@whitelancer64 ... i was commenting, cuz, I've not found any footage of actual desert tests of the flying mechanism deploying the wheeled vehicle. If you know of any such video could you direct me? TY
seriously though, i and i'm sure everyone else want to see the god damn rockets... are there really NO videos of the most dramatic component of the landing system for such an enormous enterprise of our nation's space program? Why would they make such an elaborate video of an incredibly asinine test like this... they are all SOO HAPPY that they slowly lowered something from a fixed platform on a rope... it's incredibly irritating
It does not look smooth! The back legs did not go out at the same time. Plus how you going to have rockets firing then lowering something that is supposed to land successful? I don't know but good luck to ya. I would not be making any bets on it landing well. lol Like to see some physics on it.
@TheG5cents They will work on it. Also, the rover won't just be dropped all at once. The'll let the wheels and legs get under its self before cutting the cables and letting it go.
@cheezoncrack Now that is a logical response. I was wondering that. Hope it works and glad there exploration again. Hopefully we can get a human on his way out there also someday. Mankind should be exploring the universe.
@TheG5cents It doesn't look smooth? Blithering idiots like you were crying about Pathfinder's landing system over a decade ago. What sounds worse, gently setting down the rover using a rocket powered crane, or dropping it from 10 meters for multiple 40g impacts by the use of an airbag, and then rely on the lander being able to open up, have the rover unfold, have the solar panels unfold, ect. Keep the heavy thinking to the people with the PHD's to back it up.
@UndeadPizzaGuy Seriously dude you got a problem with people's opinion and need to check yourself a bit. You do not know me or what I do. I am not defending the pathfinders way either. You say that is smooth then maybe you should check where your PHD came from. Your Light years away and controlling a robot powered landing on another planet. Do not go calling out names. Shows your immaturity on any situation including this one. It is just a opinion was not meant to hurt any ones feelings.
@TheG5cents You don't need a PHD to know that setting something gently on the ground is smoother than slamming it into the ground with airbags. If this is the extent of your logic, I honestly cannot help you. Hundreds of tests have been done with this landing system, as they were done with previous rovers, both active and in the lab. Additionally, light years away? Comical, try 10 light minutes.
@TheG5cents Assuming that you know more than the combined scientists and mathematicians at JPL is insulting, forget my statement of blithering idiots, what you said is far more disgraceful and egotistical. Having opinions is fine, so long as it does not involve subjects you are not educated on. If you know nothing about a subject, you cannot have a structured opinion because you have no idea what you are talking about.
If this succeeds, JPL's engineers are going to be lauded as heroes. If it fails, though... people ARE going to ream NASA/JPL a new one, for not conducting more realistic tests, in which all the dynamics of lowering a lander from a thruster-powered, free-floating platform were explored. I really hope you guys (and ladies) pull this off!
It doesn't matter how much it weighs - If they can desend within a few feet of the surface using retro rockets then the procedure should be a full touch down to a safe landing. To stop short of touchdown and then lower this thing using cables is completely unnecessary. It adds an enormous amount of complexity, expense and risk. Any reliability expert will tell you that the liklihood of failure increases every time you add more components and systems.
so given this thing has just been launched to Mars, i thought there would've been some video somewhere of this skycrane operating with its thrusters over Earth, given we have similar gravity and all.
The mass delusion of the people posting here is truly mind-numbing. Neither you nor I don't know shit about the engineering behind this drop, so, lets stop pretending to, mkay? There's positively nothing any of you can say about this project that hasn't already been thought about and discussed for HOURS.
@hoedoggy88 And who cares? She probably has a luxurious kitchen and her meals are being served by a house maid, her brain is more educated than yours and she doesnt live in the year 1530 like you. Go ask your mom if she wants to stay 24/7 in the kitchen. People the kitchen joke is too old, females deserve to be respected.
@HourGlass2012 Wait, are jokes supposed to be taken literally? Oh that's right, they're not. But thank you for the feed back. I have no doubt that this woman is very intelligent . A simple joke is only harmful to those who take it seriously. Apparently you don't understand that 99.9% of the internet is full of people joking around. So please, think about how "serious" people really are before commenting....
@hoedoggy88 Your probably right on the part that there are too many jokers out there, and experts who know it all. The kitchen joke is meant to offend females.
@HourGlass2012 The 'kitchen joke' is not meant to offend females, its meant to be a joke. The humour in it comes from how backwards and primitive that point of view is in this day and age.
@hoedoggy88 It doesn't matter if you're kidding or not: you can't control how people are going to react to that joke. And you know that joke is not going to be well-received in a lot of circles. So why making yourself look like a douchebag? Take responsibility for your actions: don't blame the tastelessness of your joke on us.
On a side note, these engineers only have one shot at landing this thing on Mars: I don't think they're taking the job lightly if they want continued funds.
I haven't seen so far the descent test with rockets for the skycrane. This landing system is more complex than previous ones. At least, this is what it looks like. I think og cross winds, rocket failure, etc. Too many factors. Also, in this test the skycrane is fixed, so it looks easier. Anyway, I hope the best for MSL.
I've been testing full scale aerospace components (includng drop tests) for 22 years and this methodology seems extremely risky. I know the boys and girls at JPL have pulled off some good stuff, but this one just seems to be too much of a circus act. Why not use the more conventional and proven methods of parachutes and airbags? It would be a shame to see this beautiful rover destroyed if the complicated dynamics of this landing go wrong.
Ive been working on my Aerospace Engineering degree here at embry riddle, and I have to admit.. this is a lot more complicated than the average person realizes. Just the fact that all the bright men and women over at the NASA JPL can make something like this work is a HUGE feat.
@saper321 Please tell me your joking right? You must not understand how complicated it is to make this. Nether do i, but your just stupid for saying that.
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LSDT, DTM, SFD, JPL,... fagotts with their macs and people clapping after a pile of junk -that costs millions but in fact could cost a lot less- descends form the ceiling. All Nasa's videos are about the same.
I'd like to see a test of the larger system -- aka with the rockets firing and keeping the skycrane aloft. Surely NASA would want to perform that larger system test before they get to Mars?
They considered using airbags again for the MSL mission and concluded that they would likely fail... Curiousity is simply too big and too heavy. It is far bigger/heavier than the MER rovers were.
I'm no Aerospace engineer, but I do know the more complex something is, the more can go wrong. This new "precision landing" device really has me uptight about the overall safety of Curiosity.
This landing system makes me nervous. There are too many working parts and cables are never a good idea, especially when you are lowing a rover from a rocket floating above the surface of a planet millions of miles away. The point of this system was to allow a precision landing, but the selection of Gale Crater as the landing site nullifies this necessity. A landing on the slopes is too risky, so they will have to do major driving from the landing site anyway, if it doesn't crash. I'm nervous.
@NGC5335 It depends on how many rocks are there on the surface, say like if it's a lava plane with lots of rocks, but if the surface is a dried up lake of martian water then the surface won't have lots of rocks.
Damn cute engineer. Wish we had some of them around here in Detroit! Anyway perhaps those legs need a little damping on the deployment? It would help relieve some of that impulse on the leg joints.
@onefugowie actually Mars itself as a planet has his own gravity and his own atmosphere (even if it is 1% thick compared to the Earth's atmosphere). So it will surely be able to "fall" onto Mars surface...the most important point though is whether technicians and scientists will be able to make it land on the right place (the chosen area for landing)
@onefugowie Mars is a lot smaller than Earth but it still has a gravitational pull, around 40% of what you get on Earth. So yes, the rover will still fall, but I believe somewhat slower than it does in tests on Earth.
'Oooooh, it looks like it'll break!'... 'Ooooooh, that's gunna snap in too!'... Now that NASA have had such in-depth critical analysis from this highly versed bunch of internet engineers, I'm sure they'll be straight back to the drawing board!
Fair play to this team of dedicated and highly skilled professionals. Can't wait for this next rover to do it's thing
Now that this has been said...nothing in the past has been done to this scale of this complexity. No matter how many successes they have in the future it will still be a complex operation. "Internet engineers" or not any person who has common sense can see the more moving parts = the greater potential for failure.
Last rovers they almost lost one because coding was wrong on timing release of shell/parachute/and airbags.... KISS
@bowlesjd Landing a rover of this size has never been *done* in the past - this is the biggest vehicle yet destined for Mars. Furthermore, the method of landing it is not "old" by any means - this is the first time it has been used. This rover is too big and heavy to bounce it on to the surface with air bags, as was done with the Pathfinder and the two MERs. The JPL has accumulated vast experience in soft-landing probes on Mars and I get the feeling that they know what they are doing.
Seems overly complicated for something that's been successfully done in the past... getting a rover to touch down on mars. More moving parts = increased probability of failure.
@Skaarjguy It worked very well in the past. Of cause the bags need to be of bigger size, but then....
But seriously, this strange system displayed in this video really looks overly complicated. multiple rockets, a roping technic.... Well, we will see if it works. Hope the best.
I'd like to see the actual 'rocket crane' tests.
sufizmjim 3 weeks ago
@sufizmjim did you not watch the video?
whitelancer64 4 days ago
@whitelancer64 ... i was commenting, cuz, I've not found any footage of actual desert tests of the flying mechanism deploying the wheeled vehicle. If you know of any such video could you direct me? TY
sufizmjim 4 days ago
seriously though, i and i'm sure everyone else want to see the god damn rockets... are there really NO videos of the most dramatic component of the landing system for such an enormous enterprise of our nation's space program? Why would they make such an elaborate video of an incredibly asinine test like this... they are all SOO HAPPY that they slowly lowered something from a fixed platform on a rope... it's incredibly irritating
MrJohnGalt09 1 month ago
@MrJohnGalt09 this is the only untested part of the landing. we've done rockets for years....
whitelancer64 4 days ago
i hope whe find a cookie machine there
smoothyarra1 2 months ago
It does not look smooth! The back legs did not go out at the same time. Plus how you going to have rockets firing then lowering something that is supposed to land successful? I don't know but good luck to ya. I would not be making any bets on it landing well. lol Like to see some physics on it.
TheG5cents 3 months ago
@TheG5cents They will work on it. Also, the rover won't just be dropped all at once. The'll let the wheels and legs get under its self before cutting the cables and letting it go.
cheezoncrack 3 months ago
@cheezoncrack Now that is a logical response. I was wondering that. Hope it works and glad there exploration again. Hopefully we can get a human on his way out there also someday. Mankind should be exploring the universe.
TheG5cents 2 months ago
@TheG5cents It doesn't look smooth? Blithering idiots like you were crying about Pathfinder's landing system over a decade ago. What sounds worse, gently setting down the rover using a rocket powered crane, or dropping it from 10 meters for multiple 40g impacts by the use of an airbag, and then rely on the lander being able to open up, have the rover unfold, have the solar panels unfold, ect. Keep the heavy thinking to the people with the PHD's to back it up.
UndeadPizzaGuy 2 months ago
@UndeadPizzaGuy Seriously dude you got a problem with people's opinion and need to check yourself a bit. You do not know me or what I do. I am not defending the pathfinders way either. You say that is smooth then maybe you should check where your PHD came from. Your Light years away and controlling a robot powered landing on another planet. Do not go calling out names. Shows your immaturity on any situation including this one. It is just a opinion was not meant to hurt any ones feelings.
TheG5cents 2 months ago
@TheG5cents You don't need a PHD to know that setting something gently on the ground is smoother than slamming it into the ground with airbags. If this is the extent of your logic, I honestly cannot help you. Hundreds of tests have been done with this landing system, as they were done with previous rovers, both active and in the lab. Additionally, light years away? Comical, try 10 light minutes.
UndeadPizzaGuy 2 months ago
@TheG5cents Assuming that you know more than the combined scientists and mathematicians at JPL is insulting, forget my statement of blithering idiots, what you said is far more disgraceful and egotistical. Having opinions is fine, so long as it does not involve subjects you are not educated on. If you know nothing about a subject, you cannot have a structured opinion because you have no idea what you are talking about.
UndeadPizzaGuy 2 months ago
If this succeeds, JPL's engineers are going to be lauded as heroes. If it fails, though... people ARE going to ream NASA/JPL a new one, for not conducting more realistic tests, in which all the dynamics of lowering a lander from a thruster-powered, free-floating platform were explored. I really hope you guys (and ladies) pull this off!
v16050118130114 3 months ago
Why were the wheels removed for this test?
John27346 3 months ago
No ones said there has been no real world testing of the rocket powered crane?? This video is for the landing system drop function only. (duh)
ADEdge 3 months ago
It doesn't matter how much it weighs - If they can desend within a few feet of the surface using retro rockets then the procedure should be a full touch down to a safe landing. To stop short of touchdown and then lower this thing using cables is completely unnecessary. It adds an enormous amount of complexity, expense and risk. Any reliability expert will tell you that the liklihood of failure increases every time you add more components and systems.
ultpress 3 months ago
Where's the rockets?!?!?! How can they call THAT a success?????
peaps 3 months ago
so given this thing has just been launched to Mars, i thought there would've been some video somewhere of this skycrane operating with its thrusters over Earth, given we have similar gravity and all.
so where is the video?
SuperRicecrackers 3 months ago
@SuperRicecrackers We've got about 3 times the gravity dude.
FantasticBob7000 3 months ago
I am smarter that most people here to make a meta-observation about their behavior.
antinominianist 3 months ago
The mass delusion of the people posting here is truly mind-numbing. Neither you nor I don't know shit about the engineering behind this drop, so, lets stop pretending to, mkay? There's positively nothing any of you can say about this project that hasn't already been thought about and discussed for HOURS.
tl;dr - STFU
Jstrick9 3 months ago 10
How the hell did she get out of the kitchen?
hoedoggy88 3 months ago
@hoedoggy88 And who cares? She probably has a luxurious kitchen and her meals are being served by a house maid, her brain is more educated than yours and she doesnt live in the year 1530 like you. Go ask your mom if she wants to stay 24/7 in the kitchen. People the kitchen joke is too old, females deserve to be respected.
HourGlass2012 3 months ago
@HourGlass2012 Wait, are jokes supposed to be taken literally? Oh that's right, they're not. But thank you for the feed back. I have no doubt that this woman is very intelligent . A simple joke is only harmful to those who take it seriously. Apparently you don't understand that 99.9% of the internet is full of people joking around. So please, think about how "serious" people really are before commenting....
hoedoggy88 3 months ago
@hoedoggy88 Your probably right on the part that there are too many jokers out there, and experts who know it all. The kitchen joke is meant to offend females.
HourGlass2012 3 months ago
@HourGlass2012 The 'kitchen joke' is not meant to offend females, its meant to be a joke. The humour in it comes from how backwards and primitive that point of view is in this day and age.
ADEdge 3 months ago
@hoedoggy88 It doesn't matter if you're kidding or not: you can't control how people are going to react to that joke. And you know that joke is not going to be well-received in a lot of circles. So why making yourself look like a douchebag? Take responsibility for your actions: don't blame the tastelessness of your joke on us.
On a side note, these engineers only have one shot at landing this thing on Mars: I don't think they're taking the job lightly if they want continued funds.
SLNoel 3 months ago
@SLNoel Then why do comedians even bother telling jokes?
hoedoggy88 3 months ago
@hoedoggy88 Because people want them to and pay money for them to tell their jokes. No one asked for yours.
SLNoel 3 months ago
@SLNoel All I am saying is that if you can't handle a joke, you definitely should not be on the internet.
hoedoggy88 3 months ago
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I'll show you my rover....
BadMannerKorea 3 months ago
I haven't seen so far the descent test with rockets for the skycrane. This landing system is more complex than previous ones. At least, this is what it looks like. I think og cross winds, rocket failure, etc. Too many factors. Also, in this test the skycrane is fixed, so it looks easier. Anyway, I hope the best for MSL.
Antimoron2 3 months ago
The curiosity drop....much harder than any dubstep drop
sayrith 3 months ago
"i'm making a note here, huge success"
aserta 3 months ago 29
@aserta and when we're dead it will be still alive. it's doing science and it's still alive. still alive. still alive.
TheAssgas 3 months ago
@aserta Hah!
jorge10928 3 months ago
They should put a flamethrower on it. Now THAT would be cool. And a bazooka.
reddog8800 3 months ago
@reddog8800 They should put a bazooka up your asshole. That would be cool wouldn't it?
BigBagsForRent 3 months ago 3
@BigBagsForRent
Depends on the ammo cost.
reddog8800 3 months ago
I've been testing full scale aerospace components (includng drop tests) for 22 years and this methodology seems extremely risky. I know the boys and girls at JPL have pulled off some good stuff, but this one just seems to be too much of a circus act. Why not use the more conventional and proven methods of parachutes and airbags? It would be a shame to see this beautiful rover destroyed if the complicated dynamics of this landing go wrong.
ultpress 3 months ago
@ultpress because the rover ways 800kg's and the atmosphere of mars is to thin for parachutes only
Chronox5 3 months ago
@ultpress it's too heavy for airbags.
whitelancer64 3 months ago
Ive been working on my Aerospace Engineering degree here at embry riddle, and I have to admit.. this is a lot more complicated than the average person realizes. Just the fact that all the bright men and women over at the NASA JPL can make something like this work is a HUGE feat.
Pd147 3 months ago
we need Skycrane in action
sc2demander 3 months ago
So how many government workers it takes to build a mars rover???
Next time get Toyota or Ford engineers to build this thing for you.
saper321 3 months ago
@saper321 if the Toyota engineers built this, the throttle would get stuck. let the rocket scientists do their own thing... lol
whitelancer64 3 months ago
@saper321 Please tell me your joking right? You must not understand how complicated it is to make this. Nether do i, but your just stupid for saying that.
cheezoncrack 3 months ago
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LSDT, DTM, SFD, JPL,... fagotts with their macs and people clapping after a pile of junk -that costs millions but in fact could cost a lot less- descends form the ceiling. All Nasa's videos are about the same.
kapullas 3 months ago
@kapullas What qualifications do you have to know better than those people?
BurritoBazooka 3 months ago
I'd like to see a test of the larger system -- aka with the rockets firing and keeping the skycrane aloft. Surely NASA would want to perform that larger system test before they get to Mars?
aerodyno 3 months ago
@aerodyno
you are 100% correct. Where is the full scale test?
ultpress 3 months ago
They considered using airbags again for the MSL mission and concluded that they would likely fail... Curiousity is simply too big and too heavy. It is far bigger/heavier than the MER rovers were.
mychinostrip 3 months ago 2
I wanna work for the mars science laboratory, I have a bachelor degree in mechatronical engineering. Any chance? How?
CognitiveNetwork 4 months ago
omg.... they are using fishing line to lower something the size of a golf cart.... eghhhhhhh this looks shotty at best.
NaturalGroundation 7 months ago
I'm no Aerospace engineer, but I do know the more complex something is, the more can go wrong. This new "precision landing" device really has me uptight about the overall safety of Curiosity.
NRShaggy 7 months ago
This landing system makes me nervous. There are too many working parts and cables are never a good idea, especially when you are lowing a rover from a rocket floating above the surface of a planet millions of miles away. The point of this system was to allow a precision landing, but the selection of Gale Crater as the landing site nullifies this necessity. A landing on the slopes is too risky, so they will have to do major driving from the landing site anyway, if it doesn't crash. I'm nervous.
NGC5335 7 months ago
@NGC5335 It depends on how many rocks are there on the surface, say like if it's a lava plane with lots of rocks, but if the surface is a dried up lake of martian water then the surface won't have lots of rocks.
BR75069 7 months ago
@NGC5335 Yeah this looks like the most complicated thing they could have come up with... I thought the bubble bounce landing method was fine.
Mordenist 7 months ago
She's cute and smart. We should have offspring together.
Yanman88 7 months ago
@Yanman88 Same here.
mrteemumilto 6 months ago
It pleases me to see that they use that many Macs at JPL!
svirrsvarr 8 months ago
@svirrsvarr I can guarantee what is running curiosity is not a mac.
NaturalGroundation 7 months ago
I can't believe I didn't say this last time I watched this video, but this test was a triumph.
In fact, I'm making a note here: HUGE SUCCESS. :D
Skaarjguy 8 months ago
In these comments: people who pretend to understand better than JPL engineers.
redbeast2 8 months ago 75
pozdrowienia dla calego kolektywu !
Marezaz 8 months ago
has it mount points for guns? if not: how are you planning to defend mars against a soviet invasion?
MinyxGames 8 months ago
They should leave the wheels out altogether on the next one, and make it a hexapod!
looksintolasers 1 year ago
To give the size difference, MER is about the size of a coffee table, MSL is more like a Mini Cooper...hence not being able to use the airbags
mountie8 1 year ago
Damn cute engineer. Wish we had some of them around here in Detroit! Anyway perhaps those legs need a little damping on the deployment? It would help relieve some of that impulse on the leg joints.
TheArfdog 1 year ago
@onefugowie actually Mars itself as a planet has his own gravity and his own atmosphere (even if it is 1% thick compared to the Earth's atmosphere). So it will surely be able to "fall" onto Mars surface...the most important point though is whether technicians and scientists will be able to make it land on the right place (the chosen area for landing)
bowlingfor1 1 year ago
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onefugowie 1 year ago
@onefugowie Mars is a lot smaller than Earth but it still has a gravitational pull, around 40% of what you get on Earth. So yes, the rover will still fall, but I believe somewhat slower than it does in tests on Earth.
Boyinabox 1 year ago
@onefugowie Mars has gravity, also just because the boosters are firing does not mean they are completely eliminating force of descent.
NaturalGroundation 7 months ago
'Oooooh, it looks like it'll break!'... 'Ooooooh, that's gunna snap in too!'... Now that NASA have had such in-depth critical analysis from this highly versed bunch of internet engineers, I'm sure they'll be straight back to the drawing board!
Fair play to this team of dedicated and highly skilled professionals. Can't wait for this next rover to do it's thing
dscan01 1 year ago
@dscan01 Your comment is dumb
-Occam's Razor - KISS = Failure.
Now that this has been said...nothing in the past has been done to this scale of this complexity. No matter how many successes they have in the future it will still be a complex operation. "Internet engineers" or not any person who has common sense can see the more moving parts = the greater potential for failure.
Last rovers they almost lost one because coding was wrong on timing release of shell/parachute/and airbags.... KISS
NaturalGroundation 7 months ago
That is pretty insane and risky!
JeromeDemers 1 year ago
The craft looks fragile in the sens that's it look's it could tip over by anything .,
Qulopuaa 1 year ago
The sound is to low set.
Qulopuaa 1 year ago
Way to go MSL, keep it up!
Yatty1833 1 year ago
Kudos to the MSL team!
wjpomerantz 1 year ago
Savannah for lab director... who's with me??
xstasy007 1 year ago
How does this qualify as a "landing" test if it doesn't touch the ground?
sharrynuk 1 year ago
@sharrynuk Landing "system" "drop test". There's a clue in there somewhere. ;)
Plus, if you watch the video...
nagualdesign 1 year ago
Very nice job, Savannah. Very exciting.
NOLAMarathon2010 1 year ago
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Landing a rover of this size has never been successfully done in the past. Old methods will not work.
bowlesjd 1 year ago
@bowlesjd Landing a rover of this size has never been *done* in the past - this is the biggest vehicle yet destined for Mars. Furthermore, the method of landing it is not "old" by any means - this is the first time it has been used. This rover is too big and heavy to bounce it on to the surface with air bags, as was done with the Pathfinder and the two MERs. The JPL has accumulated vast experience in soft-landing probes on Mars and I get the feeling that they know what they are doing.
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bowlesjd 1 year ago
Seems overly complicated for something that's been successfully done in the past... getting a rover to touch down on mars. More moving parts = increased probability of failure.
shogo7g 1 year ago
@shogo7g Yes indeed. I liked the air-bag method best, sofar.
Upuauta 1 year ago
@Upuauta Sure, let's just drop this huge rover directly onto the martian surface. Surely nothing will break!
Skaarjguy 1 year ago
@Skaarjguy It worked very well in the past. Of cause the bags need to be of bigger size, but then....
But seriously, this strange system displayed in this video really looks overly complicated. multiple rockets, a roping technic.... Well, we will see if it works. Hope the best.
Upuauta 1 year ago
I'd love to know: How do you compensate for doing this test in Earth gravity?
mjkobb 1 year ago
They are sending another one to Mars?! holy mother of god...
ParaglidingManiac 1 year ago
@ParaglidingManiac Yeah. If you've got a problem with it, well then you know where to stick it. ;)
Skaarjguy 1 year ago
@Skaarjguy,
Yes, I guess I do :) too bad we're not sendin any to the Moon.
ParaglidingManiac 1 year ago
Sure that this wound with an adhesive tape toilet-on-wheels will successfully land onto Mars...
Martians will shit themselves seeing that it's they
svyblov 1 year ago
Good luck Cury!
you2tube22 1 year ago
too cool! i want to go with it!
psychodelicdragon 1 year ago 3
@psychodelicdragon Don't leave me! :((
krstcmjns 1 year ago
@psychodelicdragon You'd die lol
toocoolforu 3 months ago