Faith Healing Death - Oregon City Followers of Christ Church

[sean2kk8]

the doctor looks like chuck norris

[I21GenieLee]

DoNotLaughatme..the bible is tested and proven..the prophecies of Jesus written 700 years before HE came were fulfilled to a tee.His law is on our conscience..why can't u tell a child to live like u do?..bcuz its wrong!..Look up Lee Strobles,Frank Turek,Ravi Zacharias, Walter Martin..Christian Road Warrior ..its crazy to think everything came from nothing!

[jamaljamal85]

Take the kids away and spay/neuter the adults. Damn bastards should be lined up and shot.

[1993Kittens]

@1993Kittens The address for the Followers of Christ Church is 19394 Molalla Avenue Oregon City, Oregon. Zip-code 97045 Phone number (503) - 656 - 4541. Now go out there and Kill those "parents"! Kill the Cult Leader! Free the Children! Don't trust the State! Free the Children, and have them in NICE, LOVING, NON ABUSIVE HOMES! THANKS! PS. DO NOT KILL ANY CHILD! THANK YOU A WHOLE LOT!

[13377r3331f]

the government should put out bounties and prohibit faith healing for this reason. in a place called perfect i would reward you for killing these murderers.

[DemoraX]

his autopsy should'nt read "cause of death, cardiac arrest"

it should read "cause of death, Religion."

added to the billions of deaths religion has caused.

[Acecool444]

Anyone who believes in God, should also know, that God gave us the intellect and wisdom to know when to see a doctor. After all, God also gave man the intelligence to learn, administer and treat certain ailments and disease i.e. Luke was also a physician by profession.

To witness one of your own children to lay there and suffer with great pain is heinous to say the least.

"God does not hear the prayers of the wicked or unrighteous" (James 5:16).

[DoNotLaughAtMe]

@Acecool444 stop making stuff up! That wasn't in the bible. I'm pretty sure you pray according to the bible to get healed.

[Acecool444]

@DoNotLaughAtMe I didn't make anything up.....

[DoNotLaughAtMe]

@Acecool444 did the bible says to go to a doctor ? no. Families, friends, people teaches us youngsters.

"Animals don't believe in god, they are smart enough not to" Forgot who

100% of scientists do not believe in god, and they are making this world a better place.

[Acecool444]

@DoNotLaughAtMe You're a fool...end of story!

[DoNotLaughAtMe]

@Acecool444 yes we are both ignorant of each other, but virtually all scientists are atheists, and that's a fact.

The thing is, your religion is only a belief. It's outdated morals beliefs along with superstition mythologies.

If your only being good because of what the bible said, you need to see a psychiatrist.

[TheDarkLordLucifer]

Natural selection in action. It is terrible that the child has to die due to their parent's blind stupidity.

[LukeTOK]

I live near these fucking nut jobs .. I see the church on my way to work in Milwaukie every day .. I think someone should file a lawsuit on the church and bankrupt their asses ..

[TheOpenminded12460]

@TheOpenMinded12460 The address for The Followers of Christ Church is 19394 Molalla Ave Oregon City, Oregon. The Followers of Christ Church's zip code is 97045. The Followers Of Christ Church's phone number is 503 656 - 4541. I found this all on Google Map.

[mrcheetahmorris]

Everyone who is against this church has no right to judge them. They don't judge you

[devante11]

@mrcheetahmorris

"Everyone who is against this church has no right to judge them."

So we should just let deluded and delusional people killed innocent kids LMAO

Your long gone in your delusional fantasy of wishful thinking, to I see. As you clearly cant even think straight

I must remember your words when someones murders someone, I turn a blind eye to it correct?

[devante11]

Punishment for parents ..well seeing they believe in the bible is ALL true .....a eye for a eye------>>should have drowned them in piss also LOL LOL :)

[purity4all]

these people did what they believed was right. just as in war both sides believe they are right. Both sides are killing but everyone on both sides believe they are right and no one goes to jail. Their child died because of what they believe. Our soldiers are our children. They die because of what we as a nation believe. Or worse yet because of what govt. OFICIALS BELIEVE.

[TheOpenminded12460]

@TheOpenMinded12460 The Followers of Christ Cult.

[oldblubblub]

I hate it when parents refuse to take their children to the hospital under religious grounds. That's what religion does to you.

I'm from Oregon and it's not as religious as most other states(Atheism is 24%). It's secular and gays are treated very well.

[TheOpenminded12460]

@TheOpenMinded12460 If this was cult was doing child marriage, Bi-sexual Polygamy, marrying children and marrying their own kids that would not be legal. Why should this be legal?

[TheDeistAngle]

These fucking people let their child die an excruciating death by drowning his heart in piss, and they get SIXTEEN MONTHS

SIXTEEN MONTHS

are you fucking kidding me?!?! PUT THEM TO DEATH FOR MURDERING THEIR CHILD.

[slotter127]

@TheDeistAngle I agree, that's about the same sentence you'd get for car theft or shoplifting!

What is it when some cult or religion is involved whether it be pedophile Catholic priests or crackpot faith healers Judges are reluctant to lock these people away for a long time.

[marlaskullfcker]

It's better for them to die young, than to further populate the world with their idiocy.

[shaunasuz]

This is absolutely appaling...and this CULT needs to be shut down!!!

[PanzerBlitz43]

@shaunasuz doctors are a cult. Fuking witch doctors that kill thousands of patients with their deadly pharm drugs. Hospitals are criminal institutions & cesspools of disease. Most modern doctors know crap about nutrition and are forbidden to say they can cure anybody.. quacks. The only thing so called modern medicine is good for is mechanical things like fixing bones. I wouldn't go to your precious quacks for anything other than safe dental or fixing broken bones if you paid me 100,000 dollars.

[99boyz]

you nuts god is not going to heal you

theirs no such thing as faith healing

[GretchenDawntreader]

Christians....they will make you have your babies, and show you how to neglect them to death after they are born.

This is classic.

[dhimes3]

Ignorant people are dangerous people

[imthenoid69]

Jail these people and torch the church. What a waste of a poor young mans life. He was not allowed medical treatment to save his life because of his parents moronic beliefs. The same thing happened to the boy's cousin. What a shame. Everyone is entitled to their beliefs, but others shouldnt have to die for them.

[hmwallace]

Honestly, I don't believe this had ANYTHING to do with beliefs and much less "moronic beliefs" as you have suggested. It was peer pressure from a controlling cult that demands they follow what they (man) say and if not the will be shunned from family. It's interesting how we quickly dismiss something based from our bias views. I believe there is something terribly wrong with this church and it's a cult, but I know that God does heal with true faith because I know people that have received it

[imthenoid69]

You know someone that was healed? wow did they have a cold and take vitamin c then pray and the cold went away? Thats a miracle!

[Kalenos]

@imthenoid69 Agreed. There is a difference between having faith and being a fucking moron.

My fiance is a Weslian(while I may disagree with religion as a whole due to being atheist, I respect her choice to believe what ever she wishes).. but she STILL GOES TO THE FUCKING DOCTOR WHEN SHE GETS SICK.

These deaths were entirely preventable. Shame the punishment for the parents is so light.

[hmwallace]

Hmmm, this is sad. However, I strongly disagree with the assumptions that this "proves" religion to be false. Scripture doesn't just say lay hands and they will be healed. There are TONS of scriptures that say we must first obey God. The world is fallen and illness is part of it. I think the family here wasn't walking with Christ. They were following a church and it's teacher, not Christ. They were probably also walking in faith that they didn't have. This happened to the disciples.

[hmwallace]

Not at all saying we shouldn't go to the doctors btw. Just saying that it's not as black and white as you would like it to be. I know of people that prayed for healing for years and didn't receive UNTIL they for themselves studied scripture and allowed it to change their hearts which caused them to repent, forgive people that may of hurt them in their past etc. Then they were healed. So, you see...there is much more to it than just praying and sadly most people only go to church on Sunday.

[5891jonathan]

These folks are drinking the grape Kool-Aid.

This cult is dangerous and members with children should be closely monitored so they don't kill their children.

[19boris57]

I believe that everyone has a right to practice their faith, so long as doing so causes no harm to human life or well-being. Those children have no control over their parent's choices.

Personally, I think organized religions are man-made and only serve to control groups of superstitious people.. Rational people need to step in a protect these children-

Let the adults of this group die off from lack of medical care..

[JohnnyWeedSeed420]

Not only to control those superstitous people but to make money off of them also, religion is a business like any other, except they dont have to pay taxes

[hmwallace]

Organized religion is man-made, but it does not reflect the truth and divine touch of the original scriptures. Careful not to throw the baby out with the bath water.

[NelsonPerkins32]

Religion is not man-made. There is a God, however I do not belong to this faith, nor do I condone it. Our Heavenly Father gave us our own moral agency so we can grow, and become better people to return to live with him again. He expects us to have faith in him, and then he expects us to exercise common sence, and make the right choices. It says in the Bible faith without works is dead, so that means that if you are sick you will have faith that he will help you get the proper medical care.

[NelsonPerkins32]

I belong to the church Of Jesus Crist Of Latter Day Saints, and my mom had a blessing in our church that said that she would regain her sight after she went blind in 1999, and two years later her sight was completely, and totally back, but in order to keep her sight, and her health, she goes and sees a doctor, and othromologist frequently. She uses medication for her health, and eyedrops for her sight. Our Heavenly expects her to use common sence, and seek the medical care she needs.

[MegaProcrastination]

What most people fail to realize about groups like this is that physical life isn't important. Following God's law is more important than following man's law. Where some see neglect, others see faith. They are ridiculed because they have firm enough convictions to hold on to those beliefs.

I understand why people feel the way they do about this group, but examine both sides before passing judgment. They aren't killing anyone. They are putting their lives in their God's hands.

[5891jonathan]

@MegaProcrastination

Wait! Let me examine both sides.

OK, I am finshed.

They are killing their children.

Thanks for encouraging me to look at both sides before making up my mind . . . .

[JohnnyWeedSeed420]

Faith doesnt heal people, and now the parents are paying for it. How many children have to die before you come to your senses, god doesnt work past the creation. He put everything in our hands and its up to us, what do you think free will is, if god saves peoples lives then he would save people from murderers, cancer, aids, not just pick a few kids to save and let millions others die, use your brain. Thats if there is a god, im still uncertain, i need proof, not a book written by man

[slotter127]

@MegaProcrastination Faith is believing what you know ain't so. Mark Twain

[Neil6000]

Christians always ask me why I am so outspoken against religion - this case is exhibit A.

Delusional people pray to an imaginary god to heal their child and he dies when a simple office visit to the doctor could have saved his life.

I'm sorry, but religion needs to go. The sooner we get rid of misguided faith in something that doesn't exist the better off we will all be.

[imthenoid69]

brilliantly stated!

[Zegan7]

I knew this kid, I went to school with his big sister.... Its so sad, beside their faith they were so nice! I cant believe this.

[zidzabazoobadzza]

How are all of these people not in jail for murder? Are they using a time machine to ship judges and jurys in from the dark ages to try these cases?

If your actions kill your kids, its murder. If adults want to pray themselves to death I'm completely fine with it, were better off without them, but when they kill their kids, they should get the chair.

[abrahambivins]

awesome...

[hy6rids0ldi3r]

and i wonder why cant god heal amputees?

oh well miracles are limited i guess XD

[imthenoid69]

ha ha nice

[tulchess]

This is a horribly slanted news video.

[Tobsy1981]

How could you slant it any other way?

You should be shot.

[Imariscent]

You see the difference between the Travoltas and this family, In this case you see the religion and the family as neglectful here, and in the Travoltas and Scientology they brush it away.

[aajoeyjo]

This is like reason number 12 why I'm an Atheist. In no particular order, there are dozens of reasons, and it's mind-numbing how so many Christians just don't care about this happening. That'd be number 13.

[jasmilchrale]

this story is so sad. one because if the persons family believed in god why they did not believe god had provided a medical cure for them . when a medical cure appears for any disease we should be thankfull to god for that and for those who have spent their lives to find cures . we should thank god for them. ive been a christian 20 years and i will say i have seen few healings and many failures. i conclude that gods divine power is very very hard to access. people need to know that the reality.

[devante11]

@jasmilchrale

I quote you "when a medical cure appears for any disease we should be thankfull to god"

eh????thankful to a imaginary being........let me give you a quick example ...smallpox...killed hundreds of miilions...no god healed or made anything to cure them.....the only one who eradicated smallpox was man himself out of pure hardwork ...Infact science has doubled your lifespan..thus improving on any designer you are referring to....(cont)

[devante11]

@jasmilchrale

Thank Man ...Thank science...their the only ones to be thankful to .......you retard!



[jasmilchrale]

@devante11 does science cure everyone ? ive seen healings with my own eyes by faith in the name of jesus. look at "miracle Healing -a man walks away from a wheelchair" posted by styles 154 . for an example caught on camera!

if you dare !

[devante11]

@jasmilchrale

Science doesnt heal everyone, but it does a far better attempt and suceeds, than any imaginary god or gods can

smallpox one of mans biggest killers...killed hundreds upon hundreds of millions of children, babies and adults.....it wasnt until the advancements of medical science and science that man created out of painstakely researching and finally eradicated smallpox....and your imaginary god just looked on



[devante11]

@jasmilchrale

Or how about science doubling your lifespan..your living longer than you ever have. How about glasses and cateract operations.Early detecting of cancers and diseases so they can be caught early, treatments to control diabetes .My list is just endless

And all you come back with is a guy walks away from a wheelchair LMAO ever heard of misdiagnosis?

I like how discredit all man achievements

I could just come back with how about all those that have died in a wheelchair?

[jshec28]

@jasmilchrale If that guy really was properly diagnosed and really just healed, it probably was not a miracle, if anything it was a lucky coincidence or very good treatment. Most likely misdiagnosis.

Next argument: Great, one guy got healed. Millions upon millions of others don't. So one guy getting lucky and surviving supposedly because he prayed means it will work for everybody? I don't think so, not from what I've seen.

[jasmilchrale]

@jshec28 firstly ive shown you a miracle but your hard heart cannot except it because if you do you will have to except you are a sinner theres a god in heaven and your in trouble . so you make up a story in your mind so you can continue in your sin , and not repent. ]

ive seen healings with my own eyes not that you will except my word no doubt. but your comment about the boat is true, the cure was there they did not recieve it . because it didnt look divine .

[jshec28]

@jasmilchrale Ok, "firstly", learn English and maybe I'll take your post remotely seriously. Second, don't just assume something about me, you don't have a clue who I am so you can't possibly know if I'm a "sinner". I happen to come from a religious background that doesn't dwell on all the negatives like Christianity (what i've noticed is especially Catholicism) does, we don't even believe there is a Hell, so while there is sin, we don't focus very heavily on it.

[jshec28]

@jasmilchrale Also, I happen to be a realist. There is such a widespread knowledge of the human body and how it works, and there is so little proof that anything in the bible actually happened, that it only makes sense that I think of the bible as more of a guide. It's a nice rulebook. But even in medicine faith is important-- it's kind of like a placebo effect: People believe they will get better, and because of the lower level of stress their bodies can focus on getting better.

[jshec28]

@jshec28 of course my psychology theory is only a theory, nobody really knows exactly why people get better when they think they are getting better, especially since people who are actually diagnosed can not be considered hypochondriacs.

[jshec28]

@jasmilchrale Let me also add this story: There was a great flood, and a man was sitting on his roof, praying to God that he would be rescued. A man in a boat came by and offered help, but the man said "no, God will save me." So the boat went away. Next a helicopter came, but the man still refused. Finally another boat came by and the man still refused. The man eventually died, and when he asked God why he didn't save him God said "I sent two boats and a helicopter! You passed!"

[jshec28]

@jshec28 moral of the story is this: If you really want to look at it from a religious point of view, maybe think of it as God gave scientists the capacity to find cures to illnesses, so medicine can be holy. If there really is a divine plan, then the treatment will either work or it won't.

Then again, I'd go with something I can quantify over an invisible guy who I have no contact with any day.

[th3w01fv2]

Yet another proof of Religion being nothing more but a mental illness.

[jazzymojoe]

amen

[TheOpenminded12460]

@th3w01fv2 @TheOpenMinded12460 Child Marriage, and Polygamy will put you in Prison but, not this? (sarcastic) That makes sense. They won't allow Child Marraige but, they'll allow neglect.

[wahwahwahwahwahwah]

This Cult is disgrace.

[TheOpenminded12460]

@wahwahwahwahwahwah @TheOpenMinded12460 This Cult, is proof you don't need cyanide tainted grape Kool-Aid to die in a cult.