Theres not much more to say that hasnt already been said in the comments but if god is the great designer and stuff why did he make wars, and if you think religeon didnt start wars than tell me what did
Okay here is where your so called argument hits the pavement - when you mention that the watch has a designer. We know that humans designed the watch correct? Yet we don't see watches, paintings, and other things sprining out of the ground. Where is the evidence for this "intelligence" that you speak of and call God? Where is the complex system such as a brain that created the earth? The human brain assisted us in creating the watch with our hands also. Where is God?
Ok, its at about 1.12 you realise he's not got a coherent argument set up.
I could put wings on a pig and claim it evolved. You'd call me crazy, but then I say I designed it; doesn't that make me a God?
So me eating and drinking, obeying the natural urges of my body isn't me sustaining myself? I don't need a voice in my head to tell me I need the toilet.
I think your missing the scale of evolution, its doesn't talk about one thing it talk about everything. Like you said dependent on each other
@MrAndrewstewart7 On the contrary Andrew. I have spent much of my life studying many books on Evolution and i have all of Richard Dawkins books. I have even done a book review of his recent book "The Greatest Show on Earth".
“I have spent much of my life studying many books on Evolution and i have all of Richard Dawkins books.”
I don’t expect you to accept evolution, but you wouldn’t be making such naïve arguments trying to dispute evolution: it’s a clear indication you have no clue what it’s all about.
So what do you think we should think when you claim to have "studied" many books on the issue?
Even if this video was not intended for educated adults, your credibility is at stake.
The watch example is quite naïve, after all if we found something even much more simple like a hammer or a nail in nature then scientists would really have a tough time to explain that, but isn’t it strange that everything in nature that seems intelligently designed comes from self-replicating DNA and happens before our eyes? And isn’t it strange that after all if you break it down they are simple elements available everywhere?
@saintpine The more i study living and non-living things the more i see marvelous order, multi-dependent systems which cannot exist in isolation, programmed intelligence, instinct, intelligence in the "spirit in man" as revealed in the Bible, making us different from animals in the 6 recognised major facets of our intelligence quotient. There are no simple elements. That "urban myth" has long been exposed and shown to be false.
@umarandamru "watch this: proof that Allah exists dr zakir naik"
Indeed. Fair warning though: Make sure you're not drinking anything when watching it, or your keyboard and monitor might get damaged when you laugh your ass off. the level of ignorance displayed by Naik is even worse than the guy in this video. It's well worth watching once though, and it's amusing to try to count the lies.
it has to have this, it has to have that. No it has that properties, in order to be there in the first place, if the conditions were different, you would have had other ecosystems there. No god needed in the rainforest, its beautiful though.
It is the Invalid and doltish who need their crutch to stand and not the sound of mind. It is these pathetic, feeble cowards, who cling to false hope and contrived gods to comfort and shield them from their fears imagined or real. Religious folks are the sewers of deceit. They infect the simple minded and gullible to follow along with them as delusional slaves, for the will of their mythical masters from primitive cultures centuries past. They cry "please god make my wishes come true."
@TheRyeguy123 Okay. If you want to debate that way... How do you explain that over 99% of the worlds scietists subscribe to the evolution theory? And to answer your question: He is just another person who changed his beliefs. That happens to tons of people every day, and a belief can't be used as an explenation/proof!!!
Your watch metaphor is a double standard, seeing as everything we create obviously has a creator, but everything we don't create doesn't have to follow the same rules. Even if you had disproven evolution (which is a fact) you still haven't proven creation. You show a clear lack of understanding of evolution.
I loose all the respect instantly, when they behave like this. This is indeed pure ignorance of scientificly prooved reality. BTW, to every Christian out there, go to Youtube(dot)com/Thethinkingatheist and you will hopefully understand that the bible is the worst written, least relyable and stupidest book there is!
Good. "It's too hard to explain", so there must be an unknow supranatural being.
BUT, which one? Zeus? Osiris? The psycho murder of the bible? The psycho rapist of the Quoran? Or maybe you all have NO IDEA what you are talking about and are all, in fact, agnostics?
@finn6347 If Christians read the Bible they'll realize God has killed tens of thousands of people (plus the entire world's population) and Satan, the supreme evil, has killed a whopping 1 person... with the loose permission of God. Simple logic... it voids religion completely :)
The watch is a human made invention. Life is natural and your argument is ignorant. Evolution is a fact even if you keep denying it. For example, you can believe that the sky is green but it doesn't change the fact that it's blue. Evolution is a valid scientific theory because it has actually been tested unlike your BELIEF in a god. beliefs are not facts. you're just too muddled in your thinking to grasp these basic concepts.
Your argument in many of your videos seems to be "the world is such a perfect system for sustaining life, therefore an almighty creator must have set it into place." (would you say that's a fair summary?). That's a huge conclusion to leap to. I urge you to read about the Anthropic Principle, and to edit the title of this video since you provide no evidence whatsoever.
you have no structure in your arguement. just cause something has beuty doesnt mean that god created it. all you did in this video was explain nature, and then say that god did it. example - "i have a computer, i can surf the web, i can type, i can listen to music, therefore it must be god." u have no evidence, all you have is a theroey
Your argument holds no merit because it contains a logical fallacy. The fallacy in question is called "ad ignorantium." You are committing this because you're replacing an unknown with whatever you'd like.
Example: "We don't know how life was created, therefore, it was God."
This argument is quite sophomoric, useless, and it breaks logic.
So, the universe is all so magnificent isn't it? It therefore had to have an even more magnificent designer, because something so magnificent needs something even more magnificent to create it, right? Can you see where I'm going with this?
@logicalmind4 no actually i dont. you seem to be implying that the universe is THE most magnificant thing in existance and thus no greater thing can exist. however this argument implies that anyone is claiming the universe is the most magnificant thing in existence.
I do? Where do I imply that? I was addressing the point that basically says: since the universe is so magnificent, there must have been an even more magnificent designer. To then say that this ultra-magnificent designer does not itself require an even more ultra-magnificent designer undermines the first premise. Also, if that were my argument, how does that imply that "anyone is claiming the universe is the most magnificant thing in existence?"
@logicalmind4 yes it does imply a more magnificant creator however theres no evidence that our universe is the most magnificant thing in existence so it is possible for an even more magnificent god to exist. what im saying is that your original statement was flawed because it assumes that the universe is the most magnificant thing in existance.
Ah yes but............it doesn't. Where do you see that it does? The point of the statement was to address the argument that, due to it's magnificence, the universe must have had an even more magnificent designer. Which it didn't do completely because I wanted to see if the uploader of this video could work it out by him/her self. My following comment, however, did achieve this, and nowhere does it claim that the universe is the most magnificent thing in existence.
@logicalmind4 your original comment said that the universe was pretty magnificant so it had to have an even more magnificant creator thats true however for it to debunk this guys argument you would have to be implying that the universe is the most magnificant thing in existence or else your original statement is entirely meaningless.
No It doesn't. The point I was making was a response to those who say that, due to it's magnificence, the universe must have had an even more magnificent creator. It takes magnificence as the requirement for a creator, hence, to say that this even more magnificent didn't itself require a creator undermines the first premise. I'm not making any claims, I'm only pointing out a flaw, that's all I've said about this. I don't need to imply the universe is the most magnificent.
Yes indeed! To God belongs the glory, who created all things through Jesus Christ (Ephesians 3:9, Revelation 4:11) for His pleasure ...for us to be sons and daughters in God's Family.
practically every time DNA replicates, errors occur..these errors produce everything from longer limbs, to babies being born with their hearts outside of their bodies..it all depends where the error takes place..DNA is anything but indicative of intelligence. sure, it's complex, but complexity does NOT equal intelligence..complexity can emerge via small, simple, incremental steps. for example, ant colonies are very intricate, yet,no real intelligence drives it..just scent signals.
Wheres the evidence of a watch occuring naturally? Nowhere. Now wheres the evidence that trees occur naturally? Evolution, which is supported by over 150 years of ever growing evidence. You dont seem to understand that standing there and saying something is false, whithout showing how it is false, doesn't strengthen your position in any way.
I really thought Australians were smarter than this. Go to school, you moron.
Four common sense reasons why I think there is no god; A) Total absence from the natural world. No sign of a god, before, during or after, natural disastres B) The absolute absence of favoritism towards believers. Even chruches need lightning-rods to protect them from god. C) The absence of any reaction, when crimes are committed in his name. D) The suffering of the innocent. One could accept that the guilty must suffer, but children ???
Common man`s reasons why god does not exist A) total absence from from natural events, No sig of a god before, during or after natural events. B)The total absence of favoritism towards believers. Even church steeples need lightning rods for protection against god.C) The absence of any reaction, when crimes are committed in his name. D) The suffering of the innocent. One could accept suffering of the guilty, but little children
@GawdOfThunder Atheists are merely the flowering of the spirit of war placed by Satan into man. War is a substitute for your life. You judge people in order to condemn them. You do many other things which are wrong...and you enjoy them. You laugh at Christians because of the serpent in the garden. The serpent, however, is a supernatural entity not earthly and there is footage of such - Go to: johns drawing provokes ufo. The Fiery supernatural serpent shows up. Footage taken in FL. Go and see...
@Masonictoaster9 hmmm. looks like someone turned their brain off. We laugh at christians because of their stupid beliefs... that's all no talking snake.
Five common sense reasons why I think there is no god; A) Total absence from the natural world. No sign of a god, before, during or after, natural disastres B) The absolute absence of favoritism towards believers. Even churches need lightning-rods to protect them from god. C) The absence of any reaction, when crimes are committed in his name. C) The suffering of the innocent. D) Human childbirth is more risky and prone to mishaps, than animals`` Why, if we are his masterpiece of creation !!
I'd like to see how beautiful it is to him when he's out there all on his own 100 or even 5 miles away from civilization. It looks beautiful but he won't find the sustainer out there. Evolution is not a hoax. It's an excepted theory on the diversity of life. People like this man are ignorant.
@Jaywuff Evolution does not create new species - just minor variations which shuffle around but don't go anywhere. Besides - mass extinctions like those described in Genesis 1:2 start the clock back at zero. You believe higher forms like aliens can exist. But no God can exist? Also - How much do you really know about the Bible...in the original language and not cartoons?
tell me,why does one need god and doctrine,as opposed to just mere reason and intellect,in order to realize that loving each other creates a much better collective existence for humanity as a whole?even without the inclusion of god and religion,it's blatantly apparent that love and understanding of each other would benefit everyone. a Buddhist monk who has never accepted god or even the concept of a god,can feel and spread just as much love and understanding as a Christian.
As for the GOD question, we must remove false happiness, so real happiness may reveal itself. Of all the years ( there's been a lot of them), of all the religions (there's been alot of them), of all the schisms (there's been alot of them), of all the ardent practitioners ( there's been a lot of them), of all the believers investigations (there's been a lot of them), of the verifiable evidence accumulated? Nothing not a thing. Warm feelings is not proof of god it proves we have warm feelings.
@evidenceonly Because you throw out all the evidence in front of you - like, the entire world. Real life is all about love for each other. Man foolishly chose to accept a bogus offer of power over God from a supernatural entity. Man became self centered like God, but without the ability to do God's job or have a relationship with others like God. Now all people try to be self centered gods who judge in order to condemn to feel empowered. Atheists are the pure spirit of this warlike nature.
Masonictoaster9: "Real life is all about love for each other. Man foolishly chose to accept a bogus offer of power over God from a supernatural entity. Man became self centered like God,but without the ability to do God's job or have a relationship with others like God. Now all people try to be self centered gods who judge in order to condemn to feel empowered. Atheists are the pure spirit of this warlike nature."
my upcoming comment is in response to your above comment.
Too many mistakes thru the complex system to quickly may deteriorate the system , it needs a filter. Paradoxically, enter.... Complexity...a mistake will have to 'graduate' thru the system to change the system. One fail, will knock the mistake out . Only the 'best' mistakes will get thru. The more steps or 'complexity' to get thru, the better the filtering system. Building a more rigid or stable system, allowing the best mistakes thru in case.. adaptability... is needed not always but sometimes
Ken, Ken, Ken,....Whoa. Your'e basing you're hypothosis on; the awe inspiring truth as represented by the beauty of reality.... on GOD. You can attain a sense of Bliss, or Enlightenement, or at-oneness, restfull calm deep with-in the mind, without complicating things with a God concept. Yes ,correct, nature is beautifully comlex. There is no reason, other than,to operate a system requiring adaptability, change thru mistake is necessary, a simple system allows too many mistakes thru cont
"You see this flashy piece of metal on my wrist. This completely disproves evolution and proves god." Love the strength of your argument.
Actually, the fact that you can take 2 inorganic, non-living compounds, put them together, and then have them undergo an addition or substitution reaction thus becoming more complex disproves your argument. If you can make something more complex without outside influence proves that you don't require a creator.
Why do people believe in evolution? Well because it's the only claim that has sufficient amount of evidence to back it up.
And this is ACTUAL evidence I'm talking about. I don't you think you understand what it is because there is NO evidence for anything on this video. Just some symbolism about a watch. Which absolute source materials have come out of the earth naturally.
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Well, if there had been free oxygen on the early Earth, no life would have evolved. Because all complex molecules would have oxidized immediately. But the early life got oxygen from the water. h2O, remember?Hehe.:) One funny fact: For billions of years free oxygen was produced in the water by stromatolites and the oxygen immediately oxidized with iron, which there was very much of. It wasn't until virtually all the iron had oxidized and fallen to the bottom as rust,that oxygen came to the air:)
You usually have to forfeit a basic component of your humanity to believe in no Designer. You don't really have to look too far for evidence. We even have less excuse with modern science.
Yes. Well said, TazHall. All non-living and living things are extraordinary in their order, systems, interconnectivity, functions, instinct, design. All sustained by our all-wise lifegiving God, who has a great Plan for all of us to overcome in this world, and be sons and daughters in God's Family.
order can occur from random chaos. complex order occurs from billions of years of random chaos. the 4 fundamental forces and randomness, are suffice in explaining the formation of molecules, elements, planets, galaxies, and stars. it's all a matter of extreme simplicity giving rise to extreme complexity, which all arises from randomness and time. nature is evidence of nature, not god..claiming there is some god transcendent of nature is an utter preconceived assumption.
@itzahazylife and the first law of thermodynamics says that energy (and matter but ill just use energy for this example) is part of a closed system (the universe) and cant be created or destroyed. therefore whatever created the universe is either beyond our understanding of existence (like any omnipotent being would be) or that the 1st rule of thermodynamics is false.
by definition the universe is a closed system. but, the universe may be part of a multiverse or an omniverse. when it comes to theoretical physics, science doesn't claim to know anything..it only deals with practical knowledge.
@itzahazylife the multiverse theory has never been proven and technically cant be because proving it would require breaking rules that govern the universe. but if were going to assume that our univere was created by that un testable theory than its not much of a leap to this guys un testable theory.
we know reality exists. it's much more reasonable to speculate that there is more to reality than this universe, in the form of a multiverse or omniverse, than it is to speculate that some sort of creator god being exists.
actually, with the advent of modern science, we've shown how unnecessary god is in our universe. we've shown more and more how unintelligent, unguided natural processes, are responsible for our reality. there could be a god outside of nature, but as of now, there's only nature..and nature is only evidence of itself..god is imagined, and assumed. it's still a belief out of pure faith.
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Very few people understand the purpose for our existence. Very few understand why God created living and non-living things to have a temporary existence. Once you understand God's Plan, you can understand why things are the way they have been created.
@KenEdMurray ; Are you sure you understand god`s plan ? You have no certainty at all. You don`t even have certainty that a god exists, let alone his plan. If he exists, he is more elusive as Bigfoot.
The argument that that everything is in a closed system and by removing one part all others die out is proof of ignorance not proof of god. This is easily demonstrated in the most basic of food webs. The beings on the bottom are called producers. They do not require any other life to exist. Your argument is invalid. And yes i know they need the sun, but it will die out so it is not being sustained by god. Some design.
@MaterialMonist Thankyou for your comment. Nice try. Take away any of the oxygen, nitrogen, photosynthesis cycles, etc, ...and we are all dead.
There are some things the Bible reveals that science still doesn't know. For example, there is coming a new solar system and universe construct.
Isaiah 65:17 "For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind." (Also Isaiah 66:22; 2Peter3:13)
@KenEdMurray Do you realize you just argued "take away protons, neutrons and electrons and things wouldn't exist?" Although that is almost true, it is an argument against you,, not an ace up your sleeve.
@MaterialMonist On the contrary. Unless we have all of the life support sytems in place and all of the non-living elements, compounds, protons, neutrons, and electrons, etc, and their systems ... no living thing could exist.
Hence, as God says ...God created all things non-living and living ...as well as the many supporting systems such as the nitrogen, oxygen, photosynthesis systems, etc... Without any one of those, nothing living could exist.
@KenEdMurray I don't think you understand what I was saying. Your argument is "If things were different, things would be different." You would be an idiot not to agree with that. But in no way does that confirm the existence of a god. Lets get to a more basic question. If god could have made the universe in whatever fashion it chose, why do quarks exist? They don't need to exist if god does, yet without god, basic things that construct more complicated things do need to exist.
@KenEdMurray I don't disagree that without these basic building blocks life could not exist. I am arguing that with god they don't need to exist, so why would they? You said that god is the "great sustainer." This is the biggest problem with your argument. The universe will at the very least end in heat death, even if you think the universe is less than 10k years old. The only argument that can be made against this is that god will step in before the universe ends. Do you see the problem?
@MaterialMonist Ok, so you now understand that without all of the Systems God has created, such as oxygen, nitrogen, photosynthesis, etc, Systems, no life could exist. This is precisely why God created these many balanced systems, so that God could then create life, so that it would exist ...& set this stage in motion for God's great purpose and Plan for developing more sons & daughters in God's Family. This earth and universe is a temporary first step in God's Plan. 2 Cor 6:18; 1John3:1-4
@KenEdMurray Again, I am not arguing that without chemistry life could exist. If there is a God, then anything is possible. We both agree that as humans we need oxygen to survive. Why? If God does exists he could of created a universe where we did not need it, or anything else. The fact that biology shows some life depends on other life, and all life depends on chemistry, says nothing about the existence of God. These necessities point to anything but omnipotence.
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Nothing can be destroyed, neither matter or energy, a watch is not a living organism, nonliving things cannot give birth or share genes, go to a high school and take genetics, it helps you make your way around nowadays.
Also, if life is temporary then why do you state a sustainer is necessary?
@KenEdMurray I looked at the website and am not willing to give my name and address to a group I am unfamiliar with. You make a point (intensionally or not) that you understand God's plan. If this is true then you must be God. As this is not true, how does your argument advance? Claiming to know God's will is not only absurd but dangerous. Look through history and inspect the people that claim to know the thought process of the almighty. It never ends well.
He's god, so he doesn't need oxygen to make us live.
Ever heard of the term anaerobic? Yep, thats right, life existed before oxygen did.
Life evolved to make use of oxygen simply because it was readily available, if you simply replaced oxygen with hydrogen in ancient times, we would be still be here, but breathing hydrogen.
Heh heh! ...nice try ...but it is actually spelt Non sequitur ...not "Non sequitour" ...so it is a humourous reply that has no relevance to what preceded it.
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If everything is so perfectly designed, why are some people alllergic to things? And why would some people be fatally allergic? If God wanted some people to stay away from some food, I'm sure rashes and hives would be enough.... Why kill?
What's up with birth defects? There are some really poor designs there...
"If I told you I found this watch in the forest, and it evolved, you'd say I was crazy!"
That's right, Ken, I would. A watch being inorganic and unable to reproduce, no person who understands the basics of evolution would think it was possible.
Ken, we all know the difference between the designed and the undesigned. That's why you had to point to a watch instead of a tree. Think about it. I look forward to you removing my comment because you can't rebut it. As usual.
The thing is that a judgemental God doesn't make sense. The only God that could ever make sense is an indifferent one. Why would a judgemental God create imperfect creatures and judge them on their imperfections?
They very purpose of creating something would be to judge it. And indifferent god wouldn't bother create anything because he didn't care or need anything in the first place. We create things to watch them and judge them thereafter.
@BowofHaq Please explain to me how that helps your argument in any way. If anything that makes him more sadistic because that means he consciously decided to give us a life time of suffering for no reason whatsoever.
"We create things to watch them and judge them thereafter."
You were one of those kids who caught flies just to pull off their wings, right?
Why would god create something just to judge it (and worse, blame it when it does something wrong)? That's like a carpenter blaming his table for its construction!
People just need to let it go youll never prove or disprove gods existance you can say all you want that there is a need for a designer when mathmatically it is possible for all of this to be created due to the enormity of the universe. You could say that god doesnt exist do to logical proofs that would make him obsolete and contradict himself but alternatively what did we know 100 years ago?
I did not see the evidence of GOD, you just showed evidence of Reproductions and Natural Selection.
The forest has nothing to do with Beauty, in fact the forest do not give a razz ass to beauty, each and every tree there is the product of millions of years of adaptation to the environment by the best offspring of a predecessor who was very similar but slightly different.
You're speaking to your audience as if most of us do not know what evolution or intelligent design is... or even what the bible says.
No matter how many Christians claim this is evidence for a God/creator of biological life forms... It has never ever been sufficient evidence... and it never will be. And you will continue to claim that evolution is a lie... even with overwhelming evidence... Nice try and good luck with finding real Creation evidence.
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Rom 1:21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
Rom 1:22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
to believe in evolution is crazy? no sir, to believe the evil stories in a dusty old book is crazy. which god do you believe in? to believe YOU, is crazy.
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@KenEdMurray Why would GOD create something he doesnt need (us), make us imperfect, then punish us for it? Why does he create suffering if he has the option not to? Is he so self absorbed that he requires us to worship him? Why, why, why?
@KenEdMurray hahahahahahahahahhahahaha you pretty much talked around his questions, nice one. avoid being faced with trying to present evidence at all costs. you brainwashed fool
@KenEdMurray How can you make the analogy that since a watch has a desiqner, then surely so must nature? This is nothing more than a quantum leap of the imagination that proves nothing.You seem to be well spoken, but if I said that since Rice Crispy cereal exists, then Snap, Crackle, and Pop, must be living breathing creatures, instead of part of a marketing campaiqn, I'm sure you would politely voice your disbelief.
God's love shines bright like the morning sun shines on a Nazi concentration camp. His goodness flows like a mighty river that drowns the innocent children. His greatness manifests himself in the surge of a tsunami that rids the planet of evil doers. God is great. God is also a serial killer. HA! HA!
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Only "the fool has said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that does good. " (Ps 14:1; 53:1)
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If you told me that God made that watch, you would be deluded. To make a watch, you need a watchmaker - or as our evolution has provided us with, machines which can do it for us more accurately.
I have a question, even if you believe in Evolution(from what I know that means animals evolving into humans) how did the animals even get her for humans to evolve into huh? SOMEONE had to put the animals on the Earth they didn't just appear. How did the Earth get here? SOMEONE had to put it here it didn't just come out of nowhere, and that someone is OBVIOUSLY GOD! Love & Believe in God and the Lord
But this guy contradicts himself and his argument in infinite. If something has to com from something else, where did God come from? And so on and so on.
@Arden15yr There are answers to your questions out there but re educating you is impossible, you are a lost cause. If you are happy with what you believe then who am I to say ignorance is wrong.
Evolution also gave humans the ability to become extremely deluded and psychotic. Not even our closest relatives (apes) behave as if they are anything but apes.
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Theres not much more to say that hasnt already been said in the comments but if god is the great designer and stuff why did he make wars, and if you think religeon didnt start wars than tell me what did
TheUnseriousguy 3 days ago
idiot
ThrowFatMidgets 4 days ago
im a muslim and i loved this video ; i shared it on Facebook :D
xmjover18x 1 week ago
Okay here is where your so called argument hits the pavement - when you mention that the watch has a designer. We know that humans designed the watch correct? Yet we don't see watches, paintings, and other things sprining out of the ground. Where is the evidence for this "intelligence" that you speak of and call God? Where is the complex system such as a brain that created the earth? The human brain assisted us in creating the watch with our hands also. Where is God?
Thenewfallingsacred 2 weeks ago
Ok, its at about 1.12 you realise he's not got a coherent argument set up.
I could put wings on a pig and claim it evolved. You'd call me crazy, but then I say I designed it; doesn't that make me a God?
So me eating and drinking, obeying the natural urges of my body isn't me sustaining myself? I don't need a voice in my head to tell me I need the toilet.
I think your missing the scale of evolution, its doesn't talk about one thing it talk about everything. Like you said dependent on each other
actickle 1 month ago
Wow my comment was deleted...did I have good answers
chrisgratliff 1 month ago
His watch argument is basically stating "I don't understand. therefore god exist."
stringtheory9991 1 month ago
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My dog just left "evidence" of value equal to yours on the lawn outside my house.
The1VoiceOfReason 1 month ago
This guy obviously doesn't understand nor does he care to understand evolution.
MrAndrewstewart7 2 months ago
@MrAndrewstewart7 On the contrary Andrew. I have spent much of my life studying many books on Evolution and i have all of Richard Dawkins books. I have even done a book review of his recent book "The Greatest Show on Earth".
KenEdMurray 2 months ago
@KenEdMurray
“I have spent much of my life studying many books on Evolution and i have all of Richard Dawkins books.”
I don’t expect you to accept evolution, but you wouldn’t be making such naïve arguments trying to dispute evolution: it’s a clear indication you have no clue what it’s all about.
So what do you think we should think when you claim to have "studied" many books on the issue?
Even if this video was not intended for educated adults, your credibility is at stake.
saintpine 2 months ago
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I was sure you were going to scream "Crikey!" at some point. I agree with you... Isn't the wonder of Biological Science, and evolution amazing.
HENJAM48 4 months ago
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HENJAM48 4 months ago
Ken your argument does not work at all, sorry as a atheist you have only proven the need to suspend logic to be a good christian
hakaboy6924 5 months ago
The watch example is quite naïve, after all if we found something even much more simple like a hammer or a nail in nature then scientists would really have a tough time to explain that, but isn’t it strange that everything in nature that seems intelligently designed comes from self-replicating DNA and happens before our eyes? And isn’t it strange that after all if you break it down they are simple elements available everywhere?
saintpine 5 months ago
@saintpine The more i study living and non-living things the more i see marvelous order, multi-dependent systems which cannot exist in isolation, programmed intelligence, instinct, intelligence in the "spirit in man" as revealed in the Bible, making us different from animals in the 6 recognised major facets of our intelligence quotient. There are no simple elements. That "urban myth" has long been exposed and shown to be false.
KenEdMurray 2 months ago
watch this: proof that Allah exists dr zakir naik
umarandamru 5 months ago
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@umarandamru "watch this: proof that Allah exists dr zakir naik"
Indeed. Fair warning though: Make sure you're not drinking anything when watching it, or your keyboard and monitor might get damaged when you laugh your ass off. the level of ignorance displayed by Naik is even worse than the guy in this video. It's well worth watching once though, and it's amusing to try to count the lies.
Gnomefro 3 months ago
it has to have this, it has to have that. No it has that properties, in order to be there in the first place, if the conditions were different, you would have had other ecosystems there. No god needed in the rainforest, its beautiful though.
Jipzorowns 5 months ago
too simple.
Jipzorowns 5 months ago
Matthew 19:24
And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a christian to be of sound mind.
scotttebben 6 months ago
It is the Invalid and doltish who need their crutch to stand and not the sound of mind. It is these pathetic, feeble cowards, who cling to false hope and contrived gods to comfort and shield them from their fears imagined or real. Religious folks are the sewers of deceit. They infect the simple minded and gullible to follow along with them as delusional slaves, for the will of their mythical masters from primitive cultures centuries past. They cry "please god make my wishes come true."
scotttebben 6 months ago
i've never seen such a steaming pile of bullshit in one video.
590110009 6 months ago
Humans cannot sit idle if they can't explain everything so we create our own explanations Aka god
MrJimmyJammers 6 months ago
@TheRyeguy123 Okay. If you want to debate that way... How do you explain that over 99% of the worlds scietists subscribe to the evolution theory? And to answer your question: He is just another person who changed his beliefs. That happens to tons of people every day, and a belief can't be used as an explenation/proof!!!
fyrstikknerd 6 months ago
Your watch metaphor is a double standard, seeing as everything we create obviously has a creator, but everything we don't create doesn't have to follow the same rules. Even if you had disproven evolution (which is a fact) you still haven't proven creation. You show a clear lack of understanding of evolution.
JAB63096 6 months ago
I loose all the respect instantly, when they behave like this. This is indeed pure ignorance of scientificly prooved reality. BTW, to every Christian out there, go to Youtube(dot)com/Thethinkingatheist and you will hopefully understand that the bible is the worst written, least relyable and stupidest book there is!
fyrstikknerd 6 months ago
Good. "It's too hard to explain", so there must be an unknow supranatural being.
BUT, which one? Zeus? Osiris? The psycho murder of the bible? The psycho rapist of the Quoran? Or maybe you all have NO IDEA what you are talking about and are all, in fact, agnostics?
URTemplar 6 months ago
Evolution doesn't say that things just pop into existence randomly.
alphabetadeltazeta 6 months ago
The lord god: he's a cunt
finn6347 6 months ago
@finn6347 If Christians read the Bible they'll realize God has killed tens of thousands of people (plus the entire world's population) and Satan, the supreme evil, has killed a whopping 1 person... with the loose permission of God. Simple logic... it voids religion completely :)
JAB63096 6 months ago
@JAB63096 exactly!
finn6347 6 months ago
you are fucking retarded.
youshallbemyslaves 6 months ago
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itzahazylife 7 months ago
The watch is a human made invention. Life is natural and your argument is ignorant. Evolution is a fact even if you keep denying it. For example, you can believe that the sky is green but it doesn't change the fact that it's blue. Evolution is a valid scientific theory because it has actually been tested unlike your BELIEF in a god. beliefs are not facts. you're just too muddled in your thinking to grasp these basic concepts.
FallofDarkness55 7 months ago
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Things exist, therefore God exists! What an argument...
acrazyone1 7 months ago
Your argument in many of your videos seems to be "the world is such a perfect system for sustaining life, therefore an almighty creator must have set it into place." (would you say that's a fair summary?). That's a huge conclusion to leap to. I urge you to read about the Anthropic Principle, and to edit the title of this video since you provide no evidence whatsoever.
BggProductions 7 months ago
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Daphuhnuh 7 months ago
I AM JESUS, I AM THE 666 IN REVELATION... I AM THE ONE...
THE MARKS / NUMBERS FORMING UPON MY FACE WILL SOON BE TOTALLY UNDENIABLE..
MAY GOD BLESS YOUR SOULS, THAT MOMENT IN TIME IS NOW UPON US ALL
ulived1969 8 months ago
you have no structure in your arguement. just cause something has beuty doesnt mean that god created it. all you did in this video was explain nature, and then say that god did it. example - "i have a computer, i can surf the web, i can type, i can listen to music, therefore it must be god." u have no evidence, all you have is a theroey
Digitalbunt 10 months ago
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Your argument holds no merit because it contains a logical fallacy. The fallacy in question is called "ad ignorantium." You are committing this because you're replacing an unknown with whatever you'd like.
Example: "We don't know how life was created, therefore, it was God."
This argument is quite sophomoric, useless, and it breaks logic.
OrmazdX34 11 months ago
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You are committing a logical fallacy called the "argument from ignorance." Committing this means your argument holds zero merit.
philosophy.lander.edu/logic/ignorance.html
You cannot replace the unknown with anything you'd like. The only answer for not knowing is "I don't know."
Example: "We don't know how life was created, therefore, it was God."
This kind of argument is sophomoric and it breaks logic.
OrmazdX34 11 months ago
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OrmazdX34 11 months ago
just wait until he gets a leech,
where is your god now!
thefluffinator229 11 months ago
bullshiting idiot, never EVER compare EVOLUTION TO YOUR EXPENSIVE WATCH! IF YOU DONT UNDERSTAND EVOLUTION, DONT TRY EXPLAINING IT!
thefluffinator229 11 months ago
This man is an idiot or a liar I am not sure.
movieklump 11 months ago
I just became stupider
maxpainfu1 1 year ago
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doesnt prove jack SHIT
humpde479 1 year ago
So, the universe is all so magnificent isn't it? It therefore had to have an even more magnificent designer, because something so magnificent needs something even more magnificent to create it, right? Can you see where I'm going with this?
logicalmind4 1 year ago
@logicalmind4 no actually i dont. you seem to be implying that the universe is THE most magnificant thing in existance and thus no greater thing can exist. however this argument implies that anyone is claiming the universe is the most magnificant thing in existence.
liberalmike1994 1 year ago
@liberalmike1994
I do? Where do I imply that? I was addressing the point that basically says: since the universe is so magnificent, there must have been an even more magnificent designer. To then say that this ultra-magnificent designer does not itself require an even more ultra-magnificent designer undermines the first premise. Also, if that were my argument, how does that imply that "anyone is claiming the universe is the most magnificant thing in existence?"
logicalmind4 1 year ago
@logicalmind4 yes it does imply a more magnificant creator however theres no evidence that our universe is the most magnificant thing in existence so it is possible for an even more magnificent god to exist. what im saying is that your original statement was flawed because it assumes that the universe is the most magnificant thing in existance.
liberalmike1994 1 year ago
@liberalmike1994
Ah yes but............it doesn't. Where do you see that it does? The point of the statement was to address the argument that, due to it's magnificence, the universe must have had an even more magnificent designer. Which it didn't do completely because I wanted to see if the uploader of this video could work it out by him/her self. My following comment, however, did achieve this, and nowhere does it claim that the universe is the most magnificent thing in existence.
logicalmind4 1 year ago
@logicalmind4 your original comment said that the universe was pretty magnificant so it had to have an even more magnificant creator thats true however for it to debunk this guys argument you would have to be implying that the universe is the most magnificant thing in existence or else your original statement is entirely meaningless.
liberalmike1994 1 year ago
@liberalmike1994
No It doesn't. The point I was making was a response to those who say that, due to it's magnificence, the universe must have had an even more magnificent creator. It takes magnificence as the requirement for a creator, hence, to say that this even more magnificent didn't itself require a creator undermines the first premise. I'm not making any claims, I'm only pointing out a flaw, that's all I've said about this. I don't need to imply the universe is the most magnificent.
logicalmind4 1 year ago
@logicalmind4 oh ok I thought you were hinting at the ultimate 747 gambit (look it up) my bad
liberalmike1994 1 year ago
Just wondering if this is censored......
logicalmind4 1 year ago
Glory be to God.
59blaziken 1 year ago
@59blaziken
Yes indeed! To God belongs the glory, who created all things through Jesus Christ (Ephesians 3:9, Revelation 4:11) for His pleasure ...for us to be sons and daughters in God's Family.
KenEdMurray 1 year ago
@KenEdMurray
practically every time DNA replicates, errors occur..these errors produce everything from longer limbs, to babies being born with their hearts outside of their bodies..it all depends where the error takes place..DNA is anything but indicative of intelligence. sure, it's complex, but complexity does NOT equal intelligence..complexity can emerge via small, simple, incremental steps. for example, ant colonies are very intricate, yet,no real intelligence drives it..just scent signals.
itzahazylife 7 months ago
Wheres the evidence of a watch occuring naturally? Nowhere. Now wheres the evidence that trees occur naturally? Evolution, which is supported by over 150 years of ever growing evidence. You dont seem to understand that standing there and saying something is false, whithout showing how it is false, doesn't strengthen your position in any way.
I really thought Australians were smarter than this. Go to school, you moron.
LondonIrishRover 1 year ago
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Four common sense reasons why I think there is no god; A) Total absence from the natural world. No sign of a god, before, during or after, natural disastres B) The absolute absence of favoritism towards believers. Even chruches need lightning-rods to protect them from god. C) The absence of any reaction, when crimes are committed in his name. D) The suffering of the innocent. One could accept that the guilty must suffer, but children ???
tallliza 1 year ago
Wow this video is so pointless
JakeRulzDude 1 year ago
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Common man`s reasons why god does not exist A) total absence from from natural events, No sig of a god before, during or after natural events. B)The total absence of favoritism towards believers. Even church steeples need lightning rods for protection against god.C) The absence of any reaction, when crimes are committed in his name. D) The suffering of the innocent. One could accept suffering of the guilty, but little children
lizazoon 1 year ago
Do videos like this ever convince an atheist to convert to religion...?? I guess if you turn your brain off it might be possible.
GawdOfThunder 1 year ago
@GawdOfThunder Atheists are merely the flowering of the spirit of war placed by Satan into man. War is a substitute for your life. You judge people in order to condemn them. You do many other things which are wrong...and you enjoy them. You laugh at Christians because of the serpent in the garden. The serpent, however, is a supernatural entity not earthly and there is footage of such - Go to: johns drawing provokes ufo. The Fiery supernatural serpent shows up. Footage taken in FL. Go and see...
Masonictoaster9 1 year ago
@Masonictoaster9 hmmm. looks like someone turned their brain off. We laugh at christians because of their stupid beliefs... that's all no talking snake.
GawdOfThunder 1 year ago
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Five common sense reasons why I think there is no god; A) Total absence from the natural world. No sign of a god, before, during or after, natural disastres B) The absolute absence of favoritism towards believers. Even churches need lightning-rods to protect them from god. C) The absence of any reaction, when crimes are committed in his name. C) The suffering of the innocent. D) Human childbirth is more risky and prone to mishaps, than animals`` Why, if we are his masterpiece of creation !!
lizazoon 1 year ago
I'd like to see how beautiful it is to him when he's out there all on his own 100 or even 5 miles away from civilization. It looks beautiful but he won't find the sustainer out there. Evolution is not a hoax. It's an excepted theory on the diversity of life. People like this man are ignorant.
Jaywuff 1 year ago
@Jaywuff Evolution does not create new species - just minor variations which shuffle around but don't go anywhere. Besides - mass extinctions like those described in Genesis 1:2 start the clock back at zero. You believe higher forms like aliens can exist. But no God can exist? Also - How much do you really know about the Bible...in the original language and not cartoons?
Masonictoaster9 1 year ago
@Masonictoaster9
tell me,why does one need god and doctrine,as opposed to just mere reason and intellect,in order to realize that loving each other creates a much better collective existence for humanity as a whole?even without the inclusion of god and religion,it's blatantly apparent that love and understanding of each other would benefit everyone. a Buddhist monk who has never accepted god or even the concept of a god,can feel and spread just as much love and understanding as a Christian.
itzahazylife 1 year ago
old liar !!
themightygermanman 1 year ago
Beautifull scenery though.
evidenceonly 1 year ago
As for the GOD question, we must remove false happiness, so real happiness may reveal itself. Of all the years ( there's been a lot of them), of all the religions (there's been alot of them), of all the schisms (there's been alot of them), of all the ardent practitioners ( there's been a lot of them), of all the believers investigations (there's been a lot of them), of the verifiable evidence accumulated? Nothing not a thing. Warm feelings is not proof of god it proves we have warm feelings.
evidenceonly 1 year ago
@evidenceonly Because you throw out all the evidence in front of you - like, the entire world. Real life is all about love for each other. Man foolishly chose to accept a bogus offer of power over God from a supernatural entity. Man became self centered like God, but without the ability to do God's job or have a relationship with others like God. Now all people try to be self centered gods who judge in order to condemn to feel empowered. Atheists are the pure spirit of this warlike nature.
Masonictoaster9 1 year ago
@Masonictoaster9
Masonictoaster9: "Real life is all about love for each other. Man foolishly chose to accept a bogus offer of power over God from a supernatural entity. Man became self centered like God,but without the ability to do God's job or have a relationship with others like God. Now all people try to be self centered gods who judge in order to condemn to feel empowered. Atheists are the pure spirit of this warlike nature."
my upcoming comment is in response to your above comment.
itzahazylife 1 year ago
Too many mistakes thru the complex system to quickly may deteriorate the system , it needs a filter. Paradoxically, enter.... Complexity...a mistake will have to 'graduate' thru the system to change the system. One fail, will knock the mistake out . Only the 'best' mistakes will get thru. The more steps or 'complexity' to get thru, the better the filtering system. Building a more rigid or stable system, allowing the best mistakes thru in case.. adaptability... is needed not always but sometimes
evidenceonly 1 year ago
Ken, Ken, Ken,....Whoa. Your'e basing you're hypothosis on; the awe inspiring truth as represented by the beauty of reality.... on GOD. You can attain a sense of Bliss, or Enlightenement, or at-oneness, restfull calm deep with-in the mind, without complicating things with a God concept. Yes ,correct, nature is beautifully comlex. There is no reason, other than,to operate a system requiring adaptability, change thru mistake is necessary, a simple system allows too many mistakes thru cont
evidenceonly 1 year ago
I hate tropical forests its so muddy and shit!
BlisterBlaze 1 year ago
"You see this flashy piece of metal on my wrist. This completely disproves evolution and proves god." Love the strength of your argument.
Actually, the fact that you can take 2 inorganic, non-living compounds, put them together, and then have them undergo an addition or substitution reaction thus becoming more complex disproves your argument. If you can make something more complex without outside influence proves that you don't require a creator.
randomhobbyist 1 year ago
Why do people believe in evolution? Well because it's the only claim that has sufficient amount of evidence to back it up.
And this is ACTUAL evidence I'm talking about. I don't you think you understand what it is because there is NO evidence for anything on this video. Just some symbolism about a watch. Which absolute source materials have come out of the earth naturally.
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KenEdMurray 1 year ago
Well, if there had been free oxygen on the early Earth, no life would have evolved. Because all complex molecules would have oxidized immediately. But the early life got oxygen from the water. h2O, remember?Hehe.:) One funny fact: For billions of years free oxygen was produced in the water by stromatolites and the oxygen immediately oxidized with iron, which there was very much of. It wasn't until virtually all the iron had oxidized and fallen to the bottom as rust,that oxygen came to the air:)
winterstellar 1 year ago
You usually have to forfeit a basic component of your humanity to believe in no Designer. You don't really have to look too far for evidence. We even have less excuse with modern science.
TazHall 1 year ago
@TazHall
Yes. Well said, TazHall. All non-living and living things are extraordinary in their order, systems, interconnectivity, functions, instinct, design. All sustained by our all-wise lifegiving God, who has a great Plan for all of us to overcome in this world, and be sons and daughters in God's Family.
KenEdMurray 1 year ago
@KenEdMurray
order can occur from random chaos. complex order occurs from billions of years of random chaos. the 4 fundamental forces and randomness, are suffice in explaining the formation of molecules, elements, planets, galaxies, and stars. it's all a matter of extreme simplicity giving rise to extreme complexity, which all arises from randomness and time. nature is evidence of nature, not god..claiming there is some god transcendent of nature is an utter preconceived assumption.
itzahazylife 1 year ago
@itzahazylife and the first law of thermodynamics says that energy (and matter but ill just use energy for this example) is part of a closed system (the universe) and cant be created or destroyed. therefore whatever created the universe is either beyond our understanding of existence (like any omnipotent being would be) or that the 1st rule of thermodynamics is false.
liberalmike1994 1 year ago
@liberalmike1994
no one knows if the universe is a closed or open system..
itzahazylife 1 year ago
@itzahazylife science claims to
liberalmike1994 1 year ago
@liberalmike1994
by definition the universe is a closed system. but, the universe may be part of a multiverse or an omniverse. when it comes to theoretical physics, science doesn't claim to know anything..it only deals with practical knowledge.
itzahazylife 1 year ago
@itzahazylife the multiverse theory has never been proven and technically cant be because proving it would require breaking rules that govern the universe. but if were going to assume that our univere was created by that un testable theory than its not much of a leap to this guys un testable theory.
liberalmike1994 1 year ago
@liberalmike1994
we know reality exists. it's much more reasonable to speculate that there is more to reality than this universe, in the form of a multiverse or omniverse, than it is to speculate that some sort of creator god being exists.
itzahazylife 1 year ago
@itzahazylife how?
liberalmike1994 1 year ago
@TazHall
actually, with the advent of modern science, we've shown how unnecessary god is in our universe. we've shown more and more how unintelligent, unguided natural processes, are responsible for our reality. there could be a god outside of nature, but as of now, there's only nature..and nature is only evidence of itself..god is imagined, and assumed. it's still a belief out of pure faith.
itzahazylife 10 months ago
@TazHall "You usually have to forfeit a basic component of your humanity to believe in no Designer"
True. I forfeited gullibility when I stopped believing in a designer.
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KenEdMurray 1 year ago
What is your destiny? Why do you exist? There is a reason, a purpose, for your human life.
Check out this FREE information at:
h t t p://w w w[dot]gnmagazine[dot]org/booklets/WD/
Very few people understand the purpose for our existence. Very few understand why God created living and non-living things to have a temporary existence. Once you understand God's Plan, you can understand why things are the way they have been created.
KenEdMurray 1 year ago
@KenEdMurray ; Are you sure you understand god`s plan ? You have no certainty at all. You don`t even have certainty that a god exists, let alone his plan. If he exists, he is more elusive as Bigfoot.
lizazoon 1 year ago
The argument that that everything is in a closed system and by removing one part all others die out is proof of ignorance not proof of god. This is easily demonstrated in the most basic of food webs. The beings on the bottom are called producers. They do not require any other life to exist. Your argument is invalid. And yes i know they need the sun, but it will die out so it is not being sustained by god. Some design.
MaterialMonist 1 year ago
@MaterialMonist Thankyou for your comment. Nice try. Take away any of the oxygen, nitrogen, photosynthesis cycles, etc, ...and we are all dead.
There are some things the Bible reveals that science still doesn't know. For example, there is coming a new solar system and universe construct.
Isaiah 65:17 "For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind." (Also Isaiah 66:22; 2Peter3:13)
KenEdMurray 1 year ago
@KenEdMurray Do you realize you just argued "take away protons, neutrons and electrons and things wouldn't exist?" Although that is almost true, it is an argument against you,, not an ace up your sleeve.
MaterialMonist 1 year ago
@MaterialMonist On the contrary. Unless we have all of the life support sytems in place and all of the non-living elements, compounds, protons, neutrons, and electrons, etc, and their systems ... no living thing could exist.
Hence, as God says ...God created all things non-living and living ...as well as the many supporting systems such as the nitrogen, oxygen, photosynthesis systems, etc... Without any one of those, nothing living could exist.
KenEdMurray 1 year ago
@KenEdMurray I don't think you understand what I was saying. Your argument is "If things were different, things would be different." You would be an idiot not to agree with that. But in no way does that confirm the existence of a god. Lets get to a more basic question. If god could have made the universe in whatever fashion it chose, why do quarks exist? They don't need to exist if god does, yet without god, basic things that construct more complicated things do need to exist.
MaterialMonist 1 year ago
@KenEdMurray I don't disagree that without these basic building blocks life could not exist. I am arguing that with god they don't need to exist, so why would they? You said that god is the "great sustainer." This is the biggest problem with your argument. The universe will at the very least end in heat death, even if you think the universe is less than 10k years old. The only argument that can be made against this is that god will step in before the universe ends. Do you see the problem?
MaterialMonist 1 year ago
@MaterialMonist Ok, so you now understand that without all of the Systems God has created, such as oxygen, nitrogen, photosynthesis, etc, Systems, no life could exist. This is precisely why God created these many balanced systems, so that God could then create life, so that it would exist ...& set this stage in motion for God's great purpose and Plan for developing more sons & daughters in God's Family. This earth and universe is a temporary first step in God's Plan. 2 Cor 6:18; 1John3:1-4
KenEdMurray 1 year ago
@KenEdMurray Again, I am not arguing that without chemistry life could exist. If there is a God, then anything is possible. We both agree that as humans we need oxygen to survive. Why? If God does exists he could of created a universe where we did not need it, or anything else. The fact that biology shows some life depends on other life, and all life depends on chemistry, says nothing about the existence of God. These necessities point to anything but omnipotence.
MaterialMonist 1 year ago
@MaterialMonist Very few people understand the purpose for our existence. Very few understand why God created living and non-living things to have a temporary existence. Once you understand God's Plan, you can understand why things are the way they have been created.
Check out:
h t t p://w w w[dot]gnmagazine[dot]org/booklets/WD/
What is your destiny? Why do you exist? There is a reason, a purpose, for human life.
KenEdMurray 1 year ago
@KenEdMurray
Nothing can be destroyed, neither matter or energy, a watch is not a living organism, nonliving things cannot give birth or share genes, go to a high school and take genetics, it helps you make your way around nowadays.
Also, if life is temporary then why do you state a sustainer is necessary?
noeyedeer2jk89sx 1 year ago
@KenEdMurray I looked at the website and am not willing to give my name and address to a group I am unfamiliar with. You make a point (intensionally or not) that you understand God's plan. If this is true then you must be God. As this is not true, how does your argument advance? Claiming to know God's will is not only absurd but dangerous. Look through history and inspect the people that claim to know the thought process of the almighty. It never ends well.
MaterialMonist 1 year ago
@KenEdMurray
He's god, so he doesn't need oxygen to make us live.
Ever heard of the term anaerobic? Yep, thats right, life existed before oxygen did.
Life evolved to make use of oxygen simply because it was readily available, if you simply replaced oxygen with hydrogen in ancient times, we would be still be here, but breathing hydrogen.
noeyedeer2jk89sx 1 year ago
Non sequitour
bakven 1 year ago
@bakven
Heh heh! ...nice try ...but it is actually spelt Non sequitur ...not "Non sequitour" ...so it is a humourous reply that has no relevance to what preceded it.
KenEdMurray 1 year ago
Cool story bro.
EMOSSUCKABIGCOCK 1 year ago
When God created all things through Jesus Christ, the creation was "good'. Mankind was given free moral agency to choose between life & good and evil. Each decision has inbuilt consequences, cause & effect, reap what we sow, rewards & penalties. There is a great Plan that God is working out here on Earth, for us to be sons & daughters in God's family. Read: h t t p://w w w[dot]gnmagazine[dot]org/booklets/AS/
KenEdMurray 1 year ago
If everything is so perfectly designed, why are some people alllergic to things? And why would some people be fatally allergic? If God wanted some people to stay away from some food, I'm sure rashes and hives would be enough.... Why kill?
What's up with birth defects? There are some really poor designs there...
bobothewimpy 1 year ago
@ Ken
"If I told you I found this watch in the forest, and it evolved, you'd say I was crazy!"
That's right, Ken, I would. A watch being inorganic and unable to reproduce, no person who understands the basics of evolution would think it was possible.
Ken, we all know the difference between the designed and the undesigned. That's why you had to point to a watch instead of a tree. Think about it. I look forward to you removing my comment because you can't rebut it. As usual.
Rissoleking 1 year ago
The thing is that a judgemental God doesn't make sense. The only God that could ever make sense is an indifferent one. Why would a judgemental God create imperfect creatures and judge them on their imperfections?
Awesomo4003 1 year ago
@Awesomo4003
This is a question that people have pondered for ages.
Fact is that God does have a wonderful plan for all humans to be in His Family as Sons and Daughters of God.
To overcome and to develop the mind and character of Jesus Christ is the great challenge before all of us.
Check out: "What is Your Destiny?" at:
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KenEdMurray 1 year ago
@KenEdMurray Please explain to me how you can not answer my question and then proceed to tell me what is fact? Do you know how an argument works?
Awesomo4003 1 year ago
@Awesomo4003
They very purpose of creating something would be to judge it. And indifferent god wouldn't bother create anything because he didn't care or need anything in the first place. We create things to watch them and judge them thereafter.
BowofHaq 1 year ago
@BowofHaq Doesn't that make him a sadistic awful God? Since he could easily prevent any pain and suffering but chooses not to do so?
Awesomo4003 1 year ago
@Awesomo4003
Well, no... because he created pain itself. It's just a concept to him.
BowofHaq 1 year ago
@BowofHaq Please explain to me how that helps your argument in any way. If anything that makes him more sadistic because that means he consciously decided to give us a life time of suffering for no reason whatsoever.
Awesomo4003 1 year ago
@BowofHaq
"We create things to watch them and judge them thereafter."
You were one of those kids who caught flies just to pull off their wings, right?
Why would god create something just to judge it (and worse, blame it when it does something wrong)? That's like a carpenter blaming his table for its construction!
Rissoleking 1 year ago
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KenEdMurray 1 year ago
Logic does not exist
jessers333 1 year ago
devoid of any logic, pitiful
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Kocmyliusz 1 year ago
People just need to let it go youll never prove or disprove gods existance you can say all you want that there is a need for a designer when mathmatically it is possible for all of this to be created due to the enormity of the universe. You could say that god doesnt exist do to logical proofs that would make him obsolete and contradict himself but alternatively what did we know 100 years ago?
jessers333 1 year ago
Dude Watch do not reproduce.
I did not see the evidence of GOD, you just showed evidence of Reproductions and Natural Selection.
The forest has nothing to do with Beauty, in fact the forest do not give a razz ass to beauty, each and every tree there is the product of millions of years of adaptation to the environment by the best offspring of a predecessor who was very similar but slightly different.
JerezJulio 1 year ago
You're speaking to your audience as if most of us do not know what evolution or intelligent design is... or even what the bible says.
No matter how many Christians claim this is evidence for a God/creator of biological life forms... It has never ever been sufficient evidence... and it never will be. And you will continue to claim that evolution is a lie... even with overwhelming evidence... Nice try and good luck with finding real Creation evidence.
izovire 1 year ago
so humans are watches. thanks for clearing that up buddy.
Gauntletbloggs 1 year ago
dna changes while duplicating.
it cannot duplicate 100% accurately, 100% of the time, from the beginning of time.
therefore, there are changes (mutations)
these small changes lead to bigger changes over many generations.
Thats why each of your kids looks different from the other.
Same DAD dna meets same MOM dna and yet kids are different.
WHY? HMMM. DNA changes.
TooferMan 1 year ago
Watches need a designer. I agree.
Making watches is not a natural process.
Man designs watches.
Natural processes are not designed.
Boil water. it turns to steam. not designed. its a natural process.
Freeze water. it turns to ice. not designed. its a natural process.
Most natural processes are a lot more complicated, but are not designed.
TooferMan 1 year ago
Here IS evidence AGAINST the god of the Bible, YHVH.
Just as there can not be a one-dimentional swan
or a solid gas, or a fossilized flame,
there can NOT be a god of love
who devises evil against humanity.
Yet YHVH does so regularly.
I do not insist that there are NO gods,
but the evidence is very clear
that the god of Abraham, at least,
is a myth with no basis in fact.
Imaginefree69 1 year ago
Rom 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
Rom 1:21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
Rom 1:22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
KenEdMurray 1 year ago
@KenEdMurray maybe you should lay off the bible quotes and read a general biology textbook instead
jfleminator 1 year ago
to believe in evolution is crazy? no sir, to believe the evil stories in a dusty old book is crazy. which god do you believe in? to believe YOU, is crazy.
userwl2850 1 year ago
If God is truly a God of love and mercy, why does He not intervene? Some have concluded that God simply doesn't exist.
The answer, however, is much more intriguing. What does the Bible reveal about the causes of suffering?
CHECK out this answer:
h t t p://w w w[dot]ucg[dot]org/booklets/AS/
God has a great purpose and plan that extends beyond this life. The world will finally see an end to suffering, but it wont come through human effort.
The Bible reveals how that will happen.
KenEdMurray 1 year ago
@KenEdMurray Why would GOD create something he doesnt need (us), make us imperfect, then punish us for it? Why does he create suffering if he has the option not to? Is he so self absorbed that he requires us to worship him? Why, why, why?
prubare 1 year ago
@prubare Good questions Prubare. People have asked them from time immemorial.
The Plan of God is remarkable, and we humans have an awesome potential.
Answers to your questions can be read at:
h t t p://w w w[dot]gnmagazine[dot]org/booklets/WD/
You'll find the answers to why there is suffering and when it will end, if you read the URL at:
h t t p://w w w[dot]ucg[dot]org/booklets/AS/
KenEdMurray 1 year ago
@KenEdMurray hahahahahahahahahhahahaha you pretty much talked around his questions, nice one. avoid being faced with trying to present evidence at all costs. you brainwashed fool
Gauntletbloggs 1 year ago
@KenEdMurray How can you make the analogy that since a watch has a desiqner, then surely so must nature? This is nothing more than a quantum leap of the imagination that proves nothing.You seem to be well spoken, but if I said that since Rice Crispy cereal exists, then Snap, Crackle, and Pop, must be living breathing creatures, instead of part of a marketing campaiqn, I'm sure you would politely voice your disbelief.
420dudemeister 1 year ago
Jesus Christ warns those who blame and judge God:
"But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment.
For by your words you shall be justified, and by your words you shall be condemned."
(Matthew 12:36 - 37)
Everyone will get to face God at either the 1st or 2nd Resurrection to life.
Pray that you won't have to come up in the 3rd Resurrection.
KenEdMurray 1 year ago
God's love shines bright like the morning sun shines on a Nazi concentration camp. His goodness flows like a mighty river that drowns the innocent children. His greatness manifests himself in the surge of a tsunami that rids the planet of evil doers. God is great. God is also a serial killer. HA! HA!
cobalt100 1 year ago
"Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man sows, that shall he also reap." (Gal 6:7) "The LORD preserves all them that love Him: but all the wicked will He destroy."
(Psa 145:20)
"The wicked is snared by the transgression of his lips:" (Proverbs 12:13)
"A fool's mouth is his destruction, and his lips are the snare of his life." (Proverbs 18:7)
KenEdMurray 1 year ago
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KenEdMurray 1 year ago
God so loved the world that He decided to drown all of humanity 'cept 8 sailors who were on a holiday cruise in an Ark. HA! HA!
P.S. Was Joanne of Ark, Noah's wife?
cobalt100 1 year ago
Another uncouth attempt at humour with more misspelled words.
The real answer to: "why the Flood?" is found in Genesis 5:5-8.
I don't know who your "Joanne of Ark" was, Cobalt, but Joan of Arc has the last laugh on you.
She lived about 4,777yrs after Noah.
Heh heh!
KenEdMurray 1 year ago
Only "the fool has said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that does good. " (Ps 14:1; 53:1)
"For it is written, As I live, says the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God." (Rom 14:11)
KenEdMurray 1 year ago
Where on Earth do you find more bullshit than in a large dairy farm? Answer: In the Bible. HA! HA!
cobalt100 1 year ago
@cobalt100 You're right!
The mis-spelled word behind the 8 asterisks ...is "goodness".
Thanks for that Cobalt100.
As you keep cleansing your mind with goodness from the Bible ...your spelling is bound to get better.
Heh heh!
KenEdMurray 1 year ago
CHECK out also:
"Lightning Proof of God"
at:
h t t p://aaaworldwitness[dot]wordpress[dot]com/2009/04/05/lightning-proof-of-god/
How did lightning evolve?
Was there Mummy & Daddy lightning bolts??
KenEdMurray 1 year ago
I'm still not sure if this video is serious.
poomanonfire 1 year ago
If you told me that God made that watch, you would be deluded. To make a watch, you need a watchmaker - or as our evolution has provided us with, machines which can do it for us more accurately.
Darryld1 1 year ago
I have a question, even if you believe in Evolution(from what I know that means animals evolving into humans) how did the animals even get her for humans to evolve into huh? SOMEONE had to put the animals on the Earth they didn't just appear. How did the Earth get here? SOMEONE had to put it here it didn't just come out of nowhere, and that someone is OBVIOUSLY GOD! Love & Believe in God and the Lord
-God bless you all!♥
Arden15yr 2 years ago
But this guy contradicts himself and his argument in infinite. If something has to com from something else, where did God come from? And so on and so on.
prubare 1 year ago
@Arden15yr There are answers to your questions out there but re educating you is impossible, you are a lost cause. If you are happy with what you believe then who am I to say ignorance is wrong.
poomanonfire 1 year ago
@poomanonfire I wouldn't call it ignorance, but I am glad that you respect my belief.
Arden15yr 1 year ago
a watch is not a living thing haha you are so stupid
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KenEdMurray 2 years ago
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prubare 2 years ago
Evolution also gave humans the ability to become extremely deluded and psychotic. Not even our closest relatives (apes) behave as if they are anything but apes.
Darryld1 1 year ago
I am evidence for God.
'i once was lost and now. I'm found'!
jamesglory1 2 years ago
There is the great Intelligent Engineer, Designer, Creator, Life Giver, Lawgiver, and Sustainer of the countless complex systems, symbiotic Living plants & animals & Inorganic things.
Check out these FREE booklets:
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KenEdMurray 2 years ago