columbia disaster ...simple truth

[jwrx7tt01]

wouldn't this hole create heaps of drag during take off?

[amgen52]

@jwrx7tt01 No, the atmosphere was too thin at that point.

[Ferrariman601]

Or it was terrorism...

Which seems more likely to me considering debris used to hit the shuttle on launch all time time and nothing of the sort ever happened prior to that. Plus, the U.S. was about to invade Iraq at the time and the first ever Israeli astronaut was onboard.

Just a theory.

[adam3176]

Someone please make the clicking stop.. My head is about to explode

[mininow]

If the wing was breached, wouldn't hot air rushed in the fuel tanks and ignite the whole thing? Or desrupt aerodynamics, increased drag and caused all sorts of control issues?

[amgen52]

@mininow There are no fuel tanks inside the wings. The hole did cause control issues that were being counter acted by thrusters. The computer was still flying her at this point. This is normal during re-entry for the thrusters to maintain heading etc. Elevons and rudder are used farther into re-entry when the air is thicker.

[don312000]

@mininow All of a shuttle orbiter's onboard fuel supplies are kept in the OMS pods and in compartments beneath the payload bay. There aren't any tanks in the wings.

[rickcain2320]

We should have coordinated with Russia on launches, so a rescue mission(s) could be on standby. They can loft an empty TMA capsule that can bring down up to 3-4 astronauts in an emergency automatically.

[rickcain2320]

George W. Bush refused access to one of our spy satellites to inspect the damage remotely. The Columbia wasn't designed for spacewalk nor docking so the astronauts had no way of inspecting the wing.

[matrix49A]

@rickcain2320 The airforce has an airborne camera system that can inspect the wings (they use it to look at other nations satellites in orbit). You liberals really should grow up George Bush is not the catch all for everything bad or everything that goes wrong in the world.

[amgen52]

@rickcain2320 The crew could have done a space walk. A minimum of 2 EVA suits fly every mission including STS-107. Two crew are trained for EVA's every flight even if they are not to take place.

[matrix49A]

If anyone believes that NASA did not suspect that there was damage to the wing after day 2 you need to finish third grade and have a sit down with mommy about your future.

[rickcain2320]

@matrix49A

NASA engineers knew the moment the strike occurred, they even considered an abort.

[legion3721]

Concise report.....good job.

[TheChosenOneDR]

No conspiracy to this event???!! Boring... Is it possible that the astronauts of Columbia made contact with aliens and the government didn't want us to hear about it, so they decided to pull the plug on Columbia? :-) ..just saying.

[MrJJBandit]

Thank you to the families and friends of the astronauts that perished in this horrible accident. These are truly the finest, bravest, most intelligent people on the planet, that's quite a rare combination. I'm sorry for your loss. We all lost.

[MrJJBandit]

NASA knew about the foam strike. What strikes me as unconcionable is that they didn't order an inspection space walk. They have done this for tiles missing and even do the inspection backflip under the space station. A day or two after the launch I remember seeing a picture in the paper from a telescope that was uselessly grainy. We have telescopes that spy on other satelites and the resulution is unbelievable. I believe the facts were known but possible solutions deemed too costly. SHAME.

[eduardonyc]

@MrJJBandit Because they had installed spacelab in to the cargo bay there was no manipulator arm, also there were no planned spacewalks for this science mission and the proper equipment was not on board for them to go out and inspect. Also of note is the the view from the cabin windows, only CCP 12 and higher are viewable, and it was believed panel 8 or 9 was hit. FInally, many engineers assigned to review the strike of foam had requested photos, however upper management were getting mixed

[amgen52]

@eduardonyc What equipment was not on board to do a space walk ?

[eduardonyc]

Respond to this video... signals from certain team members. Some were saying it was "within family" event and foam could not penetrate the Carbon Carbon Panel but others on the team used a computer simulation program called Crater to test the impact and found that in simulations it most certainly did break thru. They sent requests for photo's and being that other members of the team declared it a non-issue, they requests were not sent to the military and no photo's were taken.

[eduardonyc]

Respond to this video... A fantastic book to read on this entire topic is Comm Check, The Final Flight of Shuttle Columbia by Michael Cabbage and William Harwood. Fascinating read.

[Thatboy1980]

it struck the bottom not the l.e.x like nasa said so this is hog wash how can it stop a meteorite at thousands but not foam at 530 mph

[enscroggs]

@Thatboy1980 The STS was always vulnerable to meteor strikes. All spacecraft are subject to impacts and many unmanned missions have been lost or compromised because of impacts. Micrometeoroids struck and damaged various shuttles, luckily none of these impacts caused fatal damage. The only real defense is that space is vast and the odds are long. Read up on the subject before posting next time. BTW, a meteorite is a rock of extraterrestrial origin found on Earth, not in one found in space.

[fldinosaur]

Yea maybe. Weird no one can answer why, if that hole was in the wing as it was flying through earth's atmosphere, why didn't the wing break apart as it was going up? In one Texas TV station video you can see the shuttle coming in on it's angle. All was well until you saw something come off the vehicle, close to where the wheel would be, NOT the leading edge of the wing. It was on TV once, then you never saw that video from that time again.

[anfnifarr]

@fldinosaur The climbing spacecraft travelled through progressively thinner air, so the compromised aerodynamics and shielding became less problematic. Even if heating had occurred the problem would have gone away the further Columbia rose. But as it re-entered it encountered progressively denser atmosphere, and the heat increased until the structure ultimately failed. The wing failed internally because that's where its structure is, the skin is for airflow and shielding, not structure.

[bfixit09]

Thanks. Very well done. It is unfortunate that it took this and Challenger's loss to wake up the powers that be to take more care of the people than the bottom line!

[mperhaps]

Thank you very much. Very informative. A tight, cogent video piece can be a thing beauty. Missing was all the usual self serving pretentious drivel one usually has to endure. Thanks for all your time and effort.

[10bill99]

Did the people survive

[stokieguy21]

A very good take on what happend. Nice one mate. And may the crew of columbia 2003 R.I.P

[WSD333]

Interesting coincidences about the shuttle columbia disaster. It burned up on the 33rd parallel, it happened on 2/1/03 (also 33). on this day there's 333 days left in the year. The shuttle was designated to land on runway 33 in florida. Was it an illuminati burnt offering?

[1bugriz1]

In addition to that..during re-entry the edges of the wing receives the hottest temperture at around 3000 deg. exactly seen during the test...during their takeoff they are doomed..

[plotchickens]

i get sexual pleasure from watching astrocunts die. is this normal?

[mperhaps]

@plotchickens Sadly it is the only true way to determine whether you are a patriotic American. I thought I'd experienced my last erection after the Challenger explosion and plane crashes are a poor substitutes. But 

ya if you love your country than, absolutely, this stuff should work better than Viagra.

[nadoeloiskat]

Next time use 1 inch thick carbon nanotube fiber.

No money for building it?

Stop waging wars.

[epistte]

@nadoeloiskat Did they even have the ability to make 1" thick nanotube in 2003? adding a 50% mix of Kevlar to the carbon /carbon would have helped but I'm not sure if Kevlar would have withstood the reentry heat. These kind of accidents make engineering a challenge. As difficult as the deaths are engineers must remain objective and not get caught up in the personalties.

[1shraddha1]

so sad :-(

[plotchickens]

i LOVE watching astrocunts die in space

[frankensteinmoneymac]

@plotchickens They didn't die in space...they died in Earth's atmosphere. Of course I doubt you have the intelligence to know the difference.

[nadoeloiskat]

@plotchickens They didnt die in space so no pleasure for you in this case.

[greetingsearthlings1]

this is a good video nicely put together. I don't get the ticking clock... thats pretty annoying.

[lobo25usn]

530mph, How did you came up with that number?

[1029384756bm]

As well, it would have been a huge embarrassment at the time to send a recue mission and a susequent repair and recovery mission which would have run in the billions. They rolled the dice and it cost innocent lives. Money seems to always be the bottom line. ET? Leave him out of this. He's a friendly little fella...

[centurion180ad]

@1029384756bm I dissagree with this analysis.

The ground based scumbag managers did not know the extent of any damage, and the crew was never told the truth of the danger. If money is the bottom line, the damn vehicle and the MASSIVE cost of training 14 astronauts (crew and a spare) warrants pretty much any expense.

Destruction of the vehicle and the 7 astronauts is worth //every// effort to see that it does not happen.

Instead the exact opposite happened, they said never mind.

[1029384756bm]

One problem. The damage replicated here was not noted during the space walk the astronauts made at the instruction of mission control when concerns arose about the impact. The astros. reported a few tiles loose and missing but the authorities on the ground concluded that the missing tiles would not be a donger during reentry. The leading edge was not reported to have been damaged in the least and that is obvious in the film of the actual impact which looks to have hit the bottom surface.

[roamingcroat]

@1029384756bm The astronauts did not perform a spacewalk. Part of the rationale for the managers in Houston to not request imagery of the leading edge was that there was nothing that could be done. There was also an analysis that indicated there was no safety of flight issue, but that, of course, was based on very limited data and poor modeling. Engineers had requested imagery, but were denied. The astronauts were informed of the impact and told it was not a concern. They never saw it.

[centurion180ad]

@roamingcroat Those managers are criminal in their negligence, and they ought to be in a prison. The Inquiry to this disaster revealed a culture of corruption & criminality. A civil suit by family members ought to personally strip those managers of every penny of their worth.

[centurion180ad]

@1029384756bm There was no space walk, and the astronauts were not told the truth that a very real danger of very bad damage existed.

[shakeAbooty88]

@1029384756bm You should be a lawyer.You made it all up. No space walk was performed. You're bullshitting.

[forever1drake]

we all know that the ufo of course vaporized it... think about it. why would there be a universe with infinite planets, galaxies, and stars; but with only 1 planet with life. Bull Shit

[junkification]

It wasn't foam, it was an ORB of alien origin that the shuttle smashed into! Otherwise, how could a chunk of foam appear forward of the spac shuttle's nose??

The booster rocket is NOT made out of heat-resistant foam shingles, only the shuttle has foam, therefore anyone with a slight bit of intelligence would see your foam theory is nonsense.

I go with the alien spacecraft theory, its much easier to believe once you know the facts!

This answer is hogwash!!

No wonder this video hasn't gone viral!!

[shakeAbooty88]

@junkification The booster rocket is covered with INSULATING foam, so that it doesn't ice up, because it contains liquid oxygen (-452 deg F) and liquid hydrogen (-434.65 deg) F in separate tanks.

The shuttle wings are not foam, they are reinforced carbon carbon.

[amgen52]

@shakeAbooty88 The booster rockets are steel casings. They do not contain liquid anything. Your mixing the orange external tank up with boosters. Just the leading edge of the wing is RCC. The rest is aluminum covered with tile and blankets.

[shakeAbooty88]

@amgen52 Sorry I knew it was the orange tank I misnamed it. My bad.

[shakeAbooty88]

@amgen52 And I meant the leading edges not the entire wing. I'm fully aware that if they were made entirely of rcc they'd fall apart, and that it's necessary to heat shield only where the air is compressed, and that 90% of the heat is generated by compression and only 10% by friction. I'm very well informed, I was just letting someone know a couple of points and maybe inspiring them to learn more, not sitting for an examination. Cheers anyway.

[amgen52]

@shakeAbooty88 Understand

[shakeAbooty88]

@amgen52 I read somewhere, might have been on this post but I've looked at so many lately, that you were involved in the shuttle program for 25 years. That must have been a buzz, even with the very sad things that happened. Power to you.

[amgen52]

@shakeAbooty88 Not involved, but actually worked on them everyday. Many thousands of ppl were involved but never actually saw one or touched one. Even at KSC, only a few hundred actually got in them or around them everyday. Best job I ever had or will have.

[junkification]

@shakeAbooty88

Are you absolutely positive about that? Do you have any proof?

Because now, having just re-reviewed this footage, I am even more convinced that it was one of those transdimensional alien space crafts that have routinely buzzed these Space Shuttles, otherwise this entire video is a fraud.

Clearly there's no other logical explanation that more closely describes the footage, if its not an alien craft of unknown origin, then the footage is a has been photoshopped.

[jherc]

RIP to all astronauts and cosmonauts that have sacrificed their lives for mankind

====The scientifc findings are not shared among mankind. So u can't really said that.

[IWOP1]

This is bunk..HAARP was the cause of that crash

[messerJ4H]

My question is: Why NASA didn't react if they noticed that foam accident? Couldn't they repair this ship in space?

[Axidy]

nice song choice brah

[Ormaaj]

3 minutes of clock ticking song yay!

[ericrich2000]

@Ormaaj haha good one

[JoanCollins2009]

to the poor soul's in the craft ...

[noriday1]

God has created a chain of events to one's death...

[djbuckendahl]

didn't any one take into consideration the movie space cowboys and how the shuttle was nothing but a "flying brick" after a catastophic failure and this movie came out two years before the Columbia disaster. Hmmm.... forshadowed event or conspiacy???

[TemplarVision]

If the 'black boxes' used to record flight data for commercial airlines are virtually indestructible, then why won't NASA invest in an internal capsule structure for the astronaut's safety during lift off and re-entry, made of 'black box' material and fitted with emergency shutes? Its not a crazy notion given that NASA relied entirely on faulty data from the CRATER program that detailed impact experiments of tiny pieces of foam and never considered what a large piece could do to the 'tiles'

[roamingcroat]

@TemplarVision The CRATER results for the large piece of foam indicated that tiles would be completely penetrated by the foam. NASA management steered the team to conclude that CRATER was overly conservative and did not take into account the denser tile layer near the foam. CRATER, though operating well outside its intended regime, gave a reasonable result, but NASA elected to ignore the analysis in favor of engineering judgement. If it weren't so tragic, it really would have been comedic.

[robyablind]

@TemplarVision late reply, but here is your answer. black box isn't a human, A nice little container wouldn't be much use because the G-force of being spun , violently thrown about would kill you instantly. the space shuttles travel up to speeds of 17,500mph.. no chance of survival. cost > payload and crew. RIP to all astronauts and cosmonauts that have sacrificed their lives for mankind

[TemplarVision]

If the 'black boxes' used to record flight data for commercial airlines are virtually indestrucable, then why won't NASA invest in an internal capsule structure for the astronaut's safety, made of 'black box' material and fitted with emergency shutes? Its not a crazy notion given that NASA relied entirely on faulty data from the CRATER program that detailed impact experiments of tiny pieces of foam and never considered what a large piece could do to the 'tiles'

[EddieTheBigMonster]

there is a fact, which is not mentioned... that reinforced carbon broke after a month of intensive borbardment at different angles

[steve7onfire]

Mate, well done......

[DIMATIF]

the ticking really got to me .__.

[flashfast2000]

simple truth. the nut job ufo types will hate it.

[FORDGTFANATIC]

ohh god.. now we have to worry about flying foam!

[rogueJ]

saw both your vids. on Space Shuttle Columbia disaster..well done...

[nathanfishing3000]

thanks alot fuel tank

[daleetMeh]

It makes me happy to see that it didn't cause immediate problems some 80 seconds into launch. At least those 7 men and women got to go up into space one last time.

[OK2BCK]

Anyone has any idea what would happened if they did found the damage when up in orbit? That would be a horrible trap! No way to get down! Cool video btw, thank you.

[wwazman]

the ticking is very annoying.

[phuckizlam]

Too bad a piece of 'foam' can't strike the wing of 'islam'.

[GONECRUISING72]

so did they really now the shuttle was damaged beyond repair. how horrible. if true.. take no offense to the if true part. i have never heard this before that they knew.....

[carig12]

so the crew was aware that all will die long before returning to earth, because they were advised by ground specialists of this damage beyond repair, must have been horrible days or hours for them

[LukasFin]

Lodgically so it happened. Tested and proved!

[noblewulfff]

gosh darnit i always knew we could trust nasa

[OK2BCK]

@noblewulfff LOL yeah, for sure

[IJariJuniorI]

DAAMMNN boring tictac

[wwefan774977]

wouldent they hear a boom from the foam hitting

[btardwannabe]

First of all, the rocket itself is unbelievably loud. Second, I believe they were going faster than sound at this point, so I don't believe they would have heard a strike on the wing all the way in the crew cabin.

[MegaEpictroll]

not over the sound of the biggest rocket on earth

[darkknightbob101]

possibly. but bear in mind the volume of the rockets and the general rattling. besides they were asked to check it out when they were up there.

[Daireishi]

Yes, I'm sure they would hear a small piece of foam hitting a wing over the ~3 million pounds of thrust each solid state booster is putting out.

[Esodua]

as the rest already stated, the rocket itself is incredibly loud. that's one of the reasons the starting site is being cleared beforehand.

this video gives you a feeling for how loud it is: /watch?v=xsRuJ37kyZg

(take in count the microphones that probably didn't catch the full scale)

[Aleglost]

hounor and valor ur lifes will not be forgotten u make us all proud to be a human

[Die4Pleasure]

To the men and women who were in that shuttle, I say : Your courage will never be forgotten, you are the explorer of space, you worked and sacrificed your lifes to improve humanity and we are all proud of you.

[nils4545]

Personally I think that both challenger and columbia where big mistakes by NASA. NASA didnt even check the damage out when they knew it was hit. bad bad bad. If I was the one killed or a family member I would sue.

[ThyHolySpork]

It's not like they ignored it completely, they were just mistaken as to the severity. Suing wouldn't bring the "family member" back, and you "family member" was aware of the great danger and they themselves would have chosen to embark on the mission irregardless.

[nils4545]

Well, I think it was stated as a mistake in the report, Im not sure. And its never about getting a family member back, its about mistakes. If someone makes a mistake and humanlifes is involved, actions need to be taken.

[ThyHolySpork]

Let's say this happened and you did sue. You got some money. Now what?

[nils4545]

Then I would have alot of money. Well, You have understand that sometimes you have to sue because it leads more then just you getting money. Best example I can get is Plane craches were parents sues. Investigations needs to take place on diffrent subjects. Companyes future, safety and so an. Thats why people suggest people to sue.

[ThyHolySpork]

NASA already wrote a report. The second after it happened they were investigating. Them paying people random sums of money will change what happened, or the fact that they were already taking care of it.

[nils4545]

I dont understand if you are asking a question or not.

[baruff67]

If you were the one killed who do you file the claim with? the geico gecko in the sky???

[elmalacopa]

i have to say, you did a great job, thanks for sharing this video

[antimatterXXXIII]

Nice video, nice synopsis.

-drl

[uzebdrumz]

...or there was a man on the wing of the plane...

(classic Twilight Zone episode "Nightmare At 20000 Feet", starring William Shatner)

[ieau42]

Sad times. I feel sorry for those brave astronauts and their families.

[firemario117]

challenger disaster could have been avioded if it wasnt luanched at 51 degrees in a morning

[exopol]

Nicely put together.

Did you do that recently? I just added the documentary on Columbia to a busy torrent site??

Although the foam strike maybe correct for that incident - the challenger disaster is not as clear cut in my view.

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[x24val]

yes ...just recently. Cuz people don't seem to know why it happened and the poliforation of whack job UFO based theories.

Challenger? Makes sense to me. O-Rings on the SRBs got too cold, lost resiliency. A burn through happened, which acted as a SRB blow torch to the external tank ...BOOM!

[exopol]

I think as you spend more time in this area you'll find that many of those ideas you think are "whack job" UFO wise are in fact closer to the mark than people think.

[x24val]

Not any of them pertaining to Columbia ...or Challenger for that matter.

The facts for both are ever so clear. Only those that "want" it to be exotic subscribe.

[djmike303]

for nasa, to sold the problem, all the videos of the departure are watched and a complete analyse by ubble telescop is realize to see if the space shuttle is in correct condition before returning on earth.

mike303

[Keyo717]

@exopol Don't bother he's never going to get it. We know that UFO's had nothing to do with this crash however for this guy to call the people that believe that UFO's or life on other worlds "whack Jobs" just shows what a moron he is. I sometimes wonder if people like him are truly that stupid or if they are afraid.

[Orion13622]

@exopol Challanger disaster was due to faulty o-ring in one of the SRB's (Solid Rocket Booster) which actually engulfed the shuttle, ignighting the main fuel tank, thus causing the explosion of the space craft. Similar concept, with the exception that the piece that was shot away from the SRB hit the main fuel tank, causing the explosion...instantly.

[Terceira73]

@Orion13622 I saw this in a dream 3wks b4 it happened.