Looks like the cartoon was the only "Time Line" to hold true to the Original book. Written by the creator of this hella cool story. I have been a apes fan since I was a little boy and read the book 30 years after watching the movies and tv show. It was kinda cool and strange how different. Any huge fans out there that loved the movies I recommend the book.
In 'Escape' Cornelius and Zira arrive in Col. Taylor's spaceship, the Army reconnizes it. Zira admitted to knowing Taylor. Wouldn't this link 'Escape' with the two earlier movies ?
@CreepysFan It does, but that wasn't my point. The original timeline may have looked something like "Rise of the Planet of the Apes" where Caesar came into being by another means, and the Escape storyline created a new timeline. The main reason I reject the idea that it was all a loop and time paradox is that a loop was not the intent when the first two movies were filmed - Escape was instead a retcon.
seriously?!? this is not that hard. it is one timeline
**going forward in time: the (original) nuclear war (while the astronauts were in 'hyper-sleep') destroyed everything, and essentially re-started evolution. apes evolved to be more intelligent. it's at this point that the astronauts (re-)land on earth
**going backward in time: the apes escape the planet (into the past). ceaser grows up and causes a nuclear war (which happens while the astronauts are in hyper-sleep)
It's not that hard if you buy that scenario. I don't --- there was a prime mover, an original timeline where the Apes took over that pre-existed the time travelling. And, that original timeline may have looked something like "Rise." The reason I think this, is that the time loop was a later addition to the Apes storyline after the fact to keep the franchise moving, not a nifty story arc planned from the start. It's a retcon.
Very impressive mokwella! Especially since that's just about what I have been saying all along, that there are at least 2 timelines, that create one another as oppossed to everything on one timeline which is a paradox. Said later theory supported by the Marvel, Adventure and now BOOM comics adaptaions which were based on the 5 orginal movies. BTW, Rise of the POTA can be its own timeline OR a prequel to Tim Burton's remake in 2001 it's how you want to interpret.
I think you should update this now that the movie's out and there's the Boom! comic.
The new Caesar is the son of a genetically altered chimp called Blue Eyes, who was used as a test subject for a possible alzheimer's cure. He is taken home by a scientist after the program folds, and raised for a while, then revolts after he's sent to a sanctuary that's actually a bad place.
@ChicagoMel23 it is petty I know but her name was in fact Bright Eyes, a link to Zira's name for Taylor in Planet of the Apes (1968). Blue eyes is the name Zira gives to Bill in the television series.
I hate the 500 character limit to comments on youtube - makes it almost impossible to make any intelligent comments. I had to leave a lot out of my timeline such as the wars between the Mutant factions. The Mutant faction in control of the Alpha Omega bomb actually lost the Mutant wars and had to escape through the old subway tunnels. They evolved through 2000 years of radioactive contamination to be able to use telepathy. *sigh* so much more i could say, but yet again out of space. Thats all.
1. Original timeline - cats and dogs killed by virus and apes taken as pets.
2. 200 years later apes become slaves.
3. 300 years later the first Ape speaks (Aldo) and begins a revolution.
4. Nothing else is known of this timeline until ~2000 years later when an ape war begins. Zira, Cornelius, and another ape escape the destruction of Earth and travel back in time.
5. The future is changed, Milo is born (later to be called Caesar).
ok ive been watching all the movies/shows i can but there is 1 that i remember seeing on tv and i didint watch the whole thing just a small part and it was a newer 1 and the part i remember is the big bad guy was a all black gorilla with a hat alot like the lead gorilla from the tv show and the humans where eatting rabbits can any1 tell me what that 1 is
but if each trip changes the other then there is just a loop 2 the point where everything is just a retarted mess because the outcome would multiply..so lets hope time traval isint possible
The Only Timeline that matters is the one that starts with Taylor and the other two astronauts landing on that "foregin Planet" which of course is Earth in the year 3 thousand something... we find out in the end that the planet is actually post-apocalyptic Earth.... In the next movie Cornelius and the Pregnant female Ape time travel into the 1970's ... The baby ends up being Ceasar, the Ape that eventually leads the Ape revolution in the following sequels.....
@Playboyy1985 .... We get to see in Beneath the planet of the apes how everything is going to end ... Doomsday bomb is activated and all life on earth is destroyed. So basically the whole Ape revolution was started when Taylor and his crew landed on earth in 3978 and changing the past by allowing Cornelius, Zira and baby Ceasar to repair the spaceship and time travel into 1970's earth were everything is set in motion ....Ape revolution led by ceasar, Nuclear battle, etc
With the new rise of the planet of the apes i think they are going to show the uprise of the apes in the original timeline before the first film thus breaking the circular timeline theory explained in the later films
There is one thing missing in the second timeline. Toward the end of "Battle", Mendez says that the alpha and omega bomb must be venerated(worshiped) for it is what had made them and what that would be called is "beautiful", laying the groundwork for the mutant society in "Beneath".
While you can make the argument that the two TV series and the reboot movies are all different timelines; the original movie series is not two timelines. According to the writer, Paul Dehn, the 5 films of the original series represent one circular timeline or time circle.
Yes, I agree that's what Paul Dehn was trying to do. Still the movies do not follow a consistent time line for me. I guess another way to split them up would be to have the "Serling" timeline with just the first movie and the "Dehn" timeline with the other four. It seems clear to me that the original concept was for the Ape society to have evolved slowly after the atomic war, and Dehn moved that up in his conception.
@mokwella Maybe so, but as far as the "Serling", if the apes evolved slowly after the atomic war; how does Dr. Zaius know about it? Plus, the "Serling" timeline indicates that the atomic war took place in the 20th century, that is perfectly consistent with what is depicted in the later films.
Any discrepancy is typical of what happens when a series grows out of a single film. Who would have thought Leia was Luke's sister after seeing the first Star Wars movie?
Actually the original 5 movies DO NOT follow a time loop OR a solid time line. This is evident when Zira and Cornelius give the ape pre-history to the Dr. in Escape from the Planet of the Apes movie. They say that after the virus which killed cats and dogs it was another 200 years before apes became slaves. Then it was another 300 years before the first ape, named Aldo, spoke. Then the apes revolted. They changed the time line by going back and having a child.
@anonymous3227 "They say that after the virus which killed cats and dogs it was another 200 years before apes became slaves. Then it was another 300 years before the first ape, named Aldo, spoke."
The critical words here are "They say". The audience never sees these events nor did Zira and Cornelius, so they can't be deemed as 100% accurate especially since the 500 year timeframe given is at odds with what was established in the first two films.
After their child was born, whom Zira and Cornelius named Milo (not Caesar), it was only 8 years before Milo was captured and was GIVEN the name of Caesar. The newly named Caesar advanced the time line by 500 years because he was able to lead the still unintelligent apes in a revolt to escape from San Francisco. Then the humans annihilated themselves in a nuclear war which allowed the apes to build their own civilization.
I can give you good websites which explain this if you want.
@anonymous3227 The 500 year timeframe contradicts everything established in the first two films as well as Cornelius' statement that Apes had been speaking english for 2,000 years. Since the audience and the characters relating these events never witness them, they can't be viewed as totally accurate and don't override what was presented in the previous films.
Plus if your refering to the Caesar in Conquest, that film took place on the east coast, not in San Francisco.
@JamesA1102 You're right there James, people forget that the buried New York that Brent descovers is very 20th century! A 20th century phone booth, 20th century street signs and a half buried bus outside the library! Even the Beneath press book of the time clearly states that the Earth was destroyed by nuclear war in the 20th century! As for the 1974 live action TV series, Stan Hough made it quite clear in 1974 that the TV series had nothing to do with the 5 films canon and was a total reboot.
@GenesisApes I like you noticed the 20th century phone booth, signs etc, but just figured that this was one thing that the movie staff just gave up on instead of trying to show a 27th century Earth for example. I figured that the directors and producers hoped no one would notice. Just as in the last movie as well.. "Battle for the Planet of the Apes". The last Human army heads odd to war in a 1960's school bus and other old vehicles.
@pepjrp According to the script for Beneath, Mendez I was noted to have ruled starting in 1997 so they weren't trying to show a 27th century earth. They were clearly showing that human civilization was destroyed in the 20th century.
@JamesA1102 Thank you, but I thought when Cornelius was being interrogated by the CIA in "Escape from the Planet of the Apes", he stated that slavery started in the 1990's, but that it was a few centuries later before the first ape evolved and spoke the word that was recorded in their scrolls as he said, "No".
@pepjrp He didn't say when it started but he did say that took centuries. But that is inconsistant with what was established in the previous films and is never witnessed by the audience nor were the events he spoke of witnessed by Cornelius. Thus, it is hearsay at best and can't be considered as being accurate.
@JamesA1102 Since the original timeline had no Caesar in it, it took longer for the apes to evolve with no leader, but the appearance of Caesar sped the uprising to be sooner, the 1990's, since the fact that Cornelius and Zira going back in time changed the original earth history.
@pepjrp Where does it say that there was no Caesar? What line of dialogue directly states that C&Z changed original earth history by going back in time? You should read the screenwriter's views on the subject.
@JamesA1102 Thanks James as I would love to read that. I meant that there was no Caesar in the original Earth time line... meaning the earth that Taylor landed on in 3955 where humans were mute. The Dr. Milo, Zira and Cornelius escaped earth and when the Earth was destroyed, their ship was jolted back in time to 1973. This changed the history as now Zira had her baby Milo, (later named Cesar). Cesar now existed to lead the revolt in 1991.
@pepjrp In Earths original history, there was no Cesar to lead the revolt as his parents would not be born for nearly 200 years. So I believed that it took a few centuries for a different leader, Aldo to come to power and lead the uprising. That is why some of us on here, thought the original revolt happened in the 25th century.. give or take a century or two. An I way off?
@pepjrp Yes you are. The first two flims clearly establish that the nuclear war that destroyed man's civilization happened in the 20th century, not the 25th.
Second, Cornelius didn't say Aldo lead the revolt just that he was the first ape to say no. But the audience nor Cornelius actually witness the event so it can't be considered as rock solid accurate.
@JamesA1102 I agree James that the first 2 films do show that it must have happened in the 20th century as we see part of a payphone that Astronaut Brent finds in the underground tunnels as well as a large public bus... but what made me think it was a few centuries later when the original revolt happened was because Cornelius, while being interrogated by our government officials, stated that it took a few centuries later for Aldo to first say no.
@pepjrp But Cornelius was just quoting from a history text. He didn't witness those events himself nor does the audience. In Planet it is shown that the Apes history is not 100% accurate, so what Cornelius said can't be taken as rock solid. It conflicts with what was established in the first two films and with Cornelius' earlier statement in Escape that Apes had been speaking English for 2,000 years.
@pepjrp In Earths original history, there was no Cesar to lead the revolt as his parents would not be born for nearly 200 years. So I believed that it took a few centuries for a different leader, Aldo to come to power and lead the uprising. That is why some of us on here, thought the original revolt happened in the 25th century.. give or take a century or two. An I way off?
@GenesisApes Yet there would have been ones much newer for them to use. I realize that this was actually the 1970's and there were no 1990 vehicles to use, but they could have come up with some sort of created futuristic looking vehicles, etc.
@JamesA1102 ..hi there,just seen the rise of the planet ota.Would you say that represents well how it all started and fits in to the timeline ?....ive just read some of the other update comments...my brain hurts lol !!
@ScreenHackTV Except that audience doesn't actually see if what Cornelius said was really the truth. Nor did Cornelius witness the event. He's quoting from a history text that could have been altered or was just wrong. Plus that whole part of Cornelius' testimony is inconsistant with everything established in the first two films as well as Cornelius' earlier statement that ape had been speaking english for nearly 2,000 years.
@JamesA1102 well i have the 40th aniversary blu ray edition and with it comes a picture which shows that there are multiple time lines telling you everything that happened at what time so sorry man
@ScreenHackTV Well the writer of the films, Paul Dehn, says different. I'll go with him rather than the packaging of the Blu-Ray discs done 40 years after the fact.
I really should have watched the whole thing before commenting, then I could have put it all in one box. Sorry about that.
Anyway, I don't think the end of the Burton movie introduced a new timeline; it just meant that Thade got to Earth ahead of Davidson and took over the joint-- reminiscent of the Boulle novel.
A very succinct and well-thought-out summation! The read-along records you mention are simplified adaptations of the first, second, third, and fifth movies, so technically they can be said to depict the same continuities.
The Alpha-Omega bomb,originally stored in the vaults of a San Francisco missile complex and cherished by twenty generations of the House of Mendez,is detonated while in Saint Patrick's Cathedral in the ruins of New York City.The end of everything.A catalytic reaction spreads across the globe in minutes.Shockwaves of the blast are sent into space and strike the spacecraft containing Doctors Milo, Cornelius and Zira.The ship is thrown into a timewarp, cast back to.(Beneath the Planet of the Apes)
It wasn't a normal nuclear weapon. It was the Alpha Omega bomb with a cobalt casing! According to Taylor and Brent it was designed to start a chain reaction in the atmosphere of Earth, igniting the entire planet, and thereby destroying it.
AHH BUT THERES TWO FOCUS POINTS IN ALL THIS FIRSTLY TAYLOR DOESNT HAVE TO GO ON THE MISSION BUT MAIN FOCUS POINT IS WEN THE PLANET IS DESTROYED IN THE FUTURE THE ENERGY CREATES A RIP IN THE FABRIC OF REALITY WHERE ALL PARELEL S AND TIME LINE MEET OR BREAK OFF OR YOU COULD SAY A DOOR WAY AND DONT FOR GET THERES A TIME LOOP INVOLVED I KNOW THAT GETS BROKEN AND NEW FUTURES GET CREATED BUT AL THIS COMES FROM ONE EVENT TO CREAT ALL THE OTHER EVENTS
These are all included in Hasslein Books' reference publications - "Timeline of the Planet of the Apes" and the newly released "Lexicon of the Planet of the Apes".
The animated TV cartoon could follow on from the live action TV series, with the Apes being more technically developed a few hundred years later. Assuming that the events of the last 3 movies cancel out the destruction of Earth in the second film...I think! :D
@Oilyrag1963 The animated show was the first opportunity to write the "industrialized apes" angle into the cannon from the original book, since the movies and the TV show used the less advanced apes image to cut costs for set design.
Looks like the cartoon was the only "Time Line" to hold true to the Original book. Written by the creator of this hella cool story. I have been a apes fan since I was a little boy and read the book 30 years after watching the movies and tv show. It was kinda cool and strange how different. Any huge fans out there that loved the movies I recommend the book.
TheKMFDMmachine 2 weeks ago
In 'Escape' Cornelius and Zira arrive in Col. Taylor's spaceship, the Army reconnizes it. Zira admitted to knowing Taylor. Wouldn't this link 'Escape' with the two earlier movies ?
CreepysFan 2 weeks ago
@CreepysFan It does, but that wasn't my point. The original timeline may have looked something like "Rise of the Planet of the Apes" where Caesar came into being by another means, and the Escape storyline created a new timeline. The main reason I reject the idea that it was all a loop and time paradox is that a loop was not the intent when the first two movies were filmed - Escape was instead a retcon.
mokwella 2 weeks ago
seriously?!? this is not that hard. it is one timeline
**going forward in time: the (original) nuclear war (while the astronauts were in 'hyper-sleep') destroyed everything, and essentially re-started evolution. apes evolved to be more intelligent. it's at this point that the astronauts (re-)land on earth
**going backward in time: the apes escape the planet (into the past). ceaser grows up and causes a nuclear war (which happens while the astronauts are in hyper-sleep)
**it's a circle.
tripphop1 5 months ago
It's not that hard if you buy that scenario. I don't --- there was a prime mover, an original timeline where the Apes took over that pre-existed the time travelling. And, that original timeline may have looked something like "Rise." The reason I think this, is that the time loop was a later addition to the Apes storyline after the fact to keep the franchise moving, not a nifty story arc planned from the start. It's a retcon.
mokwella 2 weeks ago
Very impressive mokwella! Especially since that's just about what I have been saying all along, that there are at least 2 timelines, that create one another as oppossed to everything on one timeline which is a paradox. Said later theory supported by the Marvel, Adventure and now BOOM comics adaptaions which were based on the 5 orginal movies. BTW, Rise of the POTA can be its own timeline OR a prequel to Tim Burton's remake in 2001 it's how you want to interpret.
srb9 5 months ago
What about the simpsons timeline?
franciscodudeful 6 months ago
I think you should update this now that the movie's out and there's the Boom! comic.
The new Caesar is the son of a genetically altered chimp called Blue Eyes, who was used as a test subject for a possible alzheimer's cure. He is taken home by a scientist after the program folds, and raised for a while, then revolts after he's sent to a sanctuary that's actually a bad place.
ChicagoMel23 6 months ago
@ChicagoMel23 it is petty I know but her name was in fact Bright Eyes, a link to Zira's name for Taylor in Planet of the Apes (1968). Blue eyes is the name Zira gives to Bill in the television series.
Jimawamba 6 months ago
I hate the 500 character limit to comments on youtube - makes it almost impossible to make any intelligent comments. I had to leave a lot out of my timeline such as the wars between the Mutant factions. The Mutant faction in control of the Alpha Omega bomb actually lost the Mutant wars and had to escape through the old subway tunnels. They evolved through 2000 years of radioactive contamination to be able to use telepathy. *sigh* so much more i could say, but yet again out of space. Thats all.
anonymous3227 6 months ago
Continued timeline:
6. Eight years later Milo (Caesar) leads a revolution in a city and leads those apes to freedom.
7. Undisclosed time after that a nuclear war breaks out destroying all major human cities.
8. Apes rise to power and begin their own civilization.
9. ~2000 years later humans have lost ability of logical thought and speech and apes rule the planet.
10. Taylor (and crew) and Brent (and skipper) land.
11. Alpha Omega is activated.
I do not believe anyone escaped planet this time.
anonymous3227 6 months ago
Timeline:
1. Original timeline - cats and dogs killed by virus and apes taken as pets.
2. 200 years later apes become slaves.
3. 300 years later the first Ape speaks (Aldo) and begins a revolution.
4. Nothing else is known of this timeline until ~2000 years later when an ape war begins. Zira, Cornelius, and another ape escape the destruction of Earth and travel back in time.
5. The future is changed, Milo is born (later to be called Caesar).
continued in next post...
anonymous3227 6 months ago
ok ive been watching all the movies/shows i can but there is 1 that i remember seeing on tv and i didint watch the whole thing just a small part and it was a newer 1 and the part i remember is the big bad guy was a all black gorilla with a hat alot like the lead gorilla from the tv show and the humans where eatting rabbits can any1 tell me what that 1 is
ghosty1490 6 months ago
but if each trip changes the other then there is just a loop 2 the point where everything is just a retarted mess because the outcome would multiply..so lets hope time traval isint possible
ghosty1490 6 months ago
The Only Timeline that matters is the one that starts with Taylor and the other two astronauts landing on that "foregin Planet" which of course is Earth in the year 3 thousand something... we find out in the end that the planet is actually post-apocalyptic Earth.... In the next movie Cornelius and the Pregnant female Ape time travel into the 1970's ... The baby ends up being Ceasar, the Ape that eventually leads the Ape revolution in the following sequels.....
Playboyy1985 7 months ago
@Playboyy1985 .... We get to see in Beneath the planet of the apes how everything is going to end ... Doomsday bomb is activated and all life on earth is destroyed. So basically the whole Ape revolution was started when Taylor and his crew landed on earth in 3978 and changing the past by allowing Cornelius, Zira and baby Ceasar to repair the spaceship and time travel into 1970's earth were everything is set in motion ....Ape revolution led by ceasar, Nuclear battle, etc
Playboyy1985 7 months ago
Lol. I had no idea the planet of the apes universe was so big and intrusting.
gipro1 7 months ago
With the new rise of the planet of the apes i think they are going to show the uprise of the apes in the original timeline before the first film thus breaking the circular timeline theory explained in the later films
thekingsean92 7 months ago
There is one thing missing in the second timeline. Toward the end of "Battle", Mendez says that the alpha and omega bomb must be venerated(worshiped) for it is what had made them and what that would be called is "beautiful", laying the groundwork for the mutant society in "Beneath".
hairbandfan1967 8 months ago
I would like to know how Ape Lincoln came into being in the Burton movie!
JENDALL714 9 months ago
While you can make the argument that the two TV series and the reboot movies are all different timelines; the original movie series is not two timelines. According to the writer, Paul Dehn, the 5 films of the original series represent one circular timeline or time circle.
JamesA1102 9 months ago 10
Yes, I agree that's what Paul Dehn was trying to do. Still the movies do not follow a consistent time line for me. I guess another way to split them up would be to have the "Serling" timeline with just the first movie and the "Dehn" timeline with the other four. It seems clear to me that the original concept was for the Ape society to have evolved slowly after the atomic war, and Dehn moved that up in his conception.
mokwella 9 months ago
@mokwella Maybe so, but as far as the "Serling", if the apes evolved slowly after the atomic war; how does Dr. Zaius know about it? Plus, the "Serling" timeline indicates that the atomic war took place in the 20th century, that is perfectly consistent with what is depicted in the later films.
Any discrepancy is typical of what happens when a series grows out of a single film. Who would have thought Leia was Luke's sister after seeing the first Star Wars movie?
JamesA1102 9 months ago 9
@mokwella
Actually the original 5 movies DO NOT follow a time loop OR a solid time line. This is evident when Zira and Cornelius give the ape pre-history to the Dr. in Escape from the Planet of the Apes movie. They say that after the virus which killed cats and dogs it was another 200 years before apes became slaves. Then it was another 300 years before the first ape, named Aldo, spoke. Then the apes revolted. They changed the time line by going back and having a child.
anonymous3227 6 months ago
@anonymous3227 "They say that after the virus which killed cats and dogs it was another 200 years before apes became slaves. Then it was another 300 years before the first ape, named Aldo, spoke."
The critical words here are "They say". The audience never sees these events nor did Zira and Cornelius, so they can't be deemed as 100% accurate especially since the 500 year timeframe given is at odds with what was established in the first two films.
JamesA1102 3 months ago
@mokwella
After their child was born, whom Zira and Cornelius named Milo (not Caesar), it was only 8 years before Milo was captured and was GIVEN the name of Caesar. The newly named Caesar advanced the time line by 500 years because he was able to lead the still unintelligent apes in a revolt to escape from San Francisco. Then the humans annihilated themselves in a nuclear war which allowed the apes to build their own civilization.
I can give you good websites which explain this if you want.
anonymous3227 6 months ago
@anonymous3227 The 500 year timeframe contradicts everything established in the first two films as well as Cornelius' statement that Apes had been speaking english for 2,000 years. Since the audience and the characters relating these events never witness them, they can't be viewed as totally accurate and don't override what was presented in the previous films.
Plus if your refering to the Caesar in Conquest, that film took place on the east coast, not in San Francisco.
JamesA1102 3 months ago
@JamesA1102 You're right there James, people forget that the buried New York that Brent descovers is very 20th century! A 20th century phone booth, 20th century street signs and a half buried bus outside the library! Even the Beneath press book of the time clearly states that the Earth was destroyed by nuclear war in the 20th century! As for the 1974 live action TV series, Stan Hough made it quite clear in 1974 that the TV series had nothing to do with the 5 films canon and was a total reboot.
GenesisApes 8 months ago 2
@GenesisApes I like you noticed the 20th century phone booth, signs etc, but just figured that this was one thing that the movie staff just gave up on instead of trying to show a 27th century Earth for example. I figured that the directors and producers hoped no one would notice. Just as in the last movie as well.. "Battle for the Planet of the Apes". The last Human army heads odd to war in a 1960's school bus and other old vehicles.
pepjrp 6 months ago
@pepjrp According to the script for Beneath, Mendez I was noted to have ruled starting in 1997 so they weren't trying to show a 27th century earth. They were clearly showing that human civilization was destroyed in the 20th century.
JamesA1102 3 months ago
@JamesA1102 Thank you, but I thought when Cornelius was being interrogated by the CIA in "Escape from the Planet of the Apes", he stated that slavery started in the 1990's, but that it was a few centuries later before the first ape evolved and spoke the word that was recorded in their scrolls as he said, "No".
pepjrp 3 months ago
@pepjrp He didn't say when it started but he did say that took centuries. But that is inconsistant with what was established in the previous films and is never witnessed by the audience nor were the events he spoke of witnessed by Cornelius. Thus, it is hearsay at best and can't be considered as being accurate.
JamesA1102 3 months ago
@JamesA1102 Since the original timeline had no Caesar in it, it took longer for the apes to evolve with no leader, but the appearance of Caesar sped the uprising to be sooner, the 1990's, since the fact that Cornelius and Zira going back in time changed the original earth history.
pepjrp 3 months ago
@pepjrp Where does it say that there was no Caesar? What line of dialogue directly states that C&Z changed original earth history by going back in time? You should read the screenwriter's views on the subject.
JamesA1102 3 months ago
@JamesA1102 Thanks James as I would love to read that. I meant that there was no Caesar in the original Earth time line... meaning the earth that Taylor landed on in 3955 where humans were mute. The Dr. Milo, Zira and Cornelius escaped earth and when the Earth was destroyed, their ship was jolted back in time to 1973. This changed the history as now Zira had her baby Milo, (later named Cesar). Cesar now existed to lead the revolt in 1991.
pepjrp 3 months ago
@pepjrp In Earths original history, there was no Cesar to lead the revolt as his parents would not be born for nearly 200 years. So I believed that it took a few centuries for a different leader, Aldo to come to power and lead the uprising. That is why some of us on here, thought the original revolt happened in the 25th century.. give or take a century or two. An I way off?
pepjrp 3 months ago
@pepjrp According to Paul Dehn, the screenwriter, you are way off. He stated in interviews at the time that the story he was writing was a time loop.
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JamesA1102 3 months ago
@pepjrp Yes you are. The first two flims clearly establish that the nuclear war that destroyed man's civilization happened in the 20th century, not the 25th.
Second, Cornelius didn't say Aldo lead the revolt just that he was the first ape to say no. But the audience nor Cornelius actually witness the event so it can't be considered as rock solid accurate.
JamesA1102 2 months ago
@JamesA1102 I agree James that the first 2 films do show that it must have happened in the 20th century as we see part of a payphone that Astronaut Brent finds in the underground tunnels as well as a large public bus... but what made me think it was a few centuries later when the original revolt happened was because Cornelius, while being interrogated by our government officials, stated that it took a few centuries later for Aldo to first say no.
pepjrp 2 months ago
@pepjrp And we do know that the enslavement of apes did not even occur until the late 20th century.
pepjrp 2 months ago
@pepjrp But Cornelius was just quoting from a history text. He didn't witness those events himself nor does the audience. In Planet it is shown that the Apes history is not 100% accurate, so what Cornelius said can't be taken as rock solid. It conflicts with what was established in the first two films and with Cornelius' earlier statement in Escape that Apes had been speaking English for 2,000 years.
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@pepjrp In Earths original history, there was no Cesar to lead the revolt as his parents would not be born for nearly 200 years. So I believed that it took a few centuries for a different leader, Aldo to come to power and lead the uprising. That is why some of us on here, thought the original revolt happened in the 25th century.. give or take a century or two. An I way off?
pepjrp 3 months ago
@pepjrp Sorry, I meant to type...Cesar to lead the revolt as his parents would not be born for nearly 2000 years.
pepjrp 3 months ago
@pepjrp And what lines of dialogue directly establishes any of that?
JamesA1102 3 months ago
@GenesisApes Yet there would have been ones much newer for them to use. I realize that this was actually the 1970's and there were no 1990 vehicles to use, but they could have come up with some sort of created futuristic looking vehicles, etc.
pepjrp 6 months ago
@JamesA1102 and eventually the terminator franchise took that time paradox idea as well.
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JACKANDJAY10 6 months ago
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@JamesA1102 ..hi there,just seen the rise of the planet ota.Would you say that represents well how it all started and fits in to the timeline ?....ive just read some of the other update comments...my brain hurts lol !!
JACKANDJAY10 6 months ago
@JamesA1102 in escape from the planet of the apes cornelius states that it was Aldo who said no first not his son Caesar. its a different time line
ScreenHackTV 2 months ago
@ScreenHackTV Except that audience doesn't actually see if what Cornelius said was really the truth. Nor did Cornelius witness the event. He's quoting from a history text that could have been altered or was just wrong. Plus that whole part of Cornelius' testimony is inconsistant with everything established in the first two films as well as Cornelius' earlier statement that ape had been speaking english for nearly 2,000 years.
JamesA1102 2 months ago
@JamesA1102 well i have the 40th aniversary blu ray edition and with it comes a picture which shows that there are multiple time lines telling you everything that happened at what time so sorry man
ScreenHackTV 2 months ago
@ScreenHackTV Well the writer of the films, Paul Dehn, says different. I'll go with him rather than the packaging of the Blu-Ray discs done 40 years after the fact.
JamesA1102 2 months ago
I really should have watched the whole thing before commenting, then I could have put it all in one box. Sorry about that.
Anyway, I don't think the end of the Burton movie introduced a new timeline; it just meant that Thade got to Earth ahead of Davidson and took over the joint-- reminiscent of the Boulle novel.
MaskedMan66 9 months ago
Also, by rights, the Boulle continuity should have been listed as Timeline #1.
MaskedMan66 9 months ago
A very succinct and well-thought-out summation! The read-along records you mention are simplified adaptations of the first, second, third, and fifth movies, so technically they can be said to depict the same continuities.
MaskedMan66 9 months ago
coolest music
NYer79 9 months ago
but it looks pretty cool anyway.
deepen2011 10 months ago
idk about this new rise of the planet of the apes.. I was hoping for a sequel of the mark wahlberg movie.
deepen2011 10 months ago
The nuke wouldn't destroy the entire planet would it?
danniecurnow 10 months ago
That one did! KERRRBLOOOIEEE.
mokwella 10 months ago
The Alpha-Omega bomb,originally stored in the vaults of a San Francisco missile complex and cherished by twenty generations of the House of Mendez,is detonated while in Saint Patrick's Cathedral in the ruins of New York City.The end of everything.A catalytic reaction spreads across the globe in minutes.Shockwaves of the blast are sent into space and strike the spacecraft containing Doctors Milo, Cornelius and Zira.The ship is thrown into a timewarp, cast back to.(Beneath the Planet of the Apes)
ColonelErnie1 10 months ago
@danniecurnow It was apparently programmed to set off some geological chain reaction.
MaskedMan66 9 months ago
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@danniecurnow its a cobalt nuke which has never been built in the real, i assure u that nuke has the potential to wipe out all life on earth.
Veg1ta 9 months ago
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It wasn't a normal nuclear weapon. It was the Alpha Omega bomb with a cobalt casing! According to Taylor and Brent it was designed to start a chain reaction in the atmosphere of Earth, igniting the entire planet, and thereby destroying it.
anonymous3227 6 months ago
AHH BUT THERES TWO FOCUS POINTS IN ALL THIS FIRSTLY TAYLOR DOESNT HAVE TO GO ON THE MISSION BUT MAIN FOCUS POINT IS WEN THE PLANET IS DESTROYED IN THE FUTURE THE ENERGY CREATES A RIP IN THE FABRIC OF REALITY WHERE ALL PARELEL S AND TIME LINE MEET OR BREAK OFF OR YOU COULD SAY A DOOR WAY AND DONT FOR GET THERES A TIME LOOP INVOLVED I KNOW THAT GETS BROKEN AND NEW FUTURES GET CREATED BUT AL THIS COMES FROM ONE EVENT TO CREAT ALL THE OTHER EVENTS
sexyfm1 1 year ago
These are all included in Hasslein Books' reference publications - "Timeline of the Planet of the Apes" and the newly released "Lexicon of the Planet of the Apes".
Hassleinbooks 1 year ago
The animated TV cartoon could follow on from the live action TV series, with the Apes being more technically developed a few hundred years later. Assuming that the events of the last 3 movies cancel out the destruction of Earth in the second film...I think! :D
Oilyrag1963 1 year ago
@Oilyrag1963 The animated show was the first opportunity to write the "industrialized apes" angle into the cannon from the original book, since the movies and the TV show used the less advanced apes image to cut costs for set design.
pesmith8768 1 year ago
Shit music.
maxwall7755 1 year ago
Well they actually wanted what is in the animated series in the original movie
ElHijodelDuce 1 year ago
. taylor ventures to the future
. apes were survivors of war and came smart on there own
. taylor dies and earth's destroyed
. cornelius & zira traveled back and had baby
. ceaser leads revolte
. postwar, ceaser with help of humans teach apes
. 600 yrs later humans & apes live together with ceaser in memory
(ceaser never around even before taylor so timeline did change)
. some time after taylor da 2 new astronauts came to pota where dr ziaus still exists!
ceitiosaurus 1 year ago
@ceitiosaurus thanks for taking the time:)
BRANSCOMBEx 1 year ago