this just proves politicians manipulates facts in order to pursuit their political goals. sometimes, they even puposlly even use certain parts of their history to create an idealistic image of a none-violent race. however, the reality is history is fill with nothing but conflicts.
its good, but if you wanted to highlight turkish hypocrisy, in terms of the "almost genocide statement, you could have posted more facts about the armenian genocide, ie: photos, documents, eyewitness testimonies, world leader going as far back as churchill, teddy roosevelt, woodrow wilson, missionary testimonies and eyewitness accounts, survivor stories and the stories of what the generations of armenians are feeling at their history being denied and even made into aggressors...
I know as a chinese muslim you will support china but as a Turk myself and a non-muslim i can tell you that.. Major of arabs Turks also muslims support Uyghurs than chinese communist filth..
@GrandmasterTigerfist , Thanks for telling me you are non-Muslim and Turk. The Uighur affair is mostly a Pan Turkic affair, nothing to do with Muslims. Thankyou.
@GrandmasterTigerfist , Muslims don't a a flying fcuk between Ummah and Pan-Turkism. Pan Turkism is a racist ideology that stress Turkic racial superiority. Muslims are against this ideology.
Not all muslims hates china in fact pakistan is chinas nr1 dog and while china threatnes Turkey. pakistanis allow chinese to build their bases in pakistan so they can hunt for Turks easily.. Most funny part is that pakistanis deny any kind of chinese atrocities in xinjiang..
@GrandmasterTigerfist Can you enlighten us how China is a threat to Turkey? And how is China's suppose opposition to Turkey constitute anti Islamic??? In fact Turkey suffers poor relationships over the past with Kurds, Iranians and Arabs over support for Israel, assimilation of Kurds etc etc. You are bullcrapping from nowhere.
@GrandmasterTigerfist , No, China just took advantage of cheap Greek assets, using them as a foothold to enter the EU, nothing to do with Turkey. China has always had good relations with Armenia and Azerbaijan too, nothing to do with Turkey.
@GrandmasterTigerfist Actually, most of the pro-Xinjiang groups are based in Germany and US, not Turkey. Turkey in fact enjoys a profitable economic and military relationship with China prior to the Urumqi riots. Obviously Turkey had to do something because it thinks it is the big brother of the pan-Turks. Turkey is still a big economic partner of China today.
@GrandmasterTigerfist ,China's issues with the Uighur militants or Pan Turkic extremists have nothing to do with Islam. China have friendly relationships with many Muslim nations, including Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Iran etc etc
Iran saudi arabia are just corrupt leaders even saudi and Iranians dont have any positive attitude towards the Turkic people.. If you think that china isnt less than a imperialist hunger then time will show..
Under the chinese supression on muslims in xinjiang the biggest protest ever was in turkey and yoiu say that there isnt much xinjiang support in Turkey?
@GrandmasterTigerfist , China is not supressing Muslims in Xinjiang. China is concern about separatism from the Uighurs. The religion itself, Islam, is not being suppressed. As Muslims, you are free to pray and worship and China is the only country that I am aware of who have women Imams.
@GrandmasterTigerfist , And when did I say there is no support in Turkey for Uighurs. Turks support Uighurs because they think they are related as both speak a Turkic language, and also Turk believe they are big brother and protector to all Turks. Turks support Uighurs not because of religion, but because of race. Many Turk supporters of the Uighurs are in fact secular nationalists, not Muslim fundamentalists.
@GrandmasterTigerfist That is BS, many Arabs are wary of Iranian power and even the the Uzbeks, who speak a Turkic language, don't give a tweet to the Uighurs, even though they speak closely related languages. Many Pakistani and Arab Muslims in fact sided with China, knowing the Uighurs are just pawns of the US or the Pan Turkic Turanist wet dreams of Turkey.
Most arabs ( especially sunnis & wahabis) do not support a Shia state of Iran and do not forget that Iran is facing a sunni millitia against itself.. Uyghurs are fighting for their occupied land so wheter china makes fake agenda of them being CIA agents etc is totally BS.. China was never better than USA
@whateverrule Let the Kyrgyz and Uzbeks murder one another. Maybe they'll start to use biological and chemical weapons on each other. It'd be the first time in history that one group of roaches used pesticides to kill of another group of roaches.
poor chinese.u will understand soon.there are more muslim then chinese.and muslims are growing.and u also see what turkey have a power called ottaman(unity of muslims and ı m sure that what make u so uneasy is the idea of this).u can keep on telling lies..what ever u say u will beg for a little gas or oil. u understand now..what u have to give iran and what turkey will have soon will make u more uneasy..now u can go on killing muslims in turkistan..but this only makes us more powerful.
poor chinese.u will understand soon.there are more muslim then chinese.and muslims are growing.and u also see what turkey have a power called ottaman(unity of muslims and ı m sure that what make u so uneasy is the idea of this).u can keep on telling lies..what ever u say u will beg for a little gas or oil. u understand now..what u have to give iran and what turkey will have soon will make u more uneasy..now u can go on killing muslims in turkistan..but this only makes us more powerful.
And well, it sure could have outnumbered the overall anatolian population. The turkic oghuz came in such masses, that they not only served the Seljuk empire, but the arabs, the crusaders, the byzantines, and practically everyone who layed with their best interests. Turkish manpower was in such an abundance that wasn't to be found in any other people in the anatolian lands. I suggest that you do some research on that.
@azmhyr A quick five minute research tells me that the Turkic migrations were somewhere around 1-2 million during the entirety of the Seljuk Empire, while the Anatolian population was 12 million.
We're talking about the 10th-11th centuries. 1-2 million is a HUGE number, don't underestimate it, but don't underestimate the population of Anatolia either.
Not to mention that their brave leader, Abdullah Öcalan begged a like a dog to serve "his country" on the flight back to Turkey. If he had any pride and honour in his head, he'd have put a slug into it by now, and saved us all the trouble of feeding him the food that the honest and hardworking turkish populace produces.
Yeah, that's the only comfort you have. Because we have a leader that was able to raise us above the lowly standarts that you still suffer because of your stupidity.
Not to mention the fact that we're inheritors of an empire that spanned over 3 continents.
@azmhyr Ottoman, that's everything you have. Listen dumb ass, Ataturk DESTROYED Ottoman and you're worshipping him like a God for that. Ataturk introduced and sold Turkey to the Western Elite.
WHat have you? You came and qonquered like savages, and forced Kurds, Greeks, Armenians and other natives to speak Turkish and call themself Turks. Half of Ottomans were Kurds.
Kurds and Persians had an empire much larger than Ottoman under Cyrus The Great and on = Medo Persia thousands of years before
@azmhyr You are speaking to a Kurd who have read his history, not a poor uneducated Kurd who have worked his child life instead of going to school. The Kurds in "turkey" North Kurdistan, are poor and illiterate because the Turkish government want them to be like that. In the end, the Kurds are 1 million times better than Turks. We haven't occupied a part of your land and tried to extinct your people, and at the same time call you terrorists for recisting. No, you're doing that to us. Dumb as ho
Oh, we want them to be illiterate? With the PKK running it's rampage across the east, murdering teachers, along with the medieval minds of the rural kurds, not allowing their children to go to school, mostly their girls, forcing them, into marriage, the literacy rate does not rise in the east. Why would we want kurds to be illiterate and then accuse them of not speaking our language? It's retarted to think that.
@azmhyr That "medieval mind" was also the culture of the Turks not that long ago (less than a century, that's for sure). Why is it that Turks and Kurds who accept Turkification somehow got out of that "medieval mind", and not Kurds who want to speak Kurdish?
When ever did we kill our daughters when they met up with a boy?
But well, we all know well of the honour killings done by kurds both in eastern anatolia, and even in Cities like Izmir, Istanbul and Ankara, where sizable kurdish migrants work. It's a part of your culture, man. The patriarchal, macho and disrespectful, loathsome kurdish way of behaving. You need some serious fucking makeover. We tried to give it to ya. But seems like we failed.
@azmhyr Your leaders deceived Kurds 95 years ago by saying they will build a nation together: For Turks and Kurds. Once the nation was established, the entire economy was concentrated in Turkish regions, while the Kurds were left out of the government, and out of modernization, and Kurdish was even banned until the 70s. They were to be known as "Mountain Turks" (*genocide*).
You can't deprive them from the rights to modernize and then insult them for their lateness to advance.
Like donthakiller said, the goal is to attract Kurds into the Turkish world, spread them, disperse them, and more easily assimilate them. Ban the Kurdish language, ban the Kurdish writing system, in short, ban the Kurdish identity, and then when they fight back, call them terrorists.
Exactly what Azerbaijanis did, and are doing, to Armenians in Karabakh.
Deceive? You didn't do anything! We were the ones who drove the armenoids back to the shithole they came from. All you did was to cause rebellions, both during, and after our war of independence. And eastern anatolia is in fact a part of our history aswell, along with being home to various turkish beyliks, in pre-ottoman times. The kurds were moved there Sultan Bayezid where they helped him to massacre the rouge şiite turcoman population.
@azmhyr You can compare modern Kurds and Armenians to the Scots in the movie "Braveheart," and Turks to the English. Pay close attention to the way the English population react to William Wallace during the execution at the end. You're as brainwashed by your state as they are by their kingdom. If you knew exactly what our (and Kurds') fedayee fought for, you'd respect them, just as you'd respect William Wallace.
To you, they're savage terrorists. To us, they are our fearless freedom fighters.
That's all you can come up with. I'm being brainwashed. And I'm denying the PKK their rightful glory, because I'm being brainwashed while they're the real heroes, and we turks are the murderers, mongols, roots of all evil, etc. And I never said that they were savage. They're just terrorists. And rightfully so, because not only they take up arms against our goverment, while they are not a goverment themselves, they also attack civillians as far as in Istanbul.
@azmhyr Easy to say this when you have no idea what the Turkish government/soldiers have done to them. It's not like some random Kurds got up one day and decided, "I'm going to bomb some Turks."
All you can come up with is, "that's all you can come up with." Think about it, maybe I come up with that because it's true?
they must do their self-critisism first for their past and current invasions and genocides and then and only then they can speak for their uyghur "brothers", kurds for example have no right for a Kurdistan but uyghurs according to turks do need to "set free" from china, hypocrites!
That's how you are. Before you repeat what you say, why don't you debunk Talat pasha's black book? Why don't you argue with me instead of simply repeating the same blatant bullshit you always do.
If we're going to talk in terms of historians, there are more than 20 times more historians who deem it a genocide than those who don't. That's quality WITH quantity: international genocide organizations recognize it as well. All nations involved in the Ottoman empire also (ally Germany, too)
LOL,Turkish goverment doesn't slay people,u fetus eater chink rat...We only slay PKK terrorists and we slayed Armenian Tashnak rebels and greek army,who invaded Anatolia without any reason and killed innocent people!Also there were 1,2 million armenians in Anatolia(Justin McCarthy proved that :]),how could we kill 1,5 million Armenians,LMFAO!Also honour killing is a Kurdish tradition,not Turkish!
You lier, everything with you Turks are lies or hypocrosy. You cry because the Chinese government called Uygurs for terrorists, of course I am not a braindead Turkish monkey. Unlike you, I have an open mind and I am decent, I know what is right and what is wrong and I am neutral. I don't spread lies just because I am partial like you. The Uygurs are victims of China JUST LIKE the Kurds are victims of Turkey. Uygurs and Kurds will be free one day from Chinese and Turkish state terrorism.
Is Turkey terror state?Well,we have never been racist(but we had to be!)against Kurds,even we had a half-Kurdish president,Özal!Also especially Erdoğan works for south-eastern cities,he makes everything for u,whereas they don't work for Northern and Black Sea Region cities!In Artvin,ppl don't have bridges between hills and they made a simple bridge for themselves!Also PKK is terrorist.U kurds are the worst minority,I have both Albanian and Georgian relatives and they are loyal Turk citizens!
Yes Turkey is the worst terror state in the entire world today. Listen to yourselfe. Any decent and civilized human being would laugh of your petty arguements. The "half Kurdish" president was a traitor, he was not Kurdish, he can be Turkish, we don't want him to be Kurdish.
Erdogan makes everything for us? Mate wtf is your problem? Are you blind or do you get satisfied by lying? You can not name your child a Kurdish name. Yes Erdogan made a dam to destroy our 10,000 year old city Hesenkeyfa.
Worst terror state?!?Erdoğan does nothing for Northern or Central Turkey,have u ever seen villages of Yozgat,Aksaray,Artvin or Erzurum?!?Whereas he works for u,because of his Kurdish wife!Also Özal worked for u,Kurds too!Only Atatürk and Ecevit didn't work for u in Turkish history!
Also we Turks will hate u,till u'll be a loyal minority like lovely Albanians,Lazes,Georgians,Adyghes or Lezginkas in Turkey!
Watch what your angelic nation does to its people.
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Now, say that boy did something bad, did he deserve a beating by 15 policemen when he's completely helpless? What about those women and children? What did they do to deserve this? PKK is what prevents kurds from living the same fate as Armenians.
There is only one law and one religion in Turkey:
Be a TURK, and be a kemalist.
Otherwise, shut up or get out. This has been the way since 1914.
@Arzive Kurds are subhumans,child molesters,drug sellers and terrorists,like gypsies in Eastern Europe or niggers in the USA.Also Justin McCarthy is a serious professor,and if u check ottoman statics,there were less than 1,2 million armenians in anatolia...And if u support Kurds,also support Chechens in Russia,Uyghurs in China,Albanians in Kosova and West Thracian Turks in Greece.
Also, I'm very curious to know if you actually watched the video. One nation's "terrorists" are another's freedom fighters. Kurds were left in the dark from the world. They were kept poor and uneducated purposely so that Turks stay superior to them. That and many other reasons allowed them to demand justice. I don't know about Uyghurs, nor Albanians in Kosovo, nor West Thracians. If I did, and they were freedom fighters, I probably would support them.
But let me return that argument against you: don't you support Uygurs, Albanians in Kosovo, Chechens in Russia and Thracian Turks in Greece? Then if you support them, you must support Kurds.
No, we don't. Kurds were never seperate, while eastern Turkestan was only recently invaded by the chinese, along with Tibet, who also was independant. Not to mention that the Chinese have absolutely no right to claims on those lands, as we do.
Turks have lived in eastern Anatolia ever since they got there, and have built many monuments in their own honour, while the kurds have nothing to show in comparison. They came to anatolia along with us, not before us.
@azmhyr That's false information. Kurds have lived in the region for as long as the Medians invaded it sometime around the 6th century BC, in a province almost exclusively ruled by Armenia called "Gordyene" until the Roman & Parthian empire divided Armenia in two (Western/Eastern as it is still today). They have been in the region almost 1500 years prior to Turks, but it is true they never became independent.
@Arzive We have been independent many times. That's just a cheap baseless arguement for our enemies to use, to convince people that we are not suitable to run our own state. Kurds re united the Median nations, and formed their own independent empire about 2,600 - 2,700 years ago after defeating the Assyrians together with the Babylonians.
The Karduchis you mention or the people of Karda as the SUmerians called them, or the people of Beth Qardu as the Assyrians called them were semi independent.
@donthakiller I don't think it's worth arguing about this here, but it's hard to believe that Kurds were "Medians." Atropatene (real Azerbaijanis, not fake republic) were also Medians, but they're not Kurds.
Kurds branched off from Medians, just as Armenians branched off from Urartu, and Ottomans branched off from Seljuks.
Therefore, Kurds ARE Medians, but Medians are NOT Kurds. Armenians ARE Urartians, but Urartians were NOT Armenians. Ottomans were Seljuks, but Seljuks weren't Ottomans.
Your history is poor. Ottomans weren't Seljuks. Seljuks were of the Kınık tribe of the Oghuz, while the Ottomans were from the Kayı tribe of the Oghuz. The Seljuks did not exist as a political entity at the time of the ottomans, there were several turkish beyliks around, when the Ottomans existed. I am descended from the karamanoğlu beylik, and the crimean tatars of ukraine. Meaning I also have kipchak blood in me.
Nope, they are not medians. Medians are an iranian people. Kurds are an iranian people. Scythians are an iranian people. Does that make medians scythians?
Or scythians kurds? No. If you are medians, why do you call yourself kurds?
@azmhyr Scythians have nothing to do with Iranians, or rather, part of them later became part of the Iranians. Scythians are a random Indo-European people who originally lived somewhere around modern-day Kazakhstan and Russia.
The first Iranian empire was that of Media, and Kurds settled/amalgamated under the Medians. Medians are Iranian peoples, and Kurds are branched off from Medians. Therefore, Iranian > Median > Kurd.
Scythians are iranian peoples. Just like you kurds. Kurds arrived along with our hordes. Not with the medians. Medians are an ancient people. You however are not.
When? When exactly? When exactly do I hear the word "kurd" being mentioned in any historical world maps? The medes were unfortunate to share the same region that you live in today, because you seem to be exploiting them to forge yourself a non-existent history. Face it. You're nothing but sorts of persians that lived somewhere in Iran before we picked you up, and brought you to Anatolia.
@azmhyr When exactly? I suggest you open up Wikipedia or any history book lying around and turn to a page where it shows the Roman Empire at its peak somewhere around the 1st century and look closely to the small region under Armenia. "Gordyene" or "Cordyene." As I mentioned earliere, -ene is a hellenic suffix, while -stan is an Iranian suffix. Cordyene = [Cordystan]Kurdistan
In fact, there is a region in Urartu called "Kurti" just south of lake Van. Of course, there is no evidence to back this, but they may have been Medianized indigenous peoples of the region of "Kurti" which became known as Gordyene and Cordyene with the adoption of the Hellenic "-ene" suffix, and finally Kurdistan with the adoption of the Iranian "-stan" suffix.
Kurds are actually our indigenous regional brothers along with Assyrians, Greeks and Georgians, despite our past conflicts.
@Arzive It's logical thinking. Most likely it was something in that direction.
Indeed, Kurds are not a homogenous group. It is beleived that they have several different ancestors. Some from Anatolia and Armenia region, some from Mesopotamia (most likely Assyrians who lived in the North) and some from Iran (Medes in particular). Also there is beleived to have possibly Hittite and Hurrian ancestors. But just like many Kurds Armenians etc became Turks and speak Turkish, those groups Medo/Iranified
@donthakiller There is no such thing as a homogenous group in reality. Urartu was a federation of many tribes. Medians and Scythians destroyed the Urartian monarchy, and Armenians were promoted to nobility (somewhat, since early Armenian kings were identified as Medians, not Armenians).
Imagine if the Turkish government falls, and its Kurdish minority takes over the government, and makes Kurdish the official language, and merges its ethnic groups. That's what happened in Urartu/Armenia.
@donthakiller Our region is the cradle of civilization. Sumerians referred to their ancestral lands as Arrata (which was in the north), which some historians associate with Urartu, Urashtu, Ararat. If that is so, Eastern Anatolia/Caucasus (aka Armenia) is the cradle of the cradle of civilization.
The Middle East is where civilization began, and it was one of the major centres of civilizations until the barbarian nomadic Turks invaded it and destroyed it (these are recorded facts that Turks can't even deny: they were the destroyers of civilization until the later period of the Ottoman Empire).
The cradle of civilization is home to all current ethnic groups living in it today, except for Turks.
@Arzive That can be argued with my part of the region South Kurdistan(Kordestana Bashur)/Assyria (Ashur) or better known as Northern Iraq these days.
New research points out more and more that it was actualy North Iraq the first civilizations emerged, and not SOuth (Sumer) which they have beleived until now. It does kind of make sence too, if you think about this that the first temple of Ashur was built there almost 7,000 years ago and that the Assyrians are still a nation almost 7,000 years no
Armenians' ethnic ancestors can be identified as ?. Hurrians ?. Mittanni ?. Hittites 1. Hayasa 2. Biana (Van/Urartu) 3. Nairi 4. Assyrians 5. Scythians 6. Cimmerians 7. Phrygians 8. Medians Urartu was the soup in which they were all mixed, and Armenia is the end result of the amalgamation under a single ethnic unity. Urartu is the geopolitical predecessor much like Ottoman is that of Turkey, Gaul to France, Britons to England, Media to Kurds & Azerbaijanis.
@donthakiller Well, I don't know about the conflicts between Assyrians and Kurds all that much, and I'd rather not take sides. Assyrians are even more threatened than us Armenians to turn their last pages of history, since 1915. Let's not let them disappear like the Pontic Greeks.
There is only one thing we can be sure of: we don't have the luxury to fight each other. Armenians, Kurds, Assyrians and Greeks must cooperate if we are to realize our dreams of restoring our decimated/stolen nations.
@Arzive You're absolutely right aper. I can't say anything against that. I feel for the Assyrians, but I just think they need to be wiser on who they regard as friends (Arabs) and enemies (Kurds) in general. Not all Assyrians are anti Kurds. I have some Assyrians married into the family, my fathers best friend is Assyrians etc.
I need to go now, it was a pleasure conversating with you. Have a nice day and hangistutoun.
@donthakiller I was about to leave as well. Thank you for this pleasant conversation :)
As a last word from me: I wish for your independence from Iraq (if that's in your favor), and hope both of you can live side by side with Assyrians as a bi-ethnic nation. Let's not be like Turkey. South Kurdistan/Assyria should be prosperous for Kurds and Assyrians alike, as they are both indigenous to the region (unlike Turks & Arabs).
@azmhyr Blockaded on its two largest borders by with two hostile nations, one non-supportive in the North, and one supportive in the South until religion is implicated, we still manage to somewhat prosper. If given a chance, and the amount of time Turkey had to become a democracy since 1923, you'd see how ignorant your "nothing" is.
Armenians win always against all odds, just as in Karabakh. That's why Turkey resorted to genocide.
Oh sure. If we would have wanted to wipe out the armenoid race, we'd have wiped them off of the surface of the map. There wouldn't be one armenian standing alive. But look at you now. Strong diaspora, keeping the paltry land you call a country alive. You are not worth exterminating.
Well, I believe you already know my viewpoint on that. I think that we just exiled you from there. I'd compare it to ethnic cleansing, but no genocide.
@azmhyr On the other hand, giant Turkey with giant population and giant economy still needs to ask permission from big baba USA to make weapons or enter Iraq. Turkey is the most suck-up superpower in the world.
Let me tell you why: Turkey is a puppet nation created by the Western world after the collapse of Ottoman. But to make you understand this, I must undo the heavy brainwash caused by Kemalism, which is close to impossible, especially coming from an Armenian.
@azmhyr Mustafa Kemal Ataturk rose, not from the ashes of Ottoman, but as a puppet by the Western world. The moment Ataturk rose, Russia, France, England, USA etc. all supported the successor of their Ottomans enemy, Turkey. Ataturk became a national hero through heavy propaganda, when in reality, all he did was set the standard for kissing western butt. This is really just a simple explanation, I don't have to explain more, you can pretty much guess the rest.
Oh well, I don't think that Ataturk's biography does match your claims. We had only one and one supporter. And that was the soviet union of that time which supplied us with arms. And it's the soviet union that held whatever land was in your grasp at that time.
Blaming Atatürk, saying that he was a puppet or whatever you want to call him, isn't going to change the fact that he's not involved in anything but the resitance against the imperialistic powers. I do view him as a hero.
Well, even if, I don't think that you were any centralised entity at any time, man. Even now, you are tribal, and your tribal bickerings go back as far as the Turks first met you.
I'm really curious what your opinions about greater armenia is, however. If I'd absolutely have to, I'd support a greater armenia, over a greater kurdistan, no matter how much I fucking hate those armenian furballs, I believe that they deserve it more than you ever do.
@azmhyr You don't need my opinion for "Greater Armenia." You can buy some history books and read some ancient inscriptions by individuals such as Herodotus, who mention "Greater Armenia." In fact, you can open up any history book you want and look at the Roman Empire at its peak to know exactly what my opinion of Greater Armenia is based on.
Greater Armenia encompasses the region called kurdistan. Not all of it perhaps, but the lot of eastern anatolia is shown by armenian nationalists to be within the borders of greater armenia. The fact that the armenians were scattered, and never a majority in those lands after we settled the scene, doesn't change anything.
@azmhyr The fact that the region was still inhabited by at least a 50% Armenian population (Van, Erzurum/Garin, etc.) does change something. The fact that everything in the region was built by Armenians and destroyed by Turks/Kurds, also changes something. The fact that most of the region's names are of Armenian origin also changes something. The fact that Armenians, establishing the first kingdom in the region and not a single living there today also changes something.
@azmhyr You came, you saw, you conquered. There's nothing we disagree there. But in the 19th-2th centuries, when all nations under your arms broke away from you, Armenians, the last in line to do so, attempted to do the same, but this time, you went beyond the level of simply conquering, you destroyed an entire nation. You might not care about this, but we do, and we want our homes back.
Don't worry, we will. When the time is right, Western Armenia will be liberated, it's just a matter of time.
@azmhyr You can believe those ancient inscriptions or not, that's up to you, but there is one thing you can't deny, Greater Armenia was a unified civilization before the earliest mention of the word "turk" in historical records thus far (which is in fact, in a Chinese inscription). Considering this and the thousand year barbaric nomadism in Turks that followed the earliest mention of the word "turk," you can see whether or not they were a "great civilization."
Who cares if it was. I didn't say that we are natives to the lands of anatolia, but I'm simply stating that you too, aren't. You think of yourself as having a 5000 year old history in the region. You're all fooling yourself. You're one of the unimportant ethnicities in the middle east, as you were as always, with no real power, and no history of any country that you might have laid the foundations of.
@azmhyr Yes, that's what you'd like to believe because you see us as enemies. That's not what ancient historians/inscriptions indicate. Before Armenia was defeated by being attacked on both sides (Parthia & Rome), Armenia was a regional superpower. Armenia was the defender of smaller states such as Pontus/Trebizond, Iberia, Colchis, Arran, and at its peak, its military might reached to the other side of Iran. We're talking ~2000 years ago, though.
@azmhyr I'd like you to do some research about Byzantine emperors of Armenian origin. Or I'd like you to do some research on why Byzantine was invaded by the Caliphate in the Middle East. You're talking blatantly. Armenia was a relatively mediocre superpower in the ancient world, and a basic kingdom afterward (not insignificant like you'd like to believe). The first to have completely destroyed the Armenian nobility (aka "destroyed the kingdom") is the Seljuk Empire.
I know that Armenia had some sort of an Empire back in the ancient days, but well, to be honest, the only other state that you've founded a while later in the middle ages was cilician armenia, I believe, a crusader state, or something.
That too didn't stand too long after the eurofags left the scene.
@azmhyr Aaah, so now we had some "sort of Empire" and a "crusader state." Remember when you called us an "insignificant nation of tribes," somewhat inferring that we had no kingdom?
I don't think you've been reading my posts correctly. I only recently started debating on the armenians. Armenians did have only few significant states, while we turks had 2 empires, and many beyliks spanning over the previous 1000 years.
@azmhyr In fact, Turkey = Muslim Greece, culturally and genetically. There is nothing Turkic in Turkey besides the language, which is really a fabrication which began with Ataturk, since the Ottoman language was almost as Arabic, Iranian and Greek as it was Turkish.
I can honestly say that the Ottoman Empire is the successor of the Byzantine Empire more than the Seljuks. Ottoman = Muslim Byzantine.
There is no such thing as a Turkic civilization in Anatolia, but rather bunch of turncoats.
@azmhyr Where are they today? Why don't you have slanted eyes? Can you answer why you would feel like a tourist if you went to Central Asia and at home if you went to a non-hostile Greece or Armenia? We share the same culture not because it's a Turkic culture, but because it's a Hellenic culture with Iranian influences. Oghuz migrations could not have outnumbered the 7000 year old civilization in Anatolia.
Well, I have slightly slanted eyes, but well, I don't actually put the turks into one specific racial stereotype. It's true that we intermarried with other people in these lands, which all contributed to our overall looks. But we come from our ancestors, the Oghuz turks. They are the ones who came here, and intermarried with the local population, and perhaps before in Iran. But that doesn't change the fact that we're part of the turkic world, and the turkic people.
According to Talat Pasha's black book, though, Turks killed 1 million Armenians in 1 year. Don't forget that the Ottoman Empire also entered the South Caucasus where they continued the genocide with their Tatar brothers (modern-day Azeris).
Also, Justing McCarthy is one of Turkey's purchases. The Armenian side says there were 2.3 million Armenians, and we have evidence to prove it.
I agree with everything except the honour killings. Turkey always blame he honour killings on the Kurds in South East, but if you just knew how a big difference there is in education and economy between South East (Kurdish areas) and West and Central Turkey, you will understand very quickly that Turkish government have made it so that it's like that. It suits them very fine, that Kurds (who are always rioting) are uneducated and poor.
STFU,Kurdish rat!Honour killing is a Kurdish tradition and if u read some newspaper,most of incest rapes happening in South-Eastern cities like Diyarbakır,Batman,Hakkari etc.Also PKK isn't freedom fighter,u kill little innocent babies like those:
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LOL everyone knows that Turkey is a terror state, ruled by a terror regime.
Maybe that's true what you said about rapes and honour killings, but that is because the terror regime of turkey has done this with purpose. There is no education, no work, no nothing in South East, more than 100,000 soldiers are there to spread fear among the Kurds.
What else do you expect then you genius?
PKK are the best freedom fighters of the world. Turkey is a failed state and Kurds will never be part of it.
You kurds are nothing but insuffrable scum, refusing to send their children to school, and refusing to adapt into modern turkish society, unless you're forced to!
Just take a look at the successful kurds who have integrated into turkish society, and the kurds who rather choose to be the medieval-minded idiots they are.
@azmhyr Yes you did. You Turks are a bunch of uncivilized wannabe Westerners. Oh please, if it wasn't for the eyes of World community monitoring Turkey, they would have exterminated the Kurds too just like they did with Armenians and Greeks. Your mentality clearly shows everyone who is a danger to humanity, Turks. "You Kurds are nothing but insuffarbale scum" lol Hey faco pig come back to earth. Your petty propaganda doesn't work on me. The PKK Kurds are the best Kurds, educated and brave.
Oh, surely, you are the most "civilized" people I've ever seen. You have nothing that you can show me as any accomplishments that the kurds attempted. They're nothing but worthless pieces of human flesh, and were used by their conquerors appropriately as border guards and shit.
And about propoganda, it's actually the reverse, your propoganda doesn't work with me, comrade.
@azmhyr Yeah, don't think you Turks stand behind the "success" of your failed shitty state. You are trash without the West. The West have given Turks progress, in return Turks give the West whatever they want, including their cheap arses.
Kurds founded their civilization thousands of years before any Turk set their foot here. In fact most TUrks are a mixture of Kurds, Armenians, Greeks and the small group of original Turkic invaders. That's why most of you aren't flat eyed like your namesakes.
@azmhyr Bravo. This is why we find it credible that Turks could have committed genocide. "You're nothing but worthless pieces of human flesh." Go on, continue to talk. You're a living proof of the genocidal mentality in Turkish culture.
Simple as this: "Accept you're a Turk, and we'll accept you. Refuse to call yourself Turk, then get the hell out of our world."
There is no "Kurds are an important minority, therefore, Turkey is a bi-ethnic nation and should have 2 official languages."
As our noble leader said. You do not "accept" anything. If you view yourself as the part of a greater good, which is the Turkish nation, you are proud to call yourself a turk. You hold your flag high, but if you burn it, you are nothing but the lowliest of scum for me. If you betray your country, then, I have no sympathy for you. Die, and I won't shed a tear for you.
@azmhyr Well, if that's those are the principles of Turkey, I'd say we have just figured out who is actually stuck in the medieval times.
I am 100% one the side of Kurds whenever it comes to saying:
"NO! I REFUSE to call myself a Turk! I am a KURD, and I live in Turkey, but I am a KURD! And if Turkey prevents ME from being a KURD in my own home, then I say, 'FUCK YOUR FLAG AND FUCK YOU.'"
If you disrespect the country, the flag, and the people living in there, you can just get out. I don't care, for you have no further value for my country anyways. Be a kurd, but if this drives you into behaving like total deviant, there is something wrong with you.
There are about a dozen other ethnicities in Turkey, besides turks and other turkic peoples, and none of them ever cause trouble, unlike you.
@azmhyr What a low way of viewing minorities. If Turkey is led by scum like you, then we don't need to ask why minorities feel mistreated in Turkey. Say Bulgaria invades the whole of Turkey today, and forces you to forget your Turkish identity, would you just say, "fine, I'm leaving my homeland then."
@donthakiller Very well said. It seems the entire Turkish naiton is against all its ethnic minorities who refuse to absorb the "Turkish" identity, just as this azmhyr proves with that dirty statement.
He makes it a requirement to enter the "Turkish society" instead of democratically allowing the Kurds to build their own modern society.
It's not because the Kurds want to be left in the medieval period. It's because their rulers don't want them to advance unless they do things their way.
@Arzive Exactly! In Turkey, you can live as a Turk (even though you're a Kurd, Armenian, Greek, Assyrian etc) in peace, or you can live as a Kurd, Greek, Armenian, Assyrian, but you will get a much harder life. This is Turkey in general.
And they make the South East poor, to mingle the Kurds with the Turks in Central and West Turkey, in order to more easily assimilate them into the Turkish society. This is their goal. They did it with the Greeks and Armenians when it was easier. Now it's harder
This is Turkey, comrade. You either integrate into Turkish society and be successful, or you can do everything in your power to distance yourself from the rest of the turkish population, dwell in your "kurdishness" and be some ignorant illiterate and dumb herdsman in the mountains. Your choice.
@azmhyr This is Turkey. Article 66 of the Turkish Constitution says that "Turk" means "a citizen of Turkey," regardless of ethnic identity. Yet the biggest problem in Turkey is the fact that people don't have the liberal freedom to be something other than an ethnic Turk. The only non-Turk minority in Turkey who don't feel mistreated are the Laz, who have been fooled into thinking they are descendants of Oghuz Turks, which means they have been Turkified, and are more nationalists than Turk!
Indeed. And I believe that it's just the right way to do things. The name "turk" does not imply on your ethnicity, it implies on your nationality. If you live in Turkey, as a turkish national, you are turk. And well, who have been fooled into believing that, huh?
The laz do not speak a language even remotely turkish. The fact that they have not distanced themselves from their turkish neighbors, and fought shoulder by shoulder with their brethren against the common foe....
@azmhyr "the name Turk does not imply on your ethnicity, it implies on your nationality." I wonder how true this is to the eyes of Armenians, Kurds and Greeks.
Even all of you against us,(Armenians,Europeans,Chinese,Russian etc.) .
We will someday join all the Asian, Middle-Eastern and African Muslims under the Turkish Umbrella from the China Wall to the Adriatic Sea to Africa ,like the Great Ottoman Empire did once,it will happen !
Don`t forget History always repeats itself,
Thats why you are so scared!!
But it will happen, God Willing.
Also look at history who did the Genocides,exterminations etc.
Rebya kadeer is ignorant ! there is cevilian law that will take care of Guangdong incidence, that's happening all over China ,where thousand had been killed from homicide, what so special do Uyghur have not to deserve this problem?
sincan, dickheads you know nothing, go and read what is sincan is,Sincan is very old Turkish tribe go and look under Oguz tribal name you will see the Sincan, today in Iran, Turkey as village or town names.
Everyone understood by now that you are a homosexual. I have nothing against it, but I'm not too interested either. So if you could just tell your parents or your lover about your homoerotic phantasies, I'd be happy.
Diyarbakir is the city where Kurds escaping from Saddam's cruelty were placed by Turgut Ozal. It's normal they support honor killings. But once they become civilized and educated, they'll stop thinking like this. They will identify themselves with Turks and they will become Turks.
Tayyipppppppppppppp, arap doluuuuuuuuuu, bu kadina Turkiyeye gelmesi icin visa vermediniz, sizin yattiginiz yeri, inanclarinizi sikeyim...Gotveren arap olsa, ermeni olsa yatak odani bile verirsin, sen TURK degilsin kanini siktigiminin
All lies again. Its the kurds who do honor killings & bcoz they have got Turkish citizenship they r named as Turks. But when iraqi kurds do honor killings they r named as iraqis.Its kurdish culture to do honor killings. There r jewish kurds, muslim kurds, yezidi kurds(they believe in the devil). & they all do honor killings.b4 u talk abt Turkiye Turks u have 2 come 2 Turkiye.
I really dislike Pan-Turkism. They are also trying to create ethnic tensions between in my home country Iran, between Azeris (people of Iranic origin speaking Turkic) and rest of Iranians. They spread horrible lies & hate.
3:58, this pan-Turk idea has a sizable fan base in Turkey. But what is amazing is that people from Turkic countries of central Asia in which people have the typical almond shape eyes & are not caucasian looking don't consider Turks and Azerbaijanis "Turkic".
In Turkey there is a wide propaganda which says Turks were "caucasians" or that Changiz khan was caucasian. I've come in contact with Uzbeks & Turkmens who DESPISE Turkish people for suggesting these things.
to a japs,the more and more richer and stronger china is a nightmare.your little island make you all have seriously insecurity feeling.even became japs peoples common mental disease-- i named it japs disease
china have many trouble,west still want to incite color-revolution in china
but i belive these trouble ,such as pan turkism uyghur terrorist mob just a little case to china.
Muslims worship Prophet Mohammad who married a 6 yr old and fucked her at 9 and called it "God's will".Tony Alamo,Texan prophet, fucked a 9 yr old girl &got jailed. Can you trust what a Child Molester says as Divine? Catholic priests who molested children warned the victims to hush or get punished by God! Mohammad created Sharia Law to silence accusers and kill them
this just proves politicians manipulates facts in order to pursuit their political goals. sometimes, they even puposlly even use certain parts of their history to create an idealistic image of a none-violent race. however, the reality is history is fill with nothing but conflicts.
eastern2western 10 months ago
its good, but if you wanted to highlight turkish hypocrisy, in terms of the "almost genocide statement, you could have posted more facts about the armenian genocide, ie: photos, documents, eyewitness testimonies, world leader going as far back as churchill, teddy roosevelt, woodrow wilson, missionary testimonies and eyewitness accounts, survivor stories and the stories of what the generations of armenians are feeling at their history being denied and even made into aggressors...
gasper47 1 year ago
I know as a chinese muslim you will support china but as a Turk myself and a non-muslim i can tell you that.. Major of arabs Turks also muslims support Uyghurs than chinese communist filth..
GrandmasterTigerfist 1 year ago
@GrandmasterTigerfist , Thanks for telling me you are non-Muslim and Turk. The Uighur affair is mostly a Pan Turkic affair, nothing to do with Muslims. Thankyou.
Maohammet 1 year ago
@Maohammet
According to muslim ummah it is..
GrandmasterTigerfist 1 year ago
@GrandmasterTigerfist , Muslims don't a a flying fcuk between Ummah and Pan-Turkism. Pan Turkism is a racist ideology that stress Turkic racial superiority. Muslims are against this ideology.
Maohammet 1 year ago
Not all muslims hates china in fact pakistan is chinas nr1 dog and while china threatnes Turkey. pakistanis allow chinese to build their bases in pakistan so they can hunt for Turks easily.. Most funny part is that pakistanis deny any kind of chinese atrocities in xinjiang..
GrandmasterTigerfist 1 year ago
@GrandmasterTigerfist Can you enlighten us how China is a threat to Turkey? And how is China's suppose opposition to Turkey constitute anti Islamic??? In fact Turkey suffers poor relationships over the past with Kurds, Iranians and Arabs over support for Israel, assimilation of Kurds etc etc. You are bullcrapping from nowhere.
Maohammet 1 year ago
@Maohammet
China to the rescue of economy hit Greece also china holding meetings with the armenians elites.. That do give some signals
GrandmasterTigerfist 1 year ago
@GrandmasterTigerfist , No, China just took advantage of cheap Greek assets, using them as a foothold to enter the EU, nothing to do with Turkey. China has always had good relations with Armenia and Azerbaijan too, nothing to do with Turkey.
Maohammet 1 year ago
@Maohammet
China is pursuing the roots of the xiniang uprising and theres no deny that huge major of pro xinjiang freedom resides in Turkey..
GrandmasterTigerfist 1 year ago
@GrandmasterTigerfist Actually, most of the pro-Xinjiang groups are based in Germany and US, not Turkey. Turkey in fact enjoys a profitable economic and military relationship with China prior to the Urumqi riots. Obviously Turkey had to do something because it thinks it is the big brother of the pan-Turks. Turkey is still a big economic partner of China today.
Maohammet 1 year ago
@GrandmasterTigerfist ,China's issues with the Uighur militants or Pan Turkic extremists have nothing to do with Islam. China have friendly relationships with many Muslim nations, including Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Iran etc etc
Maohammet 1 year ago
@Maohammet
Iran saudi arabia are just corrupt leaders even saudi and Iranians dont have any positive attitude towards the Turkic people.. If you think that china isnt less than a imperialist hunger then time will show..
GrandmasterTigerfist 1 year ago
@Maohammet
Under the chinese supression on muslims in xinjiang the biggest protest ever was in turkey and yoiu say that there isnt much xinjiang support in Turkey?
GrandmasterTigerfist 1 year ago
@GrandmasterTigerfist , China is not supressing Muslims in Xinjiang. China is concern about separatism from the Uighurs. The religion itself, Islam, is not being suppressed. As Muslims, you are free to pray and worship and China is the only country that I am aware of who have women Imams.
Maohammet 1 year ago
@GrandmasterTigerfist , And when did I say there is no support in Turkey for Uighurs. Turks support Uighurs because they think they are related as both speak a Turkic language, and also Turk believe they are big brother and protector to all Turks. Turks support Uighurs not because of religion, but because of race. Many Turk supporters of the Uighurs are in fact secular nationalists, not Muslim fundamentalists.
Maohammet 1 year ago
@Maohammet
When a muslims is at war with any non muslims then all muslims are to help the muslim.. This is why muslims have something which is called ummah.
GrandmasterTigerfist 1 year ago
@GrandmasterTigerfist That is BS, many Arabs are wary of Iranian power and even the the Uzbeks, who speak a Turkic language, don't give a tweet to the Uighurs, even though they speak closely related languages. Many Pakistani and Arab Muslims in fact sided with China, knowing the Uighurs are just pawns of the US or the Pan Turkic Turanist wet dreams of Turkey.
Maohammet 1 year ago
@Maohammet
Most arabs ( especially sunnis & wahabis) do not support a Shia state of Iran and do not forget that Iran is facing a sunni millitia against itself.. Uyghurs are fighting for their occupied land so wheter china makes fake agenda of them being CIA agents etc is totally BS.. China was never better than USA
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iluvgoldfrapp 1 year ago
Who likes Turks anyways? Look at Kyrgyzstan - Turkic Brotherhood at work.
whateverrule 1 year ago
@whateverrule Let the Kyrgyz and Uzbeks murder one another. Maybe they'll start to use biological and chemical weapons on each other. It'd be the first time in history that one group of roaches used pesticides to kill of another group of roaches.
LIbertyorDeath419 1 year ago
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poor chinese.u will understand soon.there are more muslim then chinese.and muslims are growing.and u also see what turkey have a power called ottaman(unity of muslims and ı m sure that what make u so uneasy is the idea of this).u can keep on telling lies..what ever u say u will beg for a little gas or oil. u understand now..what u have to give iran and what turkey will have soon will make u more uneasy..now u can go on killing muslims in turkistan..but this only makes us more powerful.
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vitovito123 1 year ago
poor chinese.u will understand soon.there are more muslim then chinese.and muslims are growing.and u also see what turkey have a power called ottaman(unity of muslims and ı m sure that what make u so uneasy is the idea of this).u can keep on telling lies..what ever u say u will beg for a little gas or oil. u understand now..what u have to give iran and what turkey will have soon will make u more uneasy..now u can go on killing muslims in turkistan..but this only makes us more powerful.
ridakist61 1 year ago
And well, it sure could have outnumbered the overall anatolian population. The turkic oghuz came in such masses, that they not only served the Seljuk empire, but the arabs, the crusaders, the byzantines, and practically everyone who layed with their best interests. Turkish manpower was in such an abundance that wasn't to be found in any other people in the anatolian lands. I suggest that you do some research on that.
azmhyr 1 year ago
@azmhyr A quick five minute research tells me that the Turkic migrations were somewhere around 1-2 million during the entirety of the Seljuk Empire, while the Anatolian population was 12 million.
Arzive 1 year ago
We're talking about the 10th-11th centuries. 1-2 million is a HUGE number, don't underestimate it, but don't underestimate the population of Anatolia either.
Arzive 1 year ago
Not to mention that their brave leader, Abdullah Öcalan begged a like a dog to serve "his country" on the flight back to Turkey. If he had any pride and honour in his head, he'd have put a slug into it by now, and saved us all the trouble of feeding him the food that the honest and hardworking turkish populace produces.
I hope he chokes to death.
azmhyr 1 year ago
@azmhyr I hope Ataturk burns in hell for ever.
donthakiller 1 year ago
@donthakiller
Yeah, that's the only comfort you have. Because we have a leader that was able to raise us above the lowly standarts that you still suffer because of your stupidity.
Not to mention the fact that we're inheritors of an empire that spanned over 3 continents.
You kurds were still doing your fugly wives.
azmhyr 1 year ago
@azmhyr Ottoman, that's everything you have. Listen dumb ass, Ataturk DESTROYED Ottoman and you're worshipping him like a God for that. Ataturk introduced and sold Turkey to the Western Elite.
WHat have you? You came and qonquered like savages, and forced Kurds, Greeks, Armenians and other natives to speak Turkish and call themself Turks. Half of Ottomans were Kurds.
Kurds and Persians had an empire much larger than Ottoman under Cyrus The Great and on = Medo Persia thousands of years before
donthakiller 1 year ago
@azmhyr You are speaking to a Kurd who have read his history, not a poor uneducated Kurd who have worked his child life instead of going to school. The Kurds in "turkey" North Kurdistan, are poor and illiterate because the Turkish government want them to be like that. In the end, the Kurds are 1 million times better than Turks. We haven't occupied a part of your land and tried to extinct your people, and at the same time call you terrorists for recisting. No, you're doing that to us. Dumb as ho
donthakiller 1 year ago
@donthakiller
Oh, we want them to be illiterate? With the PKK running it's rampage across the east, murdering teachers, along with the medieval minds of the rural kurds, not allowing their children to go to school, mostly their girls, forcing them, into marriage, the literacy rate does not rise in the east. Why would we want kurds to be illiterate and then accuse them of not speaking our language? It's retarted to think that.
azmhyr 1 year ago
@azmhyr That "medieval mind" was also the culture of the Turks not that long ago (less than a century, that's for sure). Why is it that Turks and Kurds who accept Turkification somehow got out of that "medieval mind", and not Kurds who want to speak Kurdish?
Arzive 1 year ago
@Arzive
Oh, when was that?
When ever did we kill our daughters when they met up with a boy?
But well, we all know well of the honour killings done by kurds both in eastern anatolia, and even in Cities like Izmir, Istanbul and Ankara, where sizable kurdish migrants work. It's a part of your culture, man. The patriarchal, macho and disrespectful, loathsome kurdish way of behaving. You need some serious fucking makeover. We tried to give it to ya. But seems like we failed.
azmhyr 1 year ago
@azmhyr Your leaders deceived Kurds 95 years ago by saying they will build a nation together: For Turks and Kurds. Once the nation was established, the entire economy was concentrated in Turkish regions, while the Kurds were left out of the government, and out of modernization, and Kurdish was even banned until the 70s. They were to be known as "Mountain Turks" (*genocide*).
You can't deprive them from the rights to modernize and then insult them for their lateness to advance.
Arzive 1 year ago
Like donthakiller said, the goal is to attract Kurds into the Turkish world, spread them, disperse them, and more easily assimilate them. Ban the Kurdish language, ban the Kurdish writing system, in short, ban the Kurdish identity, and then when they fight back, call them terrorists.
Exactly what Azerbaijanis did, and are doing, to Armenians in Karabakh.
Arzive 1 year ago
@Arzive Absolutely right. You're a very open minded person. Apero
donthakiller 1 year ago
@Arzive
Deceive? You didn't do anything! We were the ones who drove the armenoids back to the shithole they came from. All you did was to cause rebellions, both during, and after our war of independence. And eastern anatolia is in fact a part of our history aswell, along with being home to various turkish beyliks, in pre-ottoman times. The kurds were moved there Sultan Bayezid where they helped him to massacre the rouge şiite turcoman population.
azmhyr 1 year ago
@azmhyr You can compare modern Kurds and Armenians to the Scots in the movie "Braveheart," and Turks to the English. Pay close attention to the way the English population react to William Wallace during the execution at the end. You're as brainwashed by your state as they are by their kingdom. If you knew exactly what our (and Kurds') fedayee fought for, you'd respect them, just as you'd respect William Wallace.
To you, they're savage terrorists. To us, they are our fearless freedom fighters.
Arzive 1 year ago
@Arzive
That's all you can come up with. I'm being brainwashed. And I'm denying the PKK their rightful glory, because I'm being brainwashed while they're the real heroes, and we turks are the murderers, mongols, roots of all evil, etc. And I never said that they were savage. They're just terrorists. And rightfully so, because not only they take up arms against our goverment, while they are not a goverment themselves, they also attack civillians as far as in Istanbul.
azmhyr 1 year ago
@azmhyr Easy to say this when you have no idea what the Turkish government/soldiers have done to them. It's not like some random Kurds got up one day and decided, "I'm going to bomb some Turks."
All you can come up with is, "that's all you can come up with." Think about it, maybe I come up with that because it's true?
Arzive 1 year ago
they must do their self-critisism first for their past and current invasions and genocides and then and only then they can speak for their uyghur "brothers", kurds for example have no right for a Kurdistan but uyghurs according to turks do need to "set free" from china, hypocrites!
holyfuk1 1 year ago 2
turks are nothing but rats
holyfuk1 1 year ago
I know we can't trust Turkey , but Xinjiang Riots are facts and must be heard .
sunkhirous 1 year ago
That's how you are. Before you repeat what you say, why don't you debunk Talat pasha's black book? Why don't you argue with me instead of simply repeating the same blatant bullshit you always do.
If we're going to talk in terms of historians, there are more than 20 times more historians who deem it a genocide than those who don't. That's quality WITH quantity: international genocide organizations recognize it as well. All nations involved in the Ottoman empire also (ally Germany, too)
Arzive 1 year ago
Before Erdogan begins to accuse others of genocide, he should settle their "almost genocide" of Kurds.
/watch?v=vstahI3_O-4
Arzive 1 year ago
Turkey fighting genocide is like a thief fighting thievery.
Arzive 1 year ago
Turkish hypocrisy is so thick you can practically cut it with a knife.
AustralianBlitz 1 year ago
Uygurs are turkic and see them selves turkish brother hood
C* for ever
fkxp 1 year ago
LOL,Turkish goverment doesn't slay people,u fetus eater chink rat...We only slay PKK terrorists and we slayed Armenian Tashnak rebels and greek army,who invaded Anatolia without any reason and killed innocent people!Also there were 1,2 million armenians in Anatolia(Justin McCarthy proved that :]),how could we kill 1,5 million Armenians,LMFAO!Also honour killing is a Kurdish tradition,not Turkish!
KipchakTegin 1 year ago
You lier, everything with you Turks are lies or hypocrosy. You cry because the Chinese government called Uygurs for terrorists, of course I am not a braindead Turkish monkey. Unlike you, I have an open mind and I am decent, I know what is right and what is wrong and I am neutral. I don't spread lies just because I am partial like you. The Uygurs are victims of China JUST LIKE the Kurds are victims of Turkey. Uygurs and Kurds will be free one day from Chinese and Turkish state terrorism.
donthakiller 1 year ago
Is Turkey terror state?Well,we have never been racist(but we had to be!)against Kurds,even we had a half-Kurdish president,Özal!Also especially Erdoğan works for south-eastern cities,he makes everything for u,whereas they don't work for Northern and Black Sea Region cities!In Artvin,ppl don't have bridges between hills and they made a simple bridge for themselves!Also PKK is terrorist.U kurds are the worst minority,I have both Albanian and Georgian relatives and they are loyal Turk citizens!
KipchakTegin 1 year ago
Yes Turkey is the worst terror state in the entire world today. Listen to yourselfe. Any decent and civilized human being would laugh of your petty arguements. The "half Kurdish" president was a traitor, he was not Kurdish, he can be Turkish, we don't want him to be Kurdish.
Erdogan makes everything for us? Mate wtf is your problem? Are you blind or do you get satisfied by lying? You can not name your child a Kurdish name. Yes Erdogan made a dam to destroy our 10,000 year old city Hesenkeyfa.
donthakiller 1 year ago
Worst terror state?!?Erdoğan does nothing for Northern or Central Turkey,have u ever seen villages of Yozgat,Aksaray,Artvin or Erzurum?!?Whereas he works for u,because of his Kurdish wife!Also Özal worked for u,Kurds too!Only Atatürk and Ecevit didn't work for u in Turkish history!
Also we Turks will hate u,till u'll be a loyal minority like lovely Albanians,Lazes,Georgians,Adyghes or Lezginkas in Turkey!
KipchakTegin 1 year ago
Watch what your angelic nation does to its people.
watch?v=vstahI3_O-4
Now, say that boy did something bad, did he deserve a beating by 15 policemen when he's completely helpless? What about those women and children? What did they do to deserve this? PKK is what prevents kurds from living the same fate as Armenians.
There is only one law and one religion in Turkey:
Be a TURK, and be a kemalist.
Otherwise, shut up or get out. This has been the way since 1914.
Arzive 1 year ago
@Arzive Kurds are subhumans,child molesters,drug sellers and terrorists,like gypsies in Eastern Europe or niggers in the USA.Also Justin McCarthy is a serious professor,and if u check ottoman statics,there were less than 1,2 million armenians in anatolia...And if u support Kurds,also support Chechens in Russia,Uyghurs in China,Albanians in Kosova and West Thracian Turks in Greece.
KipchakTegin 1 year ago
Also, I'm very curious to know if you actually watched the video. One nation's "terrorists" are another's freedom fighters. Kurds were left in the dark from the world. They were kept poor and uneducated purposely so that Turks stay superior to them. That and many other reasons allowed them to demand justice. I don't know about Uyghurs, nor Albanians in Kosovo, nor West Thracians. If I did, and they were freedom fighters, I probably would support them.
Arzive 1 year ago
But let me return that argument against you: don't you support Uygurs, Albanians in Kosovo, Chechens in Russia and Thracian Turks in Greece? Then if you support them, you must support Kurds.
Arzive 1 year ago
@Arzive
No, we don't. Kurds were never seperate, while eastern Turkestan was only recently invaded by the chinese, along with Tibet, who also was independant. Not to mention that the Chinese have absolutely no right to claims on those lands, as we do.
Turks have lived in eastern Anatolia ever since they got there, and have built many monuments in their own honour, while the kurds have nothing to show in comparison. They came to anatolia along with us, not before us.
azmhyr 1 year ago
@azmhyr That's false information. Kurds have lived in the region for as long as the Medians invaded it sometime around the 6th century BC, in a province almost exclusively ruled by Armenia called "Gordyene" until the Roman & Parthian empire divided Armenia in two (Western/Eastern as it is still today). They have been in the region almost 1500 years prior to Turks, but it is true they never became independent.
Arzive 1 year ago
I'll respond to you later.
azmhyr 1 year ago
@Arzive We have been independent many times. That's just a cheap baseless arguement for our enemies to use, to convince people that we are not suitable to run our own state. Kurds re united the Median nations, and formed their own independent empire about 2,600 - 2,700 years ago after defeating the Assyrians together with the Babylonians.
The Karduchis you mention or the people of Karda as the SUmerians called them, or the people of Beth Qardu as the Assyrians called them were semi independent.
donthakiller 1 year ago
@donthakiller I don't think it's worth arguing about this here, but it's hard to believe that Kurds were "Medians." Atropatene (real Azerbaijanis, not fake republic) were also Medians, but they're not Kurds.
Kurds branched off from Medians, just as Armenians branched off from Urartu, and Ottomans branched off from Seljuks.
Therefore, Kurds ARE Medians, but Medians are NOT Kurds. Armenians ARE Urartians, but Urartians were NOT Armenians. Ottomans were Seljuks, but Seljuks weren't Ottomans.
Arzive 1 year ago
@Arzive YEah I think my other post can explain this. Azeris and Lurs also have Median ancestors. Kurds have PARTLY Median ancestors, not exlusively.
donthakiller 1 year ago
@Arzive
Your history is poor. Ottomans weren't Seljuks. Seljuks were of the Kınık tribe of the Oghuz, while the Ottomans were from the Kayı tribe of the Oghuz. The Seljuks did not exist as a political entity at the time of the ottomans, there were several turkish beyliks around, when the Ottomans existed. I am descended from the karamanoğlu beylik, and the crimean tatars of ukraine. Meaning I also have kipchak blood in me.
azmhyr 1 year ago
@azmhyr My point was that without the Seljuks, there would be no Ottomans, just as without the Medians, there would be no Kurds.
Arzive 1 year ago
@donthakiller Sorry, I meant "It's hard to believe Medians were Kurds." Kurds ARE Medians.
Arzive 1 year ago
@Arzive
Nope, they are not medians. Medians are an iranian people. Kurds are an iranian people. Scythians are an iranian people. Does that make medians scythians?
Or scythians kurds? No. If you are medians, why do you call yourself kurds?
azmhyr 1 year ago
@azmhyr Scythians have nothing to do with Iranians, or rather, part of them later became part of the Iranians. Scythians are a random Indo-European people who originally lived somewhere around modern-day Kazakhstan and Russia.
The first Iranian empire was that of Media, and Kurds settled/amalgamated under the Medians. Medians are Iranian peoples, and Kurds are branched off from Medians. Therefore, Iranian > Median > Kurd.
Arzive 1 year ago
@Arzive
Scythians are iranian peoples. Just like you kurds. Kurds arrived along with our hordes. Not with the medians. Medians are an ancient people. You however are not.
azmhyr 1 year ago
@donthakiller
Many?
When? When exactly? When exactly do I hear the word "kurd" being mentioned in any historical world maps? The medes were unfortunate to share the same region that you live in today, because you seem to be exploiting them to forge yourself a non-existent history. Face it. You're nothing but sorts of persians that lived somewhere in Iran before we picked you up, and brought you to Anatolia.
azmhyr 1 year ago
@azmhyr When exactly? I suggest you open up Wikipedia or any history book lying around and turn to a page where it shows the Roman Empire at its peak somewhere around the 1st century and look closely to the small region under Armenia. "Gordyene" or "Cordyene." As I mentioned earliere, -ene is a hellenic suffix, while -stan is an Iranian suffix. Cordyene = [Cordystan]Kurdistan
Arzive 1 year ago
In fact, a region called "Kurti" existed within Urartu before any Median invasion.
Arzive 1 year ago
In fact, there is a region in Urartu called "Kurti" just south of lake Van. Of course, there is no evidence to back this, but they may have been Medianized indigenous peoples of the region of "Kurti" which became known as Gordyene and Cordyene with the adoption of the Hellenic "-ene" suffix, and finally Kurdistan with the adoption of the Iranian "-stan" suffix.
Kurds are actually our indigenous regional brothers along with Assyrians, Greeks and Georgians, despite our past conflicts.
Arzive 1 year ago
@Arzive It's logical thinking. Most likely it was something in that direction.
Indeed, Kurds are not a homogenous group. It is beleived that they have several different ancestors. Some from Anatolia and Armenia region, some from Mesopotamia (most likely Assyrians who lived in the North) and some from Iran (Medes in particular). Also there is beleived to have possibly Hittite and Hurrian ancestors. But just like many Kurds Armenians etc became Turks and speak Turkish, those groups Medo/Iranified
donthakiller 1 year ago
@donthakiller There is no such thing as a homogenous group in reality. Urartu was a federation of many tribes. Medians and Scythians destroyed the Urartian monarchy, and Armenians were promoted to nobility (somewhat, since early Armenian kings were identified as Medians, not Armenians).
Imagine if the Turkish government falls, and its Kurdish minority takes over the government, and makes Kurdish the official language, and merges its ethnic groups. That's what happened in Urartu/Armenia.
Arzive 1 year ago
@Arzive I see. I am just proud of our entire region. From Mesopotamia to Armenia, from Iran to Anatolia, the history is amazing.
donthakiller 1 year ago
@donthakiller Our region is the cradle of civilization. Sumerians referred to their ancestral lands as Arrata (which was in the north), which some historians associate with Urartu, Urashtu, Ararat. If that is so, Eastern Anatolia/Caucasus (aka Armenia) is the cradle of the cradle of civilization.
Arzive 1 year ago
The Middle East is where civilization began, and it was one of the major centres of civilizations until the barbarian nomadic Turks invaded it and destroyed it (these are recorded facts that Turks can't even deny: they were the destroyers of civilization until the later period of the Ottoman Empire).
The cradle of civilization is home to all current ethnic groups living in it today, except for Turks.
Arzive 1 year ago
@Arzive That can be argued with my part of the region South Kurdistan(Kordestana Bashur)/Assyria (Ashur) or better known as Northern Iraq these days.
New research points out more and more that it was actualy North Iraq the first civilizations emerged, and not SOuth (Sumer) which they have beleived until now. It does kind of make sence too, if you think about this that the first temple of Ashur was built there almost 7,000 years ago and that the Assyrians are still a nation almost 7,000 years no
donthakiller 1 year ago
Arzive 1 year ago
@Arzive And by the way, try explaining that to the Assyrians on youtube who are obsessed with their "homogenity".
donthakiller 1 year ago
@donthakiller Well, I don't know about the conflicts between Assyrians and Kurds all that much, and I'd rather not take sides. Assyrians are even more threatened than us Armenians to turn their last pages of history, since 1915. Let's not let them disappear like the Pontic Greeks.
There is only one thing we can be sure of: we don't have the luxury to fight each other. Armenians, Kurds, Assyrians and Greeks must cooperate if we are to realize our dreams of restoring our decimated/stolen nations.
Arzive 1 year ago
@Arzive You're absolutely right aper. I can't say anything against that. I feel for the Assyrians, but I just think they need to be wiser on who they regard as friends (Arabs) and enemies (Kurds) in general. Not all Assyrians are anti Kurds. I have some Assyrians married into the family, my fathers best friend is Assyrians etc.
I need to go now, it was a pleasure conversating with you. Have a nice day and hangistutoun.
donthakiller 1 year ago
@donthakiller I was about to leave as well. Thank you for this pleasant conversation :)
As a last word from me: I wish for your independence from Iraq (if that's in your favor), and hope both of you can live side by side with Assyrians as a bi-ethnic nation. Let's not be like Turkey. South Kurdistan/Assyria should be prosperous for Kurds and Assyrians alike, as they are both indigenous to the region (unlike Turks & Arabs).
Arzive 1 year ago
@Arzive
That's all you can do. Imagine. I imagine that you will once finally realize that you don't amount to nothing, and finally give this stupid dream up.
azmhyr 1 year ago
@azmhyr Blockaded on its two largest borders by with two hostile nations, one non-supportive in the North, and one supportive in the South until religion is implicated, we still manage to somewhat prosper. If given a chance, and the amount of time Turkey had to become a democracy since 1923, you'd see how ignorant your "nothing" is.
Armenians win always against all odds, just as in Karabakh. That's why Turkey resorted to genocide.
Arzive 1 year ago
@Arzive
Oh sure. If we would have wanted to wipe out the armenoid race, we'd have wiped them off of the surface of the map. There wouldn't be one armenian standing alive. But look at you now. Strong diaspora, keeping the paltry land you call a country alive. You are not worth exterminating.
azmhyr 1 year ago
@azmhyr You DID wipe out all Armenians where your control reached: look at Eastern Anatolia.
Arzive 1 year ago
@Arzive
That again?
Well, I believe you already know my viewpoint on that. I think that we just exiled you from there. I'd compare it to ethnic cleansing, but no genocide.
azmhyr 1 year ago
@azmhyr On the other hand, giant Turkey with giant population and giant economy still needs to ask permission from big baba USA to make weapons or enter Iraq. Turkey is the most suck-up superpower in the world.
Let me tell you why: Turkey is a puppet nation created by the Western world after the collapse of Ottoman. But to make you understand this, I must undo the heavy brainwash caused by Kemalism, which is close to impossible, especially coming from an Armenian.
Arzive 1 year ago
@Arzive
And how was it created, I ask you?
azmhyr 1 year ago
@azmhyr Mustafa Kemal Ataturk rose, not from the ashes of Ottoman, but as a puppet by the Western world. The moment Ataturk rose, Russia, France, England, USA etc. all supported the successor of their Ottomans enemy, Turkey. Ataturk became a national hero through heavy propaganda, when in reality, all he did was set the standard for kissing western butt. This is really just a simple explanation, I don't have to explain more, you can pretty much guess the rest.
Arzive 1 year ago
@Arzive
Oh well, I don't think that Ataturk's biography does match your claims. We had only one and one supporter. And that was the soviet union of that time which supplied us with arms. And it's the soviet union that held whatever land was in your grasp at that time.
Blaming Atatürk, saying that he was a puppet or whatever you want to call him, isn't going to change the fact that he's not involved in anything but the resitance against the imperialistic powers. I do view him as a hero.
azmhyr 1 year ago
@Arzive
Well, even if, I don't think that you were any centralised entity at any time, man. Even now, you are tribal, and your tribal bickerings go back as far as the Turks first met you.
I'm really curious what your opinions about greater armenia is, however. If I'd absolutely have to, I'd support a greater armenia, over a greater kurdistan, no matter how much I fucking hate those armenian furballs, I believe that they deserve it more than you ever do.
azmhyr 1 year ago
@azmhyr You don't need my opinion for "Greater Armenia." You can buy some history books and read some ancient inscriptions by individuals such as Herodotus, who mention "Greater Armenia." In fact, you can open up any history book you want and look at the Roman Empire at its peak to know exactly what my opinion of Greater Armenia is based on.
Arzive 1 year ago
@Arzive
Greater Armenia encompasses the region called kurdistan. Not all of it perhaps, but the lot of eastern anatolia is shown by armenian nationalists to be within the borders of greater armenia. The fact that the armenians were scattered, and never a majority in those lands after we settled the scene, doesn't change anything.
azmhyr 1 year ago
@azmhyr The fact that the region was still inhabited by at least a 50% Armenian population (Van, Erzurum/Garin, etc.) does change something. The fact that everything in the region was built by Armenians and destroyed by Turks/Kurds, also changes something. The fact that most of the region's names are of Armenian origin also changes something. The fact that Armenians, establishing the first kingdom in the region and not a single living there today also changes something.
Arzive 1 year ago
@Arzive
Look, dude.
I really don't care who was there or who built shit.
We came, we saw, we conquered. It's as simple as that.
If you have an army and population that can best ours, try to do it. AS you said, like you did it with Karabagh.
azmhyr 1 year ago
@azmhyr You came, you saw, you conquered. There's nothing we disagree there. But in the 19th-2th centuries, when all nations under your arms broke away from you, Armenians, the last in line to do so, attempted to do the same, but this time, you went beyond the level of simply conquering, you destroyed an entire nation. You might not care about this, but we do, and we want our homes back.
Don't worry, we will. When the time is right, Western Armenia will be liberated, it's just a matter of time.
Arzive 1 year ago
@azmhyr You can believe those ancient inscriptions or not, that's up to you, but there is one thing you can't deny, Greater Armenia was a unified civilization before the earliest mention of the word "turk" in historical records thus far (which is in fact, in a Chinese inscription). Considering this and the thousand year barbaric nomadism in Turks that followed the earliest mention of the word "turk," you can see whether or not they were a "great civilization."
Arzive 1 year ago
@Arzive
Who cares if it was. I didn't say that we are natives to the lands of anatolia, but I'm simply stating that you too, aren't. You think of yourself as having a 5000 year old history in the region. You're all fooling yourself. You're one of the unimportant ethnicities in the middle east, as you were as always, with no real power, and no history of any country that you might have laid the foundations of.
azmhyr 1 year ago
@azmhyr Yes, that's what you'd like to believe because you see us as enemies. That's not what ancient historians/inscriptions indicate. Before Armenia was defeated by being attacked on both sides (Parthia & Rome), Armenia was a regional superpower. Armenia was the defender of smaller states such as Pontus/Trebizond, Iberia, Colchis, Arran, and at its peak, its military might reached to the other side of Iran. We're talking ~2000 years ago, though.
Arzive 1 year ago
@azmhyr I'd like you to do some research about Byzantine emperors of Armenian origin. Or I'd like you to do some research on why Byzantine was invaded by the Caliphate in the Middle East. You're talking blatantly. Armenia was a relatively mediocre superpower in the ancient world, and a basic kingdom afterward (not insignificant like you'd like to believe). The first to have completely destroyed the Armenian nobility (aka "destroyed the kingdom") is the Seljuk Empire.
Arzive 1 year ago
@Arzive
I know that Armenia had some sort of an Empire back in the ancient days, but well, to be honest, the only other state that you've founded a while later in the middle ages was cilician armenia, I believe, a crusader state, or something.
That too didn't stand too long after the eurofags left the scene.
azmhyr 1 year ago
@azmhyr Aaah, so now we had some "sort of Empire" and a "crusader state." Remember when you called us an "insignificant nation of tribes," somewhat inferring that we had no kingdom?
Arzive 1 year ago
@Arzive
I used that for the kurds.
I don't think you've been reading my posts correctly. I only recently started debating on the armenians. Armenians did have only few significant states, while we turks had 2 empires, and many beyliks spanning over the previous 1000 years.
azmhyr 1 year ago
@azmhyr I think you were reading my posts incorrectly. I think you thought I was a Kurd all along. I'm an Armenian.
Arzive 1 year ago
In any case, it was nice discussing with you. I have to leave for now.
Arzive 1 year ago
@azmhyr In fact, Turkey = Muslim Greece, culturally and genetically. There is nothing Turkic in Turkey besides the language, which is really a fabrication which began with Ataturk, since the Ottoman language was almost as Arabic, Iranian and Greek as it was Turkish.
I can honestly say that the Ottoman Empire is the successor of the Byzantine Empire more than the Seljuks. Ottoman = Muslim Byzantine.
There is no such thing as a Turkic civilization in Anatolia, but rather bunch of turncoats.
Arzive 1 year ago
@Arzive
Well, I don't think I agree with you there.
Ottoman Turkish was the language of the administration. Regular turkish was still used by the common folk of anatolia, balkans, iraq and etc.
The Ottoman empire is not the successor to the byzantine empire. Although Mehmed the conqueror took up the title of ceasar, his successors did not.
And yes indeed there is a turkic civilisation in Anatolia. An immense migration of oghuz turks took place about a 1000 years ago.
azmhyr 1 year ago
@azmhyr Where are they today? Why don't you have slanted eyes? Can you answer why you would feel like a tourist if you went to Central Asia and at home if you went to a non-hostile Greece or Armenia? We share the same culture not because it's a Turkic culture, but because it's a Hellenic culture with Iranian influences. Oghuz migrations could not have outnumbered the 7000 year old civilization in Anatolia.
Arzive 1 year ago
@Arzive
Well, I have slightly slanted eyes, but well, I don't actually put the turks into one specific racial stereotype. It's true that we intermarried with other people in these lands, which all contributed to our overall looks. But we come from our ancestors, the Oghuz turks. They are the ones who came here, and intermarried with the local population, and perhaps before in Iran. But that doesn't change the fact that we're part of the turkic world, and the turkic people.
azmhyr 1 year ago
@azmhyr True. But the only thing Turkic left in you is your language. Nothing else.
Arzive 1 year ago
According to Talat Pasha's black book, though, Turks killed 1 million Armenians in 1 year. Don't forget that the Ottoman Empire also entered the South Caucasus where they continued the genocide with their Tatar brothers (modern-day Azeris).
Also, Justing McCarthy is one of Turkey's purchases. The Armenian side says there were 2.3 million Armenians, and we have evidence to prove it.
Talat Pasha reveals 1 million dead by 1916.
1.5 Million Armenians died by 1923.
Arzive 1 year ago
I agree with everything except the honour killings. Turkey always blame he honour killings on the Kurds in South East, but if you just knew how a big difference there is in education and economy between South East (Kurdish areas) and West and Central Turkey, you will understand very quickly that Turkish government have made it so that it's like that. It suits them very fine, that Kurds (who are always rioting) are uneducated and poor.
Free Kurdistan!!!! PKK = Freedom activists
Turkey = terror
donthakiller 2 years ago 7
STFU,Kurdish rat!Honour killing is a Kurdish tradition and if u read some newspaper,most of incest rapes happening in South-Eastern cities like Diyarbakır,Batman,Hakkari etc.Also PKK isn't freedom fighter,u kill little innocent babies like those:
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KipchakTegin 1 year ago
LOL everyone knows that Turkey is a terror state, ruled by a terror regime.
Maybe that's true what you said about rapes and honour killings, but that is because the terror regime of turkey has done this with purpose. There is no education, no work, no nothing in South East, more than 100,000 soldiers are there to spread fear among the Kurds.
What else do you expect then you genius?
PKK are the best freedom fighters of the world. Turkey is a failed state and Kurds will never be part of it.
donthakiller 1 year ago
@donthakiller
We made it like that?
You kurds are nothing but insuffrable scum, refusing to send their children to school, and refusing to adapt into modern turkish society, unless you're forced to!
Just take a look at the successful kurds who have integrated into turkish society, and the kurds who rather choose to be the medieval-minded idiots they are.
azmhyr 1 year ago
@azmhyr Yes you did. You Turks are a bunch of uncivilized wannabe Westerners. Oh please, if it wasn't for the eyes of World community monitoring Turkey, they would have exterminated the Kurds too just like they did with Armenians and Greeks. Your mentality clearly shows everyone who is a danger to humanity, Turks. "You Kurds are nothing but insuffarbale scum" lol Hey faco pig come back to earth. Your petty propaganda doesn't work on me. The PKK Kurds are the best Kurds, educated and brave.
donthakiller 1 year ago
@donthakiller
Oh, surely, you are the most "civilized" people I've ever seen. You have nothing that you can show me as any accomplishments that the kurds attempted. They're nothing but worthless pieces of human flesh, and were used by their conquerors appropriately as border guards and shit.
And about propoganda, it's actually the reverse, your propoganda doesn't work with me, comrade.
Educated and brave, sure sure.
azmhyr 1 year ago
@azmhyr Yeah, don't think you Turks stand behind the "success" of your failed shitty state. You are trash without the West. The West have given Turks progress, in return Turks give the West whatever they want, including their cheap arses.
Kurds founded their civilization thousands of years before any Turk set their foot here. In fact most TUrks are a mixture of Kurds, Armenians, Greeks and the small group of original Turkic invaders. That's why most of you aren't flat eyed like your namesakes.
donthakiller 1 year ago
@azmhyr Bravo. This is why we find it credible that Turks could have committed genocide. "You're nothing but worthless pieces of human flesh." Go on, continue to talk. You're a living proof of the genocidal mentality in Turkish culture.
Simple as this: "Accept you're a Turk, and we'll accept you. Refuse to call yourself Turk, then get the hell out of our world."
There is no "Kurds are an important minority, therefore, Turkey is a bi-ethnic nation and should have 2 official languages."
Arzive 1 year ago
@Arzive
As our noble leader said. You do not "accept" anything. If you view yourself as the part of a greater good, which is the Turkish nation, you are proud to call yourself a turk. You hold your flag high, but if you burn it, you are nothing but the lowliest of scum for me. If you betray your country, then, I have no sympathy for you. Die, and I won't shed a tear for you.
azmhyr 1 year ago
@azmhyr Well, if that's those are the principles of Turkey, I'd say we have just figured out who is actually stuck in the medieval times.
I am 100% one the side of Kurds whenever it comes to saying:
"NO! I REFUSE to call myself a Turk! I am a KURD, and I live in Turkey, but I am a KURD! And if Turkey prevents ME from being a KURD in my own home, then I say, 'FUCK YOUR FLAG AND FUCK YOU.'"
Arzive 1 year ago
@Arzive
If you disrespect the country, the flag, and the people living in there, you can just get out. I don't care, for you have no further value for my country anyways. Be a kurd, but if this drives you into behaving like total deviant, there is something wrong with you.
There are about a dozen other ethnicities in Turkey, besides turks and other turkic peoples, and none of them ever cause trouble, unlike you.
azmhyr 1 year ago
@azmhyr What a low way of viewing minorities. If Turkey is led by scum like you, then we don't need to ask why minorities feel mistreated in Turkey. Say Bulgaria invades the whole of Turkey today, and forces you to forget your Turkish identity, would you just say, "fine, I'm leaving my homeland then."
Arzive 1 year ago
@donthakiller Very well said. It seems the entire Turkish naiton is against all its ethnic minorities who refuse to absorb the "Turkish" identity, just as this azmhyr proves with that dirty statement.
He makes it a requirement to enter the "Turkish society" instead of democratically allowing the Kurds to build their own modern society.
It's not because the Kurds want to be left in the medieval period. It's because their rulers don't want them to advance unless they do things their way.
Arzive 1 year ago
@Arzive Exactly! In Turkey, you can live as a Turk (even though you're a Kurd, Armenian, Greek, Assyrian etc) in peace, or you can live as a Kurd, Greek, Armenian, Assyrian, but you will get a much harder life. This is Turkey in general.
And they make the South East poor, to mingle the Kurds with the Turks in Central and West Turkey, in order to more easily assimilate them into the Turkish society. This is their goal. They did it with the Greeks and Armenians when it was easier. Now it's harder
donthakiller 1 year ago
@donthakiller
This is Turkey, comrade. You either integrate into Turkish society and be successful, or you can do everything in your power to distance yourself from the rest of the turkish population, dwell in your "kurdishness" and be some ignorant illiterate and dumb herdsman in the mountains. Your choice.
azmhyr 1 year ago
@azmhyr This is Turkey. Article 66 of the Turkish Constitution says that "Turk" means "a citizen of Turkey," regardless of ethnic identity. Yet the biggest problem in Turkey is the fact that people don't have the liberal freedom to be something other than an ethnic Turk. The only non-Turk minority in Turkey who don't feel mistreated are the Laz, who have been fooled into thinking they are descendants of Oghuz Turks, which means they have been Turkified, and are more nationalists than Turk!
Arzive 1 year ago
@Arzive
Indeed. And I believe that it's just the right way to do things. The name "turk" does not imply on your ethnicity, it implies on your nationality. If you live in Turkey, as a turkish national, you are turk. And well, who have been fooled into believing that, huh?
The laz do not speak a language even remotely turkish. The fact that they have not distanced themselves from their turkish neighbors, and fought shoulder by shoulder with their brethren against the common foe....
azmhyr 1 year ago
@azmhyr "the name Turk does not imply on your ethnicity, it implies on your nationality." I wonder how true this is to the eyes of Armenians, Kurds and Greeks.
Arzive 1 year ago
@azmhyr Mind you, some Laz have woken up. I'd like you to meet one I know: workergirls (YT user). Ask her how she feels about Turkish "democracy" ;)
Arzive 1 year ago
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Even all of you against us,(Armenians,Europeans,Chinese,Russian etc.) .
We will someday join all the Asian, Middle-Eastern and African Muslims under the Turkish Umbrella from the China Wall to the Adriatic Sea to Africa ,like the Great Ottoman Empire did once,it will happen !
Don`t forget History always repeats itself,
Thats why you are so scared!!
But it will happen, God Willing.
Also look at history who did the Genocides,exterminations etc.
Be Just and Truthful,Please!
BAYBARSBEY 2 years ago
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miighankurt 2 years ago
what can u expect from turks....they massacred armenians,assyrians,greeks n kurds and denied all of it.
and now they claim china is commiting "almost genocide" in xinjiang.
these turks seriously are two-faced and a serious menace to world peace.
and they keep wondering why they cant get into EU......
gengar77 2 years ago 6
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miighankurt 2 years ago
Rebya kadeer is ignorant ! there is cevilian law that will take care of Guangdong incidence, that's happening all over China ,where thousand had been killed from homicide, what so special do Uyghur have not to deserve this problem?
MrPokerman5250 2 years ago 5
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miighankurt 2 years ago
fuck me?sorry im not gay....i wish u all the luck in finding an ass to fuck.
be sure to wear a condom to prevent the spread of your stupidity.
gengar77 2 years ago 6
sincan, dickheads you know nothing, go and read what is sincan is,Sincan is very old Turkish tribe go and look under Oguz tribal name you will see the Sincan, today in Iran, Turkey as village or town names.
Karachay1 2 years ago
Turks are racist all over the world. No country today is so dangerous.
M4rsu 2 years ago 3
m4rsu I bet you got fucked in your ass by some1 turkish lmao
miighankurt 2 years ago
Please don't bother me with yoru homoereotic phantasies, turkish nazi.
M4rsu 2 years ago 6
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miighankurt 2 years ago
Everyone understood by now that you are a homosexual. I have nothing against it, but I'm not too interested either. So if you could just tell your parents or your lover about your homoerotic phantasies, I'd be happy.
M4rsu 2 years ago 7
I wonder, if the Turks oppose Kurdis separatists in their own country, then they should not support separatism in other contries, shouldn't they?
theboyuan0jcfan 2 years ago 2
yes but Tibet and Eastern Turkistan are not china they are occupied by China, you dumbass lmao
miighankurt 2 years ago
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in europe they kill all there famely members before comiting suicide.
belgium is the worst country,
a flemish mother killed all her 5 children,the oldest was 14 the youngest 2
this racist video dousen't say anything about Turk or Turkiye,but it says everything about you and your racist views.
did my ancestors fucked yours to?
i bet they did,all this hate ,man man man this can't be healthy .
p.s. the armenian genolie is a huge myth, if you have any proof the go the UN court in holland.
CadVentor 2 years ago
Diyarbakir is the city where Kurds escaping from Saddam's cruelty were placed by Turgut Ozal. It's normal they support honor killings. But once they become civilized and educated, they'll stop thinking like this. They will identify themselves with Turks and they will become Turks.
ancalimonungol 2 years ago
turks fucked all your mothers
craziman1989 2 years ago 2
Tayyipppppppppppppp, arap doluuuuuuuuuu, bu kadina Turkiyeye gelmesi icin visa vermediniz, sizin yattiginiz yeri, inanclarinizi sikeyim...Gotveren arap olsa, ermeni olsa yatak odani bile verirsin, sen TURK degilsin kanini siktigiminin
basbugataturk01 2 years ago
Turks are coming. you chiese runnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn
basbugataturk01 2 years ago
We are waiting for you. LOL! Let's see who will kick arse.
Maohammet 2 years ago
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Rotemetoot 2 years ago
@basbugataturk01
I remember you Turks was kicked ass by Chinese in Korea.
highspe02 1 year ago
We are coming, we gonna fuck all chinese ass. Chinese........................build more walls assholessssssssssssssssssssssss
basbugataturk01 2 years ago
All lies again. Its the kurds who do honor killings & bcoz they have got Turkish citizenship they r named as Turks. But when iraqi kurds do honor killings they r named as iraqis.Its kurdish culture to do honor killings. There r jewish kurds, muslim kurds, yezidi kurds(they believe in the devil). & they all do honor killings.b4 u talk abt Turkiye Turks u have 2 come 2 Turkiye.
poyraz100 2 years ago
I really dislike Pan-Turkism. They are also trying to create ethnic tensions between in my home country Iran, between Azeris (people of Iranic origin speaking Turkic) and rest of Iranians. They spread horrible lies & hate.
ybyjasmine 2 years ago 5
3:58, this pan-Turk idea has a sizable fan base in Turkey. But what is amazing is that people from Turkic countries of central Asia in which people have the typical almond shape eyes & are not caucasian looking don't consider Turks and Azerbaijanis "Turkic".
In Turkey there is a wide propaganda which says Turks were "caucasians" or that Changiz khan was caucasian. I've come in contact with Uzbeks & Turkmens who DESPISE Turkish people for suggesting these things.
ybyjasmine 2 years ago
anti turkish propaganda... really nice..
fucking populist idiots
alperenocak01 2 years ago 2
SIGNALFIRE99
i am not feel accidents about a japs view.
to a japs,the more and more richer and stronger china is a nightmare.your little island make you all have seriously insecurity feeling.even became japs peoples common mental disease-- i named it japs disease
china have many trouble,west still want to incite color-revolution in china
but i belive these trouble ,such as pan turkism uyghur terrorist mob just a little case to china.
chinafuckturkpig 2 years ago
it cant overthrow ccp ,in fact,it make more and more chinese stand with our ccp asshole gov .
in the sad incident. west media filled of bias report make themself lose the public credibility in china.
chinafuckturkpig 2 years ago 3
Muslims worship Prophet Mohammad who married a 6 yr old and fucked her at 9 and called it "God's will".Tony Alamo,Texan prophet, fucked a 9 yr old girl &got jailed. Can you trust what a Child Molester says as Divine? Catholic priests who molested children warned the victims to hush or get punished by God! Mohammad created Sharia Law to silence accusers and kill them