dam theres a bunch of non paddlers on this post let me tell yall something you CAN HAND ROLL IN WHITEWATER ive done it, ive seen it done, end of story
There´s no difference (or kind of "no") between rolling with hands in a pool and i whitewater. I even think it´s easier, because you can get more water pressure on your hand, when you turn in into the waterflow slightly ;)
Ususally when you flip, and need to roll, the weather elements such as the wind and waves, river current etc. tend to make it more challenging to roll, then rolling in a swimming pool.
nice strong hip flick i'v seen a roll done with out anything but hip flick plus this is a play boat pretty easy..... and for all of you saying "do it in white water" why troll when the tittle says nothing about doing in rapids
What's up with all the negative comments? Of course hand rolls are possible in the river and not just in a pool if you're a slim girl.
I'm a guy, weigh about 80kg, and I've hand rolled a Riot Disco in the really fast and rough water at the bottom of our local sluice. All it takes is a bit of practice.
you should try rolling while holding a ball in one hand....thats fun. or try rolling pt the ball acrooss the boat to the other hand then rolling back up. that looks awesome :)
@jacobrulesagain , pot noodle roll, go over with a pot noodle, pass it over and roll back, gotta keep it upright or u loose all that plasticy goodness!
Wow excellent, I can do a 'hands only roll' but not like that,,,stalling under water. I have to do it in one continuous movement. Now I am going to have to practice that move!
obvioulsy if ur not coming up when you are rolling,obvioulsy try a few times then why are you so insane as to not pull off your spraydeck and save your life. you probably would say i would rather die in a boat, but id bet you anything that if u wernt able to roll you would pull off your spraydeck.and you are a show off saying id rather die in my boat, i guess i like showing off my skills with slalom but id never say that.and im only a 14 year old kid and i guess ur a man. grow up, any1 agree?
Been working on a paddle roll in my sea kayak in case I lose the paddle. For now I keep an extra paddle on the deck in front of me. I practice rolling, pulling out half of the extra paddle while underwater and rolling up with the half paddle...it's pretty easy.
That might actually be easier... I can roll a C-1 but not a kayak, the one bladed paddle gives a lot better leverage. Is it actually easier in a kayaker or is it harder because half of the paddle is so much shorter than the whole one?
hand roll is great for polo, because most of the time you only go over when you have the ball. say when your shooting, then you have to roll off the ball.
but it aint good for whitewater, not enough strength in it.
plus theres always that chance of looosing your paddle...
yeh i agree paddle rolls are the best but my m8 snapped his paddle while going off a 30 foot waterfall...unable to boof it he penciled it and had to hand roll
only one thing about that. If the roll hurts you when you come up and i mean dislocation or something fairly serious its a bad roll but still one to use if you have no other. just saying gotta be carefull and a bit of creative critiscism never hurt! :P
the coaches and instructers can nag about u are doing it wrong, but as you said if u get the right side up and if it dosent hurt: WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG THEN :P
hand rolls work your abs, especially if you do back deck hand rolls, if nothing else they are a really good work out/technique training tool.. realistically if you are in a dangerous situation in your boat with out a paddle, your hands are not going to give you the same maneuverability.
To be honest there's nothing difficult about a hand roll, it's mainly in the hips as much as it was hands, you can get your boat 1/2 way out the water just by rotating your hips and placing your hands in the right place. You don't even need hands (no handed roll uses a great deal of hip flick). No agression needed, it's just technique
Well im a capable kayaker and can the hand roll but when i'm doing them it always seems alot more brutal and energy intensive than her's.
However my hipflick is not that good on technique, i just tend to try and brute force my way when I roll, and though it works it tends to leave my tired, and has injured on occasion.
However im working on my technique and it has improved alot since the last time I injured myself.
Hip flick (as we call it in the UK) is the key, but you need something to use as a lever. In this case she's using her hands for a hand roll. Generally, you will use a paddle. Let's face it, if the conditions are such that you get turned upside down, then righting yourself and not having your paddle, means you're likely to get knocked over again. ie I've never seen anyone use a hand roll for anything other than showing off. Me included - LOL.
mate you are saying the the hand roll is useless for anything other than showing off. that is so not true the golden rule of big water paddling is never ever swim. swimming is like taking off a 280 liter life jacket. some people even go so far to say it is better to die in your boat than swim
Nope, I said a statement of fact since "I've never seen anyone use a hand roll for anything other than showing off." But let's face it, if you really think it "Better to die in your boat than swim", then your opinion doesn't count for much, does it. Since that's one of the daftest things you could have said.
If you have ever read the book or seen the film into the tsangpo gorge by scott lindgren then you will know that before they started they all agreed that it was better to die in there boat than swim as an out of boat rescue would be impossible. if 7 of the worlds best paddlers think that that saying is true than i am going to do all i can not to swim
Yeah yeah sure. Dying in your boat is better than possibly surviving outside it? Sorry, but that's just macho nonsense. I'm married to a kayak instructor who runs an outdoor centre. We've heard all the ego-inflated gibberish over the years and this is one of the classics. Someone needs to grow up a bit.
If you've still got your paddle then roll, but if not and are in the kind of big water you are referring to then you'll be upside down again in seconds and even closer to the next drop.
"It's better to die in your boat than swim," two-time world champion freestyle kayaker Eric Jackson says. "You're safer in your boat than out of your boat in every situation except a pinning situation. "The point is, you've got to make up your mind to roll, no matter what, before you ever enter a rapid. With your kayak, you've got a 47-gallon life jacket. Does it make any sense at all to pull off the spray skirt and fill the boat full of water?"
"It's better to die in your boat than swim" and "You're safer in your boat than out of your boat in every situation except a pinning situation." are two self contradictory sentences. If you got turned upside down in such a way as to lose your paddle, then the waters you are rolling back into are just going to knock you over again. And just where exactly do you think you'll be paddling without your paddle?
Sure you can keep tiring yourself out by righting yourself with hand rolls, but at some point you will need to get to the bank. What if the next drop is into a stopper/hydrolic that you could have swam to the bank to avoid? White water spec boats have airbags so never fill up with water, thereby keeping them boyant regardless of if you come out, so most of your points are wrong.
With you saying this rubbish i just think that you cant have any experiance on this kind of water when your paddling into number 9, nevis bluff or the niagra gorge the only thing going through your head is i have to make this, i cant swim. during the the first and second decent of the niagara gorge chris speelius glued his deck on so it would not pop. that is how important it is to stay in your boat on that kind of water.
Yes, and I'll wager that like all serious kayakers he'll carry a knife in his buoyancy aid to get himself out if necessary ... or is he still in his boat to this day? As you know, I'm mainly arguing with your inane "It's better to die in your boat than swim" garbage. Have you sent the guy any fanmail or love letters yet. You appear to be infatuated - LOL. Most extreme sports people are attention seekers, who'll say an awful lot just for the sound-bite. Looks like this guy caught you.
Once when beach surfing I went over in very cold water and after 2 bad goes at paddle rolls my hands were numb, my brain was slowing down and my paddle was gone. I attempted to get out, realising that I had broken the cardinal rule for the first (and last!!!) time of making sure the toggle is outside the sprayskirt! Nothing was making that tight skirt pop and just as I was thinking about my demise I remembered that I had done one successful handroll at the pool the weekend before. It worked :)
In referance to what Dunk said about handrolls being just for showing off I dont think youve ever watched a canoe polo match. The hand roll is very useful in that situation
A kayak roll depends solely on a good hip snap. Hands, paddles, whatever are simply braces and tools to complete a hipsnap. Kayaking is a blast. Find a local paddle shop, ask questions, get answers and get on the water.
Eskimo roll is a general term for rolling a kayak. Body position is key for completely a roll, however, it depends on having a good hipsnap. Shes performing a hand roll.
Thanks for the input. Our indoor kayak pool sessions start January 10th, 2008 in Brantford Ontario. I'll try to shoot some video of the recovery above water and post it as soon as I can.
You can tell from this video that she lays on her back deck as she comes up. Also, usually the leading hand is strecthed out over the boat to distribute the weight to the other side to keep from rolling back over into the water. However, having a good hipsnap allows for less worries where your hands are or about the recovery.
i would like you do it in my bliss stick mac 1 and in white water
thinkwrong 1 month ago
good hand roll, bring your elbow up more :)
thinkwrong 2 months ago
dam theres a bunch of non paddlers on this post let me tell yall something you CAN HAND ROLL IN WHITEWATER ive done it, ive seen it done, end of story
wave6472 2 months ago
try letting go of your paddle and hand rolling on a proper river dead meat
Reachoman 3 months ago
Easy? Come on! You can fool somebody who never tried a normal roll, let alone one without a paddle. This is anything but easy.
dinoalberini 5 months ago
There´s no difference (or kind of "no") between rolling with hands in a pool and i whitewater. I even think it´s easier, because you can get more water pressure on your hand, when you turn in into the waterflow slightly ;)
minimushrom 7 months ago
Ususally when you flip, and need to roll, the weather elements such as the wind and waves, river current etc. tend to make it more challenging to roll, then rolling in a swimming pool.
paddleme2 7 months ago
Awesome!
DizzyDior12 8 months ago
nice strong hip flick i'v seen a roll done with out anything but hip flick plus this is a play boat pretty easy..... and for all of you saying "do it in white water" why troll when the tittle says nothing about doing in rapids
sjffhgur 1 year ago
What's up with all the negative comments? Of course hand rolls are possible in the river and not just in a pool if you're a slim girl.
I'm a guy, weigh about 80kg, and I've hand rolled a Riot Disco in the really fast and rough water at the bottom of our local sluice. All it takes is a bit of practice.
alankelly83 1 year ago
it was so smooth and perfect. i wish i could hand roll my OC-1
3jcorn 1 year ago
that only works if you weigh 115lbs or less
HiWay69s 1 year ago
@HiWay69s totally false
LukeBass100 5 months ago
@LukeBass100 a fat bastard can't do that w/out a paddle. NO videos yet
HiWay69s 5 months ago
Oh yes. Super!
kayakiwi1 1 year ago
try it with all kit on in white water after capsizing and having had paddle ripped from hands. Thats the reality .
Reachoman 1 year ago
whoa how much muscle u need and dosent water go up ur nose wen ur upside down like that?
MicroMouse007 1 year ago
you should try rolling while holding a ball in one hand....thats fun. or try rolling pt the ball acrooss the boat to the other hand then rolling back up. that looks awesome :)
jacobrulesagain 2 years ago
@jacobrulesagain , pot noodle roll, go over with a pot noodle, pass it over and roll back, gotta keep it upright or u loose all that plasticy goodness!
NorcoKyle 1 year ago
not possible when waters are rough.
lostprophets123 2 years ago
false very possible
wilsonsharp 2 years ago
Wow excellent, I can do a 'hands only roll' but not like that,,,stalling under water. I have to do it in one continuous movement. Now I am going to have to practice that move!
moh2o 2 years ago
cool...but can you do it in a cold lake??
54spiritedwill54 3 years ago 12
obvioulsy if ur not coming up when you are rolling,obvioulsy try a few times then why are you so insane as to not pull off your spraydeck and save your life. you probably would say i would rather die in a boat, but id bet you anything that if u wernt able to roll you would pull off your spraydeck.and you are a show off saying id rather die in my boat, i guess i like showing off my skills with slalom but id never say that.and im only a 14 year old kid and i guess ur a man. grow up, any1 agree?
rachelpearce94 3 years ago
GO SLAMON im a 14 year old dude slalomer too yeeah
stoopidgirl789987 2 years ago
Been working on a paddle roll in my sea kayak in case I lose the paddle. For now I keep an extra paddle on the deck in front of me. I practice rolling, pulling out half of the extra paddle while underwater and rolling up with the half paddle...it's pretty easy.
WillForsberg 3 years ago
That might actually be easier... I can roll a C-1 but not a kayak, the one bladed paddle gives a lot better leverage. Is it actually easier in a kayaker or is it harder because half of the paddle is so much shorter than the whole one?
jrsh92 2 years ago
I play polo aswell as whitewater and surfing.
hand roll is great for polo, because most of the time you only go over when you have the ball. say when your shooting, then you have to roll off the ball.
but it aint good for whitewater, not enough strength in it.
plus theres always that chance of looosing your paddle...
stick to paddle rolls! ;)
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Olliepaddler 3 years ago
yeh i agree paddle rolls are the best but my m8 snapped his paddle while going off a 30 foot waterfall...unable to boof it he penciled it and had to hand roll
aria230 3 years ago
Im just wondering if this is the proper way to hand roll. I was always told to lean back in the boat when coming up
vivalacony 3 years ago
theres no real proper way to roll, like if it gets you right way up and its not hurting who is to say your doing anything wrong.
jon805980 3 years ago 16
the wrong way is when you dont succeed, if you roll it, its the right way so yep mate I do agree
stevevox1 2 years ago
only one thing about that. If the roll hurts you when you come up and i mean dislocation or something fairly serious its a bad roll but still one to use if you have no other. just saying gotta be carefull and a bit of creative critiscism never hurt! :P
kyaker123 2 years ago
the coaches and instructers can nag about u are doing it wrong, but as you said if u get the right side up and if it dosent hurt: WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG THEN :P
xdude0123 2 years ago
@jon805980 unless your leaning back
LukeBass100 5 months ago
have 2 say that iz a gud roll ...
monkcas 3 years ago
lol asif ur arguein about a frigen roll XD
Xxemo1scumxX 3 years ago
hand rolls work your abs, especially if you do back deck hand rolls, if nothing else they are a really good work out/technique training tool.. realistically if you are in a dangerous situation in your boat with out a paddle, your hands are not going to give you the same maneuverability.
norfLundaan 3 years ago
To be honest there's nothing difficult about a hand roll, it's mainly in the hips as much as it was hands, you can get your boat 1/2 way out the water just by rotating your hips and placing your hands in the right place. You don't even need hands (no handed roll uses a great deal of hip flick). No agression needed, it's just technique
RawwhhhUK 3 years ago
duh
HorseCaak 3 years ago
i think its just very good editing there as her hands are always level.(but i dont now)
jamie99756 3 years ago
No editing, what you see is reality....enjoy.
Kiwikayaker 3 years ago 9
@jamie99756 is someone slow?
bonboog 1 year ago
Well im a capable kayaker and can the hand roll but when i'm doing them it always seems alot more brutal and energy intensive than her's.
However my hipflick is not that good on technique, i just tend to try and brute force my way when I roll, and though it works it tends to leave my tired, and has injured on occasion.
However im working on my technique and it has improved alot since the last time I injured myself.
d3c0y2 3 years ago
That's a pretty sweet hand roll starting from hanging all the way upside down. She makes it look effortless.
pt23220c 3 years ago
Hip flick (as we call it in the UK) is the key, but you need something to use as a lever. In this case she's using her hands for a hand roll. Generally, you will use a paddle. Let's face it, if the conditions are such that you get turned upside down, then righting yourself and not having your paddle, means you're likely to get knocked over again. ie I've never seen anyone use a hand roll for anything other than showing off. Me included - LOL.
Dunk1970 3 years ago
mate you are saying the the hand roll is useless for anything other than showing off. that is so not true the golden rule of big water paddling is never ever swim. swimming is like taking off a 280 liter life jacket. some people even go so far to say it is better to die in your boat than swim
broadleyjn 3 years ago
Nope, I said a statement of fact since "I've never seen anyone use a hand roll for anything other than showing off." But let's face it, if you really think it "Better to die in your boat than swim", then your opinion doesn't count for much, does it. Since that's one of the daftest things you could have said.
Dunk1970 3 years ago
If you have ever read the book or seen the film into the tsangpo gorge by scott lindgren then you will know that before they started they all agreed that it was better to die in there boat than swim as an out of boat rescue would be impossible. if 7 of the worlds best paddlers think that that saying is true than i am going to do all i can not to swim
broadleyjn 3 years ago
Yeah yeah sure. Dying in your boat is better than possibly surviving outside it? Sorry, but that's just macho nonsense. I'm married to a kayak instructor who runs an outdoor centre. We've heard all the ego-inflated gibberish over the years and this is one of the classics. Someone needs to grow up a bit.
If you've still got your paddle then roll, but if not and are in the kind of big water you are referring to then you'll be upside down again in seconds and even closer to the next drop.
Dunk1970 3 years ago
I trust him more than you!
"It's better to die in your boat than swim," two-time world champion freestyle kayaker Eric Jackson says. "You're safer in your boat than out of your boat in every situation except a pinning situation. "The point is, you've got to make up your mind to roll, no matter what, before you ever enter a rapid. With your kayak, you've got a 47-gallon life jacket. Does it make any sense at all to pull off the spray skirt and fill the boat full of water?"
broadleyjn 3 years ago 2
"It's better to die in your boat than swim" and "You're safer in your boat than out of your boat in every situation except a pinning situation." are two self contradictory sentences. If you got turned upside down in such a way as to lose your paddle, then the waters you are rolling back into are just going to knock you over again. And just where exactly do you think you'll be paddling without your paddle?
Dunk1970 3 years ago
Sure you can keep tiring yourself out by righting yourself with hand rolls, but at some point you will need to get to the bank. What if the next drop is into a stopper/hydrolic that you could have swam to the bank to avoid? White water spec boats have airbags so never fill up with water, thereby keeping them boyant regardless of if you come out, so most of your points are wrong.
Dunk1970 3 years ago 2
With you saying this rubbish i just think that you cant have any experiance on this kind of water when your paddling into number 9, nevis bluff or the niagra gorge the only thing going through your head is i have to make this, i cant swim. during the the first and second decent of the niagara gorge chris speelius glued his deck on so it would not pop. that is how important it is to stay in your boat on that kind of water.
broadleyjn 3 years ago
Yes, and I'll wager that like all serious kayakers he'll carry a knife in his buoyancy aid to get himself out if necessary ... or is he still in his boat to this day? As you know, I'm mainly arguing with your inane "It's better to die in your boat than swim" garbage. Have you sent the guy any fanmail or love letters yet. You appear to be infatuated - LOL. Most extreme sports people are attention seekers, who'll say an awful lot just for the sound-bite. Looks like this guy caught you.
Dunk1970 3 years ago
Its important to stay in your boat yes. But there comes a point in situations where you got to say enough is enough and bail out.
Sometimes the boat can be a liability.
So to say that swimming is a bad idea isnt really rational or fair. Not everyone is going to do the drops you mentioned.
ShortGrumpyKayaker 3 years ago
Once when beach surfing I went over in very cold water and after 2 bad goes at paddle rolls my hands were numb, my brain was slowing down and my paddle was gone. I attempted to get out, realising that I had broken the cardinal rule for the first (and last!!!) time of making sure the toggle is outside the sprayskirt! Nothing was making that tight skirt pop and just as I was thinking about my demise I remembered that I had done one successful handroll at the pool the weekend before. It worked :)
videonb257 3 years ago
In referance to what Dunk said about handrolls being just for showing off I dont think youve ever watched a canoe polo match. The hand roll is very useful in that situation
vivalacony 3 years ago 3
Hey vivalacony, that's actually the first real usage I've heard yet. I'd forgotten about canoe polo.
Dunk1970 3 years ago
dude at least if your in your boat one side of your body is protected from the rocks!!
kearneyakastaples 3 years ago
She makes it look so easy. Is it really just a hip snap?
I'm very interested in kayaking. I've only done it once, but I can't stop dreaming of it.
SpunkyBunny 4 years ago
A kayak roll depends solely on a good hip snap. Hands, paddles, whatever are simply braces and tools to complete a hipsnap. Kayaking is a blast. Find a local paddle shop, ask questions, get answers and get on the water.
eastcoastsurfer06 3 years ago
Is that really an eskimo roll? I thought they didn't use any hands at all, just a hip snap.
prettyaspoison 4 years ago
Eskimo roll is a general term for rolling a kayak. Body position is key for completely a roll, however, it depends on having a good hipsnap. Shes performing a hand roll.
eastcoastsurfer06 3 years ago
I find this video amazing. I wish I had a hand roll. It would be better to show the top of the water to see how you recover "in the air". Good job!
KayakBob2000 4 years ago
Thanks for the input. Our indoor kayak pool sessions start January 10th, 2008 in Brantford Ontario. I'll try to shoot some video of the recovery above water and post it as soon as I can.
Thanks for watching.
Kiwikayaker 4 years ago
You can tell from this video that she lays on her back deck as she comes up. Also, usually the leading hand is strecthed out over the boat to distribute the weight to the other side to keep from rolling back over into the water. However, having a good hipsnap allows for less worries where your hands are or about the recovery.
eastcoastsurfer06 3 years ago
i thought you had to lean forward as you rolled, its what i do
hypertom95 3 years ago
Once you know how to do it its peanuts
salamifretter 4 years ago
anyone who kayaks regulaly can hand roll!! i certainly can
keffama 4 years ago
cool...but can you do it in a cold lake??
56aipc 4 years ago