I will point out, just since i'm a nerd, it is impossible to create a utopia because by definition, a utopia is a "no place". A perfect no place is a eutopia and and horrible no place is a dystopia. It is just a pet peeve of mine when it is used incorrectly.
Please don't insult people with autism by saying they're "retarded" or even confused as someone who was retarded. I will give you the benefit of the doubt that that was a slip. What you REALLY meant to say was "creationist." People with autism (which, to a creationist, is "one who believes in auts") are Einsteins when compared with creationists.
no advocate of ID can still claim that Hitler was an atheist. there is much evidence to suggest otherwise, and no excuse to still be building strawmen.
It is true that the scientific method is inherently materialistic in the sense that it's methodological naturalism and therefore it's designed to address hard phenomena, but there really is a philosophical materialism better known as physicalism that says only the physical exists, nothing beyond that. So, from my vantage point, it's more accurate to say that creationists are conflating all science with physicalism and making physicalism sound depressing to push their own agenda.
There's also a third materialism: the belief that everything in this world is of the material world. It is one of the responses to the body-mind problem and most scientists are materialists. Same word, very different meaning.
The fixing of discrepancies between our society failed miserably.Government "solutions" made the societal issues they claimed to fix much worse. And now they are out of money.
I get the feeling some people are just too cowardly and nasty internally to be willing to take responsibility for themselves. They need a god to exist to justify their selfish pettiness to themselves. I'm guessing we'll need to find them a better excuse before they'll give up the one they have.
Yea all Creationist are doing is taking known work and saying "Look this looks created" Sorry but that proves nothing besides your opinion and assertion. Its like if im in a court room and I tell the judge "Look this man is black and grew up in LA it looks like he did rob the Store" its the same exact analogy.
actually the universe doesn't look at all created (by an intelligent force) to me. Just look how stupidly lifeforms are designed. THey don't work properly. They are exceedingly complex contraptions that work incorrectly most of the time. An "intelligently" designed lifeform would be very simple, very elegant, and work perfectly.
Yea that's why there are also many deformed children at times because of the Mutations that caused something to grow wrong. The creater needs to take a Engineering fucken class.
The most hilarious aspect to the 'wedge' is if it did work it would be sending the US into further world-wide scorn. Loss of invention and innovation. Mass immigration Out of the country by the intellectual elite, immigration In by the fundamental morons.
As a hypothertical it is actually quite interesting to imagine how far a modern country could fall just by this one mass denial of reality.
Creationists who accept modern scientific medical treatment can be likened to those who'd drive a car while denying the existence of gasoline. What exactly happens to them when gasoline is finally outlawed in order to correctly reflect their world view?
Lysenkoism in the former Soviet Union was a real example of this principle in action. A country could very easily fall a very long way.
Lysenkoism and the rejection of genetics didn't have to do with capitalism. It was more about soviet ideals and pie-in-the-sky idealism about how agronomics could be
It also had to do a lot with the rejection of western european science. Russia had been left in the dust and they were jealous so they just declared it invalid.
Either way, the analogy to the modern "debate" over Darwinian Evolution is still relevant- it's a group that's trying to reject a scientific reality because it doesn't fit in with their beliefs.
Also, the end result of the country in question becoming a laughingstock in the scientific community and ending up with seriously deficient programs in the given field is also the same. (Hasn't happened in the US yet, but not for some peoples' lack of effort).
I normally don't buy into conspiracy theories. But really this is the only one that actually makes sense (they had a handbook, for peet's sake.) Creationists have the organization, devotion, and political influence to destroy science in this country and replace it with myth. Thank GOD the internet brought that wedge document to everyone's attention.
They not only have the wedge document, but they own up to it on their website! I think they might have done that to avoid the scandal; they claim it's misinterpreted. It's really not, they just like saying that.
Yeah, I don't know if it is correct to call it a conspiracy, I think they are pretty open about what they are trying to do and what the goal is. If they weren't, they wouldn't get the support of creationists.
about the Hitler and Stalin were atheist argument... no need to go to the mustache line of defense... For Stalin he was, but Hitler... Hitler was a devoted Christian (read "mein kampf") who though he had a God given mission... don't forget the "gott mit uns" on the ss belt.
I'm not saying that because Hitler believed in God, all believers are hitler Jr... no I'm just saying he was not an atheist.
Actually materialism means the philosophy that only things that are tangible and testable exist. It's basically an atheistic point of view (the same way spinoza's pantheism isn't but really is atheism).
Athiestic point of veiw? No it is isnt not inherantly athiestic any way. If god came to earth in human form walked around for thousands of years preaching with a invisable force feild didnt age knew every thing made predictions with uncanny accuracy and could make any thing happen at will. Then it could definatly no longer be called a athistic point of veiw. My point is its only a athiestic point of veiw if you assume god is untestable and intangible.
I found a flaw in your video.
"Not all men with mustaches will become sociopathic dictators" is an unsourced claim; we cannot be certain of this without further study.
PaonSol 4 months ago
Is it just me or does Ben Stein talk like someone's brushing his teeth with their dick?
TheNarcMan 5 months ago 3
And why have I not subbed you? I thought I did when first watched these.
yillow1 7 months ago
This is like the 3rd time I'm watching through these. They're just so well made.
yillow1 7 months ago
I will point out, just since i'm a nerd, it is impossible to create a utopia because by definition, a utopia is a "no place". A perfect no place is a eutopia and and horrible no place is a dystopia. It is just a pet peeve of mine when it is used incorrectly.
LifeUntilLove 8 months ago
Please don't insult people with autism by saying they're "retarded" or even confused as someone who was retarded. I will give you the benefit of the doubt that that was a slip. What you REALLY meant to say was "creationist." People with autism (which, to a creationist, is "one who believes in auts") are Einsteins when compared with creationists.
Ripley747 11 months ago
In 20 years Ben Stein can make another Expelled movie siding with material science and the circle of life is complete.
panterguy 11 months ago
lets be serious here.......
no advocate of ID can still claim that Hitler was an atheist. there is much evidence to suggest otherwise, and no excuse to still be building strawmen.
scottpastry 1 year ago
@scottpastry they still do
Trbitt213 1 year ago
Its shocking to see that a modern world is trying to retard themself...
VC106893 1 year ago
It is true that the scientific method is inherently materialistic in the sense that it's methodological naturalism and therefore it's designed to address hard phenomena, but there really is a philosophical materialism better known as physicalism that says only the physical exists, nothing beyond that. So, from my vantage point, it's more accurate to say that creationists are conflating all science with physicalism and making physicalism sound depressing to push their own agenda.
TheNeocatZone 1 year ago
There's also a third materialism: the belief that everything in this world is of the material world. It is one of the responses to the body-mind problem and most scientists are materialists. Same word, very different meaning.
gerandomiseerd 1 year ago
@gerandomiseerd that's the 'materialism' being referred to. Unfortunately the video maker doesn't realize this...
dougmoerhoffman 1 year ago
Thoughts on 6:15:
The fixing of discrepancies between our society failed miserably.Government "solutions" made the societal issues they claimed to fix much worse. And now they are out of money.
dashedude2 1 year ago
Hey you gotta give credit to Dawkins for that mustache quote. He said that a while ago when arguing with Bill O'Reilly
vvolfenstein 2 years ago 2
i object! people with mustaches are indeed evil.
withouafight 2 years ago 5
@withouafight Especially people with those Snidely Whiplash style handlebar mustaches :p
naughtypagan72 2 years ago
Freudianism is poopballs psychology
cognitive psych behaviorism and neuro is where it's at
odenskrigare 2 years ago
is it just me, or does the narrator sound like he'll eventually have a voice like Chris Hansen?
"hey how ya doing there? why don't you take a seat, i want to talk to you for a minute."
lol
visualkei72 2 years ago
Christianity did help form our society. But old Russia and Spain were very Christian but backwards and repressive
MongoloidBabyUSA 2 years ago
christianity had no influence on our nation with the exception that it was the reason why people left England to go to America.
DoubleHelixPrdctns 2 years ago 28
they were kicked out, didnt leave, crazy witch burners sent away, england did it at the time, look at Australia
cocochanelbode 2 years ago
@DoubleHelixPrdctns
well of course it had an influence...but it didnt influence the constitution
Timmay123456789 1 year ago
Great Videos! Great Channel!!!
revtyson 2 years ago 4
I get the feeling some people are just too cowardly and nasty internally to be willing to take responsibility for themselves. They need a god to exist to justify their selfish pettiness to themselves. I'm guessing we'll need to find them a better excuse before they'll give up the one they have.
ananiasacts 2 years ago 4
stupidity run amok
TromboneUSAlabama 2 years ago
This is funny because creation and ID are not even scientific theories
Masterzec 2 years ago 8
They are not, but Sudden Emergence is a proven scientific theorie
rofl
jimius 2 years ago
Yea all Creationist are doing is taking known work and saying "Look this looks created" Sorry but that proves nothing besides your opinion and assertion. Its like if im in a court room and I tell the judge "Look this man is black and grew up in LA it looks like he did rob the Store" its the same exact analogy.
WhatsAfterThisPlace 2 years ago
actually the universe doesn't look at all created (by an intelligent force) to me. Just look how stupidly lifeforms are designed. THey don't work properly. They are exceedingly complex contraptions that work incorrectly most of the time. An "intelligently" designed lifeform would be very simple, very elegant, and work perfectly.
rddaos 2 years ago
Yea that's why there are also many deformed children at times because of the Mutations that caused something to grow wrong. The creater needs to take a Engineering fucken class.
WhatsAfterThisPlace 2 years ago
And wouldn't require all the junk DNA.
Macrochenia 2 years ago
not to mention, what the hell kind of a designer, puts a sewage system through the recreational areas of anything?
(know it's an old comment you made, couldn't resist, Macro)
Sutskoen 2 years ago 3
The most hilarious aspect to the 'wedge' is if it did work it would be sending the US into further world-wide scorn. Loss of invention and innovation. Mass immigration Out of the country by the intellectual elite, immigration In by the fundamental morons.
As a hypothertical it is actually quite interesting to imagine how far a modern country could fall just by this one mass denial of reality.
O2BSoLucky 2 years ago 2
Creationists who accept modern scientific medical treatment can be likened to those who'd drive a car while denying the existence of gasoline. What exactly happens to them when gasoline is finally outlawed in order to correctly reflect their world view?
Lysenkoism in the former Soviet Union was a real example of this principle in action. A country could very easily fall a very long way.
scepticalpreacher 2 years ago 2
Yeah, the USSR did something similar with genetics- Mendelian principles were too capitalistic for them.
Macrochenia 2 years ago
Lysenkoism and the rejection of genetics didn't have to do with capitalism. It was more about soviet ideals and pie-in-the-sky idealism about how agronomics could be
It also had to do a lot with the rejection of western european science. Russia had been left in the dust and they were jealous so they just declared it invalid.
LeopardFrogPilboxhat 2 years ago
Either way, the analogy to the modern "debate" over Darwinian Evolution is still relevant- it's a group that's trying to reject a scientific reality because it doesn't fit in with their beliefs.
Also, the end result of the country in question becoming a laughingstock in the scientific community and ending up with seriously deficient programs in the given field is also the same. (Hasn't happened in the US yet, but not for some peoples' lack of effort).
Macrochenia 2 years ago
Creationism isn't even the beginning of what's wrong with America.
Look at any polls of public knowledge about any subject.
and before you feel good if your from europe also keep in mind that 10% of Britons think that Adolf Hitler is a fictional character
LeopardFrogPilboxhat 2 years ago
You're right, it's merely a symptom of the larger anti-scientific, anti-intellectual movement that's been emerging for the last few decades.
Macrochenia 2 years ago
No Lysenkoism was ultimately about politics
MongoloidBabyUSA 2 years ago
I normally don't buy into conspiracy theories. But really this is the only one that actually makes sense (they had a handbook, for peet's sake.) Creationists have the organization, devotion, and political influence to destroy science in this country and replace it with myth. Thank GOD the internet brought that wedge document to everyone's attention.
Crit0 3 years ago 37
They not only have the wedge document, but they own up to it on their website! I think they might have done that to avoid the scandal; they claim it's misinterpreted. It's really not, they just like saying that.
PrometheusWithLight 3 years ago 4
Yeah, I don't know if it is correct to call it a conspiracy, I think they are pretty open about what they are trying to do and what the goal is. If they weren't, they wouldn't get the support of creationists.
gt6303c 2 years ago
Is it my imagination but does Stein sound drunk????
warren52nz 3 years ago 4
Glad you mentioned the Wedge Document.
DoctorVonScience 3 years ago 9
Here you say Meyers in some parts, but I think you mean Stein? "If Meyers had his way..."
chosetec 3 years ago
Meyers was the dope who wrote the Wedge Document.
NaTroyBoy 3 years ago
Ah: there is PZ Meyers, the atheist, and Stephen C Meyer, the supporter of the Wedge Document. Both are mentioned here.
chosetec 3 years ago
Yep, sorry 'bout the confusion. I may or may not have incorrectly refered to Meyer as "Meyers."
PrometheusWithLight 3 years ago
No worries. It gets pretty clear after I watch the whole thing. Great work.
chosetec 3 years ago
These just keep getting better and better! I can't stop listening! keep up the good work.
ReligiousFiction 3 years ago
about the Hitler and Stalin were atheist argument... no need to go to the mustache line of defense... For Stalin he was, but Hitler... Hitler was a devoted Christian (read "mein kampf") who though he had a God given mission... don't forget the "gott mit uns" on the ss belt.
I'm not saying that because Hitler believed in God, all believers are hitler Jr... no I'm just saying he was not an atheist.
geomexp 3 years ago
Actually materialism means the philosophy that only things that are tangible and testable exist. It's basically an atheistic point of view (the same way spinoza's pantheism isn't but really is atheism).
majinspy 3 years ago
Athiestic point of veiw? No it is isnt not inherantly athiestic any way. If god came to earth in human form walked around for thousands of years preaching with a invisable force feild didnt age knew every thing made predictions with uncanny accuracy and could make any thing happen at will. Then it could definatly no longer be called a athistic point of veiw. My point is its only a athiestic point of veiw if you assume god is untestable and intangible.
antonyneal 3 years ago
Yes in that case a materialistic point of view would cease to be atheistic. It is a de facto position, not one that is absolute in theory.
majinspy 3 years ago
"utopia" is subjective
ShilgenVens 3 years ago