New York and California both deserve everything that is coming to them as they collapse from the weight of their own liberal socialist policies, I just hope that the rest of the country isn't expected to bailout these cities and states that can't seem to understand that they can't afford any more free rides, the gravy train has left the station YOUR BROKE! No bailouts stop whinning and deal with it.
How sad to think these *&^% people teacher our children this garbage. We should deport them to Venezuela, where they would be happier with Hugo Chavez
Wow Michael Bloomberg purports to get the City Council to override voter mandated term limits so he can steal a third term, and initiates an UN-elected school board "panel?" These folks deserve to be embarrassed!
Nice Work OWS parents and teachers! You have raised the bar above "business as usual." School administrators should not be political appointees! Even a non-parent can see that!
Washington DC is a corporation... We are being run by a corpporation, called government, that makes Enron & Bernie Madoff look like a misdeamer. So what happens after the occupy..
@Lukasd2009 OWS isn't the 99%, it isn't even 1% of the general population. It is Vigilantes/Thugs R US. And what happens if they decide they don't like you? Will they disrupt your meeting, impoverish your business, harass the restaurant you work at, shut down the museum you child is going to? All of which they have done, because what they have to say is more important than anything or anyone else. "But it's about the bailouts and Wall Street". Sure.
@nickedoso These people of OWS are the most educated, reasonable people in this country right now. Vigilantes? Thugs? This is a peaceful movement. There is a very strict policy of peaceful action. The incidents of violence have almost exclusively been perpetrated by the police where violence has occurred. Looking for vigilantes and thugs? Look there.
@nickedoso How do you think the politicians in office right now are treating us? They don't care whats good for the people, they care about whats good for them and their big, corrupt, corporation backers. We are under the rule of a bought D.C.
I have been inspired by this. I think that this is an interesting way to use the occupy movement to effect change. I think I might propose that we use our movement in my city the same way.
How can you vote out someone you didn't elect? These people were not elected from local communities, they were appointed by a lackey whose main focus is on paving the way for demise of democracy and the rise of the oligarchy. (Now that business moguls can easliy hide behind the mask of corporate America they are running the country and the global economy ((deliberately usurping democracies, re-regulating social and industrial policies)) in the interest of the 1 % instead of the 99 %).
@DoubtNoMore Did Bloomberg a man worth $20 Billion before he was Mayor give up his time because he decided he could use the same skillset to help the people of NYC or to become more Powerful? Certainly he could use these last 8 years to make another $20 Billion, but choose to use that time to lead NYC. His net worth has not increased since, so he is not using his influence for his own gain. Surely the Mayor-ship is a losing business proposition for him, so it has to be another reason, no?
What a bunch if idiotic moonbats!! All these freaks want is mob rule. Hope the panel went and voted as they damn well pleased. Next time anybody interrupting should be physically ejected from the meeting. These idiots want to circumvent any due process and create chaos. That is no way to hold a meeting. This mob has effectively boxed out all decent parents from any opportunity to have their voice heard. Terrorists. We need the rule of law, not this filthy mob.
@jwhat01 due process? they're interrupting a NON-elected board that replaced the ELECTED board for schools. The rule of law would be a democratically elected group.
NO. Disrupting a public meeting, denying other parents the opportunity to be heard or to hear is NOT due process. It is mob rule. These people are idiots and selfish and childish. They are a horrible example for our kids. Every one of them needs to be arrested for disrupting a public meeting. Then they can use their MIC CHECK!! on Bubba in the jailhouse. I am sick of these greedy bastards trying to take and take and take. Nothing but moochers, sucking off of decent society.
If they really wanted power to be returned to the people then why did the parents constantly back the Teachers when conservatives wanted to take the power away from the "Public" education system and return it to the peaple via charter schools and school vouchers? The system in place now is exactly the system you get when big government takes over. When you have a National Education system you don't really get any real input. You don't get a vote.
This was beautiful. Empowerment of the people these representatives are supposed to represent. It's a shame the chairmen childishly left instead of staying and doing their job.
what the media, politicians, banks and corporations dont understand is that they are no longer in charge anymore. The people are not looking for a new president, a new congress, a new law, or new bank restrictions. The people are looking to over throw the whole system to give the power back to the people. No longer will we be fed crumbs.
Now a loyalist Teabagger would have to say that those protestors should be shot for having the temerity to challenge a duly authorized official meeting like that.
I trust the parents and the NYC public. I think they do not have many opportunities to be in the discussion and honestly this is probably only the beginning. We need to focus on education and not spend our money on so many wars. Officials are used to the status quo and the only reason why NYC is not filled with green plants on the tops and instead trying to build nuclear near poor peoples houses is because the people's voice is not being heard. Corporations destroyed to much already
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What did they accomplish? They shut down a meeting by having a collective hissy fit. There was no conversation - just twinkle fingers or whatever they call them. They just made asses of themselves. So silly and childish.
@katwil89 Haha no they completely did NOT make asses out of themselves. Look at the big picture, don't be narrow minded. This is what needs to happen more, instead of listening to corruption. Corporations arent looking out for kids and their education, they're looking out for profit and how to brainwash another person like you, not to speak up. When these occupied cities let every single person there speak..Were letting them know they are not running the show any more..POWER TO THE PEOPLE!!!
We need more pro newsmag pieces- thanks for funding this. I was moved to tears by this informative,thoughtful and direct video and this is simple to produce. The direct Action provided the script anticipating PEP's reactionary retreat perfectly. Kudos to the DI planners and occupiers. You were dignified and plain spoken in your message. Your emotion in the Peoples Mike reading was palpable. - a Providence Occupier
We need more pro newsmag pieces- thanks for funding this. I was moved to tears by this informative,thoughtful and direct video and this is simple to produce. The direct Action provided the script anticipating PEP's reactionary retreat perfectly. Kudos to the DI planners and occupiers. You were dignified and plain spoken in your message. Your emotion in the Peoples Mike reading was palpable.
Why are any of you replying to NickeDoso go to his channel and see what his subscriptions are. He is some coward that won't post from his real account.
Obama raised $750 million for his presidential Campaign and McCain raised $230 million. A Corporation is limited to $5000 per Candidate per Campaign, and the Records show that 3,000,000 people donated the $750,000,000 which is average $250 per person out of a population of 310,000,000 people. 403,000 of the 3,000,000 donated more than $200. Google "NY Times Study Obama Small Donors".
@jfan2000jfan By the way, I'm trying to point out that People are in the end more Powerful than Corporations, even a $10 donation is powerful considering 3,000,000 donated averaging only $250 and thats $750,000,000 and surprisingly only $1.8 million of Obama's funds were from a PAC (Political Action Committee), this is also typical of other Candidates. Google "open secrets 2008 election". There is a lot of Counter-intuitive stats there that reflect the actual power is in the people.
idk man you sound naive to me. If these big businesses and banks were run by people who actually flood the american economy with money so it could circulate I would be arguing back about how bailouts are wonderful. It's not about bailouts or no bailouts to be frank. We gave them all this money and they invested in non domestic ventures or war. Because the same banks have vested intrest in the miliary industrial complex. Now citizens are stuck with THEIR debts.
@latidoeterno Those parties have to take the first step and allow open forums capable of dynamically reaching consensus decisions. THIS is what Democracy looks like.
4:20 - "...less state test and more Arts and Music classes..." I work with a group of Indians and they can't believe how behind the United States is in Math and Science. And how easy our State test are. Many say the 8th grade classes are what they learned in 5th grade. I also hear the same thing from Chinese and other Asians. And we spend 3 times as much per child than any of those countries, where is all the money going?
People from the outside should recognize the American Transitional Council headed by #OWS as the legitimate government of the USA. Dictator Mubarack Obomber should now join his fellow dictators to exile in Saudi Arabia!
"The capable children of potentially dissident families were kept down by being excluded from broad access to the best schools." de Mesquita et al. The Dictator's Handbook (p. 109). If you are poor and you protest against DOE, beware of retribution. Example: the recent destruction of PS 184 by DOE as revenge of parents' lawsuit against Chancellor Walcott. DOE is an authoritarian regime; its sole purpose is to generate salaries for its bureaucrats. Look at the smirk on Walcott's face.
@Yankhadenough Some here think every job in Government should be elected, that the Mayor can't hire his own people to run the city. Apparently they want to elect the Mayor then choose his team for him also.
@jfan2000jfan but education is something students and parents should have a say in, more so than just electing a mayor and hoping he does the right thing. when we elect an official there are too many issues to focus on and nobody can look at the specifics of a representatives policy until after they are elected. students/parents need to be able to act quickly to make appropriate changes in a school and it is impossible to do that when an appointed board has already been given an agenda.
@tehboyscout How much of it is corruption and how much of it is just compromise. At any work place when you work with several deptments, there is always some politics even in an apolitical sector business, and in any project its about "pleasing" all parties, like 5 way compromises, Business deals, negotiations and leverage. We don't know all the details nor do we have time to track all details thats why we elect people we trust, in hopes they hire people they trust and so on...never perfect.
@jfan2000jfan School Board is not 'his own people' to run the schools. Traditionally the School Board is an elected body by the citizens to determine who they want to run their schools for their children , until Bloomberg got hold of it. It is the epitome of arrogance that Bloomberg did this against the will of the people
@tehboyscout Total AGI is a bigger number, AGI is Adjusted Gross Income which includes Captial gains. But the top 10% still makes 43.2% of all available Income but did pay 70.5% of all income Taxes collected. Total AGI 2009 was about 7.7 Trillion and total Income Tax collected was about 2.4 Trillion which is roughly 30%.
OUTSTANDING. One person and 1 microphone can NOT overpower 200 voices. Hey Dennis Walcott you were put there by Bloomberg NOT by the people of New York. You don't represent us. You can NOT stand real democracy. You were invited to the GA and you refuse to go. Get used to this type of events because we are coming. WE THE PEOPLE ARE NOT SILENCE NO MORE.
Oh please! You didn't even try to have conversation. This was all about creating a scene, not trying to have anyone listen to what you said. They all left because you wouldn't listen to them! What was left was just your crowd. That wasn't democracy, that was thuggery. "Get used to this type of events(sic) because we are coming" -threats of more thuggery. "We are right" so we can be rude, obnoxious, use a child. You have no idea how normal people look at this.
Wow, look at that, they accomplished nothing other than shutting down a meeting . Their hollering was empty rhetoric as usual and did not solve one issue but caused one. Absolutely useless as is their general assemblies. They do not want to hear what someone has to say unless it matches their views , otherwise you are shut out. Direct democracy is nothing more than mob rule . OCCUPY a clue.
Aww, did I hurt your feelings with the truth? It's happened to me personally so you cannot call it false and as for that video being of some significance ... tell me what they were asking for other than empty platitude.
@ckovarovic (sigh) its time for me to go in you. Let see.... First of all your previous comment had not one iota of truth. How can you say they didnt accomplish anything when before their please went unnoticed by the board. They couldn't even go on with the fallacy when the people voiced their opinion. As for you hurting my feelings suck my libertarian dick. Lol for you to leave a comment lik that in the first place its easy to see who was offended.
Yes they accomplished a lot, the board left and ignored them completely..... I bet the world will change. Yes, I can see how you are right , I'm sure the whole education system will heed their every demand.... oh wait, the board left and didn't hear their demands, did they make any demands ? I didn't hear any, other than "Watch us interrupt your proceedings like a petulant child." but I'm sure the board marched right back in and listened to them individually.
@ckovarovic Don't be an idiot.... you really think the video was the end of this issue? how long do you think a few will be able to persist injustice when the majority are so outwardly against it? You're just mad at the video. THE TRUTH IS the board will have to listen to those people. And if not all, most of the demands initially voiced in this video will be met.
Majority? You mean the majority in that meeting? because the occupy movements are not the majority, they are near 10% and that's generous. As for their demands , they didnt make demands at all, they accused the board of being non democratic and for making decisions and only asking for input as a matter of circumstance, then continued to ridicule them. They then told them that real discussion was an occupy general assembly which is bullshit in itself.
@ckovarovic I don't know if you pulled 10% out of your ass or what.... cuz i kno you dont mean the occupy movements are 10% of the the population when the unemployment rate is even higher than tht. Secondly, of cvourse they are the majority in that meeting! The board makes decisions that effect the kids who go to school and the teachers who show up! Now tell me who was in their finally making their voices heard after being ignored for so long.
Yes the occupy movement is 10% being generous . Using the unemployment numbers as the occupy numbers is disingenuous as I know plenty that are unemployed and not a part of that mob. Most of the occupied cities are a hundred to 1000 people only. The OWS movement does not have as much support as they are making claim to. As for that meeting , the people in there solved nothing, they just proved that a true democracy is mob rule, thus our republic.
@ckovarovic Your right our republic is mob rule this why 400 people own more wealth than 150 million ppl combined in this country. C'mon man get the fuck outta here you just make excuses supporting the few who have and misappropriate their power.
LOL Now we are bringing in corporate bailouts, great, I'll agree there. The government never should have bailed out any business, nor give billions to the failing green companies it has. Here's where the point matches.... you are fighting the wrong enemy. The enemy is the congress and the president and his administration. Disrupting capitalism to protest the government is ass backwards. Oh, and you are NO libertarian, direct democracy is the absence of liberty.
@ckovarovic Wrong, the government is a wholly owned subsidiary of big business. Multi-billion dollar media corporations control the narrative which hide the reality that the politicians are taking multi-million dollar bribes. They use their power to empower their big business friends, who in turn fund their re-election campaigns and use propaganda to support them. The problem in america lies in BOTH big business and our government, because they are one in the same.
Take out the government bailouts and the businesses that were destined to fail wouldn't be able to continue on. As for who is putting money into government, you have more money going to government from unions than corporations. All you need to do is look up the campaign donations records to see that.
@ckovarovic Key words "TAke out the bailouts" ...... yes we can ignore more than 700 billion dollars. The amount of money these banks and business have has sky rocketed since tht "mistake" by obama. If you even wanna call it tht. You can call it him paying is corporate business interests for putting him in office.
Take out the bailouts meant do not pay them and allow businesses to fail that are not floating on their own. You misinterpret what I was saying. No more bailouts ...ever. Sink or swim.
@ckovarovic WTF do you think the bailouts were?? They werent genuine attempt to save the U.S. economy!! The only thing that happened as a result of the bailouts was concentrating MORE wealth in the hands of the top 1 and 2%. DUH!!!
@ckovarovic The trouble is that the majority of the taxpayers are not benefitting from the money they are paying to build their country - instead taxes are being used to make the 1% richer and more powerful. Taxes must be fairly distributed and fairly collected. Taxes should be used for social good and to build and maintain the infrastructures that keeps our country safe, modern and moving forward. Right now 99% of us pay our fair share while the 1% pay a pittance and reap the most benefits.
You couldn't be further from the truth. The top 5 % foots most of the tax bill, how you figure they pay less than everyone else just makes me not want to respond to you at all. Please go get your tax facts straight then come back and repost please. As for government spending our taxes ,they have 18 enumerated powers on which they are entitled to spend , anything beyond that is unconstitutional and should be stopped .
@ckovarovic Where do you get your facts? If you make over 100k a year you don't have to pay for social security. The rest of us do, and we probably won't even get to see any of it at this point. So how do you figure the top 5% pay less?
@ckovarovic Ok lemme ask you a question those big banks like AIG, Goldman sachs, J.P. Morgan....all the ones that got bailouts.....what do you think would have been the result if these financial instutions had failed? You ever knocked down dominoes with each other?
They would have filed for bankruptcy under a restructure agreement as any other business does. You do not use the tax payer to prop up failed businesses nor do you regulate the banks with federal entities like Fanny and Freddie. Any time the government gets involved in private industry, it fails. Amtrak being a good case in point.
@tehboyscout coulda fooled me obama is bush plus some smooth talkin and darker skin. They both represent oppression.... the only thing is obama deserves an oscar or academy award.
@ckovarovic There was one demand, the 8 yr old girl wanted "...less state test and more Arts and Music classes..." and the Occupiers clapped in agreement. Looks to me like their only goal was to indulge in their self platitudes of one another, more so than actually providing any actionable solutions.
@jfan2000jfan well standardized state testing is a tool that is used to keep certain schools poor and others rich. Its a fact. look at any county and you will see it. how is a poor school going to do well on the state tests and get more funding if they don't have enough money to compete for good teachers and books?
To the nay-sayers, the quickest way to get over your cynicism, doubt, and fear is to go to an Occupy General Assembly. Most beautiful thing ever. Love and Solidarity from Oakland!
@MrAnconsheep "Go forth and revolt"--pretty clear statement of purpose there. And that is what the purpose is. If people don't get it, they haven't been watching.
The panel member at the very beginning licking his lips creeped me out. They all looked like creepy pricks, except the black guy who just look confused.
Anyone with concerns for the Occupy movement, or any of their actions can visit their own local movements, and discuss their ideas/concerns (in an intelligent manor) with other participants. But keep in mind that if you are not trying to listen to what people have to say, the odds are that people will not listen to what you have to say either.
The United States is a Democracy but nearly every aspect of our local, state, federal Government is run as a Constitutional Republic. That is, the people vote for a Representative to act on their behalf. Direct Democracy would be chaos and inefficient, one can imagine this scenario by imagining a Jury of 315,000,000 people deciding every minute detail of every issue... it would lead to a stand still immediately if you run Government as a Direct Democracy.
@jfan2000jfan Direct democracy doesn't have to be implemented for "every minute detail". Even if it was implemented for the most controversial of the laws/decisions that affect each one of us in a major way, such as should we go to war? Or should we bail out banks/corporations? (Switzerland for example, does this through referendums.) It would go a long way to make people feel like their voice actually matters and they're not merely pawns in a game where broken campaign promises rule the day.
@osdias Lets assume we have a "Legitimate War". Suppose we did it for this Legitimate War, WWI or WWII, War requires months and years of Planning... if we did this Publicly it would tip our hand to our enemies... meaning we would lose leverage on negotiations. You either Believe your Government is Righteous enough not to start Illegal Wars or your Government is Corrupt. And if your Government is Corrupt then in your scenario the Referendum votes would be Rigged anyway by the same corruption.
@osdias Also keep in mind why we are not Direct Democracy, our Union consist of Small States like Rhode Island and Big States like California. To not Drown out the voices of Rhode Island we have 2 branches of the Legislature, one that is proportional (The House) and one that is equal (The Senate). Remember that those are the terms of our Constution. Thus the reason why we are a Constitutional Republic, it is the Law of our Land... it is what our Country stands for, what we die for.
@osdias So for example in your Direct Democracy scenario, the Population Centers such as California, New York and Texas... those 3 states would end up "ruling" over the entire Union. They would end up sending most of the Federal Money and Support Projects in those States and the Rest of Us would be serving them. So that is also why we have a Constitutional Republic and not a Direct Democracy. In today's current system, we have both Proportional Representation and Equal Representation.
Unfortunately, these people don't understand even the basics of the Constitution, the First Amendment or what a representative government is. Frightening that some are "teachers", isn't it. Although, some like Justin Wedes, the main instigator aren't teachers although he claims to be. Why, Justin?
What does this show? Rude, obnoxious people carpetbagging a meeting, not trying to have a discussion, putting on a show for media, using a child. Despicable
@nickedoso So true its a damn shame. Before you're allowed to Graduate High School, you should be able to answer the question, "How does our Government safe guard against Majority and Mob Rule?", "What kind of Democracy is the United States and Why was it designed this way?". Maybe then Americans would value our Country and Government more given that we are the 3rd most Populous country in the world behind India and China, and we do not have a homogenous Culture.
@nickedoso wtf are you talkin about??? You sound fukkin dumb.... just shut up. These are ppl using free speech AFTER their voices were ignored by the board they finally made listen. Go watch some fox news and suck my libertarian dick asshole. Pfft..... I swear its ppl like you.
@surpss I don't suppose you see the irony in telling me just to shut up as you claim to support OWS using "free speech".
They didn't make the board listen. The board might have listened if they didn't act like asses. But since the purpose was the media show, this is what the union characters wanted.
@nickedoso Har har har tht was funny. But fuck the board! Their power comes from their title. If the people want a change....so it will be. And good thing there was a media show. Let the whole world see.
@surpss See that's the thing. You are stuck in hive mind mentality. What the ordinary public sees in looking at this is rude, obnoxious people trying to be bullies, and using a little child for propaganda.
@nickedoso "stuck" in democracy is preferable to the alternative. If you choose to accept a non-elected appointed board to take the place of a formerly elected school board,, what does that make you?
@joekkl I've lived in 3 states. NH has no sales tax, but very high Property Tax... meaning the Taxes go to the local Jurisdiction (City / County / Town) which is closer to the community and the use of those funds can be watched by the community more closely with less outside influence. In MA the sales Tax money goes to the State and the State redistributes that to its Cities, lots of corruption, as if I know the needs of a City that is 300 miles from my home town. PA has County income tax.
@joekkl The Federal Gov is necessary for Security first and foremost. If Japan invaded Hawaii, and we didn't have the Federal Gov, it would be a nightmare for each "state" to volunteer soldiers or money for the cause. Gov should be there strictly to Protect the Citizens from things we can not protect ourselves from. I can't inspect an Airplane, fight Japan... whether "security" extends to protection from Bank Investments is left to a Liberal or Conservative intepretation of our Constitution.
@joekkl The key here is "..things we can't do for ourselves..." which is a wide range of extremes. Some people don't want help from anybody and think they can do everything themselves, while other people need their hands held in life. Some blame themselves for every failure, some blame others for their every failure. Some believe they can overcome anything in life, others believe the system is rigged to keep them down. Thus the wide range of ideology, interpretation of equality, fairness...
@osdias Another War example and your Referendum idea. On Monday we have a Referendum given all the information we know at that Point in time. We Pass it. Monday night, new Critical Information is brought to light, do we have another Referendum Vote Tuesday? And if new information on Tuesday night...and so on and so forth. The situation and information, especially secret information is constantly in flux, another reason why we have Representatives.
@osdias My "Population Center" explanation also has another aspect. You may rebute it by saying NY, CA, TX still is way less than all the other states combined, so how would they rule over us, if all the other states "join up". Suppose NY, CA, TX has 10 people each, and 10 other states has 4 people each. You would figure the 30 can not over take the 40, but its harder for 10 states with different cultures and backgrounds to agree, fracturing their votes giving power to the bigger states....
@osdias ...bigger states. For example Texans can rally Texans, Californians... But how would a Rhode Islander join up with a Floridian and 10 other states to defeat bigger states. So the votes of smaller states are "fractured" even if combined they are more than the bigger states. Without the Electoral College, and or the 2 Branches of Legislatures.. it is very real that we would be Ruled by the Population Centers. Direct Democracy would also cause us to be ruled by the Bigger States.
@osdias A real life analogy to this is Sports Franchises in Large Markets like New York and Boston, Los Angeles. They win all the Championships because they can garner all the money. Thus they really minimize the influence of fans in other cities. To combat this, Big Teams are artificially handicapped by Revenue Sharing to minimize their powers. Just an example. But now you can see why we have the Structure that we do within the Legislature and also the way we elect a President.
@osdias A real observable Consequence of the Power of Bigger States being minimized is that Legislation passes more easily in The House (proportional representation) than it does in The Senate (equal representation). Needless to say, our Founding Fathers were really really really smart, vision..prescient foresight for that matter. Our system is terrible, except that its still the best mankind has come up with in history.
WOW! This should be the mood of ALL the citizens of AMERICA. Unfortunately they won't listen and rally. :-( Too busy watching their TV and being controlled by propaganda.
Thank you for exercising your rights and speaking out against the wrong. God bless you all.
I like that the Occupy movement is getting more involved in local politics like this. Granted, I don't know anything about New York City schools, but I was kind of ambivalent watching this. They didn't really let the school panel respond, which is rude and counterproductive to dialogue. It's like Bill O'Rielly shouting down guests and then calling people weak for not coming on his show. Then again, maybe the 99% needs that.
@TommyD2343 I would be impossible to have a dialogue with Occupy, I imagine that the 50+ Occupy members agree that the School Panel should be more Open, however if the 50+ Occupy members where to discuss individual school board issues, they would have 50+ opinions and no representative. The Irony here is that they would ahve to elect a Representative to Lobby for their diverse views, which they reject because they believe in Direct Person to Person Democracy and not a Representative Democra....
@TommyD2343 ...and not a Representative Democracy. What Occupy refuses to acknowledge here is that School Board meetings are regular and open and always in a Town Hall setting where citizens ask direct questions that are answered. That they never attended in the past, does not mean it never existed. So what was their Goal to make a scene? Why don't they just commit to attending School Board meeting individually for as long as they live? That would be real involvement and discussion....
@TommyD2343 ...instead of what they are doing in this video. So many people are starting to question their motives... whether this is just a game to them... Protesting to Protest or are they ever going to do something actionable. The fact that they are there shows that there is a Forum provided to the people, whether Occupy can dedicate themselves to solutions and constant involvement is what most people now start to question. Or whether the only Agenda they have is to Make a Scene.
@jfan2000jfan it's a mix of everything.. nothing's perfect. there's all kinds of views and all kinds of approaches. i don't think people are gonna do this ALL the time. just waking up the board, is all. just the fact alone that people are starting to come together and speak out is such a big step.. then maybe we'll start moving into more organized, effective, and mutually respectful communication with the parties involved in making change.
@latidoeterno Yeah, you're right in that Regard. Whether its the school principal or Senator, people in Public Office forget that they are there to serve the people. The arrogance of the public officials. But there is also "arrogance" on the part of this group, that they represent the "majority" interest of the people also. The truth is that our Public Officials have to balance 1000's of contradicting and conflicting views in their policies. As they say, Democracy is sloppy....
@latidoeterno ... Democracy is sloppy, but our Constitutional Republic system seems to be the best humankind has come up with thus far. We assume Corruption, but is it just the mixed soup of Compromise from all these competing interest? As I get older and even Trivial decisions at work, Collaboration with competing interest is not easy, also in most cases the Majority wants both things even if they contradict each other. Even if you are working with a group of only 20 people on projects...
Their purpose is to disrupt and destabilize. They have done this not only to the DoE but to museums and to restaurants. Thugs for unions, in this case teachers. In their organizers own words, Lisa Fithian: we're here to destabilize; Paula Grin "Grim womyn": "we've started a class war and we better finish it" In some places, they are already calling for general strikes. They want to turn us into another Spain or Greece, not suprising since many instigated there as well.
New York and California both deserve everything that is coming to them as they collapse from the weight of their own liberal socialist policies, I just hope that the rest of the country isn't expected to bailout these cities and states that can't seem to understand that they can't afford any more free rides, the gravy train has left the station YOUR BROKE! No bailouts stop whinning and deal with it.
skin5011 1 month ago
How sad to think these *&^% people teacher our children this garbage. We should deport them to Venezuela, where they would be happier with Hugo Chavez
bette1122 1 month ago
an unelected board installed by Bloomberg, fascism much?
Yankhadenough 2 months ago
The people at the table have such stank-faces on. Don't act surprised.
cheezbawl2003 2 months ago
I love this!!! This is what has to be done to these fucker what you want to be done in school !!!!
realtriplev 2 months ago 2
Wow Michael Bloomberg purports to get the City Council to override voter mandated term limits so he can steal a third term, and initiates an UN-elected school board "panel?" These folks deserve to be embarrassed!
Nice Work OWS parents and teachers! You have raised the bar above "business as usual." School administrators should not be political appointees! Even a non-parent can see that!
MzProgressive 3 months ago 7
OH D, IT WAS IN MY SCHOOL.....
AliceGrimoire 3 months ago
This is what we have to do, You guys are brilliant!
FruitTrees4Life 3 months ago 16
Lobbyist Money - Who takes it, Who gives it?
Google "OpenSecrets Lobbying Top All Time Donors 1989-2012"
jfan2000jfan 3 months ago
GO OBAMA!!!
MessiahObama 3 months ago
Washington DC is a corporation... We are being run by a corpporation, called government, that makes Enron & Bernie Madoff look like a misdeamer. So what happens after the occupy..
Peaceofmindfound 3 months ago
That's not what democracy looks like. THIS IS ANARCHY! and it is BEAUTIFUL!
Jeremy12three 3 months ago
Need something done? Call on the 99%.
Lukasd2009 3 months ago 5
@Lukasd2009 OWS isn't the 99%, it isn't even 1% of the general population. It is Vigilantes/Thugs R US. And what happens if they decide they don't like you? Will they disrupt your meeting, impoverish your business, harass the restaurant you work at, shut down the museum you child is going to? All of which they have done, because what they have to say is more important than anything or anyone else. "But it's about the bailouts and Wall Street". Sure.
nickedoso 3 months ago
@nickedoso These people of OWS are the most educated, reasonable people in this country right now. Vigilantes? Thugs? This is a peaceful movement. There is a very strict policy of peaceful action. The incidents of violence have almost exclusively been perpetrated by the police where violence has occurred. Looking for vigilantes and thugs? Look there.
samsmacdaddy 3 months ago 2
@nickedoso How do you think the politicians in office right now are treating us? They don't care whats good for the people, they care about whats good for them and their big, corrupt, corporation backers. We are under the rule of a bought D.C.
TheIsbeled 3 months ago
I have been inspired by this. I think that this is an interesting way to use the occupy movement to effect change. I think I might propose that we use our movement in my city the same way.
Lukasd2009 3 months ago
How can you vote out someone you didn't elect? These people were not elected from local communities, they were appointed by a lackey whose main focus is on paving the way for demise of democracy and the rise of the oligarchy. (Now that business moguls can easliy hide behind the mask of corporate America they are running the country and the global economy ((deliberately usurping democracies, re-regulating social and industrial policies)) in the interest of the 1 % instead of the 99 %).
DoubtNoMore 3 months ago
@DoubtNoMore Did Bloomberg a man worth $20 Billion before he was Mayor give up his time because he decided he could use the same skillset to help the people of NYC or to become more Powerful? Certainly he could use these last 8 years to make another $20 Billion, but choose to use that time to lead NYC. His net worth has not increased since, so he is not using his influence for his own gain. Surely the Mayor-ship is a losing business proposition for him, so it has to be another reason, no?
jfan2000jfan 3 months ago
Didn't they just shout themselves into being ignored?
screwypuppy 3 months ago
Respect has to go both ways. The crowd wasn't giving any. Vote them out if you don't like the panel.
But when it's your turn sitting up there on the board don't be pissed when the next crowd comes along and doesn't give you any respect either.
CmonMan101 3 months ago
Moonbats out for what again??? MONEY (support)
Fing bums.
crwlarry3356 3 months ago
What a bunch if idiotic moonbats!! All these freaks want is mob rule. Hope the panel went and voted as they damn well pleased. Next time anybody interrupting should be physically ejected from the meeting. These idiots want to circumvent any due process and create chaos. That is no way to hold a meeting. This mob has effectively boxed out all decent parents from any opportunity to have their voice heard. Terrorists. We need the rule of law, not this filthy mob.
jwhat01 3 months ago
@jwhat01 due process? they're interrupting a NON-elected board that replaced the ELECTED board for schools. The rule of law would be a democratically elected group.
grinick 3 months ago 2
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NO. Disrupting a public meeting, denying other parents the opportunity to be heard or to hear is NOT due process. It is mob rule. These people are idiots and selfish and childish. They are a horrible example for our kids. Every one of them needs to be arrested for disrupting a public meeting. Then they can use their MIC CHECK!! on Bubba in the jailhouse. I am sick of these greedy bastards trying to take and take and take. Nothing but moochers, sucking off of decent society.
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@jwhat01 Wow you really have no clue.
Zavrix 3 months ago
If they really wanted power to be returned to the people then why did the parents constantly back the Teachers when conservatives wanted to take the power away from the "Public" education system and return it to the peaple via charter schools and school vouchers? The system in place now is exactly the system you get when big government takes over. When you have a National Education system you don't really get any real input. You don't get a vote.
johnknoefler 3 months ago
This was beautiful. Empowerment of the people these representatives are supposed to represent. It's a shame the chairmen childishly left instead of staying and doing their job.
1Pantikian 3 months ago
Inspiring!
BHarrisonArts 3 months ago
That's awesome, I love how the guy's just dumbstruck and helpless at 1:10
starwarsgeek8 3 months ago
guys
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expatted 3 months ago
what the media, politicians, banks and corporations dont understand is that they are no longer in charge anymore. The people are not looking for a new president, a new congress, a new law, or new bank restrictions. The people are looking to over throw the whole system to give the power back to the people. No longer will we be fed crumbs.
boston312 3 months ago 4
Now a loyalist Teabagger would have to say that those protestors should be shot for having the temerity to challenge a duly authorized official meeting like that.
Looks like a lot of Teabaggers posting here LOL
ToryTeabagger 3 months ago 3
I trust the parents and the NYC public. I think they do not have many opportunities to be in the discussion and honestly this is probably only the beginning. We need to focus on education and not spend our money on so many wars. Officials are used to the status quo and the only reason why NYC is not filled with green plants on the tops and instead trying to build nuclear near poor peoples houses is because the people's voice is not being heard. Corporations destroyed to much already
jespter 3 months ago
This is what fascism looks like.
OverlargeWombat 3 months ago
@OverlargeWombat People standing up to other people that are trying to control there lives?
Jioxer 3 months ago
Amazing.
ddpsp 3 months ago
Great... femenism came to the rescue. Thank you , for being complete assholes and not letting the other side make a statement.
FlowTraceur 3 months ago
@FlowTraceur Sorry, too many statements already.
gringochucha 3 months ago
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What did they accomplish? They shut down a meeting by having a collective hissy fit. There was no conversation - just twinkle fingers or whatever they call them. They just made asses of themselves. So silly and childish.
katwil89 3 months ago
@katwil89 Haha no they completely did NOT make asses out of themselves. Look at the big picture, don't be narrow minded. This is what needs to happen more, instead of listening to corruption. Corporations arent looking out for kids and their education, they're looking out for profit and how to brainwash another person like you, not to speak up. When these occupied cities let every single person there speak..Were letting them know they are not running the show any more..POWER TO THE PEOPLE!!!
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We need more pro newsmag pieces- thanks for funding this. I was moved to tears by this informative,thoughtful and direct video and this is simple to produce. The direct Action provided the script anticipating PEP's reactionary retreat perfectly. Kudos to the DI planners and occupiers. You were dignified and plain spoken in your message. Your emotion in the Peoples Mike reading was palpable. - a Providence Occupier
SolidarityMediaCrew 3 months ago
We need more pro newsmag pieces- thanks for funding this. I was moved to tears by this informative,thoughtful and direct video and this is simple to produce. The direct Action provided the script anticipating PEP's reactionary retreat perfectly. Kudos to the DI planners and occupiers. You were dignified and plain spoken in your message. Your emotion in the Peoples Mike reading was palpable.
SolidarityMediaCrew 3 months ago
I really liked the suits PEP board members were wearing.
beextv 3 months ago
people mic : 1
regular mic : 0
MrNochoiceleft 3 months ago 36
Why are any of you replying to NickeDoso go to his channel and see what his subscriptions are. He is some coward that won't post from his real account.
Skrimpish 3 months ago
Beautiful
Maximustard 3 months ago
Power to the people! More comments means more feathers being ruffled. Beautiful. :)
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noahelp1 3 months ago
Good for them.
Crazydog7 3 months ago
F*** those suits.
nfinley 3 months ago
48 in a class?! Holy shit!
summzzxoxo 3 months ago
Beautiful. We're getting there.
nansir 3 months ago
Obama raised $750 million for his presidential Campaign and McCain raised $230 million. A Corporation is limited to $5000 per Candidate per Campaign, and the Records show that 3,000,000 people donated the $750,000,000 which is average $250 per person out of a population of 310,000,000 people. 403,000 of the 3,000,000 donated more than $200. Google "NY Times Study Obama Small Donors".
jfan2000jfan 3 months ago
@jfan2000jfan By the way, I'm trying to point out that People are in the end more Powerful than Corporations, even a $10 donation is powerful considering 3,000,000 donated averaging only $250 and thats $750,000,000 and surprisingly only $1.8 million of Obama's funds were from a PAC (Political Action Committee), this is also typical of other Candidates. Google "open secrets 2008 election". There is a lot of Counter-intuitive stats there that reflect the actual power is in the people.
jfan2000jfan 3 months ago
16 people who like to pay too much student loans till they end up at death bed.
AnimetimeTV 3 months ago
after watching this i can just say two things to you people:
1. Never stop that please
2. WOW! u guys are truely awesome and REAL!
greetz from berlin
Khaos07 3 months ago
I cannot even describe how true all of this is.
ayayay101 3 months ago 3
idk man you sound naive to me. If these big businesses and banks were run by people who actually flood the american economy with money so it could circulate I would be arguing back about how bailouts are wonderful. It's not about bailouts or no bailouts to be frank. We gave them all this money and they invested in non domestic ventures or war. Because the same banks have vested intrest in the miliary industrial complex. Now citizens are stuck with THEIR debts.
surpss 3 months ago
Fabulous
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cyberjltoo 3 months ago
@latidoeterno Those parties have to take the first step and allow open forums capable of dynamically reaching consensus decisions. THIS is what Democracy looks like.
Ayelis 3 months ago
4:20 - "...less state test and more Arts and Music classes..." I work with a group of Indians and they can't believe how behind the United States is in Math and Science. And how easy our State test are. Many say the 8th grade classes are what they learned in 5th grade. I also hear the same thing from Chinese and other Asians. And we spend 3 times as much per child than any of those countries, where is all the money going?
jfan2000jfan 3 months ago
@jfan2000jfan administration/ rich schools because of standardized testing/ football fields.
tehboyscout 3 months ago
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People from the outside should recognize the American Transitional Council headed by #OWS as the legitimate government of the USA. Dictator Mubarack Obomber should now join his fellow dictators to exile in Saudi Arabia!
petersz98 3 months ago 3
check out: John Taylor Gatto - Weapons of Mass Instruction
educating people is not the best interests of any establishment.
Whisper6911 3 months ago
"The capable children of potentially dissident families were kept down by being excluded from broad access to the best schools." de Mesquita et al. The Dictator's Handbook (p. 109). If you are poor and you protest against DOE, beware of retribution. Example: the recent destruction of PS 184 by DOE as revenge of parents' lawsuit against Chancellor Walcott. DOE is an authoritarian regime; its sole purpose is to generate salaries for its bureaucrats. Look at the smirk on Walcott's face.
quantmann 3 months ago
wow, how did Bloomberg take control of schools and replace School Board with an unelected board, how does this happen in American cities?
Yankhadenough 3 months ago
@Yankhadenough Some here think every job in Government should be elected, that the Mayor can't hire his own people to run the city. Apparently they want to elect the Mayor then choose his team for him also.
jfan2000jfan 3 months ago
@jfan2000jfan but education is something students and parents should have a say in, more so than just electing a mayor and hoping he does the right thing. when we elect an official there are too many issues to focus on and nobody can look at the specifics of a representatives policy until after they are elected. students/parents need to be able to act quickly to make appropriate changes in a school and it is impossible to do that when an appointed board has already been given an agenda.
tehboyscout 3 months ago
@tehboyscout How much of it is corruption and how much of it is just compromise. At any work place when you work with several deptments, there is always some politics even in an apolitical sector business, and in any project its about "pleasing" all parties, like 5 way compromises, Business deals, negotiations and leverage. We don't know all the details nor do we have time to track all details thats why we elect people we trust, in hopes they hire people they trust and so on...never perfect.
jfan2000jfan 3 months ago
@jfan2000jfan School Board is not 'his own people' to run the schools. Traditionally the School Board is an elected body by the citizens to determine who they want to run their schools for their children , until Bloomberg got hold of it. It is the epitome of arrogance that Bloomberg did this against the will of the people
Yankhadenough 3 months ago 3
Stats on Income not Wealth, IRS 2009 Income Tax Returns.
o Top 1% - Filers=1,380,000 Income begin= $343,927, ShareIncome=16.9%, ShareOfTax=36.7%
o Top 10% - Filers=13,789,000 Income begin= $112,124 ShareIncome=43.2%, ShareOfTax=70.5%
o Top 50% - Filers=68,991,000 Income begin=$32,396 ShareIncome=86.5%, ShareOfTax=97.7%
o Bottom 50% - Filers 68,991,000 ShareOfIncome=13.5%, ShareOfTax=2.3%
The way to read this is the Top 1% makes 16.9% of all the available AGI and Pay 36.7% of all income Taxes.
jfan2000jfan 3 months ago
@jfan2000jfan AGI is a much much much bigger number than all income tax.
tehboyscout 3 months ago
@tehboyscout Total AGI is a bigger number, AGI is Adjusted Gross Income which includes Captial gains. But the top 10% still makes 43.2% of all available Income but did pay 70.5% of all income Taxes collected. Total AGI 2009 was about 7.7 Trillion and total Income Tax collected was about 2.4 Trillion which is roughly 30%.
jfan2000jfan 3 months ago
OUTSTANDING. One person and 1 microphone can NOT overpower 200 voices. Hey Dennis Walcott you were put there by Bloomberg NOT by the people of New York. You don't represent us. You can NOT stand real democracy. You were invited to the GA and you refuse to go. Get used to this type of events because we are coming. WE THE PEOPLE ARE NOT SILENCE NO MORE.
fmartinez21 3 months ago
@fmartinez21
Oh please! You didn't even try to have conversation. This was all about creating a scene, not trying to have anyone listen to what you said. They all left because you wouldn't listen to them! What was left was just your crowd. That wasn't democracy, that was thuggery. "Get used to this type of events(sic) because we are coming" -threats of more thuggery. "We are right" so we can be rude, obnoxious, use a child. You have no idea how normal people look at this.
nickedoso 3 months ago
@nickedoso
This was all about creating a scene -I believe It's about making a point.
They all left because you wouldn't listen to them, - This happened because they have not been listening to the people.
That wasn't democracy, that was thuggery - See the Police attacks for thuggery !!!!!
Use a child ? The child has a vested interest in the education system.
Maximustard 3 months ago
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I AGREE! SEE YOU THERE!
Sistarful 3 months ago
You want change New York? GET RID OF BLOOMBERG! BLOOMBERG IS A FASCIST AND AN ENEMY OF LIBERTY AND OF THE CONSTITUTION! RECALL HIM NOW!!
45AlanT 3 months ago
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This is truly awesome.
Lightrider4444 3 months ago
Wow, look at that, they accomplished nothing other than shutting down a meeting . Their hollering was empty rhetoric as usual and did not solve one issue but caused one. Absolutely useless as is their general assemblies. They do not want to hear what someone has to say unless it matches their views , otherwise you are shut out. Direct democracy is nothing more than mob rule . OCCUPY a clue.
ckovarovic 3 months ago
@ckovarovic oh your such an idiot
surpss 3 months ago
@surpss
Aww, did I hurt your feelings with the truth? It's happened to me personally so you cannot call it false and as for that video being of some significance ... tell me what they were asking for other than empty platitude.
ckovarovic 3 months ago
@ckovarovic (sigh) its time for me to go in you. Let see.... First of all your previous comment had not one iota of truth. How can you say they didnt accomplish anything when before their please went unnoticed by the board. They couldn't even go on with the fallacy when the people voiced their opinion. As for you hurting my feelings suck my libertarian dick. Lol for you to leave a comment lik that in the first place its easy to see who was offended.
surpss 3 months ago
@surpss
Yes they accomplished a lot, the board left and ignored them completely..... I bet the world will change. Yes, I can see how you are right , I'm sure the whole education system will heed their every demand.... oh wait, the board left and didn't hear their demands, did they make any demands ? I didn't hear any, other than "Watch us interrupt your proceedings like a petulant child." but I'm sure the board marched right back in and listened to them individually.
ckovarovic 3 months ago
@ckovarovic Don't be an idiot.... you really think the video was the end of this issue? how long do you think a few will be able to persist injustice when the majority are so outwardly against it? You're just mad at the video. THE TRUTH IS the board will have to listen to those people. And if not all, most of the demands initially voiced in this video will be met.
surpss 3 months ago
@surpss
Majority? You mean the majority in that meeting? because the occupy movements are not the majority, they are near 10% and that's generous. As for their demands , they didnt make demands at all, they accused the board of being non democratic and for making decisions and only asking for input as a matter of circumstance, then continued to ridicule them. They then told them that real discussion was an occupy general assembly which is bullshit in itself.
ckovarovic 3 months ago
@ckovarovic I don't know if you pulled 10% out of your ass or what.... cuz i kno you dont mean the occupy movements are 10% of the the population when the unemployment rate is even higher than tht. Secondly, of cvourse they are the majority in that meeting! The board makes decisions that effect the kids who go to school and the teachers who show up! Now tell me who was in their finally making their voices heard after being ignored for so long.
surpss 3 months ago
@surpss
Yes the occupy movement is 10% being generous . Using the unemployment numbers as the occupy numbers is disingenuous as I know plenty that are unemployed and not a part of that mob. Most of the occupied cities are a hundred to 1000 people only. The OWS movement does not have as much support as they are making claim to. As for that meeting , the people in there solved nothing, they just proved that a true democracy is mob rule, thus our republic.
ckovarovic 3 months ago
@ckovarovic Your right our republic is mob rule this why 400 people own more wealth than 150 million ppl combined in this country. C'mon man get the fuck outta here you just make excuses supporting the few who have and misappropriate their power.
surpss 3 months ago
@surpss
LOL Now we are bringing in corporate bailouts, great, I'll agree there. The government never should have bailed out any business, nor give billions to the failing green companies it has. Here's where the point matches.... you are fighting the wrong enemy. The enemy is the congress and the president and his administration. Disrupting capitalism to protest the government is ass backwards. Oh, and you are NO libertarian, direct democracy is the absence of liberty.
ckovarovic 3 months ago
@ckovarovic Wrong, the government is a wholly owned subsidiary of big business. Multi-billion dollar media corporations control the narrative which hide the reality that the politicians are taking multi-million dollar bribes. They use their power to empower their big business friends, who in turn fund their re-election campaigns and use propaganda to support them. The problem in america lies in BOTH big business and our government, because they are one in the same.
TheTechReactor 3 months ago
@TheTechReactor
Take out the government bailouts and the businesses that were destined to fail wouldn't be able to continue on. As for who is putting money into government, you have more money going to government from unions than corporations. All you need to do is look up the campaign donations records to see that.
ckovarovic 3 months ago
@ckovarovic Key words "TAke out the bailouts" ...... yes we can ignore more than 700 billion dollars. The amount of money these banks and business have has sky rocketed since tht "mistake" by obama. If you even wanna call it tht. You can call it him paying is corporate business interests for putting him in office.
surpss 3 months ago
@surpss
Take out the bailouts meant do not pay them and allow businesses to fail that are not floating on their own. You misinterpret what I was saying. No more bailouts ...ever. Sink or swim.
ckovarovic 3 months ago
@ckovarovic WTF do you think the bailouts were?? They werent genuine attempt to save the U.S. economy!! The only thing that happened as a result of the bailouts was concentrating MORE wealth in the hands of the top 1 and 2%. DUH!!!
surpss 3 months ago
@surpss Thank you and keep spreading the message. Lets let these people know what this is about.
Jioxer 3 months ago
@surpss
So let them fail and stop putting the tax payer on the hook . Are you not reading what I'm typing?
ckovarovic 3 months ago
@ckovarovic The trouble is that the majority of the taxpayers are not benefitting from the money they are paying to build their country - instead taxes are being used to make the 1% richer and more powerful. Taxes must be fairly distributed and fairly collected. Taxes should be used for social good and to build and maintain the infrastructures that keeps our country safe, modern and moving forward. Right now 99% of us pay our fair share while the 1% pay a pittance and reap the most benefits.
DoubtNoMore 3 months ago
@DoubtNoMore
You couldn't be further from the truth. The top 5 % foots most of the tax bill, how you figure they pay less than everyone else just makes me not want to respond to you at all. Please go get your tax facts straight then come back and repost please. As for government spending our taxes ,they have 18 enumerated powers on which they are entitled to spend , anything beyond that is unconstitutional and should be stopped .
ckovarovic 3 months ago
@ckovarovic Where do you get your facts? If you make over 100k a year you don't have to pay for social security. The rest of us do, and we probably won't even get to see any of it at this point. So how do you figure the top 5% pay less?
TheIsbeled 3 months ago
@ckovarovic Ok lemme ask you a question those big banks like AIG, Goldman sachs, J.P. Morgan....all the ones that got bailouts.....what do you think would have been the result if these financial instutions had failed? You ever knocked down dominoes with each other?
surpss 3 months ago
@surpss
They would have filed for bankruptcy under a restructure agreement as any other business does. You do not use the tax payer to prop up failed businesses nor do you regulate the banks with federal entities like Fanny and Freddie. Any time the government gets involved in private industry, it fails. Amtrak being a good case in point.
ckovarovic 3 months ago
@surpss the 2008 bailouts where under the bush administration. js.
tehboyscout 3 months ago
@tehboyscout coulda fooled me obama is bush plus some smooth talkin and darker skin. They both represent oppression.... the only thing is obama deserves an oscar or academy award.
surpss 3 months ago
@TheTechReactor Thank you.... you kno what the fuck ur talkin about
surpss 3 months ago
Thirdly i heard you the frst time "petulant child blah blah blah bullshyt and more bullshyt"
surpss 3 months ago
@surpss
I do like the end "Show me what democracy looks like, Being a petulant child is what democracy looks like."
ckovarovic 3 months ago
@ckovarovic There was one demand, the 8 yr old girl wanted "...less state test and more Arts and Music classes..." and the Occupiers clapped in agreement. Looks to me like their only goal was to indulge in their self platitudes of one another, more so than actually providing any actionable solutions.
jfan2000jfan 3 months ago
@jfan2000jfan Exactly! and to use the little child to push your agenda just roils the heck out of me!
nickedoso 3 months ago
@jfan2000jfan
While I do not begrudge the right to protest, I do begrudge the disruption of others right to assemble by these kinds of actions.
ckovarovic 3 months ago
@jfan2000jfan well standardized state testing is a tool that is used to keep certain schools poor and others rich. Its a fact. look at any county and you will see it. how is a poor school going to do well on the state tests and get more funding if they don't have enough money to compete for good teachers and books?
tehboyscout 3 months ago
To the nay-sayers, the quickest way to get over your cynicism, doubt, and fear is to go to an Occupy General Assembly. Most beautiful thing ever. Love and Solidarity from Oakland!
MrAnconsheep 3 months ago
@MrAnconsheep "Go forth and revolt"--pretty clear statement of purpose there. And that is what the purpose is. If people don't get it, they haven't been watching.
nickedoso 3 months ago
These PEP meetings are just rubber-stamping sessions put on by corporate puppets and they need to be shut down and delegitimized.
JoelBitarProductions 3 months ago
This is one of the most beautiful things I've ever seen in my life.
SkyFoxCode 3 months ago 33
@SkyFoxCode
You've had a sorry life apparently
nickedoso 3 months ago
@nickedoso Lololol Look at all the fucks i give at your stupid internet opinion. UMAD TROLLFAG?
SkyFoxCode 3 months ago
@SkyFoxCode As I said, sorry life you have their. Good luck with that.
nickedoso 3 months ago
@nickedoso Still don't give a fuck. Have fun trolling since that's apparently all that you do with that account of yours. U still mad?
SkyFoxCode 3 months ago
Hahaha, right on people. Right on. Will spread.
I hope these actions spread far and wide.
The panel member at the very beginning licking his lips creeped me out. They all looked like creepy pricks, except the black guy who just look confused.
Panaceamedia 3 months ago
Democracy is good, but let's be careful not to become a mob, blowing with the wind of public opinion
riethc 3 months ago
Anyone with concerns for the Occupy movement, or any of their actions can visit their own local movements, and discuss their ideas/concerns (in an intelligent manor) with other participants. But keep in mind that if you are not trying to listen to what people have to say, the odds are that people will not listen to what you have to say either.
NoCigar1991 3 months ago
So much smugness from the PEP.
JPSNewsTV 3 months ago 3
It is not good option conversation like this.
blyaxamuxin 3 months ago
The United States is a Democracy but nearly every aspect of our local, state, federal Government is run as a Constitutional Republic. That is, the people vote for a Representative to act on their behalf. Direct Democracy would be chaos and inefficient, one can imagine this scenario by imagining a Jury of 315,000,000 people deciding every minute detail of every issue... it would lead to a stand still immediately if you run Government as a Direct Democracy.
jfan2000jfan 3 months ago
@jfan2000jfan Direct democracy doesn't have to be implemented for "every minute detail". Even if it was implemented for the most controversial of the laws/decisions that affect each one of us in a major way, such as should we go to war? Or should we bail out banks/corporations? (Switzerland for example, does this through referendums.) It would go a long way to make people feel like their voice actually matters and they're not merely pawns in a game where broken campaign promises rule the day.
osdias 3 months ago
@osdias Lets assume we have a "Legitimate War". Suppose we did it for this Legitimate War, WWI or WWII, War requires months and years of Planning... if we did this Publicly it would tip our hand to our enemies... meaning we would lose leverage on negotiations. You either Believe your Government is Righteous enough not to start Illegal Wars or your Government is Corrupt. And if your Government is Corrupt then in your scenario the Referendum votes would be Rigged anyway by the same corruption.
jfan2000jfan 3 months ago
@osdias Also keep in mind why we are not Direct Democracy, our Union consist of Small States like Rhode Island and Big States like California. To not Drown out the voices of Rhode Island we have 2 branches of the Legislature, one that is proportional (The House) and one that is equal (The Senate). Remember that those are the terms of our Constution. Thus the reason why we are a Constitutional Republic, it is the Law of our Land... it is what our Country stands for, what we die for.
jfan2000jfan 3 months ago
@osdias So for example in your Direct Democracy scenario, the Population Centers such as California, New York and Texas... those 3 states would end up "ruling" over the entire Union. They would end up sending most of the Federal Money and Support Projects in those States and the Rest of Us would be serving them. So that is also why we have a Constitutional Republic and not a Direct Democracy. In today's current system, we have both Proportional Representation and Equal Representation.
jfan2000jfan 3 months ago
@jfan2000jfan
Unfortunately, these people don't understand even the basics of the Constitution, the First Amendment or what a representative government is. Frightening that some are "teachers", isn't it. Although, some like Justin Wedes, the main instigator aren't teachers although he claims to be. Why, Justin?
What does this show? Rude, obnoxious people carpetbagging a meeting, not trying to have a discussion, putting on a show for media, using a child. Despicable
nickedoso 3 months ago
@nickedoso So true its a damn shame. Before you're allowed to Graduate High School, you should be able to answer the question, "How does our Government safe guard against Majority and Mob Rule?", "What kind of Democracy is the United States and Why was it designed this way?". Maybe then Americans would value our Country and Government more given that we are the 3rd most Populous country in the world behind India and China, and we do not have a homogenous Culture.
jfan2000jfan 3 months ago
@nickedoso wtf are you talkin about??? You sound fukkin dumb.... just shut up. These are ppl using free speech AFTER their voices were ignored by the board they finally made listen. Go watch some fox news and suck my libertarian dick asshole. Pfft..... I swear its ppl like you.
surpss 3 months ago
@surpss I don't suppose you see the irony in telling me just to shut up as you claim to support OWS using "free speech".
They didn't make the board listen. The board might have listened if they didn't act like asses. But since the purpose was the media show, this is what the union characters wanted.
nickedoso 3 months ago
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@nickedoso I believe your argument has been pwned.
SoapAndSpikes 3 months ago
@nickedoso Har har har tht was funny. But fuck the board! Their power comes from their title. If the people want a change....so it will be. And good thing there was a media show. Let the whole world see.
surpss 3 months ago
@surpss See that's the thing. You are stuck in hive mind mentality. What the ordinary public sees in looking at this is rude, obnoxious people trying to be bullies, and using a little child for propaganda.
nickedoso 3 months ago
@nickedoso "stuck" in democracy is preferable to the alternative. If you choose to accept a non-elected appointed board to take the place of a formerly elected school board,, what does that make you?
Yankhadenough 3 months ago
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@nickedoso No thts what you see and you are not the majority.
surpss 3 months ago
@jfan2000jfan How about mini-communities, no more States, no more huge government bureaucracy.
joekkl 3 months ago
@joekkl I've lived in 3 states. NH has no sales tax, but very high Property Tax... meaning the Taxes go to the local Jurisdiction (City / County / Town) which is closer to the community and the use of those funds can be watched by the community more closely with less outside influence. In MA the sales Tax money goes to the State and the State redistributes that to its Cities, lots of corruption, as if I know the needs of a City that is 300 miles from my home town. PA has County income tax.
jfan2000jfan 3 months ago
@joekkl The Federal Gov is necessary for Security first and foremost. If Japan invaded Hawaii, and we didn't have the Federal Gov, it would be a nightmare for each "state" to volunteer soldiers or money for the cause. Gov should be there strictly to Protect the Citizens from things we can not protect ourselves from. I can't inspect an Airplane, fight Japan... whether "security" extends to protection from Bank Investments is left to a Liberal or Conservative intepretation of our Constitution.
jfan2000jfan 3 months ago
@joekkl The key here is "..things we can't do for ourselves..." which is a wide range of extremes. Some people don't want help from anybody and think they can do everything themselves, while other people need their hands held in life. Some blame themselves for every failure, some blame others for their every failure. Some believe they can overcome anything in life, others believe the system is rigged to keep them down. Thus the wide range of ideology, interpretation of equality, fairness...
jfan2000jfan 3 months ago
@osdias Another War example and your Referendum idea. On Monday we have a Referendum given all the information we know at that Point in time. We Pass it. Monday night, new Critical Information is brought to light, do we have another Referendum Vote Tuesday? And if new information on Tuesday night...and so on and so forth. The situation and information, especially secret information is constantly in flux, another reason why we have Representatives.
jfan2000jfan 3 months ago
@osdias My "Population Center" explanation also has another aspect. You may rebute it by saying NY, CA, TX still is way less than all the other states combined, so how would they rule over us, if all the other states "join up". Suppose NY, CA, TX has 10 people each, and 10 other states has 4 people each. You would figure the 30 can not over take the 40, but its harder for 10 states with different cultures and backgrounds to agree, fracturing their votes giving power to the bigger states....
jfan2000jfan 3 months ago
@osdias ...bigger states. For example Texans can rally Texans, Californians... But how would a Rhode Islander join up with a Floridian and 10 other states to defeat bigger states. So the votes of smaller states are "fractured" even if combined they are more than the bigger states. Without the Electoral College, and or the 2 Branches of Legislatures.. it is very real that we would be Ruled by the Population Centers. Direct Democracy would also cause us to be ruled by the Bigger States.
jfan2000jfan 3 months ago
@osdias A real life analogy to this is Sports Franchises in Large Markets like New York and Boston, Los Angeles. They win all the Championships because they can garner all the money. Thus they really minimize the influence of fans in other cities. To combat this, Big Teams are artificially handicapped by Revenue Sharing to minimize their powers. Just an example. But now you can see why we have the Structure that we do within the Legislature and also the way we elect a President.
jfan2000jfan 3 months ago
@osdias A real observable Consequence of the Power of Bigger States being minimized is that Legislation passes more easily in The House (proportional representation) than it does in The Senate (equal representation). Needless to say, our Founding Fathers were really really really smart, vision..prescient foresight for that matter. Our system is terrible, except that its still the best mankind has come up with in history.
jfan2000jfan 3 months ago
Fabulous-- you rock Occupy
expatted 3 months ago
Good lawd, if this started happening across the country!!!! WHOOT!
mcdeeds2007 3 months ago
Excellent and perfect!
Timpone47 3 months ago
WOW! This should be the mood of ALL the citizens of AMERICA. Unfortunately they won't listen and rally. :-( Too busy watching their TV and being controlled by propaganda.
Thank you for exercising your rights and speaking out against the wrong. God bless you all.
R33B1S 3 months ago
my classes had 50-60 students, very hot there! lol
andreppstos 3 months ago
badass
ratty88 3 months ago
I like that the Occupy movement is getting more involved in local politics like this. Granted, I don't know anything about New York City schools, but I was kind of ambivalent watching this. They didn't really let the school panel respond, which is rude and counterproductive to dialogue. It's like Bill O'Rielly shouting down guests and then calling people weak for not coming on his show. Then again, maybe the 99% needs that.
TommyD2343 3 months ago
@TommyD2343 I would be impossible to have a dialogue with Occupy, I imagine that the 50+ Occupy members agree that the School Panel should be more Open, however if the 50+ Occupy members where to discuss individual school board issues, they would have 50+ opinions and no representative. The Irony here is that they would ahve to elect a Representative to Lobby for their diverse views, which they reject because they believe in Direct Person to Person Democracy and not a Representative Democra....
jfan2000jfan 3 months ago
@TommyD2343 ...and not a Representative Democracy. What Occupy refuses to acknowledge here is that School Board meetings are regular and open and always in a Town Hall setting where citizens ask direct questions that are answered. That they never attended in the past, does not mean it never existed. So what was their Goal to make a scene? Why don't they just commit to attending School Board meeting individually for as long as they live? That would be real involvement and discussion....
jfan2000jfan 3 months ago
@TommyD2343 ...instead of what they are doing in this video. So many people are starting to question their motives... whether this is just a game to them... Protesting to Protest or are they ever going to do something actionable. The fact that they are there shows that there is a Forum provided to the people, whether Occupy can dedicate themselves to solutions and constant involvement is what most people now start to question. Or whether the only Agenda they have is to Make a Scene.
jfan2000jfan 3 months ago
@jfan2000jfan it's a mix of everything.. nothing's perfect. there's all kinds of views and all kinds of approaches. i don't think people are gonna do this ALL the time. just waking up the board, is all. just the fact alone that people are starting to come together and speak out is such a big step.. then maybe we'll start moving into more organized, effective, and mutually respectful communication with the parties involved in making change.
latidoeterno 3 months ago 8
@latidoeterno Yeah, you're right in that Regard. Whether its the school principal or Senator, people in Public Office forget that they are there to serve the people. The arrogance of the public officials. But there is also "arrogance" on the part of this group, that they represent the "majority" interest of the people also. The truth is that our Public Officials have to balance 1000's of contradicting and conflicting views in their policies. As they say, Democracy is sloppy....
jfan2000jfan 3 months ago
@latidoeterno ... Democracy is sloppy, but our Constitutional Republic system seems to be the best humankind has come up with thus far. We assume Corruption, but is it just the mixed soup of Compromise from all these competing interest? As I get older and even Trivial decisions at work, Collaboration with competing interest is not easy, also in most cases the Majority wants both things even if they contradict each other. Even if you are working with a group of only 20 people on projects...
jfan2000jfan 3 months ago
@jfan2000jfan
Their purpose is to disrupt and destabilize. They have done this not only to the DoE but to museums and to restaurants. Thugs for unions, in this case teachers. In their organizers own words, Lisa Fithian: we're here to destabilize; Paula Grin "Grim womyn": "we've started a class war and we better finish it" In some places, they are already calling for general strikes. They want to turn us into another Spain or Greece, not suprising since many instigated there as well.
nickedoso 3 months ago