Yeah, I think putting your head further up your ass is the answer.
Let's see what you have to say after you've lived life as an adult a few more decades. Of course, by then you won't have any pretty flowers to use as a backdrop for your sappy idiocy.
Hello Peacenik. You have invited me to be your friend but one thing you have failed to realize is that I'm not human. I'm an escapee from an animal laboratory where very experiments have turned my primate skin blue an somehow given me the ability to communicate on your level.
Being non-human has certain benefits such as realizing that there is a cancerous plague infesting the Earth. This plague is known by many names:
a home invasion is in progress at your house, you have kids & wife home, you have the only known gun, the three of them (negros with 9mm) come in yelling with all their thug fear, hate and anger, like life owes them, from anywhere - your home at the moment... you have a Benelli M-4 (marine version with extra shots). do you approach them with loving peace, flowers and empathetic compassion? or your 12 gauge blasting away? and what emotions might give you the strength to do so? love and/or hate?
@glorp896 You see a mother and two children on the verge of starving to death... do you approach them with your 12 gauge of rage, blasting them with fear and hate?
i do approach them with my 12 gauge, blasting animals with the fear and hate of their starvation, then they can eat...
why this odd example that i have to respond to?
i'm just using obvious examples of when hate/fear/anger are useful... i'm really not sure peace, joy, love are the best for vigor, victory and survival - maybe only when everybody has enough food? i will admit that one of the most peaceful times in my life has been when i'm long distance running, the second wind...
@Peacenik hey, maybe your love for them can be so deep that you don't want them to suffer another moment and you put them out of their misery?
but really, is this question worth asking? i "see" many mothers and children on the verge around the world, i used to give to SAVE THE CHILDREN, but now i would rather fund NORPLANT, sterilization and replacing "defense" budgets with farmers... as Sam Kinison (great stand up comic) said "GO TO WHERE THE FOOD IS! (message to the starving)
@glorp896 So, In the spirit of my first impression of Madalyn Murray Ohaire, I think the true evil to hate is the ignorance within people. That's what she fought against and won. It is fighting bad ideas with the weapons of good ideas (more powerful than guns). It is educating oneself in knowledge and facts rather than steeping oneself in emotional dogma, whether it is fear/anger/hate OR hippie dippie peace and flowers.
i would argue quite differently, hate isn't necessitated by ignorance, but quite the opposite, knowledge; knowing a problem and focusing on it, maybe too much and maybe not using the right approach or emotion... i remember doing several protests on the streets... it was great fun and a joy for me, taking serious issues and laughing on the streets - others were more bitter and had a bone to pick with the ignorant masses... so your last line expresses some dynamic between this dichotomy
@glorp896 I can certainly see we have much difference on how we see the world and how we decide to live in it, but I think we both want a better world no matter what differences we have. Beyond the whole emotional dogma stuff, maybe the question is, what kind of vision do I have for the future of myself and mankind and what responsibility do I have to that vision and what am I doing to bring it about? Do I live in a vacuum, or do the things I say, do, and think have actual consequence?
i noticed at your first mad madalyn quote, my first real atheist book to read was WHY I AM AN ATHEIST, her book... focused too much on the historical scientific origins of materialism i thought... despite her dysfunctional family and very sick evil end she is still a shining beacon and clarion call of enlightenment the renaissance didn't quite cover... i read her christian son's book about her/him... see the contrast of late american atheist president ellen johnson and madalyn...
@glorp896 What you are demostrating here is the true reality of our nature, what this peacenik is talking about is interesting, cause if i'm nice people are not going to take advantage, not even a person like you....you posted your comment two months ago now see how long it takes for reply...it's all you...lol
you think i'm a person to take advantage of others?, even if they are nice to me?... if people are overly nice i actually stay away - its a turn off to me... like WORF of STAR TREK says "Trust is earned, not given away."... i have trust issues... if you are someone that doesn't eat meat, have sex, or do drugs; doesn't have an interruptive ego in conversation, doesn't have kids, no pets, lives alone and prefers this quiet medium then you are someone who avoids using people
1st paragraph - its common sense and should require little thinking
2nd: i hope this for all humanity and see no ideal human to shine as an example for all..., and some of us must continue to bare burdens, who else will fight the good fight?- all this peaceful touchy feely nice stuff doesn't get the job done, does it?
3rd: what example - elaborate - Worf or my brief autobiographical sketch you can help verify on my channel intro- got a problem with klingons buster!?
yes, love and blowing peoples heads off can really go hand in hand - but its the mix of emotions and confluence of variables that creates this equation isn't it? you must also tap into the SITH energy and use the dark side of the force as FEAR, HATE AND ANGER are your most powerful weapons of motivation - love can come when you don't need this great triumvirate of action. Love is more passive and can only become action with hate, fear and anger as its partner. the balance? not sure
we largely have NO choice in the matter, we are surrounded by the angry, hateful, aggressive... peaceful kind and generous is meaningless when home invaded or during war time, pacifism DOES NOT WORK...
you do transcendental meditation? Tai Chi?
do you think your approach will work in reversing this stat?: from 1976-2000 15,400+ more whites were killed by blacks than blacks were killed by whites in the USA... NRA ALL THE WAY! Peace or a piece?
@glorp896 I agree, we ARE surrounded by angry, hateful, agressive people. But we are also surrounded by kind and generous people. You must have come across 1 or 2 kind people in your life that you actually liked. If you are to carry a gun, WHY are you? Is it to just protect your life? Or to preserve a peaceful, safe existence? What DOES peace mean to you? If we live our lives in fear, what kind of life is that?
at least one or two... (joking again, many)... WHY? bad guys, thats why, maybe you should read some NRA propaganda, maybe some news once in a while... its your duty to be armed with deadly force AT ALL TIMES that you can, at least a blade and/or some pepper spray. No, i've thought of it in terms of saving others... to preserve peace, but it wouldn't be peaceful if i had to use it to save peace? Peace is boring apathy - FEAR IS VICTORY'S FUEL, there is a reason zombie flix appeal to me
@glorp896 Well, if ya look for zombies, I think ya tend to find em. If ya look for good folks, ya might find a few of those too. And as for fear , I take the approach I learned of in "Dune", "I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path. Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain."
fear is to be balanced, it can be consuming or it can just enough to get you going and the adrenalin pumping... nice eloquent anti-fear quote nontheless...
but i think the great triumvirate of power (ANGER, HATE, FEAR) have been under-rated, we need all three to fight evil, right? the peace, love, joy triumvirate have no effect on those already sold on power... hey, just look at tony montana (SCARFACE)... but at least he saved a woman and her kids, along with the father...
@glorp896 adrenalin rush can be addicting though, and throw a person into seeking it all the time, replacing simple pleasure seeking for psychosis. Are not hate, anger, and fear combined with religion, nationalism, etc. the foundation of the "me vs. them" approach to life, which in turn creates most of the violence and wars of the world, which then starts the whole cycle over again, feeding the hate,anger,fear? Is it possible to stop this cycle, or in your case would you even want to?
yes i would want to, but i've had MANY fantasies of wiping out ISLAM for instance... Machiavelli is compelling - there is nothing like a dead enemy to solve your problems
having worked for the Waltons of walmart for over 3 years i've had MANY kidnapping-killing fantasies of this billionaire family... i even tried to unionize one of their stores (long story lots of action, even some management violence!)... etc... so HATE ANGER FEAR against evil can defeat it, love peace joy?, hardly
@glorp896 Violent fantasies are one thing. No biggy. Its part of human societal conditioning to look at the outside world as an enemy. As I am conditioned by society, others are too. We're all victims of victims down through the ages. No one is spared. ALL OF US SUFFER, even the religious extremist. THAT is the evil. Understanding THIS, is the beginning of its defeat. Hate, anger, fear? Those are for a chicken. What about COURAGE? Cause that's what it takes to learn compassion.
Einstein said the most important question you can ask is whether you think the universe is friendly or not, THE ANSWER IS OBVIOUS, A BIG NO! i think many are too chicken to embrace the power of HATE FEAR AND ANGER (you know, all that Sith stuff, George Lucas believes the dark side is more powerful...)
hmmm, courage to be compassionate?, the courage to fear with anger those evil people you hate enough to compassionately save the innocent? sound like a good formula?
@glorp896 Hate/anger/fear is actually easy. Takes no courage to feel those, or follow their impulses. Why would you want to save the innocent anyway? What is so great about the innocent? Is there something we admire about the innocent? Wonder what that could be?
- ever see the bumper sticker: IF YOU AREN'T ANGRY YOUR NOT PAYING ATTENTION, or something like that... These three can be impulsive and they can certainly build slowly over time due to education, realization and understanding an issue. Good innocent questions, i think INNOCENCE is overrated and largely a function of a single incident and context, not the life of an individual... Hate/fear/anger can be a result of innocence having its baptism of fire, initial stages of victimization
hate-fear-anger, when felt and expressed require FAR MORE COURAGE because you obviously put yourself in a vulnerable position of friction and conflict with others... many are too afraid to rise to this occasion and stay meek and quiet (the meek weak won't inherit the earth BTW)... The rabid angry hateful (fearful?) mad Madalyn murray o'hair certainly had BALLS, courage to openly defy religious america in a time when you were far more at risk for doing so - her story is evidence of this
@glorp896 Thnx for intoducing me to Madalyn. heard some of her audio. Quite impressive, courageous, compassionate, educated, not hateful. You may misrepresent and confuse passion and conviction as your evil 3. Quoting her...."An atheist LOVES his fellow man..." , "He strives for involvement in LIFE...." "He wants disease conquered, poverty banished, war eliminated.He wants man to UNDERSTAND and LOVE man. He wants an ethical way of life."
- should could be quite acerbic, bitter and openly hateful... she actually still has quite a bad reputation even among the atheist community - a real irish fighter! compassionate yes, but i think compassion can be guide by hate/fear/anger - compassion for YOUR cause and NOT theirs... so of course there is some dynamic of love/hate and mixtures of emotions that our all too often collective duality thinking confuses us with, or more aptly put over simplifies things... she is a hero
@OnlyHereNow You are right, it takes courage to be compassionate.
Embracing the power of hate and fear, as glorp suggests we do, is the easier option. It is a cop out. It is giving in to the fear that exists.
It takes inner strength to rise above the universal suffering we all feel and it takes courage to share our love and compassion with the world... far more courage than simply adding to the fear and anger in the world.
@Peacenik I agree. It takes a vison as well, an ability to see another kind of future other than the apocalyptic one that so many are programmed with.
i suggest a balance, whatever that is in any given situation... if you believe most people are good and the planet is heading in the right direction than all those peaceful hippie emotions may be in order... if you believe change is in order you should always keep the GREAT EVIL THREE in mind and ready for action...
STRENGTH THROUGH JOY is a phrase hitler tried to make popular... STRENGTH THROUGH HATE, FEAR AND ANGER just wouldn't have caught on, but of course these methods can be useful
THE SCIENCE OF GOOD AND EVIL, a book by pop-scientist, pop atheist debunker Scientific American Michael Shermer, talks about in-group/out-group dynamics... its pretty revealing of our stupid mammalian territoriality and dichotomous tribal thinking that is still deeply ingrained but far more dangerous now in the form of nation-states, as opposed to mere localities of war in the case of tribes... even so kill ratios are higher among tribal systems vs. nation-state wars... interesting
@glorp896 A huge reason organisms evolve and survive is because they learn how to cooperate. It's how 1 celled creatures evolved into multicellular. And here we are, a human body, a host of trillions of cells of all kinds of species that learned to live together in order to survive. We have symbiotic intestinal flora, and cell organelles (mitochondria) that are symbiotic organisms too. So, let's take a hint from this, and ask does hate,anger,fear equal cooperation?
evolutionary review aside the answer is yes... all of these are part of the evolutionary survival method and getting along... without these great EVIL THREE we may never be able to fight fire with fire, evil with good evil? Hatred of evil is a virtue, right? Anger against injustice and predator is good? And fear of heights and bad guys keep us safe... do i really need to explain this or are you so PC liberal hippie induced as to forget these can be positive emotions?
I agree. Each of us is a product of our inner and outer environment. As we change our inner environment ( to one of a peaceful attitude), the way we walk through this world changes, thus changing the outer environment of other people we contact. This in turn can promote a change in their own inner environment.
wow, thats totally cosmic dude - like some psychic plane and field of energy that is collectively shared and intertwined - like totally awesome... lets go surf
@glorp896 I am NOT talking about any psychic plane or energy field that is collectively shared that we can consciously or unconsciously effect. Those are things that do not have any conclusiive evidence, and more so have proof against. So that is a non-subject as far as I am concerned. But, let me ask you, are we not part of each others objective environment? Do your ideas and feelings (inner environment) matter to your loved ones and friends? Do theirs matter to you? THAT'S how change comes.
i was joking about the hippie metaphysical stuff...
sharing objective environments? no, i don't think so... the universe is more subjective to me, we only create arbitrary abstractions to create convenience and consensus of communication with each other (and then like to call it objective...
as to your second question - hardly, i'm quite alone, largely by choice, but i see your point - empathy is quite important, i walk a path of TRYING to be less sociopathic... not that i am.
Yeah, I think putting your head further up your ass is the answer.
Let's see what you have to say after you've lived life as an adult a few more decades. Of course, by then you won't have any pretty flowers to use as a backdrop for your sappy idiocy.
dendryite 1 year ago
great video brother!
evergladepictures 1 year ago
you need to join the love police
see youtube channel: cveitch
TheMadApe 1 year ago
Hello Peacenik. You have invited me to be your friend but one thing you have failed to realize is that I'm not human. I'm an escapee from an animal laboratory where very experiments have turned my primate skin blue an somehow given me the ability to communicate on your level.
Being non-human has certain benefits such as realizing that there is a cancerous plague infesting the Earth. This plague is known by many names:
Illuminati
Financial Terrorists
Military Industrial Complex
Al-CIA-Duh
TMA
TheMadApe 1 year ago
a home invasion is in progress at your house, you have kids & wife home, you have the only known gun, the three of them (negros with 9mm) come in yelling with all their thug fear, hate and anger, like life owes them, from anywhere - your home at the moment... you have a Benelli M-4 (marine version with extra shots). do you approach them with loving peace, flowers and empathetic compassion? or your 12 gauge blasting away? and what emotions might give you the strength to do so? love and/or hate?
glorp896 1 year ago
@glorp896 You see a mother and two children on the verge of starving to death... do you approach them with your 12 gauge of rage, blasting them with fear and hate?
Peacenik 1 year ago
@Peace
i do approach them with my 12 gauge, blasting animals with the fear and hate of their starvation, then they can eat...
why this odd example that i have to respond to?
i'm just using obvious examples of when hate/fear/anger are useful... i'm really not sure peace, joy, love are the best for vigor, victory and survival - maybe only when everybody has enough food? i will admit that one of the most peaceful times in my life has been when i'm long distance running, the second wind...
glorp896 1 year ago
@Peacenik hey, maybe your love for them can be so deep that you don't want them to suffer another moment and you put them out of their misery?
but really, is this question worth asking? i "see" many mothers and children on the verge around the world, i used to give to SAVE THE CHILDREN, but now i would rather fund NORPLANT, sterilization and replacing "defense" budgets with farmers... as Sam Kinison (great stand up comic) said "GO TO WHERE THE FOOD IS! (message to the starving)
glorp896 1 year ago
@glorp896 So, In the spirit of my first impression of Madalyn Murray Ohaire, I think the true evil to hate is the ignorance within people. That's what she fought against and won. It is fighting bad ideas with the weapons of good ideas (more powerful than guns). It is educating oneself in knowledge and facts rather than steeping oneself in emotional dogma, whether it is fear/anger/hate OR hippie dippie peace and flowers.
OnlyHereNow 1 year ago
@OnlyHere
i would argue quite differently, hate isn't necessitated by ignorance, but quite the opposite, knowledge; knowing a problem and focusing on it, maybe too much and maybe not using the right approach or emotion... i remember doing several protests on the streets... it was great fun and a joy for me, taking serious issues and laughing on the streets - others were more bitter and had a bone to pick with the ignorant masses... so your last line expresses some dynamic between this dichotomy
glorp896 1 year ago
@glorp896 I can certainly see we have much difference on how we see the world and how we decide to live in it, but I think we both want a better world no matter what differences we have. Beyond the whole emotional dogma stuff, maybe the question is, what kind of vision do I have for the future of myself and mankind and what responsibility do I have to that vision and what am I doing to bring it about? Do I live in a vacuum, or do the things I say, do, and think have actual consequence?
OnlyHereNow 1 year ago
@glorp896 I just had to add one more very notable quote by Madalyn Murray O'Haire.
"We need a decent, modern, sophisticated, and workable set of standards by which we can get along with ourselves and each other."
OnlyHereNow 1 year ago
@OnlyHereNow
i noticed at your first mad madalyn quote, my first real atheist book to read was WHY I AM AN ATHEIST, her book... focused too much on the historical scientific origins of materialism i thought... despite her dysfunctional family and very sick evil end she is still a shining beacon and clarion call of enlightenment the renaissance didn't quite cover... i read her christian son's book about her/him... see the contrast of late american atheist president ellen johnson and madalyn...
glorp896 1 year ago
@glorp896 What you are demostrating here is the true reality of our nature, what this peacenik is talking about is interesting, cause if i'm nice people are not going to take advantage, not even a person like you....you posted your comment two months ago now see how long it takes for reply...it's all you...lol
Philosophicalish 1 year ago
@Philosophicalish
you think i'm a person to take advantage of others?, even if they are nice to me?... if people are overly nice i actually stay away - its a turn off to me... like WORF of STAR TREK says "Trust is earned, not given away."... i have trust issues... if you are someone that doesn't eat meat, have sex, or do drugs; doesn't have an interruptive ego in conversation, doesn't have kids, no pets, lives alone and prefers this quiet medium then you are someone who avoids using people
glorp896 1 year ago
@glorp896 thanks may peace be with you. thanks for your feedback.
Philosophicalish 1 year ago
@glorp896
You may be one who would benefit from watching other videos by nick
I truly hope you can get past whatever is holding you back in life and find a better way to be.
I am white (I say this because I believe you may assume I'm not) and do not like the example you invented.
impact561 1 year ago
@impact561
@impact561
1st paragraph - its common sense and should require little thinking
2nd: i hope this for all humanity and see no ideal human to shine as an example for all..., and some of us must continue to bare burdens, who else will fight the good fight?- all this peaceful touchy feely nice stuff doesn't get the job done, does it?
3rd: what example - elaborate - Worf or my brief autobiographical sketch you can help verify on my channel intro- got a problem with klingons buster!?
glorp896 1 year ago
@glorp896 I would think LOVE....the love for my family that I am
trying to protect....love would make me blow their fucking heads off....
and I wouldn't feel any better...unless said assailants were dead.
good topic!!
:o)
00MORDRED 1 year ago
@00MORDRED
yes, love and blowing peoples heads off can really go hand in hand - but its the mix of emotions and confluence of variables that creates this equation isn't it? you must also tap into the SITH energy and use the dark side of the force as FEAR, HATE AND ANGER are your most powerful weapons of motivation - love can come when you don't need this great triumvirate of action. Love is more passive and can only become action with hate, fear and anger as its partner. the balance? not sure
glorp896 1 year ago
Peace & Love! :)
fordoginto 1 year ago
aaah, the ghandi idea, mixed with buddhism...
we largely have NO choice in the matter, we are surrounded by the angry, hateful, aggressive... peaceful kind and generous is meaningless when home invaded or during war time, pacifism DOES NOT WORK...
you do transcendental meditation? Tai Chi?
do you think your approach will work in reversing this stat?: from 1976-2000 15,400+ more whites were killed by blacks than blacks were killed by whites in the USA... NRA ALL THE WAY! Peace or a piece?
glorp896 1 year ago
@glorp896 I agree, we ARE surrounded by angry, hateful, agressive people. But we are also surrounded by kind and generous people. You must have come across 1 or 2 kind people in your life that you actually liked. If you are to carry a gun, WHY are you? Is it to just protect your life? Or to preserve a peaceful, safe existence? What DOES peace mean to you? If we live our lives in fear, what kind of life is that?
OnlyHereNow 1 year ago
@OnlyHere
at least one or two... (joking again, many)... WHY? bad guys, thats why, maybe you should read some NRA propaganda, maybe some news once in a while... its your duty to be armed with deadly force AT ALL TIMES that you can, at least a blade and/or some pepper spray. No, i've thought of it in terms of saving others... to preserve peace, but it wouldn't be peaceful if i had to use it to save peace? Peace is boring apathy - FEAR IS VICTORY'S FUEL, there is a reason zombie flix appeal to me
glorp896 1 year ago
@glorp896 Well, if ya look for zombies, I think ya tend to find em. If ya look for good folks, ya might find a few of those too. And as for fear , I take the approach I learned of in "Dune", "I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path. Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain."
OnlyHereNow 1 year ago
@OnlyHereNow
fear is to be balanced, it can be consuming or it can just enough to get you going and the adrenalin pumping... nice eloquent anti-fear quote nontheless...
but i think the great triumvirate of power (ANGER, HATE, FEAR) have been under-rated, we need all three to fight evil, right? the peace, love, joy triumvirate have no effect on those already sold on power... hey, just look at tony montana (SCARFACE)... but at least he saved a woman and her kids, along with the father...
glorp896 1 year ago
@glorp896 adrenalin rush can be addicting though, and throw a person into seeking it all the time, replacing simple pleasure seeking for psychosis. Are not hate, anger, and fear combined with religion, nationalism, etc. the foundation of the "me vs. them" approach to life, which in turn creates most of the violence and wars of the world, which then starts the whole cycle over again, feeding the hate,anger,fear? Is it possible to stop this cycle, or in your case would you even want to?
OnlyHereNow 1 year ago
@OnlyHere
yes i would want to, but i've had MANY fantasies of wiping out ISLAM for instance... Machiavelli is compelling - there is nothing like a dead enemy to solve your problems
having worked for the Waltons of walmart for over 3 years i've had MANY kidnapping-killing fantasies of this billionaire family... i even tried to unionize one of their stores (long story lots of action, even some management violence!)... etc... so HATE ANGER FEAR against evil can defeat it, love peace joy?, hardly
glorp896 1 year ago
@glorp896 Violent fantasies are one thing. No biggy. Its part of human societal conditioning to look at the outside world as an enemy. As I am conditioned by society, others are too. We're all victims of victims down through the ages. No one is spared. ALL OF US SUFFER, even the religious extremist. THAT is the evil. Understanding THIS, is the beginning of its defeat. Hate, anger, fear? Those are for a chicken. What about COURAGE? Cause that's what it takes to learn compassion.
OnlyHereNow 1 year ago
@OnlyHereNow
Einstein said the most important question you can ask is whether you think the universe is friendly or not, THE ANSWER IS OBVIOUS, A BIG NO! i think many are too chicken to embrace the power of HATE FEAR AND ANGER (you know, all that Sith stuff, George Lucas believes the dark side is more powerful...)
hmmm, courage to be compassionate?, the courage to fear with anger those evil people you hate enough to compassionately save the innocent? sound like a good formula?
glorp896 1 year ago
@glorp896 Hate/anger/fear is actually easy. Takes no courage to feel those, or follow their impulses. Why would you want to save the innocent anyway? What is so great about the innocent? Is there something we admire about the innocent? Wonder what that could be?
OnlyHereNow 1 year ago
@OnlyHere
- ever see the bumper sticker: IF YOU AREN'T ANGRY YOUR NOT PAYING ATTENTION, or something like that... These three can be impulsive and they can certainly build slowly over time due to education, realization and understanding an issue. Good innocent questions, i think INNOCENCE is overrated and largely a function of a single incident and context, not the life of an individual... Hate/fear/anger can be a result of innocence having its baptism of fire, initial stages of victimization
glorp896 1 year ago
@OnlyHere
hate-fear-anger, when felt and expressed require FAR MORE COURAGE because you obviously put yourself in a vulnerable position of friction and conflict with others... many are too afraid to rise to this occasion and stay meek and quiet (the meek weak won't inherit the earth BTW)... The rabid angry hateful (fearful?) mad Madalyn murray o'hair certainly had BALLS, courage to openly defy religious america in a time when you were far more at risk for doing so - her story is evidence of this
glorp896 1 year ago
@glorp896 Thnx for intoducing me to Madalyn. heard some of her audio. Quite impressive, courageous, compassionate, educated, not hateful. You may misrepresent and confuse passion and conviction as your evil 3. Quoting her...."An atheist LOVES his fellow man..." , "He strives for involvement in LIFE...." "He wants disease conquered, poverty banished, war eliminated.He wants man to UNDERSTAND and LOVE man. He wants an ethical way of life."
OnlyHereNow 1 year ago
@OnlyHereNow
- should could be quite acerbic, bitter and openly hateful... she actually still has quite a bad reputation even among the atheist community - a real irish fighter! compassionate yes, but i think compassion can be guide by hate/fear/anger - compassion for YOUR cause and NOT theirs... so of course there is some dynamic of love/hate and mixtures of emotions that our all too often collective duality thinking confuses us with, or more aptly put over simplifies things... she is a hero
glorp896 1 year ago
@OnlyHereNow You are right, it takes courage to be compassionate.
Embracing the power of hate and fear, as glorp suggests we do, is the easier option. It is a cop out. It is giving in to the fear that exists.
It takes inner strength to rise above the universal suffering we all feel and it takes courage to share our love and compassion with the world... far more courage than simply adding to the fear and anger in the world.
Peacenik 1 year ago
@Peacenik I agree. It takes a vison as well, an ability to see another kind of future other than the apocalyptic one that so many are programmed with.
OnlyHereNow 1 year ago
@Peace
i suggest a balance, whatever that is in any given situation... if you believe most people are good and the planet is heading in the right direction than all those peaceful hippie emotions may be in order... if you believe change is in order you should always keep the GREAT EVIL THREE in mind and ready for action...
STRENGTH THROUGH JOY is a phrase hitler tried to make popular... STRENGTH THROUGH HATE, FEAR AND ANGER just wouldn't have caught on, but of course these methods can be useful
glorp896 1 year ago
@OnlyHere
THE SCIENCE OF GOOD AND EVIL, a book by pop-scientist, pop atheist debunker Scientific American Michael Shermer, talks about in-group/out-group dynamics... its pretty revealing of our stupid mammalian territoriality and dichotomous tribal thinking that is still deeply ingrained but far more dangerous now in the form of nation-states, as opposed to mere localities of war in the case of tribes... even so kill ratios are higher among tribal systems vs. nation-state wars... interesting
glorp896 1 year ago
@glorp896 A huge reason organisms evolve and survive is because they learn how to cooperate. It's how 1 celled creatures evolved into multicellular. And here we are, a human body, a host of trillions of cells of all kinds of species that learned to live together in order to survive. We have symbiotic intestinal flora, and cell organelles (mitochondria) that are symbiotic organisms too. So, let's take a hint from this, and ask does hate,anger,fear equal cooperation?
OnlyHereNow 1 year ago
@OnlyHereNow
evolutionary review aside the answer is yes... all of these are part of the evolutionary survival method and getting along... without these great EVIL THREE we may never be able to fight fire with fire, evil with good evil? Hatred of evil is a virtue, right? Anger against injustice and predator is good? And fear of heights and bad guys keep us safe... do i really need to explain this or are you so PC liberal hippie induced as to forget these can be positive emotions?
glorp896 1 year ago
Awesome, thank YOU!
molinmusic 1 year ago
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coxinel007 1 year ago
peace bro
djkhaless 1 year ago
Much love!
Lost8Wizard 1 year ago 2
I agree. Each of us is a product of our inner and outer environment. As we change our inner environment ( to one of a peaceful attitude), the way we walk through this world changes, thus changing the outer environment of other people we contact. This in turn can promote a change in their own inner environment.
OnlyHereNow 1 year ago 2
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wow, thats totally cosmic dude - like some psychic plane and field of energy that is collectively shared and intertwined - like totally awesome... lets go surf
glorp896 1 year ago
@glorp896 I am NOT talking about any psychic plane or energy field that is collectively shared that we can consciously or unconsciously effect. Those are things that do not have any conclusiive evidence, and more so have proof against. So that is a non-subject as far as I am concerned. But, let me ask you, are we not part of each others objective environment? Do your ideas and feelings (inner environment) matter to your loved ones and friends? Do theirs matter to you? THAT'S how change comes.
OnlyHereNow 1 year ago
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i was joking about the hippie metaphysical stuff...
sharing objective environments? no, i don't think so... the universe is more subjective to me, we only create arbitrary abstractions to create convenience and consensus of communication with each other (and then like to call it objective...
as to your second question - hardly, i'm quite alone, largely by choice, but i see your point - empathy is quite important, i walk a path of TRYING to be less sociopathic... not that i am.
glorp896 1 year ago