@WiggaMachiavelli No, they want to raid and engage in banditry. They're violent as hell, but regular orcs aren't soldiers. It's the Uruk-hai that are the super-soldiers.
And I think these orcs are rather droll than ugly. And I'm sorry for them a little bit. You can see they don't want to fight, but they are forced to. An interesting interpretation of the orcs.
No THIS didn't happen in the books. It happened more similiar to how it happened in Jacksons Film. These "humans" were supposed to be Southtrons or Eastrons who were fighting for Sauron and were also gathering in Mordor. So of course they also have to march the same ways the Orcs march.
@countryandpivot Ohhhh, I thought they were the good guys. I didn't actually watch this movie (or read the books yet) so I have no context for this song other than what I know from the Jackson films.
this is literally the song of my childhood. i wasn't whipped or anything, it's just that i got this movie when i was 8 (now i'm 19), and my siblings and i never forgot this song. we would randomly sing it so many times over these 11 years.
@hersirensong I always wondered that too. They're wearing Orcen dress, but even Orcs can't be THAT blind and stupid to not recognize their own kind from short, plump Hobbits who don't talk the way they do
@CinnabonChan Well maybe if you tried being polite and talking to them instead of being a judgmental human or elf or dwarf from outside the gates of Mordor you'd realize you have a lot more in common with them and learn to appreciate their culture as well as their singing voices.
Yes, we all have Ralph Bakshi to thank for these movies, the one song that gets stuck in my head though is The Cracks of Doom, I end up singing it with various things in the lyrics, suddenly I'm typing on The Keyboard of Doom, or having to answer The Phone of Doom, when will it all end... :D
@JustamannamedWyatt I had to check and make sure, but you're right, however, though Rankin/Bass did this one, they only did because Bakshi was going to leave the series unfinished, so we still have Bakshi to thank for it :P, good call though.
In this book, at the road meeting baraddur uruk-hai are present to bully the marching orcs, while in this film, evil men substitutes the uruk-hais in the road meeting. In my assumption probably in the book, the evil men (Easterlings, Southrons) probably camped in Udun to avoid trouble with any orc or uruk regiment so they won't wasted their men.
No they're slaves, the books pretty much say that the orcs hate Sauron above all others. Suaron doesn't use Cirith Ungol and the Black Gate to keep men out of Mordor but rather to keep the orcs in Mordor.
@mastercrowly The ones that man the gates are the trusted ones. Don't remember where I read it from, but those guys who you see in the Two Towers movie on the Black Gates are the conventional soldiers who also attacked Minas Tirith , the ones who you see in Mordor when Sam and Frodo sneaked in were the auxiliaries or reserves. Sauron ruled by fear, you saw how afraid people reacted to the Eye. Well so do the Orcs.
so just because the hobbit wore orc clothes, they all think he's an orc? wtf is that logic. if i see a black guy wearing a polo, i still can tell he's black..
ahh.. Good old LOTR!!! XD i have the human version, and i liked when Pip said, to Aaragorn, "What about sencond breakfast?" and then Merry replied. "Pip, I don't think he ever heard of second breakfast.."
I've been listening to songs from The Hobbit and Return of the King all afternoon, but I avoided this one. I knew that, once I heard it, it would be stuck in my head for days.
I feel bad i cannot compair ROTK to anything......ohhhhh the Rakan Bash version i'll just compare those 2 then. "Where there's a whip, there is a way, where there's a whip"Jackson Version! .
I used to frequently sing this song in my head at a previous job. Just substitute "work" for "war", "fight", and "march" in the song and it becomes an appropriate workplace tune if you're working for jerk slavedriving bosses.
I used to frequently sing this song in my head at a previous job. Just substitute "work" for "war" in the song and it becomes an appropriate workplace tune if you're working for jerk slavedriving bosses.
It's sort of weird that it makes the bloodthirsty orcs now look sympathetic since they openly declare they don't want to go to war, but feel as if they must. The song is actually kind of catchy. Only 1 problem. It's in a Lord of the Ring's movie. I just don't think of Orcs singing in a Lord of the Rings movie, it just doesn't sound right. The song should have been used in another movie.
Well, maybe Sauron would have won the war with singing Orcs, because the armies of Men and Elves would have laughed themselves to death ;-)
Just imagine you are a soldier of Gondor waiting in Osgiliath for Mordor's army and then these guys come along: "Where there's a whip, there's a way. Where there's a whip, there's a way." Maybe joined by the Witchking si
Orcs love Disco. I must remember this for my own fantasy world.
RoninCatholic 1 day ago
awesome
starbuckfrigon 1 day ago
Damn. Ever since seeing the makeup job on the orcs in the Peter Jackson movies, every other version of the orcs that I've seen just seems silly...
TheMightyHeptagon 4 days ago
This is inaccurate. The Orcs love to fight and kill, so they do want to go to war.
WiggaMachiavelli 6 days ago
@WiggaMachiavelli No, they want to raid and engage in banditry. They're violent as hell, but regular orcs aren't soldiers. It's the Uruk-hai that are the super-soldiers.
WatermelonRat 3 days ago
i didnt know orcs have radios to play music
jordirules123 1 week ago
Orcs play bass guitar?
Thrawn369 1 week ago
This song really is a catchy tune.
And I think these orcs are rather droll than ugly. And I'm sorry for them a little bit. You can see they don't want to fight, but they are forced to. An interesting interpretation of the orcs.
TyrsKrieger 1 week ago in playlist Favorite videos
I always thought they had two throats....that scared the shit out of me for some reason. lol
TheFrenchRev 1 week ago 2
No THIS didn't happen in the books. It happened more similiar to how it happened in Jacksons Film. These "humans" were supposed to be Southtrons or Eastrons who were fighting for Sauron and were also gathering in Mordor. So of course they also have to march the same ways the Orcs march.
AnciusDuccius 1 week ago
wait, I thought orcs were much larger!
Left2die3199 2 weeks ago
very catchy! lol
Left2die3199 2 weeks ago
And performing for the first time, the Mordor Orc's quire! In the past they perform to please their Dark Lord, and now you!
Zoot1414 2 weeks ago
catchy song ^_^
klman4 2 weeks ago
So our "heroes"convinced an army of orcs to slaughter thousands of humans so that they could escape? Please tell me this didn't happen in the books.
DeltaKilo3 2 weeks ago
@DeltaKilo3 Yes but they were evil humans serving the dark lord. its just as well.
countryandpivot 2 weeks ago
@countryandpivot Ohhhh, I thought they were the good guys. I didn't actually watch this movie (or read the books yet) so I have no context for this song other than what I know from the Jackson films.
DeltaKilo3 2 weeks ago
@DeltaKilo3 And besides, it dosent really make sence either, i mean, why would good guys bump right into enemys without attacking imediatly?
countryandpivot 1 week ago
@countryandpivot I had been thinking the same thing, but after witnessing an army of orcs sing show-tunes I was willing to accept anything.
DeltaKilo3 1 week ago
@DeltaKilo3 xD i suppoase so.
countryandpivot 1 week ago
Mitt Romney 2012.
GeraldWatercrest 2 weeks ago
this song is so catchy! ^_^ man i havnt seen this movie in forever......
oh, and also, 72 people took a whip to the knee
SarahComics 2 weeks ago
???
DNIGHTLORD14 2 weeks ago
They sure can sing
Master20Bucks 2 weeks ago
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taradfulton 2 weeks ago
Gets a bit funky there, oh yeah.
Jimkaider 2 weeks ago
the guitar is so awesome!!
Apathy3748 2 weeks ago
I use this song as a ringtone for my boss.
jeff2beyoung 2 weeks ago 2
what a great disco song now they need a band 2 do it
basslvck 2 weeks ago
Was this an old spiritual?
armadica10 2 weeks ago
Repeated animation? That shows Rankin Bass productions were partially Japanese
kevinsharpe97 2 weeks ago
Didn't realize the Orcs were actually peaceful creatures who only were forced to fight in a war because of the whip. They need to form a union.
smithgdwg 3 weeks ago 2
@smithgdwg Certainly it makes more sense than "all orcs are bloodthirsty evil creatures which are evil and bloodthirsty".
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@smithgdwg Certainly it makes more sense than "all orcs are bloodthirsty evil creatures which are evil and bloodthirsty".
shinobody 3 weeks ago
why is this catchy?! WHAT THE FUCK cant get it out of my head -.-
ATY9Productions 3 weeks ago
this is literally the song of my childhood. i wasn't whipped or anything, it's just that i got this movie when i was 8 (now i'm 19), and my siblings and i never forgot this song. we would randomly sing it so many times over these 11 years.
GuitarsRgood 3 weeks ago
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MoronAdjacent 3 weeks ago
Am I the only one who thinks that they are so ugly they are cute
darkwulf23 3 weeks ago
@darkwulf23 They kind of look like pugs...
DoctorMGinius 3 weeks ago
where there's a funk disco beat...there's a booty shake
DrJuice1 4 weeks ago in playlist Favorite videos
But not as bad and scary as the goblins from Rankin Bass's version of the hobbit
kevinsharpe97 4 weeks ago
These guys keep changing from acting and singing very intimidating to innocent
kevinsharpe97 4 weeks ago
Cool... whip.
hughlingard 4 weeks ago 2
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hughlingard 4 weeks ago
@Tenmi11ion
Of course they'd pick disco - what other form of music could be more pleasing to the Dark Powers? :P
rpundurs 1 month ago
I really like this movie's design for the orcs.
GeneralNerd 1 month ago
Curses. I shouldn't watch this of all songs right before going to bed. Now I'll be up for hours with it stuck in my head.
stitch99 1 month ago
nice to know the orc's can sing... just didn't think they would have chosen disco.
Tenmi11ion 1 month ago 3
Amal shufar, at rrug (where there's a whip, there's a way)
Amal shufar, at rrug (where there's a whip, there's a way)
Nar drautdil-ishi lutaum (we don't want to battle in sunlight)
Goth Frushkul Urdan Shalan (Lord Lash commands us march)
Shalan udautas-uk, udautas-uk (march all day, all day)
Shurfar-an-ug-hai, at rrug (by great whipping, there's a way)
ostlandr 1 month ago 12
@ostlandr whats that? Sounds like the tounge of the Old Gods xD
LordManda2 1 month ago
@ostlandr What language is that? The Black Speech?
OriginalAkivara 1 week ago
@ostlandr Yes. You deserve all of the awards.
KAmilkshakeP 3 days ago
oh gods i wish i knew this song when i was in boot camp!
yaklin104 1 month ago
70 people fear the whip.
nysp993 1 month ago
At 4:01 I was kind of hoping for a dance off.
marker0110 1 month ago 3
@marker0110 lmfaoo
Slappedwithabigblack 1 month ago
Imagine how much work Sauron had to do just getting them in order for their choir rehearsal...and they say teachers are underpaid.
marker0110 1 month ago
i think if they added marching sound effects and more raspy orc voices it would of made this an unimaginaly epic marching song
kabutoisgay 1 month ago
Is it safe to say this was the only good scene from the whole movie?
jacketman22 1 month ago
Wow...I remember this from elementary school...
cloverluck16 1 month ago
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cloverluck16 1 month ago
I think Sauron would have them each whipped a hundred times just for singing.
ejkz4789 1 month ago
How could they be mistaken for orcs? They look nothing like them
hersirensong 1 month ago
@hersirensong I always wondered that too. They're wearing Orcen dress, but even Orcs can't be THAT blind and stupid to not recognize their own kind from short, plump Hobbits who don't talk the way they do
eomer06 1 month ago 2
This makes me feel sorry for them.
skyhawk431 1 month ago
Ya gotta love orcs! :))
lafortya 1 month ago
I LOVE THIS SONG!!!!!!
Loverofrats 1 month ago 2
When I was a kid my sister and I used to sing this all the time
ektom90 1 month ago in playlist Favorite videos 2
They may be evil minions of an evil DemiGod but they sure can sing....
OkamsRazer 1 month ago 4
Classic
taskzulu 1 month ago
"Right, Riiiahht", being from Appalachia I like the redneck sounding lead orc.
tdonnolywh 1 month ago
These guys are less intimidating than the goblins in the animaed version of the hobbit
arodbrooks 1 month ago
Those poor orcs
starfiretbt 1 month ago
Wow, this is so terrible that it is awesome! I never thought that they could put a musical number in Lord of the Rings haha
panzertiger2000 1 month ago
this is how i feel taking finals a t school
carp1234ify 1 month ago
How do such ugly things have such beautiful singing voices?
CinnabonChan 1 month ago 16
@CinnabonChan Well maybe if you tried being polite and talking to them instead of being a judgmental human or elf or dwarf from outside the gates of Mordor you'd realize you have a lot more in common with them and learn to appreciate their culture as well as their singing voices.
Ya jerk.
IamJacksSTD 1 month ago 17
@IamJacksSTD I'm pretty sure its not judgmental to disdain the company of something that has a great fondness for the taste of human flesh.
CinnabonChan 1 month ago
@IamJacksSTD thats all fine and dandy till they throw a hatchet at you the first time they see you
623aman 1 week ago in playlist Favorite videos 2
@CinnabonChan oh c'mon, you've seen Susan Boyle haven't you?
theawesome 1 week ago
Eat this Bakshi
arodbrooks 1 month ago
Yes, we all have Ralph Bakshi to thank for these movies, the one song that gets stuck in my head though is The Cracks of Doom, I end up singing it with various things in the lyrics, suddenly I'm typing on The Keyboard of Doom, or having to answer The Phone of Doom, when will it all end... :D
TheBosstrain 1 month ago
@TheBosstrain Bakshi didn't make this movie, this is Rankin Bass. Just a heads up.
JustamannamedWyatt 1 month ago
@JustamannamedWyatt I had to check and make sure, but you're right, however, though Rankin/Bass did this one, they only did because Bakshi was going to leave the series unfinished, so we still have Bakshi to thank for it :P, good call though.
TheBosstrain 1 month ago
@TheBosstrain No problem. I love Bakshi, and I honestly wish he had been able to make the second half. I'd love to see what he would have done.
JustamannamedWyatt 1 month ago
..."Where there's a whip, there's a way!"...my boss has this on his door!...
SteveSabbai 1 month ago 3
69 people got lashed.
Hollywoodu360 1 month ago
@Hollywoodu360 I was gonna say 69 people don't wanna go to war today.
Sk0rp10n91 1 month ago
Just reading the books,this provides a great mental image. It's also catchy - ♪where there's a whip, there's a way♪
roflboyz 1 month ago
This is definitely how JRR Tolkien envisioned the story as he wrote it down!
26nyy 1 month ago 2
Was definitely singing this down the hall to class and people looked at me funny...needa get with the program and watch some good movies...
redursa03 1 month ago 2
The Black Army Choir, ladies and gentlemen!
Kross2099 1 month ago 2
"Get back in line you slugs!" says the man who looks like a slug.
TheDendy11 1 month ago 2
the orcs look like toads lol
dandeliontea7 1 month ago
69 people don't want to go to war today.
Lunchebox 1 month ago 53
@Lunchebox But where there's a whip, there's a way!!
procrastinator99 4 weeks ago
@Lunchebox
& 1 Idiot
Exxoduss1 3 weeks ago
I love how it's a song of oppression but at the same time it has got sweet funk guitar
DrEnsamhet 1 month ago 5
I should sing this before I go to work. Just replace "War" with "Work".
JeffandTaylorComic 2 months ago 4
Starring Newt Gingrich as the whip master odd as he seemingly looks like him..lol
monkeysackskin 2 months ago 3
I feel bad for the orcs. They all look like they just woke up and sauron was like "I need you to go kill shit for the next 8 weeks".
Reminds me of my old boss.
Mikeanglo 2 months ago 32
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Exxoduss1 3 weeks ago
In this book, at the road meeting baraddur uruk-hai are present to bully the marching orcs, while in this film, evil men substitutes the uruk-hais in the road meeting. In my assumption probably in the book, the evil men (Easterlings, Southrons) probably camped in Udun to avoid trouble with any orc or uruk regiment so they won't wasted their men.
Doomhammer15 2 months ago
dat funk....
OGAndizzo 2 months ago
I just realized.... there symbols are the sames as Xana (From code lyoko.
neostrik7 2 months ago
this song is quite catchy
Shlunkingshlee 2 months ago
Guess what?! I got a fever, and the only prescription is 10 hours of this!
Eisenkreuzritter 2 months ago 68
@Eisenkreuzritter From your employer? :D
BrommaHerman 2 months ago
@Eisenkreuzritter Ahaha christopher walken became a tolkien crack addict
dirosaga 1 month ago
SUDDENLY Blacks.
clintokrulz 2 months ago
For such ugly bastards, they sure do sing purdy.
0BustyStClaire0 2 months ago
@0BustyStClaire0 Their singing voices are a relic of their Elven heritage.
doobiesmoke15 1 month ago
.....why am I dancing to this....? o.o....
Oblivionshadows247 2 months ago
appreciated upload
pamperedpersians 2 months ago
Devo totally ripped off this song, man.....
CoolerKing37 2 months ago
Sam:"You're just gonna let those man creatures go through OUR road before us Orcs?"
Whipper:"Hey, yer right!"
supersuper841 2 months ago
they're not slaves, they're servants. and i'm pretty sure they enjoy what they do. judging by the enthusiasm orcs show for killing and such.
mastercrowly 2 months ago
@mastercrowly They're the lazy hippie Orcs. That's why they're so behind the rest of the garrison. Really, they're just being melodramatic.
BlueCranberry 2 months ago
@mastercrowly
No they're slaves, the books pretty much say that the orcs hate Sauron above all others. Suaron doesn't use Cirith Ungol and the Black Gate to keep men out of Mordor but rather to keep the orcs in Mordor.
zoor90 2 months ago
@zoor90 then why does he let them open it?
mastercrowly 2 months ago
@mastercrowly The ones that man the gates are the trusted ones. Don't remember where I read it from, but those guys who you see in the Two Towers movie on the Black Gates are the conventional soldiers who also attacked Minas Tirith , the ones who you see in Mordor when Sam and Frodo sneaked in were the auxiliaries or reserves. Sauron ruled by fear, you saw how afraid people reacted to the Eye. Well so do the Orcs.
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@zoor90 i thought he had a dog or something
mastercrowly 2 months ago
@mastercrowly duh that can be seen with that (They just hate war cause they have to fight with ALLIES instaed of just killing everything.)
neostrik7 2 months ago
@mastercrowly Yeah, but the don't like marching in the heat and sunlight.
doobiesmoke15 1 month ago
what fo that dog be whuppin them other dogs fo?
vantyapollo 2 months ago
@vantyapollo how else are you going to force creatures into a fight that will very well kill them.
neostrik7 2 months ago
so just because the hobbit wore orc clothes, they all think he's an orc? wtf is that logic. if i see a black guy wearing a polo, i still can tell he's black..
mastercrowly 2 months ago
@mastercrowly Orcs come in all shapes and sizes, and hobbits weren't very well known
doobiesmoke15 2 months ago
@doobiesmoke15 ya but in this video all the orcs are the same
mastercrowly 2 months ago
Catchy
TheSUPERNOVA2704 2 months ago
Pretty catchy
locksmith898 2 months ago 4
Brilliant. Lyrics?
rcv826 2 months ago
A crack on the back says "we're gonna fight!".
"We're gonna march all day and night, and moooooore!!!"
DJFlare84 2 months ago
This is too catchy for my own good.
ninjawraith17 2 months ago
Those men still would have won
PretentiousPainters 2 months ago
when you think about it, sam is the one that does alot of the manual woek in the series
shoezomaku 3 months ago
ahh.. Good old LOTR!!! XD i have the human version, and i liked when Pip said, to Aaragorn, "What about sencond breakfast?" and then Merry replied. "Pip, I don't think he ever heard of second breakfast.."
me, "WHAT?!?!"
laurelann12 3 months ago
YES! My new theme song! ( I work at an S&M Bar)
rush1er 3 months ago
i like how the orcs arent just completly mindless idiots, they actually have feelings and opinions.
shoezomaku 3 months ago
I have vhs tape of this that I'm going to watch now. it's catchy tune !
TheRealSennkohCoola 3 months ago
I find that drumming sound in the background interesting and catchy.... I kidna like it!! :D
guthixbox381 3 months ago
3:46 3:52 funny how his nose went from black to grey.
headstomper17 3 months ago
SO MUCH REPEATED ANIMATION
SaritaWolf 3 months ago
This has been stuck in my head so long that I'm afraid I will start to like this song :(
octopus170 3 months ago
so the orc are not evil?
but forced? i feel sorry for them
FmaScar 3 months ago
@FmaScar They're probably still evil, but would rather not march off to war for Sauron, especially since they wouldn't get much out of it all.
TheRandomRabbit 3 months ago
they sing good for monsters
LiberalsUtopian 3 months ago
Their eyes don't move!
fanofsolo 3 months ago
Anybody know where I can find an instrumental version of this?
bigsis144 3 months ago
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TheGeorgevt 3 months ago
The songs are what was missing from the movies (Peter Jackson).....If they do the same to live action version of the hobbit I'll be a sad panda.
JonGee420 3 months ago 44
@JonGee420 Thankfully, Jackson's confirmed that more songs will be included in the Hobbit.
KingxNothing1 3 months ago
@KingxNothing1 YeS!!!!! THey were in the book, so they better be there lol
drakethe87th 3 months ago
Who knew that oces can sing. we don't want to go to war to day.
pennybob64 3 months ago
I have this on my iPod. YEAH!
t3amtomahawk 3 months ago
I love how these ugly ass fuckers have beautiful full voices. COGNITIVE DISSONANCE!!!
crapparc 3 months ago 3
@crapparc Their singing voices are a relic of their elven heritage.
doobiesmoke15 2 months ago
It's so bad it's good.
Gargess 3 months ago 3
...Peter Jackson wins.
NCWC2 3 months ago
if you got to play music like this when you go marching i'd join that army which is a better marching song this or girl worth fighting for from Mulan
Ontarioku77 3 months ago
@Ontarioku77 BE A MANNNN!!!
t3amtomahawk 3 months ago
@t3amtomahawk that's more a training / montage song
Ontarioku77 3 months ago
@Ontarioku77 This is more realistic, girls won't be on your mind as much as you regreating joining the army or being draft into it.
Visser0x 2 months ago
The easterlings in this movie look like Huns.
Doomhammer15 3 months ago
I've been listening to songs from The Hobbit and Return of the King all afternoon, but I avoided this one. I knew that, once I heard it, it would be stuck in my head for days.
Then the pressure got to me. Failtality.
stitch99 3 months ago 2
I feel bad i cannot compair ROTK to anything......ohhhhh the Rakan Bash version i'll just compare those 2 then. "Where there's a whip, there is a way, where there's a whip"Jackson Version! .
TheNumba1shadowfan 3 months ago
@TheNumba1shadowfan Yeah, yeah, you watched Nostalgia Critic, all right, the song still rules.
ResurrectedTemplar 3 months ago
@ResurrectedTemplar I do like the song, just this version of ROTK sucks arse
TheNumba1shadowfan 3 months ago
I use to LOVE this song when i was a kid when it was aired on network televsion.
crinoid1919 3 months ago
Corrected Comment:
I used to frequently sing this song in my head at a previous job. Just substitute "work" for "war", "fight", and "march" in the song and it becomes an appropriate workplace tune if you're working for jerk slavedriving bosses.
Proud2bAnAmerican666 3 months ago
I used to frequently sing this song in my head at a previous job. Just substitute "work" for "war" in the song and it becomes an appropriate workplace tune if you're working for jerk slavedriving bosses.
Proud2bAnAmerican666 3 months ago
It's sort of weird that it makes the bloodthirsty orcs now look sympathetic since they openly declare they don't want to go to war, but feel as if they must. The song is actually kind of catchy. Only 1 problem. It's in a Lord of the Ring's movie. I just don't think of Orcs singing in a Lord of the Rings movie, it just doesn't sound right. The song should have been used in another movie.
Yabuturtle 3 months ago 3
We don't wanna go to war today, but the Lord of the lash says nay,nay,nay!...I loved this when I was a kid!
Eboney34 3 months ago
I loved this song when i watched this movie when i was i kid
zillahez13 3 months ago
I'm gonna get this song stuck in my head sometime, I know it.
Swordofswordom 3 months ago
great movie great song
mew418 3 months ago
Clearly this is not Sauron's Army. This is obviously Ganon's Army. Look at them, they look like Moblins. xD
Yabuturtle 3 months ago 4
If this had been in the Peter Jackson films at any point, i would have ended my life right there and then.
Tomading 3 months ago 13
@Tomading
Well, maybe Sauron would have won the war with singing Orcs, because the armies of Men and Elves would have laughed themselves to death ;-)
Just imagine you are a soldier of Gondor waiting in Osgiliath for Mordor's army and then these guys come along: "Where there's a whip, there's a way. Where there's a whip, there's a way." Maybe joined by the Witchking si