Shoot and Move tactics

[TheCrapoo]

SBS is better

[MrKoalaburger]

In the corps, they call it "fire and maneuver". Great tactic tho. When I first learned that my mind was blown by how simplistic yet, effective such a tactic could be

[denison1126]

I need to try this next time I go deer hunting.

[obscureluzername]

I just jizzed in my pants

[maxinpains]

another tactics of seals are give a gun to a girl in a BAR & get shot by his own gun & die...LOL

[JalmarEst]

neeh, machine gun sucks, tactical weapon, like snipers have is way better and more damage.

[mathew83]

i noticed they turn inwards>>>>> i was always taught to turn outwards...so u can quickly observe your flank and also stops you from wondering or tripping into the next guys line of fire....im just interested to know if any of u other guys were taught the same??? we all seem to have similar drills and skills but theres always something slightly different or a different thought proses in to why we do things...... im ex UK Infantry and Private security contractor....

[politicaltruth42]

@mathew83 probably because these guys are actors in the video lol

[pacmanglock]

Squeezing each other on the arm and saying "last man" notifies the operator that he is the the last man and closest to the enemy and farthest from the team. It happens many times during the drill . With all the gunfire and auditory exclusion you likely won't hear the words and the squeeze brings about the operator's attention and he hears "last man"

[stopglobalswarming]

I was waiting for The Predator to jump down from the trees.

[southernsecurity]

Very good. Question? What is the purpose of tapping other on the shoulder?

[GuestUser127001]

@southernsecurity To alert the guy that he made it behind them.

[aptcmpasion]

note all the wpns are muzzle-up when moving:leave it to SEALs to correct the unbelievable,egregious error of moving (& not moving) w/ muzzle down-&-about,"passing" friendly legs etc,risking ricochets off the ground into buddies

[TacticalNotIncluded]

shooting the 60 looks fun, running with it doesn't.

[littlejohny072]

thats one of the best demo's of a fighting withdrawal i've seen

[politicaltruth42]

@ahears1 E&E is a broad term. a center peal is a tactic used to carry out an e&E

[YourRETARDEDchild]

Hmm..wasting a lot of ammo lol.

[USBorderGuard]

This training was conducted in the USMC utilizing live ammunition as well.

[cptromero5595]

god damn these guys are popin caps like a mother fuker

[soccom8341576]

was that dump of ammo completely necessary?

[airsoftmeister94]

@soccom8341576 Did you not hear the narrotor? He stated that when then engage it's their job to seem like a much larger force than they actually are, and to stun the enemy with an all out fury and fade away in the confusion.

[soccom8341576]

@airsoftmeister94

I see.

[ecnecsenave12]

@soccom8341576 yes, imagine an ambush. They see you, start shooting at you and then you unlush a shit load of bullets while fallling back 1 by 1, the foes are not able to chase you down while all that ammo is being dumped in their direction.

It is very neccesary to shoot that much.

[soccom8341576]

@ecnecsenave12

I think it's necessary.

[joeteixido]

@ecnecsenave12 actually it does't work well for an ambush... the only safe escape from an ambush is a frontar attack using a skirmish line and manouver. An Aussie or center peel usually works best when there is unexpected frontal contact during an offensive patrol when the enemy is still confussed. Try to dissengage like that on a properly laid ambush and you will suffer.

We used to practice this with live ammo and setting up a quick ambush or flank manouver.

[FLSanimation]

send them to russia !! :)

[CoolLikePenguinNuts]

Outstanding peel

[kjetil297]

that was badass

[joj0724]

thought it was called the leap frog, or somthing like that

[jmerrife]

Yes, that's taught as well. Both to advance and to withdraw. It's still called suppressive fire. The point of it is to keep the enemy's head down so you or your squad can move. If you happen to see an enemy head pop up; obviously you aim and try to hit him. But when your buddy calls out "MOVING!"; you start shooting- nonstop, so they don't peek out and tag his ass. As for 'backing it up'; I'm a 10 year combat vet XVIII ABN Corp. Sgt (E-5) : ) btw- Ermey kix ass !

[GameFanism]

Wow seems like a waste of ammo. I heard the military has not taught soldiers to fire guns accurately since WW2. In vietnam more ammunition was expended versus targets killed then Ammo expended/targets killed in WW2. Now a days I guess its all spray and pray.

[jmerrife]

@GameFanism Firing accurately is great for taking out targets; not so great when trying to move a squad. Just because nothing is specifically targeted doesn't mean it's a waste. You learn to use weapons for more than one purpose; in this example, the purpose wasn't to eliminate targets. It was to enable troop movement. This is called suppressive fire; and tends to keep the enemy's head down and unable to accurately target you and your squad, thus allowing you to evade and/or escape.

[jmerrife]

@GameFanism oh also; you heard wrong. : ) The military teaches markmanship, and requires passing marksmanship test each year.

[GameFanism]

@jmerrife Can you back this up? I heard Ermey say advance and fire. Is it still taught? I believe it was the episode where he was walking and firing many different guns, like BAR, PKM, Bren I believe. I thing he said advance and fire or something like that.

[NorthShoreGaming]

haha. American military. Just spray that shot all over the place right?

[hotelzoloactual]

@NorthShoreGaming i guess you don't know what suppressive fire is.

[tnhl77]

@NorthShoreGaming all during this your guys are peeing their pants callin for mama!

[bloom52410]

Wow. Impressive execution o this drill, brilliant coordination and discipline.

[velanstiz]

The idea of this drill is to confuse the enemy into thinking that the SEALs are a larger force than expected by increasing the volume of fire. An infantry platoon would have to approach more cautiously or even execute their own break-contact drill unless their mission is to maintain contact.

All in all its not that unbelievable. I was taught to gauge the enemy's strength and intentions by volume and direction of various types of gunfire. A center peel like that sounds confusing to me. =)

[csbob2004]

"Were not retreating, were advancing in a different direction" rofl

[carbine6]

sound good on paper anyway......

[csbob2004]

NOT realistic at all.........a normal infantry platoon faced against these seals would face roll them. By the time they got 100 rounds off there would a heavy support by fire limiting there movement and completely overwhelming them with a volume of fire they cant even move under. Simultaneously there would be a maneuvering squad coming up on their flank raping them. They would have not choice but to brake contact and would likely take 50% casualties.

[1CRAZYMF249]

the idea of it is to break contact thats why they do it a small fireteam is not ment 2 fight a platoon they r however ment 2 get out of there while puttin down as many of the enemy as possbile so they can

re-org and decide what they are going to do next

[1CRAZYMF249]

just listen 2 what the narator says at the begining it explains why they do this drill

csbob2004 what u said could happen but the whole point of this drill is 2 stop what u said from happening

they do this if bumped (spotted) so they can pull out and re-org

u have a better idea of what 2 do when a patrol is alerted to your presence?

go noob it about on counter strike and stop talking out of your anus via your fingers

[bloom52410]

Your scenario would be plausible if the infantry platoon knew the patrol was coming. Else, it would take an extremely talented and experienced platoon leader to assess the whole situation immediately (that is, immediately understand what is happening), order proper fire volume, and send his best squad to maneuvre. It would also need a well-trained platoon. Finally, in the jungle, or in a dense forest, it is highly improbable that there can be any way to maneuvre through the thick vegetation.

[bloom52410]

So, your idea would be correct if all this was happening on open ground. In the jungle, one should not risk send a squad to the unknown. There is always a chance the squad gets disorientated within a few meters, and amidst all the confusion, attack at the platoon instead at the patrol. It is better for the platoon leader to preserve his own men than risk all.

[csbob2004]

The element is contact is going to act in the same fashion.. Trying to gain fire superiority. The more incoming fire your have the more you are going to need to send back to gain superiority. It seems like trying to make yourself look like a bigger force would only bring a greater amount of fire on yourselves. If the platoon leader thinks its a small element he might leave 1 squad on support by fire. But if he thinks its big...then here come the 240's and another squad....

[bloom52410]

Again, how can anybody maneuvre in thick vegetation? When you have a lot of incoming fire you duck to save your life. And machine guns fire too many shots too rapidly. Increased fire volume can come from only one person, and can annihilate a whole platoon. It has happened in Vietnam. This drill works. Australians invented and applied it in Vietnam. It did not work very well with Bravo Two Zero, because it happened in the open, but even then the patrol managed to disengage.

[csbob2004]

@bloom52410 My point is that by increasing their volume of fire to try and make themselves look larger will probably work against them. Any unit that has any clue about what they are doing will try to gain fire superiority. In my opinion..fire a couple shots to make them take cover and haul ass. Sounds primitive but the classic turn and run works well too. There are different approaches to a break contact but i think this one is not the best, even in that situation.

[bloom52410]

Experienced troos will not be intimidated by just a couple of rounds. Your primitive tactics will only achieve you getting shot at the back while running away. Your tactics is the one rookies and inexperienced use, and they become easy prey. Whatever you think, the tactics shown has saved countless lives time and again.

[csbob2004]

Another negative aspect of making the enemy think you are a bigger element is the next time they go looking/fight you they are probably going to be a bigger element themselves. If they think you are a platoon when you are really 7 men then they might reinforce themselves with another platoon of their own. You never want to show the enemy all your cards, if anything you want them to think you are a smaller element.

[bloom52410]

@csbob2004 If you make the enemy think you are much stronger than you really are, what usually happens (in real wars) is that they retreat. If the SEALs give the impression they are a whole company, no platoon will try to maneuvre. They will retreat. Even if they are reinforced, when that happens, the SEALs will already be away, and have completed their mission. In this scenario,if the enemy thinks you are only 2 guys, they will chase you, when you do not want this.

[csbob2004]

You obviously dont understand how much firepower a platoon or even a company can put out. It would be impossible for a small team to fake that.

[bloom52410]

I fully understand; I have served in the infantry and know how it is. A well equipped squad can do lots of things. All the rest are theories.

[csbob2004]

Put yourself on the receiving end of a platoon laying down suppressing fire on you ass and see if you do anything except low crawl in the opposite direction...this shit might work against some untrained Viet Cong but thats about it

[1bigtarget]

@csbob2004 they dont need to fake it all they have to do is simply throw as much lead down range as possible a cuple of gernades here and there and maybe a little airsupport and the only thing your going to be doing is either runing in the other direction of digging a hole to get in

[insaneduane]

@csbob2004 Warfare is the art of deception. If you are weak, make them think you are strong. In this case the seals don't want to fight, they want to finish thier objective. So making the enemy think they are a larger force, the enemy will want to reinforce their numbers. By the time that happens the seals should be gone.

[markandmarty]

This is an original old SOG move.

[aussieexarmy]

we called it tunnel of love

[MADsander]

Discovery Channel always runs these specials,the SAW is very wood inducing.

[malhombre]

I think you mean the M60. I don't remember seeing any SAWs.

[thejmeister88]

I've seen this clip before then at the end a voice says "SEALs are..." then it ends. Is there an uncut version?

[bananamilk90]

WoOo.... TaT cOoL!!!

[wwjerry13]

Wow! This totally reminds me of Sunday night dinners at my Parants.

[devonai]

FYI this is also called a "banana" or "Australian" peel and is taught during US Army and Marine Corps basic training, although not with live ammunition.

[Chadstrike]

i called it shoot and move cus thats the name of the video, however it is technically a center peel....simply becuase that is the action taken, as well as what is being "yelled" during the movie. did you like it?

[HookEmTexasHorns]

Quality work being done there. I just hate having my skivvies & boot socks wet, LoL. Thank gawd for some of the new fabrics we get.

[HONORGUARD308]

@Chadstrike its also called the tunnel of love