Me sentía bien con esta noticia, yo estudio en la Universidad de Ginebra que en investigadores van bien, pero en enseñanza el balance general es: no es muy buena
I just remembered something: the Fields medal isn't that AGE-IST crap requiring a mathematician be under 40, is it? That's some other award in math, right?
Call my attention how the superpowers catch brilliant minds from other countries ...despites the differences they have. Besides, I find quite sad that such brilliant minds easily take the bait from such superpowers... knowing that they can do a lot to improve the situation in their own countries... well even knowledge succumbs to money.
its a disgrace to see the highest honour in mathematics being devalued like this. I am ashamed as an Indian that these brilliant men had to receive the medal from PRATIBHA PATIL ....its shameful to even see these petty politicians on stage when the best brains on the planet are getting such a big honour.
@aritropat I am totally ignorant about politics in that area. (Seriously. I am not being sarcastic.) Who is Pratibha Patil and what has he done and not done?
What does Schwarzenneger have to do with anything (he probably cannot even clear Euclidean geometry) with this.
This is a not a parade of clowns and simians; it is ceremony supposed to be august and sublime. We are honoring here the prophets among the billions on earth.
But this particular event was worse than kindergarden cop (which was more sublime and august in many respects) :)
Yeah the French are still leading the way for civilization in many respects; while the Americans are of course busy fighting endless wars against native populations.
so, we are going to have french mathematician wining the medal for 12 years in a row!! not bad at all!! especially people coming from " l’Ecole Polytechnique " and " l’Ecole normale supérieure de la rue d'Ulm " for which i think are probably the best school in the world in there fields. Not bad for the frogs.
Mathematicians love logic and proofs until they get to Physics. Then they love conjecture and the unreal. Wow! These guys protect the standards within their field and lowered the bar in ours. Mathematical Physicist destroyed Physics. Thanks for nothing! ED WITTEN.
There are a few people, normally expressed very well knows, this time to wonder about NBC News as the news of the government propaganda or truthful information independently.
Mr. Ngo Bao Chau replied : Only sheep must follow the guidance (He mean Vietcong VN NEWS media),It is not the attitude, the behavior of humans living freely.
Việt Nam yeah yeah. That's my country. I'm so proud of Ngô Bảo Châu. As I know Vietnam is the second country of Asia, which got a famous person like him. I love him and of course I'm so proud of him. I love Vietnam!
So yes I am concerned about the politicization of the award; for example "maybe next time we can have a women" or "next time maybe someone from Africa".
The Fields medal in my mind is sacrosanct and unlike the Nobel Prize (amazing no doubts) which is NOT ALWAYS about absolute intelligence (and pure mathematics ALWAYS IS)
Sorry to sound high minded, but this is "PURE" mathematics and it is almost a like a religion for some people.
On another point, I think the composition of the Committee to select the medal winners is critical.
Might it not be better to have only actual Fields Medal winners on this committee?
When the committee list was read, I could only place Tim Gowers as actually having one a fields medal (if he is the only one than certainly I am concerned).
And for example Karen Uhlenbeck? I am sure she is a nice person but really when was the last time a women won the fields medal? : (Never!)
The last guys suit made me laugh, There is something informal about this, I don't like it, mathematicians deserve so much more credit than the nobel prize winners
@quillendaniel I wouldnt be so quick to infer something like that.Even though Ngo deserved it by no means,there is a reason Grigori Perelman is upset with the mathematical community. To me the winners seem to be chosen by their nationality there are a couple who have made equal or greater contributions than Lindenstrauss. Including Christopher Hacon, and Ben Green.
I reallydo hope this award doesnt get politicized; it is after all pure mathematics we are talking about.
I dont want to sound anti-women because I am not but no woman has so far won a Fields medal (an neither has any South Asian, a region from which I originate); pretty much you see the same thing in chess (if men and women are put head to head).
There is a remark attributed to Kasparov which I paraphrase in this context "The gaps are closing; but they are still there"
@quillendaniel Yes I definitely understand where you are coming from. I didnt mean that I believe pure mathematics has been politicized, its just that this particular award choice seemed so.
To be honest I dont know enough to say whether this particular award was politicized; overall my sense that this award is still "ok" is pretty strong and I was trying to give some examples of categories that havent won to illustrate that.
@robertace57 He has both French and Vietnamese citizenship. The French citizenship just makes it easier for him to work in Europe and US. He is currently at Princeton US. He was born Vietnamese and left only after highschool. He held a professorship in Vietnam for a while. Vietnam is right to be proud of him.
He's both Vietnamese and French. So France is also proud of him. i think the man's comment about villani calling him "real french" was an awkard joke. Ngo has French nationality, so, regardless of how recent it is, he IS a real French.
He chose to become French, which makes makes more "French" than many of us who just happened to be born with the nationality. I think it's cool that he's got 2 nationalities. It's a pity somepeople can't seem to bear this.
You all look the same, Chinks! Hahaha! I thought you were going to defend both Chinese and Vietnamese people from my comment, calling me a racist at least once. You apparently only care about your chink-looking Vietnamese clowns.
This is balderdash! IMU stands for the International Mathematical Union not the English Speaking Mathematical Union. On top of that, none of this year winners are native English speakers.
The news coverage for this event was nonexistent; look at the views so far 321!
The backdrop is horrendous and the marketing done by mathematicians to promote their cause shows no results.......horrendous , appalling......the greatest minds in existence and they are dragged through this trash ;make that 57 factorial bows .....next time they can hold the ICM in Angola.
Yeah its like a farce; they have managed to introduce the choas and poor humor of the subcontinent into this great event (one must add that each of these mathematicians is an absolute genius no doubts); and the number of bows taken ; are we submitting to the caste system or ideals of individuality and freedom. It is in poor taste this ceremony; I much preferred John Ball and that setting.
@sommertagen It was unexpected but he has made good progress towards littlewood conjecture. I think it was a good call. The awards committee know what they are doing. Sometimes an outstanfing result in mathematics is not widely known until it gets a Fields Medal
Compared to 2006 ceremony, this is very weak. In 2006, John Ball, who announced the winners, managed to convey the sense of dignity and seriousness, as if Mathematics herself spoke through his mouth. Here we have pointless comments about winners' nationalities, and, worst of all, "and the brief citation reads:..." - very poor roleplaying; and why is the guy smiling all the time?
Me sentía bien con esta noticia, yo estudio en la Universidad de Ginebra que en investigadores van bien, pero en enseñanza el balance general es: no es muy buena
Dodovrosky 1 month ago
these guys are badasses i love mathematics
skycaptain141 7 months ago
I just remembered something: the Fields medal isn't that AGE-IST crap requiring a mathematician be under 40, is it? That's some other award in math, right?
mphello 8 months ago
Is there an upper and lower bound on the number of Fields medals handed out each year?
What math results follows from these medalists' work that hadn't before?
(Again, through the internet: I am NOT being sarcastic. I ask a serious question.)
mphello 8 months ago
Call my attention how the superpowers catch brilliant minds from other countries ...despites the differences they have. Besides, I find quite sad that such brilliant minds easily take the bait from such superpowers... knowing that they can do a lot to improve the situation in their own countries... well even knowledge succumbs to money.
felipalillo 1 year ago
its a disgrace to see the highest honour in mathematics being devalued like this. I am ashamed as an Indian that these brilliant men had to receive the medal from PRATIBHA PATIL ....its shameful to even see these petty politicians on stage when the best brains on the planet are getting such a big honour.
aritropat 1 year ago
@aritropat I am totally ignorant about politics in that area. (Seriously. I am not being sarcastic.) Who is Pratibha Patil and what has he done and not done?
mphello 8 months ago
ngo bao chau rocks!!!!!!!
thomasoeler 1 year ago
What does Schwarzenneger have to do with anything (he probably cannot even clear Euclidean geometry) with this.
This is a not a parade of clowns and simians; it is ceremony supposed to be august and sublime. We are honoring here the prophets among the billions on earth.
But this particular event was worse than kindergarden cop (which was more sublime and august in many respects) :)
quillendaniel 1 year ago
Yeah the French are still leading the way for civilization in many respects; while the Americans are of course busy fighting endless wars against native populations.
quillendaniel 1 year ago
so, we are going to have french mathematician wining the medal for 12 years in a row!! not bad at all!! especially people coming from " l’Ecole Polytechnique " and " l’Ecole normale supérieure de la rue d'Ulm " for which i think are probably the best school in the world in there fields. Not bad for the frogs.
vive la france!!!!!!!!!
sicmu1 1 year ago
Mathematicians love logic and proofs until they get to Physics. Then they love conjecture and the unreal. Wow! These guys protect the standards within their field and lowered the bar in ours. Mathematical Physicist destroyed Physics. Thanks for nothing! ED WITTEN.
MrRomaysae 1 year ago
Wow!
MrRomaysae 1 year ago
the french guy is so........french :P
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There are a few people, normally expressed very well knows, this time to wonder about NBC News as the news of the government propaganda or truthful information independently.
Mr. Ngo Bao Chau replied : Only sheep must follow the guidance (He mean Vietcong VN NEWS media),It is not the attitude, the behavior of humans living freely.
VIETNAMSAIGON75 1 year ago
Việt Nam yeah yeah. That's my country. I'm so proud of Ngô Bảo Châu. As I know Vietnam is the second country of Asia, which got a famous person like him. I love him and of course I'm so proud of him. I love Vietnam!
couldntbebetterful 1 year ago 3
Vive le Vietnam
Vive la France
Vive la communauté asiatique
Vive l'humanité
Merci
thiminhthao 1 year ago
So yes I am concerned about the politicization of the award; for example "maybe next time we can have a women" or "next time maybe someone from Africa".
The Fields medal in my mind is sacrosanct and unlike the Nobel Prize (amazing no doubts) which is NOT ALWAYS about absolute intelligence (and pure mathematics ALWAYS IS)
Sorry to sound high minded, but this is "PURE" mathematics and it is almost a like a religion for some people.
quillendaniel 1 year ago
On another point, I think the composition of the Committee to select the medal winners is critical.
Might it not be better to have only actual Fields Medal winners on this committee?
When the committee list was read, I could only place Tim Gowers as actually having one a fields medal (if he is the only one than certainly I am concerned).
And for example Karen Uhlenbeck? I am sure she is a nice person but really when was the last time a women won the fields medal? : (Never!)
quillendaniel 1 year ago
The last guys suit made me laugh, There is something informal about this, I don't like it, mathematicians deserve so much more credit than the nobel prize winners
Cagebreaker21 1 year ago
@Cagebreaker21
I agree totally !
The Nobel Prize is NOT ALWAYS about absloute intelligence.....
The Fields Medal ALWAYS IS.......
And Science is a SUBSET of Pure Mathematics......this is a very important point!
quillendaniel 1 year ago
@quillendaniel I wouldnt be so quick to infer something like that.Even though Ngo deserved it by no means,there is a reason Grigori Perelman is upset with the mathematical community. To me the winners seem to be chosen by their nationality there are a couple who have made equal or greater contributions than Lindenstrauss. Including Christopher Hacon, and Ben Green.
rosenberg011 1 year ago
@rosenberg011
I reallydo hope this award doesnt get politicized; it is after all pure mathematics we are talking about.
I dont want to sound anti-women because I am not but no woman has so far won a Fields medal (an neither has any South Asian, a region from which I originate); pretty much you see the same thing in chess (if men and women are put head to head).
There is a remark attributed to Kasparov which I paraphrase in this context "The gaps are closing; but they are still there"
quillendaniel 1 year ago
@quillendaniel Yes I definitely understand where you are coming from. I didnt mean that I believe pure mathematics has been politicized, its just that this particular award choice seemed so.
rosenberg011 1 year ago
@rosenberg011
To be honest I dont know enough to say whether this particular award was politicized; overall my sense that this award is still "ok" is pretty strong and I was trying to give some examples of categories that havent won to illustrate that.
quillendaniel 1 year ago
@zettavolt yep but he made his discovery in France. And he's considered like a french by professionnals.
robertace57 1 year ago
proud to be Vietnamese ☺
kunxu318 1 year ago 2
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Ngo Bao Chau is French. He made is works in a French Institute with French experts.
robertace57 1 year ago
@robertace57 He has both French and Vietnamese citizenship. The French citizenship just makes it easier for him to work in Europe and US. He is currently at Princeton US. He was born Vietnamese and left only after highschool. He held a professorship in Vietnam for a while. Vietnam is right to be proud of him.
zettavolt 1 year ago 19
@zettavolt
He's both Vietnamese and French. So France is also proud of him. i think the man's comment about villani calling him "real french" was an awkard joke. Ngo has French nationality, so, regardless of how recent it is, he IS a real French.
Luxsword29 1 year ago 3
@Luxsword29
French my ass. He's Vietnamese citizen. Stop fooling around
KatiushaVN4 9 months ago
@KatiushaVN4
He chose to become French, which makes makes more "French" than many of us who just happened to be born with the nationality. I think it's cool that he's got 2 nationalities. It's a pity somepeople can't seem to bear this.
Luxsword29 9 months ago
@zettavolt He wasn't at Princeton, he is currently teaching at Chicago
yamaha562000 9 months ago
@robertace57
Are you trying to claim the credit which you never earn?? How pathetic low IQ French
KatiushaVN4 1 year ago
Ngo Bao Chau - Vietnam Pride ^^
GreatViet 1 year ago
@GreatViet
Stupid chink.
LogicalFlawDetector 1 year ago
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@LogicalFlawDetector maybe, but I'm not chink ;)
GreatViet 1 year ago
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@LogicalFlawDetector Maybe, but I'm NOT chink ;)
GreatViet 1 year ago
@LogicalFlawDetector And Ngo Bao Chau is Vietnamese, NOT chink ;) You cannot tell Vietnamese & chink apart, so the stupid one is you :) Yes !
GreatViet 1 year ago 3
@GreatViet
You all look the same, Chinks! Hahaha! I thought you were going to defend both Chinese and Vietnamese people from my comment, calling me a racist at least once. You apparently only care about your chink-looking Vietnamese clowns.
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@LogicalFlawDetector
In fact I don't care about anything you say. Have a bad day, man ;)
GreatViet 1 year ago
lol..look at Smirnov when he is announced. He looks so lost and confused hahaha
Cammie010 1 year ago
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Plus next time the guy who reads the awards should have some charisma and know how to pronounce English words.
quillendaniel 1 year ago
@quillendaniel
This is balderdash! IMU stands for the International Mathematical Union not the English Speaking Mathematical Union. On top of that, none of this year winners are native English speakers.
PabloCecil 1 year ago 3
@quillendaniel It's a mathematics conference, not the oscars :)
zettavolt 1 year ago 22
@zettavolt
But this is not just any mathematics conference; this is a very special mathematics conference.
I strongly feel there is an amateurish quality about this conference as opposed to say the IMU meeting in 2006.
In a conference which you are trying to pick the "prophets" from among the mathematicians, surely more could be done.
Pure mathematics after all is about aesthetics more than anything else.
quillendaniel 1 year ago
@zettavolt If Schwarzenneger's English is good enough, this is also good enough. (Next time we might have to speak Mandarin :-)
lacerniagigante 1 year ago
@quillendaniel I agree
greattunisia 11 months ago
The news coverage for this event was nonexistent; look at the views so far 321!
The backdrop is horrendous and the marketing done by mathematicians to promote their cause shows no results.......horrendous , appalling......the greatest minds in existence and they are dragged through this trash ;make that 57 factorial bows .....next time they can hold the ICM in Angola.
quillendaniel 1 year ago
Yeah its like a farce; they have managed to introduce the choas and poor humor of the subcontinent into this great event (one must add that each of these mathematicians is an absolute genius no doubts); and the number of bows taken ; are we submitting to the caste system or ideals of individuality and freedom. It is in poor taste this ceremony; I much preferred John Ball and that setting.
quillendaniel 1 year ago
I have found quite surprising the medal to Lindenstrauss
sommertagen 1 year ago
@sommertagen
Why??
yaelag1 1 year ago
@sommertagen It was unexpected but he has made good progress towards littlewood conjecture. I think it was a good call. The awards committee know what they are doing. Sometimes an outstanfing result in mathematics is not widely known until it gets a Fields Medal
zettavolt 1 year ago 2
Ngo Bao Chau, VietNamese's pride !!
Ngô Bảo Châu, niềm kiêu hãnh VIỆT NAM !!! =D
hackerdoroke 1 year ago
Compared to 2006 ceremony, this is very weak. In 2006, John Ball, who announced the winners, managed to convey the sense of dignity and seriousness, as if Mathematics herself spoke through his mouth. Here we have pointless comments about winners' nationalities, and, worst of all, "and the brief citation reads:..." - very poor roleplaying; and why is the guy smiling all the time?
neworder11111 1 year ago
@neworder11111 congratulations to the winners! have to agree with you... compared to 2002 ceremony in beijing, this is also quite weak...
tagexing 1 year ago