oh man I just lost a lot of respect for you after seeing this pro tax-and-spend faulty [Marxist/Keynesian] [wealth redistribution/centralized economic planning] video. We don't have a revenue problem, we have a spending problem. I wouldn't cut the Weather Service but instead of raising taxes and increasing the size of government I'd cut the militarism. Its time to bring our troops home saving billions of dollars. And not just from the Middle East, but from Europe and Asia and everywhere
You can admit you were wrong about 9/11 Tom. Us genuine and or not duped members of the anti-neocon,anti-zionist and anti-war crowds will forgive you. Because again there are only 2 ways of explaining someone who both promotes the 9/11 lies and attacks those who do not. Useuful idiot. Or controlled opposition. Which one are you Tom? You lie about 9/11 just like the corporate/zionist owned media and government does. You push the same lies that they do.
Do you love Israel? Do you love American foreign policy? Do you love war in general? Then by all means continue to promote the obvious 9/11 lies and atttack those that do not accept those lies. The 9/11 lies is their best propaganda to this day. We know what you're up to Tom. All of this will be saved for posterity. The disinfo tools and controlled ops will be exposed just like the real 9/11 perps(Zakheim,Silverstein,Lowy,Cheney etc.) will.
@newjack31622, do you realize that Jim Hoffman tries to explain away the bowing exterior columns as an "optical illusion"? That is the lengths that most cited "truth scientists" goes to to try to explain away the evidence of failing structural integrity well before the collapses. His excuse of "hot air" is so far fetched it is absurd to the extreme! And he said video would settle it yet there is video of the exact point of failure as the bowing becomes too extreme. Hoffman is in denial.
@representativepress I don't like Jim Hoffman so I could care less what he even thinks. Or are you trying to play the typical MSM game of guilt by association? What a typical MSM tactic. And you call yourself a "truth teller"? HA!
@representativepress Hey "guy", I actually follow the 9/11 truth movement and have for years and Hoffman,like many figures is not universally loved by 9/11 activists. I know it works for your hollow argument to pretend otherwise but sorry,thats how it is. There is a lot of disinfo/controlled opposition around, you and Hoffman both prove it in your own ways. Of course you're a bit more obvious with your open attacks on 9/11 activists.
@newjack31622 HE is the guy most often cited as a source. WHn asked, Gage used Hoffman as his expert. Ryan Mackey has witten a paper debunking all their claims. When asked about the paper, Gage says he hasn't read it, he points to Hoffman as having read it and supposedly refuting it. Gage also doesn't know that Macky has refuted Hoffman's responses and gives viewers the false impression that Mackey never debunked Hoffman's reply. ALL of them are wrong. Gage is wrong.
@representativepress Hes one of many cited but lets not pretend hes the only person out there calling bullshit on 9/11. And you seem a bit obsessed with Richard Gage by the way.
@newjack31622 "Class 1 (fire-resistive) buildings typical of high-rise construction usually are designated as having three- or four-hour fire resistance ratings. In the past, that was taken to mean that they would never be a serious collapse threat. While this is usually the case in the completed structures, IT IS NOT a guarantee, particularly in the steel-framed high-rise that relies on some type of spray-on or membrane fireproofing to protect the steel" Firehouse Magazine Sept. 1998
@representativepress Fire Engineering magazine Jan. 2002-"Editor-in-chief Manning is calling the present investigation run by the American Society of Civil Engineers "a half-baked farce," and has condemned the destruction of WTC evidence." ... the structural damage from the planes and the explosive ignition of jet fuel in themselves were not enough to bring down the towers,"
@representativepress I didn't get that from "Jones" you clown. And you can take the quote out of context all you want, I trust others to read it for what it actualy says.
@newjack31622 Jones is the source for taking him out of context. Bottom line is Manning agrees fires undermined the structural integrity, it is dishonest to act like he doesn't.
@representativepress That was a direct quote, not from Jones but from Manning. I have a loooooong list of firefighters saying similar things. Would you like those quotes too?
@newjack31622 How honest is it to quote Manning from 2002, Manning was talking about FEMA (and months before their report appeared. Google fire_engineering.html
@newjack31622 "you seem a bit obsessed with Richard Gage " YOU are the one who refers to his "1,500 and growing every day INDEPENDENT engineers" as some kind of authorities.
@representativepress And last time I checked they were not all named Richard Gage. 1,547 and growing, attack them all and defend NIST hacks like the gov stooge you appear to be(at least on this issue).
Tom believes that the Israeli Mossad agents taping the 9/11 false flag were "just documenting the event". He buys into the MSM/Mossad line that they were simply harmlessly taping the event. How unbelievably gullible.
@TheFlexEffect Mush like the 5 Mossad agents caught taping the attack as it happened he no doubt belives that the Israelis caught with explosives on the GW bridge were just having a nice scenic drive. No harm meant right Tom you dupe? I guess he believes in magic passports too.
@TheFlexEffect No speculation needed, the guy is painfully obvious. He pushes the neocon/zionists most damaging lies-the 9/11 lies. Their is no more effective pro-war propaganda than parroting the "official 9/11 story". Tom is either useful idiot or some sort of controlled opposition. Anyone who pushes the 9/11 lies is one of those 2 things. There is no excuse for pushing the "official 9/11 story".
@TheFlexEffect WHAT "Lie"? Name somethings specific please. "I'm starting to think you're some kind of psyop"
my first hunch with you is ignorance & poor reasoning skills & poor social skills. My second is that perhaps you want to throw a monkey wrench into one of the few media outlets that reports Israel's crimes (I report US crimes too.) I am definitely the only media outlet that consistently reports the main motive for 9.11 attack: US support of ISrael. is that message you want to hinder?
Perhaps you are right. Maybe being on YouTube has made me too hasty to post with ad-hominem in my retort. When I can come up with a proper reply based on ethics, etc. I think we may continue the argument.
Celente - you are a joke. You want to raise taxes on the rich now? Question: How are jobs created? Answer: When people who actually have capital (the rich) invest it to create more wealth for themselves. Jobs are created as a consequence of wealth creation. At this time in our economy, raising taxes on such people would be like punching ourselves in the face. As for fairness, 50% of workers pay no federal income tax and get far more in govt benefits than they pay in.
@DanFrederiksen Take your meds, get some help, but in any event, please don't reproduce or vote. Fyi, nobody on earth gives a crap about what you think. Get a life!
@glennd7962 actually I am extremely sound of mind and a genius. the world is in desperate need of more people like me. I am incomparably your superior. I am a gem among the scum that is mankind and you are... not. 9/11 was an inside job whether you can handle it or not. there are that sick people in power in USA. killing a couple of thousand should not come as a shock when you know they were willing to lie to go to war in Iraq and kill a million people.
@DanFrederiksen what you are saying makes no sense. If anyone wanted to go to war with Iraq, it makes no sense at all to "create" an event that does not involve Iraq. And do you really think no one would support going after those who attacked even if nearly everyone was able to get out of the towers? How many times do I have to explain that the conditions of the towers were, due to the fires, viably deteriorating well before the collapses? HAve you watched my videos? Can you dispute anything?
@representativepress you have never addressed WTC7 nor Larry Silverstein's admission of demolition nor John Kerry's admission. I can believe fire in the twins weakened the steel, I even buy buckling but that wouldn't make the many floors under it buckle and certainly not that rapidly. what do you really know of engineering?
you haven't addressed the many reported explosions either. particularly grave is the janitor in the basement reporting skin blown off before the fall. firemen felt explosions
@representativepress you mean you hinge everything on the opinion of one fireman? never mind that no leaning can be seen? and how could mr hose dragger suddenly be an expert on structural integrity of 47 storey buildings?
and have you thought about what it means for a 47 story building to lean? how much have to give way at either side for a lean to be even remotely visible? and no lateral sag was ever seen in any video nor did the building fall to its side. it fell straight down like a piston.
@DanFrederiksen NO, it isn't just one fireman. you don't pay attention, I show quotes from others, are you reading them? are you reading what Nigro said? Tell me what Fire Cheif Nigro said.
@representativepress that one might very well be a liar. of the highest order. but he might simply be speaking beyond his knowledge. unless he is very specially trained he would not know how to figure out chances of a fall.
and you still close your eyes to the things that don't fit your position. you didn't deal with how his claim of leaning fits with the video footage.
and make your points here. I don't simply tell you to go view all videos on 9/11 problems although you should. what did he say?
@DanFrederiksen If you searched "wtc7" on my channel page and saw the first result, the video called "WTC 7's structural integrity and its footprint" you could watch it and see that 37 seconds into it I show a quote from Nigro: "A number of fire officers and companies assessed the damage to the building. The appraisals indicated that the building's integrity was in serious doubt." - Fire chief Daniel Nigro
In the video info I have other quotes from the fireman. Why can't you see them?
@DanFrederiksen I think the firemen know what they are talking about. as far as video. I can see with the towers the inward bowing of the exterior columns. THere is video showing the failure taking place as the inward bowing becomes extreme and the building collapses on video. It collapses right at the point of the inward boing and you can see video of it happening.
@representativepress you mean you believe the firemen who said it was going to fall. and not the firemen who said there were demolition explosions all down the building. boom boom boom boom boom. that's a quote.
we can't afford to just believe officials when thermite is found in the rubble. you of all people should appreciate the fallacy of blind faith in authority.
you choose to believe these firemen but not the ones who experiences explosions inside the twin towers. you see the problem?
@DanFrederiksen SOUNDS, SOUNDS of explosions are not necessarily "demolition explosions" and in this case they clearly were not. THere were loud sounds of many things well before the collapses, including bodies hitting the ground from jumpers. Many of the sounds were well before the collapses and obviously not "controlled demolition" sounds. IT makes no sense to insist that bombs would be set off hours before the collapses. I already told you, we can see the point of failure – NO EXPLOSION.
@DanFrederiksen that is NOT the quote. "It is AS IF the building is being imploded, from the top floor down, one after another, boom, boom, boom." AS IF (but he is describing what he thought it sounded like, he didn't say "IT WAS"
Do you not understand that we can see the points of failure of the towers? You don't understand that the inward bowing got progressively worse? We can see the bowing getting worse all the way to the point of failure.
@representativepress yes I accept that local failures were observed. global failure was also observed. I'm just entirely too intelligent to make the unfounded leap that nothing unseen added to the cause of the local failure or that the local failure logically dictates total collapse. you make those leaps without logical foundation.
there a many examples of substantial partial collapse of steel buildings without global collapse. there are at least 3 steel buildings that dropped a floor in Kobe
it was not a highrise and it was a global fire. nor do you know if it was built to any standard. yet you invoke it to close your eyes to the plethora of evidence that WTC was controlled demolition.
a guy in the basement who had his skin blown off did not confuse that event with the splash of people falling onto the street.
I know it's not easy to accept that people with such audacity exist but that is the evidence.
@DanFrederiksen skin hanging off is CLASSIC fire injury. that is what happens. Bombs would plow someone apart. Fires can make human skin come pealing off. and that was in the basement for goodness sakes and an hour before the collapses! The buildings collapses from the top so what you are saying makes no sense at all. STOP making a mockery out of 9/11
@DanFrederiksen you "point" was that a building didn't collapse due to a fire. I told you that just because fire can cause a total collapse does not mean that it will always cause one. you want to play games. I quoted FIrehouse MAgazine were the point is made that there is indeed a "collapse threat"
DanFrederiksen Is there a collapse threat with a steel-framed high-rise that relies on some type of spray-on fireproofing to protect the steel? YES, as FIrehouse magazine was saying as early as 1998. CRYSTAL CLEAR: "In the past, that was taken to mean that they would never be a serious collapse threat. While this is usually the case in the completed structures, IT IS NOT a guarantee, particularly in the steel-framed high-rise that relies on some type of spray-on fireproofing (as WTC towers did!)
@DanFrederiksen you seem to have a serious problem with reasoning. Do you honestly think that ONLY if fires could cause a totally collapse that it means that it will ALWAYS cause a total collapse? What is the problem here? there is a reason fire proofing is applied to steel. Steel is vulnerable to fire. DId you watch my videos or not? Did you see what I pointed out in my video "Gage Tells 9/11 Lies, See Bowing Debunks 'Controlled Demolition'" about what firemen were saying in 1998?
@DanFrederiksen "Class 1 (fire-resistive) buildings typical of high-rise construction usually are designated as having three- or four-hour fire resistance ratings. In the past, that was taken to mean that they would never be a serious collapse threat. While this is usually the case in the completed structures, IT IS NOT a guarantee, particularly in the steel-framed high-rise that relies on some type of spray-on or membrane fireproofing to protect the steel" Firehouse Magazine Sept. 1998
@representativepress No, many firemen reported on secondary explosions(including on the lower floors). I don't think they are lying. Do you? By the way, you pretend to know a lot about structural engineering. What are your credentials?
@newjack31622 "Controlled demolitions" are NOT done by setting of explosives an hour before the building si to come down. And the towers collapsed from the top so again it makes no sense waht you are saying. I know firemen reported hearing explosions. Jet fuel, which many people smelled that day, did explode and it did explode down elevator shafts. Also, elevators came crashing down, do you think that would make an explosive sound? ANd bodies impacting the ground also made explosive sounds.
@representativepress So you basically admit you have no credentials concerning structural engineering and you choose to believe NIST(the government) over 1,500 and growing every day INDEPENDENT engineers? You know what that makes you right Tom? And you're trotting out the "jet fuel went all the way down the elevator shafts! Honest!" bullshit line too? Really?
They said NOTHING about "bodies hitting the ground" or jet fuel being the source of the EXPLOSIVE sounds. They even use the words "secondary explosions". But what do they know? They're just firefighters that were there that day right? You are a useful idiot or controlled opposition. And get a voice over guy while you're at it.
@representativepress Apparently you didn't watch the clip. That was after the planes hit and they said "multiple" as in at least 3. Guess the floors "pancaked" too huh genius? Oh wait, even your boys at NIST were forced to abandon that one...(you keep ignoring the Mossad angle too I noticed. "document the event" right Tom? You trust em right?)
@newjack31622 IF you look at the timelines, you can see that there is no proof that the 5 celebrating Israelis were there BEFORE the first impact. Fox News got the story wrong, they base their article on a NYT article. If you look at that source, you can see the witness spotted the men AFTER the crash. Look at the source.
@representativepress WRONG. The Israelis(3 of them) themselves went on Israeli tv because they were caught red handed and and thats when they sheepishly offered up the "documenting the event" trope that dupes like you apparently believe. You are simply lying and/or wrong. I checked the timeline and heard the lame ass excuse.
@newjack31622 you don't have to have prior knowledge of an event in order to document an event. There were plenty of people who pointed cameras at the towers. Not many people celebrated. Instead of focusing on the ugliness of them celebrating, you make an accusation of what exactly?
@representativepress Look at how far you are reaching Tom. Or should I say how far you are bending over for these Mossad agents as well as the other Israelis and American traitors who did 9/11. How about the ones caught on the GW bridge with explosives? Or the HUNDREDS in the spy ring swept up after 9/11(and sent home by Chertoff etc.)? Do you have some excuses for them too? Look at yourself. Its pathetic.
@newjack31622 And the GW Bridge story is another one that was missreported. VERY soon after it was clariffied that it was susspecion and NOT definative that there were explosives.
@representativepress "Not definitive" huh? Do you think I was born yesterday? Or are you just hoping your readers/subscribers were? You know how specious the after the fact MSM spin job is. The initial story speaks volumes. You are protecting Mossad agents. The ones caught on GW bridge even tried to blame Palestinians for 9/11. Gee, why would they do that? 9/11 was an Israeli/American job and you are protecting the perps with your lazy "debunking" job. Good thing its a massive failure.
@representativepress Misreported when? When the INITIAL story came out talking of explosives or the OBVIOUS media spin afterwards saying it was "unclear"? How naive are you? Or are you just playing dumb and pretending that the media doesn't spin things after its clear who they need to protect? Like say Mossad agents caught red handed on 9/11?
@representativepress ABC 20/20-"The police and FBI field agents became very suspicious when they found maps of the city with certain places highlighted, box cutters (the same items that the hijackers supposedly used), $4700 cash stuffed in a sock, and foreign passports. Police also told the Bergen Record that bomb sniffing dogs were brought to the van and that they reacted as if they had smelled explosives." OOPS! Wrong again Tom. Lies or ignorance on your part?
@newjack31622 There were no explosives in the van. "as if they had smelled explosive" "AS IF" doesn't mean the dogs were correctly finding explosives. Police looked, there were none. And that is what the police say and had said VERY soon after.
@representativepress No source? You're reaching really hard here. Do you believe in the magic bullet too? The van tested positive and no spin after the fact is going to change that. You are sitting here spinning and making every excuse you can for these obviously guilty Mossad agents caught on 9/11. This speaks volumes about you. Your motives are becoming more clear with every weak excuse you make on behalf of these agents.
@newjack31622 Also, if they were really on the ball, they would have said al-Qaeda attacked you, we are not your problem. So their answer wasn't neither accurate or clever.
@representativepress LOL! You're a joke. Keep digging that hole Tom. Again, you're sitting here making excuses for Mossad agents, and no excuse is too ridiculous for you to push. You HAVE to know what this looks like.
@newjack31622 you keep saying "tested" WHAT test? Do you think the dogs are a "test"? Do you think dogs are always correct? In a tense situation with their handlers having see the horror of the day, how do you know those dogs are 100% accurate?
@representativepress I'm trying to keep a tally here. Is this excuse #13 or 14 that you've made for the Mossad agents caught on 9/11 in NYC? Just wondering.
@newjack31622 READ THIS: "If the conspirators are in control of the police, then why did the report of explosives ever reach the media? If that was because they don't control all the police, then why are the officers on the scene, who would have known all about this, gone along with a cover-up? Are we really to believe that, if there was any hint of these incidents connecting to 9/11, that officers who had seen so many colleagues killed that day wouldn't have exposed them?"
@representativepress Good for you,you can troll "debunker" sites. At least one of the cops there gave an interview stating how strange he found the whole thing. And you assume the others did not say anything to their superiors and you also assume that police departments are not corruptable. I'm sure you heard the latest story of the CIA working in the NYPD right? Not all cops are dirty but many at the top are. Ignore this FACT if you want but its pretty evident. And Sirhan killed RFK right Tom?
@newjack31622 Do you know Sirhan Sirhan's motive? Are you always misdirecting people from knowing about cases were anger at US support of Israel motivates an attack?
@representativepress Let the record show that not only does Tom believe(or push) the 9/11 lies but he also believes that Sirhan Sirhan killed RFK. Are there any lies you will not swallow? Or do you only swallow the big ones that change the course of US(and world) history for the worse? I see a pattern. "His motives". Thats how you fool a fool into buying into the lies if they don't believe the "hate us for our freedoms" bullshit that neocons buy into.You're the other side of the duped coin.
@newjack31622 so you want us to believe that secret agents who are "serving Israel's interests" are at the same time "making up" the fact that people are targeting the US for attack because of their anger at US support of Israel? That doesn't make sense.
@representativepress No, I just don't believe that Oswald did it, or that Sirhan Sirhan did it, no matter how pure the motives ascribed to him were to you or anybody else. Same with 9/11, the "motives" crap is for Chomsky fans unwilling to confront false flag attacks for what they are. There are many legitimate reasons to be angry with Israel and US support of it. The biggest reason would be Israels willingness to attack America(USS LIberty,9/11 etc.) if it serves its interests to do so.
@representativepress Blowback is a very real phenomenon. Its not what happened on 9/11(or RFK for that matter). That is the excuse used to fool the people who don't fall for the "hate our freedoms" fear monger crap. You were either fooled yourself or are actively trying to fool leftists into thinking 9/11 happened how the MSM and feds told us it did. Nice try. Its not going to work for long, its already falling apart.
@newjack31622 It makes no sence at all, how the hell do you conect them to hijackings of planes. and it is a totally different MO. How are you making this weird association?
@newjack31622 Nafeez Ahmed omited key info from the article he cited: "Sources also said that bomb-sniffing dogs reacted as if they had detected explosives, although officers were unable to find anything. The FBI seized the van for further testing, authorities said."
@representativepress You're splitting hairs like nobody Ive ever seen. And you're also very trusting of our corporate owned media. Because they ALWAYS follow up on politically sensitive and pardon the pun, explosive stories concerning Israel right? You are so naive, so gullible.
@representativepress Its pretty obvious what. Lets see-during the 9/11 attack they(Mossad agents) were caught on the GW bridge with a van that tested positive for explosives, AND they tried to convince the cops that the "Palestinians were the problem". Yeah, nothing suspicious about that right Tom? Mossad thanks you.
@representativepress "The New York Times reported Thursday that a group of five men had set up video cameras aimed at the Twin Towers prior to the attack on Tuesday, and were seen congratulating one another afterwards."Add in other Israelis caught on 9/11,Silverstein,Frank Lowy,Dov Zakheim and many others and its clear who was involved in 9/11 and its clear who you are protecting.Don't give me your cred building crap,I know you "take on Israel" while protecting the one lie that could ruin them.
@representativepress That says "prior to the attack" by the way. Look at yourself, you are sitting here making excuses for Mossad agents. Literally. You must know what this looks like.
@representativepress Well you believe them right? That it wasn't prior to the attack? You trust Mossad right?"According to ABC’s 20/20, when the van belonging to the cheering Israelis was stopped by the police, the driver of the van, Sivan Kurzberg, told the officers:
"We are Israelis. We are not your problem. Your problems are our problems. The Palestinians are your problem."
Now why would they say that Tom? Thats not suspicious is it? Are you kidding me?
@newjack31622 it has nothing to do with "trusting the Mossad." I showed you that the NYT article which Fox News uses as its source does NOT say what Fox claimed it said.
@representativepress You did no such thing. And even if you had provided a source and not a random claim are you now going to pretend that the media does not lie about big events after the fact for various reasons? Seriously? A real researcher knows that initial media reports are always closest to the truth because the "official story" has not been molded fully yet. The media is at its most honest when things are first breaking. You're a hack.
@newjack31622 Well, I think they would say that because they are Israelis. I think they would say that because they didn't want to be hassled or worse.
@representativepress So you DO trust them. Yeah, they would blame Palestinians because that was the whole point of 9/11 for the Israelis involved-to make their enemies Americas enemies. To set the stage for endless wars against arab nations surrounding Israel-wars that America would fight for them. This is your most pathetic excuse yet for the Mossad and the American traitors involved in 9/11. Very weak.
@representativepress Not on the level we are now. Iraq would have nver been sellable without 9/11 and you know it. Thats why even PNAC(mostly zionists) admitted before 9/11 that to get at Iraq they would need a "pearl harbor" event. Talk about ignorant, look in a mirror, you're falling apart here.
@newjack31622 NIST was not "forced to abandon" anything because they never put forth the theory that collapse initiation was due to pancaking floors. So you have spread more misinformation.
@representativepress Wrong, the initial theory that was floated out there for idiots like you was "pancaking" but even NIST had to back off of it. Nice try liar.
@newjack31622 NIST never said pancaking was the collapse mechanism. You simply don't know what you are talking about if you think NIST made that claim.
@representativepress Well you would know what NIST says right, considering your blind trust of them? Anyway, NIST was forced to admit the "pancake" collapse was not realistic after morons like you pushed that theory. Point being that the best guess for those trying to explain how the buildings came down without explosives is completely unrealistic and not possible and even gov stooges at NIST were forced to admit this.
@representativepress Oh and Tom, you trust the Mossad agents that were taping the attack "to document the event" right? You take them at their word right? Dov Zakheim,Dick Cheney,Larry Silverstein etc. thank you for your gullibility. You are an asset to the neocon/zionist warmonger trash no matter how much you nibble around the edges because in the end you allow them their biggest trump card.
@representativepress and you did another thing wrong. you ignored all my points and only indirectly responded to the WTC7 issue because you thought you could dispel that. you don't get to cherry pick what you want to deal with. you have to deal with it all. holistically. only a coherent picture can be the truth. not easy outs
@representativepress you quote him as saying firemen and companies said the building integrity was in doubt.
who were these people, how could they know that? did any of them make a detailed report about it? did any of them take pictures to document it? did any of them write a book about this spectacular event?
the guy in the video said the building was leaning, another said there was a bulge at the corner between floors 10 and 13. which is it?
and why believe these and not the others. holistics
BBC reporting the fall of WTC7 20 minutes before it fell and with a live view of the building as a backdrop is also a cute detail that you don't deal with.
if WTC7 could fall from those tiny fires that would be a sensation in highrise engineering. for a building to be that fragile is simply unthinkable. and there is more.
Larry Silverstein didn't go to work that day.
there was anomalous trading on the stock market of airlines the day before.
also rumors that jews were warned to not go to work.
@representativepress oh I forgot. you haven't addressed the thermite chemical residue found. nor the pools of molten steel found in the rubble weeks after the falls. weeks and still molten.
also some of the columns were found with a 45 degree cut which means the column pushes itself out to the side under the weigh. afaik that's a technique also used industrially.
there are many paranoid conspiracies around but 9/11 has overwhelming evidence. I'm afraid there is certainty. they did it.
@representativepress It absolutely makes perfect sense to blame a group in "al qaeda" that you can chase from one country to the next and use as a catch-all. They didn't need to blame Iraq directly and it wouldn't make sense to because Saddam/Iraq would fight those allegations. Kind of hard for an essentially made up group-"al qaeda" to deny responsibilty if they essentially don't exist. "Al qaeda" was the perfect patsy. You are pretty slow.
@newjack31622 The Iraq war is transparently illegal. If the powers that be wanted an excuse, how in the world does 9/11 make any sense since it had nothing to do with Iraq.
@representativepress You cant be this dense. HELLO, PNAC. Even they admit that the Iraq war was not sellable without a "new pearl harbor" event, sort of like 9/11. You have heard of PNAC right Tom? The Iraq war could have never been sold without the fear of 9/11 fresh in Americans minds. You know it. I know it. Stop playing dumb.
Regardless whether we need this particular agency, I agree with RepPress that our government's spending priorities (and conversely, what we're willing to cut) are ridiculous.
@cooperbry "NOAA formed a conglomeration of three existing agencies that were among the oldest in the Federal Government. They were the United States Coast and Geodetic Survey, formed in 1807; the Weather Bureau, formed in 1870; and the Bureau of Commercial Fisheries, formed in 1871." - wikipedia
A modern nation needs to function, you should expand your information sources and stop following extremists.
@representativepress Just because Warren Buffet thinks he isn't taxed enough doesn't mean that I feel the same way (or agree with him). It's not an extreme position just because it's not in agreement with your position.
I suppose that you think it's perfectly fine that the current budget deficit is 1.3 trillion dollars? That's just a one year deficit. I suppose you think it's perfectly fine that our debt is so large, that our fiscal status is on par with Greece?
Seems strange that DC had inside info that the earth quake originating in Va was coming in advance as the govt in DC had evacuated prior to the 5.9 quake hit.
You're usually okay when it comes to foreign policy, but when you're talking domestic policy it's the usual far left ramblings of economic illiterates. The tax cuts for the rich were extended by Obama fist of all, it's his tax cuts now. Second, the tax cut package as a whole made the tax code more progressive. Third, it will not do anything to the deficit, absolutely nothing. Neither will cutting the weather service though. Which is why this discussion is derailed before it even started.
I don't trust Warren Buffet, and think taxes should be raised for people who make 500,000 dollars or more AFTER takes. I know that's big, but people who can rake in 500,000 dollars a year before taxes are still in the small business bracket. I personally feel that I am taxed waay too much under the current tax rules and I don't make anywhere near 250,000 a year. I also agree with your complaint about tax cut priorities. Duplicitous gov. agencies, foreign aid and all subsides should be cut.
Taxation is THEFT. No way around it. A "National Weather Service" does not have to be funded through coercion and can still exist without taking money by force from peaceful people,
@cliffyknight He wrote a completely reasonable article. Your suggestion is stupid because the point was that the rate for ALL of the super rich people in the tax brackets he is talking about should changed from the irresponsibly low levels that Bush pushed. You don't understand how ridiculous your suggestion is? Buffet wrote the op-ed because he knows it ISN'T JUST HIM that doesn't pay enough. And JUST him paying more doesn't solve the problem. He is suggesting a real solution, not symbolism.
@cliffyknight You make Buffett sound like a money-hording skinflint. Buffett has donated 3B to the Gates foundation, and plans on donating 99% of his wealth.
@cliffyknight that isn't true. and check out what Warren Buffet has recently said about this outrageous sittution (he agrees with me) Link in the video info
@judoskeleton Warren Buffet has written an article which should help answer your question, it's called "Stop Coddling the Super-Rich." It begins "Our leaders have asked for “shared sacrifice.” But when they did the asking, they spared me. I checked with my mega-rich friends to learn what pain they were expecting. They, too, were left untouched. .. while most Americans struggle to make ends meet, we mega-rich continue to get our extraordinary tax breaks. ..." I'll put a link in the video info.
Tell you what, how about they raise taxes to what they were under Reagan? Can you imagine the incandescence? The spittle flying? And Reagan, these day, is hailed as some kind of super-saint regarding fiscal responsibility!
today's rich are not like the Anglo Saxon financial elites who believed in nobless oblige and cared about the welfare of those they ruled. The world would be a better place without jews because they are the ones destroying us.
Question, if the main news channels get their info from the national weather service why can't THEY pay to fund it rather than regular tax payers? sounds like an idea
So, what are you all going to do about it.... Just sit back and whinge? or are you going to take the thugs, who are destroying your country, by the throats and throttle them?
I really hope Hurricane Irene decimates New york (just like Katrina did with New Orleans), where the wall street crooks do their fraud schemes and money laundering. Good riddance to the NYSE.
The Federal Government should not be taxing anyone. They should only tax corporations and tariff trade. They are doing neither. Its completely backwards. Governments lie too much to be in charge of the Weather alert system. There is always a better way to fund services than a federal Government. ALWAYS
yES STOP SENDING THE JEWS MONEY AND THINGS WILL BE BETTER
allantapps 1 month ago
stop sending the jews 5 billion a year and that will help
allantapps 2 months ago
Get some real sources before posting shit :)
GuitarTKD 5 months ago
oh man I just lost a lot of respect for you after seeing this pro tax-and-spend faulty [Marxist/Keynesian] [wealth redistribution/centralized economic planning] video. We don't have a revenue problem, we have a spending problem. I wouldn't cut the Weather Service but instead of raising taxes and increasing the size of government I'd cut the militarism. Its time to bring our troops home saving billions of dollars. And not just from the Middle East, but from Europe and Asia and everywhere
a4finger 6 months ago
CLICK on "9/11: What You Don't Know is Killing People" to se new video (link at the end of this comment)
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representativepress 6 months ago
Very good. Looking forward to your 911 vids. Thanks for the continued straight talk. It's a breath of fresh air.
duezeri1968 6 months ago
@duezeri1968 Thank you.
representativepress 6 months ago
You can admit you were wrong about 9/11 Tom. Us genuine and or not duped members of the anti-neocon,anti-zionist and anti-war crowds will forgive you. Because again there are only 2 ways of explaining someone who both promotes the 9/11 lies and attacks those who do not. Useuful idiot. Or controlled opposition. Which one are you Tom? You lie about 9/11 just like the corporate/zionist owned media and government does. You push the same lies that they do.
newjack31622 6 months ago
Do you love Israel? Do you love American foreign policy? Do you love war in general? Then by all means continue to promote the obvious 9/11 lies and atttack those that do not accept those lies. The 9/11 lies is their best propaganda to this day. We know what you're up to Tom. All of this will be saved for posterity. The disinfo tools and controlled ops will be exposed just like the real 9/11 perps(Zakheim,Silverstein,Lowy,Cheney etc.) will.
newjack31622 6 months ago 2
@newjack31622, do you realize that Jim Hoffman tries to explain away the bowing exterior columns as an "optical illusion"? That is the lengths that most cited "truth scientists" goes to to try to explain away the evidence of failing structural integrity well before the collapses. His excuse of "hot air" is so far fetched it is absurd to the extreme! And he said video would settle it yet there is video of the exact point of failure as the bowing becomes too extreme. Hoffman is in denial.
representativepress 6 months ago
@representativepress I don't like Jim Hoffman so I could care less what he even thinks. Or are you trying to play the typical MSM game of guilt by association? What a typical MSM tactic. And you call yourself a "truth teller"? HA!
newjack31622 6 months ago
@newjack31622 Hey guy, Jim Hoffman is the most cited "expert" of the 9/11 "truth movement." He is David Ray Griffin and Richard Gage's go to guy.
representativepress 6 months ago
@representativepress Hey "guy", I actually follow the 9/11 truth movement and have for years and Hoffman,like many figures is not universally loved by 9/11 activists. I know it works for your hollow argument to pretend otherwise but sorry,thats how it is. There is a lot of disinfo/controlled opposition around, you and Hoffman both prove it in your own ways. Of course you're a bit more obvious with your open attacks on 9/11 activists.
newjack31622 6 months ago
@newjack31622 HE is the guy most often cited as a source. WHn asked, Gage used Hoffman as his expert. Ryan Mackey has witten a paper debunking all their claims. When asked about the paper, Gage says he hasn't read it, he points to Hoffman as having read it and supposedly refuting it. Gage also doesn't know that Macky has refuted Hoffman's responses and gives viewers the false impression that Mackey never debunked Hoffman's reply. ALL of them are wrong. Gage is wrong.
representativepress 6 months ago
@representativepress Hes one of many cited but lets not pretend hes the only person out there calling bullshit on 9/11. And you seem a bit obsessed with Richard Gage by the way.
newjack31622 6 months ago
@newjack31622 "Class 1 (fire-resistive) buildings typical of high-rise construction usually are designated as having three- or four-hour fire resistance ratings. In the past, that was taken to mean that they would never be a serious collapse threat. While this is usually the case in the completed structures, IT IS NOT a guarantee, particularly in the steel-framed high-rise that relies on some type of spray-on or membrane fireproofing to protect the steel" Firehouse Magazine Sept. 1998
representativepress 6 months ago
@representativepress Fire Engineering magazine Jan. 2002-"Editor-in-chief Manning is calling the present investigation run by the American Society of Civil Engineers "a half-baked farce," and has condemned the destruction of WTC evidence." ... the structural damage from the planes and the explosive ignition of jet fuel in themselves were not enough to bring down the towers,"
newjack31622 6 months ago
@newjack31622 but the resulting fires were.
representativepress 6 months ago
@newjack31622 Manning is talking about fire safety. Jones has deceived you. jones_quotes_manning_.html
representativepress 6 months ago
@representativepress I didn't get that from "Jones" you clown. And you can take the quote out of context all you want, I trust others to read it for what it actualy says.
newjack31622 6 months ago
@newjack31622 Jones is the source for taking him out of context. Bottom line is Manning agrees fires undermined the structural integrity, it is dishonest to act like he doesn't.
representativepress 6 months ago
@representativepress That was a direct quote, not from Jones but from Manning. I have a loooooong list of firefighters saying similar things. Would you like those quotes too?
newjack31622 6 months ago
@newjack31622 How honest is it to quote Manning from 2002, Manning was talking about FEMA (and months before their report appeared. Google fire_engineering.html
representativepress 6 months ago
@newjack31622 "you seem a bit obsessed with Richard Gage " YOU are the one who refers to his "1,500 and growing every day INDEPENDENT engineers" as some kind of authorities.
representativepress 6 months ago
@representativepress And last time I checked they were not all named Richard Gage. 1,547 and growing, attack them all and defend NIST hacks like the gov stooge you appear to be(at least on this issue).
newjack31622 6 months ago
Tom believes that the Israeli Mossad agents taping the 9/11 false flag were "just documenting the event". He buys into the MSM/Mossad line that they were simply harmlessly taping the event. How unbelievably gullible.
newjack31622 6 months ago 2
Tom Murphy, you just love lying about 9/11
you're pretty sick
I hate speculating, but I'm starting to think you're some kind of psyop
TheFlexEffect 6 months ago 9
@TheFlexEffect I have posted several specific facts here in the comment section. can you dispute any of them?
representativepress 6 months ago
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@representativepress
I don't see your "facts"
but you dispute this:
FACT: Israeli Mossad were arrested on 9/11 near the George Washington Bridge with a truck full of explosives (then later released back to Israel)
TheFlexEffect 6 months ago 7
@TheFlexEffect Mush like the 5 Mossad agents caught taping the attack as it happened he no doubt belives that the Israelis caught with explosives on the GW bridge were just having a nice scenic drive. No harm meant right Tom you dupe? I guess he believes in magic passports too.
newjack31622 6 months ago 3
@TheFlexEffect No speculation needed, the guy is painfully obvious. He pushes the neocon/zionists most damaging lies-the 9/11 lies. Their is no more effective pro-war propaganda than parroting the "official 9/11 story". Tom is either useful idiot or some sort of controlled opposition. Anyone who pushes the 9/11 lies is one of those 2 things. There is no excuse for pushing the "official 9/11 story".
newjack31622 6 months ago 3
@TheFlexEffect WHAT "Lie"? Name somethings specific please. "I'm starting to think you're some kind of psyop"
my first hunch with you is ignorance & poor reasoning skills & poor social skills. My second is that perhaps you want to throw a monkey wrench into one of the few media outlets that reports Israel's crimes (I report US crimes too.) I am definitely the only media outlet that consistently reports the main motive for 9.11 attack: US support of ISrael. is that message you want to hinder?
representativepress 6 months ago
@Visfen
Perhaps you are right. Maybe being on YouTube has made me too hasty to post with ad-hominem in my retort. When I can come up with a proper reply based on ethics, etc. I think we may continue the argument.
GOBFilms 6 months ago
Celente - you are a joke. You want to raise taxes on the rich now? Question: How are jobs created? Answer: When people who actually have capital (the rich) invest it to create more wealth for themselves. Jobs are created as a consequence of wealth creation. At this time in our economy, raising taxes on such people would be like punching ourselves in the face. As for fairness, 50% of workers pay no federal income tax and get far more in govt benefits than they pay in.
glennd7962 6 months ago
realizing that 9/11 was an inside job is more vital, old whiner
DanFrederiksen 6 months ago 4
@DanFrederiksen Take your meds, get some help, but in any event, please don't reproduce or vote. Fyi, nobody on earth gives a crap about what you think. Get a life!
glennd7962 6 months ago
@glennd7962 actually I am extremely sound of mind and a genius. the world is in desperate need of more people like me. I am incomparably your superior. I am a gem among the scum that is mankind and you are... not. 9/11 was an inside job whether you can handle it or not. there are that sick people in power in USA. killing a couple of thousand should not come as a shock when you know they were willing to lie to go to war in Iraq and kill a million people.
and it's hardly the first in US history
DanFrederiksen 6 months ago
@DanFrederiksen what you are saying makes no sense. If anyone wanted to go to war with Iraq, it makes no sense at all to "create" an event that does not involve Iraq. And do you really think no one would support going after those who attacked even if nearly everyone was able to get out of the towers? How many times do I have to explain that the conditions of the towers were, due to the fires, viably deteriorating well before the collapses? HAve you watched my videos? Can you dispute anything?
representativepress 6 months ago
@representativepress you have never addressed WTC7 nor Larry Silverstein's admission of demolition nor John Kerry's admission. I can believe fire in the twins weakened the steel, I even buy buckling but that wouldn't make the many floors under it buckle and certainly not that rapidly. what do you really know of engineering?
you haven't addressed the many reported explosions either. particularly grave is the janitor in the basement reporting skin blown off before the fall. firemen felt explosions
DanFrederiksen 6 months ago
@DanFrederiksen "you have never addressed WTC7" That is NOT true. Just go to my channel page and do a search for "WTC7" or "WTC 7"
representativepress 6 months ago
@representativepress you mean you hinge everything on the opinion of one fireman? never mind that no leaning can be seen? and how could mr hose dragger suddenly be an expert on structural integrity of 47 storey buildings?
and have you thought about what it means for a 47 story building to lean? how much have to give way at either side for a lean to be even remotely visible? and no lateral sag was ever seen in any video nor did the building fall to its side. it fell straight down like a piston.
DanFrederiksen 6 months ago
@DanFrederiksen NO, it isn't just one fireman. you don't pay attention, I show quotes from others, are you reading them? are you reading what Nigro said? Tell me what Fire Cheif Nigro said.
representativepress 6 months ago
@representativepress cameras were on that building for hours. any lean should presumably be on the record.
I'm guessing it isn't because it never happened.
DanFrederiksen 6 months ago
@DanFrederiksen So firemen are lying, is that it? Or perhaps you don't know as much about fires as professional firemen do. ever consider that?
representativepress 6 months ago
@representativepress that one might very well be a liar. of the highest order. but he might simply be speaking beyond his knowledge. unless he is very specially trained he would not know how to figure out chances of a fall.
and you still close your eyes to the things that don't fit your position. you didn't deal with how his claim of leaning fits with the video footage.
and make your points here. I don't simply tell you to go view all videos on 9/11 problems although you should. what did he say?
DanFrederiksen 6 months ago
@DanFrederiksen If you searched "wtc7" on my channel page and saw the first result, the video called "WTC 7's structural integrity and its footprint" you could watch it and see that 37 seconds into it I show a quote from Nigro: "A number of fire officers and companies assessed the damage to the building. The appraisals indicated that the building's integrity was in serious doubt." - Fire chief Daniel Nigro
In the video info I have other quotes from the fireman. Why can't you see them?
representativepress 6 months ago
@DanFrederiksen I think the firemen know what they are talking about. as far as video. I can see with the towers the inward bowing of the exterior columns. THere is video showing the failure taking place as the inward bowing becomes extreme and the building collapses on video. It collapses right at the point of the inward boing and you can see video of it happening.
representativepress 6 months ago
@representativepress you mean you believe the firemen who said it was going to fall. and not the firemen who said there were demolition explosions all down the building. boom boom boom boom boom. that's a quote.
we can't afford to just believe officials when thermite is found in the rubble. you of all people should appreciate the fallacy of blind faith in authority.
you choose to believe these firemen but not the ones who experiences explosions inside the twin towers. you see the problem?
DanFrederiksen 6 months ago
@DanFrederiksen SOUNDS, SOUNDS of explosions are not necessarily "demolition explosions" and in this case they clearly were not. THere were loud sounds of many things well before the collapses, including bodies hitting the ground from jumpers. Many of the sounds were well before the collapses and obviously not "controlled demolition" sounds. IT makes no sense to insist that bombs would be set off hours before the collapses. I already told you, we can see the point of failure – NO EXPLOSION.
representativepress 6 months ago
@DanFrederiksen that is NOT the quote. "It is AS IF the building is being imploded, from the top floor down, one after another, boom, boom, boom." AS IF (but he is describing what he thought it sounded like, he didn't say "IT WAS"
representativepress 6 months ago
Do you not understand that we can see the points of failure of the towers? You don't understand that the inward bowing got progressively worse? We can see the bowing getting worse all the way to the point of failure.
representativepress 6 months ago
@representativepress yes I accept that local failures were observed. global failure was also observed. I'm just entirely too intelligent to make the unfounded leap that nothing unseen added to the cause of the local failure or that the local failure logically dictates total collapse. you make those leaps without logical foundation.
there a many examples of substantial partial collapse of steel buildings without global collapse. there are at least 3 steel buildings that dropped a floor in Kobe
DanFrederiksen 6 months ago
@DanFrederiksen The Kader Toy Factory fire is an example of total collapse. Buildings 1, 2, and 3 all collapsed as a result of that fire.
representativepress 6 months ago
@representativepress you don't even know how the kader factory looked do you?
it was not a highrise and it was a global fire. nor do you know if it was built to any standard. yet you invoke it to close your eyes to the plethora of evidence that WTC was controlled demolition.
a guy in the basement who had his skin blown off did not confuse that event with the splash of people falling onto the street.
I know it's not easy to accept that people with such audacity exist but that is the evidence.
DanFrederiksen 6 months ago
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shmenetto 6 months ago
@DanFrederiksen skin hanging off is CLASSIC fire injury. that is what happens. Bombs would plow someone apart. Fires can make human skin come pealing off. and that was in the basement for goodness sakes and an hour before the collapses! The buildings collapses from the top so what you are saying makes no sense at all. STOP making a mockery out of 9/11
representativepress 6 months ago
@representativepress you don't deal with the points I make, you just flee to other weak points so I wont spend more time on you
DanFrederiksen 6 months ago
@DanFrederiksen you "point" was that a building didn't collapse due to a fire. I told you that just because fire can cause a total collapse does not mean that it will always cause one. you want to play games. I quoted FIrehouse MAgazine were the point is made that there is indeed a "collapse threat"
representativepress 6 months ago
DanFrederiksen Is there a collapse threat with a steel-framed high-rise that relies on some type of spray-on fireproofing to protect the steel? YES, as FIrehouse magazine was saying as early as 1998. CRYSTAL CLEAR: "In the past, that was taken to mean that they would never be a serious collapse threat. While this is usually the case in the completed structures, IT IS NOT a guarantee, particularly in the steel-framed high-rise that relies on some type of spray-on fireproofing (as WTC towers did!)
representativepress 6 months ago
@representativepress this perspective on WTC7 is also particularly devastating:
informationliberation. com/?id=26526
I can't ask you to handle it but I can ask you to not pretend the demolition theory is foolish.
DanFrederiksen 6 months ago
@DanFrederiksen you seem to have a serious problem with reasoning. Do you honestly think that ONLY if fires could cause a totally collapse that it means that it will ALWAYS cause a total collapse? What is the problem here? there is a reason fire proofing is applied to steel. Steel is vulnerable to fire. DId you watch my videos or not? Did you see what I pointed out in my video "Gage Tells 9/11 Lies, See Bowing Debunks 'Controlled Demolition'" about what firemen were saying in 1998?
representativepress 6 months ago
@DanFrederiksen "Class 1 (fire-resistive) buildings typical of high-rise construction usually are designated as having three- or four-hour fire resistance ratings. In the past, that was taken to mean that they would never be a serious collapse threat. While this is usually the case in the completed structures, IT IS NOT a guarantee, particularly in the steel-framed high-rise that relies on some type of spray-on or membrane fireproofing to protect the steel" Firehouse Magazine Sept. 1998
representativepress 6 months ago
@representativepress No, many firemen reported on secondary explosions(including on the lower floors). I don't think they are lying. Do you? By the way, you pretend to know a lot about structural engineering. What are your credentials?
newjack31622 6 months ago 6
@newjack31622 "Controlled demolitions" are NOT done by setting of explosives an hour before the building si to come down. And the towers collapsed from the top so again it makes no sense waht you are saying. I know firemen reported hearing explosions. Jet fuel, which many people smelled that day, did explode and it did explode down elevator shafts. Also, elevators came crashing down, do you think that would make an explosive sound? ANd bodies impacting the ground also made explosive sounds.
representativepress 6 months ago
@representativepress So you basically admit you have no credentials concerning structural engineering and you choose to believe NIST(the government) over 1,500 and growing every day INDEPENDENT engineers? You know what that makes you right Tom? And you're trotting out the "jet fuel went all the way down the elevator shafts! Honest!" bullshit line too? Really?
newjack31622 6 months ago
@representativepress /watch?v=d_u9Ni6jHfw
They said NOTHING about "bodies hitting the ground" or jet fuel being the source of the EXPLOSIVE sounds. They even use the words "secondary explosions". But what do they know? They're just firefighters that were there that day right? You are a useful idiot or controlled opposition. And get a voice over guy while you're at it.
newjack31622 6 months ago
@newjack31622 "secondary explosions" yes, the first being the explosion of the plane impact WHICH WASN"T a "CONTROLLED DEMOLITION" BOMB EITHER.
representativepress 6 months ago
@representativepress Apparently you didn't watch the clip. That was after the planes hit and they said "multiple" as in at least 3. Guess the floors "pancaked" too huh genius? Oh wait, even your boys at NIST were forced to abandon that one...(you keep ignoring the Mossad angle too I noticed. "document the event" right Tom? You trust em right?)
newjack31622 6 months ago
@newjack31622 IF you look at the timelines, you can see that there is no proof that the 5 celebrating Israelis were there BEFORE the first impact. Fox News got the story wrong, they base their article on a NYT article. If you look at that source, you can see the witness spotted the men AFTER the crash. Look at the source.
representativepress 6 months ago
@representativepress WRONG. The Israelis(3 of them) themselves went on Israeli tv because they were caught red handed and and thats when they sheepishly offered up the "documenting the event" trope that dupes like you apparently believe. You are simply lying and/or wrong. I checked the timeline and heard the lame ass excuse.
newjack31622 6 months ago
@newjack31622 you don't have to have prior knowledge of an event in order to document an event. There were plenty of people who pointed cameras at the towers. Not many people celebrated. Instead of focusing on the ugliness of them celebrating, you make an accusation of what exactly?
representativepress 6 months ago
@representativepress Look at how far you are reaching Tom. Or should I say how far you are bending over for these Mossad agents as well as the other Israelis and American traitors who did 9/11. How about the ones caught on the GW bridge with explosives? Or the HUNDREDS in the spy ring swept up after 9/11(and sent home by Chertoff etc.)? Do you have some excuses for them too? Look at yourself. Its pathetic.
newjack31622 6 months ago
@newjack31622 On what basis do you connect those guys with the hijackings?!?
representativepress 6 months ago
@newjack31622 And the GW Bridge story is another one that was missreported. VERY soon after it was clariffied that it was susspecion and NOT definative that there were explosives.
representativepress 6 months ago
@representativepress "Not definitive" huh? Do you think I was born yesterday? Or are you just hoping your readers/subscribers were? You know how specious the after the fact MSM spin job is. The initial story speaks volumes. You are protecting Mossad agents. The ones caught on GW bridge even tried to blame Palestinians for 9/11. Gee, why would they do that? 9/11 was an Israeli/American job and you are protecting the perps with your lazy "debunking" job. Good thing its a massive failure.
newjack31622 6 months ago
@representativepress Misreported when? When the INITIAL story came out talking of explosives or the OBVIOUS media spin afterwards saying it was "unclear"? How naive are you? Or are you just playing dumb and pretending that the media doesn't spin things after its clear who they need to protect? Like say Mossad agents caught red handed on 9/11?
newjack31622 6 months ago
@newjack31622 The police said there weren't explosives, NOT "the media"
representativepress 6 months ago
@representativepress The van tested positive. You fail.
newjack31622 6 months ago
@newjack31622 Law enforcement does NOT and was not saying that there were explosives.
representativepress 6 months ago
@representativepress ABC 20/20-"The police and FBI field agents became very suspicious when they found maps of the city with certain places highlighted, box cutters (the same items that the hijackers supposedly used), $4700 cash stuffed in a sock, and foreign passports. Police also told the Bergen Record that bomb sniffing dogs were brought to the van and that they reacted as if they had smelled explosives." OOPS! Wrong again Tom. Lies or ignorance on your part?
newjack31622 6 months ago
@newjack31622 There were no explosives in the van. "as if they had smelled explosive" "AS IF" doesn't mean the dogs were correctly finding explosives. Police looked, there were none. And that is what the police say and had said VERY soon after.
representativepress 6 months ago
@representativepress No source? You're reaching really hard here. Do you believe in the magic bullet too? The van tested positive and no spin after the fact is going to change that. You are sitting here spinning and making every excuse you can for these obviously guilty Mossad agents caught on 9/11. This speaks volumes about you. Your motives are becoming more clear with every weak excuse you make on behalf of these agents.
newjack31622 6 months ago
@newjack31622 Also, if they were really on the ball, they would have said al-Qaeda attacked you, we are not your problem. So their answer wasn't neither accurate or clever.
representativepress 6 months ago
@representativepress LOL! You're a joke. Keep digging that hole Tom. Again, you're sitting here making excuses for Mossad agents, and no excuse is too ridiculous for you to push. You HAVE to know what this looks like.
newjack31622 6 months ago
@newjack31622 DId you read this: GOOGLE: A_truckload_of_explosives
representativepress 6 months ago
@newjack31622 you keep saying "tested" WHAT test? Do you think the dogs are a "test"? Do you think dogs are always correct? In a tense situation with their handlers having see the horror of the day, how do you know those dogs are 100% accurate?
representativepress 6 months ago
@representativepress I'm trying to keep a tally here. Is this excuse #13 or 14 that you've made for the Mossad agents caught on 9/11 in NYC? Just wondering.
newjack31622 6 months ago
@newjack31622 READ THIS: "If the conspirators are in control of the police, then why did the report of explosives ever reach the media? If that was because they don't control all the police, then why are the officers on the scene, who would have known all about this, gone along with a cover-up? Are we really to believe that, if there was any hint of these incidents connecting to 9/11, that officers who had seen so many colleagues killed that day wouldn't have exposed them?"
representativepress 6 months ago
@representativepress Good for you,you can troll "debunker" sites. At least one of the cops there gave an interview stating how strange he found the whole thing. And you assume the others did not say anything to their superiors and you also assume that police departments are not corruptable. I'm sure you heard the latest story of the CIA working in the NYPD right? Not all cops are dirty but many at the top are. Ignore this FACT if you want but its pretty evident. And Sirhan killed RFK right Tom?
newjack31622 6 months ago
@newjack31622 Do you know Sirhan Sirhan's motive? Are you always misdirecting people from knowing about cases were anger at US support of Israel motivates an attack?
representativepress 6 months ago
@representativepress Let the record show that not only does Tom believe(or push) the 9/11 lies but he also believes that Sirhan Sirhan killed RFK. Are there any lies you will not swallow? Or do you only swallow the big ones that change the course of US(and world) history for the worse? I see a pattern. "His motives". Thats how you fool a fool into buying into the lies if they don't believe the "hate us for our freedoms" bullshit that neocons buy into.You're the other side of the duped coin.
newjack31622 6 months ago
@newjack31622 so you want us to believe that secret agents who are "serving Israel's interests" are at the same time "making up" the fact that people are targeting the US for attack because of their anger at US support of Israel? That doesn't make sense.
representativepress 6 months ago
@representativepress No, I just don't believe that Oswald did it, or that Sirhan Sirhan did it, no matter how pure the motives ascribed to him were to you or anybody else. Same with 9/11, the "motives" crap is for Chomsky fans unwilling to confront false flag attacks for what they are. There are many legitimate reasons to be angry with Israel and US support of it. The biggest reason would be Israels willingness to attack America(USS LIberty,9/11 etc.) if it serves its interests to do so.
newjack31622 6 months ago 2
@representativepress Blowback is a very real phenomenon. Its not what happened on 9/11(or RFK for that matter). That is the excuse used to fool the people who don't fall for the "hate our freedoms" fear monger crap. You were either fooled yourself or are actively trying to fool leftists into thinking 9/11 happened how the MSM and feds told us it did. Nice try. Its not going to work for long, its already falling apart.
newjack31622 6 months ago 2
@newjack31622 It makes no sence at all, how the hell do you conect them to hijackings of planes. and it is a totally different MO. How are you making this weird association?
representativepress 6 months ago
@representativepress Ask Dov Zakheim about the planes. Oh right, you're in the business of protecting scum like him, not questioning him.
newjack31622 6 months ago
@newjack31622 Nafeez Ahmed omited key info from the article he cited: "Sources also said that bomb-sniffing dogs reacted as if they had detected explosives, although officers were unable to find anything. The FBI seized the van for further testing, authorities said."
representativepress 6 months ago
@representativepress You're splitting hairs like nobody Ive ever seen. And you're also very trusting of our corporate owned media. Because they ALWAYS follow up on politically sensitive and pardon the pun, explosive stories concerning Israel right? You are so naive, so gullible.
newjack31622 6 months ago
@newjack31622 red handed doing what?
representativepress 6 months ago
@representativepress Its pretty obvious what. Lets see-during the 9/11 attack they(Mossad agents) were caught on the GW bridge with a van that tested positive for explosives, AND they tried to convince the cops that the "Palestinians were the problem". Yeah, nothing suspicious about that right Tom? Mossad thanks you.
newjack31622 6 months ago
@newjack31622 ISraelis pulled over who were seen celebrating. How in the world do you think it proves involvement?
representativepress 6 months ago
@representativepress "The New York Times reported Thursday that a group of five men had set up video cameras aimed at the Twin Towers prior to the attack on Tuesday, and were seen congratulating one another afterwards."Add in other Israelis caught on 9/11,Silverstein,Frank Lowy,Dov Zakheim and many others and its clear who was involved in 9/11 and its clear who you are protecting.Don't give me your cred building crap,I know you "take on Israel" while protecting the one lie that could ruin them.
newjack31622 6 months ago
@representativepress That says "prior to the attack" by the way. Look at yourself, you are sitting here making excuses for Mossad agents. Literally. You must know what this looks like.
newjack31622 6 months ago
@newjack31622 As I already told you, Fox News got it wrong. Look at the NYT, it does NOT say "prior to the attack"
representativepress 6 months ago
@representativepress Well you believe them right? That it wasn't prior to the attack? You trust Mossad right?"According to ABC’s 20/20, when the van belonging to the cheering Israelis was stopped by the police, the driver of the van, Sivan Kurzberg, told the officers:
"We are Israelis. We are not your problem. Your problems are our problems. The Palestinians are your problem."
Now why would they say that Tom? Thats not suspicious is it? Are you kidding me?
newjack31622 6 months ago
@newjack31622 it has nothing to do with "trusting the Mossad." I showed you that the NYT article which Fox News uses as its source does NOT say what Fox claimed it said.
representativepress 6 months ago
@representativepress You did no such thing. And even if you had provided a source and not a random claim are you now going to pretend that the media does not lie about big events after the fact for various reasons? Seriously? A real researcher knows that initial media reports are always closest to the truth because the "official story" has not been molded fully yet. The media is at its most honest when things are first breaking. You're a hack.
newjack31622 6 months ago
@newjack31622 Well, I think they would say that because they are Israelis. I think they would say that because they didn't want to be hassled or worse.
representativepress 6 months ago
@representativepress So you DO trust them. Yeah, they would blame Palestinians because that was the whole point of 9/11 for the Israelis involved-to make their enemies Americas enemies. To set the stage for endless wars against arab nations surrounding Israel-wars that America would fight for them. This is your most pathetic excuse yet for the Mossad and the American traitors involved in 9/11. Very weak.
newjack31622 6 months ago
@newjack31622 AMerica WAS ALREADY SERVING ISRAEL'S INTERESTS! you claim about 9/11 is ignorant.
representativepress 6 months ago
@representativepress Not on the level we are now. Iraq would have nver been sellable without 9/11 and you know it. Thats why even PNAC(mostly zionists) admitted before 9/11 that to get at Iraq they would need a "pearl harbor" event. Talk about ignorant, look in a mirror, you're falling apart here.
newjack31622 6 months ago
@newjack31622 NIST was not "forced to abandon" anything because they never put forth the theory that collapse initiation was due to pancaking floors. So you have spread more misinformation.
representativepress 6 months ago
@representativepress Wrong, the initial theory that was floated out there for idiots like you was "pancaking" but even NIST had to back off of it. Nice try liar.
newjack31622 6 months ago
@newjack31622 NIST never said pancaking was the collapse mechanism. You simply don't know what you are talking about if you think NIST made that claim.
representativepress 6 months ago
@representativepress Well you would know what NIST says right, considering your blind trust of them? Anyway, NIST was forced to admit the "pancake" collapse was not realistic after morons like you pushed that theory. Point being that the best guess for those trying to explain how the buildings came down without explosives is completely unrealistic and not possible and even gov stooges at NIST were forced to admit this.
newjack31622 6 months ago
@representativepress Oh and Tom, you trust the Mossad agents that were taping the attack "to document the event" right? You take them at their word right? Dov Zakheim,Dick Cheney,Larry Silverstein etc. thank you for your gullibility. You are an asset to the neocon/zionist warmonger trash no matter how much you nibble around the edges because in the end you allow them their biggest trump card.
newjack31622 6 months ago
@representativepress and you did another thing wrong. you ignored all my points and only indirectly responded to the WTC7 issue because you thought you could dispel that. you don't get to cherry pick what you want to deal with. you have to deal with it all. holistically. only a coherent picture can be the truth. not easy outs
DanFrederiksen 6 months ago
@DanFrederiksen What did Fire Chief Nigro say?
representativepress 6 months ago
@representativepress you quote him as saying firemen and companies said the building integrity was in doubt.
who were these people, how could they know that? did any of them make a detailed report about it? did any of them take pictures to document it? did any of them write a book about this spectacular event?
the guy in the video said the building was leaning, another said there was a bulge at the corner between floors 10 and 13. which is it?
and why believe these and not the others. holistics
DanFrederiksen 6 months ago
BBC reporting the fall of WTC7 20 minutes before it fell and with a live view of the building as a backdrop is also a cute detail that you don't deal with.
if WTC7 could fall from those tiny fires that would be a sensation in highrise engineering. for a building to be that fragile is simply unthinkable. and there is more.
Larry Silverstein didn't go to work that day.
there was anomalous trading on the stock market of airlines the day before.
also rumors that jews were warned to not go to work.
DanFrederiksen 6 months ago
@representativepress oh I forgot. you haven't addressed the thermite chemical residue found. nor the pools of molten steel found in the rubble weeks after the falls. weeks and still molten.
also some of the columns were found with a 45 degree cut which means the column pushes itself out to the side under the weigh. afaik that's a technique also used industrially.
there are many paranoid conspiracies around but 9/11 has overwhelming evidence. I'm afraid there is certainty. they did it.
DanFrederiksen 6 months ago
@representativepress It absolutely makes perfect sense to blame a group in "al qaeda" that you can chase from one country to the next and use as a catch-all. They didn't need to blame Iraq directly and it wouldn't make sense to because Saddam/Iraq would fight those allegations. Kind of hard for an essentially made up group-"al qaeda" to deny responsibilty if they essentially don't exist. "Al qaeda" was the perfect patsy. You are pretty slow.
newjack31622 6 months ago 2
@newjack31622 The Iraq war is transparently illegal. If the powers that be wanted an excuse, how in the world does 9/11 make any sense since it had nothing to do with Iraq.
representativepress 6 months ago
@representativepress You cant be this dense. HELLO, PNAC. Even they admit that the Iraq war was not sellable without a "new pearl harbor" event, sort of like 9/11. You have heard of PNAC right Tom? The Iraq war could have never been sold without the fear of 9/11 fresh in Americans minds. You know it. I know it. Stop playing dumb.
newjack31622 6 months ago
Regardless whether we need this particular agency, I agree with RepPress that our government's spending priorities (and conversely, what we're willing to cut) are ridiculous.
heymisterderp 6 months ago
This Hurricane sucked.
SpraxIAKS 6 months ago
NOAA is 40 years old. What did the USA do before NOAA? People still received weather reports right?
Time to cut that particular Federal Agency that we cannot afford. FEMA too!
cooperbry 6 months ago
@cooperbry "NOAA formed a conglomeration of three existing agencies that were among the oldest in the Federal Government. They were the United States Coast and Geodetic Survey, formed in 1807; the Weather Bureau, formed in 1870; and the Bureau of Commercial Fisheries, formed in 1871." - wikipedia
A modern nation needs to function, you should expand your information sources and stop following extremists.
representativepress 6 months ago
@representativepress Just because Warren Buffet thinks he isn't taxed enough doesn't mean that I feel the same way (or agree with him). It's not an extreme position just because it's not in agreement with your position.
I suppose that you think it's perfectly fine that the current budget deficit is 1.3 trillion dollars? That's just a one year deficit. I suppose you think it's perfectly fine that our debt is so large, that our fiscal status is on par with Greece?
And I'm extreme?
cooperbry 6 months ago
Can't we just have a balanced tax that is not outrageously high or outrageously low.
1Historygenius 6 months ago
Seems strange that DC had inside info that the earth quake originating in Va was coming in advance as the govt in DC had evacuated prior to the 5.9 quake hit.
THEUSSLIBERTY67 6 months ago
You're usually okay when it comes to foreign policy, but when you're talking domestic policy it's the usual far left ramblings of economic illiterates. The tax cuts for the rich were extended by Obama fist of all, it's his tax cuts now. Second, the tax cut package as a whole made the tax code more progressive. Third, it will not do anything to the deficit, absolutely nothing. Neither will cutting the weather service though. Which is why this discussion is derailed before it even started.
Visfen 6 months ago
I don't trust Warren Buffet, and think taxes should be raised for people who make 500,000 dollars or more AFTER takes. I know that's big, but people who can rake in 500,000 dollars a year before taxes are still in the small business bracket. I personally feel that I am taxed waay too much under the current tax rules and I don't make anywhere near 250,000 a year. I also agree with your complaint about tax cut priorities. Duplicitous gov. agencies, foreign aid and all subsides should be cut.
Quranite 6 months ago
When you refer to "they" that would include RepubliCON Eric Cantor who has no problem increasing funding to the porker military machine
2cOthers 6 months ago
Taxation is THEFT. No way around it. A "National Weather Service" does not have to be funded through coercion and can still exist without taking money by force from peaceful people,
landofthefreemyass 6 months ago
Really quality stuff, I'll subscribe.
PhysicallyMental 6 months ago
@PhysicallyMental thank you.
representativepress 6 months ago
Long live Israel. Down with radical islam. Arabs have ALL the rights as the Jewish people.To hell with the muslim brotherhood.
cliffyknight 6 months ago
Research how many members of Congress have had their wealth quadruple while mine had plummeted.
cliffyknight 6 months ago
Buffet has no problem giving BofA 5 billion.
cliffyknight 6 months ago
It is absolutely true. Georg W. Was no better. Why do you suppose Buffet hasn't written a check to the Gov. If he feels he doesn't pay enough?
cliffyknight 6 months ago
@cliffyknight He wrote a completely reasonable article. Your suggestion is stupid because the point was that the rate for ALL of the super rich people in the tax brackets he is talking about should changed from the irresponsibly low levels that Bush pushed. You don't understand how ridiculous your suggestion is? Buffet wrote the op-ed because he knows it ISN'T JUST HIM that doesn't pay enough. And JUST him paying more doesn't solve the problem. He is suggesting a real solution, not symbolism.
representativepress 6 months ago
@cliffyknight You make Buffett sound like a money-hording skinflint. Buffett has donated 3B to the Gates foundation, and plans on donating 99% of his wealth.
boredtodelusionFan 6 months ago
Welcome to Obama's Trickle up poverty. When close to 1/2 pay nothing the other 1/2 support them. I've never been thanked by some1 on the dole.
cliffyknight 6 months ago
@cliffyknight that isn't true. and check out what Warren Buffet has recently said about this outrageous sittution (he agrees with me) Link in the video info
representativepress 6 months ago
What exactly is "super rich"
judoskeleton 6 months ago
@judoskeleton Warren Buffet has written an article which should help answer your question, it's called "Stop Coddling the Super-Rich." It begins "Our leaders have asked for “shared sacrifice.” But when they did the asking, they spared me. I checked with my mega-rich friends to learn what pain they were expecting. They, too, were left untouched. .. while most Americans struggle to make ends meet, we mega-rich continue to get our extraordinary tax breaks. ..." I'll put a link in the video info.
representativepress 6 months ago
liking this vid mate, keep it up.
TheSolidsnake41 6 months ago
Why were there tax cuts in the first place? I don't get it.
Timei 6 months ago
Tell you what, how about they raise taxes to what they were under Reagan? Can you imagine the incandescence? The spittle flying? And Reagan, these day, is hailed as some kind of super-saint regarding fiscal responsibility!
InvincibleIronyMan 6 months ago
today's rich are not like the Anglo Saxon financial elites who believed in nobless oblige and cared about the welfare of those they ruled. The world would be a better place without jews because they are the ones destroying us.
annisisbell 6 months ago
Question, if the main news channels get their info from the national weather service why can't THEY pay to fund it rather than regular tax payers? sounds like an idea
IllichSketchShow 6 months ago
So, what are you all going to do about it.... Just sit back and whinge? or are you going to take the thugs, who are destroying your country, by the throats and throttle them?
Love
Lalita
Lalitamusic 6 months ago
Awesome stuff RP. Looking forward to the gutting of the MSM and Truthers.
ScottishAtheist 6 months ago
I really hope Hurricane Irene decimates New york (just like Katrina did with New Orleans), where the wall street crooks do their fraud schemes and money laundering. Good riddance to the NYSE.
hellgorama 6 months ago 3
so what was wrong with the flat tax again?
th86stone 6 months ago
Leave America.
Go to South America/Canada/Europe.
Every place is better then the soon to be Police state , land of the free.
Ridiculous how much America has changed over the years and that the inhabitants let it happen is just sad.
alexicon89 6 months ago 2
@alexicon89 So long as they have their guns and bibles they don't care about anything else.
SlightyDisturbedNBK 6 months ago
Fox news cries "class warfare!" lol
suprahmed 6 months ago
The Federal Government should not be taxing anyone. They should only tax corporations and tariff trade. They are doing neither. Its completely backwards. Governments lie too much to be in charge of the Weather alert system. There is always a better way to fund services than a federal Government. ALWAYS
btigtime2 6 months ago
Huge tsunami in new York!!!! Height 1 inch
Run for your lives!!!!!!
esh1 6 months ago