Sex and the citizens

[GreekChild31]

greece still has the highest percentage of people that have sex minimum of once a week 87%.

[psysprouts]

The pope screwed us all!

[GreekChild31]

@psysprouts pope had nothing to do with it, the pope is for Catholic christians..Greeks are Orthodox and dont "worship" the pope as catholics do

[AntiGramatikos10]

It's so stupid when the champions of homosexuality call the Greeks gays.

[KSYPNHSTEZWA]

με ομοφυλοφιλους που εχουν κομπλεξ επειδη τους βριζουν καποιοι σημερα και ετσι σκαρφιστηκαν να βγαζουν φλωρους τους αρχαιους για να μην ντρεπονται

δεν βγαζει κανενας ακρη...

[EllasHTefra7]

If you want to learn the truth (which I doubt) use google translator for these links

hellas . wordpress . com / 2007 / 02 / 07 / ganymedes /

w w w . promitheasblog . com / 2010 / 10 / blog - post _ 15 . html

w w w . pare-dose . net / ? p = 1609

[EdM021]

@EllasHTefra7 First you tell me not to go to blogs but the original texts. Then you tell me to go to two blogs. You can't have it both ways! And I spent the whole day yesterday reading Aeschines' Against Timarchus. What the ancient text actually revealed about Athenian mores puts paid to your idea that the ancient Greeks always banned homosexuality and enforced it. Whereas Aeschines himself said that the Greeks honoured and valued life-long relationships between two men. (A.T. I. 132-155)

[EdM021]

Not only did they have heterosexual imagery which Reuters showed but also homosexual imagery as well. Boys were extremely popular back then and men who were 'bottoms' were tolerated even if looked down on. The dangerous cult called Christianity changed all that.

[EllasHTefra7]

@EdM021 Homosexuality was illegal in ancient Greece. Homosexual had no political rights (which had much greater importance than it has today) and sometimes they were exiled or even killed

[EdM021]

@EllasHTefra7 That's a misinterpretation. Homosexuality was perfectly legal so long as the freeborn adolescent or young adult male wasn't a rent boy and the adult male limited himself to adolescent boys and young adult men under 25 and was a "top," yet refrained from anally penetrating his "bottom." Even so, the laws weren't always enforced. The politician Cleisthenes was known to be a "bottom" as was the playwright Agathon. The orator Demosthenes was called batalos (stutterer or ***hole).

[EllasHTefra7]

@EdM021 This is all jewish and gay propaganda.The laws were very strict for ALL gays and were ALWAYS enforced.Gays were considered the shame of the state and had no political rights so Cleisthenes particularly couldn't be gay. The things you are stating so confidently as facts, do not exist in ANY ancient text. You probably read them in some blog of questionable quality.I know it's difficult for you being a fag and all, but next time before you try to spread your sick lies,check the facts first.

[EdM021]

@EllasHTefra7 No, I got it, amongst other reputable sources, out of Eva C. Keuls' well-researched book called "The Reign of the Phallus: Sexual Politics in Ancient Athens" published by the University of California Press and is available at the California Digital Library. Of course it took a gay (John Boswell) to break the dam but increasingly the Christians and homophobes' set of facts are being shown to be based on blatant Christian propaganda.

[EllasHTefra7]

@EdM021 And fyi, batalos doesn't mean anything in greek. Stuttere is "travlos" and ***hole is "poustara".

Name any city-state you want and I will translate for you all it's anti-gay laws for all ages.

[EdM021]

@EllasHTefra7 No, at the least batalos means stutterer (Greek Word Study Tool at Perseus dot Tufts dot edu) The same website says traulos [travlos] is lisping! And found nothing for poustara.) The word definitions were taken verbatim from the Liddel-Scott-Jones and Middle Liddel Greek-English lexica. Ms. Keuls found out it also meant "asshole." Are you confusing ancient Greek for modern?

Again, you are confusing all homosexual activiity with two activities that are a subset thereof.

[EdM021]

@EliasHTefra7 And if homosexuality were so damned illegal in ancient Greece then 'splain the Rape of Gandymede. Everybody damn well knows that it was all the result of homosexual desire for a young man on Zeus' part.

[EllasHTefra7]

@EdM021 Where does it say that Zeus raped Ganymede???Zeus brought him to Olympus,gave him immortality and made him sommelier of the Gods. Just like he made immortals Hercules,Dioscuri and others.The rape part is the sick fantasy of some perverts who like twisting history.

“Everybody” shouldnt be so sure,unless they read proof about it (and by proof I mean ancient texts,not some blog).

Proof-->Homer’s Iliad, H 278, Xenophon’s Symposium VIII, 28-36, Aeschines’s Against Timarchus

and many more

[EdM021]

@EllasHTefra7 Plato, Laws, 636D in Thomas Hubbard, Homosexuality in Greece and Rome, p252

According to Plato's character the Ganymede myth had been invented by the Cretans– Minoan Crete being a power center of pre-Greek culture – to account for same-sex love and imported thence into Greece.

Hymn to Aphrodite 202 - 217 Aphrodite to Anchises: Mentions the taking of Gandymede by Zeus, appears to have an erotic character to it for Zeus was captivated by his beauty. 218 - 230 Eos abducts...

[EdM021]

@EliasHTefra Eos abducts Tithonos for his beauty but alas she asked for him to be immortal but not to stay young. And at the end of her reconnitering Ganymede's abduction, the father gets a team of horses as a gift.

For the etymology of his name Robert Graves (The Greek Myths) offers ganuesthai (from ganow [ γανόω] ) + medea [μήδεα], "rejoicing in virility." In virility? In male genitals more like!!

When Zeus brings Ganymede in, Zeus' consort, Hera was NOT amused! He was competition.

[EdM021]

@EllasHTefra7 You shouldn't have sent me to Xenophon's Symposium VIII. You just wrecked your own case. VIII.3b, 4, 7, 8:

[3b] "Are you the only person, Antisthenes, in love with no one?”

[4] “No, by Heaven!” replied he; “I am madly in love—with you.”

And Socrates, banteringly, pretending to be coquettish, said: “Don't pester me just now; I am engaged in other business, as you see.”

[7] But as for you, Callias, all the city knows that you are in love with Autolychus, and so, I think...

[EdM021]

@EliasHTefra7 and so, I think, do a great many men from abroad. The reason for this is the fact that you are both sons of distinguished fathers and are yourselves in the public eye.

[8] Now, I have always felt an admiration for your character, but at the present time I feel a much keener one, for I see that you are in love with a person who is not marked by dainty elegance nor wanton effeminacy, but shows to the world physical strength and stamina, virile courage and sobriety. Setting one's..

[EdM021]

@EliasHTefra7 Setting one's heart on such traits gives an insight into the lover's character.

...love of friendship and of noble conduct. That is the sort of love, Callias, that seems to have you in its grip. [11] I infer this from the noble nature of the one you love and because I see that you include his father in your meetings with him. For the virtuous lover does not make any of these matters a secret from the father of his beloved.” [12]

It's virtuous, indeed, & it's same-sex love.

[EllasHTefra7]

@EdM021 I really dont have the time to fight the sick lies you are copying and pasting. You are exactly the reason why they say "Sciolism is worse than ignorance". You have no idea about ancient Greek yet you copy paste from blogs and think you know everything. It's like having a teacher say "I love my students" and then some pervert says that he's a pedophile. THAT'S what you get when you have perverts and fags translating.

[EdM021]

@EllasHTefra7 So Perseus Tufts edu, a most valued source on ancient texts where one can get both the original Greek AND English online - and check the translation by using their lexicon resoources which are digital verions of lexicons built by the Victorians - is just a stinkin' blog! Ditto with Fordham University's online reproductions of the translated texts. Got it.

"Sick lies [I am] copying and pasting?"

So tell me... why are you such a tumescent denier of facts about Ancient Greece?

[EllasHTefra7]

@EdM021 Life long relationships between men is deep friendship and admiration, not homosexuality! How perverted is that! Thats just what I'm saying: You misinterpret the words about healthy friendship and you thinki its about homosexuality. Thats just disgusting. If your translations are like that, then they're rubbish. But I doubt that, I think you are seeking to misinterpret.

Perseus site doesnt even have the symposium.

Fake sources = lame

[EdM021]

@EllasHTefra7 I didn't say they had EVERYTHING. It's too bad you have such a cramped, blinkered view of homosexuality. What Aechines said (actually quoted Homer according to then-extant manuscripts) about Patroclus and Achilles IN GREEK would knock your socks off. (And probably get your **** ****.) Achilles vowed that the two would be buried TOGETHER in the SAME COFFIN. Sounds a little too intimate to "just friends" to me. And their relationship included EROS. And it said that in the GREEK.

[EdM021]

@EliasHTefra7 Most people would consider their relationship to be a homosexual one.

So I guess the Victorians were a bunch o' pervs, eh? Aechylus was a perv, eh? And what about all those ancient Greek artists who painted frescoes and created ceramics? The homoerotic content in some is obvious! Google images for "The Abduction of Ganymede", "Praestum Pederasty", and "Tarquinia."

Ancient Statuary, Frescoes and Ceramics Do Not Lie.

As far as I am concerned, you have zero credibility.

[EdM021]

@EliasHTefra7 "Perseus site doesnt even have the symposium." Maybe not PLATO'S but DEFINITELY Xenophon's. Where do you think I got the the quote??? You don't even know how to further investigate a website when the laziest route yields no results!

Don't even bother responding to this because I know you have zero credibility. You're just another troll and it's time I stopped feeding you. Bye.

[EllasHTefra7]

@EdM021 And the fact that today exists gay or animal porn means that everyone (Or most people) are gay and zoophile??? Nobody said there were NO gays, there always are, thats biology. But they were the shame of the city.

As for Achilles, Briseis was his prize and his sex slave. Achilles sacked Hypoplacian Thebe, the hometown of Briseis and killed Bryseus, his sons and Mynes, the king and husband of Briseis. He took her into his camp and lay with her in his bed.

[EllasHTefra7]

@EdM021 Patroclus promised her that he would make her the wife of Achilles, but Patroclus died before he could accomplish this . Before he died Achilles fell in love with Penthesilia. Some say that Achilles married Helen in the afterlife, so Briseis was always a slave for him.

And after that you call Achilles gay? It doesnt occur to you that he was friends like brothers with Patroclus and that he slept with these women, no, he has to be gay because you have a complex.

[EllasHTefra7]

@EdM021 Aesopus Myth:

"When Zeus created people,he put in them all the virtues, but he forgot to put the Shame. When he remebered,he did not know how to put her in, so he commanded her to enter by the ass.She disagreed strongly but said:

"Only with this agreement I will enter: if anyone else enters after me, I will then immediately exit".

And thats why gays are shameless."

The name for homosexuals was the harshest word in Greek language, kinaidos (κίναιδος), which means "he who causes shame"

[EdM021]

@EllasHTefra7 Of course! You equate homosexuality with just anal sex between men! There has always been and still is a LOT more to homosexuality than just gay male anal sex! And I know EXACTLY what a κίναιδος was -- he was the one who "rode" someone else's "crux" (central point) "stauros (σταυρός)" (pale) or "skolopos (σκόλοπος)" (thorn).

For a guy who absoulutely looks down on a κίναιδος as if he were worth less than human solid waste, you sure doth protest a lot.

[tech41918]

YAOI IS BETTER

[musardus]

i am horny

[begrievingsnow]

i love how sex is a bonding activity of affection in ones relationship...........kudos to sex.

[hastounis]

come on sex is something natural. why we must that all sexoual things are bad

this isn't porn!!

[VCat2006]

@hastounis Why is this not porn? Porn is not bad.

[deadbirdflyinghome]

"...Such concepts expressed at the same way now could get you into a lot of trouble..." Obviously the narrator hasn't been to greece recently. The streets and kiosks proudly portray in public viewing for ALL AGES to see, very graphic magazines. I don't know what its like in rome, but here almost every ad has some sexual context.

[DieForSnacks]

@DerDRAKOS I don't like Christians they destroyed most of the works of Slovenian mythology and some of the celtic and egyptian!! My God how could they?

[Gingie4life]

@DieForSnacks y Christians destroyed that? nd were more sexually works?

[EdM021]

@DieForSnacks Because your God, which they invented with their brains, told them to.

[GreekChild31]

@DerDRAKOS there is nothing worse to greek culture, then greeks who have left abroad take up anglosaxion culture and lose there greek heritage then bring Anglo ideas back to Greece. what kind of saying is that? Christian plague? there would be no greece if it wasnt for the Christian revolution to kick the turks out..greece would have been apart of turkey today if not for christianity..

[itachiitachi1946]

@GreekChild31 actually church was against greek revolution..read some history u idiot.and stop pretending beeing a greek cause w/e u say is so anti greek.malaka..

[GreekChild31]

@itachiitachi1946 go back to Australia u atheist

[itachiitachi1946]

@GreekChild31 go back to australia u religious

[Satanarchiste]

Good Vidéo Kick the ass of Bible Fanatics !

[jadeamitiel]

How did an otherwise fascinating video about ancient art and culture turn into a bible battle? I just... god, YouTube's comments section is always such a sewer on inanity.

[easycomedy]

I'm sorry, I just really like ancient art lol. Art and laws don't really go together so can we just not go there? I thought this would be humorous but some people are going apeshit. Calm yourself and remove said brick from ass. :) Thanks!!!!

[ZuttaJedi]

Well...when in rome....

[the2012report]

Well, they didn't have tv.

[pubtor]

interesting exhibition

[SkyDaddy7]

We can thank the Christians for making sex a sin!

[jamaulbrown]

that's an ignorant comment ! Obviously you're not very educated on the topic..

[SkyDaddy7]

@jamaulbrown I think you should read up on Roman History & how Christianity changed the culture of Rome.

After you do this you will be embarrassed you said what you did.

[jamaulbrown]

You're assuming that I was talking about the historical roman culture..

You're ignorant on what sin is. Sin is going against Gods command. Sin was not an invention by Christians. Christian were following the truth.

(now tell me you don't believe in God) ..

[SkyDaddy7]

@jamaulbrown Well, I guess I was giving you the benefit of the doubt, I was wrong!

just curious...What day of the week do you go to church to worship the Christian god?

[jamaulbrown]

Sunday - the same day the pagans in Rome worshiped their sun god. (obviously that's the reason you asked)

Do you not think it's good to teach a child to have multiple sex partner when their older? Or maybe teaching your daughter to be a whore? If not, then it's not a moral act (it's a sin!) ..

hope that helps! ;)

[SkyDaddy7]

@jamaulbrown It kinda takes away from you invoking god when it comes to sex but you willfully disobey god when it comes to the Sabbath. Lets be honest, disobeying the Sabbath is one of the worse things a so-called Christian can do.

Since we both know you really don't follow god's commandments why not just say having multiple partners can hazardous to your health and can lead to unwanted pregnancies...Why invoke god especially whenyou really don't take god's commandments that seriously?

[jamaulbrown]

haha.. again, your ignorant on a topic. This time it's "God's commandments" ..

"keeping the Sabbath" is not a commandment for Christians. Christians have been freed from Law with the death of Jesus. But this does not mean Christian can go around and sin obviously.

Maybe you should read the Bible .. your comment "disobeying the Sabbath is one of the worse things a so-called Christian can do" is very wrong :)

[SkyDaddy7]

@jamaulbrown DO WHAT? And you are telling me to read the Bible! The only thing that was done away with was Mosaic ceremonial law - the law of sacrifices! As far as god's commandments, god's law, Christians are bound to it, period!

You need to read your Bible and quit listening to others lie to you!

Jesus was clear! Matt 5:17-20...It is clear throughout the Bible keeping the Sabbath is a must! 1 John 5:3

Kinda odd how you have rewritten your god's law for your own enjoyment.

Try again!

[SkyDaddy7]

@jamaulbrown Keep this in mind...If you honestly believe their is a god who gave his only begotten Son to save you...Matt 5:17-20 says you will never enter the kingdom doing what you are doing!!

You will be left down here with us Heathens!!

Seriously, why act like you believe in Bronze Age Myth? You have completely altered the entire purpose of god's law! LOL! Seriously, who do you think you are fooling?

I bet you would be the first to say no to same sex marriage, huh?

[jamaulbrown]

Since you quoted Jesus, I'll ask you this - Do you believe Jesus sinned by breaking the Sabbath? (Matthew 12:10; Mark 3:2, John 9:1416) ..

If Jesus did NOT sin (since that's the point of the Bible) - then we must concluded that your understand of this verse is wrong .. I suggest you search for that verse on google and read a Bible Study about it ..

There are also many other verses that contradict your "understanding" of the verse. You need to put everything in context..

[SkyDaddy7]

@jamaulbrown You know Jesus went to the Temple on the Sabbath. Yes, Jesus healed on the Sabbath but that has nothing to do with worship on the Sabbath. What you are telling me is the 10 commandments no longer apply. Or did Jesus do away with just 1 of the 10?

You know he did not. I honestly laugh at the hoops so-called believers jump through to convince themselves they are true to the word when it obvious to anyone looking in from the outside they are not! Its your mythology not mine!

[SkyDaddy7]

@jamaulbrown I will say this, I have seen many Christians try the same excuses about Jesus doing away with god's law. However, I am not saying you are a hypocrite in this way but the same folks will claim god's law when they openly hate & deny equal rights to gays. god's law does not apply to the self proclaimed devout Christians but yet they do not hesitate to invoke god's law on others.

Religion is a JOKE! Its Bronze Age Mythology. Is it not?

[SkyDaddy7]

@jamaulbrown

We don't need a Bronze Age book to know right from wrong is my point. Matter of fact it is our secular laws that keep folks from following god's law as written...Much of it is illegal in our society today. And that is a very good thing!!

Our morals do not come from any religious text.

[jamaulbrown]

"Our morals do not come from any religious text. " .. hey .. we agree on something ... We were CREATED to know the difference between good & evil.

[CitizenViews]

this is also how multiple diseases were introduced to the human race.

[alex3914]

What's with the icon color change...someone gettin bold up their in NWO-reutersville?

[ALAPINO]

Noticed that, too.

Hasn't really changed anything else, though. ;)

[graphattic]

Good old ancient holistic banging.....