Operation Condor - A Holocaust

[Jsledge85]

Propaganda! South America was simply becoming overrun by Marxist-Leninist in the 1970s as result of indigenious political/economic problems and covert assistance from Cuba and the USSR. It is not suprising military dictatorships followed, in order to avoid possible revolution. It is a naive assumption of liberal society, counter-revolution can be done democratically and without the expense of human life. Freedom has a price tag, but it usually cost less than life under Stalinist dictatorships.

[BEBOP268]

I T T and pepsi cola got into the ear of nixon and kissinger concerned over leftest prez being elected. the assasination warning to the right wing power in chile not to assasinate ppl in this country was blocked by kissinger 4 days later the bomb went off in d.c.

[lanuevagranada]

You Sir, have my respect for uploading this Video.

I am Colombian, and we Latin Americans know percfectly right, all of this is true.

I send you a warm salute, from Bogotá.

[Jsledge85]

@lanuevagranada I don't understand how Colombians simultaneously condemn FARC and opposse the ACCU. It seems to me that an individual's sympathies lie why the anti-government guerrillas or pro-government paramilitaries. COIN operations against out-of-uniform guerrillas and campesino communities who support the guerrillas isn't pretty, but it is necessary. Surely a dual force comprised of the military, the legitimate arms of the state, and paramilitaries is more effective than either one alone?

[lanuevagranada]

@Jsledge85 personally I hate with all my heart both the left-wing FARC and the right-wing Paramilitary forces, both have damaged this country for far too long. By the way, this is a common sentiment, we are sick of violence. peace.

[cliffe98]

3:40 why?

[TheAzov]

They found the basic documents of Condor in a safe warehouse in Paraguay.

[TheAzov]

@TheAzov This is true. I didn't make that up.

[LoLiTzOmg]

wait. so these dictators committed mass murders against communists and other people of that nature to suppress communism, when most dictatorships utilize a communist economy?

[pulsatingremedy]

@LoLiTzOmg

Incorrect.

"when most dictatorships utilize a communist economy"

Dictatorships do not utilize the socialist (communist) mode of production.

It is true that dictatorships installed by the United States have committed mass murder against communist activists.

[Jsledge85]

@pulsatingremedy There Communist, good commie is one that's dead. It had to be done, you seem to be too naive to understanding the compelling political necessity of silencing the Marxist who were causing so much social upheaval.

[pulsatingremedy]

@Jsledge85

You are rambling.

[Jsledge85]

@pulsatingremedy Read the asinine comment I wrote that reply in response to, before passing judgement. Furthermore, it is difficult to elucidate a comment with the word limit imposed by YouTube, especially when attempting to describe complexity of the interventionist oriented political economic systems of Latin American governments during the military dictatorships of the later half of the twentieth century.

[pulsatingremedy]

@Jsledge85

I still have no idea what you are trying to say.

[Jsledge85]

@LoLiTzOmg The military dictatorships of the 1970s and 1980s were between a proverbial rock and a hard place. Marxist revolutionaries had to be silenced to prevent more social unrest and suppress Communism. These dictatorships didn't utilize a "Communist economy." They governed countries with 'managed economies,' private ownership allowed, but the government intervened through price controls, creation of nationalized industry, tariffs, central banking, and import substitution initiatives.

[BattlestarDarkOrder]

We wrote an entire concept album about the Pinochet regime. Its called 'COLD WAR OF THE CONDOR" please listen to the songs on our myspace.com.darkorder page or see some of our live videos

[mebrusa]

Correction:

In 1975, there was no dictatorship (officially in Argentina) The coup d'etat perpetrated by Videla et al. did not happen until March 24th, 1976. Just a fact. Not to say that the military in Argentina was not involved in Operation Condor. They were, but at that point the Military was not in power in Argentina.

It seems to me that this person could do a better job of remembering (knowing) the names of the people he talks about.

[MrReco12]

#bapyou

Hitler and Mussolini also privatized large sectors of the economy.

[Arjozof]

@MrReco12 so what? nazi/fascist economics is all about total control&command of the economy through a highly inelastic, hierarchic chain of commands. We had a similar system in communist Poland - just to point a fact that fascism, communism and socialism are actually one and the same.

[bbessares]

Hey Radio Hogan!

Good for you seeking the truth on this matter and terming it a 'holocost', which is exactly what it was. There are a lot of morons who will name call but you and most intelligent people know is that they are just brainwashed morons who know nothing but to name call and propagate what they've been brainwashed with!

Ignore them, as an american citizen with south american descent, you are right on with this!

[radiohogan]

@bbessares

Thank you doctor, I feel better already. It is worse then we imagine. Condor targets culture, artists, musians, union leaders, political party leaders, in addition to Marxists. It is an attack on the fabric of society.

I will be doing a video on the very fascist views of Fredrich vn Hayek & Milton Friedman, in the context of their visits to Pinochet's Chile. You will absolutely love it.

[NextArminius]

@radiohogan If you describe Hayek or Friedman as fascists, no educated person will ever take you seriously. Friedman was invited by several countries to teach his free market theories. Even communist China. Calling everyone who disagrees with you 'fascist', is dishonest. You must see fascists everywhere!? Get this: a true fascist is ALWAYS against the free market idea.

[radiohogan]

@NextArminius

It will not be me calling Freddy a Fascist. Rather, I will be quoting Professor Gregg Grandin's recent article in Counterpunch. The professor was at Yale at the time and is now at NYU. Go ahead and Google the article.

[NextArminius]

@radiohogan A well, go ahead and believe every word the good old professor says.. This is most probably one of those people who believe that free market liberalism is equal to fascism. It is useless arguing with people having their own definitions of everything. But I guess I should read the article. And you should really be more careful labeling people 'fascists'. If nothing alse, you dilute the meaning of the word otherwise.

[radiohogan]

@NextArminius

So, did you Google the article by Professor Gregg Grandin that appeared in Counterpunch? Actually, it is Milton Friedman and Fredrich von Hayek who wrote that a totalitarian dictator implementing free market policies is preferable to democracy. You will love my video about these fascists.

[NextArminius]

@radiohogan Can you please refer me to where they said this? Actually, von Hayek was one of the most outspoken enemy of totalitarianism that I have encountered. Have you even read anything of Friedman and Hayek first hand? And another issue, of lesser importance: a totalitarian dictatorship isn't necessarily fascist in nature. I am starting to believe that you actually can't discriminate between even the most obvious differences. Simply put; anyone who doesn't agree with you, is fascist..

[radiohogan]

@NextArminius

My video will be on YT in a day or two. Be patient.

Why do you have a problem with von Hayek being a fascist? Didn't he label all Socialists as fascists? Psychiatrists assert 90% of all communication is projection. Did von Hayek project his fascism onto Socialists?

What is your definition of fascism? Fascism is a state of mind externalized into a way of life.

[NextArminius]

@radiohogan So when you claim that free market liberals are fascists, that makes you a fascist by way of projection? Are you serious here? Claiming that all socialists are fascists, makes Hayek a fascist? Your premise is that Hayek is fascist, and then you prove that he is a fascist.. You know, there is a word for this way of reasoning in logic.. Fascism means anti-liberal, anti-capitalist, anti-communist, pro-government. Mussolini built the Italian welfare state.. Hitler was a Keynesian.. Read!

[jecs2047]

You are mistaken, Alfredo Stroessner was the dictator of Paraguay, not of Brazil.

[NextArminius]

Hey, radiohogan!

Socialism is dead, and has no influence in world affairs. You are nothing more than an ideological dinosaur. So skip this nonsense and embrace capitalism, the way of the future. As for the South American dictators, well at least they knew how to deal with communist scum!

[radiohogan]

@NextArminius

Are you a G-man? Which country?

[bapyou]

"Socialism is dead, and has no influence in world affairs." Such a statement is wishful thinking and a bald-faced lie. As Mr. Hogan correctly points out in this video, a majority of governments in present-day South America are leftist. Furthermore, you ignore the illegal meddling that the United States engaged in over the past 60 years to undermine any and all leftist governments. The United States is not a force for democracy in the world. In fact, it is a force for fascism.

[NextArminius]

@bapyou : Get real! Sure, there are socialist (mostly social democrats) in power here and there. But those contries are still capitalist! Socialism simply doesn't work, and people know this. But by all means, keep on dreaming your silly utopian, socialist dreams.

[bapyou]

"every socialist experiment of any significance in the 20th century - without exception - has either been crushed, overthrown, or invaded, or corrupted, perverted, subverted, or destabilized, or otherwise had life made impossible for it, by the U.S. Not one socialist government or movement ... was permitted to rise or fall on its own merits; not one was left secure enough to drop its guard against the all-powerful enemy abroad & freely & fully relax control at home." - William Blum

[bapyou]

@NextArminius Furthermore, my political/economic outlook is neither silly nor utopian. In fact, the silliest and most utopian idealists are freemarketeer capitalists all of whom spout Von Mises and Hayek platitudes while never once acknowledging the misery and real abuses to which these ideologies lead. Mr. Hogan's discussion in this video cites numerous historical examples of such. Keep your fascists. And get real yourself.

[NextArminius]

@bapyou And why don't you move to Cuba, then? Too socialist for you? Oh sorry, I forgot that the Cuban dictatorship will probably die with Castro. And please, don't lump together free market ideas with fascism. I feel embarrassed on your behalf. Your own socialist ideas are more related to fascism than liberalism is.

[radiohogan]

@NextArminius

America will not allow me to travel to Cuba. If I could travel to Cuba, I would live in Cuba.

[MrReco12]

@radiohogan A fantastic video! You should come live in Austrialia. We have: A strong trade union movement Maternity leave scheme old age pensions Free education Universal health care Military men committed to democracy One of the most generous welfare states in the world. We even have a monument to Salvodor Allende(FMR Female president of Chilie lived in Aus when she was forced into exile)

[Arjozof]

@MrReco12 that's why Australia is going down the drain soon. Strong trade unions = inelastic economy = depression = total bankrupcy.

Socialism must be eradicated, even if it means using tanks to crush parasites who leech off of productive people in the economy.

[MrReco12]

@Arjozof

Take your Nazi view else-where. .

[jor01god]

@Arjozof thats why thing like 9/11 happens to the United Staes, your so ignorant and idiot. Socialism has been a good way of life in Latin America . Latin America never needs United States, and the Americans came to South America to stole the oil, gold and try to manipulate the goverments but thanks they faild.

[Arjozof]

@jor01god Socialism led to impoverishment of masses, not to "good way of life". When a manual labourer has no way to enrich himself through his work, because the state takes away half his income, it's a disaster for the economy.

And Americans wouldn't be able to steal anything, if private property rights were secured in the first place. Read Hernando de Soto's book "The Mystery of Capital", he's a Peruvian economist and a great benefactor of Latin America.

[Hperman09]

@jor01god uhhh, 9/11 had nothing to do with Latin America and such. it mostly had to do with the middle east. Keep in mind, the U.S. went into Latin America because of fear of communism, not because of resources! I know communism was a major concern around the world and te U.S. went in and tried to prevent it from spreading whether unilaterally or not, etc. Yes i know the U.S. had done a lot of bad shit during the Cold War but communism was a major concern.

[bapyou]

" And why don't you move to Cuba?" Americans are not allowed to travel to Cuba. Remember: We live in a free country. We are not allowed to travel to Cuba. We are free. We are not allowed to travel to Cuba. We are free. We are not allowed to travel to Cuba. We are free. (Thanks to Mr. Hogan for reminding me what a free society we live in.)

"don't lump together free market ideas with fascism." Why not? Milton Friedman and Augusto Pinochet did! Geez! Why the double standard?

[NextArminius]

@bapyou Ha ha ha, you could go there in a clandestine way if you are really serious about living in a socialist society.. And what do you mean by saying that Milton Friedman lumped together free market ideas with fascism? By going to Chile, is that what you mean? If so, he should've become a communist when he went to China and eastern Europe?

[bapyou]

@NextArminius Unfortunately for you I am an American. And I am not moving to Cuba. Again: We live in a free society. We, as Americans, are not allowed to go to Cuba. I prefer instead to bring socialism to America.

"Milton Friedman lumped together free market ideas with fascism" That is correct. Augusto Pinochet provided the fascism while Milton Friedman provided the free market ideology via his Chicago boys. Fascism & "free" markets go together like peanut butter & jelly.

[NextArminius]

@bapyou Oh boy, you really need to educate yourself about the history of fascism. If you did, you would see that fascism is actually related to socialism. It was a form of socialism, just as national socialism was. Have you even read anything Muossolini wrote? Have you read Mein Kampf? Have you read anything Friedman wrote? What do you know? You can't even answer my questions and objections, how credible is that? You quote me, just to prove you can't read. Try again..

[bapyou]

"fascism is actually related to socialism" This is a lie propagated by the right-wing to disavow the deeply conservative, i.e. pro-business, totalitarian nature of fascism. Mussolini called fascism the "great marriage of the state and corporatism." Mussolini jailed leftists such as the great Antonio Gramsci. "Have you read Mein Kampf?" Mein Kampf is full of Hitler's hatred for socialists & communists who were rife in the Weimar government. I think YOU should read Mein Kampf.

[NextArminius]

@bapyou Yes, they hated leftists. But what does that prove? After all, Stalin hated Trotsky.. The closer they are in ideology, the more they hate each other, it seems. Anyway, if you deny the socialist tendency in National Socialism, you are blind to the reality. Several prominent Nazi's were in fact outspoken socialists. On the other hand, Hitler was very reluctant to nationalize the German industry, but not because he was pro-capitalist. Believe whatever you want..

[RomanLeone]

@bapyou Check out what Goebbels, Roehm and Rosenberg (all famous Nazis) had to say about socialism versus capitalism. You may be surprised! If nothing else, you should be concerned about the abbreviation NSDAP, of the Nazi party. It stands for Nationalsocialistishe Deutsche Arbeiterpartei. I'll translate it for you: National Socialist German Worker's Party. Sounds capitalist to you?

[bapyou]

@RomanLeone "National Socialist German Worker's Party. Sounds capitalist to you?"

_______________

The official name for North Korea translated is "Democratic People's Republic of Korea." By your criteria -- everything to be known about a nation is in its name -- North Korea is therefore a democracy.

Where do you come up with this stupid moronic idiocy?

[RomanLeone]

@bapyou But why don't you check out what the nazis actually thought about socialism, before you post comments here? I pointed out the name of the nazi party just so that you would get a hint. Of course it doesn't PROVE anything, but it is a good indication. To make the point clear: both socialist and fascists are very much againt free market capitalism. Now give me some evidence that this isn't the case, please.

[bapyou]

@RomanLeone "But why don't you check out what the nazis actually thought about socialism"

Another right-wing moron who's never read Mein Kampf. Hitler LOATHED socialists & all leftists. A good part of MK is devoted to Hitler ranting about the socialists in the Weimer government; communists were a targeted demographic for "cleansing:" along with Jews, gypsies & homosexuals, they  were sent to the camps. Furthermore, both Hitler & Mussolini aided Franco's massacre of the anarchists in Catalan.

[RomanLeone]

@bapyou I have read Mein Kampf, it's in my library.. True, Hitler was against the "leftists", you are correct there. But I am talking about the Nazi ideology, which has clear socialist tendencies. And consider this: Stalinists hated Trotskyists without them being exactly on opposites sides of the political spectrum.. But you do have a point about Hitler; he did much to steer the party away from socialism. But still they have much more in common with socialism, than they have with liberalism!

[Jsledge85]

@bapyou Hitler vocally condemned Communist and Social Democrats, but he also held the capitalist and aristocratic classes in equal contempt, since he believed liberalism was responsible for the economic exploitation and cultural morass that plagued the German people. Hitler desired to create a "warrior state," a mobolized national community composed of classless citizens bound together by a commonly shared conviction in principles of National Socialism, and racial and national solidarity.

[bapyou]

@Jsledge85 "Hitler . . . also held the capitalist and aristocratic classes in equal contempt"

He wasn't too contemptuous of the aristocratic capitalist Krupp family was he. Krupp industries fueled the German war machine.

Fascism is all about nativist, nationalistic tendencies and war-making. Find a copy of Franz Neumann's 'Behemoth.' Neumann was a German Jew who escaped Germany in the '30s. He knew German society from the inside. He'll set you straight about Hitler's propaganda.

[bapyou]

@RomanLeone " ... both socialist & fascists are very much againt free market capitalism."

Yeah, the Nazis were so anti-free market they enlisted the services of a small company called IBM (heard of 'em?) in the extermination of large swathes of the German population. In contract with the Nazi German government, IBM developed a sophisticated, mechanized, coded system which categorized & routed those Germans the Nazis had condemned to the camps.

Those IBM boys. What radical leftists. Next!

[RomanLeone]

@bapyou You simply confuse free-market ideas with the behaviour of specific private companies. Of course, a company can act oppurtunistically and cooperate with a dictatorship. It doesn't prove that the dictatorship is free-market, only oppurtunistic. Even Lenin said "the capitalists will sell us the ropes with which we'll hang them". So that argument proves nothing..

[bluekazoo9]

Everyone is entitled to his/her opinion. The video expresses an opinion, an appraisal formed in the mind about this matter. Wish most would speak the truth in accordance to the facts.

[bapyou]

"Dulles ... instigated Eisenhower to oust Jacobo Arbenz in Guatemala."

And, dont forget, Allen Dulles also had a substantial financial interest in the United Fruit Company.

[bapyou]

Perhaps the best description of CIA dirty tactics used to overthrow Allende can be found in William Blum's book 'Killing Hope: US Military & CIA Interventions Since WW2' (Common Courage Press 2004). Such tactics were enacted by agents acting from the base of Chile's US embassy. Is it any wonder Bolivia's Evo Morales - a committed leftist - disbanded the American embassy in La Paz? Morales learned the lesson that Chile 1973 had to teach. The CIA will stop at nothing to acheive US domination.

[napajedlacek]

operation CONDOR was GOOD !!!

it fought against communism !!!

can you imagine in how big poverty would southern American people live now if communism won ???

good ...all these poeple must be killed..its unfortunate..but its only possible way to fight judeo bolshevism ,marxism ...

[radiohogan]

Don't be shy. Tell us what you really think.

[bapyou]

There was no war being waged by communists in Chile. Chile's moderately Marxist President -- Salvador Allende -- was elected by democratic vote. "War" was made by the United States' CIA who placed in power a fascist dictator Augusto Pinochet. Pinochet jailed, murdered, and tortured anyone who who did not have the "correct" ideology. He did this to thousands of Chileans.

If you support fascists then say so. The U.S. fought WW2 against fascism.

[napajedlacek]

No I dont support fascism ..why woudl I ?

I hate communism ,I know what marxism done ..all these bloody murders in Russia sicen 1917 ..

my country Czechoslovakia was unslave by these judeo bolshevics marxist for 40 years..thats why !

US were in fear Alliende will be another Marxist ,they could not afford that .

sure elections were free..its easy to sell poor workers Marxism ..just look at the Soviet Uinion..but Marxism is not for the workers..its for illuminati international bankers..!!

[bapyou]

If you supported the overthrow of Allende, you supported fascism. Pinochet - the US puppet who took the regins of power from Allended - was a fascist, exhibiting all of the signs of fascism, including torture, imprisonment and execution, all of these targeted against political opponents. This is what fascism is.

You, on the other hand, with your comments on "judeo bolshevics" and "illuminati" you slip off into the silly country of grand morons where no one will take you seriously.

[napajedlacek]

communist ,bolshevics are so much worst than fascists .!!

just look at Cuba - do you think Pinochet was worst than torture and killings done by Che Guevara ,Castro and others??all these political prisoners..??

I hate communism ...

[bapyou]

Communists worse than fascists?

Only a person without conscience or morals - such as yourself - would make such a statement.

Throughout the 20th century it was fascists who jailed, imprisoned & tortured communists & other leftists. This was true of Hitler, Mussolini, Franco & Pinochet.

In case you do not know, the US & its allies fought a war against fascism in Europe. It was called WW2.

And now we have people like you who DEFEND fascism. My father was a WW2 veteran. You are scum.

[napajedlacek]

jesus ..you gotta be kidding me!!

what about gulag holocaust in Siberia ,what about Chekist bloody murders ?what about holodomor..the famine done by bolshevics reds in Ukraine ,where in 17 months 10 000 000 people died ,mostly christians...communism kills more than 100 millions poeple,with Red Soviet Union and Red China in leading positions..

how many Nacists killed?even jewish holocaust is a lie,gas chambers were for killing lice not poeple!!Ncis tried to save wokers in the conce.camps!!READ!!

[napajedlacek]

dear bapayou..watch movie THE CHEKIST !and you wont talk anyone for a couple days !!!!!

i could watch only 20 minutes...terrible bloody marxist communist judeo bolshevics...killing machine

[bapyou]

Stalin was a totalitarian, not a communist. Stalin sent true leftists to the gulags.

"even jewish holocaust is a lie,gas chambers were for killing lice not poeple!!"

Asshole. Get a life.

[napajedlacek]

my grandfather was in concetration camp.

and he told me stories different from offical propaganda ,what you see on TV and watch in movies.They were but to working camps ,not killing camps.They were doing hard work ,but got paid .gas chambers never existed.,my grandpa was in Terezin ,but he heard about Auschwitz ,no gaschambers were used for mass killing people.its been all already proven.coditions were bad late 1944 ,due to US ,GB bombing of rail roads ,no more food ,typhus infection.many died.

[napajedlacek]

tel your UCLA profesors to show you a movie THE CHEKIST ..

Stalin killed everyone,,,but before him Bronstein ( Torcki) Uljanov ( Lenin ) were mass killing too .concetration camps in Siberia were in full use.

just download that movie ( find torrent in google -its all in Russian ,but you dont need english translation .-Iam not russian neither.)watch it and tell me later !..i think UCLA and their marxist profesors will NOT allow you to watch it,but you shoudl try .

[bapyou]

Ha ha ha ha ha! Comedian! So funny!

[napajedlacek]

ok,..you must a ignorant idiot...

just be stupid...american naive sheeple...bye

[avalonadam]

Communist/facist both are as bad as each other both have vested misery and mass murder on there own citizens and countries they have occupied. Democracy and justice are the only way forward

[bapyou]

"there own citizens"

You can't even spell properly. Good-bye.

[avalonadam]

I was under the impression i was supportive of you in my comments , instead you take exception at my grammatical error in using 'there' instead of 'their'. Unfortunatly the debate of the similarities between the totalitarian idiologies of marxism and facism does not seem to have materialised, so I will leave you to your key board and what ever insult you wish to post to me. i will not be replying to it.

Napajedlacek, I salute the brave Czech nation-From a British man of Lithuanian parentage

[bapyou]

Marxism is not totalitarianism. There's your mistake.

Fascism is, in effect, totalitarianism.

I know what you're going to say: "But wasn't the Soviet Union totalitarian?" Under Stalin, sure. Stalin, you may not know, was initially lauded by the west for his crackdown on true leftists/communists, persons he shipped off to the gulags.

Of course, if you publically challenge the US gov, you will also be watched. I've been rereading William Blum's memoir in which he notes such surveillance.

[bapyou]

The best available reference for U.S. interventions & destablizations of leftist governments since WW2 (even moderate ones such as Allende's in Chile) is William Blum's 'Killing Hope.' Blum's chapter on Chile 1973 goes into great detail as to the tactics used by the CIA to foment Allende's overthrow. These include the planting of false stories in the press; the formation of fake leftist organizations & -- in order to turn public opinion against Allende -- economic embargoes & monkeywrenching.

[napajedlacek]

@bapyou well ,thats how bloody communist works !!...check revolution in Russia 1917 ...same old tactics..!

[bapyou]

Allen Dulles, head of the CIA during the Eisenhower administration, if you don't already know, had a significant financial interest in the United Fruit Company, giving him a personal incentive to have overthrown Arbenz .

[napajedlacek]

@bapyou they saved Chile from communism !

Chile now is very prosper rich country !

most richest in South America

[bapyou]

nap: Chile is rich and prosperous for some Chileans. It is not so for all Chileans.

By the way, that is the case here in the United States as well.

[bapyou]

Aaaaaaaahhhhhhhh!

"Enhanced interrogation techniques."

I love the smell of a good euphemism in the morning. Smells like .... victory!

[DOKt00n]

good video!! paraguay's was alfredo stroessner though

[franciscosiles]

the information is wrong Peru has never had a right wing dictatorship. it has had left wing dictatorships before though

[radiohogan]

Former president Fujimori was a right wing dictator of the worst sort. His crimes were so grave, I believe he is still in jail.

[franciscosiles]

Just what i thought you were going to bring Fujimori up like u said "Former president Fujimori" make uo your mind then was he a President or Dictator. BTW Fujimori is in fact serving 25 years but he was sentenced w no prove by an olympically Comunist court.

[franciscosiles]

I dont call that justice I call that revenge for what Fujimori did ( defeating comunist terrorism in Peru)

[radiohogan]

If you Google "Peruvian dictatorships," you will find Alberto Fujimori listed as a dictator. Also listed as dictators are Manuel Odria and Francisco Morales Berm. Google claims Peru was a dictatorship for 20 years from 1925 to 1945. That was just the results on page one of the Google search. I invite you to review the other pages.

[franciscosiles]

I dont personally know to much about Odria, but what I can tell you is the Bermudez actually return Peru to democracy, but since u brought Fujimori up first of all Fujimori was President from 1990-2001 not between 1925-1945 which is the period google claims as peruvian dictatorship. See your own information contradicts itself.

[radiohogan]

You began by asserting Peru does not have a history of dictatorships. Google lists many Peruvian dictators.

You are confusing yourself. Dictatorships of the 1920's & 1930's and part of a long tradition of dictatorships that include Alberto Fujimori.

[franciscosiles]

wrong my friend I said we didnt have right wing dictators not dictators in general perhaps on that extreme I was wrong, however I am not wrong in saying Fujimori especifically was not a Dictator.

[villanovakid84]

The blood stained hand of Henry Kissinger was the architect of this genocide. Also. ex-nazi's were also employed to coordinate the terror.

[starmanskye]

It's at least encouraging that Americans are slowly waking-up to the dishonorable covert history of American Foreign Policy during & esp. since WWII. From US financiers & top Fortune 500 companies secretly funding Hitler's war machine (ie. IBM, Ford, GM, Union Carbide, AT&T, Bell, GE), to thousands of Nazis escaping justice by aid of Vatican & allied intel services & given positions in MI5, CIA & NASA, to the US's leading role in establishing rightwing despotisms to further corporate greed ...

[josedro]

The typical punishment is economical then military intervention. How many countries United State have bombed and invaded in the last 100 years? And this is highly supported by the American people otherwise wouldnt work.

[josedro]

(Henry Kissinger was the Mastermind of that operation) is just one of many Americans intervention in south America. I can name you some others attacks like the assassination of Augusto Sandino (United Fruit Company) in Nicaragua, Che Guevara in Bolivia ordered by CIA . Salvador Allende in Chile directly ordered by Richard Nixon. Etc. But this is no new its a typical Empire behavior, every empire demand expansion and if someone or something want to stop him will deal with the consequence.

[Amiduffer]

To broaden the history, is the Dulles brothers smuggling ex-Nazi's through Franco's Spain after WW2, to facilitate all the later atrocities. In a way, the Cristero war in Mexico is similar, in that British and Wall St. interests back the pro-fascist Catholics in the bloody conflict there.

[josedro]

Is hard to believe that every US citizen wake up everyday not knowing how is and was the American policy in the last 75 years. South America was a battlefield of two empires

United States and Russia. In one side Russia wanted to export its communism with

Cuba as a Headquarter and on the other side USA defending its interest (Ford General Motor all its Banks and American Corporations) by supporting Dictators or Democratic government loyal to its interest. Operation Condor continue

[gkraychik]

To use the term "Holocaust" frivolously cheapens the meaning of the word. It is draws an unequal parallel between the events of the actual Holocaust and the story you describe.

[radiohogan]

Dear GkrayChik:

I may not understand your point. Are you saying some holocausts are more important then others? If so, how do you rank or grade a holocaust? Is it the number who died or the methods of torture and death?

Zie Gezunt / Mike Hogan

[gkraychik]

Although the classical understanding of the word 'holocaust' has been around before the Holocaust of WWII, the term has evolved primarily refer to the Holocaust of WWII (in my view, anyways). So when you use the term holocaust in its classical meaning to refer to various historical events, it cheapens the contemporary understanding of the event that the word has evolved to refer to: specifically the systematic extermination of Jewish persons in Europe under the Nazi regime.

[gkraychik]

continued.... In other words, when you use the term holocaust to refer to an historical event, you draw unequal parallels (in terms of methods of murder, persecution, oppression, and extent of extermination: both total body count and the proportion of the targeted group affected) between "THE" Holocaust, and other historical events. Get it?

[radiohogan]

Hi GkrayChik:

Yes, I get it and the world gets it. Jews value their lives more highly then others who have suffered holocausts: Iraqis, Viet Namese, Indonesians, the Irish, American Indians (north & south), South & Central Americans, Palestinians, Cambodians, Armenians and many more.

The position of Jews in this regard is appalling and creating worldwide resentment. Is is disgusting to watch a people who suffered a holocaust exterminating Palestinians.

Live and Be Well / Mike Hogan

[usalbert]

Alfredo Stroessner is FROM PARAGUAY not Brasil Operation Condor did a very good job exterminating this Comunistas in South AMerica. I hope someday they do it again, coz this comunistas are everywhere again

[radiohogan]

Dear Usalbert:

Please elaborate.

All the Best / Mike Hogan

[tararisth]

Order of the last post:

1. Please dont

2. Dont believe

3. History is not

[radiohogan]

You hide in being obscure, oblique, obtuse and oblivious.

[tararisth]

5. History is not only about facts, but understanding. Reading Chilean History from 1970 until today wont help. You have to read much before it to understand it, being leftist or anything else. Example to think: You say at your video, the famous Augusto Pinochet. Have you thought about it? Why is he so famous?

See and think, read and understand! This will help you.

Regards,

Tararisth.

[radiohogan]

You hide in being obscure, oblique, obtuse and oblivious.

[usalbert]

Richard Nixon created Operation Condor

[tararisth]

2. Dont believe everything from Wikipedia. It contains very strong manipulated information. Even if you like this, it not always supports your ideas.

3. Somebody that not agrees with you is not necessarily a fascist.

4. Again, many of your facts are wrong. You might have been in Nederland or Honk Kong, but I dont think you know Chile. Even if you have been in Chile, you cant say you know it and his history.

[radiohogan]

Fascism is a state of mind externalized into a way of life. Your being an apologist for fascism makes you a fascist, at a minimum. Were members of your family supporters or lieutenants of Dictator Pinochet?

What facts of mine are wrong? Why are you unable to state a single incorrect statement I made in my video?

[usalbert]

Alfredo Stroessner is from Paraguay, not Brazil, you got your information wrong

[tararisth]

Please dont try to play with me. With depressing I meant what you are doing, not your facts.

Ok, this is my last post and I will just write it, because I think you try to do some good communicating things to other people.

But I will enumerate in an easy way a few mistakes you are committing (I already mentioned most of them):

1. Basics: Dont read something in your videos, that everybody can read by them self. There is no plus at it.

[radiohogan]

You presume to tell others what to do. The psychiatrist Karen Horney would describe you as suffering from the "tyranny of shoulds." My objective is to alert my audience to the existence of Operation Condor and let them know where they can find more information and corroborate the existence of Opertion Condor.

[tararisth]

So if you wanna see the real world, turn off your TV and try to see something with your own eyes. And do it as long as you can. But dont wonder if somebody tell you, that the US has caused more deaths than every body else in the last century

[radiohogan]

Dear Tararisth:

Are you claiming Augusto Pinochet was not a mass murdering dictator who disappeared people, imprisoned Chileans, murdered thousands, tortured thousands and imprisoned thousands. Do you deny his reign of terror? Do you deny Chile's President Verónica Michelle Bachelet Jeria's father (a general) was murdered by Pinochet's killers? Do you deny President Bachelet was also imprisoned by Pinochet's fascists? Are you a fascist Pinochet supporter? How do you explain to yourself?

[radiohogan]

Please view my other Holocaust videos where I hold America responsible for the mass murder of millions in Viet Nam, Cambodia, Iraq, Indonesia, American Indians, etc. America was also deeply involved in Operation Condor.

This does not change the fact that the countries of South America mass murdered, tortured & falsely imprisoned their people.

[tararisth]

Hello again,

Ok, nice. I started watching your Video with interest and then trying to help you find some answers to questions you might have, or trying to help you to realize that you should have some questions, beyond that what you believe. But now I notice Im at the wrong place. If you are not willing to go a different way, this discussion is useless.

Tararisth

[radiohogan]

Hello Tararisth:

What is your criticism of my video about Operation Condor? Be specific.

Live and Be Well / Mike Hogan

[tararisth]

Just read the second sentence I wrote at this forum. "It is depressing... ".

Not enough specific?

[radiohogan]

We agree, mass murder, torture on a grand scale, death squads, false imprisonment, disappearances is very depressing. At 67, I have been reading about Chile since Salvador Allende was democratically elected (36 years). As a man of the left, I made it my business to read about what was happening in Pinochet's Chile.

[tararisth]

Hello Miguelito,

Ridiculo it is.

It is depressing to see somebody trying to tell me what happened in my country, just by reading it from Wikipedia. You might leave some day your town in NJ and take a look at the world to see what is happening out there. I hope there will be still some countries that will accept US-Citizens, because I really have to say that every day that passes, less people like you. Just think: South America, Asia, Russia, Africa. And Europe won't last much time....

[radiohogan]

Hello tararisth:

Are you saying Operation Condor did not happen? What country do you live in? Are you in favor of Operation Condor? Please view my other Holocaust videos where I hold America responsible for the mass murder of millions in Viet Nam, Cambodia, Iraq, Indonesia, American Indians, etc. America was also deeply involved in Operation Condor.

This does not change the fact that the countries of South America mass murdered, tortured & falsely imprisoned their people.

Best / MH

This does

[tararisth]

Hello again Miguelito,

It looks like you didnt understand my message. See the world as it is and try to conquer the truth, before you try to explain things to other people, things you dont even understand now.

Regards, Tararisth

P.S.: Im from Chile.

[GonzaloCNI]

Ridiculo.

[radiohogan]

Hello GonzaloCNI:

Please elaborate. Are you saying Operation Condor did not exist? Are you dismissing mass murder, torture and false imprisonment as ridiculous?

Live and Be Well / Miguelito

[tararisth]

Hello again Miguelito,

It looks like you didnt understand my message. See the world as it is and try to conquer the truth, before you try to explain things to other people, things you dont even understand now.

Regards, Tararisth

P.S.: Im from Chile.

[mmboyes]

What's your point, we are very evil? Now what, we have weapons of mass destruction? You wanna invade us too. O no wait maybe we should all cross the border, right!

[radiohogan]

Hello mmboyes:

I don't understand your comment. When you write: "---we have weapons of mass destruction ---," who are you referring to? When you write: "You wanna invade us too," who is us? When you write: "--- we should cross the border ---," who is we?

Please clarify and elaboate.

All the Best / Mike Hogan

[ikeike2]

Keep it up Hogan.

From the NJ Pine Barrons