This is entirely a matter of taste. For long time I enjoyed what you called "deep" sound. Berman is certainly very talented and a great pianist. Sound of Horowitz is impossible to describe, but it is the light itself, extremely economical and precise, yet powerful, delicate, orchestral and singing...almost immaterial
In Horowitz version one can hear everything. He is on another level from Berman, Berman knew it and acknowledged it. it is obvious from every single recording of the two. However, you have the right to prefer Berman...matter of taste
...to have such tremendous skills as horowitz is a great danger.of course his sound is great but it´s not deep,in the sense to get and to express all the composers intention.therefore i love bermanns:he connects virtuosity and the core of music.he has got immense skills...p l u s.
i agree with berlin, but something that i find bothers me is... the showmanship in a lot of horowitz' playing bothers me i can explain in detail but i must go practice this piece in prep for a recital. my god brendel plays the tremolos (in l hand) beautifully.
no,bermann is the best version indeed,listen how differenciated he feels the original orchestral dynamics of wagner.brendel´s piano tone is too bony and even his dynamic spectrum might be rather limited.
i fear you are not right at all.horowitz doesnt hit the polyphonic structure of the liebestod.one does notice the main part but all the others are not modelled properly and so it sounds too simple and not followed according to the wagner orchestral conception.
Brendel is a living LEGEND! EVERYTHING he plays is just SUPERB!!!! It HAS to be. It's none other than ALFRED BRENDEL playing. From Bach to Braham, Mozarella to Mussourgskillini, Shoeman to Shoneburp. And of course this Liebslipshod, just like Petrarcha 800, the masterpiece he played immediately preceding, is just sublime! You don't have to be a piano player to know that?
Of course a YouTube blindfold test is impossible and maybe I would fall through, but pleasurably as Brendel plays, I would prefer Jorge Bolet here. Or Cziffra.
Fantastic tonal pallette! The degree of control that Brendel has is staggering, especially in his pianissimo range. I think he is one of, if not THE most orchestral sounding of all the major pianists around today. I prefer the early recording of this because he plays some interesting variants, but this is certainly an exceptional performance that leaves one with a sense of longing.
I totally agree. His sound is indeed orchestrated.
There's a short video here on youtube where he briefly (it isn't complete) explains the Wanderer Fantasy. He always has orchestra in mind, and characterisation (piece's personality) as well.
my gosh, i cant find the link to that video? could you send me a link to it please? i have piano competition finals in two days for a trophy and think that could help me have a better more "orchestral" left hand tremolo. thank you!
h t t p : / / w w w . y o u t u b e . c o m / watch?v=ud1X2f2FDaY That's the link. Pretty short video, though. You will find Alfred Brendel's Man and Mask much more interesting and informative... the section where he speaks about characterizing a piece. Good luck!
It was a joy to hear him apply his fine sensibilities, and unleash his powers on this piece. I think B is fantastic in Beethoven, Shubert..Haydn. He is equally fine in Liszt - bringing out things that more "romantic" pianist's miss.
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moreover,brendel doesn't care for what people think ,he lives and act what he plays and what he feels, even if you (all) dislike it . If music is something else ...
For me liszt is shit compared to beethov.I have the right to criticize too. here I acted like you all. How is it ?
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that´s the problem,i agree with u,he didnt care of what people think or say----->especially:improve technique,your sound on the piano and limit yourself to your strengths:in general play the piano much better;)))
Yes I am aware of what boyo means in spanish - I am NOT spanish. I have no problem with the word in my language or anyone elses. The tremolos could never be 'in me' and he didn't have parkinsons when this was recorded.
are you able to do something better ? I don't think so ... He's a great pianist,talented, open-minded and you' re worth nothing .You're like a dog in a box .Barkin barkin barkin but you never go out . No power .hehe
Impressive and thrilling in parts but I wonder whether possibly too clear in others - a rather classical sounding performance...this isnt classical music this is as Romantic and seductive as it gets..I just find it in places too matter of fact..but his tremolos are some of the best controlled on youtube.
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Heyy "pianoboyo" .......do you know what menas "Boyo" in some Spanish speaking countries?......... much better change your nickname.......
Well concerning Brendel tremolos ...well they could be the best only in You Tube maybe...and BTW he plays them with a nice "Parkinson" syndrom........
Really incredible, just sublime. Forget about this yt person. Don't let other people change how you feel about a performance, they don't own ear or your heart.
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hello "pviljoen".
yes ...forget YT person, becuase is on vacation ..............i am worst than him dear.
Do you say: "Just sublime"..........well verybody has their own taste.
For me in this peformance the only "Sublime" is his "Iguana syndrom" when he get a kind of orgasm in his repeated octaves and chords, which BTW he played so stiff and with really ugly sound.
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Heyy "jakeoshehsfelid"...So when you buuy a new Iguana give her a good "Exlax" amount. or put her a glicerine suppositories.....Just what Brendel needs ( i think ), because when he speaks he looks so constipated.
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ernesto 9845785e499589?¿?)08, fabRENDEL and Gerardaximenez are the same persons with different nicknames. And just one (among many) of the easy ways to probe is their language. people who born in a very low neigborhood, cna´t not change behavior so easily.
We were born in low neighborhood, ytpiano7 ? I don't know about the others (we are not the same person), but I was born at some elevation, inland.
What I consider very low neighborhood is, for example, New Orleans, below the level of the sea. Another low level neighborhood is the adorable Venice. I hope you are not from there, because they say it is being eaten up by cucarachas as the rodents flee from the higher waters...
if they're from a indigant, or "low" as you call it, neighborhood then you must be from the bottom of the sea. you don't know art and you can't spell for crap seeing the myriad of idiotic comments you left about Mr. Brendel
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Hello PT4TEA or "Patea"???
Well it could be in the bottom of the sea when i take a tour diving in vacations.... And use a better imagination jerk, bacause in the botom of the sea you find in same places beautiful thnks. I don´t think the same thing could be happen in Harlem .....unlees you belong there..............And BTW my comments about Brendel coul be idiotic for you, but who cares? if yuo are already an idiot?.......
haha i just for curiosity came back to this boring video to se some comments, and i realize the company of imbecils is increasing. Now is one more idiot "Gerardo" haha. Is incredible that retarded of FABrendel think people here is stupid to don´t realize Ernesto 8984934, Fabrendel and geradoximenez are the same person? Poor FABrendel you are worst tha idiot. Ahh so sorry i can reply to you in yopur kind of language; i did only to the crap of "Gerardoximenez" but in spanish..to continue..
continuing... it means not in "Argentinian" language. is unbeliavable...hahaa.. the FABrendel jerk adopted the "English teacher" position and he is not abñe to speak correctly his own language. What a imbecil and idiot....But who is really atoninshing, is no one of them (the same person) until now gave any real musical argument when make the defense of their "Master" hahaa they are just specialists in speak obscenities..like they are.
By jerks... (sorry) ...JERK (is only one with three names)
This feels like an old-man preparing for his date by carefully combing his hair over and wax-concrete-spraying it into place. After that,a quick run to the kitchen to down a elephant size dose of Viagra...before
(cont.) From 5.56 to 6.10 there is an oboe line in Wagner's original; Brendel plays the piano version absolutely literally and therefore fails to bring this out.
The Jonathan Tsay Liebestod is also much better than this. I simply can't agree with several aspects of this interpretation. To list a xouple of points: Brendel's manifest failure to represent the melodic line in many places. The block chords from 2.50 are atrocious playing - the melodic line lies in the upper treble and there is no distinction between it and the rest of the chord.
He does the same thing in his Schubert and Schumann. He seems only to care about the harmonic movement of a piece and misses the point. I think he's a lousy pianist.
Brendel did a great job for the Liszt-revival. But honestly, his sound, temperament and approach are better suited for the Viennese Classics, especially Schubert.
Jaja, is not like that my friend. Cziffra1980 does nothing but criticize this unquestionable master of the piano. He is not against this piece but to almost any piece Brendel plays. Therefore i´m just making clear his ignorance and lack of respect to a genius, when he is nothing but a dreadful piano analyzer.
Me alegra, smithsherman, que aprecies las interpretaciones de Alfred. El es para mi el mejor interprete de todos los tiempos, y sin duda, como bien remarcaste, es mi idolo. Sin embargo mi idolatria, no se basa en cosas abstractas que puedan discutirse, sino que esta sustentada por todos sus logros como pianista y porque considero que ademas de usar sus habilidades fisicas tambien usa su cabeza, proponiendo una nueva perspectiva y aproximacion a cómo las piezas deben ser interpretadas.
Querido smithsherman: 1- Yo no dije q vos idolatres a Brendel, sino que me alegra puedas apreciar sus interpretaciones. El que lo "idolatra" soy yo, aunque no de una manera enfermiza, sino mas como diciendo que lo admiro por sus logros e ideas.
Su "Nueva perspectiva" viene de su limitación instrumental y su carencia de elementos dinámicos, su falta de imaginación y su técnica mediocre. Su interpretaciones son tan cálidas como un Verano en la Antártida.
Si vas a manifestar tu punto de vista entonces hacelo educadamente y con respeto porque asi das pena.
Brendel es sin duda el mejor interprete de todos los tiempos para mi, y para una gran mayoria de gente que sabe de piano.
Si yo fuera el unico que lo dice, entonces puede que estuviere loco, pero como estoy dentro de la mayoria y encima puedo explicar donde radica pianisticamente su superioridad, entonces veo que te falta conocimiento.
Finish of discussions with FABrendel with me. If he wants to continuing doing his nosense, he can do it. I will not give any answer to him anymore, because is not worth to get into his very low level in music and specially in vulgarity. he is more than ordinary and really doesn´t deserve to be considered seriously. My discussion with him was a kind of experiment (to continue)
Continuing....to realize how people can go so low in a music forum. Is a real contradiction and nonsense. I really took him as the laboratory rat. I probe already to some friends how some people can loose the self control when somebody "Atack" their idols.
My apologies to whom could be disturbed with those sterile discusions.
To be clear with the idea of the weight of body on the keyboard, i just say it is impopssible because the body weight is on the bench. That´s teh reason in wrong technique aproach when pianists play with thw bench so high trying to "Put the body weight" on the piano.........a think which is impossible and is against physics. They do in a virtual way PUSHING and pushing, and of course they play very stiff and contacted.
Una pregunta: Para que toca el Brendel sentado en una silla, si por su posición sería mejor que tocase parado.......y no lo niegues. Se objetivo y "ObservÁlo" (en tu idioma).......realmente parece una rana de acuario tocando el piano.
Sos tan burro que ni siquiera sabes que cada uno toca como le queda mas comodo. La tecnica de Brendel es impecable, y te lo digo en serio.
Una rana parece Horowitz, no Brendel, y sin embargo no debe criticarse su tecnica. En el conservatorio te enseñan una tecnica general y despues, teniendo esa base, cada uno toca como le convenga.
PD: Que insultos de gay que haces. Dan lastima esas palabras de nene tonto.
Que prtencioso que eres so burro con disfraz de letrado.
mejor imtérprete ? Fundamenta. A que le llamas "Logros como pianista"? Cuales son sus habilidades físicas ? Sabes algo de técnica pianística?. Y como "Deben ser interpretadas las piezas"? so pedazo de creído y atorrante.
A tener por lejos la discografia mas extensa de todos los artistas. A tener mas premios que cualquiera sobre Beethoven, Mozart, Schubert, Haydn e incluso Liszt. A ser miembro honorario de la Philarmonica de Vienna (privilegio que solo tuvieron Sauer y Backhaus).
A ser considerado una eminencia por absolutamente cualquier critico de musica.
A ser el primer pianista en grabar el ciclo de las sonatas de Beethoven completo, etc, etc etc. Por ahi ganaste vos mas premios, jajaa.
Por eso digo, que antes de criticar una interpretacion de Brendel hay que estar instruido y ser cuidadoso, porque sus aproximaciones a una pieza clasica, conllevan detalles que el oyente debe conocer para estar en posicion de criticar. (esto sucede mas que nada con Liszt ya que en lo que respecta a la escuela vienesa y schubert, es reconocida su superioridad). Se me hace dificil poner en pocas palabras algo tan complicado a veces de hacer entender, pero en caso de quererlo podemos discutirlo.
2- Si sos un maestro de la guitarra, sabras de musica en general y bastante de interpretaciones sobre dicho instrumento. Sin embargo, eso no quiere decir q sepas de piano, que es un intrumento diferente y con bastante mas sonoridad, que consecuentemente se interpreta y ejecuta de muy distinta manera. Analogamente, seria como si yo tratara de enseñarte a vos como tocar guitarra cuando yo toco el piano, y evidentemente no es mi terreno.
Amigo smithsherman... uno puede saber de musica, pero el que sabe los pequeños detalles de un instrumento es quien interpreta dicho instrumento. Yo puedo hacer una critica sobre otro instrumento, pero hablar con propiedad y arguementos solamente de uno, que es el piano y es del que yo se. Sino, la musica seria muy general y poco especializada, y la especializacion, es necesaria para lograr un mayor perfeccionamiento.
Como tocarás el piano ???. Si la técnica de Brendel que es dura y en lugar de dejar que el peso por gravedad haga gran parte del trabajo y no el estar empujando sobre el teclado como un imbécil, te parece "Superior" , como será tu idea de lo "Inferior". Cambia de instrumento mejor, o cambia de profesor. Por lo pronto a mí ni me pidas que te enseñe. En tu país hay varios alumnos que estudiaron con Scaramuzza, a ver si alguno de ellos te recosntruye.
Vos que sos un gallego ignorante y don nadie ¿te pones a criticar a BRENDEL? lee bien ¿Brendel? Sos comico. Anda a hablarle de la gravedad a la poblacion gay de tu pais, osea a todos. Salame, das pena.
Mi profesor fue Antonio de Racco infeliz, no tenes ni idea de con quien hablas.
Antonio de Racco es un cagado. Yo lo escuché una vez tocar un recital en un país Sud Americano, para ser preciso el año 84. Me recuerdo que su plato de fondo fue la 3era Balada de Chopin tocada hasta el reculo. Si ese es tu nivel, realmente pobrecito. No te culpo de ser como eres. Recuerdo que para hacer los acordes alternados con notas sueltas del sección del medio movía medio cuerpo y parecía un bufón.continua
Ahora entiendo porque tipos como Brendel pueden ser unos genios para tí. Racco debe haber sido uno de los peores alumnos de Scaramuzza y digo eso porque recuerdo que en su curriculum decía que había estudiado con el. Debe haber sido cuando Scaramuzza ya estaba viejo y cagado ( siempre usando tu estilo grosero para hacerte honor).çcontinua...
te voy a dar tregua. No tienes la culpa si te han dado un horizonte tan limitado y pobre del pianismo en general. Yo estudié luego de graduarme en mi 2do país, en Italia en Roma y luego pasé por Mannes College y Juilliard en N.Y. ty ni te digo mejor con quienes estudie´porque te caes de culo. Por eso es que ya no voy a discutir contigo sobre piano. No tienes nivel. Chau.
Jajaj que ingenuo que sos traga leche. Lo unico de lo que sabes hablar es de que "cuando toca mueve todo el cuerpo" y "Scaramuzza"... ¿no podias ser mas tonto? Te estas pasando ya. ¿Cuantas veces le chupaste la pija a Scaramuzza? jajja.
¿Con quieeen estudiaste vos negro pobre?
No te conoce nadie BOLUDOOO, nadie, ni tu familia de homosexuales te conoce.
Si estudiaste en Julliard entonces sos un fracasado. Hacete prostituta como tu vieja... asi vas a ser popular hasta las bolas JAJAAA.
Este ytpiano7 si que es un chupa-ortos traga vergas, que cabrón más necio, tiene una fijación con Brendel, seguramente quería que en Julliard le dieran por el culo y no consiguió a nadie entonces se ensañó con el primero que se le ocurrió...
Jajaja, ¿viste? Es terrible este chabon. Mira que no soy de insultar, pero este individuo tan ignorante y maleducado (no por lo que me diga a mi, sino por faltarle el respeto a alguien como Alfred) merece la humillacion.
ENcima de todo, el infeliz tiene 53 años, ¿podes creerlo? Mira cualquier video de Brendel, vas a ver que deja sus estupidos comentarios en cada uno. Seguro que ni ve los videos y no debe tocar nada mas que el feliz cumpleaños. Saludos Gerardo.
Saludos a vos, es increíble lo que foros de este tipo atraen, en vez de ser un lugar para aprender, para expresar diferentes puntos de vista y para ver lo que de otra manera sería imposible (no tengo tanto dinero para comprar DVD's), se ha convertido en nido de enfermos mentales que se ensañan...así fue con un foro de Jaco Pastorius (me gusta el jazz), había un tipo idéntico a este ytpiano7 que se burlaba hasta de la terrible muerte que tuvo. En fin, difrutemos de lo bueno. Un abrazo.
Viste, se trastornó ytpiano7. Ahora ve personajes que lo acosan por todo lado. Es un esquizofrénico, porqué no se tragará una caja completa de Risperdal para que deje de joder. Ya que ytpiano7 es tan macho insultando a la madre de todos por acá ¿saben porqué está así? porque su puto padre cogió tanta prostituta que le pegó la sífilis a su madre, el puto nació chingado. Mucha bola le hemos dado a este pajero de mierda. No conozco a FABrendel ni a Ernesto 8984934, pero respeto sus comentarios.
Uhmm "Sabés" a quien le dieron en el culo ....pero no en Juilliard ? a la puta de tu madre y al maricón de tu padre le dieron hasta por la uretra...........chau concha tu madre. ahh.......y sigue jodiendo , vas a ver lo que te espera y ahí me concerás bien así que ándala parando de una vez antes que te cague y se como hacerlo malparido.
No dudo que tanto tu madre como tu padre fueron excelentes personas, pero una persona como vos parece que la cagaron en vez de parirla, y les daría vergüenza ver como se te sale toda la educación que ciertamente no la aprendiste de ellos ¿porqué no te buscás un trabajo huevón, y a quién creés que estás amenazando ancianete de mierda? yo no me desgasto hablando mierda por tooooda youtube, que de Uchida, que de Brendel, sos una vieja de patio, loca rematada andá a buscar verga traga pingas.
Gracis por tu elevado párrafo CONCHA DE TU MADRE. Tendrás noticias.
Ahh trabajo tengo .......mas bien posiblemente alguna vez me pedirás que te de trabajo. "No tenés" idea quien soy. Realmente eres bruto para jugar con fuego. Por aquí me verás muy poco porque realmente viendo a tu Dios se aprende lo que no se debe hacer en el piano y eso ya lo se desde hace muchos años. Encima eres limitado e ignorante. pobre diablo, al igual que tus otras personalidades Fabrendel y Ernensto. ve al sicólogo.
Jaja... dejalo Gerardo, no vale la pena hablar con esa lacra. Por otro lado, tus comentarios me hicieron reir mucho. Este culo roto de ytpiano7 sigue sin darse cuenta que esta haciendo mas que el ridiculo. Es tan salame que hasta piensa que somos la misma persona porque nadie piensa como él, jajaaa. Encima de ignorante, vieja conventillera y demas desgracias, es orgulloso.
"Encima eres limitado e ignorante" y despues escribe "sicólogo" JAJA. Un abrazo.
Un abrazo FABrendel, con esta me despido y la verdad también me he reído bastante con este "culo roto" como bien decís. Pero qué ganas de saber qué apariencia tiene y la verdad no creo que toque ni una nota de piano, lo que le encanta es andar de pájaro por toda la red. Todo ese currículum se lo inventó, qué Julliard ni qué mierdas, porque además de esquizofrénico es un mitómano, solo en su mente ocurre tante idiotez.
No solo para discutir sobre Brendel sinó sobre cualquier tema concerniente al Arte en general. Brendel no es ningún paradigma ni mucho menos.
Su "Superioridad" está recoocida por una sarta de "Snobs" semi-impotentes (existen las excepciones de todas formas)que necesitan Viagra a los 20 años. Y también por los alemanes actuales que gustan también del imbécil del Lang Lang. Entonces, ¿Donde está el nivel de apreciación? Ahh y que se deje de estar "Comiendo" cuando toca..
Si vas a criticar, entonces hacelo con argumentos, porque haciendolo gratuita e ignoramentemente no te toma en serio ni tu mama.
Tenes tan poco fundamento lokito, que hasta criticas a aquellos que dedican su vida a criticar interpretaciones, jaja. Hay cada uno en esta pagina... monumentalmente patetico.
Que sorpresa encontrarte aquí so pedazo de pobre diablo real y auténticamente inferior a lo inferior. Los argumentos que podes se pueden esgrimir en un foro serio y no en un lugar en que gente de tu nivel social y cultural puede opinar con sui lenguale procaz.
Si hablas de saber de piano, Se mas de lo que piensas de el.
continuando....Aprovecho un poco de mis vacaciones merecidas para divertirme viendo las payasadas propias de estos lugares, pero realmente no esperaba encontrar a un cretino como tu. Mi mamá no me toma en serio, pero la tuya si. Y tu eres el que habla de respeto? Estás como el ladrón que critica a los que roban....¿?¿?¿ eres un engendro mental con cerebro de basilisco. Debes comenzar por escuchar a pianistas músicos de verdad.
Mi vieja con tu pija se caga de hambre. Ademas sos gay.
Yo te hable con respeto hasta que vos me lo faltaste a mi y a EL maestro. No lo mereces mas, y ademas me divierten tus insultos de nene gay de jardin de infantes. "Engendro mental con cerebro de basilisco" JAJAAAAAAAAA. Sos un plato bolo. Hacete hombre.
Cuando has hablado con respeto ? (Usaré tu lenguaje) . Puta madre que no eres mas cagado de lo que eres porque no estudiaste para ello argentino cabrón. Traté de hacer que arpendes a ser un poco "Gente", pero eres una falla de la naturaleza y ni así te revienten el culo tres negros juntos, te podrán remover el cerebelo (ya que cerebro no tienes)..ah perdón: NO TENÉS....jajaja que huevonazo que puedes ser.
Ahh a propósito te lo facilito, Como verás una de mis nacionalidades es Italiana y la otra.... a ver si "ADIVINÁS".... y hablas de faltarkle el respeto al Maestro "SOS" tan huevón que me lo estás faltando.....YO soy el maestro y no la rana Brendel.
Jajaaa. Segui escribiendo porque sos todo un ejemplo de como debe hablar un homosexual.
Voy a tratar de imitarte aunque sea dificil: puesh que mi nivel zocial es musssssho mas elevado que el tuyo que eres una rata de alcantarilla. Tú, sigue opinando con tu "lenguale" procazzz. Malo!
Esta interpretacion no es la excepcion. Y yo, como pianista y estudiante de Brendel, te puedo asegurar que en lo que respecta al lenguaje y la tecnica del instrumento, esta pieza tiene una interpretacion perfecta. Por supuesto que respeto te agraden mas otras interpretaciones (sobre gustos no hay nada escrito), pero dejame decirte que esta interpretacion esta limpia de errores. saludos
3- Estas siendo riguroso con el lenguaje y no tratas de entender lo que te explico: Por supuesto que no hay nada perfecto, es una forma de decir, si queres... es la interpretacion que menos fallas tiene.
Como te dije... esas interpretaciones (Cziffra, etc.) las podes preferir, sin embargo no son mejores musicalmente hablando. Un abrazo
Arrau wasn't a Liszt pupil. You should really go and study more before making your inconsistent pronouncements. Start by listening to the original by Wagner. That will show you the kind of orchestral sounds that Brendel fails miserably to achieve. The e major chords also comes after the first melodic peak, by the way. It goes without saying that the music must relax before it modulates to the surprise B major.
JAjaj Me? study? jajaj... if i know about something, that is piano, and also that you are a musical ignorant who knows nothing about the language and your playing is the same or even worst than your talking. Your uncalculeted arrogance mixed up with your poor musical taste and lack of knowledge are unendurable and funny at the same time.
No? The first pianist to record all 32 Beethoven´s sonatas 2 times. The pianist with the largest discography ever. The pianist regard as the BEST Beethoven, Mozart, Haydn and Schubert interpreter. The pianist who won uncountable prizes for obviously all those 4 composers including Liszt (oh, but you said he doesn´t know how to play liszt... jaja) and Schumann as well.
Jaja of course is not the best pianist to you... the fool who admires 'Finley'. OMG. Alfred Brendel marked and keeps on marking unprecedented classical-music records... His achievements easily surpasses every other interpreter of the 20th and of course the 21st centuries. And you must care because that states the source of our ignorance.
Se... yo tambien me fijo en google y los leo bobo, asi q para escribir boludeces tomatelas.
PD: estoy hablando con el dueño del circo no con el mono mogolico, asi q vola. Y antes de hablar mal del SEÑOR Brendel para vos, aprende sobre él papelon.
This interpretation is outstanding, from both, a technical and musical standpoint. It has planification, as every piece which has the privilege of being under Brendel´s hands. It is coherent with the language you ignore, it has the precise climax and relax it needs, it is emotive when it needs, it shows agony when it needs, it has every element in its unique position.
Very strange remarks here from som people. Can't you hear that a genius it at work here? Can't you separate your listening from what you see? You see a rigid stiff man. Yes. But you hear a true romantic musician and an inspired performance. That should be obvious to everyone!
I don't 'see' him pounding out the syncopated accompaniment like it's Scott Joplin, or blasting out the tremolos with even metrical precision, or any of the many other things that are truly awful in this. I 'hear' it. His stiff physique fits perfectly with his stiff sound.
Try this performance by an 'amateur'. This man understands tone production. THIS is an 'inspired performance'. Brendel doesn't even approach that standard.
JAjaja... "tone production"?; "amateur";"Brendel doesn´t even approach that standard"; "abysmal"; "blending textures".
Oh my god... just wow... you, a not even mediocre pianist, telling to the greatest Beethoven, Mozart, Haydn and Schubert interpreter (said by experts and anyone with half-musical knowledge) that? Ja Ja you make me laugh unrespectful ignorant
That performance is better said by whom? Comparing an amateurish interpretation to Brendel´s? I think you must listen Brendel´s interpretation carefully and understanding what he does, before making such unrespectful and ignorant statements. The funny thing, however, is that you know Brendel´s reputation, then what are playing at? where does your unfounded hate comes from? Jaja... geniuses, always criticized and uncomprehended by envy-full people.
By me. If you dispute it then tell me WHY, instead of parroting a load of irrelevant statements from others. I don't give an arse about his reputation. This is not good playing. Listen to him pounding out those syncopated chords like ragtime. You think that conveys Wagner's original texture or emotional character in any way? If you judge everything on what you've been told is good by idiot critics, you will miss some of the greatest performances ever.
Fom 3:33 to 3:57 it is an agony that has to be deeper and deeper and he plays it all the same... just horrendous. From 4:35 to 4:41 the mood changes drastically and he plays that sensitive phrase with indifference. (to put it simply... he doesn´t know how the piano should be played... like you). And i got tired of so many many mistakes. Please... study, and don´t make me lose my time listening to this kind of interpretations that does not even deserve attention.
If you feel Wagner's original is something you don't 'need to know' you are a fool and this goes no further. Your criticism's are alarmingly subjective, with no basis at all in general musicianship. Your criticisms go solely on what you are used to. A flat major to E major is not remarkable to you. It is 'erroneous' to make something of such a chromatic shift? You decided there 'must' be a climax where no singer would EVER make one.
Of course it is important to know the originals. Don´t forget we are talking about Brendel, who performs composer´s will, not his. I DON´T need to know Wagner´s original to criticize that amateourish performance, because, as i said before piano playing IS a complete language, and the issue here, is that your pianist doesn´t even know elemental things.
If you DID know Wagner's original, you would know how poorly this performance captures his musical language, with lumpy sounds that no orchestra would desire (or be able) to make. You would also know that the spot at which you criticised Finley for not climaxing is a spot where NOBODY makes a climax (except Brendel in this particular performance). On such a high note, no singer can make a dynamic peak and Wagner did not intend it. Stop putting such blind faith in Brendel's 'intellect'.
The critic was not just only that. Climax and relax is basic therefore there is no point for disscusing if that is not taken into account.
Again... my blind friend, piano playing is a language, and hence there are certain things like that, which are overstepped because if you intend to play the piano you need some basis that needs no introduction.
Of course, because it is played by a genius, the best reputated pianist around the globe, and one of the few unquestionable masters of this instrument you ignore in such a funny and pittyful way.
That´s because you don´t know the language... and, as a comment, everything is subjective, because every opinion comes from a subject, but lets agree to say there is some objectiveness, with which (through musical knowledge) i´m stating critics to your unpresentable pseudo-performer.
From 1:49 to 2:05 he plays whatever he likes with no musical structure and phrase differentiation. Again... at 2:43 comes the climax and he just plays soft again. The phrase form 2:48 to 2:59 must be played in a near-climax way and become softer when approaching the phrase´s end. MIstake at 3:17 (that phrase is of utmost importance). The relaxation he does at 3:22 for example, is disastrouss... that chord must be played forte.
What is unstructured from 1.49 on? That means nothing at all. 'Climax' at 2.43? Are you joking? Do you know the original orchestral version AT ALL? Just because Brendel plays that loudly doesn't make it the right way.
You know nothing... every phrase has its own climax and relaxation, therefore i didn´t mean THE climax of the piece.
Please... i now can really see why you missunderstand Brendel... just because you like things which are deplorable and inferior from both, musical and technical perspectives. Your "fantastic pianist" aviods and doesn´t even know pianistic conventions. (like you, of course).
Have you noticed how inconsistent your comments are. Every phrase indeed has a climax (which must be in context with the whole). Yet you criticise Finley for making a climax at the vocal peak and easing up for the end of the phrase? Interestingly you also criticise him elsewhere for not relaxing at the end of another phrase. You need to think things through more so before criticising on the basis of what you are used to hearing (with total inconsistency).
Do you have any brain limitation or what? Every phrase has a climax, yeah, as i said not as you ignored. I can see you don´t know where a phrase finishes, and that is the point. If i take the phrase´s ending whereever i want then everything is right, and NO! Your non-existent representative does what he likes and does not even recognizes where a phrase begins nor finishes, like you.
You can take perceive phrase endings where you are you used to hearing them if you wish, without performing your analysis or having your own thoughts. However you cannot be so naive as to criticise someone for relaxing on the wonderful change from A flat to E major and complain about his failure to relax elsewhere.
The change of a key is not a sinonim of relaxing, it depends on which part of a phrase the change is or if there is any kind of label the composer introduced to change the piece´s mood.
However, if you like, lets say we accept to relax "on the wonderful change from A flat to E major", it does nothing to make that interpretation any better, buddy
Go and keep on practicing, one day you could become a poor pianist who would be supported by poor listeners like you. And who knows?, maybe you are able to make it into a school and play the "happy birthday" for a kids act.
I enjoyed this performance!
gerardbedecarter 1 year ago
beauiful .............but i swear i thought it was eric morcombe,from a distance
eima42000 1 year ago
Possibly better than with orchesta
astronomo16 2 years ago 5
Could you tell me why you didn't write the time of performance in nthe field right above?
Do you think this data is irrelevant or ppl think it's "old", "old-fashioned" or what?
I cannot undetrtsand why so many ppl omit such very relevant and important data!
Pianda 2 years ago
... :O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O
ajskdlfla 2 years ago
what's the name of the liszt's piece?
hyperkeyboard91 2 years ago
Liebestod, from Wagner's Tristan und Isolde. Give it a hear to Vladimir Horowits's recordinf
ags904 2 years ago 2
ok,thank you;)!
hyperkeyboard91 2 years ago
I haven't heard others play this piece but this is a fabulous performance by Brendel. His playing is so picturesque and vivid. Thanks You Tube.
freeqwerqwer 2 years ago 6
This is entirely a matter of taste. For long time I enjoyed what you called "deep" sound. Berman is certainly very talented and a great pianist. Sound of Horowitz is impossible to describe, but it is the light itself, extremely economical and precise, yet powerful, delicate, orchestral and singing...almost immaterial
marinanarim 2 years ago 2
In Horowitz version one can hear everything. He is on another level from Berman, Berman knew it and acknowledged it. it is obvious from every single recording of the two. However, you have the right to prefer Berman...matter of taste
marinanarim 2 years ago
...to have such tremendous skills as horowitz is a great danger.of course his sound is great but it´s not deep,in the sense to get and to express all the composers intention.therefore i love bermanns:he connects virtuosity and the core of music.he has got immense skills...p l u s.
berlinzerberus 2 years ago
i agree with berlin, but something that i find bothers me is... the showmanship in a lot of horowitz' playing bothers me i can explain in detail but i must go practice this piece in prep for a recital. my god brendel plays the tremolos (in l hand) beautifully.
kliao93 2 years ago
Great hands , but i really prefer the way Berman plays this piece..
To my taste bendel miss something here ..
wonderful technique of course
maalga2008 3 years ago
If you want to know the potential of this piece listen to Horowitz last recording
marinanarim 2 years ago
no,bermann is the best version indeed,listen how differenciated he feels the original orchestral dynamics of wagner.brendel´s piano tone is too bony and even his dynamic spectrum might be rather limited.
berlinzerberus 2 years ago
Agree about Brendel, but Horowitz is unapproachable, peerless
marinanarim 2 years ago
i fear you are not right at all.horowitz doesnt hit the polyphonic structure of the liebestod.one does notice the main part but all the others are not modelled properly and so it sounds too simple and not followed according to the wagner orchestral conception.
berlinzerberus 2 years ago
Brendel is a living LEGEND! EVERYTHING he plays is just SUPERB!!!! It HAS to be. It's none other than ALFRED BRENDEL playing. From Bach to Braham, Mozarella to Mussourgskillini, Shoeman to Shoneburp. And of course this Liebslipshod, just like Petrarcha 800, the masterpiece he played immediately preceding, is just sublime! You don't have to be a piano player to know that?
CHAYAMARO 3 years ago
Of course a YouTube blindfold test is impossible and maybe I would fall through, but pleasurably as Brendel plays, I would prefer Jorge Bolet here. Or Cziffra.
BuckshotLaFunke 3 years ago
totally aggree with yu
maalga2008 3 years ago
do you know whether there is a Bolet recording of this piece?
disturbiapixie 2 years ago
luv brendel so much.....
tchebinai71 3 years ago
Fantastic tonal pallette! The degree of control that Brendel has is staggering, especially in his pianissimo range. I think he is one of, if not THE most orchestral sounding of all the major pianists around today. I prefer the early recording of this because he plays some interesting variants, but this is certainly an exceptional performance that leaves one with a sense of longing.
Lisztianpiano 3 years ago 2
I totally agree. His sound is indeed orchestrated.
There's a short video here on youtube where he briefly (it isn't complete) explains the Wanderer Fantasy. He always has orchestra in mind, and characterisation (piece's personality) as well.
FABrendel 3 years ago
my gosh, i cant find the link to that video? could you send me a link to it please? i have piano competition finals in two days for a trophy and think that could help me have a better more "orchestral" left hand tremolo. thank you!
kliao93 2 years ago
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h t t p : / / w w w . y o u t u b e . c o m / watch?v=ud1X2f2FDaY That's the link. Pretty short video, though. You will find Alfred Brendel's Man and Mask much more interesting and informative... the section where he speaks about characterizing a piece. Good luck!
FABrendel 2 years ago
Bravo Brendel!!
It was a joy to hear him apply his fine sensibilities, and unleash his powers on this piece. I think B is fantastic in Beethoven, Shubert..Haydn. He is equally fine in Liszt - bringing out things that more "romantic" pianist's miss.
4mithrandir 3 years ago 4
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moreover,brendel doesn't care for what people think ,he lives and act what he plays and what he feels, even if you (all) dislike it . If music is something else ...
For me liszt is shit compared to beethov.I have the right to criticize too. here I acted like you all. How is it ?
tchebinai71 3 years ago
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that´s the problem,i agree with u,he didnt care of what people think or say----->especially:improve technique,your sound on the piano and limit yourself to your strengths:in general play the piano much better;)))
kajohada 3 years ago
I don't understand what you mean after especially :What makes you play better ??
( pb of syntax :) )
tchebinai71 3 years ago
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...unsensual!!-------------->compare to Lazar berman version,what a difference:((
wagner in the desert--->d r y!
kajohada 3 years ago
Who is so crazy to vote less than five stars?
EddyMoon64 3 years ago 2
Well I think this one is amazing :-D
soulmach 3 years ago 3
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What a freak.
homerboy488 3 years ago
Shallow tone, percussive and non-legato. Not one of B's better performances.
AulicExclusiva 3 years ago
Yes I am aware of what boyo means in spanish - I am NOT spanish. I have no problem with the word in my language or anyone elses. The tremolos could never be 'in me' and he didn't have parkinsons when this was recorded.
pianoboyo 3 years ago
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hahah LOL
you donñ´t understand boyo. I know he had not parkinsosn. He has stupidity to play those tremolos in that fucking ridicoulus way.
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z666z666z 3 years ago
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It means he looks like a man with parkinson disease, and with a iguana syndrom. Look at his face what he does. haha
mega LOL.
Now.beach time.
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z666z666z 3 years ago
are you able to do something better ? I don't think so ... He's a great pianist,talented, open-minded and you' re worth nothing .You're like a dog in a box .Barkin barkin barkin but you never go out . No power .hehe
tchebinai71 3 years ago
Impressive and thrilling in parts but I wonder whether possibly too clear in others - a rather classical sounding performance...this isnt classical music this is as Romantic and seductive as it gets..I just find it in places too matter of fact..but his tremolos are some of the best controlled on youtube.
pianoboyo 3 years ago 3
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Heyy "pianoboyo" .......do you know what menas "Boyo" in some Spanish speaking countries?......... much better change your nickname.......
Well concerning Brendel tremolos ...well they could be the best only in You Tube maybe...and BTW he plays them with a nice "Parkinson" syndrom........
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z666z666z 3 years ago
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..........grr.....he looks constipated.
z666z666z 3 years ago
very clear playing. impressive given all the accidentals in this piece
54wind 3 years ago 7
Really incredible, just sublime. Forget about this yt person. Don't let other people change how you feel about a performance, they don't own ear or your heart.
pviljoen 3 years ago 5
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hello "pviljoen".
yes ...forget YT person, becuase is on vacation ..............i am worst than him dear.
Do you say: "Just sublime"..........well verybody has their own taste.
For me in this peformance the only "Sublime" is his "Iguana syndrom" when he get a kind of orgasm in his repeated octaves and chords, which BTW he played so stiff and with really ugly sound.
frateramadeus
frateramadeus 3 years ago
oh man! my iguana died of constipation!
jakehohsfield 3 years ago
oh man! my iguana died of constipation!
jakehohsfield 3 years ago
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Heyy "jakeoshehsfelid"...So when you buuy a new Iguana give her a good "Exlax" amount. or put her a glicerine suppositories.....Just what Brendel needs ( i think ), because when he speaks he looks so constipated.
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z666z666z 3 years ago
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ernesto 9845785e499589?¿?)08, fabRENDEL and Gerardaximenez are the same persons with different nicknames. And just one (among many) of the easy ways to probe is their language. people who born in a very low neigborhood, cna´t not change behavior so easily.
ytpiano7
ytpiano7 4 years ago
We were born in low neighborhood, ytpiano7 ? I don't know about the others (we are not the same person), but I was born at some elevation, inland.
What I consider very low neighborhood is, for example, New Orleans, below the level of the sea. Another low level neighborhood is the adorable Venice. I hope you are not from there, because they say it is being eaten up by cucarachas as the rodents flee from the higher waters...
Ernesto7608 4 years ago 4
if they're from a indigant, or "low" as you call it, neighborhood then you must be from the bottom of the sea. you don't know art and you can't spell for crap seeing the myriad of idiotic comments you left about Mr. Brendel
PT4TEA 3 years ago 6
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Hello PT4TEA or "Patea"???
Well it could be in the bottom of the sea when i take a tour diving in vacations.... And use a better imagination jerk, bacause in the botom of the sea you find in same places beautiful thnks. I don´t think the same thing could be happen in Harlem .....unlees you belong there..............And BTW my comments about Brendel coul be idiotic for you, but who cares? if yuo are already an idiot?.......
By dear.........retarded....
ytpiano7
ytpiano7 3 years ago
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well is already probed. Ernesto34920, FABrendel, and gerardoximenez are the same person with different nicknames. Poor human being.
Bye dear....
ytpiano7 4 years ago
haha i just for curiosity came back to this boring video to se some comments, and i realize the company of imbecils is increasing. Now is one more idiot "Gerardo" haha. Is incredible that retarded of FABrendel think people here is stupid to don´t realize Ernesto 8984934, Fabrendel and geradoximenez are the same person? Poor FABrendel you are worst tha idiot. Ahh so sorry i can reply to you in yopur kind of language; i did only to the crap of "Gerardoximenez" but in spanish..to continue..
ytpiano7 4 years ago
continuing... it means not in "Argentinian" language. is unbeliavable...hahaa.. the FABrendel jerk adopted the "English teacher" position and he is not abñe to speak correctly his own language. What a imbecil and idiot....But who is really atoninshing, is no one of them (the same person) until now gave any real musical argument when make the defense of their "Master" hahaa they are just specialists in speak obscenities..like they are.
By jerks... (sorry) ...JERK (is only one with three names)
ytpiano7 4 years ago
None gave any real musical argument, ytpiano7?
We all give the best musical argument of all: we like what whe hear when Brendel plays.
A propósito, si usted realmente toca el piano, eso debe ser en el peor puterío de Sudamerica. Juzgando por su lenguaje...
Ernesto7608 4 years ago 4
The best parts were before he started and after he finished.
smokeandrum 4 years ago 3
Completely agree.
ytpiano7
ytpiano7 4 years ago
Brendel should have performed this before he was embalmed.
musicrecording 4 years ago 4
His playing at 2:50 reminds me of his playing of the circle of fifths episode in the Mozart sonata K. 332. Weird.
mrcatalan3 4 years ago 3
Brendel is a magician. He can make Liszt sound like Bruckner. (Vomits)
mrcatalan3 4 years ago 4
He always was a BLUFF.
ytpiano7
ytpiano7 4 years ago
I spent more then half an hour listnig to this guy and I´m cofused. I thing that he should rather play organ or maby sell antics.
swojnicz 4 years ago 4
This feels like an old-man preparing for his date by carefully combing his hair over and wax-concrete-spraying it into place. After that,a quick run to the kitchen to down a elephant size dose of Viagra...before
leaving the retirement home and tripping
over the doorstop...
smithsherman 4 years ago 5
you guys are all idiots
weenosu 4 years ago
(cont.) From 5.56 to 6.10 there is an oboe line in Wagner's original; Brendel plays the piano version absolutely literally and therefore fails to bring this out.
alkanliszt 4 years ago
The Jonathan Tsay Liebestod is also much better than this. I simply can't agree with several aspects of this interpretation. To list a xouple of points: Brendel's manifest failure to represent the melodic line in many places. The block chords from 2.50 are atrocious playing - the melodic line lies in the upper treble and there is no distinction between it and the rest of the chord.
alkanliszt 4 years ago
He does the same thing in his Schubert and Schumann. He seems only to care about the harmonic movement of a piece and misses the point. I think he's a lousy pianist.
mrcatalan3 4 years ago 2
Brendel did a great job for the Liszt-revival. But honestly, his sound, temperament and approach are better suited for the Viennese Classics, especially Schubert.
Pianowrestler 4 years ago
You should say : For a dry Schubert maybe.
ytpiano7
ytpiano7 4 years ago
Not even for that. He is dry as the Sahara desert.
You want to listen great Schubert? Try to find Agustín Anievas Schubert recordings. Is unbelievable. Much better than any german or similar.
ytpiano7
ytpiano7 4 years ago
Okay,Fab...I understand now.You have an Altar and lacking a photo of God,you have substituted Brendel's
bust for the Godhead.I bow and leave you with your
fundamentalist-Brendelaism.
smithsherman 4 years ago
Jaja, is not like that my friend. Cziffra1980 does nothing but criticize this unquestionable master of the piano. He is not against this piece but to almost any piece Brendel plays. Therefore i´m just making clear his ignorance and lack of respect to a genius, when he is nothing but a dreadful piano analyzer.
FABrendel 4 years ago
Muy Qerido Fab,Yo no soy en contra de Brendel.
Me encanta su Schubert.Con todo respeto,Si le
gustara Brendel in Liszt,lo accepto y no
quiero offenderle.Pero YO,despues dehaber oido
100+ anos de tocar Liszt,no amo a eso!
Que tengais buena noche.Smith
smithsherman 4 years ago
Me alegra, smithsherman, que aprecies las interpretaciones de Alfred. El es para mi el mejor interprete de todos los tiempos, y sin duda, como bien remarcaste, es mi idolo. Sin embargo mi idolatria, no se basa en cosas abstractas que puedan discutirse, sino que esta sustentada por todos sus logros como pianista y porque considero que ademas de usar sus habilidades fisicas tambien usa su cabeza, proponiendo una nueva perspectiva y aproximacion a cómo las piezas deben ser interpretadas.
FABrendel 4 years ago
Muy Querido Desconocido, El Asunto de idolatria mental-
mente es una cosa muy distinto de apreciar.A apreciar
algo justamente es admirar algo como maravillosa
con todo sus puntos debiles y fuertes.Idolatria
es a a rebajar todo a lo fantastico y amarlo sin
evaluarlo.Y sabeis?...Es vuestro derecho a decidir
cuandoquiera y para quienquiera que quieres hacerlo.
smithsherman 4 years ago
Querido smithsherman: 1- Yo no dije q vos idolatres a Brendel, sino que me alegra puedas apreciar sus interpretaciones. El que lo "idolatra" soy yo, aunque no de una manera enfermiza, sino mas como diciendo que lo admiro por sus logros e ideas.
FABrendel 4 years ago
Muy querido,No le digo a os,que sois enfermo.Me doy
cuenta que paraos los conceptos interpretes de Brendel en ese momento de vuestra vida son "perfectos"
Le agradezco a os que apreciaseis mi disfruto
de su tocar de Schubert.Tiempo a acostarme!
smithsherman 4 years ago
El mejor intérprete de todos los tiempos? jaja.
Por favor ..¿Estás hablando en serio o qué?
Su "Nueva perspectiva" viene de su limitación instrumental y su carencia de elementos dinámicos, su falta de imaginación y su técnica mediocre. Su interpretaciones son tan cálidas como un Verano en la Antártida.
ytpiano7
ytpiano7 4 years ago
Si vas a manifestar tu punto de vista entonces hacelo educadamente y con respeto porque asi das pena.
Brendel es sin duda el mejor interprete de todos los tiempos para mi, y para una gran mayoria de gente que sabe de piano.
Si yo fuera el unico que lo dice, entonces puede que estuviere loco, pero como estoy dentro de la mayoria y encima puedo explicar donde radica pianisticamente su superioridad, entonces veo que te falta conocimiento.
FABrendel 4 years ago
ENTONCES EXPLÍCALA. (no se dice explicÁla, por si acaso)Estaré esperando.
ytpiano7
ytpiano7 4 years ago
Explicarle a un gallego boludo como vos algo tan complicado es como explicarle a corky la fisica de Hawking. Realmente no se puede.
FABrendel 4 years ago
No puedes explicar nada de ello, porque no lo "Entendés"...(en tu idioma) jajaja .
A ver "Decime"...¿Que SABÉS sobre el peso del cuerpo sobre el teclado? A ver si "Podés explicarlo ché...."
ytpiano7
ytpiano7 4 years ago
Finish of discussions with FABrendel with me. If he wants to continuing doing his nosense, he can do it. I will not give any answer to him anymore, because is not worth to get into his very low level in music and specially in vulgarity. he is more than ordinary and really doesn´t deserve to be considered seriously. My discussion with him was a kind of experiment (to continue)
ytpiano7 4 years ago
Continuing....to realize how people can go so low in a music forum. Is a real contradiction and nonsense. I really took him as the laboratory rat. I probe already to some friends how some people can loose the self control when somebody "Atack" their idols.
My apologies to whom could be disturbed with those sterile discusions.
ytpiano7
ytpiano7 4 years ago
To be clear with the idea of the weight of body on the keyboard, i just say it is impopssible because the body weight is on the bench. That´s teh reason in wrong technique aproach when pianists play with thw bench so high trying to "Put the body weight" on the piano.........a think which is impossible and is against physics. They do in a virtual way PUSHING and pushing, and of course they play very stiff and contacted.
ytpiano7
ytpiano7 4 years ago
It seems that you are a perfect ignorant in physics too, ytpiano7.
The only reason a pianist can slowly push down a key is because he/she has body weight (unless the pianist is tied to the piano).
The downward force we make on the keyboard is taken away from the body weight held mostly by the bench.
Ernesto7608 4 years ago 2
Una pregunta: Para que toca el Brendel sentado en una silla, si por su posición sería mejor que tocase parado.......y no lo niegues. Se objetivo y "ObservÁlo" (en tu idioma).......realmente parece una rana de acuario tocando el piano.
ytpiano7
ytpiano7 4 years ago
Sos tan burro que ni siquiera sabes que cada uno toca como le queda mas comodo. La tecnica de Brendel es impecable, y te lo digo en serio.
Una rana parece Horowitz, no Brendel, y sin embargo no debe criticarse su tecnica. En el conservatorio te enseñan una tecnica general y despues, teniendo esa base, cada uno toca como le convenga.
PD: Que insultos de gay que haces. Dan lastima esas palabras de nene tonto.
FABrendel 4 years ago
Ja ja ja. You compare the Brendel´s "Impecable technique" haha jajaja with the real giant Horowitz tecnique?
Are you crazy, argentino with italian pretensions? jaja
ytpiano7
ytpiano7 4 years ago
Que prtencioso que eres so burro con disfraz de letrado.
mejor imtérprete ? Fundamenta. A que le llamas "Logros como pianista"? Cuales son sus habilidades físicas ? Sabes algo de técnica pianística?. Y como "Deben ser interpretadas las piezas"? so pedazo de creído y atorrante.
ytpiano7
ytpiano7 4 years ago
A tener por lejos la discografia mas extensa de todos los artistas. A tener mas premios que cualquiera sobre Beethoven, Mozart, Schubert, Haydn e incluso Liszt. A ser miembro honorario de la Philarmonica de Vienna (privilegio que solo tuvieron Sauer y Backhaus).
A ser considerado una eminencia por absolutamente cualquier critico de musica.
A ser el primer pianista en grabar el ciclo de las sonatas de Beethoven completo, etc, etc etc. Por ahi ganaste vos mas premios, jajaa.
FABrendel 4 years ago
Por eso digo, que antes de criticar una interpretacion de Brendel hay que estar instruido y ser cuidadoso, porque sus aproximaciones a una pieza clasica, conllevan detalles que el oyente debe conocer para estar en posicion de criticar. (esto sucede mas que nada con Liszt ya que en lo que respecta a la escuela vienesa y schubert, es reconocida su superioridad). Se me hace dificil poner en pocas palabras algo tan complicado a veces de hacer entender, pero en caso de quererlo podemos discutirlo.
FABrendel 4 years ago
Muy Querido,Si os hubiese bien entendido,"es necesario
a estar instruido ...antes de critcar."Es una cosa de la fe entre os y yo,porque no puedo tocar paraos
en ese momento,para imponeros,con quien musicalmente
hablais.Soy un maestro de la guitarra.Cada dia toco
piezas muy dificiles y casi perfectos tecnicamente
como ese.He pasado la major parte de mi vida en la
musica.Conozco ese repertoire muy bien,y entiendo
inmediatamente lo cual anda ante de mis orejas.
smithsherman 4 years ago
2- Si sos un maestro de la guitarra, sabras de musica en general y bastante de interpretaciones sobre dicho instrumento. Sin embargo, eso no quiere decir q sepas de piano, que es un intrumento diferente y con bastante mas sonoridad, que consecuentemente se interpreta y ejecuta de muy distinta manera. Analogamente, seria como si yo tratara de enseñarte a vos como tocar guitarra cuando yo toco el piano, y evidentemente no es mi terreno.
FABrendel 4 years ago
Muy Querido,Si Quieres pensar asi,lo acceptare´,pero
no acordare´.Entediendo la musica no tiene nada que ver con los dedos y la tecnica fisica.Yo siempre
accepto criticos de non-guitarristas.Ademas,mis
profesores eran pianistas,y clavecinistas.Tambien
he pasado miles de horas escuchando piano-grabaciones
de los ultimos cien años.Saludos
smithsherman 4 years ago
Amigo smithsherman... uno puede saber de musica, pero el que sabe los pequeños detalles de un instrumento es quien interpreta dicho instrumento. Yo puedo hacer una critica sobre otro instrumento, pero hablar con propiedad y arguementos solamente de uno, que es el piano y es del que yo se. Sino, la musica seria muy general y poco especializada, y la especializacion, es necesaria para lograr un mayor perfeccionamiento.
FABrendel 4 years ago
Como tocarás el piano ???. Si la técnica de Brendel que es dura y en lugar de dejar que el peso por gravedad haga gran parte del trabajo y no el estar empujando sobre el teclado como un imbécil, te parece "Superior" , como será tu idea de lo "Inferior". Cambia de instrumento mejor, o cambia de profesor. Por lo pronto a mí ni me pidas que te enseñe. En tu país hay varios alumnos que estudiaron con Scaramuzza, a ver si alguno de ellos te recosntruye.
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ytpiano7 4 years ago
Vos que sos un gallego ignorante y don nadie ¿te pones a criticar a BRENDEL? lee bien ¿Brendel? Sos comico. Anda a hablarle de la gravedad a la poblacion gay de tu pais, osea a todos. Salame, das pena.
Mi profesor fue Antonio de Racco infeliz, no tenes ni idea de con quien hablas.
FABrendel 4 years ago
Antonio de Racco es un cagado. Yo lo escuché una vez tocar un recital en un país Sud Americano, para ser preciso el año 84. Me recuerdo que su plato de fondo fue la 3era Balada de Chopin tocada hasta el reculo. Si ese es tu nivel, realmente pobrecito. No te culpo de ser como eres. Recuerdo que para hacer los acordes alternados con notas sueltas del sección del medio movía medio cuerpo y parecía un bufón.continua
ytpiano7
ytpiano7 4 years ago
Ahora entiendo porque tipos como Brendel pueden ser unos genios para tí. Racco debe haber sido uno de los peores alumnos de Scaramuzza y digo eso porque recuerdo que en su curriculum decía que había estudiado con el. Debe haber sido cuando Scaramuzza ya estaba viejo y cagado ( siempre usando tu estilo grosero para hacerte honor).çcontinua...
ytpiano7 4 years ago
te voy a dar tregua. No tienes la culpa si te han dado un horizonte tan limitado y pobre del pianismo en general. Yo estudié luego de graduarme en mi 2do país, en Italia en Roma y luego pasé por Mannes College y Juilliard en N.Y. ty ni te digo mejor con quienes estudie´porque te caes de culo. Por eso es que ya no voy a discutir contigo sobre piano. No tienes nivel. Chau.
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ytpiano7 4 years ago
Jajaj que ingenuo que sos traga leche. Lo unico de lo que sabes hablar es de que "cuando toca mueve todo el cuerpo" y "Scaramuzza"... ¿no podias ser mas tonto? Te estas pasando ya. ¿Cuantas veces le chupaste la pija a Scaramuzza? jajja.
¿Con quieeen estudiaste vos negro pobre?
No te conoce nadie BOLUDOOO, nadie, ni tu familia de homosexuales te conoce.
Si estudiaste en Julliard entonces sos un fracasado. Hacete prostituta como tu vieja... asi vas a ser popular hasta las bolas JAJAAA.
FABrendel 4 years ago
Este ytpiano7 si que es un chupa-ortos traga vergas, que cabrón más necio, tiene una fijación con Brendel, seguramente quería que en Julliard le dieran por el culo y no consiguió a nadie entonces se ensañó con el primero que se le ocurrió...
gerardoximenez 4 years ago
Jajaja, ¿viste? Es terrible este chabon. Mira que no soy de insultar, pero este individuo tan ignorante y maleducado (no por lo que me diga a mi, sino por faltarle el respeto a alguien como Alfred) merece la humillacion.
ENcima de todo, el infeliz tiene 53 años, ¿podes creerlo? Mira cualquier video de Brendel, vas a ver que deja sus estupidos comentarios en cada uno. Seguro que ni ve los videos y no debe tocar nada mas que el feliz cumpleaños. Saludos Gerardo.
FABrendel 4 years ago
Saludos a vos, es increíble lo que foros de este tipo atraen, en vez de ser un lugar para aprender, para expresar diferentes puntos de vista y para ver lo que de otra manera sería imposible (no tengo tanto dinero para comprar DVD's), se ha convertido en nido de enfermos mentales que se ensañan...así fue con un foro de Jaco Pastorius (me gusta el jazz), había un tipo idéntico a este ytpiano7 que se burlaba hasta de la terrible muerte que tuvo. En fin, difrutemos de lo bueno. Un abrazo.
gerardoximenez 4 years ago
Viste, se trastornó ytpiano7. Ahora ve personajes que lo acosan por todo lado. Es un esquizofrénico, porqué no se tragará una caja completa de Risperdal para que deje de joder. Ya que ytpiano7 es tan macho insultando a la madre de todos por acá ¿saben porqué está así? porque su puto padre cogió tanta prostituta que le pegó la sífilis a su madre, el puto nació chingado. Mucha bola le hemos dado a este pajero de mierda. No conozco a FABrendel ni a Ernesto 8984934, pero respeto sus comentarios.
gerardoximenez 4 years ago
Uhmm "Sabés" a quien le dieron en el culo ....pero no en Juilliard ? a la puta de tu madre y al maricón de tu padre le dieron hasta por la uretra...........chau concha tu madre. ahh.......y sigue jodiendo , vas a ver lo que te espera y ahí me concerás bien así que ándala parando de una vez antes que te cague y se como hacerlo malparido.
ytpiano7 4 years ago
No dudo que tanto tu madre como tu padre fueron excelentes personas, pero una persona como vos parece que la cagaron en vez de parirla, y les daría vergüenza ver como se te sale toda la educación que ciertamente no la aprendiste de ellos ¿porqué no te buscás un trabajo huevón, y a quién creés que estás amenazando ancianete de mierda? yo no me desgasto hablando mierda por tooooda youtube, que de Uchida, que de Brendel, sos una vieja de patio, loca rematada andá a buscar verga traga pingas.
gerardoximenez 4 years ago
Gracis por tu elevado párrafo CONCHA DE TU MADRE. Tendrás noticias.
Ahh trabajo tengo .......mas bien posiblemente alguna vez me pedirás que te de trabajo. "No tenés" idea quien soy. Realmente eres bruto para jugar con fuego. Por aquí me verás muy poco porque realmente viendo a tu Dios se aprende lo que no se debe hacer en el piano y eso ya lo se desde hace muchos años. Encima eres limitado e ignorante. pobre diablo, al igual que tus otras personalidades Fabrendel y Ernensto. ve al sicólogo.
ytpiano7 4 years ago
Jaja... dejalo Gerardo, no vale la pena hablar con esa lacra. Por otro lado, tus comentarios me hicieron reir mucho. Este culo roto de ytpiano7 sigue sin darse cuenta que esta haciendo mas que el ridiculo. Es tan salame que hasta piensa que somos la misma persona porque nadie piensa como él, jajaaa. Encima de ignorante, vieja conventillera y demas desgracias, es orgulloso.
"Encima eres limitado e ignorante" y despues escribe "sicólogo" JAJA. Un abrazo.
FABrendel 4 years ago 3
Un abrazo FABrendel, con esta me despido y la verdad también me he reído bastante con este "culo roto" como bien decís. Pero qué ganas de saber qué apariencia tiene y la verdad no creo que toque ni una nota de piano, lo que le encanta es andar de pájaro por toda la red. Todo ese currículum se lo inventó, qué Julliard ni qué mierdas, porque además de esquizofrénico es un mitómano, solo en su mente ocurre tante idiotez.
gerardoximenez 4 years ago 2
No solo para discutir sobre Brendel sinó sobre cualquier tema concerniente al Arte en general. Brendel no es ningún paradigma ni mucho menos.
Su "Superioridad" está recoocida por una sarta de "Snobs" semi-impotentes (existen las excepciones de todas formas)que necesitan Viagra a los 20 años. Y también por los alemanes actuales que gustan también del imbécil del Lang Lang. Entonces, ¿Donde está el nivel de apreciación? Ahh y que se deje de estar "Comiendo" cuando toca..
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ytpiano7 4 years ago
Si vas a criticar, entonces hacelo con argumentos, porque haciendolo gratuita e ignoramentemente no te toma en serio ni tu mama.
Tenes tan poco fundamento lokito, que hasta criticas a aquellos que dedican su vida a criticar interpretaciones, jaja. Hay cada uno en esta pagina... monumentalmente patetico.
FABrendel 4 years ago
Que sorpresa encontrarte aquí so pedazo de pobre diablo real y auténticamente inferior a lo inferior. Los argumentos que podes se pueden esgrimir en un foro serio y no en un lugar en que gente de tu nivel social y cultural puede opinar con sui lenguale procaz.
Si hablas de saber de piano, Se mas de lo que piensas de el.
ytpiano7 4 years ago
continuando....Aprovecho un poco de mis vacaciones merecidas para divertirme viendo las payasadas propias de estos lugares, pero realmente no esperaba encontrar a un cretino como tu. Mi mamá no me toma en serio, pero la tuya si. Y tu eres el que habla de respeto? Estás como el ladrón que critica a los que roban....¿?¿?¿ eres un engendro mental con cerebro de basilisco. Debes comenzar por escuchar a pianistas músicos de verdad.
ytpiano7 4 years ago
Mi vieja con tu pija se caga de hambre. Ademas sos gay.
Yo te hable con respeto hasta que vos me lo faltaste a mi y a EL maestro. No lo mereces mas, y ademas me divierten tus insultos de nene gay de jardin de infantes. "Engendro mental con cerebro de basilisco" JAJAAAAAAAAA. Sos un plato bolo. Hacete hombre.
FABrendel 4 years ago
Cuando has hablado con respeto ? (Usaré tu lenguaje) . Puta madre que no eres mas cagado de lo que eres porque no estudiaste para ello argentino cabrón. Traté de hacer que arpendes a ser un poco "Gente", pero eres una falla de la naturaleza y ni así te revienten el culo tres negros juntos, te podrán remover el cerebelo (ya que cerebro no tienes)..ah perdón: NO TENÉS....jajaja que huevonazo que puedes ser.
ytpiano7 4 years ago
Ahh a propósito te lo facilito, Como verás una de mis nacionalidades es Italiana y la otra.... a ver si "ADIVINÁS".... y hablas de faltarkle el respeto al Maestro "SOS" tan huevón que me lo estás faltando.....YO soy el maestro y no la rana Brendel.
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ytpiano7 4 years ago
Jajaaa. Segui escribiendo porque sos todo un ejemplo de como debe hablar un homosexual.
Voy a tratar de imitarte aunque sea dificil: puesh que mi nivel zocial es musssssho mas elevado que el tuyo que eres una rata de alcantarilla. Tú, sigue opinando con tu "lenguale" procazzz. Malo!
Jajaja que gay que sos gallego.
FABrendel 4 years ago
Ante de terminar me olvidaba de decirte que no soy gay, al menos eso no opinaba tu vieja.
ytpiano7
ytpiano7 4 years ago
That you are not one of them is a big compliment for all gays, ytpiano7.
Ernesto7608 4 years ago
This fellow is out of his element in this repertoire.
It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that.
DGaultier1670 4 years ago 2
It's clear that you haven't heard Liszt's students
play this.When you have heard them,let me know!
smithsherman 4 years ago
1-I´m not writing to you, so shut up. However, the part of ignorance can be applied to the lack of musical education you have.
2-Of course i´ve heard Claudio Arrau, for example, live, and i, unlike your know-nothing comment, have respect for those renamed pianists.
3-Go out and see if its raining
FABrendel 4 years ago
My Dear,Claudio Arrau has nothing to do with the
students of Liszt...You're about 60 years off target.
smithsherman 4 years ago
Claudio Arrau is a student of a Liszt´s student therefore he quite knows his teaching
FABrendel 4 years ago
That you think Arrau knows Liszt's teaching it means you haven't heard Liszt's students.His playing shows he knows it no more than you.
smithsherman 4 years ago
Jaja no? yes you are right... Aristoteles didn´t know Socrate´s teachings... wow... there are so many unbrained people here.
FABrendel 4 years ago
Esta interpretacion no es la excepcion. Y yo, como pianista y estudiante de Brendel, te puedo asegurar que en lo que respecta al lenguaje y la tecnica del instrumento, esta pieza tiene una interpretacion perfecta. Por supuesto que respeto te agraden mas otras interpretaciones (sobre gustos no hay nada escrito), pero dejame decirte que esta interpretacion esta limpia de errores. saludos
FABrendel 4 years ago
Muy Querido, No hay ninguna interpretacion perfecta.
Conoceis Champaña?Si fuese la musica de Liszt Champaña,la interpretacion de Brendel fuese Seco
y deja la lingua rapidamente.Prefiero mi Champaña
rotundo y que quede largamente en la boca.Y Liszt
toco´ su musica asi.Ejemplos de como Liszt toco´
son los videos aqui de Cziffra y Nyiregyhazi en
Youtube.Saludos
smithsherman 4 years ago
3- Estas siendo riguroso con el lenguaje y no tratas de entender lo que te explico: Por supuesto que no hay nada perfecto, es una forma de decir, si queres... es la interpretacion que menos fallas tiene.
Como te dije... esas interpretaciones (Cziffra, etc.) las podes preferir, sin embargo no son mejores musicalmente hablando. Un abrazo
FABrendel 4 years ago
Muy Estimado Desconocido,Español es una alegria
parami.PERO no es la idioma mia.Intiento muy
atentamente a mostraros cortes por escribir asi.
Podeis espressaros mas rigurosamente?Yo escucho todo
los instrumentos y personas asi´.Si quisieseis
considerar tocando la musica de Liszt como Liszt
peor musicamente,lo acceptare´.Abrazos
smithsherman 4 years ago
Jaja si, disculpame... entendes mejor el ingles?
FABrendel 4 years ago
Arrau wasn't a Liszt pupil. You should really go and study more before making your inconsistent pronouncements. Start by listening to the original by Wagner. That will show you the kind of orchestral sounds that Brendel fails miserably to achieve. The e major chords also comes after the first melodic peak, by the way. It goes without saying that the music must relax before it modulates to the surprise B major.
cziffra1980 4 years ago
JAjaj Me? study? jajaj... if i know about something, that is piano, and also that you are a musical ignorant who knows nothing about the language and your playing is the same or even worst than your talking. Your uncalculeted arrogance mixed up with your poor musical taste and lack of knowledge are unendurable and funny at the same time.
FABrendel 4 years ago
Enjoy your blissful ignorance. Perhaps one day you'll hear the glory of Wagner's masterpiece in its true form and realise what is missing here.
cziffra1980 4 years ago
Jaja... maybe you realize you need to work on your knowledge and understand that what you are actually listening to is more than what you derserve.
And... who is criticizing one of the best, if not the best pianist of the world? Hence who is wrong?
FABrendel 4 years ago
Not me. Brendel isn't even close to being the 'best' pianist in the world.
cziffra1980 4 years ago
No? The first pianist to record all 32 Beethoven´s sonatas 2 times. The pianist with the largest discography ever. The pianist regard as the BEST Beethoven, Mozart, Haydn and Schubert interpreter. The pianist who won uncountable prizes for obviously all those 4 composers including Liszt (oh, but you said he doesn´t know how to play liszt... jaja) and Schumann as well.
FABrendel 4 years ago
I don't care if he recorded the complete piano repetoire twice. He isn't the best pianist.
cziffra1980 4 years ago
Jaja of course is not the best pianist to you... the fool who admires 'Finley'. OMG. Alfred Brendel marked and keeps on marking unprecedented classical-music records... His achievements easily surpasses every other interpreter of the 20th and of course the 21st centuries. And you must care because that states the source of our ignorance.
FABrendel 4 years ago
"Brendel isn´t even close of being the best pianist in the world". No... sure, you are the best, or maybe the mediocre pianists you praise.
FABrendel 4 years ago
Muy Queridissimo Hijo, Alumnos de Liszt...D'Albert,Sauer,Rosenthal,
Essipova,Stavenhagen,Pachmann etc...anda y escucha
smithsherman 4 years ago
Se... yo tambien me fijo en google y los leo bobo, asi q para escribir boludeces tomatelas.
PD: estoy hablando con el dueño del circo no con el mono mogolico, asi q vola. Y antes de hablar mal del SEÑOR Brendel para vos, aprende sobre él papelon.
FABrendel 4 years ago
From the 1st note he plays it like Robert Wooley
on a Cristafori playing J.C.Bach.Everything is wrong
here.His sound,his state of mind,his phrasing,his
lack of singing,his metronomic phrasing.
Give me Kentucky Fried Chicken...at least it's
edible.
smithsherman 4 years ago
This interpretation is outstanding, from both, a technical and musical standpoint. It has planification, as every piece which has the privilege of being under Brendel´s hands. It is coherent with the language you ignore, it has the precise climax and relax it needs, it is emotive when it needs, it shows agony when it needs, it has every element in its unique position.
FABrendel 4 years ago
Very strange remarks here from som people. Can't you hear that a genius it at work here? Can't you separate your listening from what you see? You see a rigid stiff man. Yes. But you hear a true romantic musician and an inspired performance. That should be obvious to everyone!
Gorowitz 4 years ago
I don't 'see' him pounding out the syncopated accompaniment like it's Scott Joplin, or blasting out the tremolos with even metrical precision, or any of the many other things that are truly awful in this. I 'hear' it. His stiff physique fits perfectly with his stiff sound.
cziffra1980 4 years ago
youtube (add dot com here)/watch?v=Qesm8QgQUBw
Try this performance by an 'amateur'. This man understands tone production. THIS is an 'inspired performance'. Brendel doesn't even approach that standard.
cziffra1980 4 years ago
JAjaja... "tone production"?; "amateur";"Brendel doesn´t even approach that standard"; "abysmal"; "blending textures".
Oh my god... just wow... you, a not even mediocre pianist, telling to the greatest Beethoven, Mozart, Haydn and Schubert interpreter (said by experts and anyone with half-musical knowledge) that? Ja Ja you make me laugh unrespectful ignorant
FABrendel 4 years ago
Listen to the performance I mentioned, not his reputation. The performance is considerably better than this.
cziffra1980 4 years ago
That performance is better said by whom? Comparing an amateurish interpretation to Brendel´s? I think you must listen Brendel´s interpretation carefully and understanding what he does, before making such unrespectful and ignorant statements. The funny thing, however, is that you know Brendel´s reputation, then what are playing at? where does your unfounded hate comes from? Jaja... geniuses, always criticized and uncomprehended by envy-full people.
FABrendel 4 years ago
By me. If you dispute it then tell me WHY, instead of parroting a load of irrelevant statements from others. I don't give an arse about his reputation. This is not good playing. Listen to him pounding out those syncopated chords like ragtime. You think that conveys Wagner's original texture or emotional character in any way? If you judge everything on what you've been told is good by idiot critics, you will miss some of the greatest performances ever.
cziffra1980 4 years ago
Fom 3:33 to 3:57 it is an agony that has to be deeper and deeper and he plays it all the same... just horrendous. From 4:35 to 4:41 the mood changes drastically and he plays that sensitive phrase with indifference. (to put it simply... he doesn´t know how the piano should be played... like you). And i got tired of so many many mistakes. Please... study, and don´t make me lose my time listening to this kind of interpretations that does not even deserve attention.
FABrendel 4 years ago
Oh and i forgot i don´t need to know "the original orchestral version AT ALL"... because piano playing is like a language, it is universal.
FABrendel 4 years ago
If you feel Wagner's original is something you don't 'need to know' you are a fool and this goes no further. Your criticism's are alarmingly subjective, with no basis at all in general musicianship. Your criticisms go solely on what you are used to. A flat major to E major is not remarkable to you. It is 'erroneous' to make something of such a chromatic shift? You decided there 'must' be a climax where no singer would EVER make one.
cziffra1980 4 years ago
Of course it is important to know the originals. Don´t forget we are talking about Brendel, who performs composer´s will, not his. I DON´T need to know Wagner´s original to criticize that amateourish performance, because, as i said before piano playing IS a complete language, and the issue here, is that your pianist doesn´t even know elemental things.
FABrendel 4 years ago
If you DID know Wagner's original, you would know how poorly this performance captures his musical language, with lumpy sounds that no orchestra would desire (or be able) to make. You would also know that the spot at which you criticised Finley for not climaxing is a spot where NOBODY makes a climax (except Brendel in this particular performance). On such a high note, no singer can make a dynamic peak and Wagner did not intend it. Stop putting such blind faith in Brendel's 'intellect'.
cziffra1980 4 years ago
The critic was not just only that. Climax and relax is basic therefore there is no point for disscusing if that is not taken into account.
Again... my blind friend, piano playing is a language, and hence there are certain things like that, which are overstepped because if you intend to play the piano you need some basis that needs no introduction.
FABrendel 4 years ago
Of course, because it is played by a genius, the best reputated pianist around the globe, and one of the few unquestionable masters of this instrument you ignore in such a funny and pittyful way.
FABrendel 4 years ago
That´s because you don´t know the language... and, as a comment, everything is subjective, because every opinion comes from a subject, but lets agree to say there is some objectiveness, with which (through musical knowledge) i´m stating critics to your unpresentable pseudo-performer.
FABrendel 4 years ago
From 1:49 to 2:05 he plays whatever he likes with no musical structure and phrase differentiation. Again... at 2:43 comes the climax and he just plays soft again. The phrase form 2:48 to 2:59 must be played in a near-climax way and become softer when approaching the phrase´s end. MIstake at 3:17 (that phrase is of utmost importance). The relaxation he does at 3:22 for example, is disastrouss... that chord must be played forte.
FABrendel 4 years ago
What is unstructured from 1.49 on? That means nothing at all. 'Climax' at 2.43? Are you joking? Do you know the original orchestral version AT ALL? Just because Brendel plays that loudly doesn't make it the right way.
cziffra1980 4 years ago
You know nothing... every phrase has its own climax and relaxation, therefore i didn´t mean THE climax of the piece.
Please... i now can really see why you missunderstand Brendel... just because you like things which are deplorable and inferior from both, musical and technical perspectives. Your "fantastic pianist" aviods and doesn´t even know pianistic conventions. (like you, of course).
FABrendel 4 years ago
Have you noticed how inconsistent your comments are. Every phrase indeed has a climax (which must be in context with the whole). Yet you criticise Finley for making a climax at the vocal peak and easing up for the end of the phrase? Interestingly you also criticise him elsewhere for not relaxing at the end of another phrase. You need to think things through more so before criticising on the basis of what you are used to hearing (with total inconsistency).
cziffra1980 4 years ago
Do you have any brain limitation or what? Every phrase has a climax, yeah, as i said not as you ignored. I can see you don´t know where a phrase finishes, and that is the point. If i take the phrase´s ending whereever i want then everything is right, and NO! Your non-existent representative does what he likes and does not even recognizes where a phrase begins nor finishes, like you.
FABrendel 4 years ago
You can take perceive phrase endings where you are you used to hearing them if you wish, without performing your analysis or having your own thoughts. However you cannot be so naive as to criticise someone for relaxing on the wonderful change from A flat to E major and complain about his failure to relax elsewhere.
cziffra1980 4 years ago
The change of a key is not a sinonim of relaxing, it depends on which part of a phrase the change is or if there is any kind of label the composer introduced to change the piece´s mood.
However, if you like, lets say we accept to relax "on the wonderful change from A flat to E major", it does nothing to make that interpretation any better, buddy
FABrendel 4 years ago
Go and keep on practicing, one day you could become a poor pianist who would be supported by poor listeners like you. And who knows?, maybe you are able to make it into a school and play the "happy birthday" for a kids act.
FABrendel 4 years ago