I dunno what everyone is talking about. All Rae was trying to say was... he wanted to come back at it street/grimy with raw dawg beats & anthems. Rza evidently has expanded his musical tastes & the group's intensions & chemistry ain't all there anymore because of it. Best suggestion, do what M.O.P did & let Snowgoons do their beats for an album (hence Sparta) How would y'all like to record over beats you aint feeling? How u gone co-sign something you aint feeling?
this is pissing me off. i can imaging rza sitting their like "yo i got the craziest beats around right now," which they were, and the wu being like "yo god were not popular no more lets just fall back on the same shit." whats good is not always going to be mainstream wu came out in a different time were different shit was hot. yes it is the best hip hop ever but just rehashing the same shit wont produce the same results. especially when you are actually dumbing it down. rza is the hip hop king.
At the end of the day it's all about MONEY, and Raekwon is mad because RZA is getting paid doing all these movies, and Raekwon is not...Thats the main reason why Reakwon is angry, RZA is getting Millions and he is Not! i don't care what no one says he's Jealous.
thats why i went solo. ( vio demension )always wanted to be a part of the wu fam.i was hearing rumors about rza being a crook years ago.he still one of my fav.and fuck yall hatters that new reakwon album is offical.5 mics .good to see you and ghoast face fucking wit jim jones.but yo niggas can be selvish at times with thier own ideals. you cant do that when your in a group.i know i miss my crew but cant trust them....friendemys love em but love will never be my weakness .peace god .IM
Rae is right with some points about Rza and i can understand becouse as a loyal wu fan i feel the same about the new albums. Some of them sound rushed and not ready for sale while others sound alot like Rza experimenting with new sounds. Is always good to move forward and improving sounds but not every song with the same new sound throughout the album. Rza needs to tone down the experimenting and go with a polished old wu tang sound
@fpvshitsonhsv i think your wrong. art is about growth and thinking outside the box. without the rza they only make garbage. their album without the rza was garbage he acts like he knows whats up but he fights with the rza about being too forward thinking and creative(the only thing that matters in music.) Rza in retrospect was 100 percent right and rae was dead wrong. it was him who was sounding tired on 8 diamgrams the rza was on some futuristic shit.
Fucc Raekwon. RZA produced practically all of his first album. Cuban Linx would not be the classic it is if RZA didn't produce it. And if you look at it, really it was a Wu Tang album. He only had about 4 solo songs on the whole album. How many classic albums with Raekwon as producer? I rest my case. Raekwon shut the fuck up and stop bitchin. U sound like a fuckin old woman. Cryin about you don't rob your friends, don't dis your fans HYPOCRITE!!!
@elektroindi Man rza is wack right now.As far as the purple tape raekwon skills is what i was checking & hearing.Beats was dope but the real hip hop beats do not get u mic skills DID & STILL DO.............REAL HIP HOP
No u didn´t. RZA will neva be wack. Raekwon iz a chump in person and he wouldn´t give you the time of day so why vouch 4 him? Look at RZA's catalog of work and Rae's catalog. All Rae did was made it big in 09 of old glory. "Yo, i'm doin a WuTang album..., without RZA''. Lucky RZA didn't say the same about him when it came time to drop 36 chambers back in 93. But it's just like Rae to kick the people in the teeth who put him where he is today.
@SkipyOnline I hate to say it but he does, mediocore shit like that departs friendship.But I gotta admit RZA head is some where else he's experimenting too much.
"so now we stuck with this, that what you telling me?" lol, real talk, rae kills me in this interview.... but u all gotta admit, b4 diagrams we were starving 4 another wu album and this album was neither what we expected nor were we satisifed with wut we got. i WANTED to luv this album.... i tried, but in the end it was just something about it that didnt feel WU.... anyone who love WU must have felt something was off...
Damn, Rae...he sounds really hurt by this shit. I feel for him. Its fucked up that RZA is doing all this behind the scenes shit to his family...he's lost his gutta mentality; his ride or die for mi gente mentality; his "FAIR" mentality. How do you call a man your brother, but steal from him? That's bullshit.
Raekwon can bitch all he wants. If RZA came up to him and said ''jump'', Raekwon would say ''how high''. He sounds like a little girl airing his dirty laundry in public.
Their lyrics were always tights, but the beats fell off alot.....That's what they were known for. For what ever reason ghostface albums that he has put out have that old wu beat and sound. thats why he has been doing well.
Truth is 8 Diagrams wasn't the raw wu sound. Iron Flag and this were different sounds not really fitting them. Iron Flag was still very good. But 8 just sounds adjusted to today's average hip hop. I know most wasn't really feeling that album. It's average because the sound is not really them. I mean, a beatles cover? They can do better. I hope, they focus one more time together to bring another classic next time. Plus you can never let money fuc up your relations. We know the evil money can do.
theres nothing wrong with beatles cover, look at when they covered tears on 36 chambers ... no one complained.. if they brought out tears now instead of back then i bet u would say the same thing..... it's only because hip hop is so far commercial now, but you cant say doing a beatles cover is not them. if there were more snap ya head type trax the beatles cover would have got a pardon,
Raekwon is right.. "so now it's up to the labels to dictate our music?" Go back to old interviews when ODB was around and when everybody was together. They all had it in their right minds that if we can keep the nucleus of our members then we can dictate the game ourselves and that was the mindset of Wu back then. Now everyones doin their own thing,the labels have seized control of the game, there's no where to go for them musically. But if they were independent, guaranteed they will be back.
I hope Rza leaves that experimental stage. I thought I was the only one who thought albums mainly produced by Rza (group and solo) been week. the last one I could listen to all the way was W. The rest were below par. As a wu fan it pains me GREATLY to say but 8 Diagrams was complete trash. Man saying that hurt REAL bad. But the saddest part is its true. Come on Rza get back to that Incarcerated Scarfaces chamber. The wu sound is gritty made in the basement type shit get to that level my nigga
Bottom line...you can't trust and have faith in what you dont believe in. That album drops with all this drama behind it and the whole project is gonna suffer. Interviews, radio spots, concert energy..the whole shit. These men need to be men and just slice shit down the middle so everybody gets a piece and is happy or else they'll be more clips like these floatin around. This is what happens when you got too many hands in the cookie jar, but only one holds the lid.
RZA HAS LOST FOCUS!!! Wu-Tang is FOREVER!! The Team is first. RZA lost his way and has let the Industry fuck his head up. Wu sound is based on RAW!!! RZA is trying to make these niggas into G-UNIT!!!!
RZA was tryin the change the sound of the WU and the WU didn't want that RZA was doing what was best for the recored label than what best for the WU that why they was havin BEEF. 8 digrams could of been a bigger sucess but the BEEF got them off focus.
rza was trying to lead a bunch of wild grimy niggas to prosperity, and they was wilding and acting so hood. and he said he finally had enough of babysitting grown men. now rea done coked up his money, and he blaming rza.
its not that RZA is making bad tracks, his tracks are tight and all, its just that its not what the clan wants. You know that wu feel on alla the tracks up to 'wu tang forever' thats what the clan wants and rza's not providing.
I agree, I don't feel RZA's the problem. Rae & the rest of them need to grow up & get on some grown man ish. Rappers are suppose to evolve. It's nothing wrong with re-inventing yourself.
but then agen there aint a negotiation goin on, it looks like its RZA's way or tha clans way, tha original sound of tha clan is what they most recognized for and if u start tryna edit dat style people ain gonna be feelin it, rae made a point where he sed they needa come to a point where they all feel comfortable on how that album should be bottom line
say it aint so. But what you doing listening to a weezy album in the first place. You cant like real music like Rae and Wu and like fake shit like wayne at the same time. That's like facing north at the same time, it can't be done.
in my last comment i meant that its like facing north and south at the same time, can't be done. Can't like real shit like Wu, the roots, blackstar and like fake lame shit like weezy and soldier boy at the dame time. That defies logic. its like saying you tall and short at the same time or lying down but you standing up at the same time. CANT be both
u fucc nigga, itz real in these streetz,.....what yo young, dicc ridin, unexposed ass dont realize is that all of this rap shit is entertainment....u dont kno NONE of these niggas....
What streets are you referring to? You probably from Wyoming or something but you talking about its real in the streets. I'm from Liberty City in Miami, look it up if you want to know how real it is there, so unexposed I am not. I probably been exposed to more by age 10 then you will be in your life. But all that's besides the point. The point is can't like good music and like garbage music. YES its entertainment and to be truly entertaining it cant be weak like that south bullshit
you guys are morons sucken RZA's dick go ahead he fell off, look at his solo shit. He's to busy making film scores and shit all you backwards cats that dont know shit need to stop making the game weak. If you dont know whatsgoodthan stop runnin your mouth. Cuban Linx 2 is the new hope coming with the raw shit like back in the day. None of you started liking the Wu when you heard 8 diagrams so why you uppin that shit. RZA actin like he owns the Wu listen to Rae he fucked them over some money shit
raekwon is dumb thinking that not lettin rza produce his shit is gonna help him.. notice how his rza produced album is a fucking classic, and his non rza produced shit is mediocre... sorry but im def not with rae on this shit, rza is EVOLVING like all great minds do... raekwon is too unoriginal to lead the way rza does... and dont think im some rza dickrider, hes a mediocre actor and the whole bobby digi idea was stupid.. but cmon rza and gza are the brains, rae is just an effective tool
remember .............these niggas know alot of other REAL dope producers........imagine if niggas like pete rock and premier did that album? ............
dam sun, great minds think alike. i luv rza's history with production. but nobody's fucking with PREMIER! A PREMIER produced raekwon album would slap that nigga back into focus. pete rock would do the same thing for that nigga, CLASSIC. like i said i luv rza, but come back home. niggas have tried to branch out and do something different. just like nas, his last 2 have flopped terribly. no one wants to hear nas or rae on a pharrel or polow da don track. GET OFF THAT bullshit and come correct!
Its a late response, But i feel homie. Like why doesn't nas just make an album with Pete Rock and Premier tracks. That shit would platinum. Fuck what you heard. Hell, Nas over Kanye beats is some good as well.
Explain why? Nas had a lot of press leading up to his last album, but it didn't blow. He had it, so you have to ask yourself why. I think its because Nas has a horrible sense of music. He is Goldenchild of the boom bap era. In essence, he is the paradigm of the what boom bap was. He is still one of the best lyricist of all time, but his beats don't compliment his flow. Nas is refined version of Rakim(and thats saying alot). Nas should work with producer who compliment his style. THINK ABOUT IT
The real reason Nas didn't blow up he didn't get no radio play they didn't promote his album because of the name of his album. the only publisty he got form his album was because his album was titled N.I.G.G.E.R. Ice cube released a album in 2007 and he didn't get any promotion or radio play, but ice cube album was still hot it should of went platnium.
ryt i agree the hard music is what makes wu, wubut what you got to understand is wu tang is for the world not just for statin island brooklyn etc. rza was experimenting and tbh no one and i mean no one can fuck with the rza or disrespect his talent noone can fuck with rza producing except for a certain few but u gotta try new things man but yeah i prefer the punch on ur face songs cos thts why we love the clan :D
8 diagrams was aiight a few bangers but definately sounds like rza was back experimenting again throwing in samples he used in kill bill and what not..rae, ugod and rza need to settle differences and make that real shit or just assign production to 4th disciple, tru master, mathematics and SU-preme..WU TANG FOREVER!
not really man the wu formula is simple and a album gotta have bangers on it man. music that you can dance to. wu-bangers have your ass sweatin and so fuckin hype. the shit is just raw high energy shit. songs like proteck ya neck and wutang aint nuttin ta fuck wit. these songs made it possible for wu to market other slower more soulful tunes like hollow bones and motherless child. this is what wu fans want, high energy flame spit bangerz.
Raekwon is a great artist as well as every 1 in Wu-Tang and RZA is a great producers. For those who don't know Wu isn't against RZA is just they feel as though RZA wasn't giving them their cut. I personally don't think RZA would leave them assed out because they all helped each other. Like a big group its a lot of dysfunction with the unity. Wu just hasn't settled 4 real. As far the last album no one's fooled it's not the Wu-Tang Clan everybody is use to. Hopefully things will piece together.
its obvious what raek is sayin is true. rza 4got about the clan and how they go hard plus he 4got about the die hard, now definitely dead wu following. we appreciated wutang for makin punch u in the face music. now here come rza w/ this weeks ass gently weeps bullshit. the to follow it up w/ u cant stop me now which is a little better but still tired, thas some bullshit. wu bangerz thumped at 102-106 beats per minute , now rza wanna bore u 2 death.
saying 8 diagrams is good is really you guys just wanting so bad for a good album you are lying to yourself. 8 diagrams has 2 good tracks on it and one is the intro and its because i meth. im am one of the biggest wu fans in the world, i have chilled big with justice, ghost and trife smoked with them and talked real talk with them. so im not some average wu fan. but this aint them no more. in fact instead of coming with this just retire because hip hop is now done. its sad.
thank you. this is not wutang. wu is proteck ya neck. bring the ruckus and nutttin ta fuck wit.extremely rowdy & energetic "fight club" music.diagrams is lame.rza's a great producer but these beats dont bang or shine. when djs bang wu anthems in clubs, niggaz go apeshit.
this gently weeps bs had me cryin wtf.
rza can do a hellofa lot better.if this was a real wu album the buzz wouldve swept the globe,instead of a distant of a whisper of a lame duck.i wanted diagrams to re-establish WTC glory.
8 Diagram is good its sounds different but good...come on RZA is voted the 4th best hip hop producer of all time! RZA produce his classic album cuban linx! go see what RZA has to say about this he is more respectful with his words...if u want to hear the old WU then go listen to the 36 chamber...i'm glad the 8 Diagram sounds different....come on WU-TANG FOREVER WE NEED U GUYS TO STAY TOGETHER FOR YOUR FANS AND HIP HOP DON'T FIGHT OVER A LIL BIT OF MONEY! GO BUY THE ALBUM DO NOT STEAL FROM THEM
co-sign. 4th disciple, true master and dj muggs coulda produced it. they fucked around till the last minute. rza shoulda been bangin out kung-fu/blaxploitation bangerz the whole time.i love e badu but they dint need her.
wheres the vari-pitch sampling, the pianos.
the suspenseful soundtrack baselines and orchestra hits? no sir, this is not wu-tang.
who the fuck returns after 5-or 6 years with a new lame ass sound? raek once said "we in it 4 da GUSTO & we gon keep it RAW! bobdigi 4got bout dat
Respect you totally man. Tell the fucking truth. That album wasnt wu at all. At all. Its sad. Bought big doe and Diagrams. Wtf? Been a fan since day one. Tell the truth rae.
the album wasn't that bad as people and rae hyped it up to be. some tracks are great like rae's verse on "my heart gently weeps". any how if Rae isn't happy than why the hell lis touring w/ the Wu. guess he's broke and needs to bank of the old classic sounds that RZA produced and made Rae shine. have we forgot about true comradery and fraternity amongst brothers. guess so. I totally agree w/ RZA. The direction is too common,drugs,crack,money etc. that shit is old. we need enlightnment in rap.
I don't whats good with rza, but as soon as Shaolin vs. Wu-tang comes out, im buying it. I have a feeling this next album will be another milestone of the Wu. It will definately get rza's attention.
Yo Im from Cali I bought the purple tape ya feel me Rza was at his dope'st then however I knew back then that Rza brain works sorta like Prince what Im saying is the beats he was coming up wit then were decades before their time his creative juices were just over flowing and he was and still is highly experimental Dont get me wrong Im not saying the rest of the guys should have to suffer in the process RZA needs to get his 1990s mojo back as for Rae he needs to drop purple tape 2 and stop bs
i feel raekwon on this, its wu-tang, not rza and the wu-tang. sud be a group decision about everythin they do. rza might be the abbot but it aint no temple with jus one disciple.
I went out and actually bought the last album and the beats im not feeling word up..Its a few bangaz on there like camp fire, gun'll go, and a few others. I wanted a meth anthem a RaGu showdown, Something
money will be always a factor on everything..the music business is like the drug game..rae..had a big point...from what he was talking about..everybody was on the same page and everybody questioned the rzaa..somethings not right there..watch it again..and tell me what you think..if you real nigga son you know what rae's talking about.
Fuck that listen to Rae if Rza aint on the old wu vibe and he using guitars and shit and the whole wu is against the beats listen to ya Fam before jeapordize ya respect I hope wu listening get back on that kung fu shit take it back and start rollin on these wack bitch candy rapper fags RZA listen to ya fam and fans fuck that hippy shit I aint feeling dat and make a ghost dog two and whatevr drugs was new 2 u after ODB first album stop it it's fuckin wid ya judgement.
what the fuck is going on with these niggaz? Rae the album was for ODB ya dumb ass what the fuck are you talking about money all time? The album was hot I coped that straight out my money see it after you got money fucking bum, thats how niggaz are getting ready money money money thats all you fucking about, RZA lost his mom and you all lost ODB so what the heel is wrong with, thats foul how your talking about your brother like that, your losing creid with that shit 8 Dirgrames was hot RIP ODB
They can't make an album without RZA man. I understand that RZA went in an unusual direction with the productions, but you can't miss out a dude and still call it Wu [minus ODB R.I.P]. Wu without RZA is like Wu without Meth, Wu without Ghostface etc. Riz Just has to chill with the commersh hooks/guitar etc and tap into that hardcore sample chopper that we all love.
rza seems to never be raw again, I mean - if he wont provide that much needed sound again he made on GFKs "Run" and "Careful", I say fuck that, then paths differ
he's is worried about validity and credibility and hes crying on the shoulders of some "yes-man" sycophantic, scoop scheming broad?!?
he's sitting there talking about making punch you in the face albums to this bitch?!?!?!?!
the bane of the black man has always been his susceptibility to be led astray but his own inability to keep his motherfucking mouth shut and doing what needs to be done.
what the fuck are you talking about? shes asking him questions, and he's answering. he's not selling crack. "the bane of the black man," what a fuckin moron...
she's asking questions? really? and you deduced this from what? your masters degree in journalism?
all i'm saying is that there is shit said in interviews and shit that should be settled in quiet.
Since hearing 8 Diagrams, I've reassessed think this may have been "beef" concocted to promote record sales...It may sound crazy,for Wu, but here he's talking about not being happy with the "guitar,hippy" shit, but "my guitar" with him on it is one of the best tracks on the album. so fuck off,dick.
ok yeah youre right he just pulls out all these answers out of his fuckin ass without any sort of prompt. hes obviously not happy with a lot of shit and the reason most of the members in the Wu (not just raekwon) are starting to let people know why they arent clickin like they used to is because thats been happening since the beginning. its not cuz he's a fuckin baby and theres something genetically wrong with black people. youre just an ignorant racist fuckin hick.
I am a racist, I am ignorant but I aint no fuckin' hick...wait...yes I am.
Reread my comment. I never said there is anything "genetically" wrong with US Black folk, I'm saying that more often than not, pussy, money, or sometimes just to get attention, Blackmen say shit when we should have been quiet.
Remember Kobe ratting on Shaq?
or the Michael Jackson interview?
Bill Cosby?
ok MJ aint a good example, but I'm trying to make a point. shit is strained with the Wu, but Raek should remember.
Wutang fan base is in asia. ALL of wu is complaining. They have BEEN complaining for years you just never heard about it. Its finally coming out..and contraversy sells millions. ODB said on tape maybe if I die we would all come together again.
To survive in the industry, you gotta change with the Times. Not compromise with the status quo, but influence the next generation by incorporating your signature into the Modern stuff that this generation is tuned into. They needed to re-introduce the Wu, and I feel that Rza was doing that w/ 8 Diagrams. The guitar shit sounded beast on Ghost's last couple of albums, but then again: that was on Def Jam, who's famous for putting rock elements in rap (e.g. Run DMC, Beastie Boys).
the only thing fucking up wu creativity is this bullshit bickering that wu is bringing to the abbott put ghostface behind a machine and see what kind of wack ass beats he makes raekwon wouldn't be shit
Wu needs better beats. Rza was hot back in the days but his sounds just got outta touch. it don't make your head nod. Wu album would of made numbers if they had a better production word life.
Give 8 Diagrams a chance and it grows on you. Nothing can match Forever. Also, don't forget, ODB (RIP) brought a uniquness to Wu that can't be replaced.
People have to face the fact that Wu ain't goin to release another '36 chambers' or 'Forever' album. Thats like telling Martin scorsese to put out another 'Goodfellas' everytime he releases a movie.
Fuck it Im going to say this Rza hasnt put out out dope shit since only buil 4, ironman, liquid swords,. Dont get me wrong Chef needs to make sure his beat selections is on point cause he aint had a dope albulm since 95 and that was with him and Tony, ya feel me! And would some one explain why in the fuck Rae decides to record Cuban linx 2 on Aftermath!? And what the fuck I hear bout Tony not co staring on this, but replaced by Gza. Gza is more cerebral.
And I wanna hear what THAT gonna sound like. They still got Math, 4th Disciple, True Master, Bronze Naz, etc. who could make it sound like how he feels he wanted it to sound...and it might even go harder.
definitly tru master.that dude is a horn sampling beast from the 70's.4th and math - fugedaboutid! all i got to say is when i buy that album and i scratch it up from playin it so much, i want a free won! peace god! #7 allday.
ghost and raekwon have just let money and fame get to their heads. why would anyone come out and publicly discredit an album they worked on?? it is just stupid. should've been sorted out in house.
I just dont understand why he would say he non co-signin this album and when I hear it he's on 90%-99% of the tracks. But I did listen to it and I see what he's saying....it's not weak to me it just has alot of signing on hooks, but its not like they went out & got R. Kelly & Maria. It's still funky music. Better than anything else commercialwise.
yessssssss! chief where you been.god bless you - ooops i me. i'LL bless you thanx for seeing the knowledge.
"I'm sitting in the window of the grand ol earth, the youths thirst for knowledge.I teach but i hold heat,cause some savage niggas is lost beyong reach" M.K.
the lyrics and veruses will always be golden for wu tang but when you start fucking with hooks and beats.. new styles arent always good wu tang was fine before...
I wouldn't say "wack" now. The W was wack productionwise. Immoilarity was WACK. UGod Redemption was wack. The Pillage was semi-wack. But still better than alota shit. They just coulda done better.
i love rae's verses, but he is an idiot. 8 diagrams was pretty awesome, maybe not as good as Forever or 36 Chambers but certainly something to be proud of especially since the members of wu-tang are almost 40. I just saw wu-tang last night minus method-man and rza. they were nothing without meth and RZA, it was a little disappointin
The Shaolin Vs. Wu-Tang album sounds like a good concept. I'm looking forward to hearing that album if it comes out. This will be a HUGE shock to the game right here.
Wu Tang vs Shoalin does sound crazy but everyone minus the RZA. I dont know about that, if you look at the past all the successful Wu tang albums were produced by the RZA. 36th Chamber, Forever. And even Ghostface's, Rae's, and Method Man's solo albums that hit the biggest Ironman, Only Built for Cuban Linx, Tical were all done by the RZA. But we'll see what happens. PEACE
I agree wit Rae, 8 Diagrams was mad weak and fans are delusional if they think its classic. Listen to 36 Chambers and Forever, and the classic solos. It does not compare at all, RZA is trippin hard these days. His beats was weak on that album, I hope Rae does put out that Shaolin Vs. Wu-Tang....cuz it might be the classic Wu fans finally been waitin for.
1st I love Wu, been to mad concerts, I had Raes 1st album on tape and CD. Raekwon u need to shut the fuck up, I love u but u aint mad shit hot since Cuban Linx. Immobalarity was soooo wack. As far as the money why the fuck u crying about in public. If it was me I would be at Rza myself in private
Money and fame destroys music. that's why I hate it when people start saying about a new artist :"he should be famous!" at every fucking video..
get the fucking fuck outta here.
By the way, this is kinda gay, cause If you have a problem with someone, you talk to the man himself, not via a interview and shit.
charlyblues 2 days ago
I dunno what everyone is talking about. All Rae was trying to say was... he wanted to come back at it street/grimy with raw dawg beats & anthems. Rza evidently has expanded his musical tastes & the group's intensions & chemistry ain't all there anymore because of it. Best suggestion, do what M.O.P did & let Snowgoons do their beats for an album (hence Sparta) How would y'all like to record over beats you aint feeling? How u gone co-sign something you aint feeling?
LoKiThAtriCKstA 2 days ago
damn, 8 diagrams came out, so is they gon do another joint without the abbot?
that's heartbreaking...and IF SO..who's gon produce it? Wu Elements?
yungstunnaandjetfly 6 months ago
this is pissing me off. i can imaging rza sitting their like "yo i got the craziest beats around right now," which they were, and the wu being like "yo god were not popular no more lets just fall back on the same shit." whats good is not always going to be mainstream wu came out in a different time were different shit was hot. yes it is the best hip hop ever but just rehashing the same shit wont produce the same results. especially when you are actually dumbing it down. rza is the hip hop king.
edcerc 6 months ago
At the end of the day it's all about MONEY, and Raekwon is mad because RZA is getting paid doing all these movies, and Raekwon is not...Thats the main reason why Reakwon is angry, RZA is getting Millions and he is Not! i don't care what no one says he's Jealous.
rdcvgr 7 months ago
thats why i went solo. ( vio demension )always wanted to be a part of the wu fam.i was hearing rumors about rza being a crook years ago.he still one of my fav.and fuck yall hatters that new reakwon album is offical.5 mics .good to see you and ghoast face fucking wit jim jones.but yo niggas can be selvish at times with thier own ideals. you cant do that when your in a group.i know i miss my crew but cant trust them....friendemys love em but love will never be my weakness .peace god .IM
THEBLACKROYAL007 8 months ago
"but the labels said this" to think someone as articulate and visionary as RZA could succumb to the ideals of a soul destroying corproation, *sigh*
BeenaBee 8 months ago
Rae is right with some points about Rza and i can understand becouse as a loyal wu fan i feel the same about the new albums. Some of them sound rushed and not ready for sale while others sound alot like Rza experimenting with new sounds. Is always good to move forward and improving sounds but not every song with the same new sound throughout the album. Rza needs to tone down the experimenting and go with a polished old wu tang sound
fpvshitsonhsv 9 months ago
@fpvshitsonhsv i think your wrong. art is about growth and thinking outside the box. without the rza they only make garbage. their album without the rza was garbage he acts like he knows whats up but he fights with the rza about being too forward thinking and creative(the only thing that matters in music.) Rza in retrospect was 100 percent right and rae was dead wrong. it was him who was sounding tired on 8 diamgrams the rza was on some futuristic shit.
edcerc 6 months ago
He also has a big belly
mike2k28 9 months ago
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elektroindi 1 year ago
im from farrock n all that shit is bs yall open the gate for rap yal need to fix it n go back to that old wutang fam yal used to bee ya dig
thenewstreetmoney 1 year ago
Fucc Raekwon. RZA produced practically all of his first album. Cuban Linx would not be the classic it is if RZA didn't produce it. And if you look at it, really it was a Wu Tang album. He only had about 4 solo songs on the whole album. How many classic albums with Raekwon as producer? I rest my case. Raekwon shut the fuck up and stop bitchin. U sound like a fuckin old woman. Cryin about you don't rob your friends, don't dis your fans HYPOCRITE!!!
elektroindi 1 year ago
@elektroindi Man rza is wack right now.As far as the purple tape raekwon skills is what i was checking & hearing.Beats was dope but the real hip hop beats do not get u mic skills DID & STILL DO.............REAL HIP HOP
cundaliniblack 9 months ago
No u didn´t. RZA will neva be wack. Raekwon iz a chump in person and he wouldn´t give you the time of day so why vouch 4 him? Look at RZA's catalog of work and Rae's catalog. All Rae did was made it big in 09 of old glory. "Yo, i'm doin a WuTang album..., without RZA''. Lucky RZA didn't say the same about him when it came time to drop 36 chambers back in 93. But it's just like Rae to kick the people in the teeth who put him where he is today.
elektroindi 9 months ago
The album he's talking about without RZA turned into a Rae solo ("Shaolin vs. Wu-Tang) that's coming out on 3/8/11.
pierzy11 1 year ago
Rza sound like a shady ass dude
SkipyOnline 1 year ago
@SkipyOnline I hate to say it but he does, mediocore shit like that departs friendship.But I gotta admit RZA head is some where else he's experimenting too much.
johnnycage435 11 months ago
@johnnycage435 RZA has a VERY BIG EGO
mrpapafunky7879 11 months ago
A Raekwon-DJ Premier collabo would kick ass!!
UPTVdotcom 1 year ago 2
"so now we stuck with this, that what you telling me?" lol, real talk, rae kills me in this interview.... but u all gotta admit, b4 diagrams we were starving 4 another wu album and this album was neither what we expected nor were we satisifed with wut we got. i WANTED to luv this album.... i tried, but in the end it was just something about it that didnt feel WU.... anyone who love WU must have felt something was off...
spanishsupafly 1 year ago
what album is he talking about? (the one he's not satisfied with)
WHOOOPWHOOOOP 1 year ago
@WHOOOPWHOOOOP 8 diagrams
thehiphophead1994 1 year ago
I THINK RZA WAS STEALING WU TANG CLAN MONEY....SOMEBODY ONCE TOLD ME....IF EVERYBODY SAYING THE SAMETHING ABOUT U.....IT MUST BE TRUE
gbreppin 1 year ago
business always fucks up creativity......and great groups like wu tang clan
gbreppin 1 year ago
Damn, Rae...he sounds really hurt by this shit. I feel for him. Its fucked up that RZA is doing all this behind the scenes shit to his family...he's lost his gutta mentality; his ride or die for mi gente mentality; his "FAIR" mentality. How do you call a man your brother, but steal from him? That's bullshit.
It's gonna get better Rae..and to the whole Wu!
sygmatik 1 year ago
Raekwon can bitch all he wants. If RZA came up to him and said ''jump'', Raekwon would say ''how high''. He sounds like a little girl airing his dirty laundry in public.
elektroindi 1 year ago
Their lyrics were always tights, but the beats fell off alot.....That's what they were known for. For what ever reason ghostface albums that he has put out have that old wu beat and sound. thats why he has been doing well.
Devestato72 1 year ago
Iron Flag was shit am sry the beats was wack 8 diagrams was wack too it had 3 good songs on it
lamont20 1 year ago
@lamont20 lemme guess.... campfire... rushing elephants... and wolves?
spanishsupafly 1 year ago
@spanishsupafly yep lol but still wu tang 4ever
MaGicXBeatS 1 year ago
@MaGicXBeatS of course, wu 4ever.. and ever. but honestly the wu emcees saved this album 4 rza...
spanishsupafly 1 year ago
Truth is 8 Diagrams wasn't the raw wu sound. Iron Flag and this were different sounds not really fitting them. Iron Flag was still very good. But 8 just sounds adjusted to today's average hip hop. I know most wasn't really feeling that album. It's average because the sound is not really them. I mean, a beatles cover? They can do better. I hope, they focus one more time together to bring another classic next time. Plus you can never let money fuc up your relations. We know the evil money can do.
royalsteven 2 years ago
theres nothing wrong with beatles cover, look at when they covered tears on 36 chambers ... no one complained.. if they brought out tears now instead of back then i bet u would say the same thing..... it's only because hip hop is so far commercial now, but you cant say doing a beatles cover is not them. if there were more snap ya head type trax the beatles cover would have got a pardon,
teradac2 2 years ago
8 diagrams werent average it was quite deep, again we are in a commercial state with hip hop,
teradac2 2 years ago
Cuban links2 don't even float maybe rza could have brought some buoyancy to the project
forestpark1 2 years ago
thats the most retarded comment if seen on this page!!!! 8 diagrams wont shit, but cuban linx 2 was the best album out in 5 years
JigGenius757 1 year ago
this man needs a cookie
whales 2 years ago 2
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cuban links 2 was a flop maybe more rza production could have spiced it up
forestpark1 2 years ago
Raekwon is right.. "so now it's up to the labels to dictate our music?" Go back to old interviews when ODB was around and when everybody was together. They all had it in their right minds that if we can keep the nucleus of our members then we can dictate the game ourselves and that was the mindset of Wu back then. Now everyones doin their own thing,the labels have seized control of the game, there's no where to go for them musically. But if they were independent, guaranteed they will be back.
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im a keep it real rae's rhymes fell off after wutang forever
sodapop90210 2 years ago
Real Talk, im glad that u not on the ba wagon, but he did good on this obc2
teradac2 2 years ago
Rza need to just stick to his roots wit that classic wu sound and let that be it
Milkdaddy81 2 years ago
I hope Rza leaves that experimental stage. I thought I was the only one who thought albums mainly produced by Rza (group and solo) been week. the last one I could listen to all the way was W. The rest were below par. As a wu fan it pains me GREATLY to say but 8 Diagrams was complete trash. Man saying that hurt REAL bad. But the saddest part is its true. Come on Rza get back to that Incarcerated Scarfaces chamber. The wu sound is gritty made in the basement type shit get to that level my nigga
tical2399 2 years ago 3
you right!!
AgalaGogh 2 years ago
i agree rza's production has change a bit from that gritty sound, but 8 diagrams was excellent to me. beautiful production.
jlamar2 2 years ago
Shaolin VS. Wu Tang!!!!
MegaGolgo13 2 years ago
Bottom line...you can't trust and have faith in what you dont believe in. That album drops with all this drama behind it and the whole project is gonna suffer. Interviews, radio spots, concert energy..the whole shit. These men need to be men and just slice shit down the middle so everybody gets a piece and is happy or else they'll be more clips like these floatin around. This is what happens when you got too many hands in the cookie jar, but only one holds the lid.
Seethroo 2 years ago
RZA HAS LOST FOCUS!!! Wu-Tang is FOREVER!! The Team is first. RZA lost his way and has let the Industry fuck his head up. Wu sound is based on RAW!!! RZA is trying to make these niggas into G-UNIT!!!!
MegaGolgo13 2 years ago
I dissagree homeboy...it all sounds like creative differences, that I'm sure they will work out...WU TANG FOREVER!!
wil1018 2 years ago
RZA was tryin the change the sound of the WU and the WU didn't want that RZA was doing what was best for the recored label than what best for the WU that why they was havin BEEF. 8 digrams could of been a bigger sucess but the BEEF got them off focus.
sespaillat 2 years ago
I hope they fixed the whole thing!!
theworldearth 2 years ago 6
rza was trying to lead a bunch of wild grimy niggas to prosperity, and they was wilding and acting so hood. and he said he finally had enough of babysitting grown men. now rea done coked up his money, and he blaming rza.
NICCAGE26 2 years ago 3
thats real
RexGdubb 2 years ago
its not that RZA is making bad tracks, his tracks are tight and all, its just that its not what the clan wants. You know that wu feel on alla the tracks up to 'wu tang forever' thats what the clan wants and rza's not providing.
1licketysplit1 2 years ago
I agree, I don't feel RZA's the problem. Rae & the rest of them need to grow up & get on some grown man ish. Rappers are suppose to evolve. It's nothing wrong with re-inventing yourself.
CMyOnes 2 years ago 2
but then agen there aint a negotiation goin on, it looks like its RZA's way or tha clans way, tha original sound of tha clan is what they most recognized for and if u start tryna edit dat style people ain gonna be feelin it, rae made a point where he sed they needa come to a point where they all feel comfortable on how that album should be bottom line
AllMotorEG9 2 years ago
nah Rza was making some wack shit tryna be diff, and what Wu was tryna do was go back to the grimey
BrAnDoN919 2 years ago 4
i recently heard this beef is over and their releasing chamber music and ob4cl2 has rza production
jeffblacc 2 years ago
rae is on the weezy album. what the fuck is that shit.
densejuan 2 years ago 4
for real?!?! YO FUCK LIL WENDY!! HE FUCKIN HIPHOP UP!
itz1ShadyLane 2 years ago 3
say it aint so. But what you doing listening to a weezy album in the first place. You cant like real music like Rae and Wu and like fake shit like wayne at the same time. That's like facing north at the same time, it can't be done.
tical2399 2 years ago
in my last comment i meant that its like facing north and south at the same time, can't be done. Can't like real shit like Wu, the roots, blackstar and like fake lame shit like weezy and soldier boy at the dame time. That defies logic. its like saying you tall and short at the same time or lying down but you standing up at the same time. CANT be both
tical2399 2 years ago
tical....shut tha fuck up. nigga u can like what u like.....u fake ass keepin it real niggas take this rap shit 2 serious.
8711abcdefg 2 years ago
And you corny "let's get crunk "listenin to "hip- pop" don't take it seriously enough.
tical2399 2 years ago
u fucc nigga, itz real in these streetz,.....what yo young, dicc ridin, unexposed ass dont realize is that all of this rap shit is entertainment....u dont kno NONE of these niggas....
8711abcdefg 2 years ago
What streets are you referring to? You probably from Wyoming or something but you talking about its real in the streets. I'm from Liberty City in Miami, look it up if you want to know how real it is there, so unexposed I am not. I probably been exposed to more by age 10 then you will be in your life. But all that's besides the point. The point is can't like good music and like garbage music. YES its entertainment and to be truly entertaining it cant be weak like that south bullshit
tical2399 2 years ago
3-0-5 all day homie!!!!
overtown,liberty city,opa locka(the tri-angle)
alapatta,wyn wood,carol-city,perine,homestead,n.m.b
lil hati,lil havana
1 luv
mnlkthms 2 years ago
you guys are morons sucken RZA's dick go ahead he fell off, look at his solo shit. He's to busy making film scores and shit all you backwards cats that dont know shit need to stop making the game weak. If you dont know whatsgoodthan stop runnin your mouth. Cuban Linx 2 is the new hope coming with the raw shit like back in the day. None of you started liking the Wu when you heard 8 diagrams so why you uppin that shit. RZA actin like he owns the Wu listen to Rae he fucked them over some money shit
Dvisionz13 2 years ago 3
damnn minus RZA!?
that be sorta crazy,but i have a feeling if its without RZA, it be mainstream radio sound,but thats what i think
NewMutant 2 years ago
yeah i guess thats true, but its unlikely it will work out that way
BringTheRiot 2 years ago
raekwon is dumb thinking that not lettin rza produce his shit is gonna help him.. notice how his rza produced album is a fucking classic, and his non rza produced shit is mediocre... sorry but im def not with rae on this shit, rza is EVOLVING like all great minds do... raekwon is too unoriginal to lead the way rza does... and dont think im some rza dickrider, hes a mediocre actor and the whole bobby digi idea was stupid.. but cmon rza and gza are the brains, rae is just an effective tool
BringTheRiot 2 years ago 3
remember .............these niggas know alot of other REAL dope producers........imagine if niggas like pete rock and premier did that album? ............
XXAK57XX 2 years ago 2
Think more like 4th disciple , True Master, Mathematics kinda guys!
LazyRay86 2 years ago 3
dam sun, great minds think alike. i luv rza's history with production. but nobody's fucking with PREMIER! A PREMIER produced raekwon album would slap that nigga back into focus. pete rock would do the same thing for that nigga, CLASSIC. like i said i luv rza, but come back home. niggas have tried to branch out and do something different. just like nas, his last 2 have flopped terribly. no one wants to hear nas or rae on a pharrel or polow da don track. GET OFF THAT bullshit and come correct!
godzman7 2 years ago 3
Its a late response, But i feel homie. Like why doesn't nas just make an album with Pete Rock and Premier tracks. That shit would platinum. Fuck what you heard. Hell, Nas over Kanye beats is some good as well.
brothermrn 2 years ago
No it won't go platinum.
YungSunny 2 years ago
Explain why? Nas had a lot of press leading up to his last album, but it didn't blow. He had it, so you have to ask yourself why. I think its because Nas has a horrible sense of music. He is Goldenchild of the boom bap era. In essence, he is the paradigm of the what boom bap was. He is still one of the best lyricist of all time, but his beats don't compliment his flow. Nas is refined version of Rakim(and thats saying alot). Nas should work with producer who compliment his style. THINK ABOUT IT
brothermrn 2 years ago 3
The real reason Nas didn't blow up he didn't get no radio play they didn't promote his album because of the name of his album. the only publisty he got form his album was because his album was titled N.I.G.G.E.R. Ice cube released a album in 2007 and he didn't get any promotion or radio play, but ice cube album was still hot it should of went platnium.
sespaillat 2 years ago
so when is shaolin vs wu-tang gona come out ??
theHipHopHead 2 years ago
I feel him BUTTTTTTTT how the streets been waitin' on PurpleTape2!!!!!! Thats whats up,CubanLinksII
KayPfromthaD 3 years ago
This interview gives me some hope for a return to the old for the Wu. I pray that Rae is right about them returning to the old, forreal. R.I.P ODB
Johnoid 3 years ago 4
i also hope this and i hope rae and rza make up and destroy that beef and bring it back like 36 chambers
jeffblacc 2 years ago
ryt i agree the hard music is what makes wu, wubut what you got to understand is wu tang is for the world not just for statin island brooklyn etc. rza was experimenting and tbh no one and i mean no one can fuck with the rza or disrespect his talent noone can fuck with rza producing except for a certain few but u gotta try new things man but yeah i prefer the punch on ur face songs cos thts why we love the clan :D
peace
darrenjohnfrew 3 years ago 2
GREATEST INTERVIEW IN HISTORY
wwwJUELZinfo 3 years ago 4
bidnez doez fugg wit creativity almozt 100
duhjuce 3 years ago
unfortunately all day everyday
H2T 3 years ago
8 diagrams was aiight a few bangers but definately sounds like rza was back experimenting again throwing in samples he used in kill bill and what not..rae, ugod and rza need to settle differences and make that real shit or just assign production to 4th disciple, tru master, mathematics and SU-preme..WU TANG FOREVER!
kanarvin 3 years ago
thats is a fukin good idea bro
4 real they shud get those producers back on it
heavilycharged 3 years ago
I think the people who are true fans have such a high standered that no matter what they put out we want more becouse its so addicting
danalzaid 3 years ago
not really man the wu formula is simple and a album gotta have bangers on it man. music that you can dance to. wu-bangers have your ass sweatin and so fuckin hype. the shit is just raw high energy shit. songs like proteck ya neck and wutang aint nuttin ta fuck wit. these songs made it possible for wu to market other slower more soulful tunes like hollow bones and motherless child. this is what wu fans want, high energy flame spit bangerz.
bigpunisherbx 3 years ago 2
Raekwon is a great artist as well as every 1 in Wu-Tang and RZA is a great producers. For those who don't know Wu isn't against RZA is just they feel as though RZA wasn't giving them their cut. I personally don't think RZA would leave them assed out because they all helped each other. Like a big group its a lot of dysfunction with the unity. Wu just hasn't settled 4 real. As far the last album no one's fooled it's not the Wu-Tang Clan everybody is use to. Hopefully things will piece together.
SickSense123 3 years ago
Wu Tang Forever!!!!
discipl 3 years ago
its obvious what raek is sayin is true. rza 4got about the clan and how they go hard plus he 4got about the die hard, now definitely dead wu following. we appreciated wutang for makin punch u in the face music. now here come rza w/ this weeks ass gently weeps bullshit. the to follow it up w/ u cant stop me now which is a little better but still tired, thas some bullshit. wu bangerz thumped at 102-106 beats per minute , now rza wanna bore u 2 death.
bigpunisherbx 3 years ago
saying 8 diagrams is good is really you guys just wanting so bad for a good album you are lying to yourself. 8 diagrams has 2 good tracks on it and one is the intro and its because i meth. im am one of the biggest wu fans in the world, i have chilled big with justice, ghost and trife smoked with them and talked real talk with them. so im not some average wu fan. but this aint them no more. in fact instead of coming with this just retire because hip hop is now done. its sad.
itachiyates 3 years ago
thank you. this is not wutang. wu is proteck ya neck. bring the ruckus and nutttin ta fuck wit.extremely rowdy & energetic "fight club" music.diagrams is lame.rza's a great producer but these beats dont bang or shine. when djs bang wu anthems in clubs, niggaz go apeshit.
this gently weeps bs had me cryin wtf.
rza can do a hellofa lot better.if this was a real wu album the buzz wouldve swept the globe,instead of a distant of a whisper of a lame duck.i wanted diagrams to re-establish WTC glory.
blaqueheartedarken 3 years ago
Raekwon needs another solo album
MikePruno15 3 years ago 6
HE NEEDS ANOTHER ONLY BUILT FOR CUBAN LIKS straight up.
sweetendsourchicken 3 years ago 4
Good point
MikePruno15 3 years ago
he supposed 2 b commin out wit built 4 cuban linx 2 idk when its supposed to come out i think next hopefully but i doubt it..its sad tho
ZoNeBx1160 3 years ago
march 2008 check thajuceradio show myspace p 1
duhjuce 3 years ago
@MikePruno15 we got what we asked for in cuban linx2 my man
Freshstyles00 1 year ago
8 Diagram is good its sounds different but good...come on RZA is voted the 4th best hip hop producer of all time! RZA produce his classic album cuban linx! go see what RZA has to say about this he is more respectful with his words...if u want to hear the old WU then go listen to the 36 chamber...i'm glad the 8 Diagram sounds different....come on WU-TANG FOREVER WE NEED U GUYS TO STAY TOGETHER FOR YOUR FANS AND HIP HOP DON'T FIGHT OVER A LIL BIT OF MONEY! GO BUY THE ALBUM DO NOT STEAL FROM THEM
Meaganmonauni 3 years ago 2
rae is real period.
itachiyates 3 years ago 4
man the new album sux!
Teeddyn 3 years ago
Get 4th disciple to produce the new album. Rza's lost his grit. Apart the song with Eyrkah Badu, the last album was poor.
frankefox7 3 years ago
co-sign. 4th disciple, true master and dj muggs coulda produced it. they fucked around till the last minute. rza shoulda been bangin out kung-fu/blaxploitation bangerz the whole time.i love e badu but they dint need her.
wheres the vari-pitch sampling, the pianos.
the suspenseful soundtrack baselines and orchestra hits? no sir, this is not wu-tang.
who the fuck returns after 5-or 6 years with a new lame ass sound? raek once said "we in it 4 da GUSTO & we gon keep it RAW! bobdigi 4got bout dat
blaqueheartedarken 3 years ago 3
Respect you totally man. Tell the fucking truth. That album wasnt wu at all. At all. Its sad. Bought big doe and Diagrams. Wtf? Been a fan since day one. Tell the truth rae.
Yazzir9 3 years ago
the album wasn't that bad as people and rae hyped it up to be. some tracks are great like rae's verse on "my heart gently weeps". any how if Rae isn't happy than why the hell lis touring w/ the Wu. guess he's broke and needs to bank of the old classic sounds that RZA produced and made Rae shine. have we forgot about true comradery and fraternity amongst brothers. guess so. I totally agree w/ RZA. The direction is too common,drugs,crack,money etc. that shit is old. we need enlightnment in rap.
LionelVA36 3 years ago
I don't whats good with rza, but as soon as Shaolin vs. Wu-tang comes out, im buying it. I have a feeling this next album will be another milestone of the Wu. It will definately get rza's attention.
ironman36 3 years ago
it aint gonna happen.
grt05 3 years ago
he´s right the album should be eternal
silvatico 3 years ago
Miss INfo bad as hell
BrAnDoN919 3 years ago
If this is what happen to wu -tang you is the finally stake in heart of hip hop this were you know now that hip is has DIED!!!!!!!
realhiphop74 3 years ago
Yo Im from Cali I bought the purple tape ya feel me Rza was at his dope'st then however I knew back then that Rza brain works sorta like Prince what Im saying is the beats he was coming up wit then were decades before their time his creative juices were just over flowing and he was and still is highly experimental Dont get me wrong Im not saying the rest of the guys should have to suffer in the process RZA needs to get his 1990s mojo back as for Rae he needs to drop purple tape 2 and stop bs
marlon96 3 years ago
i feel raekwon on this, its wu-tang, not rza and the wu-tang. sud be a group decision about everythin they do. rza might be the abbot but it aint no temple with jus one disciple.
akadapper 3 years ago 4
rza made wu-tang... how can they do a wu album without him... ungratfull!
cypherhawk407 3 years ago
Bruh Wu made wu... dude had an idea but with no team ain't no wu.
raventakayama 3 years ago
madlib should produce new wu album. you gotta agree with me
wesaismthttttdm 3 years ago
I went out and actually bought the last album and the beats im not feeling word up..Its a few bangaz on there like camp fire, gun'll go, and a few others. I wanted a meth anthem a RaGu showdown, Something
brollyknuckles 3 years ago
Me too. I was a disappointed with how the beats sound on 8 Diagrams.
16th Chamber is a beastly track, though.
2203900101 3 years ago
lol why's everyone's here arguing, its about what the music sounds like in the end, who cares about their money
invokid 3 years ago
money will be always a factor on everything..the music business is like the drug game..rae..had a big point...from what he was talking about..everybody was on the same page and everybody questioned the rzaa..somethings not right there..watch it again..and tell me what you think..if you real nigga son you know what rae's talking about.
hellset24 3 years ago
Fuck that listen to Rae if Rza aint on the old wu vibe and he using guitars and shit and the whole wu is against the beats listen to ya Fam before jeapordize ya respect I hope wu listening get back on that kung fu shit take it back and start rollin on these wack bitch candy rapper fags RZA listen to ya fam and fans fuck that hippy shit I aint feeling dat and make a ghost dog two and whatevr drugs was new 2 u after ODB first album stop it it's fuckin wid ya judgement.
IcLife 3 years ago 2
Rae & Ghost are the best mcs in the clan but i still dig that Bobby Digital
hollywoodpurplehaze 3 years ago
what the fuck is going on with these niggaz? Rae the album was for ODB ya dumb ass what the fuck are you talking about money all time? The album was hot I coped that straight out my money see it after you got money fucking bum, thats how niggaz are getting ready money money money thats all you fucking about, RZA lost his mom and you all lost ODB so what the heel is wrong with, thats foul how your talking about your brother like that, your losing creid with that shit 8 Dirgrames was hot RIP ODB
raygambeno999 3 years ago
They can't make an album without RZA man. I understand that RZA went in an unusual direction with the productions, but you can't miss out a dude and still call it Wu [minus ODB R.I.P]. Wu without RZA is like Wu without Meth, Wu without Ghostface etc. Riz Just has to chill with the commersh hooks/guitar etc and tap into that hardcore sample chopper that we all love.
kenc85 3 years ago 2
rza seems to never be raw again, I mean - if he wont provide that much needed sound again he made on GFKs "Run" and "Careful", I say fuck that, then paths differ
borchabronx 2 years ago
he better not bring that wack production that he had on criminology. they better start talkin to some producers. and i mean hollarin!
RealLifeMikeP 3 years ago
Why Raek? an interviewer?!?!
he's is worried about validity and credibility and hes crying on the shoulders of some "yes-man" sycophantic, scoop scheming broad?!?
he's sitting there talking about making punch you in the face albums to this bitch?!?!?!?!
the bane of the black man has always been his susceptibility to be led astray but his own inability to keep his motherfucking mouth shut and doing what needs to be done.
listen to the Ten crack commandments Raek.listen.
snstrmnstr 3 years ago
what the fuck are you talking about? shes asking him questions, and he's answering. he's not selling crack. "the bane of the black man," what a fuckin moron...
larrylife4life 3 years ago
she's asking questions? really? and you deduced this from what? your masters degree in journalism?
all i'm saying is that there is shit said in interviews and shit that should be settled in quiet.
Since hearing 8 Diagrams, I've reassessed think this may have been "beef" concocted to promote record sales...It may sound crazy,for Wu, but here he's talking about not being happy with the "guitar,hippy" shit, but "my guitar" with him on it is one of the best tracks on the album. so fuck off,dick.
snstrmnstr 3 years ago
ok yeah youre right he just pulls out all these answers out of his fuckin ass without any sort of prompt. hes obviously not happy with a lot of shit and the reason most of the members in the Wu (not just raekwon) are starting to let people know why they arent clickin like they used to is because thats been happening since the beginning. its not cuz he's a fuckin baby and theres something genetically wrong with black people. youre just an ignorant racist fuckin hick.
larrylife4life 3 years ago
I am a racist, I am ignorant but I aint no fuckin' hick...wait...yes I am.
Reread my comment. I never said there is anything "genetically" wrong with US Black folk, I'm saying that more often than not, pussy, money, or sometimes just to get attention, Blackmen say shit when we should have been quiet.
Remember Kobe ratting on Shaq?
or the Michael Jackson interview?
Bill Cosby?
ok MJ aint a good example, but I'm trying to make a point. shit is strained with the Wu, but Raek should remember.
snstrmnstr 3 years ago
yeah he runnin his mouth before things can change for the better. now the damage is done and hes biting the hand that feeds him.
RealLifeMikeP 3 years ago
True, true and very true.Masta Killah's verse in "wolves":
"Yo, would you recognize a jewel for what it is when you see it?
Or would you take it for somethin' else and get to' the fuck up
Men come together for the common cause,
To beat yo' ass, just because.
There's a line you don't cross offendin' the boss.
While of course his one selectin' through your head shot"
I wonder if thats towards Raek and Ghost?
snstrmnstr 3 years ago
well rae flows better than rza anyways. so !!!!!!
Mikejizzle510 3 years ago
yes.. but rza make better beats... :p
JbFix 3 years ago
Wutang fan base is in asia. ALL of wu is complaining. They have BEEN complaining for years you just never heard about it. Its finally coming out..and contraversy sells millions. ODB said on tape maybe if I die we would all come together again.
mastephens1 3 years ago
To survive in the industry, you gotta change with the Times. Not compromise with the status quo, but influence the next generation by incorporating your signature into the Modern stuff that this generation is tuned into. They needed to re-introduce the Wu, and I feel that Rza was doing that w/ 8 Diagrams. The guitar shit sounded beast on Ghost's last couple of albums, but then again: that was on Def Jam, who's famous for putting rock elements in rap (e.g. Run DMC, Beastie Boys).
fbebeats 4 years ago
8 diagrams is not good. seriously stop talking about it will grow on you.
itachiyates 4 years ago 2
the only thing fucking up wu creativity is this bullshit bickering that wu is bringing to the abbott put ghostface behind a machine and see what kind of wack ass beats he makes raekwon wouldn't be shit
timmit311 4 years ago 2
Wu needs better beats. Rza was hot back in the days but his sounds just got outta touch. it don't make your head nod. Wu album would of made numbers if they had a better production word life.
dukesara 4 years ago 2
Give 8 Diagrams a chance and it grows on you. Nothing can match Forever. Also, don't forget, ODB (RIP) brought a uniquness to Wu that can't be replaced.
4lph4num3r1sm 4 years ago
theres some whack hooks on 8 diagrams with that ol singing shit
franksenotra 4 years ago
Grown man shit!!!
akirah913 4 years ago
Tical 2 was WACK. 8D was far from wack compared to where the game is now.
oneme63 4 years ago
People have to face the fact that Wu ain't goin to release another '36 chambers' or 'Forever' album. Thats like telling Martin scorsese to put out another 'Goodfellas' everytime he releases a movie.
JAYLIB03 4 years ago
Brilliant Point JAYLIB03
jaroncreed 3 years ago
Fuck it Im going to say this Rza hasnt put out out dope shit since only buil 4, ironman, liquid swords,. Dont get me wrong Chef needs to make sure his beat selections is on point cause he aint had a dope albulm since 95 and that was with him and Tony, ya feel me! And would some one explain why in the fuck Rae decides to record Cuban linx 2 on Aftermath!? And what the fuck I hear bout Tony not co staring on this, but replaced by Gza. Gza is more cerebral.
jodeci74 4 years ago
Shaolin VS Wu Tang? I wonder if this is all planned? You never know.People will do some strange shit for the cash rule!
mikeygeneral 4 years ago
And I wanna hear what THAT gonna sound like. They still got Math, 4th Disciple, True Master, Bronze Naz, etc. who could make it sound like how he feels he wanted it to sound...and it might even go harder.
oneme63 4 years ago 2
definitly tru master.that dude is a horn sampling beast from the 70's.4th and math - fugedaboutid! all i got to say is when i buy that album and i scratch it up from playin it so much, i want a free won! peace god! #7 allday.
mikeygeneral 4 years ago
ghost and raekwon have just let money and fame get to their heads. why would anyone come out and publicly discredit an album they worked on?? it is just stupid. should've been sorted out in house.
gard55 4 years ago
i see you probably dont have the album or you dont know these guys backgrounds in music.
mikeygeneral 4 years ago
I just dont understand why he would say he non co-signin this album and when I hear it he's on 90%-99% of the tracks. But I did listen to it and I see what he's saying....it's not weak to me it just has alot of signing on hooks, but its not like they went out & got R. Kelly & Maria. It's still funky music. Better than anything else commercialwise.
oneme63 4 years ago
yessssssss! chief where you been.god bless you - ooops i me. i'LL bless you thanx for seeing the knowledge.
"I'm sitting in the window of the grand ol earth, the youths thirst for knowledge.I teach but i hold heat,cause some savage niggas is lost beyong reach" M.K.
mikeygeneral 4 years ago
if your talking about the norva they had a method man stand in i was almost fooled haha!but the show was good even without them they ripped it!
Dalton205 4 years ago
I agree the shit was whack b
gooziesoicy 4 years ago
for real dun this was the wu-tang chance to come out with some good stuff and they came out with some wack ass 8 diagrams dunny
pagola 4 years ago 2
the lyrics and veruses will always be golden for wu tang but when you start fucking with hooks and beats.. new styles arent always good wu tang was fine before...
franksenotra 4 years ago
8 diagrams is WACK
pagola 4 years ago
I wouldn't say "wack" now. The W was wack productionwise. Immoilarity was WACK. UGod Redemption was wack. The Pillage was semi-wack. But still better than alota shit. They just coulda done better.
oneme63 4 years ago
i love rae's verses, but he is an idiot. 8 diagrams was pretty awesome, maybe not as good as Forever or 36 Chambers but certainly something to be proud of especially since the members of wu-tang are almost 40. I just saw wu-tang last night minus method-man and rza. they were nothing without meth and RZA, it was a little disappointin
steven8798 4 years ago
The Shaolin Vs. Wu-Tang album sounds like a good concept. I'm looking forward to hearing that album if it comes out. This will be a HUGE shock to the game right here.
soulreap 4 years ago
I just listened 2 "thug world" on the CD & now I know what Rae's talkin' about. Sometimes less is more.
kamesan 4 years ago
cuban lynx top 5 album all-time
YouTubster1982 4 years ago 3
lmao come on fam
bigstephmac11 4 years ago
Wu Tang vs Shoalin does sound crazy but everyone minus the RZA. I dont know about that, if you look at the past all the successful Wu tang albums were produced by the RZA. 36th Chamber, Forever. And even Ghostface's, Rae's, and Method Man's solo albums that hit the biggest Ironman, Only Built for Cuban Linx, Tical were all done by the RZA. But we'll see what happens. PEACE
wacks2 4 years ago
U still have Mathematics & 4th disciple just to name a few, not 2 mention that GFK & I.N.S. have been producing too.
kamesan 4 years ago
so y are rae n ghost comin wit rawer than the wu album . rzas on some movie star shit hes sold the fuck out.
XxNaomixX86 4 years ago
Shaolin vs Wu-Tang is a brilliant concept. I always figured it should've been like that when the 1st wu tape had a "shaolin" side & a "Wu-Tang" side.
kamesan 4 years ago
I agree wit Rae, 8 Diagrams was mad weak and fans are delusional if they think its classic. Listen to 36 Chambers and Forever, and the classic solos. It does not compare at all, RZA is trippin hard these days. His beats was weak on that album, I hope Rae does put out that Shaolin Vs. Wu-Tang....cuz it might be the classic Wu fans finally been waitin for.
TheWuCepticon3 4 years ago
Time will tell that this will work itself out..brothers are forever! Just Like Wu Tang
deepru 4 years ago
1st I love Wu, been to mad concerts, I had Raes 1st album on tape and CD. Raekwon u need to shut the fuck up, I love u but u aint mad shit hot since Cuban Linx. Immobalarity was soooo wack. As far as the money why the fuck u crying about in public. If it was me I would be at Rza myself in private
milky1041 4 years ago