"These camps were first presented as those in Germany, such as Dachau, Belsen, Buchenwald, Sachsenhausen, and Dora, but it was demonstrated that there had been no systematic extermination in those camps. Attention was then moved on to Auschwitz, Treblinka, Belzec, Chelmno, Jonowska, Tarnow, Ravensbruck, Mauthausen, and Birkenau which does not exhaust the list that appears to have been extended as needed." -- Columbia University professor Harry Elmer Barnes
Checky: Europe was on food rations for 3 years after the war. I wonder how Germans would have done without the massive U.S. food air drops? Why don't you move to Iran and enjoy their freedoms? LMAO!
Could you detail, what is the problem with hanging gays?Would you like to see your son fucked in ass?
Germany had no food after the WWII because of the allied destruction,like now in Iraq.And what is your dad is doing for living?Do not answer just think twice...
@Miatyank: There is nothing wrong with hanging gays or stoning people to death if you have a primitive mentality. If you are an idiot you have the right to enjoy your lunacy just don't expect intelligent people to follow. Move to Iran & enjoy a culture you share....LOL! I am really sorry about the Allied destruction in defeating the Nazis. Those poor Nazis....I feel really bad. I am sure they felt bad when they invaded most of Europe. Those sentimental Nazis are so misunderstood....LMAO!
Oh, you were so nice to answer me, but forgot to whether your daddy' occupation is qualifying you for criticizing someone? You are dishonoring people a lot. (concerning Lady Renouf)
@Miatyank: My sad little friend. I don't need a mommy or daddy to voice an opinion like you do. Anybody can Google Lady Renouf and see she is a complete "goldbricking" fraud in the worse sense. The dishonor is yours. If you are concerned about your sexuality you should consult a therapist. Most people are not threatened by homosexuality unless they lean that way unconsciously. Get some help. There are better ways of dealing with your issues than hanging gays.
Lady Renouf is a cab drivers daughter who pretends a lot. She has credentials in landscape design a much needed skill for this type of debate. She is trying to sell her video which I am sure is a hard sell. She claims to be a Human Rights Activist but says nothing about hanging gays or stoning women in Iran. Obviously, not an important human rights issue for her.
these are to diffrent issues, why does everybody has to mention human rights when it comes to iran, no matter if it is about economy or zionists.
why nobody mentions china or usa?
and besides nobody get stoned anymore for a few years, and before it was mstly just in villages where judges are in fact indepedant.....and furthermore 90 percent of the humen who are exewcuted are rapists,murderers and drug dealers
The few scholars, from here Canada, that accepted to attend the conference, have lost their jobs !
Sorry M. Finkelstein but it wont be easy finding lots of courageous scholars to talk on this subject. Thank God we have ordinary people, with good brains, who do the research the scholars wont do!
Finkelstein is great! He really surgeon analysed the meeting. Poor Irani journalists... plus the fact that they´re not speaking in their own language... This shows how serious Norman Finkelstein is and how you do not have to "improvise" with these subjects.
Correct, excluding Iranian TV's, Radio's and Newspapers and that's why PressTV is launched to give people all around the world a new sight. and this is one of the reasons Israel and America seek to destroy Iranina Government.
I don't think anyone could take the Lady seriously. It's just mud in the eye of the PR spin doctors who have gone too far by legislating the truth. Research by Proclamation turns the world upside down - we reap what we sow. Finkelstein is 100% correct - Raul Hilberg would have gone to a serious conference and Finkelstein does acknowledge scholarly works - even those of Holocaust deniers like Irving. Finkelstein and Hilberg hold the high ground, IMHO.
@shiasoldier786 Hmmm... I truly wonder what would happen if someone would trie to remove this "fantastic" reign of clerics, that even allows stoning of women on the occation, and according to Amnesty International has the highest rates of deaths after China.
More than six times that number voted - a higher turnout than the "democratic" US and UK managed.
Moreover it's interesting that several of the conference participants would be jailed in their own "democratic" countries for expressing the opinions that they were free to state in Tehran.
Just a few days ago, on May 30th, Professor Robert Faurisson appeared in court in Paris facing criminal charges relating to the broadcast of comments he made to an Iranian journalist.
Thats similar to the US attacks on Iraq. People should learn that only defense is legal agression. The most did not. The world and its people are of course very tricky to make their best out of all.
2. To die on hunger is even mor cruel than by active killing. For all victims of WW2 that does not make any difference,. Understandable. The Germans oftently remarked, that many Eastern KZs were under local administration. Preventional Blitzkrieg occupations, done by G. in WW1 and 2 lead to the fact, that the aggressive intention of the "Great Powers" to attack G. could neither be proven afterwards nor acceptedand however led to a legal comdemption of G.
I think there is no doubt that many German war prisoners of different races died in these camps, Most of them deported supposedly as "hostages" after 1941 with the beginning of the US/ Russian/ European conterattacks, G. wanted to stop with a prior occupation of Russia. the only objection against active killings is passive killing is the fact, that with the ongoing destruction, the KZs could as well as the population no more be supplied and deseases spread all over.
Chomsky on one "non-entity": "A professor of French literature was suspended from teaching on grounds that he could not be protected from violence, after privately printing pamphlets questioning the existence of gas chambers. He was then brought to trial for "falsification of History," and later condemned for this crime, the first time that a modern Western state openly affirmed the Stalinist-Nazi doctrine that the state will determine historical truth and punish deviation from it."
Further comment from Chomsky on Tehran conference participant Robert Faurisson:
"Later he was beaten practically to death by Jewish terrorists. As of now, the European and other intellectuals have not expressed any opposition to these scandals; rather, they have sought to disguise their profound commitment to Stalinist-Nazi doctrine by following the same models, trying to divert attention with a flood of outrageous lies."
I quoted Chomsky on Faurisson in response to your assertion that the conference was made up of "non-entities", a description which hardly seems appropriate to Prof Faurisson, who apart from his own academic distinction was at the centre of one of the most controversial incidents in the career of Noam Chomsky, recently voted the world's "leading public intellectual".
If Faurisson is a non-entity, what does that make you and me?
Tarnopol - we know there were mass executions in the east, this is not denied - alot of people die in war and the war in Russia was not like normal wars. The question is "Was there an actual campaign of Genocide against the Jews?". Where is the order? Where are the bodies? Why so many survivors and so much reperation? Why do "gas chambers" have no blue staining from the Xyclon-B, why are they so flimsy? So many questions and NOT ONE ANSWER!
You know, reading comments like some here gives me zero hope for humanity. Look, it's not that hard. #1: The Nazi holocaust really happened. It was really, really awful. #2: There is no doubt at all that the Holocaust is used as a shield for any and all Israeli crimes, up to and including a possible nuke strike on Iran. This is called "historical irony" -- or the tragedy of human existence. Both positions can be completely true with zero conflict between the positions. Grow up, people!
Those censorship laws are NOT about history, but about the effect: the last war as justification for the next one(plus the ongoing one in Middle East) - if the neocons would be shown to covet the same as the old nazis...
We Europeans fought two fratricidal wars to allow the jEWz to steal Palestine and mass murder them as they genocided the Russians and Ukrainians under jUDEO-Bolshevism.
1 A serious conference would not be allowed in the West because freedom to speak on this subject is illegal in several EU countries. The best researchers of this subject in the West are in prison or persecuted/harrassed/beaten up.
2 Who does Finkelstein consider to be a legitimate researcher? He didn't bother to name them.
Absolutley correct watwp. I'm from the UK (mate) ;) but know all about Dr Toben - its disgraceful that honourable men of science can be thrown in a cell for the rest of thier lives for simply stating an opinion! Its really sick IMO. :(
Holocaust deniers might have a little more credibility if they weren't all wishing for another one while smirking about the very thing they purport to deny.
It's like all the Arabs who deny that Al-Queda had anyting to do with 9-11, yet shout the name of Osama in the street.
Maybe its just me but I cant understand why if a subject is a definete historical fact it cannot be discussed? Without serious debate on ANY subject no matter how sensitive we will be fated to remain in the dark. In the past to question the fact that the world was flat meant death - now to question the holocaust means imprisonment. We need to be rational..
It is very simple to explain...THEY HAVE SOMETHING TO HIDE!!! The speech censorship laws in countries like Germany, Canada, Australia, etc. could not possibly be more transparent!
It is very simple to explain...THEY HAVE SOMETHING TO HIDE! THEY ARE AFRAID OF HAVING THE LIES OF THEIR ZIONIST MASTERS EXPOSED! This is NOT a difficult thing to figure out!
Yes, I know, but I thought I would state the obvious for many "confused" who pass thru. Are you Aussie (mate)? Then you know about this garbage first hand... cont'd
... Aren't they still persecuting Frederick Toban/Adelaide Institute down there? This is UNSPEAKABLE! The jew Finkelstein keeps drawing comparisons to the
"flat earth society"-you don't see them making it illegal to claim the earth is flat. Why bother? It would be very easy to prove that position wrong. I guess they know they can't prove the Holocaust "deniers" wrong so they feel compelled to protect themselves by outlawing any discussion or research on the subject!
so MR. finkleSTEIN does AIPAC invite Dr. David Duke to their conference to support a different voice?
scmthrasher 3 months ago
"These camps were first presented as those in Germany, such as Dachau, Belsen, Buchenwald, Sachsenhausen, and Dora, but it was demonstrated that there had been no systematic extermination in those camps. Attention was then moved on to Auschwitz, Treblinka, Belzec, Chelmno, Jonowska, Tarnow, Ravensbruck, Mauthausen, and Birkenau which does not exhaust the list that appears to have been extended as needed." -- Columbia University professor Harry Elmer Barnes
BlessedBeTheTruth 10 months ago
Zionism is the foundation of the western society. You can't make the argument that you have a moral position whle rejecting Zionism.
chris2002Rocklin 10 months ago
She looks like Laurie Bembenek.
ladypeinforte 1 year ago
She looks like Laurie Bembenek.
ladypeinforte 1 year ago
Checky: Europe was on food rations for 3 years after the war. I wonder how Germans would have done without the massive U.S. food air drops? Why don't you move to Iran and enjoy their freedoms? LMAO!
AgouraMo 2 years ago
Could you detail, what is the problem with hanging gays?Would you like to see your son fucked in ass?
Germany had no food after the WWII because of the allied destruction,like now in Iraq.And what is your dad is doing for living?Do not answer just think twice...
Miatyank 2 years ago
@Miatyank: There is nothing wrong with hanging gays or stoning people to death if you have a primitive mentality. If you are an idiot you have the right to enjoy your lunacy just don't expect intelligent people to follow. Move to Iran & enjoy a culture you share....LOL! I am really sorry about the Allied destruction in defeating the Nazis. Those poor Nazis....I feel really bad. I am sure they felt bad when they invaded most of Europe. Those sentimental Nazis are so misunderstood....LMAO!
AgouraMo 2 years ago
Oh, you were so nice to answer me, but forgot to whether your daddy' occupation is qualifying you for criticizing someone? You are dishonoring people a lot. (concerning Lady Renouf)
Miatyank 2 years ago 2
@Miatyank: My sad little friend. I don't need a mommy or daddy to voice an opinion like you do. Anybody can Google Lady Renouf and see she is a complete "goldbricking" fraud in the worse sense. The dishonor is yours. If you are concerned about your sexuality you should consult a therapist. Most people are not threatened by homosexuality unless they lean that way unconsciously. Get some help. There are better ways of dealing with your issues than hanging gays.
AgouraMo 2 years ago
Lady Renouf is a cab drivers daughter who pretends a lot. She has credentials in landscape design a much needed skill for this type of debate. She is trying to sell her video which I am sure is a hard sell. She claims to be a Human Rights Activist but says nothing about hanging gays or stoning women in Iran. Obviously, not an important human rights issue for her.
AgouraMo 2 years ago
these are to diffrent issues, why does everybody has to mention human rights when it comes to iran, no matter if it is about economy or zionists.
why nobody mentions china or usa?
and besides nobody get stoned anymore for a few years, and before it was mstly just in villages where judges are in fact indepedant.....and furthermore 90 percent of the humen who are exewcuted are rapists,murderers and drug dealers
gunit8590 2 years ago
The few scholars, from here Canada, that accepted to attend the conference, have lost their jobs !
Sorry M. Finkelstein but it wont be easy finding lots of courageous scholars to talk on this subject. Thank God we have ordinary people, with good brains, who do the research the scholars wont do!
acabramzach 3 years ago
@acabramzach
How dare their employers terminate their jobs. They are scholars. They are doing what scholars do best.
Heh, 2 years ago. I just stumbled apon Lady Renouf.
Heidelmann 10 months ago
Iran and Hamas are democratic, and Israel has nothing nice to do to anybody. This makes TONS of sense.
yanivnah 3 years ago
Bi kem el sharmoota di?
markab1100 3 years ago
what a great video!!!!
noracism11 3 years ago 3
Someone give Norman a tissue.
His..'I didn't have enough time to prepare the truth before facing off with those that tell lies'...concept was a complete bore.
Truth, and those using it, need no tissues.
gaycure 3 years ago 2
...? Do we have to take your word for it or can you pinpoint what Finkelstein left out/forgot about/lied about/distorted/manipulated ?
kloten 3 years ago
Lady renouf is just fantastic......
ulliboll 4 years ago 10
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Have you looked at the "Lady"'s website? She's a goddamn Nazi, I swear. Just a disgusting person.
jugganaut26 4 years ago
yes and I see no nazi sybols and nothing to do with nazi's.
mcblob 3 years ago
"Hahahaha. Is this a joke? What is the "Lady" saying? Has she been to Tehran?"
Enlighten us, chump.
EAU2007 4 years ago
Finkelstein is great! He really surgeon analysed the meeting. Poor Irani journalists... plus the fact that they´re not speaking in their own language... This shows how serious Norman Finkelstein is and how you do not have to "improvise" with these subjects.
argument777 4 years ago
Why Norm was invited?...If not why? he is the best scholar on subject!
fammy23 4 years ago
All TV, radio, newspapers, magazines, movies and bookpublishers are controlled by Israel-first, zionist jews.
buckinohio 4 years ago 4
Correct, excluding Iranian TV's, Radio's and Newspapers and that's why PressTV is launched to give people all around the world a new sight. and this is one of the reasons Israel and America seek to destroy Iranina Government.
farzanfrz 3 years ago
I don't think anyone could take the Lady seriously. It's just mud in the eye of the PR spin doctors who have gone too far by legislating the truth. Research by Proclamation turns the world upside down - we reap what we sow. Finkelstein is 100% correct - Raul Hilberg would have gone to a serious conference and Finkelstein does acknowledge scholarly works - even those of Holocaust deniers like Irving. Finkelstein and Hilberg hold the high ground, IMHO.
4449911 4 years ago
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she's such a moron, only 9% of iranians voted
eboulter 4 years ago
U R A MORON U DUMBASS, GO GET UR FACTS RIGHT
"60% OF ELIGIBLE VOTERS VOTED IN THE 2005 PRESEDENTIAL ELECTIONS IN IRAN"
and out of this ahmedinajad got 61% pecent votes while rafsanjani got 35
all this is directly from wikipedia so chek it out urself by typin "2005 presedential elections in iran"
shiasoldier786 4 years ago 7
@shiasoldier786 Hmmm... I truly wonder what would happen if someone would trie to remove this "fantastic" reign of clerics, that even allows stoning of women on the occation, and according to Amnesty International has the highest rates of deaths after China.
besmb2105 1 year ago
More than six times that number voted - a higher turnout than the "democratic" US and UK managed.
Moreover it's interesting that several of the conference participants would be jailed in their own "democratic" countries for expressing the opinions that they were free to state in Tehran.
Just a few days ago, on May 30th, Professor Robert Faurisson appeared in court in Paris facing criminal charges relating to the broadcast of comments he made to an Iranian journalist.
heritageanddestiny 4 years ago 2
Hahahaha. Is this a joke? What is the "Lady" saying? Has she been to Tehran?
capslock286 4 years ago
Thats similar to the US attacks on Iraq. People should learn that only defense is legal agression. The most did not. The world and its people are of course very tricky to make their best out of all.
lighttower 5 years ago
2. To die on hunger is even mor cruel than by active killing. For all victims of WW2 that does not make any difference,. Understandable. The Germans oftently remarked, that many Eastern KZs were under local administration. Preventional Blitzkrieg occupations, done by G. in WW1 and 2 lead to the fact, that the aggressive intention of the "Great Powers" to attack G. could neither be proven afterwards nor acceptedand however led to a legal comdemption of G.
lighttower 5 years ago
I think there is no doubt that many German war prisoners of different races died in these camps, Most of them deported supposedly as "hostages" after 1941 with the beginning of the US/ Russian/ European conterattacks, G. wanted to stop with a prior occupation of Russia. the only objection against active killings is passive killing is the fact, that with the ongoing destruction, the KZs could as well as the population no more be supplied and deseases spread all over.
lighttower 5 years ago
Norman Finkelstein is 100% right, his work is meticulous and he thoroughly investigates opposite views.
This conference was a sick joke attended by non-entities.
straightchris 5 years ago
Chomsky on one "non-entity": "A professor of French literature was suspended from teaching on grounds that he could not be protected from violence, after privately printing pamphlets questioning the existence of gas chambers. He was then brought to trial for "falsification of History," and later condemned for this crime, the first time that a modern Western state openly affirmed the Stalinist-Nazi doctrine that the state will determine historical truth and punish deviation from it."
heritageanddestiny 5 years ago
Further comment from Chomsky on Tehran conference participant Robert Faurisson:
"Later he was beaten practically to death by Jewish terrorists. As of now, the European and other intellectuals have not expressed any opposition to these scandals; rather, they have sought to disguise their profound commitment to Stalinist-Nazi doctrine by following the same models, trying to divert attention with a flood of outrageous lies."
heritageanddestiny 5 years ago
I haven't read the article and unlikely to.
Why wasn't Noam at the conference then? For the same reasons as Norman I suspect.
To defend someone's right to free speech doesn't mean their arguments are valid.
straightchris 5 years ago
I quoted Chomsky on Faurisson in response to your assertion that the conference was made up of "non-entities", a description which hardly seems appropriate to Prof Faurisson, who apart from his own academic distinction was at the centre of one of the most controversial incidents in the career of Noam Chomsky, recently voted the world's "leading public intellectual".
If Faurisson is a non-entity, what does that make you and me?
heritageanddestiny 5 years ago
Members of the human race.
straightchris 5 years ago
Tarnopol - we know there were mass executions in the east, this is not denied - alot of people die in war and the war in Russia was not like normal wars. The question is "Was there an actual campaign of Genocide against the Jews?". Where is the order? Where are the bodies? Why so many survivors and so much reperation? Why do "gas chambers" have no blue staining from the Xyclon-B, why are they so flimsy? So many questions and NOT ONE ANSWER!
andy7666 5 years ago
You know, reading comments like some here gives me zero hope for humanity. Look, it's not that hard. #1: The Nazi holocaust really happened. It was really, really awful. #2: There is no doubt at all that the Holocaust is used as a shield for any and all Israeli crimes, up to and including a possible nuke strike on Iran. This is called "historical irony" -- or the tragedy of human existence. Both positions can be completely true with zero conflict between the positions. Grow up, people!
tarnopol 5 years ago
Those censorship laws are NOT about history, but about the effect: the last war as justification for the next one(plus the ongoing one in Middle East) - if the neocons would be shown to covet the same as the old nazis...
9valkyrie 5 years ago
Lady Renouf is telling the truth !
We Europeans fought two fratricidal wars to allow the jEWz to steal Palestine and mass murder them as they genocided the Russians and Ukrainians under jUDEO-Bolshevism.
MonkeyMagic88 5 years ago
Finkelstein dances around the issues.
1 A serious conference would not be allowed in the West because freedom to speak on this subject is illegal in several EU countries. The best researchers of this subject in the West are in prison or persecuted/harrassed/beaten up.
2 Who does Finkelstein consider to be a legitimate researcher? He didn't bother to name them.
susiexxx 5 years ago
Absolutley correct watwp. I'm from the UK (mate) ;) but know all about Dr Toben - its disgraceful that honourable men of science can be thrown in a cell for the rest of thier lives for simply stating an opinion! Its really sick IMO. :(
andy7666 5 years ago
I think maybe the west are ruled by zionist
hack84 5 years ago
Holocaust deniers might have a little more credibility if they weren't all wishing for another one while smirking about the very thing they purport to deny.
It's like all the Arabs who deny that Al-Queda had anyting to do with 9-11, yet shout the name of Osama in the street.
mailtrap22 5 years ago
Maybe its just me but I cant understand why if a subject is a definete historical fact it cannot be discussed? Without serious debate on ANY subject no matter how sensitive we will be fated to remain in the dark. In the past to question the fact that the world was flat meant death - now to question the holocaust means imprisonment. We need to be rational..
andy7666 5 years ago
It is very simple to explain...THEY HAVE SOMETHING TO HIDE!!! The speech censorship laws in countries like Germany, Canada, Australia, etc. could not possibly be more transparent!
watwp 5 years ago
It is very simple to explain...THEY HAVE SOMETHING TO HIDE! THEY ARE AFRAID OF HAVING THE LIES OF THEIR ZIONIST MASTERS EXPOSED! This is NOT a difficult thing to figure out!
watwp 5 years ago
Yeah I kind of already knew that mate, was only asking as a rhetorical question..
andy7666 5 years ago
Yes, I know, but I thought I would state the obvious for many "confused" who pass thru. Are you Aussie (mate)? Then you know about this garbage first hand... cont'd
watwp 5 years ago
... Aren't they still persecuting Frederick Toban/Adelaide Institute down there? This is UNSPEAKABLE! The jew Finkelstein keeps drawing comparisons to the
"flat earth society"-you don't see them making it illegal to claim the earth is flat. Why bother? It would be very easy to prove that position wrong. I guess they know they can't prove the Holocaust "deniers" wrong so they feel compelled to protect themselves by outlawing any discussion or research on the subject!
watwp 5 years ago
go Finkelstein!
murraypoopchin 5 years ago