This music really fits with the city I am making in minecraft its medieval based near the end so with light houses and a lot of hidden paths so I cant wait tell i am done with it ^_^ ill be shore to upload a video of it when I am done.
I can't.....can't...not to listen to these masterpiece's . I like liquid DnB and maybe this even more. Remember playing stronghold and this kind of music in the background. Ah....
@SoldierofMetal1: This is beautiful. Can you tell any more about the derivation of the song itself or about Guillaume De Machaut? I would like to find more work like this by the same author.
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We know that bagpipes and large full body harps back in Ireland and Pict-ish Scotland to the time of the Romans based upon information extracted from the writings of the soldiers and merchants stationed at the various 'gate' forts along Hadrian's wall. The Arabs had their form of bagpipes probably derived from much earlier Neolithic Indo-European examples brought by the Persian Aryan invaders
@SoldierofMetal1 The piece is believed to have been written by the 14th C. French poet and musician Guillaume De Machaut, who was pretty heavily influenced by the Arabian instruments imported to Europe following the Crusades. The stringed instrument that Stella Splendens was originally intended for was probably the uud/oud, a Middle-Eastern predecessor of the lute. This recording could well have been performed on a lute accompanied by the bagpipes (another Arabian import), and a flute.
Just dont get what has Jesus to do with the priests, or medieval times darkness. The truth is that modern science and modern times discoveries were all made within the christian culture.
Medieval times are usually called dark ages because we know a very little about it; not because of the church. In fact, thanks to it we know a lot about this illuminated ages for arts.
@belegulo You're right. The Dark Ages refers to the period after the collapse of Roman influence across Europe, a sort of intellectual Cold Turkey period. The Pre-Medieval and Medieval Church, despite it's flaws, was the little barbiturate that Western civilisation needed in order to flourish.
Another question lads... what the fuck is your problem with people arguing about the relationship of science and religion?! Clearly, if the situation wouldn't be so complicated and, let's face it, fucked up, there would merely be so much debate going on. But why, for God's sake, do you want to stop people from expressing opinions and seeking the truth?? If you don't like arguments, don't read the comments, it ain't obligatory! Arguing people can also enjoy the music.
Can you Shut up talking about Religion and other stuff!! Just chill and listen to this Amazing Medieval Song's...i so wish i live in Medieval! <3 <3 luv this song..
@ABdadaSURD if you want to be able to play any instrument to a decent standard be prepared for HARD HARD HARD work and also be prepared to do it DAILY; which habit may instead become drudgery.
being a musician is not all it is cracked up to be unless you are so obsessed you can think of nothing else.
I was a musician but not obsessed enough, talent without obsession will not be enough to get there
@Strefanasha Amen to that. I'm a current music major going for my undergrad...it's definitely a lot of work. The benefits are truly worth it though, for amateurs and professionals alike!
To anyone arguing about church and such...the Catholic church had rule over sacred music, such as the Gregorian chants. But his is totally secular...this is the type of music the jongleurs and trobadours would play...or the "gypsies" if you will.
for those who argue against science. Without scientific research of historians, archeologists, experts in music etc. we wouldnt know so much of the medieval times. Think about it.
But religion has nothing to do with this wonderfull music.
im here through an early love of iron maiden. a love of lord of the rings, and anything that even slightly smells like its medieval. fuck all to do with science or religion
Brilliant, I love it. I must start building my list up again. I've lost or deleted most of my medieval stash. The music is good. What I would recommend is getting a book about medieval politics and read it. All the laws and manuscripts are written. Reading it is like looking into the past. Very cool.
Music does come from emotion, so I'm told. I wouldn't actually know what emotion feels like. The mediæval mindset, though, was soaked in Christian teaching (which was, it must be said, often inaccurate to Scripture). So, these discussions of religion cannot be entirely irrelevant.
@aulits But culture can't evolve without soul. If it didn't take someone to stand out and be different because they felt it in their soul, nothing would ever change.
Aren't there forums where people with imaginary friends can go and debate with others their formalised fears about death?
Stop "debating" religion like the pseudo-intellectuals you like to think you are and enjoy the song. If you want to pollute the comments page, do it on one of one of the X factor's winners songs. No-one will care if you ruin that.
@MegaPepper123 Without the solid base of the Medieval Europe, Ressainance would have never happened. When did the universities appear? And something that not too many historians want to admit is that the Church was a big promoter of Arts, Music,and Science. A lot of science music and art people were clergymen. And if they weren't clergymen, at least some of them were promoted by Church and lords. Medieval organization was perfect for that times.Remember the chaos before the fall of Rome in 476
@peloavila the Chruch was NOT a big supporter of the arts and sciences, where did you hear that? do you have any idea how many people were put on trial for their revolutionary ideas that were deemed heresy? supporting the arts and sciences makes people think outside the box, the Church was not into that, in case you didnt know.
@RyZombie619 The church was most certainly a supporter of art in various forms. Without the church we wouldn't have the Gregorian way of writing music, which is used universally in the Western world to this day. When it came to science, the chuch supported what confirmed their perspective of the world, but they did alot of ill to those who had discovered proof that contradicted it, like Galileo did. Alot of scientist were clergy, which meant they rarely contradicted the bible in their hypothesis
@koivandon good point, yes art was something the church contributed to, but science was the main thing that they didnt want people coming up with new ideas.
@RyZombie619 Yes, true rationalists were rarely clergy, since that is rather contradictory to faith (unless you're willing to question that faith), however the clergy is also responsible for our understanding of genetics, thanks to the monk Mendel, allthough that was AFTER the enlightement. I think you need to take all information with a bit of salt, though their treatment of Galileo and others also suggests that many of the stories of the church's cruelty might be true.
@koivandon I do not believe a big part of the history that historians wants to teach us. They always tried to create a negative image of the Church (not only the historians). Just see that many universities were created by the Pope( not only in the middle ages), for example the Sapienza University of Rome (founded in 1303). And it is not necessary to go back hundred of years ago to see that. In my city the university was created by the Church.And most of the schools of my country too.
@peloavila I must second RyZombie here. The Church was very conservative during the middle ages, and continued to be conservative even after the enlightenment. True, they did found several universities, but what you also need to remember is that they more often than not were educating would-be priests and clergy in the ways of the bible. Most other trades, such as science and art etc., you had to learn from a master as an apprentice. Alas, the chuch has little claim to the evolution of science.
@koivandon exactly, I mean after all, it is usually creation vs science right? so why would the Church have anything to do with science? they didn't have much to do with it. and art? yes, only in the sense of the art you see in churches. the other art, the church had nothing to do with. let's not forget this is the same church that sold indulgences for salvation, that only read sermons in Latin when many didnt even speak it, that didnt allow common folk to own a Bible.....
@koivandon Well. I'm studying medicine, and I am catholic. Pasteur was catholic, and Volta, and Ampere, and Pascal, and Mendel, and Nicolas Steno and Roger Bacon and René Descartes. And the nexts weren't catholic but they do believe in God : Einstein, Newton, Francis Bacon, Johan Kepler,Faraday, Max Plank,etc.
As you see, most of the great scientists believed in God. Actually, the media and the fake scientists have been trying to create the thinking that the Church was always against science.
@peloavila I think you've sort of missed my point. I mentioned the example of Mendel and yes, there are scientists that have been clergy and christians, but the majority of the scientists you mentioned where born after the Enlightenment. That single period of history, along with the French revolution, changed the entire political and religious climate with regards to science. The focus of the discussion was the middle ages, and the church did work against the enlightenment, which succeeded it.
@peloavila To be even more specific, the argument centered around the church as a central body, not the people who were part of it. Furthermore, I can clarify that I'm neither Christian, nor an atheist and am not biased to either side really. I read into actions and defined the argument as predating the Enlightenment. Science which follewed that period cannot be contributed to the church, but to the change that had been wrought in the overall climate.No longer could they suppress "bad knowledge"
@RyZombie619 I do not believe a big part of the history that historians wants to teach us. They always tried to create a negative image of the Church (not only the historians). Just see that many universities were created by the Pope( not only in the middle ages), for example the Sapienza University of Rome (founded in 1303). And it is not necessary to go back hundred of years ago to see that. In my city the university was created by the Church.And most of the schools of my country too.
Science is the law of earth, but emotions are an exception for all persons. In this case is the emotions who are used. Oh and religion idk, i dont have one :/
@xAcxDcx Yeah, the music rouses so much emotion in most people that they'll let it [the emotions] control them and not the other way. Then they go off on a stupid rant and cause a deba-- oh look, a lion/panther cub at 0:47! :D
@xAcxDcx It has everything to do with science and religion, in accordance with the Dawkins' Law of YouTube Comments, stating: "Arguments of a religious and/or political nature shall always be present regardless of the nature of the video."
@xAcxDcx oh my, everything is everything.diferences are proporcional how you see the thing.
Music have to do with history and society, like religion and Science, and if this everythig come to us. this HAVE TO DO, YES", this have to do with this glorious music..This is all perfection..But you have all the right when you say
"Why don't you guys go argue somewhere else please and settle your differences by jousting. "
Becouse people who dont Know the diference of music dont know how big it is...
@xAcxDcx agreed that arguments need to be taken elsewhere but it pertains to science because the specific notes are all part of a harmonic spectrum that when placed in this order makes some good ass music and it has to do with religion because often times these musical compositions would be centered on or inspired by religion.
@xAcxDcx Contemporary materialist science doesn't acknowledge the existence of the soul (it even relativizes its meaning), therefore denying the existence of the cradle of such beautiful music. Religion does the opposite. This is what.
@kexember Even someone who upholds a materialistic instead of a dualistic philosophy, like myself, would still argue creativity is possible. Creativity is then seen as a product of the mind, not 'the soul'. What we call inspiration would thus be of an immanent nature, not a transcendent one. Perhaps that’s hard to accept, and as a composer and musician I would perhaps like to see it differently, but it’s something I’ve come to accept, for now.
@drummerponsi Who said anything about dualism, I'm a monotheist. "Materialistic philosophy" is an oxymoron, for materialism is not the love but the hatred of wisdom (or the love of pseudo-wisdom). The mind is responsible for thoughts and awareness, and though it's possible to try to compose music using its abilities, the results will be nothing like music born of a soul susceptible of transcendental inspiration. And if you can't be convinced that materialism is wrong, well, I couldn't care less.
@kexember I’m afraid you don’t really seem to get what I’m trying to say. What you described earlier is what's called a ‘dualistic’ view on the mind-body problem. It doesn’t surprise me to hear you are a monotheist, since most monotheists have a dualistic answer to this problem. When I refer to my materialistic philosophical point of view, I’m talking about my answer on the mind-body problem. It’s also the reason why I call immanent what you call transcendent, that is all.
@drummerponsi Well, if by "dualism" you meant that I think that the body and the soul are separate things (joined together during a person's lifetime), you were correct.
@MegaPepper123 But i guess its naive to think that people with get over their minds full of superstition and sheep like behaviour. So again, some conflicts wont end in a 1000 years if you ask me.
@MegaPepper123 Then id like some proof of where the Arabs were left alone and treated fairly etc. I wont just take your word for it.
I doubt all palestinians want that. Some - many might think so but far from all id say. Also as i said b4 its usually the side that is being kicked in a corner that has the most extremists. Its only natural. But i will agree that the muslim world as a whole in the end seems rather intolerant. But what religion isnt/hasent been like that?
@MegaPepper123 This may be the case. But the settlement situation is (as far as i know) mostly driven forth by a zionist agenda. Im not saying one side is better or worse than the other. But both sides need to change for there to be real peace. And one of those steps if for both sides to forget their childish myths and beliefs. Both sides have their moderates and extremists, and its not unusual for the ones that are being kicked at to have the most of the latter sadly.
@pedagogik Why the hell would atoms=science? Science is a language to understand the atoms and other naturalistic processes. Your logic lacks... logic.
Our discussion is fight because two man are trying to win each other... weapons of iron or weapons of sound are the same... probably the weapons of sound are the worst. I don't say that science is bad! I only say that no man without an insane mind would fight and die for science. Science can't inspirate men, can't move their hearts like instead a simple song can do. Believe in what you want, my Religion give me a great reason to live...
Totally. Having an anticipated average life of approximately 35 years, loosing your teeth because of the unhealthy nutrition that common citizens could afford and having a good chance of being carried off by the black death due to the horrible hygienical conditions people had to deal with- at least when you were living in a city. People outside the cities were outlawed unless they were under the protection of some nobles on whose fiefdom they had to slave away.
@Princesselizebethful Are you kidding? Average lifespan of a human was 30-40 years. They mostly had horrible diet and health. Horrible diseases were common and it was not unusual at all to die from rather simple diseases/bacteria that are easily cured today. The people were often oppressed and the peasants had very little money/land/possessions to go by. Unless you want to be a noble of that time, but they were a bunch of arrogant stuck up selfish self-serving idiots, like today's bankers. ^^
@Atamv I'll prefer to live 1 day as a lion the 100 years as a sheep. Medieval times were glorious times even if the people didn't live till 100 years. However the average life was about 40 years and after the IX century increased. In the roman empire it was the same and like in the middle ages the most of the young death were not for disease but for war. And nobles weren't all arrogant and bad people, because of the chivalry laws. And I'm not kidding
@Porfinnr Chivalry laws if im not mistaken was often mostly only a thing between nobles. Not nobles/pesants+footmen.
Also, what glory? There is hardly anything glorious in fighting for either a man made religion or a greedy lord who by the way probably used religion to further brainwash his people. I mean c'mon what glory are you talking about? A far more glorious thing to do for humanity is to learn science/psychology/philosophy and further humanity's knowledge and quality of life.
@Porfinnr Also living a long life has nothing to do with beeing a sheep/coward. One becomes a sheep trough blind faith and indoctrination. And going to war for some landlord or for ones own selfish needs is really beeing the sheep, either to the landlord or to ones own primitive lusts for power/money or what ever else one might want. A true lion would walk the path of mental control and helping humanity. Not running around in a testosterone filled battlefield hacking and slashing others.
@Atamv Chivalry was for a knight the same as charity was for a common man and so was not only between nobles. I admit that was not so much respected, but it was an ideal and so they judged a noble for his chivalry. Have you ever read something of epic literature? No scientist can be as Hector, or Menelaus, because they fight and risk their life for what they most love. I'm a lion not because I'm violent, but because I'm strong, not because of my self control but because of my courage.
@Atamv Do you think that people always fight for a lord? I could show lots of example that it could be the contrary, jacqueries and revolts, but I will use my favourite: Scots people didn't follow a noble but a brave, William Wallace. You think that your mind can help the world? This can be eroic, but if you don't fight for what you love, like your family and your land you'll never win something for your soul. I'm Cathilc and I know that Faith is not blindness but make you see more...
@Porfinnr First of, the only reason people fight at all is partly because people think like you do. Sure you might have the more "gentle" type of this, but the fact that people even consider fighting shows the primitive in them. Sure i would protect the ones i love but above that i love humanity and im really sad to see how humanity is being run into the ground every day by fanatics and greedy jerks. We have the potential to go into space and explore the universe but... (see next comment.)
@Porfinnr ...but people insist on staying here on planet earth and fighting each other like primitive monkeys over a bit of land or some silly religious idea etc. We have such grand potential and the horrible fact is that we could be wiped out by either a natural catastrophe like a meteor or by our own foolishness. Like trough nuclear war. Fighting for land, must be one of the most primitive things around. Animals do that, they mark their territory with piss. We seem to do the same.
@Porfinnr Also, what has religion allowed you to see? Or more importantly, what will that help others. Now dont say morality, because i seem to be more concerned with the survival of humanity than you. Just look at the conflict between Israel and Palestine. The only problem is religion. If people didnt believe different things there there would be no war because thats the only thing that sets them apart. Religion. Id say that religion is more trouble than its worth.
@Atamv You think that fighting for a land is fighting for an empire, but it's not that. When a man fight for his own land, he fight for his house, for his love and for his family. You speak a lot about mankind (that is the term, not humanity) and you say that you love that, but you know what that means? You remember me an English poet Byron, that had gone to Greece to fight for mankind (as he said in one of his poems, "When a man hath no freedom"). I have only a question for you: (see comment)
@Atamv Do you prefer to be a slave and keep the peace or you would fight for your freedom? The problem is not if the war is good, but if the peace is good: some they are and they are not. You say that religion is bad because it makes the man fight between each other, but this is an evidence, the biggest evidence that is good. When a man freely is ready to fight and die for something, even if he inhabit the promise land, it means that that something is better than promise land...
@Atamv However I think that you'll admit that is better when a man fight for something holy and great that for something little. I don't want to say that war is good, that (as some people in my country said) it is the only health of the world, but if something that I love like myself would be attacked I'll fight, because when you really love something you have to prepare to battle. PS: I think that our discussion is a fight and I want to see who will be the winner. For mine and your honour
@Atamv PPS: However you might admit that people that fought between each other in the Middleages had a particular respect for each other... The myths of the good Saladin is one great example for this
@Porfinnr Im not saying that fighting for a land is fighting for an empire. Im saying the fact that people even fight over land at all is a proof of how simple-minded they are. I would hardly consider myself a slave. And i do understand people who (in poor countries etc) fight corrupt governments. But again the source of the problem is people who think that land is important. The leaders that is. What promise land are you talking about btw? Pff why would i think our discussion is a fight? geez
@Porfinnr I got a little thing to show you, to make you see what i meen. Watch this video /watch?v=luAteAz3WQ0&feature=related . If you see this and dont realise how pointless fighting for land or glory is after this video you truly are lost in a mindset that only puts humanity back. Look im not saying that fighting when one is opressed is bad. But to want to go back to the medieval period because of the "glory" etc is just primitive and it screams of an inflated ego.
@Porfinnr I meen consider this. Religion has had thousands upon thousands of years to make humanity better. What has it given us except for paintings, blood, misunderstandings, conflics, hate etc. Science has given us in only the last 100 years more than the entire religious world have given us in the last thousands of years. Believing in things that cant be seen (since they probably dont exist) gives humanity nothing in the long run.
@Atamv Glory! How you can pronounce this word without feeling a shiver going down your back? It is a word that has been used only for good things and you reject it like that? The glory for which I live is the one of the Heaven... You're not enough poetic to know what is the promise land? The land in which flew milk and honey? You have mentioned it!
@Porfinnr Ok first of, the word has been used in all kids of conflicts. For example in the crusades. And i dont see anything glorious about that. It was greedy people who wanted land and only used religion as an excuse to make the footmen/soldiers follow them.
Heaven... First prove that heaven exists.
I know the idea of promised land. But its a silly concept that has been used for bad things to. Some more orthodox jews use it for Jerusalem and Israel, and they oppress people for it.
@Porfinnr Our discussion is a discussion. Wow does everything have to be a fight? HAHAHAHA science cant inspire humans? Then you havent really read about science. Wow. I dont want to appear to be condescending but seriously man. Science is the most purest of things and it actually helps people, unlike religion. Isnt that whats good about science? Its not about fighting, its about peaceful discovery of truths. Not running around obeying your primitive lusts.
@Atamv "Science is the most purest of things and it actually helps people, unlike religion"
Atamy, I'm trying to understand some of your logic in your sentences, so please help me here. "Is the most purest of things and it actually helps people, unlike religion.." Religion causes war, agreed. If we talk science in all forms; nuclear bombs, technology, weapon of mass destruction, chemical weapons etc. Is this what you mean when you write "..most purest of things.."? Religion and Science has one
thing in common. Both can be used in a positive way. Let me explain what I mean. Most humans who practise their religion are peacefull people, the intention is to help other humans so we can live in peace and not hate each other. Now, there are people who use religion to create war because their religion is "the right one". Do you see where Im going with this? Science can also be used in a good way (and it is) but how many people have been killed by bombs and weapons? Please respond.
@pedagogik Look, nuclear bombs is a tool. Is a knife evil if its used in murder? No neither is the bomb. Its the ones that use it and want it created who are bad. Pretty much EVERYTHING you surround yourself with is a product of science, even your doorbell. Its ideologies and religion that cause war. And even if we take away all weapons people will resort to killing each other with sticks and stones instead. The problem isnt bombs. Its peoples brains.
@Atamv "Its the ones that use it and want it created who are bad. Pretty much EVERYTHING you surround yourself with is a product of science, even your doorbell".. Science is nothing without the humans, by that I mean it's the people who do the research, creating. Do you think medicin is created by itself? No, it's the humans who do it. Without any humans, science is nothing. It takes someone to use science to create. So when you write that science is the purest of things it's not really true
@pedagogik Science is the purest of things for me since all things can be used for good. Like atomic power. But also bad. Now Its we humans who use the bad side of it. We have a choise not to use the bad side like a bomb. I do agree that some scientists can be sick and demented and produce some horrible things in the name of their ideology. But again, isnt it ideological indoctrination that makes them even want to make those things?
@Atamv Look my friend, nobody's forcing anyone to use science in a negative way but you still see these horrible things being created, much like religion, period. Religion helps people also, it's a hope for the people that there is a meaning with their life, people with problems etc.
@pedagogik Dont you think its rather weak to lean towards a book that has no grounds in reality when it comes to the extraordinary claims for "meaning with their life". Personally i see my meaning in life to be the following: Strive for happiness without harming others in the prusuit of it. Help out humanity in what ever way i am fit to do whether it be trough science or social work. And i feel fine, i love my life. I dont understand why i would need a space daddy for meaning in my life.
@pedagogik If everyone had my kind of attitude i think the would would be a better place (im not saying im perfect of course). But instead people have to live out their lifes believeing they are so important that an all-powerful beeing made them in his own image etc. How selfish isnt that? And some even go as far as killing others who dont think the same. Sure its a minority that does this but i dont think that people with hate/distrust/loathing towards...
This music really fits with the city I am making in minecraft its medieval based near the end so with light houses and a lot of hidden paths so I cant wait tell i am done with it ^_^ ill be shore to upload a video of it when I am done.
wazthatme 1 week ago
I can't.....can't...not to listen to these masterpiece's . I like liquid DnB and maybe this even more. Remember playing stronghold and this kind of music in the background. Ah....
bledikslt 1 week ago
Oh dear, this is beautiful :O
But someone tell me: whose is that painting in the beginning with the skeleton and knight?
MarquiseOfHearts 1 week ago
Felicitarile mele pt toate postarile.si eu iubesc muzica medievala.Numai bine!
haribohospital27 1 week ago
@SoldierofMetal1: This is beautiful. Can you tell any more about the derivation of the song itself or about Guillaume De Machaut? I would like to find more work like this by the same author.
gcpropertymanagement 3 weeks ago
what scale is the intro playing in? I want to bust something like this on the guitar.
MrPisster 3 weeks ago
What is the instrument soloing from 3:33 on?
It does not seem to be a lute.
AndreaSPitaim 1 month ago
Check our medieval dark song
TheHUSCLAR 1 month ago
What's the name of that 3rd part
ziomalesek1223 2 months ago
thanx. JUST AWESOME
diagreen 2 months ago
Como português, revisito as minhas raízes, transporto-me para aqueles tempos... BELÍSSIMO!!! LINDO!!!!
rogerio75217 2 months ago
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8marioch 2 months ago in playlist MUSIC AND ART
We know that bagpipes and large full body harps back in Ireland and Pict-ish Scotland to the time of the Romans based upon information extracted from the writings of the soldiers and merchants stationed at the various 'gate' forts along Hadrian's wall. The Arabs had their form of bagpipes probably derived from much earlier Neolithic Indo-European examples brought by the Persian Aryan invaders
raykaelin 2 months ago
I'm not really good with medieval music, could someone give me a list of the instruments used in this piece please?
SoldierofMetal1 2 months ago
@SoldierofMetal1 The piece is believed to have been written by the 14th C. French poet and musician Guillaume De Machaut, who was pretty heavily influenced by the Arabian instruments imported to Europe following the Crusades. The stringed instrument that Stella Splendens was originally intended for was probably the uud/oud, a Middle-Eastern predecessor of the lute. This recording could well have been performed on a lute accompanied by the bagpipes (another Arabian import), and a flute.
unenlightenedbajie 2 months ago 2
Sorry, but what the hell are you guys talking about?
SlightEcho 3 months ago
Where can I get the TAB FOR this BEAUTIFUL MUSIC!?
xaxie1 3 months ago
You two have an issue, settle it by jousting like real men.
handelsme 3 months ago
Just dont get what has Jesus to do with the priests, or medieval times darkness. The truth is that modern science and modern times discoveries were all made within the christian culture.
greken145 3 months ago
Medieval times are usually called dark ages because we know a very little about it; not because of the church. In fact, thanks to it we know a lot about this illuminated ages for arts.
belegulo 4 months ago
@belegulo You're right. The Dark Ages refers to the period after the collapse of Roman influence across Europe, a sort of intellectual Cold Turkey period. The Pre-Medieval and Medieval Church, despite it's flaws, was the little barbiturate that Western civilisation needed in order to flourish.
unenlightenedbajie 2 months ago
you have a problem? Duel it out on horse like a real man!
handelsme 4 months ago
Another question lads... what the fuck is your problem with people arguing about the relationship of science and religion?! Clearly, if the situation wouldn't be so complicated and, let's face it, fucked up, there would merely be so much debate going on. But why, for God's sake, do you want to stop people from expressing opinions and seeking the truth?? If you don't like arguments, don't read the comments, it ain't obligatory! Arguing people can also enjoy the music.
kexember 4 months ago
Can you Shut up talking about Religion and other stuff!! Just chill and listen to this Amazing Medieval Song's...i so wish i live in Medieval! <3 <3 luv this song..
franklinisthebest 4 months ago
It would be awesome to be able to play this music. I should really take up an instrument :)
Time to party like it's 1099!!!!
ABdadaSURD 5 months ago 28
@ABdadaSURD if you want to be able to play any instrument to a decent standard be prepared for HARD HARD HARD work and also be prepared to do it DAILY; which habit may instead become drudgery.
being a musician is not all it is cracked up to be unless you are so obsessed you can think of nothing else.
I was a musician but not obsessed enough, talent without obsession will not be enough to get there
now i am content to be a listener again
Strefanasha 2 weeks ago
@Strefanasha Amen to that. I'm a current music major going for my undergrad...it's definitely a lot of work. The benefits are truly worth it though, for amateurs and professionals alike!
xzombieViolinist 1 week ago in playlist 16th Cent.-
@xzombieViolinist I was a professional who never found the benefits worth it. different strokes for different folks
Strefanasha 1 week ago
To anyone arguing about church and such...the Catholic church had rule over sacred music, such as the Gregorian chants. But his is totally secular...this is the type of music the jongleurs and trobadours would play...or the "gypsies" if you will.
xzombieViolinist 5 months ago
impecable! sin palabras
sulfinica 6 months ago
for those who argue against science. Without scientific research of historians, archeologists, experts in music etc. we wouldnt know so much of the medieval times. Think about it.
But religion has nothing to do with this wonderfull music.
justvendetta 6 months ago
Awesome music! Reminds me of Final Fantasy ;)
Touhoua 6 months ago
im here through an early love of iron maiden. a love of lord of the rings, and anything that even slightly smells like its medieval. fuck all to do with science or religion
TheMeleemonkey 6 months ago
beautiful! thanx for sharing
MusicTraditional 6 months ago
GOD i fucking love 5:23
thazeris 7 months ago
I love the flute
Chiefton012 7 months ago
@PrezBarkORama This particular song comes from the Livre Vermell de Monsterrat if my memory serves me right, a Catalonian invaluable book.
1990RFD 7 months ago
This is amazing
ziomalesek1223 8 months ago
Brilliant, I love it. I must start building my list up again. I've lost or deleted most of my medieval stash. The music is good. What I would recommend is getting a book about medieval politics and read it. All the laws and manuscripts are written. Reading it is like looking into the past. Very cool.
DerCerberus 8 months ago
@DerCerberus that sounds bad ass. i'm gonna search google right now
AromaticDogwood 7 months ago
I really see some similarities between this and the original score for Lord of the Flies by Philippe Sarde. Both are equally awesome. :D
sjc564 9 months ago
When I come up with music it's all spiritual, physical, and emotional for me
Scaly420 9 months ago
I'm trying to get some friends to play D&D.... JUST so we can play while listening to this. :D
2chrono 9 months ago
@2chrono I salute you. I use a lot of medieval music in my campaigns as well!!! :D
vampirehunteramanda 8 months ago
Lol im making a website, ive been needing some medieval music cause it just fits it well. And well, these songs are really perfect.
arusark 9 months ago
really great "Splendid star"
tony1234872 9 months ago
The princess of midgard approves. XD
soulchild180 9 months ago
Beautiful song :-bd ;)
keep it up and upload more
Regards from Transylvania
MALDICTVS 9 months ago
I love the pics :)
The25Sister 9 months ago
The tune is so beautiful in this song. I love the flute at 5:23.
musungutuloko 10 months ago in playlist Medieval
Medieval music and andean music is great.....
DelSolNacido 10 months ago
great
moti4love 10 months ago in playlist medieval music
why cant we all just enjoy music.
lestatt32 10 months ago
@lestatt32
Quite!
immerohneHosen 10 months ago
man this is like a Irish Version of a Egyptian Song
luigiandmario2 11 months ago 11
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andretorres75 4 months ago in playlist Favoritos de andretorres75
@luigiandmario2 True! xD
DihMaldito 1 month ago
@luigiandmario2 Lol, what is that supposed to mean? xD
Clxves 1 month ago
Music does come from emotion, so I'm told. I wouldn't actually know what emotion feels like. The mediæval mindset, though, was soaked in Christian teaching (which was, it must be said, often inaccurate to Scripture). So, these discussions of religion cannot be entirely irrelevant.
Gustaveleloup 11 months ago
@Gustaveleloup: I laughed so hard everywhere at that first statement. As a musician, you are so dead wrong.
PianoMasta7 10 months ago
@Gustaveleloup
Same here. I went through a lobotomy and have no emotion.
immerohneHosen 10 months ago
I need to find more of this stuff.
RoninAvenger 11 months ago
It's one of those songs that makes you breath deeper. When a song does that you know it's gone deep
12lmeganl12 11 months ago 7
@KC101X
Not really , music comes from soul and emotions not religion (Christianity or not).
xAcxDcx 11 months ago 40
@xAcxDcx Music comes from the culture, not from the "soul".
aulits 9 months ago
@aulits But culture can't evolve without soul. If it didn't take someone to stand out and be different because they felt it in their soul, nothing would ever change.
shelmarie87 9 months ago
@xAcxDcx
Music doesn't always come from emotion.
feelgoodchinchilla 4 months ago
@xAcxDcx and the soul has to do with religion....
LMFAOASAP 3 months ago
life in the medieval times where harsh. but the music people made back in then
was just amazing!!!
ErasmusPrime239 1 year ago
thank you so much for uploading this wonderful song!!
TheKILLA317 1 year ago
Aren't there forums where people with imaginary friends can go and debate with others their formalised fears about death?
Stop "debating" religion like the pseudo-intellectuals you like to think you are and enjoy the song. If you want to pollute the comments page, do it on one of one of the X factor's winners songs. No-one will care if you ruin that.
Vault101Reject 1 year ago
@MegaPepper123 Without the solid base of the Medieval Europe, Ressainance would have never happened. When did the universities appear? And something that not too many historians want to admit is that the Church was a big promoter of Arts, Music,and Science. A lot of science music and art people were clergymen. And if they weren't clergymen, at least some of them were promoted by Church and lords. Medieval organization was perfect for that times.Remember the chaos before the fall of Rome in 476
peloavila 1 year ago
@peloavila the Chruch was NOT a big supporter of the arts and sciences, where did you hear that? do you have any idea how many people were put on trial for their revolutionary ideas that were deemed heresy? supporting the arts and sciences makes people think outside the box, the Church was not into that, in case you didnt know.
RyZombie619 1 year ago
@RyZombie619 The church was most certainly a supporter of art in various forms. Without the church we wouldn't have the Gregorian way of writing music, which is used universally in the Western world to this day. When it came to science, the chuch supported what confirmed their perspective of the world, but they did alot of ill to those who had discovered proof that contradicted it, like Galileo did. Alot of scientist were clergy, which meant they rarely contradicted the bible in their hypothesis
koivandon 1 year ago
@koivandon good point, yes art was something the church contributed to, but science was the main thing that they didnt want people coming up with new ideas.
RyZombie619 1 year ago
@RyZombie619 Yes, true rationalists were rarely clergy, since that is rather contradictory to faith (unless you're willing to question that faith), however the clergy is also responsible for our understanding of genetics, thanks to the monk Mendel, allthough that was AFTER the enlightement. I think you need to take all information with a bit of salt, though their treatment of Galileo and others also suggests that many of the stories of the church's cruelty might be true.
koivandon 1 year ago
@koivandon I do not believe a big part of the history that historians wants to teach us. They always tried to create a negative image of the Church (not only the historians). Just see that many universities were created by the Pope( not only in the middle ages), for example the Sapienza University of Rome (founded in 1303). And it is not necessary to go back hundred of years ago to see that. In my city the university was created by the Church.And most of the schools of my country too.
peloavila 1 year ago
@peloavila I must second RyZombie here. The Church was very conservative during the middle ages, and continued to be conservative even after the enlightenment. True, they did found several universities, but what you also need to remember is that they more often than not were educating would-be priests and clergy in the ways of the bible. Most other trades, such as science and art etc., you had to learn from a master as an apprentice. Alas, the chuch has little claim to the evolution of science.
koivandon 1 year ago
@koivandon exactly, I mean after all, it is usually creation vs science right? so why would the Church have anything to do with science? they didn't have much to do with it. and art? yes, only in the sense of the art you see in churches. the other art, the church had nothing to do with. let's not forget this is the same church that sold indulgences for salvation, that only read sermons in Latin when many didnt even speak it, that didnt allow common folk to own a Bible.....
RyZombie619 1 year ago
@koivandon Well. I'm studying medicine, and I am catholic. Pasteur was catholic, and Volta, and Ampere, and Pascal, and Mendel, and Nicolas Steno and Roger Bacon and René Descartes. And the nexts weren't catholic but they do believe in God : Einstein, Newton, Francis Bacon, Johan Kepler,Faraday, Max Plank,etc.
As you see, most of the great scientists believed in God. Actually, the media and the fake scientists have been trying to create the thinking that the Church was always against science.
peloavila 1 year ago 3
@peloavila I think you've sort of missed my point. I mentioned the example of Mendel and yes, there are scientists that have been clergy and christians, but the majority of the scientists you mentioned where born after the Enlightenment. That single period of history, along with the French revolution, changed the entire political and religious climate with regards to science. The focus of the discussion was the middle ages, and the church did work against the enlightenment, which succeeded it.
koivandon 1 year ago
@peloavila To be even more specific, the argument centered around the church as a central body, not the people who were part of it. Furthermore, I can clarify that I'm neither Christian, nor an atheist and am not biased to either side really. I read into actions and defined the argument as predating the Enlightenment. Science which follewed that period cannot be contributed to the church, but to the change that had been wrought in the overall climate.No longer could they suppress "bad knowledge"
koivandon 1 year ago
@koivandon so basically, you're agnostic.
12lmeganl12 11 months ago
@12lmeganl12 No. Secular; yes, agnostic; no, Christian; no. There are more systems of belief than simply Christian, atheist or agnostic.
koivandon 11 months ago
@RyZombie619 I do not believe a big part of the history that historians wants to teach us. They always tried to create a negative image of the Church (not only the historians). Just see that many universities were created by the Pope( not only in the middle ages), for example the Sapienza University of Rome (founded in 1303). And it is not necessary to go back hundred of years ago to see that. In my city the university was created by the Church.And most of the schools of my country too.
peloavila 1 year ago
@peloavila i dont think so. I have read many books (i am a historian in the making lol) that talk highly of the church. it depends on who you read.
RyZombie619 1 year ago
@MegaPepper123 Thats why the Christian world was too much better
peloavila 1 year ago
I wish I would lived in this age, obviously being a king.
Juanelo4u 1 year ago
@KC101X they would of painted and wrote about other things if the church did not dominate thinking
abcdefghijklm133 1 year ago
I work at this Medieval Center here in Denmark. And every time we are having knight-battles, our orchestra is playing this music. Absolutely love it!
Stariod1994 1 year ago 3
Oh. My. God.
The thick rhythm that starts at 1:15 is the EXACT same rhythm that Egyptians of today use in every freakin' song they make.
I'm not exaggerating. EVERY song.
Thamer4life 1 year ago
@Thamer4life It's an Arabic rhythm called "maqsuum" which means "segments" or "columns" IIRC.
MrK2890 1 year ago
Like I told a friend, this is a hauntingly beautiful song and one of my favorites from this group...
LadyAubrie 1 year ago
anyone heard original? searc pilgrims song stella splendens :)
LokiTrickaras 1 year ago
Any1 knows the last painting in 7:45
draedwillows 1 year ago
@draedwillows Same as the first picture. I have the title and painter listed not far below.
DieLuftwaffel 1 year ago
Question lads... what on fucking Earth does science and religion have to do with this beautiful music?
Why don't you guys go argue somewhere else please and settle your differences by jousting.
xAcxDcx 1 year ago 171
@xAcxDcx so fuckin RIGHT
meltdown26 1 year ago
@xAcxDcx cause in medieval times every1 was religious. everyone stand behind the church, thats why we achieve what we are.
Fremder5 1 year ago
@xAcxDcx
Science is the law of earth, but emotions are an exception for all persons. In this case is the emotions who are used. Oh and religion idk, i dont have one :/
10warfare 1 year ago
@xAcxDcx i thinkits great that music like this brings on a debate,lol
Janieski 11 months ago
@xAcxDcx Yeah, the music rouses so much emotion in most people that they'll let it [the emotions] control them and not the other way. Then they go off on a stupid rant and cause a deba-- oh look, a lion/panther cub at 0:47! :D
kirby28645 11 months ago
@xAcxDcx Yes
HappyPterodactyl 11 months ago
@xAcxDcx It has everything to do with science and religion, in accordance with the Dawkins' Law of YouTube Comments, stating: "Arguments of a religious and/or political nature shall always be present regardless of the nature of the video."
JediHobbit89 11 months ago
@xAcxDcx *picks up a lance* Can I get in on that?
Drsatan9 10 months ago
@xAcxDcx Why yes I agree. And may God favor the victor!
BackwardAssassin 10 months ago
@xAcxDcx Well, religious mostly have to do. /watch?v=LBlFGYCS49Q
porizkovabasta 9 months ago
@xAcxDcx i like your thinking.
daniel16693 9 months ago
@xAcxDcx
Jousting? :L ermmm... were in 21st century 8| I dont think people joust these days o.O
But totally agree with you about everything else :P
DarkOrders 8 months ago
@DarkOrders I do, you can always try dueling pistols if you're "hype".
Madmachine73 8 months ago
@xAcxDcx RIGHT ON BROTHA!!
LionMaster09 8 months ago
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@xAcxDcx RIGHT ON BROTHA!!
LionMaster09 8 months ago
@xAcxDcx oh my, everything is everything.diferences are proporcional how you see the thing.
Music have to do with history and society, like religion and Science, and if this everythig come to us. this HAVE TO DO, YES", this have to do with this glorious music..This is all perfection..But you have all the right when you say
"Why don't you guys go argue somewhere else please and settle your differences by jousting. "
Becouse people who dont Know the diference of music dont know how big it is...
Vox572X 7 months ago
@xAcxDcx AND DONT KNOW HOW LISTEN THE ALL PERFECTION consonance and dissonance"...
THanks;)
Vox572X 7 months ago
@xAcxDcx agreed that arguments need to be taken elsewhere but it pertains to science because the specific notes are all part of a harmonic spectrum that when placed in this order makes some good ass music and it has to do with religion because often times these musical compositions would be centered on or inspired by religion.
edplaysbass 7 months ago
@xAcxDcx Contemporary materialist science doesn't acknowledge the existence of the soul (it even relativizes its meaning), therefore denying the existence of the cradle of such beautiful music. Religion does the opposite. This is what.
kexember 4 months ago
@kexember Even someone who upholds a materialistic instead of a dualistic philosophy, like myself, would still argue creativity is possible. Creativity is then seen as a product of the mind, not 'the soul'. What we call inspiration would thus be of an immanent nature, not a transcendent one. Perhaps that’s hard to accept, and as a composer and musician I would perhaps like to see it differently, but it’s something I’ve come to accept, for now.
drummerponsi 3 months ago
@drummerponsi Who said anything about dualism, I'm a monotheist. "Materialistic philosophy" is an oxymoron, for materialism is not the love but the hatred of wisdom (or the love of pseudo-wisdom). The mind is responsible for thoughts and awareness, and though it's possible to try to compose music using its abilities, the results will be nothing like music born of a soul susceptible of transcendental inspiration. And if you can't be convinced that materialism is wrong, well, I couldn't care less.
kexember 3 months ago
@kexember I’m afraid you don’t really seem to get what I’m trying to say. What you described earlier is what's called a ‘dualistic’ view on the mind-body problem. It doesn’t surprise me to hear you are a monotheist, since most monotheists have a dualistic answer to this problem. When I refer to my materialistic philosophical point of view, I’m talking about my answer on the mind-body problem. It’s also the reason why I call immanent what you call transcendent, that is all.
drummerponsi 3 months ago
@drummerponsi Well, if by "dualism" you meant that I think that the body and the soul are separate things (joined together during a person's lifetime), you were correct.
kexember 3 months ago
@kexember That’s exactly what I meant to say :)
drummerponsi 3 months ago
First picture is called "Don Quixote Knight and Death" by Theodor Baierl
DieLuftwaffel 1 year ago
@MegaPepper123 But i guess its naive to think that people with get over their minds full of superstition and sheep like behaviour. So again, some conflicts wont end in a 1000 years if you ask me.
Atamv 1 year ago
@MegaPepper123 Then id like some proof of where the Arabs were left alone and treated fairly etc. I wont just take your word for it.
I doubt all palestinians want that. Some - many might think so but far from all id say. Also as i said b4 its usually the side that is being kicked in a corner that has the most extremists. Its only natural. But i will agree that the muslim world as a whole in the end seems rather intolerant. But what religion isnt/hasent been like that?
Atamv 1 year ago
@MegaPepper123 This may be the case. But the settlement situation is (as far as i know) mostly driven forth by a zionist agenda. Im not saying one side is better or worse than the other. But both sides need to change for there to be real peace. And one of those steps if for both sides to forget their childish myths and beliefs. Both sides have their moderates and extremists, and its not unusual for the ones that are being kicked at to have the most of the latter sadly.
Atamv 1 year ago
Ya, I'd be really interested in knowing who did the first painting.
DieLuftwaffel 1 year ago
@DieLuftwaffel
It's very similar to Albrecht Dhurer's "The Knight, Death and the Devil." It may possibly even be a spin on that piece.
rabidhighlander 1 year ago
does anyone know the name of the this painting, painter or any relating information? Thanx
IamHeliosTheElder 1 year ago
Huh, if you think about it, science is behind all problems in this world.. Interesting..
pedagogik 1 year ago
@pedagogik Why the hell would atoms=science? Science is a language to understand the atoms and other naturalistic processes. Your logic lacks... logic.
Atamv 1 year ago
@pedagogik
Religious war :)
xx
SiriusPunk 1 year ago
Our discussion is fight because two man are trying to win each other... weapons of iron or weapons of sound are the same... probably the weapons of sound are the worst. I don't say that science is bad! I only say that no man without an insane mind would fight and die for science. Science can't inspirate men, can't move their hearts like instead a simple song can do. Believe in what you want, my Religion give me a great reason to live...
Porfinnr 1 year ago
@MegaPepper123 Thanks
spacdud 1 year ago
it's really beautiful music I really wish I lived in that time:D it was so much better than 20th
Princesselizebethful 1 year ago
@Princesselizebethful
Totally. Having an anticipated average life of approximately 35 years, loosing your teeth because of the unhealthy nutrition that common citizens could afford and having a good chance of being carried off by the black death due to the horrible hygienical conditions people had to deal with- at least when you were living in a city. People outside the cities were outlawed unless they were under the protection of some nobles on whose fiefdom they had to slave away.
Elmartschi76 1 year ago
@Elmartschi76 I have not been thought but the music is beautiful *_* you are right
Princesselizebethful 1 year ago
@Princesselizebethful Oh i saw now that another person wrote almost the exact same thing xD You can disregard what i wrote then ^^
Atamv 1 year ago
@Atamv I know but had not thought that people take it seriously . but the music is beautiful
Princesselizebethful 1 year ago
@Princesselizebethful Oh it sure is! Cant disagree there ^^
Atamv 1 year ago
@Princesselizebethful Are you kidding? Average lifespan of a human was 30-40 years. They mostly had horrible diet and health. Horrible diseases were common and it was not unusual at all to die from rather simple diseases/bacteria that are easily cured today. The people were often oppressed and the peasants had very little money/land/possessions to go by. Unless you want to be a noble of that time, but they were a bunch of arrogant stuck up selfish self-serving idiots, like today's bankers. ^^
Atamv 1 year ago
@Atamv I'll prefer to live 1 day as a lion the 100 years as a sheep. Medieval times were glorious times even if the people didn't live till 100 years. However the average life was about 40 years and after the IX century increased. In the roman empire it was the same and like in the middle ages the most of the young death were not for disease but for war. And nobles weren't all arrogant and bad people, because of the chivalry laws. And I'm not kidding
Porfinnr 1 year ago
@Porfinnr Chivalry laws if im not mistaken was often mostly only a thing between nobles. Not nobles/pesants+footmen.
Also, what glory? There is hardly anything glorious in fighting for either a man made religion or a greedy lord who by the way probably used religion to further brainwash his people. I mean c'mon what glory are you talking about? A far more glorious thing to do for humanity is to learn science/psychology/philosophy and further humanity's knowledge and quality of life.
Atamv 1 year ago
@Porfinnr Also living a long life has nothing to do with beeing a sheep/coward. One becomes a sheep trough blind faith and indoctrination. And going to war for some landlord or for ones own selfish needs is really beeing the sheep, either to the landlord or to ones own primitive lusts for power/money or what ever else one might want. A true lion would walk the path of mental control and helping humanity. Not running around in a testosterone filled battlefield hacking and slashing others.
Atamv 1 year ago
@Atamv Chivalry was for a knight the same as charity was for a common man and so was not only between nobles. I admit that was not so much respected, but it was an ideal and so they judged a noble for his chivalry. Have you ever read something of epic literature? No scientist can be as Hector, or Menelaus, because they fight and risk their life for what they most love. I'm a lion not because I'm violent, but because I'm strong, not because of my self control but because of my courage.
Porfinnr 1 year ago
@Atamv Do you think that people always fight for a lord? I could show lots of example that it could be the contrary, jacqueries and revolts, but I will use my favourite: Scots people didn't follow a noble but a brave, William Wallace. You think that your mind can help the world? This can be eroic, but if you don't fight for what you love, like your family and your land you'll never win something for your soul. I'm Cathilc and I know that Faith is not blindness but make you see more...
Porfinnr 1 year ago
@Porfinnr First of, the only reason people fight at all is partly because people think like you do. Sure you might have the more "gentle" type of this, but the fact that people even consider fighting shows the primitive in them. Sure i would protect the ones i love but above that i love humanity and im really sad to see how humanity is being run into the ground every day by fanatics and greedy jerks. We have the potential to go into space and explore the universe but... (see next comment.)
Atamv 1 year ago
@Porfinnr ...but people insist on staying here on planet earth and fighting each other like primitive monkeys over a bit of land or some silly religious idea etc. We have such grand potential and the horrible fact is that we could be wiped out by either a natural catastrophe like a meteor or by our own foolishness. Like trough nuclear war. Fighting for land, must be one of the most primitive things around. Animals do that, they mark their territory with piss. We seem to do the same.
Atamv 1 year ago
@Porfinnr Also, what has religion allowed you to see? Or more importantly, what will that help others. Now dont say morality, because i seem to be more concerned with the survival of humanity than you. Just look at the conflict between Israel and Palestine. The only problem is religion. If people didnt believe different things there there would be no war because thats the only thing that sets them apart. Religion. Id say that religion is more trouble than its worth.
Atamv 1 year ago
@Atamv You think that fighting for a land is fighting for an empire, but it's not that. When a man fight for his own land, he fight for his house, for his love and for his family. You speak a lot about mankind (that is the term, not humanity) and you say that you love that, but you know what that means? You remember me an English poet Byron, that had gone to Greece to fight for mankind (as he said in one of his poems, "When a man hath no freedom"). I have only a question for you: (see comment)
Porfinnr 1 year ago
@Atamv Do you prefer to be a slave and keep the peace or you would fight for your freedom? The problem is not if the war is good, but if the peace is good: some they are and they are not. You say that religion is bad because it makes the man fight between each other, but this is an evidence, the biggest evidence that is good. When a man freely is ready to fight and die for something, even if he inhabit the promise land, it means that that something is better than promise land...
Porfinnr 1 year ago
@Atamv However I think that you'll admit that is better when a man fight for something holy and great that for something little. I don't want to say that war is good, that (as some people in my country said) it is the only health of the world, but if something that I love like myself would be attacked I'll fight, because when you really love something you have to prepare to battle. PS: I think that our discussion is a fight and I want to see who will be the winner. For mine and your honour
Porfinnr 1 year ago
@Atamv PPS: However you might admit that people that fought between each other in the Middleages had a particular respect for each other... The myths of the good Saladin is one great example for this
Porfinnr 1 year ago
@Porfinnr Im not saying that fighting for a land is fighting for an empire. Im saying the fact that people even fight over land at all is a proof of how simple-minded they are. I would hardly consider myself a slave. And i do understand people who (in poor countries etc) fight corrupt governments. But again the source of the problem is people who think that land is important. The leaders that is. What promise land are you talking about btw? Pff why would i think our discussion is a fight? geez
Atamv 1 year ago
@Porfinnr I got a little thing to show you, to make you see what i meen. Watch this video /watch?v=luAteAz3WQ0&feature=related . If you see this and dont realise how pointless fighting for land or glory is after this video you truly are lost in a mindset that only puts humanity back. Look im not saying that fighting when one is opressed is bad. But to want to go back to the medieval period because of the "glory" etc is just primitive and it screams of an inflated ego.
Atamv 1 year ago
@Porfinnr I meen consider this. Religion has had thousands upon thousands of years to make humanity better. What has it given us except for paintings, blood, misunderstandings, conflics, hate etc. Science has given us in only the last 100 years more than the entire religious world have given us in the last thousands of years. Believing in things that cant be seen (since they probably dont exist) gives humanity nothing in the long run.
Atamv 1 year ago
@Atamv Glory! How you can pronounce this word without feeling a shiver going down your back? It is a word that has been used only for good things and you reject it like that? The glory for which I live is the one of the Heaven... You're not enough poetic to know what is the promise land? The land in which flew milk and honey? You have mentioned it!
Porfinnr 1 year ago
@Porfinnr Ok first of, the word has been used in all kids of conflicts. For example in the crusades. And i dont see anything glorious about that. It was greedy people who wanted land and only used religion as an excuse to make the footmen/soldiers follow them.
Heaven... First prove that heaven exists.
I know the idea of promised land. But its a silly concept that has been used for bad things to. Some more orthodox jews use it for Jerusalem and Israel, and they oppress people for it.
Atamv 1 year ago
@Porfinnr Our discussion is a discussion. Wow does everything have to be a fight? HAHAHAHA science cant inspire humans? Then you havent really read about science. Wow. I dont want to appear to be condescending but seriously man. Science is the most purest of things and it actually helps people, unlike religion. Isnt that whats good about science? Its not about fighting, its about peaceful discovery of truths. Not running around obeying your primitive lusts.
Atamv 1 year ago
@Atamv "Science is the most purest of things and it actually helps people, unlike religion"
Atamy, I'm trying to understand some of your logic in your sentences, so please help me here. "Is the most purest of things and it actually helps people, unlike religion.." Religion causes war, agreed. If we talk science in all forms; nuclear bombs, technology, weapon of mass destruction, chemical weapons etc. Is this what you mean when you write "..most purest of things.."? Religion and Science has one
pedagogik 1 year ago
thing in common. Both can be used in a positive way. Let me explain what I mean. Most humans who practise their religion are peacefull people, the intention is to help other humans so we can live in peace and not hate each other. Now, there are people who use religion to create war because their religion is "the right one". Do you see where Im going with this? Science can also be used in a good way (and it is) but how many people have been killed by bombs and weapons? Please respond.
pedagogik 1 year ago
@pedagogik Look, nuclear bombs is a tool. Is a knife evil if its used in murder? No neither is the bomb. Its the ones that use it and want it created who are bad. Pretty much EVERYTHING you surround yourself with is a product of science, even your doorbell. Its ideologies and religion that cause war. And even if we take away all weapons people will resort to killing each other with sticks and stones instead. The problem isnt bombs. Its peoples brains.
Atamv 1 year ago
@Atamv "Its the ones that use it and want it created who are bad. Pretty much EVERYTHING you surround yourself with is a product of science, even your doorbell".. Science is nothing without the humans, by that I mean it's the people who do the research, creating. Do you think medicin is created by itself? No, it's the humans who do it. Without any humans, science is nothing. It takes someone to use science to create. So when you write that science is the purest of things it's not really true
pedagogik 1 year ago
@pedagogik Science is the purest of things for me since all things can be used for good. Like atomic power. But also bad. Now Its we humans who use the bad side of it. We have a choise not to use the bad side like a bomb. I do agree that some scientists can be sick and demented and produce some horrible things in the name of their ideology. But again, isnt it ideological indoctrination that makes them even want to make those things?
Atamv 1 year ago
@Atamv Look my friend, nobody's forcing anyone to use science in a negative way but you still see these horrible things being created, much like religion, period. Religion helps people also, it's a hope for the people that there is a meaning with their life, people with problems etc.
Forget the last comment, ment to be a joke dude..
pedagogik 1 year ago
@pedagogik Dont you think its rather weak to lean towards a book that has no grounds in reality when it comes to the extraordinary claims for "meaning with their life". Personally i see my meaning in life to be the following: Strive for happiness without harming others in the prusuit of it. Help out humanity in what ever way i am fit to do whether it be trough science or social work. And i feel fine, i love my life. I dont understand why i would need a space daddy for meaning in my life.
Atamv 1 year ago
@pedagogik If everyone had my kind of attitude i think the would would be a better place (im not saying im perfect of course). But instead people have to live out their lifes believeing they are so important that an all-powerful beeing made them in his own image etc. How selfish isnt that? And some even go as far as killing others who dont think the same. Sure its a minority that does this but i dont think that people with hate/distrust/loathing towards...
Atamv 1 year ago