the true warrior knows that only through practicing all styles, especially those which make them most uncomfortable can they learn the universal truth. that when you become comfortable with every aspect of what you are doing, style is no longer important. example: gymnasts out perform most athletes at their chosen sport. because they know how to move.
As Bruce Lee said ,,, Boards don't hit back, the teacher teaching his xingyi looks cool but in a real struggle it woul be as different story I think, depending on who he is up against,someone who will actually move when he feels like moving and not when told.
the Beng fist at 1:14 is straightup beautiful, I keep on rewinding to that part to watch it over and over. It's an excellent demonstration of internal power, transferring the body's momentum from the rear leg all the way to the striking hand in a split second. This sifu has really good kungfu, the students are lucky to study under him.
@PrsFenderJackson1980 Ba Gua is the loopy curly circular one. Hsing Yi is the more spear-like straight forward offensive looking one. There is a great clip on youtube from The One of two different Jet Li's practicing, one doing Ba Gua and one Hsing Yi. In that clip it is very obvious which is which.
This is a good teacher who has a lot of patience for the students. That group had so little co-ordination and seem a little hard-headed - definitely kudos to the Sifu.
All martail arts are good,never there is a best style. Its totally up to the person he himslef. And if he wins or lose,its never the style that wins or lose,its he himself again. His effort and hardwork paid off thats all nothing more. Even the "best" can and will lose 1 day,e.g. the shaolin monks. Its anybodies game
This teacher is very talented and these students are incredibly lucky to have him. My own Taiji Sifu knows Taijiquan and Baguazhang. This teacher shows the same level of skill, it's phenominal!
These students are really lucky to have an authentic teacher that knows *all* 3 of the internal arts at once. Best of all, he teaches the self defence application of these arts. Only wish someone like him is here in Australia.. :(
On the leg trap they do around 3:00, we do leg traps in Hapkido but I was taught that you want to move closer in because if you catch it out at the foot, you're encountering the maximum force. Closer in = less of the kick's energy. I'm curious on a Xing Yi practioner's reaction.
@technonaut31337 - since it's a front kick, moving circularly to the side nullifies all the force and you get excellent leverage by intercepting the foot (notice that while wraping the foot, you should apply pressure to the back of the knee with your shoulder - 3:03) so, actually you do move closer in, but you begin on the outer range,
If I have a talented kung fu man vs a non-talented mma fighter. The kung fu man is gonna win if he knows full contact. Conversely a talented tae kwan do fighter vs a non-talented kempo man. Tae Kwan Do wins. Style is really irrelevent after a point. What matters is if a person understands how to utilize their style in a fight against another human being. All styles have something if only one thing to give to an intelligent warrior!
@unjedi7 AMEN...everyone needs to just get along...all styles have something to offer, whether it's an internal or external application, all styles have something to give
@unjedi7 I would just like to thank you for making the most intelligent comment I've ever read. It's really nice to see that there are some people out there that have a proper understanding of martial arts, instead of everyone seeing something they haven;t before and saying "you suck bleep bleep!" or "That technique is crap/wrong" so thank you unjedi7. Also great looking teaching btw!! Very lucky students to work with someone so knowledgeable
give a look to a Kimbo fight and think how can a man apply this moves to beat him?
in a real fight you got to know that even if you win, tou receive some punch, so you've to train yourself with a full contact. i think kungfu is good and pretty theory but not good x practice
I think that you are correct on the fact that you have to train for full contact, but Kung Fu is a thousands year old system of fighting. Many of these martial arts seem phony and soft and sweet, because they are not trained the same way as in olden times. They were trained with philosophy with qi gong and other things not just running through techs for a few hours a week. There is also a diff between a talented fighter vs talented fighter and non talented vs talented.
depends on the boxer and the martial artist. i boxed for 9 years and get whipped by my tai chi teacher. he sticks to my hands or locks me and thats boxing out the window. Unfortunately its the kind of thing that has to be "felt" rather than viewed.
Wow! I had to visit the website after seeing this video. Master Yang is flat-out amazing. So much variation being force fed to students. This really showed to me the monstrous difference a good teacher can make. I've been tinkering with the CWZ Chen book now for about 6 months. Thanks for sharing. I like the way evolves the next counter according to vulnerabilities in the particular execution of the attacking student.
I can't believe people are nit picking these videos. While the the students may be of varying levels clearly what's being taught is very good and the instructor is quite obviously a pretty high level practitioner.
its funny how some of the responses seem to generalize the entire art form based on a 7min 50sec video, but i'm sure they know what they're talking about. lol
It seems like a rapid-striking system such as American Kenpo would give this system a little bit of difficulty, since blocks aren't stressed as much as redirects. A kenpoist doesn't really follow through on strikes like a boxer would.
It's a lot harder to redirect a backfist than a right cross, but that's just my opinion.
Remember this is one video from one teacher. These styles are not nearly as defensive as they're often portrayed. And it's usually considered favorable to take a hit or two in order to get into a position to control/destroy the opponent's center, provided those hits aren't to vital areas (which generally remain covered during the execution of a technique). Again, I'm speaking generally and can only speak from my experience.
What makes you believe that this is the only way we train? What you see here is a FEW applications of a FEW concepts... not the full curriculum. Besides, the video is call Xingyi vs. BAGUA, not vs. American Kempo, so your comment seem funny.
A lot of effective martial arts exists in this world. And from my "wing Chun" viewpoint i can see these arts like Bagua, Xing Yi and Tai chi can be very effective. But most of the technics displayed in this vid are counters against streched arms. In my wing Chun style(Wan kam Leung) we don't strech our arms. Id like to see what kind of technics the above styles uses against non-streched arms.(Manipulating the arm is ofcours one way to deal with them)Kind kungfu regards from the Netherlands!
You raise an interesting point there. I think that using bent arms could definitely help counter some of the techniques, but more close-range traps and throws would become more potentially effective at the same time.
In the Xing Yi that I'm learning right now, the punches are not streched,at least the ones I learned up until now. For example the crushing fist,which is a straight punch like the basic one wing chun uses;is finished when it is like parallel to the ground when hitting the mid section.That is how we practice the form, I'm new and I don't know how it looks when hitting the face with it, but the drilling fist which goes to the face in the form is not stretched either.Shortest punches I've ever seen
Sounds interesting.. im still not at that level of Practical Wing Chun that i can say that i can look further to other Martial Arts styles like Bagua or Xing Yi :D ( is till have to make PWC my own)
Can you give me a link or something where i can watch a video where for example the crushing fist or drilling fist are shown?
My teacher does not have a video, and different lineages seem to do it in different ways. But I think Master Hai Yang, the instructor here, is great; you can take a look at his 5 elements form, the video which you can probably see on the right "Xing Yi Quan ( Hsing-I, 河北形意拳 ) 5 Elements and Linking form". It goes over the elements as it is done in his system. Order is Splitting (metal), Drilling (water), Crushing (wood), Pounding (fire), Crossing (earth).
He does the elements a little different than how I learned up until now. And that video is a little fast perhaps and I can't catch all the details (clothes are also a reason). But I observe that he also does not strecth the arms fully.
In this video with students, students sometimes stretch sometimes not, it's not an issue to take serious in this video I think.
But in many other videos,I have seen instructors doing the fists with almost completely strecthed arms,it seems it varies wth lineages
the reason for the stretching of the arms is that in the beginning of hebei xingyi training you are taught to extend as far as you can to get the full range of motion and force. This should be done with the correct bend in the elbow etc, but when people are learning to do it it is difficult to get it perfect. It requires time to get the arms and legs bowed correctly. :D
I'm learning Hebei style, and am very very very new at it:) And we had started the elements by doing them as they normally should be done in our system, we did not stretch the arms to full range bacause of me being a beginner, and still do not. Perhaps the way I am being taught is different than your system. (But you also say "correct bend in the elbow", bent elbow means it is not stretched to full range, so I do not fully understand what you mean)
What I mean by that is that the arm is reached out from the body as far as it can go, but not that the elbow is locked out.
Generally hebei style reaches the arm by using the body and tries to extend it as much as possible without locking the elbows. Keep in mind that one of xingyi's main rules is to bow the elbows, back, knees etc.. so locking elbows is a no no, but extending the arms is important. There is a difference. Some hebei branches have compact posture too, but not ours.
By the way, people were not talking about how to train in the beginning but were discussing about how it is normally being done. And as much as I can see in his 5 elements video, Master Yang does not stretch his hands to full range either. At least in crushing he does not, his angle is similar to what I learned, bu I cannot clearly see cannon.
So I suppose what you explained means you're teaching with full range first, and then going to short range... A new insight to me..:)
Btw maybe the most important reason for that is to keep the energy connection of your fist with your dan tien..
In the wing chun styles I've seen, and the one I tried (EBMAS), all uses straight punhes with stretched arms. I never saw the opposite. I guess PWC is the name of your organization. I would like to see it someday... You also gave me an interesing information, thanks.
Hi , No PWC stands for Practical Wing Chun, i train under the UCT organisation lead by Sifu Benno Westra. His sifu is(since 2007) Sifu Wan Kam Leung, one of the first senior students of Sifu Wong Shun Leung( check youtube or google if you want to gather more information :D).
for now,Im going to check the vids on the right side that u suggested :D
great teaching, fast paced, and soft yet darting small pressures of intense jing power, unfulfilled. We can't kill our sparring partners, but this is great speed wise. In a real fight it is fast, and you don't have tiome to think. you must just feel the moment and all the various combinations available is not logical, just intuited.
Well.... You may not use textbook symbolic logic during a fight process, but that doesn't make it "not logical". However, I agree that what we properly use in a fight are not abstract syllogisms from logic textbooks or other such. We do use a kind of "logic" however. It is just that we don't have a fast and accurate way to represent it to ourselves in a second-order and symbolic way during the process of applying it, hence, we rely upon our intuitive judgement.
Seems like a good system for streetfighting already, but maybe the master should let his students try their intuition out, so they learn to trust and work with it, which would be essential in a self defence situation.
I thought that xing yi, ba gua and tai chi were internal styles? i for one study them but this looks way to external to be traditional. Yet still better than alot of crap out there.
Well as you say It looks external, this is an application of the Nei Jia. Its the fighting form. Any type of hand to hand combat looks to be external but in the internals there is more than what you can merely see.
this is excellent stuff. it shows how to counter a counter. most martial arts instructions given these days are to try to finish your opponent with the first counter blow, which ofcourse doesnt work well against others who knows how to fight.
Spot on mate, im so over all these crappy styles around that just throw random movements with no meaning. i currently study an internal styke which is as traditional as they come. its based on xing yi ba gua and tai chi with also crane principles. The style is pretty much based on body mechanics and more of the science behind fighting, where size is no matter, and u learn to naturally adapt so u stuff up a block it rolls into the next and next and so on but all so relaxed.
O god... dont screw up your chi gung when using that please...It can cause illness and in some cases mild insanity...Bruse Kumar Frantiz did that too and look at him now...
no need for excessive power, they are both internal styles. angles, footwork, leverage and the mechanics of the body are used rather than brute strength like external martial arts
angles, footwork, leverage, body mechanics... are NOT exclusive to "internal" styles. And few "external" styles are proponents of "brute strength".
The elusive Qi is also practiced in many if not most external styles. That's not to say there's no differences.
it is also interesting that many martial art historians noted that the split between "internal" and "external" styles happened very recently, late Qing Dynasty or during the Republic era.
yan xin qi gong is follow the heart meditation... I learned it in Buffalo, New York originally. One of the books I would recommend is Shen Diao Xia Lu... by Jin Yong. English translation is Divine Eagle, Gallant Knight
I do "yan xin qi gong" a lot, and it helps with my running, jumping, and physical endurance... I've been able to sprint 100 meters so much faster as a result of practicing chi gong... and I envision myself a soaring eagle when I run...
Yan Xin Qi Gong is not much relation with Kung-Fu. This kind of Qi-Gong is called be "Jing-Gong", means Still Practice, and Qing Gong of Kung-Fu is called be "Dong-Gong", means Moving Practice. Stricktly, I'd rather say Yan Xin Qi Gong is a kind a religion, and just as you know, as a kind of religion, fewer or more, there are always lies in it. So, no recommend.
So instead of at around 5:30 AM, I was there at about 6:30 AM... So, I was caught by Mitch... a disciple of Kenneth J. Fish... We started talking about my meditation, tai chi quan, and Buddhist philosophy, and found that we were pretty "心头意和"...
Yesterday morning, I climbed up to the roof of the Dufief Elementary School to practice "沿心气功和太极拳" i.e. Tai Chi and "Follow Thy Heart Meditation"... Except I had slept last morning from in the night before, and was up on the roof a little later than usual, much after the break of dawn, or at the birds' first cry...
My "yuan fen" or luck / perhaps a little fate with kung fu is a little mysterious... Kenneth J. Fish is the son-in-law of Zhang Junfeng (1902-1974) (video on youtube provided by Kenneth J. Fish, search Zhang Junfeng)
I recently heard of a master in Gaithersburg Maryland called Kenneth J. Fish... Anybody know about this guy? I'm still wondering I should try to learn tai chi quan with him... I've been doing some "yan xin qi gong" and intro tai chi quan myself... But it's totally amateur and unguided...
Hsingi is the deadliest art in history. My brother is 3rd degree and was student of Mike Patterson. My brother took out 8 mexicans who jumped him in Mexico. He was left laughing at them.
No it is not important. I was only curious. However I know that bagua has thousands of moves. It would be to overwhelming for me to do both thoroughly.
Do you think wushu is useful? Wushu was created by the communist party, after 10 years of almost destroying all martial arts in china. Most of the real masters of china ran away or was killed in the cultural revolution. The only people who don't seem to know this are ignorant people who lived in a propaganda controled country. This is a fact!
I don't know why you're taking this so seriously. I've seen in just 50 years a MA style can change dramatically, so if for hundreds of years. We can safely say that jap and korean styles are a style of their own. you teach me to walk, but you can't dance like me. simply
all this negativity. well in the other comments I actually mentioned that this is a good teacher. and i'm happy that more real chinese teachers are coming instead of useless wannabe teachers.
if your reading this you can't stop. I'm mary, i'm 15. i have long black hair, no nose, black eyes, and a white dress. if you don't send this to 5 video comments in 5 minits i will come stand next to your bed with a knife and kill you. if you do i will come give you a prize.
You're a very imaginative person. Too many lonely nights I suspect haha. This is my last comment. Hongkong, Macau, and TAIWAN were not involved in the cultural revolution. This is not an attack on your nation. One generation of communism and it creates people like you. Idiotic. Bye bye and have fun living a lie.
The cleverest way to fight with others is using less force to counter a stronger force. That's what the Tai Chi is all about~ Fight hard with hard is stupid~ And that what Koreans and Japanese always do~
Well japanese are one considered the ultimate warrior society in asia. It refelts on their culture. Secondly korean are in constant war, so they are more practical in their form.
come on...every smart person would have realized that it is not in the martial art form that makes you the better fighter, it's the skill of the fighter that will win. A good shifu could beat a bad karateka, a good karateka could beat a bad shifu.
In essence you are correct, but not all systems are created equal. After forty years of doing external and twenty doing internal, I am of the opinion that the internal systems give one a better platform to fight from.
internal and external exists in any coherent system. Perhaps you didnt stick with the external arts enough to learn the internal aspects. External only, leads to limited power, internal only, leads to you breaking your wrist on your opponents body.
Well, that is true only to some extent. Of course everybody should be familiar with simple exercises, punches, kicks and so on, but if you practise (also external) qi gong as well as "internal" punches this should be sufficient for self self defense all in all.
with all due resepect to other styles, ive seen kung fu in several forms, in action, karate, hapkido etc are all beautiful forms and all have a legitimate place in the martial world. Those who think kung fu does not, simply have not seen true kung fu. This does not mean to insult those people, only to make them aware of what they have not been able to find. trust me its out there.
I dislike chinese martial arts. They give people a false sence of safety. This guy can fight though. But I can garentee almost everybody I know who learnt this stuff can't defend themselves. I think combat judo, hapkido etc are the way to go with defence
I don't believe it has anything to do with the style. Much more with how it is trained. The styles you mention contain freestyle sparring, it is the only way to really learn to apply the techniques in the style. IMHO.
You are totally stupid~ All the Asian martial arts derived from Chinese kung fu including Tai Chi, Wudang, Shaolin, and some other forms of martial arts~ If Chinese martial arts does not work, others won't work either~ By the way, you are stupid!
the true warrior knows that only through practicing all styles, especially those which make them most uncomfortable can they learn the universal truth. that when you become comfortable with every aspect of what you are doing, style is no longer important. example: gymnasts out perform most athletes at their chosen sport. because they know how to move.
MrCaptainswank 2 months ago
As Bruce Lee said ,,, Boards don't hit back, the teacher teaching his xingyi looks cool but in a real struggle it woul be as different story I think, depending on who he is up against,someone who will actually move when he feels like moving and not when told.
67Elixir 3 months ago in playlist Lista
I wish his practitioners weren't mostly idiots.
lnoagkois 5 months ago
@lnoagkois Takes one to know one, I guess. lol.
Juan0003 4 months ago
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dellarias001 4 months ago
高手！
777zhimei 10 months ago
You are very inspiring to me. Thx for showing your arts.
SwamiOrchestra 1 year ago
the teacher was so cool
samujess 1 year ago
the Beng fist at 1:14 is straightup beautiful, I keep on rewinding to that part to watch it over and over. It's an excellent demonstration of internal power, transferring the body's momentum from the rear leg all the way to the striking hand in a split second. This sifu has really good kungfu, the students are lucky to study under him.
BreakfastShark 1 year ago
Whose doing Ba Gua and Whose doing Hsing Yi?
PrsFenderJackson1980 1 year ago
@PrsFenderJackson1980 Ba Gua is the loopy curly circular one. Hsing Yi is the more spear-like straight forward offensive looking one. There is a great clip on youtube from The One of two different Jet Li's practicing, one doing Ba Gua and one Hsing Yi. In that clip it is very obvious which is which.
eutheria 1 year ago
This is a good teacher who has a lot of patience for the students. That group had so little co-ordination and seem a little hard-headed - definitely kudos to the Sifu.
dannysees 1 year ago
Remember I was here.Thai
universetechnique 1 year ago
All martail arts are good,never there is a best style. Its totally up to the person he himslef. And if he wins or lose,its never the style that wins or lose,its he himself again. His effort and hardwork paid off thats all nothing more. Even the "best" can and will lose 1 day,e.g. the shaolin monks. Its anybodies game
MechPhantom 1 year ago
GOOD !!!
cellarjudge 1 year ago
i like it a lot, so energetic and good technique
lonegroable 1 year ago
This teacher is very talented and these students are incredibly lucky to have him. My own Taiji Sifu knows Taijiquan and Baguazhang. This teacher shows the same level of skill, it's phenominal!
Jonnyeth 1 year ago
sweet moves, good smooth technique. Practical, yet utilizing years of skill training. Good power generation. footwork is on point!
parena9090 1 year ago
These students are really lucky to have an authentic teacher that knows *all* 3 of the internal arts at once. Best of all, he teaches the self defence application of these arts. Only wish someone like him is here in Australia.. :(
bigfatdick5000 1 year ago
They ought to do this with equipment on so they can really hit each other in the drills. What good is being conditioned to ALMOST hitting someone.
anastamotic 2 years ago
On the leg trap they do around 3:00, we do leg traps in Hapkido but I was taught that you want to move closer in because if you catch it out at the foot, you're encountering the maximum force. Closer in = less of the kick's energy. I'm curious on a Xing Yi practioner's reaction.
technonaut31337 2 years ago
@technonaut31337 - since it's a front kick, moving circularly to the side nullifies all the force and you get excellent leverage by intercepting the foot (notice that while wraping the foot, you should apply pressure to the back of the knee with your shoulder - 3:03) so, actually you do move closer in, but you begin on the outer range,
RonnySayfan 2 years ago
HK or Taiwan??? Oh yes, where th3 r34l internal martial arts went when the bad commies took power! LMAO
Juan0003 2 years ago
look fantastic
mozill865 2 years ago
all martial arts are dangerous and efective because for that were made
TheChipendale 2 years ago 2
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LuisRamirez666 2 years ago
Hi... im going to usa to train Wing Chun... what other style should i train ?
LuisRamirez666 2 years ago
you dont NEED to train in lots of styles. just 1 and whatever suits you best, committ to it fully.
stevieb8006 2 years ago 3
first learn the way and then find your own way
SeriousSam505 2 years ago 2
exactly
stevieb8006 2 years ago
Don't come to USA for wing chun.. go to china.
Aheyne 2 years ago
no... go to HK or Taiwan...
smallkiss 2 years ago 4
thats right
michael60716 2 years ago
If I have a talented kung fu man vs a non-talented mma fighter. The kung fu man is gonna win if he knows full contact. Conversely a talented tae kwan do fighter vs a non-talented kempo man. Tae Kwan Do wins. Style is really irrelevent after a point. What matters is if a person understands how to utilize their style in a fight against another human being. All styles have something if only one thing to give to an intelligent warrior!
unjedi7 2 years ago 32
well said.
1970mjk 2 years ago
@unjedi7 AMEN...everyone needs to just get along...all styles have something to offer, whether it's an internal or external application, all styles have something to give
bryantuten 1 year ago
@unjedi7 I would just like to thank you for making the most intelligent comment I've ever read. It's really nice to see that there are some people out there that have a proper understanding of martial arts, instead of everyone seeing something they haven;t before and saying "you suck bleep bleep!" or "That technique is crap/wrong" so thank you unjedi7. Also great looking teaching btw!! Very lucky students to work with someone so knowledgeable
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Wakingheart 5 months ago in playlist baguazhang
give a look to a Kimbo fight and think how can a man apply this moves to beat him?
in a real fight you got to know that even if you win, tou receive some punch, so you've to train yourself with a full contact. i think kungfu is good and pretty theory but not good x practice
ilvalla75 2 years ago
a lot can be done and undone watching videos. you haven't answered the question. are you a boxer?
Juan0003 2 years ago
yes i'm a thay boxer since i was 19. now i'm 34 and once a year me and friend go training in thailand.
ilvalla75 2 years ago
Wonderful! Too bad that in 15 years, none of your teachers taught you how to spell it right.
Juan0003 2 years ago
my other friend who i sparred used muay boran. btw
cfG21 2 years ago
I think that you are correct on the fact that you have to train for full contact, but Kung Fu is a thousands year old system of fighting. Many of these martial arts seem phony and soft and sweet, because they are not trained the same way as in olden times. They were trained with philosophy with qi gong and other things not just running through techs for a few hours a week. There is also a diff between a talented fighter vs talented fighter and non talented vs talented.
unjedi7 2 years ago
funny how i beat to greco roman wrestlers (who are my good friends) using mantis,taji, and hung.i think people talk to much online.
cfG21 2 years ago
in a real fight you need focus in your enemy or opponent , then focus on his attacks to get a strategy
SeriousSam505 2 years ago
Beautiful techniques. The contrast between the students and the teacher really shows how to effectively apply leverage.
ShuriLeopard 2 years ago
@ShuriLeopard i have a question does shorin ryus footwork come from bagua?
NahaShuriTomari 11 months ago
what happen in a real fight? your selfdefence won't protect you by a boxer
ilvalla75 2 years ago
Are you a boxer ilvalla75?
Juan0003 2 years ago
depends on the boxer and the martial artist. i boxed for 9 years and get whipped by my tai chi teacher. he sticks to my hands or locks me and thats boxing out the window. Unfortunately its the kind of thing that has to be "felt" rather than viewed.
stevieb8006 2 years ago 3
this martial arts also look fantastic
YipManneke 2 years ago
Wow! I had to visit the website after seeing this video. Master Yang is flat-out amazing. So much variation being force fed to students. This really showed to me the monstrous difference a good teacher can make. I've been tinkering with the CWZ Chen book now for about 6 months. Thanks for sharing. I like the way evolves the next counter according to vulnerabilities in the particular execution of the attacking student.
epheseus 2 years ago
Wow you guys are lucky -- your teacher knows his stuff!
Aheyne 2 years ago 3
sorry, this is coming from a Tai Chi Praying Mantis/Wing Chun practitioner...
Which one is Xing Yi and which one is Ba Gua?
Please reply and thanks!
DJFistOfCurry 2 years ago
Generally speaking, I believe the direct techniques are Xing Yi while the circling techniques are Ba Gua.
ShuriLeopard 2 years ago
Very good I wish I had opportunity to train with such a master.
tonso9 2 years ago 3
from 6:00 it gets amazing. That application is just beatiful
lordtains 2 years ago
I can't believe people are nit picking these videos. While the the students may be of varying levels clearly what's being taught is very good and the instructor is quite obviously a pretty high level practitioner.
zachariahz 2 years ago 3
A lot of people have things to prove while staying anonymous. ¬_¬
Juan0003 2 years ago
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smb3369 2 years ago
talk is cheap just like the internet, be like water and get out there and test.
dboycap 2 years ago
good video, nice examples.
its funny how some of the responses seem to generalize the entire art form based on a 7min 50sec video, but i'm sure they know what they're talking about. lol
b1hawaiian 2 years ago
It seems like a rapid-striking system such as American Kenpo would give this system a little bit of difficulty, since blocks aren't stressed as much as redirects. A kenpoist doesn't really follow through on strikes like a boxer would.
It's a lot harder to redirect a backfist than a right cross, but that's just my opinion.
Piklethedoodad 2 years ago
good point.
Jxr3r 2 years ago
Remember this is one video from one teacher. These styles are not nearly as defensive as they're often portrayed. And it's usually considered favorable to take a hit or two in order to get into a position to control/destroy the opponent's center, provided those hits aren't to vital areas (which generally remain covered during the execution of a technique). Again, I'm speaking generally and can only speak from my experience.
theMAG101 2 years ago
What makes you believe that this is the only way we train? What you see here is a FEW applications of a FEW concepts... not the full curriculum. Besides, the video is call Xingyi vs. BAGUA, not vs. American Kempo, so your comment seem funny.
Juan0003 2 years ago
A lot of effective martial arts exists in this world. And from my "wing Chun" viewpoint i can see these arts like Bagua, Xing Yi and Tai chi can be very effective. But most of the technics displayed in this vid are counters against streched arms. In my wing Chun style(Wan kam Leung) we don't strech our arms. Id like to see what kind of technics the above styles uses against non-streched arms.(Manipulating the arm is ofcours one way to deal with them)Kind kungfu regards from the Netherlands!
maekelon8 3 years ago
bent arms = easy chin na
zwnsnyde 3 years ago
Yeah, chin na uses closed arms and rotation points to cause a lot of pain. very effective in close quarters.
Sythra 2 years ago
You raise an interesting point there. I think that using bent arms could definitely help counter some of the techniques, but more close-range traps and throws would become more potentially effective at the same time.
shinobi294 2 years ago
Chin na isnt restricted to arms, and when it comes to more or less realistic training traps are not that easy.
wp1509 2 years ago
Agreed - more like not easy at all.
Aheyne 2 years ago
In the Xing Yi that I'm learning right now, the punches are not streched,at least the ones I learned up until now. For example the crushing fist,which is a straight punch like the basic one wing chun uses;is finished when it is like parallel to the ground when hitting the mid section.That is how we practice the form, I'm new and I don't know how it looks when hitting the face with it, but the drilling fist which goes to the face in the form is not stretched either.Shortest punches I've ever seen
Kaos135 2 years ago
@ Kaos 135
Sounds interesting.. im still not at that level of Practical Wing Chun that i can say that i can look further to other Martial Arts styles like Bagua or Xing Yi :D ( is till have to make PWC my own)
Can you give me a link or something where i can watch a video where for example the crushing fist or drilling fist are shown?
Keep up practicing, kungfu brother!!
Kind kungfu regards from the Netherlands
maekelon8 2 years ago
@ maekelon8
My teacher does not have a video, and different lineages seem to do it in different ways. But I think Master Hai Yang, the instructor here, is great; you can take a look at his 5 elements form, the video which you can probably see on the right "Xing Yi Quan ( Hsing-I, 河北形意拳 ) 5 Elements and Linking form". It goes over the elements as it is done in his system. Order is Splitting (metal), Drilling (water), Crushing (wood), Pounding (fire), Crossing (earth).
Kaos135 2 years ago
He does the elements a little different than how I learned up until now. And that video is a little fast perhaps and I can't catch all the details (clothes are also a reason). But I observe that he also does not strecth the arms fully.
In this video with students, students sometimes stretch sometimes not, it's not an issue to take serious in this video I think.
But in many other videos,I have seen instructors doing the fists with almost completely strecthed arms,it seems it varies wth lineages
Kaos135 2 years ago
the reason for the stretching of the arms is that in the beginning of hebei xingyi training you are taught to extend as far as you can to get the full range of motion and force. This should be done with the correct bend in the elbow etc, but when people are learning to do it it is difficult to get it perfect. It requires time to get the arms and legs bowed correctly. :D
mixjourneyman 2 years ago
@ mixjourneyman
I'm learning Hebei style, and am very very very new at it:) And we had started the elements by doing them as they normally should be done in our system, we did not stretch the arms to full range bacause of me being a beginner, and still do not. Perhaps the way I am being taught is different than your system. (But you also say "correct bend in the elbow", bent elbow means it is not stretched to full range, so I do not fully understand what you mean)
Kaos135 2 years ago
What I mean by that is that the arm is reached out from the body as far as it can go, but not that the elbow is locked out.
Generally hebei style reaches the arm by using the body and tries to extend it as much as possible without locking the elbows. Keep in mind that one of xingyi's main rules is to bow the elbows, back, knees etc.. so locking elbows is a no no, but extending the arms is important. There is a difference. Some hebei branches have compact posture too, but not ours.
mixjourneyman 2 years ago
By the way, people were not talking about how to train in the beginning but were discussing about how it is normally being done. And as much as I can see in his 5 elements video, Master Yang does not stretch his hands to full range either. At least in crushing he does not, his angle is similar to what I learned, bu I cannot clearly see cannon.
So I suppose what you explained means you're teaching with full range first, and then going to short range... A new insight to me..:)
Kaos135 2 years ago
also maybe you practice shanxi style. It is less extended. :D
mixjourneyman 2 years ago
Btw maybe the most important reason for that is to keep the energy connection of your fist with your dan tien..
In the wing chun styles I've seen, and the one I tried (EBMAS), all uses straight punhes with stretched arms. I never saw the opposite. I guess PWC is the name of your organization. I would like to see it someday... You also gave me an interesing information, thanks.
Best regards from New York and Turkey :)
Kaos135 2 years ago
Hi , No PWC stands for Practical Wing Chun, i train under the UCT organisation lead by Sifu Benno Westra. His sifu is(since 2007) Sifu Wan Kam Leung, one of the first senior students of Sifu Wong Shun Leung( check youtube or google if you want to gather more information :D).
for now,Im going to check the vids on the right side that u suggested :D
maekelon8 2 years ago
くに
gangstera95 3 years ago
Great! Very smooth.
gjjn 3 years ago
great teaching, fast paced, and soft yet darting small pressures of intense jing power, unfulfilled. We can't kill our sparring partners, but this is great speed wise. In a real fight it is fast, and you don't have tiome to think. you must just feel the moment and all the various combinations available is not logical, just intuited.
thanks, fabulOUS
taishing711 3 years ago 9
Well.... You may not use textbook symbolic logic during a fight process, but that doesn't make it "not logical". However, I agree that what we properly use in a fight are not abstract syllogisms from logic textbooks or other such. We do use a kind of "logic" however. It is just that we don't have a fast and accurate way to represent it to ourselves in a second-order and symbolic way during the process of applying it, hence, we rely upon our intuitive judgement.
nejatarn 3 years ago 3
Seems like a good system for streetfighting already, but maybe the master should let his students try their intuition out, so they learn to trust and work with it, which would be essential in a self defence situation.
monkfg 3 years ago
I thought that xing yi, ba gua and tai chi were internal styles? i for one study them but this looks way to external to be traditional. Yet still better than alot of crap out there.
nsmit182 3 years ago
Well as you say It looks external, this is an application of the Nei Jia. Its the fighting form. Any type of hand to hand combat looks to be external but in the internals there is more than what you can merely see.
BaguazhangMaster 3 years ago
great in fighting, the sifu shows great timing and accuracy within the centerline. which is always a difficult skill to master.
ariesmonk 3 years ago
excellent class!!!!!
elpenduloyelequilibr 3 years ago
Mmmm. That was delicious.
Seriously, great stuff.
mightydavefish 3 years ago
I really enjoyed your posting. You are a truely good practicer. You have alot of talent and are already expressing it in an advanced level.
BaguaStudent1 4 years ago
In one year Ill study Xin Yi in china! Woohooo!! :D
XhessCake 4 years ago
where are yall at
tomas007 4 years ago
this is excellent stuff. it shows how to counter a counter. most martial arts instructions given these days are to try to finish your opponent with the first counter blow, which ofcourse doesnt work well against others who knows how to fight.
much respect
/bow
KensaiZen 4 years ago
Spot on mate, im so over all these crappy styles around that just throw random movements with no meaning. i currently study an internal styke which is as traditional as they come. its based on xing yi ba gua and tai chi with also crane principles. The style is pretty much based on body mechanics and more of the science behind fighting, where size is no matter, and u learn to naturally adapt so u stuff up a block it rolls into the next and next and so on but all so relaxed.
nsmit182 3 years ago
O god... dont screw up your chi gung when using that please...It can cause illness and in some cases mild insanity...Bruse Kumar Frantiz did that too and look at him now...
BaguazhangMaster 3 years ago
god i wish a teacher like that lived in my city...
kreesu 4 years ago 3
power???
drdankness 4 years ago
no need for excessive power, they are both internal styles. angles, footwork, leverage and the mechanics of the body are used rather than brute strength like external martial arts
NoFear4821 4 years ago
angles, footwork, leverage, body mechanics... are NOT exclusive to "internal" styles. And few "external" styles are proponents of "brute strength".
The elusive Qi is also practiced in many if not most external styles. That's not to say there's no differences.
it is also interesting that many martial art historians noted that the split between "internal" and "external" styles happened very recently, late Qing Dynasty or during the Republic era.
kaizhuang 4 years ago 2
that's an awesome teacher.
1URESAM 4 years ago
Great tehnic man.....You are luky to have such a master!!!Practice hard!!!!
taoistul 4 years ago 6
Dude, we're in Montreal, CANADA!!!
Juan0003 4 years ago
Thats an impressive master, the way he moves. His students are lucky he has a gym in their area.
SusieSommers 4 years ago
that old master could easily kick all his students asses. His moment, timing and technique are on a different level
Bloodydice45 4 years ago 3
awesome
chillione87 4 years ago
divert angle to go in
cimr99 4 years ago
I really liked the first application. I'm a BJJ guy, so I'm probably biased.
Greatsocratesghost 4 years ago
Woops...that'd be the first one.
Greatsocratesghost 4 years ago
the teacher is such a small man, and yet he flips throws and counters his students like they were lightweights!
jaskey 4 years ago 3
I love that he shows counters to his own applications!
slizzler1 4 years ago 2
sifu, thanks for the real deal applications.
good to see. ive only done some hsing i form.
ive heard that pa kua was a very effective application too. all the best. cheers.
golddrachen 4 years ago 2
Hey... As long as it's for the good health... Yan Xin Qi Gong is getting a bad rep I think
vulcanfox 4 years ago 2
so do I... I really wish I could learn from hai yang
vulcanfox 4 years ago
yan xin qi gong is follow the heart meditation... I learned it in Buffalo, New York originally. One of the books I would recommend is Shen Diao Xia Lu... by Jin Yong. English translation is Divine Eagle, Gallant Knight
vulcanfox 4 years ago
I don't understand.... Shen Diao Xia Lu is a fiction wuxia book.
Redshift489 4 years ago 2
Gosh, I wish I can learn from this teacher.
musicdisciple 4 years ago 2
very very nice. thanks for these demo's.
musicdisciple 4 years ago
I do "yan xin qi gong" a lot, and it helps with my running, jumping, and physical endurance... I've been able to sprint 100 meters so much faster as a result of practicing chi gong... and I envision myself a soaring eagle when I run...
vulcanfox 4 years ago
what is yan xin qi gong? and books or anything you can recommend?
Eayne 4 years ago
Yan Xin Qi Gong is not much relation with Kung-Fu. This kind of Qi-Gong is called be "Jing-Gong", means Still Practice, and Qing Gong of Kung-Fu is called be "Dong-Gong", means Moving Practice. Stricktly, I'd rather say Yan Xin Qi Gong is a kind a religion, and just as you know, as a kind of religion, fewer or more, there are always lies in it. So, no recommend.
cincin75ytb 4 years ago
So instead of at around 5:30 AM, I was there at about 6:30 AM... So, I was caught by Mitch... a disciple of Kenneth J. Fish... We started talking about my meditation, tai chi quan, and Buddhist philosophy, and found that we were pretty "心头意和"...
vulcanfox 4 years ago
Yesterday morning, I climbed up to the roof of the Dufief Elementary School to practice "沿心气功和太极拳" i.e. Tai Chi and "Follow Thy Heart Meditation"... Except I had slept last morning from in the night before, and was up on the roof a little later than usual, much after the break of dawn, or at the birds' first cry...
vulcanfox 4 years ago
My "yuan fen" or luck / perhaps a little fate with kung fu is a little mysterious... Kenneth J. Fish is the son-in-law of Zhang Junfeng (1902-1974) (video on youtube provided by Kenneth J. Fish, search Zhang Junfeng)
vulcanfox 4 years ago
I recently heard of a master in Gaithersburg Maryland called Kenneth J. Fish... Anybody know about this guy? I'm still wondering I should try to learn tai chi quan with him... I've been doing some "yan xin qi gong" and intro tai chi quan myself... But it's totally amateur and unguided...
vulcanfox 4 years ago
dr. fish has a rep as being very legit.
ashehiggs 4 years ago
Hsingi is the deadliest art in history. My brother is 3rd degree and was student of Mike Patterson. My brother took out 8 mexicans who jumped him in Mexico. He was left laughing at them.
albval1 4 years ago
is he teaching?
Tianshanwarrior 4 years ago
Hai yang you are the instructor? Excellent technique. Which style are you more rooted in, Bagua or Xingyi? I like the leg counter.
warfox777 4 years ago
i am the little instructor there.
i like both of these styles, so i do not know which style i am more rooted in. is it important?
whatisyournameya 4 years ago
No it is not important. I was only curious. However I know that bagua has thousands of moves. It would be to overwhelming for me to do both thoroughly.
warfox777 4 years ago
Excellent application and counter. Xingyi and Bagua compliment each other so well.
temu09 4 years ago
please stop arguing here, it is not nice to do this. People could spend more time talking about techniques instead of politics and nonsense.
Thank you for your understanding and cooperation.
Hai Yang
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IMakeFlash 4 years ago
Do you think wushu is useful? Wushu was created by the communist party, after 10 years of almost destroying all martial arts in china. Most of the real masters of china ran away or was killed in the cultural revolution. The only people who don't seem to know this are ignorant people who lived in a propaganda controled country. This is a fact!
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Do you think wushu is useful?
You can try fighting with Jet Lee, Jackie Chan, or any other kungfu masters who praticed Chinese kung fu.
CPC might destroy a lot, it could not destroy all.
And don't forget, Hongkong, Macau, and Republic of China did not suffer from the cultural revolution.
IMakeFlash 4 years ago
don't underestimate wushu. there are traditional wushu practitioners in china nowadays. anyways just enjoy this clip.
musicdisciple 4 years ago
I don't know why you're taking this so seriously. I've seen in just 50 years a MA style can change dramatically, so if for hundreds of years. We can safely say that jap and korean styles are a style of their own. you teach me to walk, but you can't dance like me. simply
illyong 4 years ago 2
The jap and korean are just crawling because they don't know how to walk. But you can treat a crawling as a dance.
IMakeFlash 4 years ago
all this negativity. well in the other comments I actually mentioned that this is a good teacher. and i'm happy that more real chinese teachers are coming instead of useless wannabe teachers.
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What kind of prize? Miss Ghost~
IMakeFlash 4 years ago
IMakeFlash I sorry for even trying to reply. I didn't know I was replying to a 16 year old boy. Go play hero with your playmates
illyong 4 years ago 3
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IMakeFlash 4 years ago
of course I understand. eight generations of your family
were my grandfathers servents. explains the hostility haha
illyong 4 years ago
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IMakeFlash 4 years ago
Of course I know what it means. I'm being sarcastic. Go look up what 'sarcastic' means sigh.
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So... Do you know what Hippopotomonstrosesquippedaliophobia means?
IMakeFlash 4 years ago
You're a very imaginative person. Too many lonely nights I suspect haha. This is my last comment. Hongkong, Macau, and TAIWAN were not involved in the cultural revolution. This is not an attack on your nation. One generation of communism and it creates people like you. Idiotic. Bye bye and have fun living a lie.
illyong 4 years ago 3
The cleverest way to fight with others is using less force to counter a stronger force. That's what the Tai Chi is all about~ Fight hard with hard is stupid~ And that what Koreans and Japanese always do~
IMakeFlash 4 years ago
Well japanese are one considered the ultimate warrior society in asia. It refelts on their culture. Secondly korean are in constant war, so they are more practical in their form.
illyong 4 years ago
Chinese has been in war for 4,000 years~ By the way, warrior society is nutter and should disappear on the earth~
IMakeFlash 4 years ago
come on...every smart person would have realized that it is not in the martial art form that makes you the better fighter, it's the skill of the fighter that will win. A good shifu could beat a bad karateka, a good karateka could beat a bad shifu.
H2Zman 3 years ago 4
In essence you are correct, but not all systems are created equal. After forty years of doing external and twenty doing internal, I am of the opinion that the internal systems give one a better platform to fight from.
steve0281 3 years ago 4
internal and external exists in any coherent system. Perhaps you didnt stick with the external arts enough to learn the internal aspects. External only, leads to limited power, internal only, leads to you breaking your wrist on your opponents body.
WuDiTieJingGang 3 years ago
Gee! Forty years isn't long enough?
steve0281 3 years ago 3
Well, that is true only to some extent. Of course everybody should be familiar with simple exercises, punches, kicks and so on, but if you practise (also external) qi gong as well as "internal" punches this should be sufficient for self self defense all in all.
wp1509 2 years ago
Well, my experience is much less than yours but you are totally right.
wp1509 2 years ago
Japanese are considered the ultimate warriors by... the japanese themselves. Where do you get these ideas?
Juan0003 3 years ago 3
loool that's a fact...japanese only love themselves
they're not bad people..they're a bit xenophobic..but wlll change in time
56bloodhorn 3 years ago 3
noo, taiji is not about any force, its about energy, gather energy but don't use force, force will cause the flow to cease, this is taiji
SeriousSam505 2 years ago
practice with any good chen or zhaobao guys and I think your opinion might change. :D
mixjourneyman 2 years ago
with all due resepect to other styles, ive seen kung fu in several forms, in action, karate, hapkido etc are all beautiful forms and all have a legitimate place in the martial world. Those who think kung fu does not, simply have not seen true kung fu. This does not mean to insult those people, only to make them aware of what they have not been able to find. trust me its out there.
Bastion83 4 years ago
this is a guy who knows his internal styles, effectively
darthaardvark 4 years ago
I dislike chinese martial arts. They give people a false sence of safety. This guy can fight though. But I can garentee almost everybody I know who learnt this stuff can't defend themselves. I think combat judo, hapkido etc are the way to go with defence
illyong 4 years ago
I wouldn't say it's false my friend ;)
darthaardvark 4 years ago
I don't believe it has anything to do with the style. Much more with how it is trained. The styles you mention contain freestyle sparring, it is the only way to really learn to apply the techniques in the style. IMHO.
Juan
Juan0003 4 years ago 4
You are totally stupid~ All the Asian martial arts derived from Chinese kung fu including Tai Chi, Wudang, Shaolin, and some other forms of martial arts~ If Chinese martial arts does not work, others won't work either~ By the way, you are stupid!
IMakeFlash 4 years ago