Thank your for showing the other side of these shows...People really need to face the truth and start thinking for themselves instead of eating the disgusting soup of lies Seaworld feed them!!!
Dang. There's a lot of fighting going on here. and I'm only typing this because it keeps showing up on my homepage. It's obvious that anythingforkalina is just being an attention whore and seems to thrive on stirring up trouble. Let that be her issue. We all know that Obama isn't a terrorist and that every country has a genocidal past of some sort- 124yuppers and Anemisowatne, you're right, and 'Ashley' obviously knows it; and she's arguing her side pretty poorly in my opinion :P
If you are anti-cap why use words like "hissy fit" - this is a wiled animal being abused. I'm sure if you were locked in a tiny cage for the rest of your life you'd be somewhat narked too.
@PompeyNaziWatch Because I'm not going to anthropomorphize her banging a gate into a noble and heroic struggle for her freedom. She was upset for whatever reason, and let that emotion explode out no different then a three year old does. The problem is that when large complex animals are put into tiny tanks, when they have hissy fits like these, which are bound to happen, they can seriously injure themselves and others.
i really do not want to get in any sort of argument, but all you people bashing SeaWorld should go boycott a circus. circus animals have it awful! it makes these animals look like they have it absolutely perfect! circuses need to be everyone's main focus right now!
@chasethemagnificent We DO boycott circuses as well - and how can you say they have it "perfect". They are five ton animals in tiny tanks forced to do tricks for rewards. Their lifespan in the wild is 50 years on average but only EIGHT in captivity. How is that "perfect"? How ignorant!!!
@PompeyNaziWatch do not call me ignorant due to your failing to comprehend my statement. i said circuses make it "look like [killer whales] have it perfect." and if you compare the dirty, hot, cramped circus conditions to that of seaworld, then you will see my point.
shame on all people who go to places like that. Whales belong to the ocean!!!! not in a cave so that you can watch them!!! stupid americans think they can own everything.
@anemisowatne Excusee mee ? FYI , other countries have captive marine animals too . If you got your head out of your ass , you'd be well aware of REALITY . What are you five years old ? Before you start making accusations toward Americans , look at your own God damn country, which houses animals the exact same way ! Damn hypocrite . What a pathetic excuse for a human ...
@anythingforkalina FYI in my country we don´t captive whales in a small pools. And in my country we are polite instead of primitive, thats why we don´t verbally harass people just to defend our country. and we are realistic and down to earth, we don´t think we can do everything we want just to make money.
@anemisowatne Dude , any tank besides the ocean is a small pool to an orca . And it's not verbal harrassment , i'm calling you out on your obvious ignorance . You dished out the insults first , deal with it (; and don't blame American companies for being stingy , it's their job . hah blame that terrorist of a president we have .
@anythingforkalina for me "get your head out of your ass" is verbal harassment. don´t wanna know where you´re from, that you think talking like that is normal... Whales belong to the ocean, they would never want to live in a small tank. and calling obama a terrorist shows me that you´re definitly someone I don´t wanna go on discussing with. canting and arrogant. go support your great companies. that is pathetic. typical american.
@anemisowatne Yor profile says you're from Germany ; I like how you're so anti-cap , yet you guys held millions of Jews captive and tortured and killed them . Get the fuck out of here , you hypocrite !! ha You're the last person who should be talking here . I'm more disgusted by You than you could EVER be of ANY American , Clearly .
@anythingforkalina americans didn´t kill thousands of native people or held them in small camps? they didn´t throw a nuclear bomb on japan, no. Americans didn´t invade in irac just because of oil. COME ON!!! you can find something in every countries history. thanx for showing what a hypocrite you are... by the way how can you be so sure not having any german blood? many americans came originally from germany... :-)))
@anythingforkalina You can't claim one nationality is better or worse than one another based on their past- that's incredibly ignorant. The German people as a whole are not to blame for the Holocaust, inspiring hatred against them is just as wrong as inspiring hatred against the jews...As a whole, the US has done just as horrific things as Germany in its past, with the annihilation of the natives, slavery, the atomic bomb and Japanese internment camps.
@124yuppers in all fairness you should watch the movie IP MAN if you want to know what the Japanese were capable of.. they were some pretty scary well organized people. The Portuguese started the Slave trade. Only the very wealthy had slaves. The Americans treated the Japanese better than they treated the U.S. or anyone for that matter. After the campaign in Europe our manpower was low. We won the Pacific by the skin on our teeth. The firebombing in Japan was much worse than the A Bomb.
@stayAU My point was that every country has done horrible things in the past, because this person was making it seem as though Germany was the only country whose people have ever committed a genocide, or something equivalent. I'm not saying we didn't need to end the war, but I will never support killing thousands of civilians for political gains. You say other Europeans killed Natives, well yes, many of those Europeans went on to become Americans...
@124yuppers and Spain, the Dutch along with countless other European people helped to kill the Native Americans. The Dutch slaughtered tens of thousands of Native American's on what is now Manhattan in NY that is where the Dutch taught them the art of scalping.
@anythingforkalina Almost every nationality has made big, horrible mistakes, it has to do with being human. Please do not resort to discriminating comments.
@anythingforkalina whatever has happened in my country´s history doesn´t do anything to the fact that whales belong to the sea and I am allowed to have every oppinion my conscience allows.
@anythingforkalina Holy shit. You just called Obama a terrorist? Congratulations, you have one the most ignorant award for comments I have dealt with in my youtube career. I don't have a problem with republicans, but I do with right-winged lunatics, who will believe anything that fits their agenda. It is not American companies job's to be corrupt, that's what's wrong with this country. Ugh.
@ShamuRocks50 Wrong once again, Keiko survived nearly a year in the wild. After being unable to find his pod, he came back into human care, where he was fed, and given medical attention in a Norwegian fjord. He died from pneumonia, not from being unable to survive in the wild, surrounded by his trainers, in captivity. boom.
@124yuppers well everybody says he couldnt survive. im sticking with my story. btw 1 year isnt enough proof that they can survive in the wild.they should be able to survive more than 5 years in the wild. they should be released within 1 year after capture. they shouldnt be captured and released 20 years later !
@ShamuRocks50@ShamuRocks50 Is "everybody" a dozen or so pro-caps on youtube? One year is a lot of proof. It shows he knew how to hunt and navigate on his own. Are you a marine biologist? Do you have any knowledge on orcas past a few youtube videos, and maybe a few online article? I really don't think you're qualified to be making those kinds of statements.
@ShamuRocks50 Okay so I'm trying to send you a link, but youtube's being weird, just google "keiko's death," the first article is pretty unbiased and factual, from msnbc. Read, and adjust your story.
@ShamuRocks50 some are not ready to be released. I guess it really depends on what is wrong to begin with. It is hard for me one way or the other because I think it is great such a beautiful animal is able to be that close to people to learn from, but I think they should not be in such small areas. I think their habitat should be bigger and more realistic. For those they claim to only be rescues animlas, they should be put in a holding tank and treated like wild animals and...
@ShamuRocks50 ...made to hunt their live food in their tanks. Hand feeding them dead fish is what makes them dependent on us. Maybe they should change the way they treat the ones they rescue and make it less personal. It is a bummer, but at some point we have to decide if we are helping or making it worse. I do not hear people complaining about the endanged wild life being held captive and bred to help grow the population. We can't pick and choose which ones to support or not.
@jeffandkell7510 Okay, we're both wrong. According to Cousteau's societies' website, ocean futures.org, Keiko was on his own for three weeks in and out of pods, then they lost sight of him for 60 days, where upon he arrived in a Norwegian fjord following a boat, he was in good shape, a vet declared him healthy. He lived there for awhile, hunting for himself, then was transported to another bay in dec where he was fed and cared for, on the 12th he died, in human care.
@jeffandkell7510 SPAM ! your comment cant change my mind and it wont stop captivity ! dont but in. let me be. dont change my opinion on keiko and captivity ! do not reply ! Now Scram !
@124yuppers Actually I have done some reading on this as well. He came back less than 7 months after being released malnurished and hungry begging for food from fishing boats. When they were able to bring him back in he was very sick and died shortly after of pneumonia. So, he was unable to survive in the wild, and he needed his trainers because he didn't know how to constantly hunt for survival after being in captivity. "boom" as you put it. Get your facts right.
@jeffandkell7510 What has some of your reading been? From what I've heard, Keiko arrived in Norway 7 months after he swam away from his seapen, but he continued to hunt on his own for the next several months. I haven't heard of him begging for food, but I know he did beg for attention, which reflects more than anything else that Keiko's downfall was his inability to reunite with his pod. On another note, 7 mons is long, even if he was malnourished he would have to have been
@jeffandkell7510 hunting semi-successfully by himself. Nothing larger than a water bear could survive 7 months without eating. I'll look up a time line, because I'm a little effy on the details. On what you're saying with shamurocks, no one, not even seaworld is pretending to eventually release any orcas back into the wild to sustain the population, that has never or ever will be a goal.
god kayla just wanted to be with malia trua and nalani nothing special!!! and i only saw her bang the gate once so i rekon she didnt know it was shut and then realised!! stop being so negative
umm any animal going full speed smack bang into a gate/wall is not behavior of a happy/normal/ well adjusted animal. clearly this creature is very distressed about something, my guess either its upset it's been taken away from its family as any infant would be or that bloody music is driving it literally insane, since the other orca's also seem very upset i would guess its the music since cetaceans are extremely sensitive to sound that must be torture for them.
@PlumagedPower Whales and dolphins are unable to hear most human voice-ranged sounds, their brains are designed to pick up much higher frequencies. This is why trainers, even when it's quite, use hand signals and whistles. I don't doubt the animals can hear the vibrations of the music, but people complaining "the music's too loud, it's hurting them" annoys me.
Kayla wasn't going full speed directly into the gate/wall.
She was born in captivity, therefore not "taken from its family" in the wild.
It wasn't the music.
It was the two adult females being temporarily seperated from the 3 youngsters for whatever reason. They've been seperated numerous times before this with no reactions or problems, just this time something about it upset them. With orcas one moment something can be okay, but in the next moment not okay.
@PlumagedPower the whale in that video was born in captivity. so she wasnt taken away from her family. they cant hear the music anyways. if they could hear it, the music wouldnt be used.
@PlumagedPower Get a clue , you idiot. Kayla was born in captivity , as well as MOST of the orcas in captivity now . Know the facts before you try spreading dumb-ass slander like this . It just makes you look stupid , not that you already aren't . lol
oh i really care. dont waste your time correcting me. by the way if you are anti cap, why did you go to sea world ? how hipocratic is that? you betray other anti caps !
Ya'll calm down. kayla naturally is one of the biggest show offs ive EVER seen(: She just want everyone to notice her. SHES STUBBORN AT BEST. Leave this poor girl alone. Self harm? Why dont you give it a go? STOP. Lve you Kayla(:
When I watch this, it makes me so sad. For a start, that music is way too loud and the sound is bouncing off of the tank walls and whales and dolphins have really sensitive hearing. This must be a nightmare for them.
@beakyhope Hahahahahaha cool story , bro . Really , you should write a novel with all this shit you seem to "know" ... Orcas. Don't. Have. Human. Hearing , you cunt . It's loud to us , but nothing for them . Their frequencies are much higher , dumbass .
@anythingforkalina Whoa there bucky, calm the frick down. If you have an actual point to make, make it, otherwise I don't need your cussing on my video.
these animals should have never been put into captivity. its disgusting what people will do to make money, even if its exploiting beautiful wild animals.
Throwing a "hissy fit" and refusing to perform is one thing. This is self injury. Self injury is not normal- for humans or these animals. Having a "bad day" is okay--hitting your head against a wall purposfully inflicting harm on yourself is crossing a line. This whale's mental health should be in question. It's strange that many people here are just passing it off as a "temper tantrum." Hello? Are you awake in there?! This whale is messed up in the brain this is NOT okay- and NOT justifiable.
@dolphinserenity I think this is a little bit of an over exaggerated assumption at kindest. It's not like Kayla was cutting herself, it appeared as though she wanted to get to trua, nalani and malia, and the gates were in her way. Had she been looking for pain because she was deranged, and did this many times, you would be able to see it. Don't anthropomorphize and dramatize her actions, especially with no evidence.
@124yuppers The evidence is right in front of me. She is repeatedly ramming the gate and therefore repeatedly inflicting harm. She is hurting herself. Also, for me to say that self harm is abnormal for humans and animals is not an anthropomorphization of the animal- it is a scientific fact. Animals seek survival, and the will to live- especially as intelligent as these creatures are. It is abnormal for an animal- or human to go against that instinct and to hurt yourself instead.
@dolphinserenity You're very right about that I'm sorry that was kinda an auto-response I've had a lot of comments like "she's standing up for herself," on here, which are anthropomorphizing. From other videos and accounts, Kayla does not do this every day, rather this was a unique behavior in response to the "unique" situation of being separated from her pod.
@dolphinserenity I'm sure Kayla throws other hissy fits on other days for different reasons, but as from what I've heard, she's not just repeatedly banging her head against the walls so I don't think this is an example of a psychotic behavior. Also it seems more of pain as a consequence than a goal. Not that I'm arguing the whales at seaworld aren't messed up, they are- I just don't think this is an example of a whale acting on that.
@dolphinserenity wow? really.. she wants the other whale. When a dog scratches out the door to go outside,,does it mean they are mentaly messed up, when a whale see's another whale, it doesnt have claws to scratch at the gate, they use their head to hit it! Clearly it is just instinct not an emo whale.
"Look at that, she's banging on the gates! That's NOT suppose to happen!"
Nooo really?
So when my daughter or son throws a hissy fit in their playpen and throws things around and slams their fists up against the sides, does that I mean I am not giving them enough attention and that I should release my children into the wilderness? Or maybe you are overreacting and everyone has a bad day... even animals.
@RingneckDoveFan Whatup ringneckdovefan, long time no comment. just ignore what I say in this video, it's kinda obnoxious. I said in the description, and in most of the comments, that I believe this is Kayla having a bad day. The problem is that, when she throws a hissy fit, like any animal or person does, in a concrete tank surrounded by humans, she can seriously harm herself, the tank and the trainers.
@RingneckDoveFan A 45lbs. child throwing himself against a plastic play pen, probably shielding himself with his hands, as most humans do, vs a 7,000 lbs animal colliding head on at 20mph into metal bars-there's a difference.
You know I'm not for releasing them into the wild. Rehabilitation/ an end to captive breeding is what I stand for.
@RingneckDoveFan I hope you can understand the difference between the damage a four year old can make vs. a killer whale.
She did it hit it head on at certain points, and she was going 10 mph minimum while swimming around the tanks.
I didn't I paid, it's the one and only time I've been to a seaworld park. I'm not going back, and how can I say the animals at seaworld are being mistreated when I've never even been there. That's how many pro-caps used to discredit my argument.
I can run into my walls right now as fast as I can and nothing will happen. I'll be fine. Kayla was fine. Why are you talking about the damage? NO KIDDING there is more damage. We are talking 6,000lb. and 18 ft long. But was Kayla bleeding? Did the gate bust down? She was throwing a hissyfit because she wanted to see the 3 kids. Things like that happen to all living creatures, especially animals in captivity.
@RingneckDoveFan Yeah but see the difference between you and a killer whale, is she is 7,000 lbs larger, and can move at a speed four as fast. Orcas are made from the same, bones and muscle we are, perhaps more of it, but it's not like she's made from titanium. Crashing into metal bars at 20mph when you are 7,000lbs is not going to feel good. I was at a bad vantage point, she could have broken a tooth or severally bruised her melon, that stuff's hard to view up in the stadium
@RingneckDoveFan The point is, like any animal, if she throws a hissy fit now, she's probably more than likely to throw hissy fits later, and one of those times, she could severally damage herself, and the tank or trainers. During Hugo's hissy fits he didn't always cause damage, but in one bad one, he sliced off his melon and broke the glass in his tank. Keeping large, complex animals who have emotions in captivity is extremely dangerous for the animal, and the people involved.
@RingneckDoveFan Lawlz you do know seaworld orlando has no performing pilot whales, right? I happened to be at the right place at the right time to film this, it's not like I was searching for an animal to throw a fit. I assure you trainers still separate them, and even if they didn't, Kayla would still throw hissy fits occasionally, she's alive. Perhaps, but some animals have brains with a bigger capacities for emotion. Combine that with gigantic girth and speed
@RingneckDoveFan and stick the animal in a tank tank surrounded by concrete walls, and you have a problem. The only other animal I would say is equivalent in this situation is Elephants, which is why I believe they should only be kept in certain sanctuaries.
@CowieMooCowxo87 I find it funny that you accuse anti caps of being over the top peta freaks. First of all, not all of us agree 100% with all that peta does. Second, whenever any of us make respectful, intelligent, common sense comments, they are completely shut off by closeminded pro caps. Just sayin. And when these WILD WHALES have a meltdown, it's because of the cruel confinement the have to endure on a daily basis. Floating in a tank PALES in comparison to swimming over 100 miles a day .
@MichelleL19691 Hi, I think you meant that for me. #1- I am anti-cap, the fight was not about a captive life vs. a free life, it's about whether the animal was "having a meltdown" or nobly standing up for herself in some anthropomorphic act of protest. I hate when I'm discussing with with a pro-cap and they assume I want all seaworld trainers to be eaten by whales and support peta. I don't, and comment's like cowiemoo's are why many pro-caps won't take us seriously.
@MichelleL19691 Also, the fact is that SOME orcas travel UP TO 100 miles per day during migration times on RARE occasions.In winter/ summer months, residents (who's ancestors make up a good majority of the captive population) spend their time in around the same areas. Of course it doesn't compare to a tank, but as a tip, don't over exaggerate facts in your next debate.
So whenever complex captive animals have meltdowns, its captivity's fault, but when they have meltdowns in the wild, its normal? You do realize all living things have meltdowns right? Not everyday is going to be a beautiful day in the neighborhood.
"throws a hissy fit"? this beautiful creature is being imprisoned and mentally tortured for disgusting human's entertainment, this is NOT a fucking "hissy fit", it's a psychotic break. can't wait until more stupid humans get fucking killed at sea world.
@CowieMooCowxo87 What an insane, psychopathic comment, you're the reason anti-caps are viewed as crazy over the top peta freaks. If you want people to take you seriously, write intelligent, polite comments to get your view across. Until then, please stop trolling, you're giving anti-caps like me a bad name.
@124yuppers I'm not anti-captivity, I'm anti-seaworld/anti animal entertainment. I have every right to be pissed off when somebody describes a clearly frustrated animal as "having a hissy fit" when it can't take the abuse anymore.
@CowieMooCowxo87 anti-seaworld/ anti- circus is basically anti-captivity. It's not like she was defying the trainers, or "standing up," for herself or whatever, she was frustrated and displayed this by acting out, much like an angry child. The problem in this is when you keep such large, complex animals in little boxes, when they throw hissy fits they can hurt others and themselves.
@124yuppers Kayla wouldn't know how to stand up for herself against the trainers.She has been in captivity for the majority of her life which means she knows no better than do "tricks" for entertainment and money.It's sad really,she was once in this world for a purpose but now she is in the world to entertain.I'm with @CowieMooCowxo87 on this one.Putting someone in prison for nothing is torture.How about some sicko put's you into a box that is too small and then makes you perform tricks?
@xxtasha10xx I mean, she's also an orca, so I don't really know what "standing up to a trainer" would look like. She has been in captivity all her life, Kayla is the calf of Keneau and Orky2, she has only ever lived in seaworld facilities. Yea-um I'm anti-cap and we weren't debating a captive life vs. a wild life, we were talking about whether or not Kayla was throwing a "hissy fit."
@124yuppers The more you visit seaworld and pay them money.The more they are going to breed them.Katina has had 7 babies.Wild Orcas usually have a couple in their lifetime.They are breeding for profit.That's all they ever want from their animals is money.I'm not saying the trainers are like that but the people that own it.They should stop breeding and be shut down.
@xxtasha10xx I've only ever been to seaworld once. Wild orcas start breeding at anywhere from 7-12 years old (when they are 15-18 ft long), and calve around every 5 years for 25 years. That's around 5 calves in a lifetime.I'd like for you to note that Katina has never been artificially inseminated, she conceived those calves on her own will. I agree with you on the breeding part.
"That's not supposed to happen". No, Orcas are wild animals and should live in the ocean with their pods. NO Kayly is NOT happy but the Sea World profiteers sure are!
Dolphins (and by extension orcas) are even more dependent on communicating through sound than we are. Their whole foreheads and jaws are specifically designed to read and translate sound waves. Imagine all the noise from thousands of screaming people and some loud soundtrack bouncing off the walls of that pool. It must be like being trapped in a tiny bathroom all your life with constant speakers turned to maximum roaring in your face.
this is so mean i hate aquariums 8( ! i cant believe this is were they have to spend the rest of their lives in that little tank never to go back to the ocean 8( i would go insane ! poor animals put on display
@124yuppers oh cool! ya I went to sealworld orlando about 8years ago I didnt get to see the actual show because we just missed it and it was really hot out so we weren't waiting around for the next show but I went in the exit as everyone was leaving just to get a glimpse of the Orcas because they are my favorite and it was sad there was only one whale in the main tank and it was up against the bars calling to the other whales and kissing one of the other whales through the bars :(
@EdwardandBella1718 What's the problem with that. The rare time I make the nine hour flight over there, I always hit SeaWorld. What's wrong with loving something so much that their images and names are imbedded in your mind? That when you can see when they are upset. That you cry when they die. What is so wrong about that?
@EdwardandBella1718 Your comment 'thats really sad so do you go to this sea world alot you really seem to be able to tell who each individual whale is!'.
It did not 'upset' me. I was merely asking you a question about your comment.
Orcas are so incredible. So smart, beautiful, and filled with a wild freedom that no human can ever take away. Just like with horses, wolves, the big cats, and all the other wild animals.
She's devastated by the fact that she was forced to give birth to a child that will spend its whole life in a barren tank forced to perform tricks for apes twice a day until she is dead.
@scrubjay93 1 Mak is a boy 2 Kayla is not his mother 3 KAYLA IS CAPTIVE BORN 4 Katina is mak mom n Katina has never been aggressive 5 LEARN UR FACTS KID!
@killerwhalemepstudio I don't care if they are captive born or not--killer whales do not belong in circuses like this. Maybe when you are an adult, you will understand. These are some of the most intelligent, social animals on the planet and humans cannot provide suitable habitat for them in captivity. The only reason to keep them in captivity is to provide entertainment for humans--to me, it's incredibly selfish and the entire enterprise is driven by profit. Sick.
@124yuppers Honestly I'm a little confused by your statements. You say you are anti-cap and that you didn't go to Sea World to see the entertainment but to do it to see for your own eyes. However, it takes someone a very long time to learn the different markings of the whales and yet you seem to know all the names....seems kind of ironic you are anti cap when you seem to know the markings and which whale is which. Perhaps you secretly do enjoy the entertainment of it all.
@illinoisgirl82 lawlz no, most whale people on youtube have never been in seaworld but can identify all the animals. There are plenty of databases (phinventory, cetaceancousins, orcahome) where you can learn the markings/ back stories/ lineage. I could identify all the whales like a year before I stepped foot in seaworld. It's not that hard. They really do look completely different, I go by their eye patches which are almost all dramatically different.
@Jdocent If you read my explanation, you'd see I've only been to SW once, the markings are easy to tell apart, I learned them from the internet. I could identify all of SW's orcas like a year before I ever stepped foot in SW. I do not enjoy SW entertainment, I doubt anyone over 9 does.
Im not twisting any fact, i'm just telling you what ive read. Plus how would you know my conclusions? This is the first time i ever spoke to you. :S I know most orcas are born in captivity and they shouldn't be released, they would die. I know that at most places they don't capture orcas anymore, but that now! Seaworld needs new breeders, tilikum is also getting old, they need new blood. So sooner or later, some new orcas will be captured again, the question is when?
@coley4evr Well aren't you the little smart alek. Let's look at what's wrong in this statement. A, I'm not involved in anyway nor do I support peta. You can be anti-cap without being apart of some extremist organizations. Some good organizations that have a case against captive cetaceans include HSUS, WSPA and born free. B, I was not going there for fun or entertainment or whatever. I went once so I could see what it was like through my own eyes, without some biased spin on it.
You people make me laugh all this BS about how, "SeaWorld abuses their animals" and how terrible it is. WHERE IS THE PROOF???? Im waiting to see some evidence of mistreatment! And then you say, "Oh it happens behind closed doors or when no one is there." Ok so they abuse their animals from 10pm to 10am? Stop telling everyone that THESE WHALES (the majority of which were born in captivity) need to go back to the wild, because that is a death sentence and you know it!
@davidepugh A No one reasonable is asking to just throw them out in the wild. We want to rehabilitate those animals who are good candidates for release. It's a very slow process, getting them use to open ocean, teaching them how to catch fish and working up their endurance. It's been done several times successfully with dolphins. The vast majority of animals will NOT be able to be released. We want to retire them to large sea pens where they can live out the rest of their days in peace.
@124yuppers....... In fact I would agree they should be much larger. And the fact of the matter is, and no one from PETA or any other animal protection group wants to admit it, these animals are living longer and longer in captivity. They fully mature adults: Katina and Corky II, that are 35 and 40+ yrs of age. And many other adult killer whales in their 20s, Again, i dont advocate captivity, I just wish people would put the facts better into context.
@davidepugh something to brag about as the AVERAGE of wild orcas is 50 years according to the NOAA and we've been capturing them since the 1960's and the animals in captivity have medical care, easy access to food and no predators. There have not been any documented attacks in the wild. There have been a few instances in which an orca has nudged someone, but never anything worse then that. I agree the facts are stretched especially in the COve
@124yuppers I dont wish to get into an argument over all this. Im just saying please be careful with how one uses their facts. Many people twist them around, insisting that all killer whales travel up to 100 miles a day and dive down 500 meters. When the facts show that only transients travel that far, and that the majority of killer whales spend their time in 60 meters of water. I have tremendous admiration for anyone who wants to preserve the life of these beautiful animals, but....
@davidepugh The proof is in the HIGH mortality rates, especially in captive orcas. The average life span of a wild orca is 50 years with a longevity of 80-90 years for females, the average life span of a captive orca is 8 years, with a longevity of 45 years for a few captive females. The proof is in the damaged teeth of many captive whales who chew on their tanks out of stress, in the sun burned backs and premature cataracts on their eyes. These aren't noticeable to anyone who isn't looking.
@davidepugh SW doesn't whip or beat their animals, infact, they try to provide the best care they can. It just isn't enough. The 200 ft long tanks are NOTHING to the animals who travel up to 100 miles a day in the wild. The 36ft max tanks are way too shallow for animals who can dive 500 meters to find food. The tanks are incredibly barren and provide no reason for them to use their most important sense, echo-location. The dead fish they are fed provide no stimulation and dehydrate them.
@124yuppers Ok, see this is where you need to be careful, with facts. First let me say that I am not anti-cap, but nor am i for it. I am not for releasing these animals on there own, ocean pens? Maybe. But most of these killer whales captivity are resident killer whales, which do not travel up to 100 miles a day like transient killer whales. Resident killer whales also spend most of their time in shallower waters. Again, Im not saying the tanks are big enough, in fact....
@davidepugh All of SW's medical inspections are good hearted but cruel, unnecessary and painful for the animals. Look up keto's endoscopy and teeth drilling. Orcas have never attacked a person in the wild, fights between them are incredibly rare. In captivity 4 people have died and 46 people have been injured in 60 years, attacks are common between them, look up Kalina's fights, or Kandu5's death when attacking Corky2. In the end captivity just doesn't work with cetaceans.
@davidepugh...we take them when we fucking please...where do you think Lolita and Hugo (deceased/suicide) are from??? a nice big pod,approx 58 were taken that day...another tatic, you dont perform--you dont eat (food deprivation)...and i have witnessed that myself..for your pee-brain, let us imagine--we demand a free society--but we capture wild animals and take there freedom??? explain that asshole????
@MsCargento Again here we go with the PETA scare tactics! If they dont perform then they dont eat!!! WOW that is the biggest load of bullshit I have ever heard in my life! And you've sat in the park for days and witnessed it yourself??? Anyone with any common sense is calling you out on that!!! HA! Well then you better not have pets @ home all locked up in your house cause that would make you a hypocritical asshole! Still your solution to drop these animals in the wild will kill them!
@MsCargento Further more I never said I supported the Miami sea aquarium!! That place is a fucking joke! Further more those whales were captured in 1968 and 1970... before the capture ban in the US you fucking idiot! Like i said before we dont capture anymore dumbass!
@davidepugh Man, you are for real??? I said alllllll wild animals you idiot.....alll wild animals--I still see circuses, zoos, right?????...However, my prime point is HUMANS DO WHAT THEY WANT......Humans seem to think if it is free--we can take it....and make money off it... wake the fuck up already...Fuck the ban son, the damage is done...and the all the damage in this world, is caused by the hand of a HUMAN, NOT AN ANIMAL!!!
@davidepugh ever been to japan? They take like a 100 dolphins there so the aquariums can choose the nice once out of it, the rest gets killed! there are actuall footage of that. Also i read that they started capturing orca's in russia! When orca capturing was banned in 1972... I think, they went to Iceland to capture them, Dolfinarium Hardewijk got the whales, as a stop and then shipped to Seaworld later. I have a list of all the whales from there, Kenau is one of them and KanduV etc.
@GrunnLady I don't think you've been to Japan, but I also saw "The Cove". And yes, one orca was captured by Russia, in the Kamchatka Peninsula of Russia, in 2003. The orca, a female, later died in Russia. They are the only country to break the ban aside from Japan, who has never abided by it to begin with. Again, Im not Pro-cap, i said it before in my other comments and again, stop twisting the facts to fit your forgone conclusions!
@davidepugh oh yea what about morgan??? A captured orca in the north sea, at first because she was sick now they don't want to release her. They want to sell her to loro parque probably for new breed. And as of today in japan the dolphin hunting has began, again. I'm not talking about orcas alone >.>. And on the russian site for orcas they said they are starting to capture orcas in russia, there has been a permit to hunt them, which was also seen on the site. I've also done my research.
watch a fall from freedom. that music is so loud to them, you are torching the mother and the baby! ASSHOLES!
7Diamonde 2 days ago
BELIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEVE the lies we want you to believe ignorant cash cow errrh I mean dear visitors...
chansondudimanche 1 week ago
Thank your for showing the other side of these shows...People really need to face the truth and start thinking for themselves instead of eating the disgusting soup of lies Seaworld feed them!!!
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Dang. There's a lot of fighting going on here. and I'm only typing this because it keeps showing up on my homepage. It's obvious that anythingforkalina is just being an attention whore and seems to thrive on stirring up trouble. Let that be her issue. We all know that Obama isn't a terrorist and that every country has a genocidal past of some sort- 124yuppers and Anemisowatne, you're right, and 'Ashley' obviously knows it; and she's arguing her side pretty poorly in my opinion :P
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Nalaniluvr95 1 week ago
If you are anti-cap why use words like "hissy fit" - this is a wiled animal being abused. I'm sure if you were locked in a tiny cage for the rest of your life you'd be somewhat narked too.
PompeyNaziWatch 2 weeks ago
@PompeyNaziWatch Because I'm not going to anthropomorphize her banging a gate into a noble and heroic struggle for her freedom. She was upset for whatever reason, and let that emotion explode out no different then a three year old does. The problem is that when large complex animals are put into tiny tanks, when they have hissy fits like these, which are bound to happen, they can seriously injure themselves and others.
124yuppers 2 weeks ago
i really do not want to get in any sort of argument, but all you people bashing SeaWorld should go boycott a circus. circus animals have it awful! it makes these animals look like they have it absolutely perfect! circuses need to be everyone's main focus right now!
chasethemagnificent 2 weeks ago
@chasethemagnificent We DO boycott circuses as well - and how can you say they have it "perfect". They are five ton animals in tiny tanks forced to do tricks for rewards. Their lifespan in the wild is 50 years on average but only EIGHT in captivity. How is that "perfect"? How ignorant!!!
PompeyNaziWatch 2 weeks ago
@PompeyNaziWatch do not call me ignorant due to your failing to comprehend my statement. i said circuses make it "look like [killer whales] have it perfect." and if you compare the dirty, hot, cramped circus conditions to that of seaworld, then you will see my point.
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ConnorrJames 3 weeks ago
this is so heart breaking to watch, if those whales had the chance to leave and never go back they would in a heart beat.
madmanric 1 month ago
i feel sorry for whales having to listen to that shit song all day
Piddmiester 1 month ago 14
so terrible to watch.
anemisowatne 1 month ago
shame on all people who go to places like that. Whales belong to the ocean!!!! not in a cave so that you can watch them!!! stupid americans think they can own everything.
anemisowatne 1 month ago
@anemisowatne Excusee mee ? FYI , other countries have captive marine animals too . If you got your head out of your ass , you'd be well aware of REALITY . What are you five years old ? Before you start making accusations toward Americans , look at your own God damn country, which houses animals the exact same way ! Damn hypocrite . What a pathetic excuse for a human ...
anythingforkalina 2 weeks ago
@anythingforkalina FYI in my country we don´t captive whales in a small pools. And in my country we are polite instead of primitive, thats why we don´t verbally harass people just to defend our country. and we are realistic and down to earth, we don´t think we can do everything we want just to make money.
anemisowatne 1 week ago
@anemisowatne Dude , any tank besides the ocean is a small pool to an orca . And it's not verbal harrassment , i'm calling you out on your obvious ignorance . You dished out the insults first , deal with it (; and don't blame American companies for being stingy , it's their job . hah blame that terrorist of a president we have .
anythingforkalina 1 week ago
@anythingforkalina for me "get your head out of your ass" is verbal harassment. don´t wanna know where you´re from, that you think talking like that is normal... Whales belong to the ocean, they would never want to live in a small tank. and calling obama a terrorist shows me that you´re definitly someone I don´t wanna go on discussing with. canting and arrogant. go support your great companies. that is pathetic. typical american.
anemisowatne 1 week ago
@anemisowatne Yor profile says you're from Germany ; I like how you're so anti-cap , yet you guys held millions of Jews captive and tortured and killed them . Get the fuck out of here , you hypocrite !! ha You're the last person who should be talking here . I'm more disgusted by You than you could EVER be of ANY American , Clearly .
anythingforkalina 1 week ago
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anemisowatne 1 week ago
@anythingforkalina americans didn´t kill thousands of native people or held them in small camps? they didn´t throw a nuclear bomb on japan, no. Americans didn´t invade in irac just because of oil. COME ON!!! you can find something in every countries history. thanx for showing what a hypocrite you are... by the way how can you be so sure not having any german blood? many americans came originally from germany... :-)))
anemisowatne 1 week ago
@anemisowatne Oh my gosh I am so completely on your side, please, crush her XD
124yuppers 1 week ago
@anythingforkalina You can't claim one nationality is better or worse than one another based on their past- that's incredibly ignorant. The German people as a whole are not to blame for the Holocaust, inspiring hatred against them is just as wrong as inspiring hatred against the jews...As a whole, the US has done just as horrific things as Germany in its past, with the annihilation of the natives, slavery, the atomic bomb and Japanese internment camps.
124yuppers 1 week ago
@124yuppers in all fairness you should watch the movie IP MAN if you want to know what the Japanese were capable of.. they were some pretty scary well organized people. The Portuguese started the Slave trade. Only the very wealthy had slaves. The Americans treated the Japanese better than they treated the U.S. or anyone for that matter. After the campaign in Europe our manpower was low. We won the Pacific by the skin on our teeth. The firebombing in Japan was much worse than the A Bomb.
stayAU 1 week ago
@stayAU My point was that every country has done horrible things in the past, because this person was making it seem as though Germany was the only country whose people have ever committed a genocide, or something equivalent. I'm not saying we didn't need to end the war, but I will never support killing thousands of civilians for political gains. You say other Europeans killed Natives, well yes, many of those Europeans went on to become Americans...
124yuppers 1 week ago
@124yuppers and Spain, the Dutch along with countless other European people helped to kill the Native Americans. The Dutch slaughtered tens of thousands of Native American's on what is now Manhattan in NY that is where the Dutch taught them the art of scalping.
stayAU 1 week ago
@stayAU even Black Americans killed Native Americans. After Custer got slaughtered they sent in the Buffalo Soldiers to finish off the Sioux.
stayAU 1 week ago
@anythingforkalina Almost every nationality has made big, horrible mistakes, it has to do with being human. Please do not resort to discriminating comments.
124yuppers 1 week ago
@anythingforkalina whatever has happened in my country´s history doesn´t do anything to the fact that whales belong to the sea and I am allowed to have every oppinion my conscience allows.
anemisowatne 1 week ago 2
@anythingforkalina Holy shit. You just called Obama a terrorist? Congratulations, you have one the most ignorant award for comments I have dealt with in my youtube career. I don't have a problem with republicans, but I do with right-winged lunatics, who will believe anything that fits their agenda. It is not American companies job's to be corrupt, that's what's wrong with this country. Ugh.
124yuppers 1 week ago
i am glad that the Trainers got her to comm down be for she hurt her self doing that
TCN131 1 month ago
shes had enough obviously
spagbol2323 1 month ago
if your anti cap why the hell did u go to sea world?
chcklonghorn 1 month ago 9
1:08, Katina was chasing her trying to get Kayla under controll !
ShamuRocks50 1 month ago
anti captivity kills
ShamuRocks50 1 month ago
go captivity !
ShamuRocks50 1 month ago
@ShamuRocks50 haha, give me one instance, one time where anti-captivity killed...
124yuppers 1 month ago
@124yuppers keiko's release. he died because he could barely survive in the wild.
ShamuRocks50 1 month ago
@ShamuRocks50 Wrong once again, Keiko survived nearly a year in the wild. After being unable to find his pod, he came back into human care, where he was fed, and given medical attention in a Norwegian fjord. He died from pneumonia, not from being unable to survive in the wild, surrounded by his trainers, in captivity. boom.
124yuppers 1 month ago
@124yuppers well everybody says he couldnt survive. im sticking with my story. btw 1 year isnt enough proof that they can survive in the wild.they should be able to survive more than 5 years in the wild. they should be released within 1 year after capture. they shouldnt be captured and released 20 years later !
ShamuRocks50 1 month ago
@ShamuRocks50 @ShamuRocks50 Is "everybody" a dozen or so pro-caps on youtube? One year is a lot of proof. It shows he knew how to hunt and navigate on his own. Are you a marine biologist? Do you have any knowledge on orcas past a few youtube videos, and maybe a few online article? I really don't think you're qualified to be making those kinds of statements.
124yuppers 1 month ago
@ShamuRocks50 Okay so I'm trying to send you a link, but youtube's being weird, just google "keiko's death," the first article is pretty unbiased and factual, from msnbc. Read, and adjust your story.
124yuppers 1 month ago
@ShamuRocks50 some are not ready to be released. I guess it really depends on what is wrong to begin with. It is hard for me one way or the other because I think it is great such a beautiful animal is able to be that close to people to learn from, but I think they should not be in such small areas. I think their habitat should be bigger and more realistic. For those they claim to only be rescues animlas, they should be put in a holding tank and treated like wild animals and...
jeffandkell7510 1 month ago
@ShamuRocks50 ...made to hunt their live food in their tanks. Hand feeding them dead fish is what makes them dependent on us. Maybe they should change the way they treat the ones they rescue and make it less personal. It is a bummer, but at some point we have to decide if we are helping or making it worse. I do not hear people complaining about the endanged wild life being held captive and bred to help grow the population. We can't pick and choose which ones to support or not.
jeffandkell7510 1 month ago
@jeffandkell7510 Okay, we're both wrong. According to Cousteau's societies' website, ocean futures.org, Keiko was on his own for three weeks in and out of pods, then they lost sight of him for 60 days, where upon he arrived in a Norwegian fjord following a boat, he was in good shape, a vet declared him healthy. He lived there for awhile, hunting for himself, then was transported to another bay in dec where he was fed and cared for, on the 12th he died, in human care.
124yuppers 1 month ago
@jeffandkell7510 SPAM ! your comment cant change my mind and it wont stop captivity ! dont but in. let me be. dont change my opinion on keiko and captivity ! do not reply ! Now Scram !
ShamuRocks50 1 month ago
@124yuppers Actually I have done some reading on this as well. He came back less than 7 months after being released malnurished and hungry begging for food from fishing boats. When they were able to bring him back in he was very sick and died shortly after of pneumonia. So, he was unable to survive in the wild, and he needed his trainers because he didn't know how to constantly hunt for survival after being in captivity. "boom" as you put it. Get your facts right.
jeffandkell7510 1 month ago
@jeffandkell7510 What has some of your reading been? From what I've heard, Keiko arrived in Norway 7 months after he swam away from his seapen, but he continued to hunt on his own for the next several months. I haven't heard of him begging for food, but I know he did beg for attention, which reflects more than anything else that Keiko's downfall was his inability to reunite with his pod. On another note, 7 mons is long, even if he was malnourished he would have to have been
124yuppers 1 month ago
@jeffandkell7510 hunting semi-successfully by himself. Nothing larger than a water bear could survive 7 months without eating. I'll look up a time line, because I'm a little effy on the details. On what you're saying with shamurocks, no one, not even seaworld is pretending to eventually release any orcas back into the wild to sustain the population, that has never or ever will be a goal.
124yuppers 1 month ago
if you are ignoring me i dont care ! im still going to comment ! i dont back down just because i dont get a reply !
ShamuRocks50 1 month ago
god kayla just wanted to be with malia trua and nalani nothing special!!! and i only saw her bang the gate once so i rekon she didnt know it was shut and then realised!! stop being so negative
billymparker 1 month ago
umm any animal going full speed smack bang into a gate/wall is not behavior of a happy/normal/ well adjusted animal. clearly this creature is very distressed about something, my guess either its upset it's been taken away from its family as any infant would be or that bloody music is driving it literally insane, since the other orca's also seem very upset i would guess its the music since cetaceans are extremely sensitive to sound that must be torture for them.
PlumagedPower 2 months ago
@PlumagedPower Whales and dolphins are unable to hear most human voice-ranged sounds, their brains are designed to pick up much higher frequencies. This is why trainers, even when it's quite, use hand signals and whistles. I don't doubt the animals can hear the vibrations of the music, but people complaining "the music's too loud, it's hurting them" annoys me.
124yuppers 2 months ago
@PlumagedPower
Kayla wasn't going full speed directly into the gate/wall.
She was born in captivity, therefore not "taken from its family" in the wild.
It wasn't the music.
It was the two adult females being temporarily seperated from the 3 youngsters for whatever reason. They've been seperated numerous times before this with no reactions or problems, just this time something about it upset them. With orcas one moment something can be okay, but in the next moment not okay.
ICFushiPanda 1 month ago
@PlumagedPower the whale in that video was born in captivity. so she wasnt taken away from her family. they cant hear the music anyways. if they could hear it, the music wouldnt be used.
ShamuRocks50 1 month ago
@PlumagedPower Get a clue , you idiot. Kayla was born in captivity , as well as MOST of the orcas in captivity now . Know the facts before you try spreading dumb-ass slander like this . It just makes you look stupid , not that you already aren't . lol
#patheticanticaps
anythingforkalina 2 weeks ago
oh i really care. dont waste your time correcting me. by the way if you are anti cap, why did you go to sea world ? how hipocratic is that? you betray other anti caps !
ShamuRocks50 2 months ago
@ShamuRocks50 rawr, I've literally explained 500 times on this video, if you really want an answer just scroll through the comments.
124yuppers 2 months ago
Ain't clever.
ShamuRocks50 2 months ago
@ShamuRocks50 That's not a sentence.
124yuppers 2 months ago
it must of been the song , i would do the same.
wizzzzzz 2 months ago
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Ya'll calm down. kayla naturally is one of the biggest show offs ive EVER seen(: She just want everyone to notice her. SHES STUBBORN AT BEST. Leave this poor girl alone. Self harm? Why dont you give it a go? STOP. Lve you Kayla(:
BelieveLikeYourDying 2 months ago
Awwww... :(
Howrse42 2 months ago
shes probably throwing a hissy fit because she saw you in the audience !
ShamuRocks50 2 months ago 2
@ShamuRocks50 harharhar. clever.
124yuppers 2 months ago
@dolphinserenity TROOOLLLLLLLLL FAKE AND GAY!
Lisdead17 2 months ago
Its the music. Its making their brains hurt.
FirstMTwo 2 months ago
When I watch this, it makes me so sad. For a start, that music is way too loud and the sound is bouncing off of the tank walls and whales and dolphins have really sensitive hearing. This must be a nightmare for them.
beakyhope 2 months ago
@beakyhope Hahahahahaha cool story , bro . Really , you should write a novel with all this shit you seem to "know" ... Orcas. Don't. Have. Human. Hearing , you cunt . It's loud to us , but nothing for them . Their frequencies are much higher , dumbass .
anythingforkalina 2 weeks ago
@anythingforkalina Whoa there bucky, calm the frick down. If you have an actual point to make, make it, otherwise I don't need your cussing on my video.
124yuppers 2 weeks ago
@anythingforkalina Your a twat.
beakyhope 1 week ago
Okay, Im not going into an anti-cap or pro-cap but if people are anti-cap why are you going to SeaWorld?
CaptainSelenewerewol 2 months ago 2
Anyone else find the happy background music absolutely haunting, considering the hell these intelligent social animals are put through?
sixshades 2 months ago
these animals should have never been put into captivity. its disgusting what people will do to make money, even if its exploiting beautiful wild animals.
xoheartsongxo 2 months ago
Throwing a "hissy fit" and refusing to perform is one thing. This is self injury. Self injury is not normal- for humans or these animals. Having a "bad day" is okay--hitting your head against a wall purposfully inflicting harm on yourself is crossing a line. This whale's mental health should be in question. It's strange that many people here are just passing it off as a "temper tantrum." Hello? Are you awake in there?! This whale is messed up in the brain this is NOT okay- and NOT justifiable.
dolphinserenity 2 months ago 2
@dolphinserenity I think this is a little bit of an over exaggerated assumption at kindest. It's not like Kayla was cutting herself, it appeared as though she wanted to get to trua, nalani and malia, and the gates were in her way. Had she been looking for pain because she was deranged, and did this many times, you would be able to see it. Don't anthropomorphize and dramatize her actions, especially with no evidence.
124yuppers 2 months ago
@124yuppers The evidence is right in front of me. She is repeatedly ramming the gate and therefore repeatedly inflicting harm. She is hurting herself. Also, for me to say that self harm is abnormal for humans and animals is not an anthropomorphization of the animal- it is a scientific fact. Animals seek survival, and the will to live- especially as intelligent as these creatures are. It is abnormal for an animal- or human to go against that instinct and to hurt yourself instead.
dolphinserenity 2 months ago
@dolphinserenity You're very right about that I'm sorry that was kinda an auto-response I've had a lot of comments like "she's standing up for herself," on here, which are anthropomorphizing. From other videos and accounts, Kayla does not do this every day, rather this was a unique behavior in response to the "unique" situation of being separated from her pod.
124yuppers 2 months ago
@dolphinserenity I'm sure Kayla throws other hissy fits on other days for different reasons, but as from what I've heard, she's not just repeatedly banging her head against the walls so I don't think this is an example of a psychotic behavior. Also it seems more of pain as a consequence than a goal. Not that I'm arguing the whales at seaworld aren't messed up, they are- I just don't think this is an example of a whale acting on that.
124yuppers 2 months ago
@dolphinserenity wow? really.. she wants the other whale. When a dog scratches out the door to go outside,,does it mean they are mentaly messed up, when a whale see's another whale, it doesnt have claws to scratch at the gate, they use their head to hit it! Clearly it is just instinct not an emo whale.
GamerReviews4You2 2 months ago 2
Do they ever get an off day???!!!! A vacation???
carefulvengence 2 months ago
"Look at that, she's banging on the gates! That's NOT suppose to happen!"
Nooo really?
So when my daughter or son throws a hissy fit in their playpen and throws things around and slams their fists up against the sides, does that I mean I am not giving them enough attention and that I should release my children into the wilderness? Or maybe you are overreacting and everyone has a bad day... even animals.
RingneckDoveFan 3 months ago
@RingneckDoveFan Whatup ringneckdovefan, long time no comment. just ignore what I say in this video, it's kinda obnoxious. I said in the description, and in most of the comments, that I believe this is Kayla having a bad day. The problem is that, when she throws a hissy fit, like any animal or person does, in a concrete tank surrounded by humans, she can seriously harm herself, the tank and the trainers.
124yuppers 3 months ago
@RingneckDoveFan A 45lbs. child throwing himself against a plastic play pen, probably shielding himself with his hands, as most humans do, vs a 7,000 lbs animal colliding head on at 20mph into metal bars-there's a difference.
You know I'm not for releasing them into the wild. Rehabilitation/ an end to captive breeding is what I stand for.
124yuppers 3 months ago
@124yuppers
There's a difference? How?
She did not hit that gate at 20mph. More like 5. And she did not hit it head-on.
So... how did you manage to sneak into SW without paying?
RingneckDoveFan 3 months ago
@RingneckDoveFan I hope you can understand the difference between the damage a four year old can make vs. a killer whale.
She did it hit it head on at certain points, and she was going 10 mph minimum while swimming around the tanks.
I didn't I paid, it's the one and only time I've been to a seaworld park. I'm not going back, and how can I say the animals at seaworld are being mistreated when I've never even been there. That's how many pro-caps used to discredit my argument.
124yuppers 3 months ago
@124yuppers
I can run into my walls right now as fast as I can and nothing will happen. I'll be fine. Kayla was fine. Why are you talking about the damage? NO KIDDING there is more damage. We are talking 6,000lb. and 18 ft long. But was Kayla bleeding? Did the gate bust down? She was throwing a hissyfit because she wanted to see the 3 kids. Things like that happen to all living creatures, especially animals in captivity.
RingneckDoveFan 2 months ago
@RingneckDoveFan Yeah but see the difference between you and a killer whale, is she is 7,000 lbs larger, and can move at a speed four as fast. Orcas are made from the same, bones and muscle we are, perhaps more of it, but it's not like she's made from titanium. Crashing into metal bars at 20mph when you are 7,000lbs is not going to feel good. I was at a bad vantage point, she could have broken a tooth or severally bruised her melon, that stuff's hard to view up in the stadium
124yuppers 2 months ago
@RingneckDoveFan The point is, like any animal, if she throws a hissy fit now, she's probably more than likely to throw hissy fits later, and one of those times, she could severally damage herself, and the tank or trainers. During Hugo's hissy fits he didn't always cause damage, but in one bad one, he sliced off his melon and broke the glass in his tank. Keeping large, complex animals who have emotions in captivity is extremely dangerous for the animal, and the people involved.
124yuppers 2 months ago
@124yuppers
Pilot whales are large complex animals who have emotions. Where are all your undercover/free the pilot whale videos of them?
Uh, all living things have hissyfits. This time though, trainers now know to not keep them separated.
Orcas are not the only complex animals with emotions in captivity. And FYI, all animals have emotion.
RingneckDoveFan 2 months ago
@RingneckDoveFan Lawlz you do know seaworld orlando has no performing pilot whales, right? I happened to be at the right place at the right time to film this, it's not like I was searching for an animal to throw a fit. I assure you trainers still separate them, and even if they didn't, Kayla would still throw hissy fits occasionally, she's alive. Perhaps, but some animals have brains with a bigger capacities for emotion. Combine that with gigantic girth and speed
124yuppers 2 months ago
@RingneckDoveFan and stick the animal in a tank tank surrounded by concrete walls, and you have a problem. The only other animal I would say is equivalent in this situation is Elephants, which is why I believe they should only be kept in certain sanctuaries.
124yuppers 2 months ago 2
@124yuppers Seriously though. What is your point? How do you expect an animal her size to have a hissy fit? Throw a tea party on the slideout?
RingneckDoveFan 2 months ago
Tricks? Orcas jump and spin out of the water in the wild this isn't anything new to them.
KhaoticMonster16 3 months ago
@CowieMooCowxo87 I find it funny that you accuse anti caps of being over the top peta freaks. First of all, not all of us agree 100% with all that peta does. Second, whenever any of us make respectful, intelligent, common sense comments, they are completely shut off by closeminded pro caps. Just sayin. And when these WILD WHALES have a meltdown, it's because of the cruel confinement the have to endure on a daily basis. Floating in a tank PALES in comparison to swimming over 100 miles a day .
MichelleL19691 3 months ago
@MichelleL19691 Hi, I think you meant that for me. #1- I am anti-cap, the fight was not about a captive life vs. a free life, it's about whether the animal was "having a meltdown" or nobly standing up for herself in some anthropomorphic act of protest. I hate when I'm discussing with with a pro-cap and they assume I want all seaworld trainers to be eaten by whales and support peta. I don't, and comment's like cowiemoo's are why many pro-caps won't take us seriously.
124yuppers 3 months ago
@MichelleL19691 Also, the fact is that SOME orcas travel UP TO 100 miles per day during migration times on RARE occasions.In winter/ summer months, residents (who's ancestors make up a good majority of the captive population) spend their time in around the same areas. Of course it doesn't compare to a tank, but as a tip, don't over exaggerate facts in your next debate.
124yuppers 3 months ago
@MichelleL19691
So whenever complex captive animals have meltdowns, its captivity's fault, but when they have meltdowns in the wild, its normal? You do realize all living things have meltdowns right? Not everyday is going to be a beautiful day in the neighborhood.
RingneckDoveFan 3 months ago
worlds worst music id be driven crazy hearing that everyday. surley you don't need the music no wonder they get pi**ed off
starletgt85 3 months ago
There's no hope for you Kayla, you're imprisoned. There is no getting out. :(
dolphinserenity 3 months ago
"throws a hissy fit"? this beautiful creature is being imprisoned and mentally tortured for disgusting human's entertainment, this is NOT a fucking "hissy fit", it's a psychotic break. can't wait until more stupid humans get fucking killed at sea world.
CowieMooCowxo87 3 months ago
@CowieMooCowxo87 What an insane, psychopathic comment, you're the reason anti-caps are viewed as crazy over the top peta freaks. If you want people to take you seriously, write intelligent, polite comments to get your view across. Until then, please stop trolling, you're giving anti-caps like me a bad name.
124yuppers 3 months ago
@124yuppers I'm not anti-captivity, I'm anti-seaworld/anti animal entertainment. I have every right to be pissed off when somebody describes a clearly frustrated animal as "having a hissy fit" when it can't take the abuse anymore.
CowieMooCowxo87 3 months ago
@CowieMooCowxo87 anti-seaworld/ anti- circus is basically anti-captivity. It's not like she was defying the trainers, or "standing up," for herself or whatever, she was frustrated and displayed this by acting out, much like an angry child. The problem in this is when you keep such large, complex animals in little boxes, when they throw hissy fits they can hurt others and themselves.
124yuppers 3 months ago
@124yuppers well I'm not anti captivity if it's a good place and the animals are happy and NOT used for pathetic entertainment.
CowieMooCowxo87 3 months ago
@124yuppers Kayla wouldn't know how to stand up for herself against the trainers.She has been in captivity for the majority of her life which means she knows no better than do "tricks" for entertainment and money.It's sad really,she was once in this world for a purpose but now she is in the world to entertain.I'm with @CowieMooCowxo87 on this one.Putting someone in prison for nothing is torture.How about some sicko put's you into a box that is too small and then makes you perform tricks?
xxtasha10xx 3 months ago
@xxtasha10xx I mean, she's also an orca, so I don't really know what "standing up to a trainer" would look like. She has been in captivity all her life, Kayla is the calf of Keneau and Orky2, she has only ever lived in seaworld facilities. Yea-um I'm anti-cap and we weren't debating a captive life vs. a wild life, we were talking about whether or not Kayla was throwing a "hissy fit."
124yuppers 3 months ago
@124yuppers The more you visit seaworld and pay them money.The more they are going to breed them.Katina has had 7 babies.Wild Orcas usually have a couple in their lifetime.They are breeding for profit.That's all they ever want from their animals is money.I'm not saying the trainers are like that but the people that own it.They should stop breeding and be shut down.
xxtasha10xx 3 months ago
@xxtasha10xx I've only ever been to seaworld once. Wild orcas start breeding at anywhere from 7-12 years old (when they are 15-18 ft long), and calve around every 5 years for 25 years. That's around 5 calves in a lifetime.I'd like for you to note that Katina has never been artificially inseminated, she conceived those calves on her own will. I agree with you on the breeding part.
124yuppers 3 months ago
How can people honestly pay money and sit through this shit!
DoveDancing 3 months ago
"That's not supposed to happen". No, Orcas are wild animals and should live in the ocean with their pods. NO Kayly is NOT happy but the Sea World profiteers sure are!
DoveDancing 3 months ago
do the dominant whales rake their own babys ?
KingsProduction50 4 months ago
Dolphins (and by extension orcas) are even more dependent on communicating through sound than we are. Their whole foreheads and jaws are specifically designed to read and translate sound waves. Imagine all the noise from thousands of screaming people and some loud soundtrack bouncing off the walls of that pool. It must be like being trapped in a tiny bathroom all your life with constant speakers turned to maximum roaring in your face.
- While having to dance around to get your food.
Sharix90 4 months ago
@Sharix90 i've always wondered if the music bugged them a little. i thought i was the only one who thought that.
KingsProduction50 4 months ago
@KingsProduction50 my thoughts to not good for my ears and u have volume control
starletgt85 3 months ago
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@KingsProduction50 my thoughts to not good for my ears and i have volume control
starletgt85 3 months ago
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@KingsProduction50 my thoughts to not good for my ears and i have volume control
starletgt85 3 months ago
this is a bad fish they should just drain the tank and then see how smart this fish is then
locdogg18750 4 months ago
free willy jump it!!
katrasay 4 months ago
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this is so mean i hate aquariums 8( ! i cant believe this is were they have to spend the rest of their lives in that little tank never to go back to the ocean 8( i would go insane ! poor animals put on display
LitasBikinisMiami 4 months ago
I bet that high pitched singing was irritating as hell for them underwater soon as it was turned off they seem'd to calm a little..
thestiffchilli 4 months ago
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thats really sad so do you go to this sea world alot you really seem to be able to tell who each individual whale is!
EdwardandBella1718 5 months ago
thats really sad so do you go to this sea world alot you really seem to be able to tell who each individual whale is!
EdwardandBella1718 5 months ago 6
@EdwardandBella1718 No, I've only ever been to seaworld once, I could tell them apart before I went from the internet!
124yuppers 4 months ago
@124yuppers oh cool! ya I went to sealworld orlando about 8years ago I didnt get to see the actual show because we just missed it and it was really hot out so we weren't waiting around for the next show but I went in the exit as everyone was leaving just to get a glimpse of the Orcas because they are my favorite and it was sad there was only one whale in the main tank and it was up against the bars calling to the other whales and kissing one of the other whales through the bars :(
EdwardandBella1718 4 months ago
@EdwardandBella1718 What's the problem with that. The rare time I make the nine hour flight over there, I always hit SeaWorld. What's wrong with loving something so much that their images and names are imbedded in your mind? That when you can see when they are upset. That you cry when they die. What is so wrong about that?
Max1mum0R1d3 3 months ago
@Max1mum0R1d3 did i say something to upset you i honestly don't know what i commented on Its been so long since i've watched this video
EdwardandBella1718 3 months ago
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@EdwardandBella1718 Your comment 'thats really sad so do you go to this sea world alot you really seem to be able to tell who each individual whale is!'.
It did not 'upset' me. I was merely asking you a question about your comment.
Max1mum0R1d3 3 months ago
orcas like humans are entitled to having good and bad days
corvette8101 5 months ago
@corvette8101 Yea and just like humans, when you put them in a box and seperate them from their family, their bad days can be dangerous.
124yuppers 5 months ago 19
Orcas are so incredible. So smart, beautiful, and filled with a wild freedom that no human can ever take away. Just like with horses, wolves, the big cats, and all the other wild animals.
forestcatkay14 5 months ago
She's devastated by the fact that she was forced to give birth to a child that will spend its whole life in a barren tank forced to perform tricks for apes twice a day until she is dead.
scrubjay93 5 months ago
@scrubjay93 1 Mak is a boy 2 Kayla is not his mother 3 KAYLA IS CAPTIVE BORN 4 Katina is mak mom n Katina has never been aggressive 5 LEARN UR FACTS KID!
killerwhalemepstudio 4 months ago
@killerwhalemepstudio I don't care if they are captive born or not--killer whales do not belong in circuses like this. Maybe when you are an adult, you will understand. These are some of the most intelligent, social animals on the planet and humans cannot provide suitable habitat for them in captivity. The only reason to keep them in captivity is to provide entertainment for humans--to me, it's incredibly selfish and the entire enterprise is driven by profit. Sick.
scrubjay93 4 months ago
@124yuppers Honestly I'm a little confused by your statements. You say you are anti-cap and that you didn't go to Sea World to see the entertainment but to do it to see for your own eyes. However, it takes someone a very long time to learn the different markings of the whales and yet you seem to know all the names....seems kind of ironic you are anti cap when you seem to know the markings and which whale is which. Perhaps you secretly do enjoy the entertainment of it all.
illinoisgirl82 5 months ago
@illinoisgirl82 lawlz no, most whale people on youtube have never been in seaworld but can identify all the animals. There are plenty of databases (phinventory, cetaceancousins, orcahome) where you can learn the markings/ back stories/ lineage. I could identify all the whales like a year before I stepped foot in seaworld. It's not that hard. They really do look completely different, I go by their eye patches which are almost all dramatically different.
124yuppers 5 months ago
@illinoisgirl82 I completely agree with this!
Jdocent 4 months ago
@Jdocent If you read my explanation, you'd see I've only been to SW once, the markings are easy to tell apart, I learned them from the internet. I could identify all of SW's orcas like a year before I ever stepped foot in SW. I do not enjoy SW entertainment, I doubt anyone over 9 does.
124yuppers 4 months ago
its the music..
jayhem175 6 months ago
Im not twisting any fact, i'm just telling you what ive read. Plus how would you know my conclusions? This is the first time i ever spoke to you. :S I know most orcas are born in captivity and they shouldn't be released, they would die. I know that at most places they don't capture orcas anymore, but that now! Seaworld needs new breeders, tilikum is also getting old, they need new blood. So sooner or later, some new orcas will be captured again, the question is when?
GrunnLady 6 months ago
An anti-cap going to Seaworld? Isn't that breaking you PETA tree-hugger code or something?
coley4evr 6 months ago 2
@coley4evr Well aren't you the little smart alek. Let's look at what's wrong in this statement. A, I'm not involved in anyway nor do I support peta. You can be anti-cap without being apart of some extremist organizations. Some good organizations that have a case against captive cetaceans include HSUS, WSPA and born free. B, I was not going there for fun or entertainment or whatever. I went once so I could see what it was like through my own eyes, without some biased spin on it.
124yuppers 6 months ago
You people make me laugh all this BS about how, "SeaWorld abuses their animals" and how terrible it is. WHERE IS THE PROOF???? Im waiting to see some evidence of mistreatment! And then you say, "Oh it happens behind closed doors or when no one is there." Ok so they abuse their animals from 10pm to 10am? Stop telling everyone that THESE WHALES (the majority of which were born in captivity) need to go back to the wild, because that is a death sentence and you know it!
davidepugh 7 months ago
@davidepugh A No one reasonable is asking to just throw them out in the wild. We want to rehabilitate those animals who are good candidates for release. It's a very slow process, getting them use to open ocean, teaching them how to catch fish and working up their endurance. It's been done several times successfully with dolphins. The vast majority of animals will NOT be able to be released. We want to retire them to large sea pens where they can live out the rest of their days in peace.
124yuppers 7 months ago
@124yuppers....... In fact I would agree they should be much larger. And the fact of the matter is, and no one from PETA or any other animal protection group wants to admit it, these animals are living longer and longer in captivity. They fully mature adults: Katina and Corky II, that are 35 and 40+ yrs of age. And many other adult killer whales in their 20s, Again, i dont advocate captivity, I just wish people would put the facts better into context.
davidepugh 7 months ago
@davidepugh something to brag about as the AVERAGE of wild orcas is 50 years according to the NOAA and we've been capturing them since the 1960's and the animals in captivity have medical care, easy access to food and no predators. There have not been any documented attacks in the wild. There have been a few instances in which an orca has nudged someone, but never anything worse then that. I agree the facts are stretched especially in the COve
124yuppers 7 months ago
@124yuppers I dont wish to get into an argument over all this. Im just saying please be careful with how one uses their facts. Many people twist them around, insisting that all killer whales travel up to 100 miles a day and dive down 500 meters. When the facts show that only transients travel that far, and that the majority of killer whales spend their time in 60 meters of water. I have tremendous admiration for anyone who wants to preserve the life of these beautiful animals, but....
davidepugh 7 months ago
@124yuppers .... It should be done wisely.
davidepugh 7 months ago
@davidepugh The proof is in the HIGH mortality rates, especially in captive orcas. The average life span of a wild orca is 50 years with a longevity of 80-90 years for females, the average life span of a captive orca is 8 years, with a longevity of 45 years for a few captive females. The proof is in the damaged teeth of many captive whales who chew on their tanks out of stress, in the sun burned backs and premature cataracts on their eyes. These aren't noticeable to anyone who isn't looking.
124yuppers 7 months ago
@davidepugh SW doesn't whip or beat their animals, infact, they try to provide the best care they can. It just isn't enough. The 200 ft long tanks are NOTHING to the animals who travel up to 100 miles a day in the wild. The 36ft max tanks are way too shallow for animals who can dive 500 meters to find food. The tanks are incredibly barren and provide no reason for them to use their most important sense, echo-location. The dead fish they are fed provide no stimulation and dehydrate them.
124yuppers 7 months ago
@124yuppers Ok, see this is where you need to be careful, with facts. First let me say that I am not anti-cap, but nor am i for it. I am not for releasing these animals on there own, ocean pens? Maybe. But most of these killer whales captivity are resident killer whales, which do not travel up to 100 miles a day like transient killer whales. Resident killer whales also spend most of their time in shallower waters. Again, Im not saying the tanks are big enough, in fact....
davidepugh 7 months ago
@davidepugh All of SW's medical inspections are good hearted but cruel, unnecessary and painful for the animals. Look up keto's endoscopy and teeth drilling. Orcas have never attacked a person in the wild, fights between them are incredibly rare. In captivity 4 people have died and 46 people have been injured in 60 years, attacks are common between them, look up Kalina's fights, or Kandu5's death when attacking Corky2. In the end captivity just doesn't work with cetaceans.
124yuppers 7 months ago
@124yuppers Please be careful with facts. There have been many orca attacks in the wild, although no deaths, many attacks.
davidepugh 7 months ago
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@124yuppers The video of the endoscopy was incredibly disturbing to me when I saw it. It should be made into a commercial.
scrubjay93 5 months ago
@davidepugh...we take them when we fucking please...where do you think Lolita and Hugo (deceased/suicide) are from??? a nice big pod,approx 58 were taken that day...another tatic, you dont perform--you dont eat (food deprivation)...and i have witnessed that myself..for your pee-brain, let us imagine--we demand a free society--but we capture wild animals and take there freedom??? explain that asshole????
MsCargento 7 months ago
@MsCargento Again here we go with the PETA scare tactics! If they dont perform then they dont eat!!! WOW that is the biggest load of bullshit I have ever heard in my life! And you've sat in the park for days and witnessed it yourself??? Anyone with any common sense is calling you out on that!!! HA! Well then you better not have pets @ home all locked up in your house cause that would make you a hypocritical asshole! Still your solution to drop these animals in the wild will kill them!
davidepugh 7 months ago
@MsCargento Further more I never said I supported the Miami sea aquarium!! That place is a fucking joke! Further more those whales were captured in 1968 and 1970... before the capture ban in the US you fucking idiot! Like i said before we dont capture anymore dumbass!
davidepugh 7 months ago 2
@davidepugh Man, you are for real??? I said alllllll wild animals you idiot.....alll wild animals--I still see circuses, zoos, right?????...However, my prime point is HUMANS DO WHAT THEY WANT......Humans seem to think if it is free--we can take it....and make money off it... wake the fuck up already...Fuck the ban son, the damage is done...and the all the damage in this world, is caused by the hand of a HUMAN, NOT AN ANIMAL!!!
MsCargento 6 months ago
@davidepugh ever been to japan? They take like a 100 dolphins there so the aquariums can choose the nice once out of it, the rest gets killed! there are actuall footage of that. Also i read that they started capturing orca's in russia! When orca capturing was banned in 1972... I think, they went to Iceland to capture them, Dolfinarium Hardewijk got the whales, as a stop and then shipped to Seaworld later. I have a list of all the whales from there, Kenau is one of them and KanduV etc.
GrunnLady 6 months ago
@GrunnLady I don't think you've been to Japan, but I also saw "The Cove". And yes, one orca was captured by Russia, in the Kamchatka Peninsula of Russia, in 2003. The orca, a female, later died in Russia. They are the only country to break the ban aside from Japan, who has never abided by it to begin with. Again, Im not Pro-cap, i said it before in my other comments and again, stop twisting the facts to fit your forgone conclusions!
davidepugh 6 months ago
@davidepugh oh yea what about morgan??? A captured orca in the north sea, at first because she was sick now they don't want to release her. They want to sell her to loro parque probably for new breed. And as of today in japan the dolphin hunting has began, again. I'm not talking about orcas alone >.>. And on the russian site for orcas they said they are starting to capture orcas in russia, there has been a permit to hunt them, which was also seen on the site. I've also done my research.
GrunnLady 6 months ago
@GrunnLady could you please put a link for the russian site you mentioned?