Busting the "Solfeggio Frequencies" Myth

[jcwinnie]

"One must validate"

Am I striving for Internal or External Validity?

[The10amNOodle]

@ TT where are you from? my guess is Spain, Colombia or Venezula

[The10amNOodle]

@ TT your eyes are so beautiful. blush

[mitekillem]

81hz, 108hz, 144hz, 192hz, 242hz, 324hz. Guitar tuning centered around the Natural A = 432Hz.

I will say this. It sounds amazing.

[HealbyEar]

Sure they don't sound like a harmoinc scale together, but if you use equal temperment to one of the tones (e.g. G=396) Then I'm willing to bet you'll find a better reaction. I just don't think people are using them correctly, really.

[drdvd2]

There is Yang element we all do not know enough. (i.e: the receiver...) We all know how to transmit (i.e : ring the bell, tones, frequencies...) What about receiving ? Do we actually know how to receive properly ? Did we 'tuned' in ? Look at the receiver side of a radio circuit. That for the radio, what about ourselves, there is something more to listening only thru the ear. What if a person is deaf ? No hope at all ?

[seshat71]

Actually you need to do deeper research- Pythagoras learned everything he knew as an initiate of the Ancient Egyptian mystery schools. They WERE aware of all of the known tones, that's why they were able to harness sound to create geometric structures. Their units of measurement were based on a entirely different number system upon which the Solfeggio tones make complete numerical sense.

[kozmon0t]

Not nature, not your ears, not your body cells, not your DNA, none have a fucking clue what a second or a hertz is.

[soundbodycenter]

Thank you. I liked your explanation. I only know that I use the Pythagorean tuning forks (Solar Harmonic Spectrum) and that these frequencies correspond to patterns that recur in nature and obviously therefore in the body. I know that they are effective on many levels as I have witnessed with many clients and workshops. I don't think there is any kind of magic tone for Love or for God. If love is all-encompassing how can it fit within the parameters of a specific frequency?

[service4cash]

You have a good point! But when using tones you have to take into consideration the role it plays with how the subatomic frequency and the vibrational resonance manipulates the DNA' into the pure consciousness of light! When using or manipulating vibrations it is only another way of calculating the frequency for ascension into the god DNA and RNA because the two strands are asleep and need also the need of elements and vibratory frequencies and other types of light to activate the process! So y

[MsUkdance]

In your view you may convey the opinion of a person who feels it is their role to as you put it "demystify ". Is this for your benifit.

If not please take a considered view before posting in future.

[Christolyst]

You have a good point, but ONLY within the small area of topic you are talking about.

Please explore the RELEVANCE of the other areas of the topic, you may find it very interesting one you put various notions to various topics.

Not songs.

[Christolyst]

Different scales have different uses.

The computer you are using has a scale of electric cycles ... the megahertz.

TUNING these very precisely is the ONLY reason you are online right now, even the signals that the wires move are tuned for better data transfer. Do you think any of these scales will sound good in a song? Only to me, I like industrial glitch music.

[Christolyst]

Thanks for your work, but I think you are misunderstanding what many people are trying to say about this topic, and the argument you have against the other side, is correct.

There is no reason to assume that if we create music on a western scale using these tones that the music will be pleasant alongside our current music. It may sound only slightly better with an eastern scale, who knows. Are we to say that the eastern scale is stupid because it sounds worse than the beatles? Of course not.

[Christolyst]

You are understanding some people as saying that the frequencies are for making some magical song that will heal you. No one of merit is claiming that directly.

Is IS up for debate exactly HOW MUCH these tones matter, not how well they work in music, that is absolutely irrelevant.

[Christolyst]

I just have to "chime" in. LOL, pun intended. ;)

MUSIC HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH FREQUENCY.

It has to do with arrangement of frequency from a reference point.

Are you going to tell me that the Sun, the loudest thing near us, makes a frequency that is not good for music, therefor it is irrelevant that we bask in this "sound"?

[SoundHealingChannel]

Thanks your your video. I agree with you. I was trying to find out where the information about 528Hz frequency for DNA healing comes from. When I contacted Len Horowitz he told me that he got the information from Dr. Lee Lorenzen.

According to one website I have seen Lee Lorenzen is supposed to have obtained his Doctorate in Nutrition at Metropolitan Collegiate Institute, London, UK. Which is a fake university.

Simon Heather (College of Sound Healing)

[spiritzephyr2222]

Thank you so much for this! I was more then a little frustrated and confused by my repulsion to these tones. They "feel" wrong some how. This helps to explain that a bit.

[jorayx]

Thanks for trying to promote critical thinking.

[AquariusUnleashed]

dude you have the Ut Queant Laxis on your website.

and you just happen to be selling Binaural Beats beats

..............

[TranscendentalTones]

@AquariusUnleashed Thank you for your interest. I am in a quest of finding sounds that can make us transcend and heal as I state in my video. Ut Quant Laxis is a beautiful and old gregorian chant that has nothing to do with the Solfeggio scam. I do believe in the power of gregorian chanting, mainly because of the purity of its melody, since it only uses limited intervals. Binaural beats have been in my field of research for years. Also no connection to Solf. Can you be specific with your claim?

[AquariusUnleashed]

@TranscendentalTones

what are you talking about Ut Quant Laxis was the musical work in which Solfeggio was rediscovered. Numerous books have been written by people with Phds plenty of scientific research has been done to verify the findings on Solfeggio you are the second person online to refute Solfeggio and you both have no sources to back it up but both you guys just happen to have your own stuff to sell......

[TranscendentalTones]

@AquariusUnleashed Yes, so goes the fairy tale that has been copied and pasted into dozens of sites. Fact is, however, that if you placed the frequencies of the "Solfeggio" instead of the original (pythagorean) musical notes in the Ut, Re, Mi... syllables in the song it would sound awful. I guess if you have no knowledge about music and sound physics, then this fairy tale would be comfy to believe in. But if you know how to put the pieces together and you see they don't fit, the tale evaporates.

[trineural2012]

yess but what are inches etc based on.

what is the metronom

so What then is harmonic now

compared to what?

the size of the universe?

or of a water molecule?

[TranscendentalTones]

@trineural2012 Harmonics have nothing to do with units. They are a physical phenomenon occurring at natural unitless intervals with respect to any base frequency. The units we invented to represent physical phenomena like tones are purely arbitrary and historic. Yet people claim some tone must be special, bc its representation with an arbitrary unit gave a sacred number. I frankly do prefer meditating to a tone, which is proportional to the size of a water molecule. At least it's not made-up.

[trineural2012]

@TranscendentalTones ok thanks i needed to hear this, it ill take a while to digest the word,im still learning englisch, but i already toucht so.. that harmonic and units..

are difirent things.

peace

[pitterpattern]

@TranscendentalTones Harmonics are a corresponding proportion, ratio, fraction..

[TranscendentalTones]

@InUnbiasedEyes I would love to see such studies myself. An easy experiment would be to use cymatics at the specified frequencies and compare the results versus other random frequencies. Check if the patterns of the solf. frequencies are more beautiful, more elaborate etc. The point I try to make is that if the numbers representing these frequencies were dimensionless, indeed they would be sacred. It is the unit Herz, which we use to measure or define a given wave that throws everything off...

[InUnbiasedEyes]

Hi everyone. And thanks for the post. It is refreshing to see someone challenge these tones. I am still however slightly reluctant to just toss them away as hogwash. I'd be grateful to hear someone speak on the other options used through the ages. For example is the ratio between the notes the most important factor like you've suggested in this video(the fact that it doesnt sound as harmonious in as a scale)

[marcusphotina]

Hello! I agree with everything you say in your video and I posted your video in my blog. Thanks for the video!

[InfiniteSpiral112358]

there are 9. the 'ancient myth of 6 solfeggio frequencies' is wrong because it is missing three... the full set is 174hz, 285hz, 396hz, 417hz, 528hz, 639hz, 741hz, 852hz, 963hz. please study/research this now and see if you come up with the same opinion that these are not healing in any way. i myself do not attribute whatever "title" like the 'liberating fear' title for a frequency. i do know there is something about these 9 though. when i meditate to them it is beyond. please re-check??

[josephjrubeo]

I thought the Solfeggio scale had 9 notes, and you only played 7 on the scale.

[karennorwegian]

This is a very interesting presentation. The speaker has a most pleasing voice. I am sensitive to sounds, and believe the ancient healing ragas do indeed heal by balancing our cells as Hindus believe. Not only ancient ragas, but many other sounds have healing and balancing effects on people who listen and allow these effects on their person. Thank you for yr talk. I hope you teach on more posts regarding sound effects.

[paulbearerblkz]

yea you make a point

[privatepersonalc]

I completely agree with you!

[happyblackness]

Finally some sense!

[Helden6621]

i wonder what the real sound of silence is :)

[1allstarman]

Actualy we know, everything we experience in the physical realm is founded in vibrational frequencies, even the cells of our bodies ,so it would make sense sympathetic frequencies would support, and disharmonic ones (actual not percieved) would interfere.all human attempts at adjusting temperment are bastardized versions of the truth.there is some thought the spiritual realm can be accessed through manipulation of certain frequencies, which is , no doubt , in my opinion , what the monks are doin

[allen7studios]

Venus is the only Planet that rotates clockwise.

[goeatbox1]

This guy has good supporting evidence to his theory. The whole solfeggio tones thing is just internet trash. You most likely won't need to find a book published by a company with your money in their crosshairs to prove TranscendentalTones RIGHT or wrong.

[lcrysta]

I cant say that i believe that these things have "healing properties" but these note follow the harmonic overtones that come out naturally. Most early instruments were based on the harmonic series.

[MDefsquad9]

What do you have to say about a note that is in the 440hz frequency..like note F...should we avoid 440hz..very controversial top on the web..

[chucho7777]

@MDefsquad9 The controversy is not about "a" note with a freq of 440 Hz, but of the convention of centering the whole tuning system around A=440Hz as "anchoring point". In the middle ages everyone tuned their instruments as they pleased. When music started to become globalized, people had to agree on a standard. First they chose the tuning of important church organs in europe. Directors and composers started to raise the pitch, bc it always sounded more crisp, more nice the higher you went.

[chucho7777]

@MDefsquad9 Eventually they had to put an end to the frequency raising frenzy and a world standard was set at A=440Hz. Some people maintain that the old tuning of the major church organs was God-inspired and thus had some transcendental meaning. The standard is said to have been influenced in part by the very catholic church, to keep the people away from the ancient and more powerful tones.

[chucho7777]

@MDefsquad9 My take: 1. The A=440 standard speaks of absolute terms, where you "anchor" your scale. It leaves out the question of relative tuning scales completely (the current standard of tuning scales is the equal tempered scale, also subject to controversy). Both sides are important if you are concerned with the quality or transcending properties of tones and music.

[chucho7777]

@MDefsquad9 2. The absolute pitch to choose, seems to me ever less critical. I find the relationships (tuning scales) and the richness of the tone, that is the presence of overtones, the "texture" to be more important. Examples of these are the gregorian chants, since they never stick to a particular pitch, but respect the intervals very strictly; and the indian instruments, which have a wonderful texture and plenty of overtones. Again, they don't pay much attention to the absolute pitch either.

[snowrider76]

@TranscendentalTones close, but no dice. there is a difference between what the mind finds aesthetically pleasing and how the body resonates with the universe. i do honor your opinion, but this is apples and oranges....or is it? if the mind is pleased, thus will be the body. there are two variables that you didn't take into account....the subconscious and the magnetic field. i am engaged with you and would enjoy you to change my point of view. thank you for this video.

[wwood14]

Is there a good book on this?? I just got the book by horowitz and will read it with the understanding that he may be wrong.. Where can I read about this??

[TranscendentalTones]

@wwood14 I wish I knew of a good book on this topic. Do research and write the first one!

[pitterpattern]

@wwood14 you might enjoy "The Cosmic Octave" by Hans Cousto

[igoditigodit]

that is not the point, the solfeggio has to be binaurally input into the ear

one ear one hz the other ear another hz and it vibrates the glands,

the body is a vehicle of neg and pos or two waves in one, so too with these

special sound waves, and how, How THEY COME INTO THE BODY and also

do you know if any of the sound waves have a 72 meter or 72 number to it?

[geminicatman]

I thought that the *only* thing the Solfeggio Frequencies were credited for was vibrating in sympathy with certain groups of cells. Why the heck have so many decided that they need to be "musical", and then dismiss them on those grounds?

[TranscendentalTones]

@geminicatman To try to answer your question, I think it's because someone has created a phantasy about how these tones were discovered: they were supposed to be the original tones of an ancient gregorian hymn. How exciting, how romantic! It is this myth that I intend to dismiss, quite irrefutably thus far, I think. Then, people copy-paste this misinformation in dozens of sites, and good-willing people keep buying Solfeggio Frequency mp3s thinking they have miraculous powers. This is just abuse.

[AsheraHart]

I've been teaching and researching the solfeggio frequencies for over 10 years and they are based on the blueprint of creation and relate to Dr Peter Plichta's work. they are based on maths and cannot be compared with the equal-tempered/piano scale. they have been used in therapies for the past 60 years at least starting as a treatment for insomnia in Russia then depression, drug addiction etc. If you'd like to find out more please check out my channel and website. Hope that helps! thanks

[Extralander]

La frecuencia sonora no nesesariamente debe ser para el oido.

Es la vibracion de cada frecuencia, lo que afecta la estructura atomica del cuerpo fisico y electromagnetico.

Fijate que todas estas frecuencias siguen el patron 3-6-9 y si sumas multiplicas o divides las frecuencias de la manera que tu quieras, encontraras que el numero resultante es siempre 9.

veras que no es arbitraria

Por eso son 9 las frecuencias

y no 7 o 12 como en la escala de Schönberg

No se deben comparar una con otra

[YeahLoveIsStronger]

Hi Guillermo! You can not include every frequency of the solfeggio in a single scale and expect it to sound harmonious. What you must do to create beautiful healing music with them is tune your instrument to one of them and then play in the even temperament tuning centred around your selected pitch.

Be blessed brother.

[TranscendentalTones]

@YeahLoveIsStronger Thanks a lot for your constructive and valuable input. The fact that these frequencies do not work in a scale is the first element of my critique, because that's the way how their origin is explained: supposedly each solf. freq. was a note from the major scale (Ut, Re, Mi...) from a gregorian Chant called Ut Queant Laxis. The second element of my critique is the choice if each frequency having a round number only when measured in Herz.

[TranscendentalTones]

@YeahLoveIsStronger (cont) All solf. freq as pure numbers create nice geometrical relationships with e.o. and the numbers themselves have interesting numerological properties. But a nice number as symbol is not necessarily a nice tone, because how you measure that tone is arbitrary. The tone 528 Hz can also be represented as a tone with 567.803 km wavelength. The exact tone, different units, no longer a nice round number. So are these freq really magical? (cont)

[gkamericoast]

@TranscendentalTones your replies were all excellent but you left a few people's questions unanswered. i'd love to hear your responses

[TranscendentalTones]

@gkamericoast Thanks for your interest. I love to respond to genuine comments or interesting questions. I don't claim to hold the ultimate truth, I open the floor for an intelligent and constructive exchange of ideas in hopes to enrich my own understanding. I usually do not respond to intellectually unchallenging contributions to this blog, especially if I sense an intolerance of different views, or fanaticism of any kind.

[TranscendentalTones]

@YeahLoveIsStronger I wish they were! The whole story of the gregorian chant and the numerology makes it feel romantic, as if they were really transcendental tones. But I doubt they really are, I think there's a lot of wishful thinking and no real substance. I want to find truly archetypal tones with real healing properties. Like the tone of OM (136.10 Hz). Do you know of other relevant tones? Bless you, too, brother.

[AlexKalicinski]

There are 9 solfeggio frequencies. I have been experimenting with the Solfeggio frequencies for a couple years now. I have to say they really have helped me with stress and depression. Also in the past couple months I have been playing with Non-newtonian fluids and the Solfeggio Freqs do some wierd stuff. Try it out sometime. Also try tuning a guitar to them and play around. You will find some interesting relationships.

[YeahLoveIsStronger]

@AlexKalicinski Amen brother! Keep up the good work!

[TranscendentalTones]

@AlexKalicinski Thank you for your response! Regardless of if something can be explained using reason or not, what matters is how it makes YOU feel. If you find the solf. freq. impact you positively, keep using them! I'm totally with you. Regarding the non-newtonian fluids, could you explain more, or send a link? Have you noticed a different effect on the fluid if you use a non-solfeggio tone? Does it behave specially only with the solf. tones? That would be an important comparison to make.

[PhenomXmanifestO]

@TranscendentalTones You either don't even know what you are talking about and didn't investigate seriously nor in depth, or you do what you are doing and your goal is to make people doubt the truth. You present false demonstration of tones of the solfegio... I beg others to do their own research and see how deceptive you are when describing. Odd that you offer practically no significant evidence for solfegio and mislead by false info on it, but so eloquent with your info. watch?v=3fqlAtRPr-I

[TranscendentalTones]

@PhenomXmanifestO Please be specific on how my demonstration is false. I proved that the solfeggio tones do not harmonize with themselves by simply playing the basic major chord Do-Mi-Sol. Do it yourself: play the frequencies for Ut (Do) = 396Hz, Mi = 528Hz and Sol = 741Hz together. I just hear a lousy noise. Relative tone frequencies come from the mathematics of harmonics, as discovered by Pythagoras 2500 years ago, not from numerological trickery, nor from some romantic yet misinformed myth.

[PhenomXmanifestO]

@TranscendentalTones First, the Ancient Solfegio is 6 musical frequencies (396,417,528,639,741,852 hz) They respect your pure mathematical tones you suggest. The 528 hz frequency is the most puzzling as even the DNA scientist cannot repair DNA without the discovery of the 528 hz sound frequency. It is also the frequency of the color green which nature derives all its life force. /... to cont.

[TranscendentalTones]

@PhenomXmanifestO Just how do the s frequencies respect the pythagorean pure intervals? Instead of, say, the 3/2 mathematically pure interval of a fifth, with the s numbers I get something like 1.87121. From your argumentation (same copy-paste of all these kind of sites), it becomes apparent that you confuse absolute tones with relative intervals or scale types. I do not support the A=440 standard, but this is not a relative scale type, but a global tuning convention. please do your homework.

[PhenomXmanifestO]

@TranscendentalTones Accusing of others what you are! When you mature and grow a little bit more, maybe you will notice that you have longs way to go before having a decent conversation. You didn't even mentioned to others what you make them hear with your 3 notes which 2 of them is coined the DEVILS INTERVAL which is the most dissonant to the ear, proving that what you say is sound in mind.?!? ENTER THIS BETWEEN YOUR EARS IF YOU CAN: 528HZ IS USED IN GENETICS TO REPAIR BROKEN DNA.

[PhenomXmanifestO]

@TranscendentalTones 528 HZ IS PART OF THE ANCIENT SOLFEGIO AS THE C NOTE AND WERE 6, IF THE SOUND REPAIRS DNA AND I CAN PRODUCE THAT VIBRATION WITH MY OWN VOICE, THE HELL WITH YOUR MYTH. IF IT IS GOOD ENOUGH FOR GENETICS WHICH I AM ENTIRELY MADE, THEN IT IS GOOD ENOUGH FOR ME. I AM NOT BARKING AT YOUR TREE, BUT LETTING OTHERS JUDGE BY THEMSELVES WHICH OF US IS MORE RELEVANT.

[PhenomXmanifestO]

@PhenomXmanifestO Sorry Folks: 528hz is part of the ancient solfegio as the E(mi) note which some tune their musical instruments to make the E(mi), the middle C(ut-do), which makes a great difference over the standard of A=440 Hz. - watch?v=3fqlAtRPr-I

[PhenomXmanifestO]

@TranscendentalTones ... cont./ The interval between 528Hz and 741Hz in musicology is known as the “Devil’s interval” because of its dissonant quality (i.e., severe disharmony). The probability that this occurred by chance is too remote to conclude anything other then those advancing “A = 440” must have known about the original Solfeggio and the “Devil’s Interval” peak frequency 741. Some discovered that the tone “F#” in the 741Hz Solfeggio scale, is identical to “A” in standard 440Hz tuning.

[PhenomXmanifestO]

@TranscendentalTones It is suggested that standard musical tuning in “A” = 440Hz subjects listeners to chronic agitation and bioelectric degeneration, and may inhibit psychosocial maturation and spiritual evolution. As 528Hz frequency is central to Pi, PHI, the Fibonacci series, sacred geometry, the electromagnetic sound and light spectrums, and the heart of the musical mathematical matrix of creation then bioenergetic therapies would best begin using this foundational frequency.

[AsheraHart]

@TranscendentalTones Hi there if you want to know more deeply about the maths and science behind the solfeggio as it's not a new fad it's actually based on the maths of nature, then maybe you'd like to check out my channel and website, thanks Ashera

[PhenomXmanifestO]

@AsheraHart Thank you very much for your invitation

[FunkmeisterMattyMatt]

The way I see it, is that those notes are not to be used as a scale. But the single notes as sine waves have a therapeutic effect. so if you are listening to them each day for 10 minutes a day for six weeks new synaptic pathways are created in your brain. I became very inspired and creative. have you checked out the work of Hans Cousto? planetary frequencies! people need to be exposed to a bigger variety of frequencies, there are 100 cent in a half step and we are missing all those notes, peace

[TranscendentalTones]

@FunkmeisterMattyMatt Thanks a lot for your comments. I agree with you that the Solfeggio tones are not to be used as a scale. Here's the first bust, since there is no connection between the notes of the musical scale (Ut, Re Mi, Fa, Sol, La Si) and the Solfeggio notes, which is their claim of origin. I also agree with you that we have been neglecting all the notes in between semitones since we agreed on A=440 Hz, and that there may be healing qualities hidden in certain other frequencies.

[TranscendentalTones]

@FunkmeisterMattyMatt But I still have to be convinced that bc the Solfeggio notes happen to have round, nice numbers when expressed in Hz (but not when expressed in anything else) they must be somehow special. The Cousto frequencies, however, I do consider special, bc their quality is independent of the measuring stick (whether Hz or not). Their quality is intrinsic in that they represent naturally established rhythms in our solar system. My whole channel here deals with those frequencies, btw.

[FunkmeisterMattyMatt]

@TranscendentalTones Right on man! I'll check out some more of your stuff! peace brother, keep up the good work!

[1111wonton]

@FunkmeisterMattyMatt Hey, there is some guy Jamie Buturff, who from the rodin coil has found that these frequencies, are pathways... PATHWAYS, which frequecies move through... could be a connection perhaps... the website versalsynergy com finds geometry, i am agreeing with this guy infact... A = 432??? this number is showing up all over the place... hit me up for the LINK.... onelove

[RaoEver]

@TrancendentalTones. In all honesty you're arguments are nonsense. You think... it is better. What does it matter that you think. Like this makes your idea valid because you think. You're mired in nonsense about manmade and nonmanmade and then argue in tones and half tones, that are man made. You're just saying things, bring anything substantial to show back up your talk. All you do is say this is bad and we think better.

[TranscendentalTones]

@RaoEver Thanks for commenting. Your remarks are rather vague and at times unintelligible, but I'll try to respond. Tones and half tones are not man made! They are natural manifestations in sound of the way a wave resonates with all its harmonics. What is man made and was done for convenience was the later correction to an equal-tempered scale, where the tones and semitones are no longer exactly the harmonics. In my video I play a pythagorean scale, which is the natural one.

[TranscendentalTones]

@RaoEver Regarding your opinion about what I think. Well, we need to think before we just approve anything we read or hear. If you don't think for yourself, you just repeat; you just wish something cool you just read is the truth, because it makes you feel cozy inside, but it might be a fallacy! What a waste of time! I like to use the intellect and subject the things I come across to logic scrutiny. Sometimes it is easy to dismiss a claim, to then engage your resources into something useful.

[RaoEver]

@TranscendentalTones

That's the thing you just talk. How about looking at what you talk as something not cool but question if it has any merit. You provide no substance just talk.

[sn1pe352]

@TranscendentalTones Thank god, the first person I have come across that uses the same pythagorean epistemology as one should expect :D

I specialize in music theory and acoustics-mechanics (as well as fluid dynamics / temperature difference gradients) etc

And you are the first person Ive come across that see's the significance beyond this meta-physical jargon which has been perpetuated for a long time now,

I posted a video response to this particular video, i hope you like it :D

[PhenomXmanifestO]

@TranscendentalTones Sure, why not take the right attitude we should have towards things we come across and presume instantly that you have uncovered the biggest hoax ever of the Ancient Solfegio. Either you are a disinformant or plainly imbecile. Folks, do you research. If you agree with him, you deserve him. Like my flying instructor said to me one day:"People often hit a mountain in night flying and die usually from it, but if you hit a mountain during the day, you deserve it.

[siclos]

From what I've seen, Solfeggio is about willful self-delusion. They produce results because the people using them want to believe they will produce results. If you could alter the frequencies someone was using without them noticing, afterwards I expect they'd still claim positive results despite using the "wrong" frequencies.

The frequencies are supposedly ancient, but Hertz and the ability to measure them are quite modern. The creators would've had to see the future, or travel in time.

[ross140390]

also hertz relates the frequencies to space time, which in my opinion validates its usage as a unit of measurement. i believe all energies in the universe are connected, and their are some beautiful theories that stem from such discussions. i think everybody would agree that the feel, or 'tone' of music has particular effects on peoples psyche's. and i think it is definitely fair to say that the sound frequencies are of significant power in their physical manifestation. but i am open minded!

[TranscendentalTones]

@ross140390 Thanks for your comments. I agree with you that retuning to a different basis than the standard A=440Hz can lead to a difference in cognition, perhaps a positive one. Musicians did this in the middle ages, always tuning their instruments a bit higher, to get a more "crisp" sound, until they eventually agreed on the 440 standard. My problem is not with shifting the basis, but with tuning each individual note to the so-called solfeggio frequencies of 396, 417, 528, etc.

[TranscendentalTones]

@ross140390 The intervals between the frequencies of the so-called solfeggio do not match the harmonic progression of the notes they are supposed to replace. So if you replace your C with ud=396 Hz, your D with re=417 Hz, your E with mi=528 Hz and so on what you get is absolute nonsense. For instance, the interval between ud and re is roughly a semitone, not a whole tone. The interval between ud and mi is a fourth instead of a third, and so on.

[TranscendentalTones]

@ross140390 Regarding the unit Hz... Of course it is valid as a unit of measurement. My problem, is the claim that a frequency of exact 528 Hz is more special than, say 529 or 530. My argument is that the unit is arbitrary, so whatever nice numerological tricks you pull on the numbers do not bear any significance on the actual sonic phenomena they represent.

[TranscendentalTones]

@ross140390 Think of us having selected a different atomic rate of decay to define one second (and hence one Herz). The special sound, which we measured to have a frequency of 528 Hz would no longer be this magic number, but something completely out of the ordinary, like 517.56374 or whatever. So nice, round, magic numbers of a measurement in an arbitrary, human-made unit bear no special significance to the sonic phenomena they intend to represent. Tell us exactly how you re-tuned your guitar!

[ross140390]

I dont think the solfeggio chord sounds "worse" but different. I have just re-tuned my guitar to the solfeggio 528, and what i notice is the resonance of the notes. they have a much 'clearer' definition, and i can personally feel a particular physiological effect as a result. the tuning is ever so slightly different, it barely makes a difference, but the effect of the ringing chords when they are played alongside each other allows for these permeating frequencies. there is something in it

[nomosappiens]

I understand what you are trying to tell us. The units depens on the context of what we are meassuring. I like the acoustic phenomena and I understad very well the scales, the nature of sound and and its properties because I am a man of sound. But I think you are only focusing in a little part of physics, there are also cymatics, psycho acoustics, etc. I respect your theories but in my opinion numerology has nothing to do with the effects created by sollfeggio frecuencies in our perception.

[TranscendentalTones]

@nomosappiens Solfeggio frequencies are based on a set of numbers that create a sacred geometry and interesting numerological properties among them, yet the number on its own has no intricate meaning to the corresponding tone, whatsoever. I was inclined to believe that the ratios of the numbers did, since ratios are dimensionless. But I played a scale using those ratios and it just sounds horrible.

[TranscendentalTones]

@nomosappiens It would be interesting to subject a sand plate to a solfeggio frequency and see what kind of pattern emerges, and if the pattern is in any way special, or more elaborate that that of another frequency, or even sacred in its geometry. I'd love to do that experiment. As of psychoacoustics, I too am very interested in that topic, which is why I want to separate myth from truth. The solfeggio propaganda just doesn't convince me one bit. Yet.

[nomosappiens]

Good!! but I think you dont bust the myth at all . Your explanations and arguments don't have enough support. However it makes me think a lot and I will research to find a reason for discredit solfeggio frecuencies. Remember!! there is not only the pure tone, there are also the harmonics and subharmonics.

[TranscendentalTones]

@nomosappiens The main argument is that numerology has no meaning when applied to a human convention, such as the measurement of a tone in the particular unit of Herz, because changing the unit changes the number, but not the tone. You either get it or you don't. As for harmonics and subharminocs, yes they exist as a multiple of the main tone, because any resonating mass will accommodate possible waves that fit in the same space. This has nothing to do with the first argument, it's just physics

[CaninAble]

I'm with you on practically every word you said. Thank you. And your website is a very worthwhile resource! So thanks some more!

[mygodiswithin]

FINALLY someone who says exactly what I've been thinking all along.

[MortimerTexeira]

I don't have enough understanding of where those frequencies come from; whether they are really divine inspiration, or just a play with numbers. The only thing I can say is doubtful is the fact that all the sites that talk about it state the exact same 5 or 6 statements. It does seem copy/pasted. Who has the source of the info? How has it been verified? Is there alternative, independent research on this subject?

[TranscendentalTones]

@softsummernights:

It's great that you stand for your beliefs. My opinion is not set in stone, I open the floor for discussion, and I will consider differing arguments carefully to widen my own understanding. Maybe you want to share what your opinion actually is?