying is not entirely in the qor'an most of it is from hadith, i mean regarding the antichrist and jesus' return. they are from hadith.
u can acces a website of hadith and search the key words "black flags of khurasan" "mahdy" "jesus return", "dajjal", "army of 70000 jews" etc. its all hadith and partially qor'an.
khalilrabee 9 months ago
@rahanonu in order to understand what im saying better and in a better order listen to "imran hussein"-s lectures. just search "imran hussein" here on youtube and ull find his lectures regarding israel, jesus, gog and magog, the return of jesus, the mahdy, the army from khorasan...
all of it. he gives the refrences to the hadith and the verses of the qor'an which means that ull understand much better than i can explain. by the way ill add u as friend.
khalilrabee 9 months ago
@khalilrabee
i will definately check it out, but tonight i think me and you are at a stalemate my friend, but may i just say i was great having this conversation with you, honestly you seem to be a very nice person, please make sure you add me as a friend, god bless you brother
rahanonu 9 months ago
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rahanonu 9 months ago
@rahanonu we have much to learn and much to care for. may allah bless us all and guide us to the right path, the path of jesus and not the false mesiah.
by the way. the hadith say that also christians will believe that dajjal is the mesiah, because thats what he will pretend to be. also god will be given him power to cut a man in 2 halves and bring him back to life, and he will have the ability to control weather and bring rain. mostly the ahadith that make refrence to dajal describe very well.
khalilrabee 9 months ago
@rahanonu the systems that govern the world today. actually 1 system. capitalism. the prophet also said that he will have the ability to cause starvation among the ppl. thats exactly what the system is doing today. making the rich richer and making the poor poorer and enslaved.
christians will also take him as god when they will see his power to do those things.
the muslims will be able to escape from his deception. the prophet said that the muslims will be able to see on his forehead written.
khalilrabee 9 months ago
@rahanonu written on his forehead the word "kafara" or "kafer" which means disbliever.
he also described his phisical form, he will be a short man, with curly hair, well built as a man, blind of one eye.
imran hussein says that blind with one eye isnt literaly blind with one eye, but the blindness will be internal blindness. anyway, watch his lectures ull probably be amased.
by the way. the age of a manuscript doesnt prove its authenticity.
khalilrabee 9 months ago
@khalilrabee the quaran was writen 600 yrs after jesus was alive while the bible was written in his presence so what makes you think that the quaran is right?? .. the original quran was burnt and re written
dadondutta 9 months ago
@dadondutta wrong! paul is the earliest writer of the nt who wrote 40 years after jesus. mark was the first of the gospels which was written 60 years after jesus, john is the last which was written 90 years after jesus.
christians have no idea who the writers of the gospels are because the manuscripts have no signiture or dont have any name atributed to them. paul wrote a bunch of letters that were installed into the bible by the church why? because paul is the founder of christianity
khalilrabee 9 months ago
@dadondutta there were other gospels circulating during pauls time and the church did not include them into the bible because they lack the passion. so the church didnt chose to include history into the bible, but biased theology.
u have 4 gospels that contradict each other in key details which means that the qor'an is write, the christians follow only conjecture. we have to learn history before having faith :)
khalilrabee 9 months ago
@khalilrabee please if your goign to say stuff like that proe yourself otherwise your argument is mute and you still didnt nwer my question like david wood said muslims wheneva they have a debate use the two quoe falicy
dadondutta 8 months ago
@khalilrabee you have so many wrong points and yet you think your write i would write down all your mistakes but we'll just go on and on if you want to have a propa debate id gladly meet you anywer and infront of anyone and convert you on the spot by stating facts that you couldnt refute
dadondutta 8 months ago
@dadondutta convert me? how? by opening up my chest and puting blind faith into my heart? :D
khalilrabee 8 months ago
@dadondutta Different christian denominations have different number of books in their Bible, that means Bible is a corrupted bunch of dirty filthy books. The bible itself also says that the scribes have corrupted it!! if it was not corrupted, then all the bible will be unique. The prostitutes are roaming around throughout the bible and the christians shamelessly call it holy scripture. But it is not, it is only a whorey scripture. Christians are all lost, like the losers Sam, Woods.....
kenhargg 8 months ago
@kenhargg your a funny person how can you claim the bible stating the scriptures are corrupted yet you dont back ur stupid comments with quotes .. i can do what you do too .. the quaran was not inspired by god ..its all lies .. muslims are lost.. seee how dumb you look, learn your quaran before you talk to me and have respect for the bible for even in your quran it says to respect the bible and tora as they were from god.. i know more about your religion then you do you fool
dadondutta 8 months ago
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@dadondutta U r trying to become a holy stupid, but that's not gonna save bible from corruption. The protestants have 66 books in their bible, the catholics have 73 books, ethopian orthodox have 81books and the list goes..!!! how come different number of books in the same scripture???!!! The answer is simple; coz of PURE corruption. Why u need that much PROSTITUTES and ALCOHOLISM in a holy scripture??!! The answer is simple; coz of PURE corruption. Quran do not say to respect a PORN BOOK!!
kenhargg 8 months ago 15
@kenhargg loool u sound like a kid i only have debates with adults please stop talking to me you bring up information but you dont back nothing up with facts you stupid boy go praise what you believe stop talking to me you know nothing
dadondutta 8 months ago
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kenhargg 8 months ago
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@dadondutta It is a very good decision that u will debate Bible with only adults. please make sure that those adults are aged 24+. only adults aged 24+ are allowed to read Bible coz that much prostitutes, porn stories and alcoholism are there in Bible. So, please don't debate bible with kids so that they will be misled even at the early stages.
kenhargg 8 months ago
@kenhargg You just did the fallacy that David spoke about. You can't even defend your religion.
Zeikid 7 months ago
@kenhargg
bro u talking rubbish, u calling our book pornographic? muhammad had loads of wives and sex slaves! not to mention a NINE YEAR OLD GIRL! absoloutely disgusting. and the bible is not corrupt, why do muslims say that, research the dead sea scrolls and u will realise that the bible we have today is the same as 2000 years ago! it has been TRANSLATED not changed. if u go against it, your going against historians and archaologists...SNM
stavvy95 5 months ago
@stavvy95 - The Muslims seem to forget that when talking about our book.
MultiArchangel 4 months ago
@stavvy95 Giving false witness is a sin, specially about one of the Almighty's prophets. And no your Bible has not been the same last 2000 years.
While there are a number of versions to the Bible. There are 8 primary versions found in history:
Septuagint - 250 A.D. Written in Greek
Vulgate- 400 A.D. First version of the Bible which is canonized at the Council of Carthage in 400 A.D. Written in Latin
Luther's German Bible- 1534 A.D.
555season 2 months ago
@stavvy95 First you never studied his marriage life with Ayesha. You never read the Quran or the life of the last Prophet. If he was a womanizer why would he have one wife at from ages 25 to 50? This sick society tells us that womanizers start at young age and never end. So you stop lying and start reading more. Bible has been tampered by human hands spreading lies just like yourself.
going2sleep 1 month ago
@going2sleep has the bible really been tampered with? is that why scholars agree that the new testament is the most reliable copies ever, 24,000 copies remain from the 2nd century in which is 99.5% agreement with today.
stavvy95 1 month ago
@stavvy95 Thats not true at all the numbers would be 30% because all other religions deny christianity. Also the protestant do not belief Christianity can be proven but you just have to have faith.
These so called scholars do not even know who the authors are of the bible or when its cannoned and who was authorized to took certain books in the bible and leave other ones out..
Lizzio1980 4 weeks ago
@k You have no idea what ur talking about do u? The Bible is a collection of books.. anyone can bring out a Bible with more books added to it.. but the what u seem not to know or understand is that the 5600+ Greek manuscripts is what form the New Testament of the Bible.. u have absolutely no arguement and no proof of corruption, and ur Muhammad said that no one can corrupt the words of Allah and since the Gospel and Torah are Allah's words they could not have been corrupted or ur Allah is a LIAR
JesusOrMuhammad 5 months ago
@kenhargg
Refreshing to hear this guy telling it as it is!
Mohamed was, without a shadow of a doubt, the greatest FALSE Prophet of all time!!!
rev2214 5 months ago
@rev2214 Yup. That's why when Muslims say that Muhammad is in the Bible I say, "Yeah he is. He is talked about and prophesied in the Bible. Where ever you see warnings/prophesies about FALSE PROPHETS, that's a reference that includes Muhammad." Amen.
Praise the Lord Jesus Christ.
SuperDonster 4 months ago
@kenhargg this is grossly untrue, the majority of denominations have the exact same bible (with the same number of books) the different books called the apocryphal texts are rejected by all but a few denominations. So to paint it as each denomination has different books is simply a lie and not even a good one
solomon4451 1 month ago
@kenhargg All nonsense arguments. The bible may be full of sin and sinners, but that does not make the message theirin unholy. Just as a court may be full of murderers but that doesn't make the judge a murderer. You don't have to understand. As long as the judge does.
chriss179 1 month ago
@kenhargg Furthermore. The oxford dictionary on the word : BIBLE
Origin: Middle English: via Old French from ecclesiastical Latin biblia, from Greek (ta) biblia '(the) books', from biblion 'book', originally a diminutive of biblos 'papyrus, scroll', of Semitic origin
The word means :The book or the books. Or the scriptures. Or the papyrus. Or the scrolls.
If you can't fathom what that means. That means that some denominations hold this or that book for less strong or strong.
chriss179 1 month ago
@kenhargg Or valuable and less valuable.. YOu might not know it. But the hadith has "weak" and "strong" books too..
Actually when a book is discovered it has to be determined how valuable that book is, if it is a fraud or if it is accurate. If i write an additional chapter to the qur'an and put it under a rock in arabia, does the qur'an become corrupted?? is it sufficient if all the church fathers consider it to not be part of the doctrine.. Like for example te gospel of peter.
chriss179 1 month ago
@kenhargg See you give really really REALLY REALLYY!!!!! REAAAAAAAALYYYYYYY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Crappy arguments and i bet your aplauding yourself. But any rational person can see straight thru your folly.
chriss179 1 month ago
@kenhargg sure thanks to Allah, we are Christians!
communismkills1 1 month ago
@dadondutta ha..ha go and read
sicker57 8 months ago
@sicker57 lol good comeback .. blind faith is what you have
dadondutta 8 months ago
@dadondutta i know ..i have listen to many bedates on bible too. i know .infact christhians also know that bible cound not b defended sorry to say.. for oldest bible present is codes sinaiticus. books and chapter r missing from present bible .. and new chapter r present codexsinaiticus(.)org . thats y christhian over the years try stupid tricks to find error or contradictionsl like milky water and moon god and failed thats y even good christian apologetics never endorse it .
sicker57 8 months ago
@sicker57 if christians couldnt defend the bible then why is it a debate .. if it was so clear cut then the debate would be very much one sided ..david used your quaran to refute ali's comments ... their are tons of contradictions n the quran .. the quarans oldest scriptures were burnt and re wrote again by one man and thats why muslims think the quarans neva been changed ova the yrs .. please do your research
dadondutta 8 months ago
@dadondutta tons of contradictions lol .. quran burnt and rewritten ?? u r typical christian u will use lise and stupid trick like sam or david and always get thrash on a debate.. do ur research with open eyes . when people joined isam people recited quran with different pronounciation and written diffect dilect ... so original quran was brought from prophets wife (not wrote again ) which was original and copied .. which was in quresh dilect and rest of with slightest variation was burnt.
sicker57 8 months ago
also, why would one of the prophecies call the messiah mighty god, especially since as you know these are jewish writings
rahanonu 9 months ago
and abrahams religion was the religion of total submition to gods will, no other god beside him. in one word in arabic languege, islam.
islam means to submit to gods will and to no other god because there is no other god except false idols created by the hands of man. islam.
khalilrabee 9 months ago
and believe in jesus for what he was not what u wish him to be, believe him for what he said he was not what the church says he was. and he said that he is a man sent by god, that the miracles he made are not from him but god makes them through him. thats what ur bible says that he said. believe his words not the words of paul or the church.
the qor'an tells us that the way to salvation is to follow the footsteps of the prophet abraham, the true friend of god.
khalilrabee 9 months ago
we do not believe a trinity, because it was not the teaching of any prophet, they all said the same thing "one god" from the first to the last prophet. noone added anything to it. the second thing is that if we look into history we will see that the trinity predates christianity. hindus have trinity, the roman and greek pagans had trinities. the european christians combined the religion of jesus with roman and greek paganism. do not say 3, say 1, it would be better for u.
khalilrabee 9 months ago
the qor'an tells us clearly to believe and love all the prophets who were great men, the best moral examples that one can follow and to not make difference between them. we love jesus, moses, isac, ishmael, jacob, john the baptist and so on as much as we love the prophet mohammad. they all had the same basic message to tell ppl. and that is that there is one god, do not worship anyone except him and do not create partners or asociates for him, meaning idols.
khalilrabee 9 months ago
what do we believe about god? the same thing moses and jesus believed.
they both said "hear o israel the lord our god is one god"
it was revealed to the prophet mohammad in surah 112 "say he is allah! the one and only, the eternal absolute, he does not beget nor is he begotten and there is noone comparable to him".
the qor'an tells us to tell christians not to say 3 but say 1. 1 god, and jesus is not more than a prophet like any other prophet who performed miracles by the permision of god
khalilrabee 9 months ago
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people don't listen to this ignorant guys they don't know nothing , please don't be like them find out for your self , did you know that almost 2 % of the world convert to islam thats just last year, and those guys don't want you to know , have you asked yourself why are they only attacking islam? find out for yourself or dial the 800 number and make a donation !!! if jesus is here now would he allow this ?
think about it
shahin611 9 months ago
that buttom line the throues sunnis she3as killing eachother and they dare to say he christians are kuffar what a bunch of idiots
OUWATZAHLE08 10 months ago
"is this scientificly correct? no!" -says david...
acording to who? to david? why? because david says so...everything he said regarding science in the qor'an and hadith are true including the fly's wings...
missionaries are a bunch of liars and decievers who give some money in one hand and the bible in the other to poor ppl...tfu alekom ya khanazeer ya kaddhaabeen
khalilrabee 10 months ago
@khalilrabee hold on wait a second....... are you claiming that
1. a flies wings have a disease on one wing and a cure on the other, and that dipping it inside your cup will cure you???
2. that the sun sets inside a pool of muddy water??
3. that a baby in the womb first forms bones ???
please answer
rahanonu 9 months ago
@rahanonu about the sun. the qor'an doesnt say that the sun sets in any water. it speaks about a perso called dhul qarnayn and his perspective of where he saw the sun setting. i dont know to hiw many ppl i have to repeat the same thing. google is free.
regarding the fly. just google "fly one wing disease one wing cure" ull find some article saying about a scientific research.
the qor'an doesnt say that the baby first form bones but a clot of blood.
khalilrabee 9 months ago
@khalilrabee thirdly i did type in "fly one wing disease one wing cure" into google and i found nothing to prove what you are claiming, in fact i found out flies carry over 6 million bacteria, so please give me a scientific journal or any scientific website or any of the documents you claim you found online, please just one credible source.
rahanonu 9 months ago
@rahanonu the qor'an doesnt say that sperm is behind ribs, it says that sperm is formed between the ribs and the backbone which is sciwentificly true. read "the bible, the qor'an and science"
just google all those things and ull see that what david wood does is a matter of twisting words.
and u should read the qor'an. especially the sun setting. technicly the sun doesn't set anywhere and its a matter of perspective. which is what the qor'an is saying.
khalilrabee 9 months ago
@khalilrabee firstly sperm is entirely formed within your testicles, the scientific research is not hard to find by the way its called wikipedia.
secondly in regards to the sun setting, if you say the quran says that to this person it looked like this...., thats fine, to my cousin sphegetti looks like worms, but i just cant see how that proves the scientific accurracy of the quran.
rahanonu 9 months ago
@rahanonu theres nothing regarding scientific acuracy in the story of dhul qarnayn and his perspective of the sun set. that is a story of a man, we dont know exactly who he was, he had a journey and saw the sun setting in the water. meaning he saw the reflection of the sun on that water. just like u see the sun "setting" into the sea at the horizon. its a matter of perspective.
regarding sperm the qor'an says between the sulb and thara'eb. i dont really know what these words mean.
khalilrabee 9 months ago
@rahanonu sometimes the translation of some words into other langueges might not be correct, jamal badawy says that they dont mean backbone and ribs. and im not really into the scientific claims of the qor'an.
for me and many arabs the languege of the qor'an is more than enough to prove that its from god.
regarding sperm, i dont really know what the qor'an is saying because i dont know what those words actually means but ill look into "lisan al'arab" to see what the ancient arabs meant by them
khalilrabee 9 months ago
@khalilrabee well then dont you dare call this man a liar if you dont even understand what some of the words mean.
rahanonu 9 months ago
@rahanonu i dare call him a liar because he knows that this is not the acurate meaning of the words. and yet he uses them. dont worry. its not the first debate i watch with dave wood, and im more than familiar with his decieving tactics.
ill send u a private message regarding the fly.
khalilrabee 9 months ago
@khalilrabee you said and i quote
' the qor'an doesnt say that sperm is behind ribs, it says that sperm is formed between the ribs and the backbone which is sciwentificly true. read "the bible, the qor'an and science"
then when confronted with scientific evidence you said
"regarding sperm, i dont really know what the qor'an is saying because i dont know what those words actually means but ill look into "lisan al'arab" to see what the ancient arabs meant by them"
so you tell me who the liar is
rahanonu 9 months ago
@rahanonu making a mistake doesnt mean liar. yes i did say that and i looked for it and ive found some words of jamal badawy who was having a debate with the same david wood and told him that sulb and thara'eb dont mean backbone and mans ribs. when i said that the first time i didnt know this i used a translation.
thats it. i dont know exactly what the qor'an is saying about sperm. and thats it.
but david wood knows very well that this tranbslation is not acurate and he still uses it.
khalilrabee 9 months ago
@khalilrabee hold on for a second you said
1)"acording to who? to david? why? because david says so...everything he said regarding science in the qor'an and hadith are true including the fly's wings..."
2)the qor'an doesnt say that sperm is behind ribs, it says that sperm is formed between the ribs and the backbone which is sciwentificly true. read "the bible, the qor'an and science"
3)thats it. i dont know exactly what the qor'an is saying about sperm. and thats it.
rahanonu 9 months ago
@khalilrabee so either your a liar, in which case there's no point having a debate with you, or you don't know what your talking about, in which case there's still no point having a debate with you
rahanonu 9 months ago
@rahanonu as i said im not really into the scientific claims of the qor'an but there are guys who provided evidence regarding the sperm produced between the ribs and the backbone. and thats why i said the first time that its true. regarding the fly i sent u the link.
now ive checked again for the sperm production and jamal badawy says that the words havent been translated properly.
and again making a mistake doesnt mean lying. and pls check the link regardong the fly and comment on that
khalilrabee 9 months ago
@khalilrabee even if your not lying, and how would i kno by the way if you were or weren't, it just means that you dont know what your talking about, in which case its pointless having a debate with you. Im not trying to be rude, but you have to see it from my perspective you say something, then you say something else, then you say something else, then you admit you dont really understand it, do you see the issue i would have with believing you. p.s. please message me the link for the fly again
rahanonu 9 months ago
@rahanonu ive already explained why i made the contradiction. what else is there to say?
khalilrabee 9 months ago
@khalilrabee you also said
"now ive checked again for the sperm production and jamal badawy says that the words havent been translated properly."
so then tell me what the CORRECTLY translated words say
rahanonu 9 months ago
@khalilrabee the last comment im gonna say to you is when you get tired of having to scramble and search for all these answers in your religion and you want real peace, im not talking about quietness, im talking about real peace in your soul, and knowing what you believe is true and that god has truly forgiven you for your sins, pick up a bible. God bless you my brother.
rahanonu 9 months ago
@rahanonu peace and forgiveness by picking up a bible? only picking it up? cause ive read parts of it and i can say that its not much of peace in it and it contains many strange things about god. for example not knowing what he was creating, or inability to see what humans were doing, or jacob wrestling with him and bating him.
i dont want forgiveness for such a god, i want forgiveness from the god who is the one, eternal absolute and theres noone like him. the one who sees all and knows all
khalilrabee 9 months ago
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rahanonu 9 months ago
@khalilrabee lol, i know i said that was going to be my last comment but i guess i have to respond. let me ask you a question, i don't want you to just give me quick answer i want you to consider it really think about it and the consequences for your life e.g the relationship with your family members and friends and country men.if everything you believed concerning islam turned out to be a lie, if your whole religion and way of life turned out to be lie, would you really want to know?
rahanonu 9 months ago
@rahanonu u know. the arabs have a saying "if we would plant [the word] 'if' [the phrase] 'ow how i wish' would grow"...
what does this mean? that saying "if" is totally useless most times.
and what would the alternative be? christianity? well i would tell god that i didnt believe more nor less than what the bible says in general about him, i believe in the prophets, i believe in jesus as a man sent and aproved by god just like the bible says"
but let me ask u. if u are wrong and u meet god..
khalilrabee 9 months ago
@khalilrabee brother you didn't answer my question. But let me answer yours first anyway. If i am wrong about my faith about how God wants me to worship him then i want to know, because everything in this world, family, friends EVERYTHING is worthless without true knowledge and worship God. If i die i cannot get a second chance not to be eternally damned to hell, so with every inch of my being i would want to know.
rahanonu 9 months ago
@rahanonu and god will ask u "how could u believe that i almighty god became a baby that came our of a vagina? how could u believe a book to be the word of god while that book says that i roar like a beast, a bear, a dog, that fire comes out of my nose, that i cant see, i forget things, jacob beats me and i beg him to let me go etc.? how?"
i think ur the one who would be in trouble not me.
khalilrabee 9 months ago
@khalilrabee and WHEN god asks why did you underestimate him so much that you couldnt believe it was in his power to become a man, that he didnt have the ability to live amoung his own creations, you will have no answer for him and in your heart you will know you are guilty.
rahanonu 9 months ago
@rahanonu underestimate him? well i would tell him that the bible doesnt say that god became a man.
i would also tell him that i believed god was almighty and eternal and couldnt ever be a mortal man.
let me ask u simply. do u believe that god was beaten by jacob? answer simply yes or no.
khalilrabee 9 months ago
@khalilrabee why do you feel yo need to lie go online and READ
(Genesis 32:24-30). and you tell me whether it says the LORD lost to jacob
rahanonu 9 months ago
@rahanonu i dont need to lie, ive read that part of th bile and thats what it says. that jacob wrestled with god and jacob has beaten him and he was holding him while god was begging him to let him go.
and even if he didnt lose!!!! how could u believe that jacob wrestled with god? answer the question simply. do u believe that jacob wrestled with god? almighty god wrestling with his creature, which compared to him is smaller than an atom for gods sake! how could u believe such an absurdity?
khalilrabee 9 months ago
@khalilrabee
Isaiah 9:5 go online and READ the same book of Isaiah found in the dead sea scrolls dated back to 800 years before your prophet
rahanonu 9 months ago
@rahanonu it doesnt matter when were the dead sea scrolls were written as long as they are wrong. date is not the issue here. the concepts are the issue. god roaring like a beast? u believe that?
u believe that the great prophet abraham sold his wife twice???? a prophet of god? and god aproved that?
u believe these absurdities?
answer my question. do u believe that jacob wrestled with god and god begged him to let him go because the sun was starting to shine? u believe that?
khalilrabee 9 months ago
@khalilrabee
Isaiah 53:5 READ
rahanonu 9 months ago
@rahanonu be honest and answer the questions with simple yes or no.
u believe god needs a rainbow in order to remember his promise to noah?
u said that u want the truth. the qor'an is the truth and it says "nothing can be hidden from him".
and it says "allah knows what is within the hearts" not what ur bible says about him, that he forgets things, he contradicts himself. thats not the truth and u can have 1 million sea srolls as long as they say the same shameful things about god and prophets
khalilrabee 9 months ago