Psystar's OpenMac

[AkkeDaBest]

apple fanboy.

[MrJ0mmy]

wild nigger appears 

[tylerblogger]

.....It doesn't seem like you've used a hackintosh.

I'd say you should be willing to give this case some merit given that it was taken by a pretty prestigious law firm

[MajorMaverick4eva]

I have a hackintosh never had a problem i update all the time im running snow leopard 10.6.3 has i write this

[Ch1pmunknation]

To own one is breaking the eula but is still legal,selling is breaking the dmca which is illegal.

[AndrewFaulds]

actually breaking the eula is illegal, as the eula is what allows you to make a copy (I.e install the software).

When you break the eula, copyright law means you can't install or use it.

[dalahast06]

Hey you ignorant moron! Read upon law and eula and remake the video.

If they are only breaking Eula then its perfectly legal.

In EU this is a open n shut case. Apple would loose, as loong as it is a legit copy of OSX.

Only in the US would this be a problem.

the OSX86 scene is big. You think a half a million users are wrong? :)

If I buy something in the EU I can do whatever I whant with it for personal use. I can make it to a toaster and stick it up my ass if I would like to.

[TalesOfWar]

Psytar lost the summary judgement in California. What they're doing IS illegal, it's against the EULA and against the DMCA. Apple doesn't really care so much about OSX86, it's a personal project. There's a MASSIVE difference between "for personal use" and actually SELLING it. What Psystar are doing is 100% illegal, even in the EU it would be illegal. Commercial and personal are NOT the same thing. It's like copying a CD for personal back up, that's fine, but if you sold those copies, illegal.

[dalahast06]

psystar are charged since they are modifiing the OS. that is however illigal for sales.

If the machine is "capable" of OSX and the osx sold seperatly there is no problem.

But psystar are running on a modfied kernel.

[maw88ify]

I'm with all the other hackintosh users they are fun, and I never call tech support for my PC so why the hell would I call them for my hackintosh ? I don't update my Linux, or Windows any more it always causes problems... so I wouldn't update Psystar... :D

There is also PearPC , vmware, and osx86project ... And some other Virtual software that runs Mac OS on PC .... YES they all work... but no most of them you can't up date... or shouldn't ...

[knightterror1]

I had a AMD hackintosh for long time it ran fine it now runs Dream Linux because I see no benefit of OSX over Linux when Linux is just as good if not better and its 100% free and legal.

As for psystar, you can run OSX on a $200 netbook if that was your thing and for cheaper.

[pcmuzicpro]

@knightterror1 agreed i run linux 2 fellow linuxer lol

[surgeyX]

PsyStar computers are not for morons who need to contact support. If you read and use google you can figure out how to solve your own problems.

I've had a hackintosh for years, it works fine as long as you're not a complete idiot -- and take the time to learn and read.

[roger767]

hackintoshes are fun to use, you can get a taste of Mac OSX. But its not reliable. You either need to make backups constantly or just save money and buy a Mac.

[ericn9vjg]

See the FAQ section at psystar's site. The claim to support updates: "Psystar fully supports OS updates using the built in automatic update utility in each OS."

[laurencefrazer]

you rule man for saying not to buy this, anyways mac's are not pc's they are a complete different form of computer, thats the point in why apple do not allow their software on a pc! if you open a mac and compair it to a pc you will be surprised on how different it is, and yes you get what you pay for! i just had to get my point across

[muk546]

phystar sucks

[moisesparra0904]

ufff men i was that close to buy one psystar computer thanks am going to wait a little bit to buy a real mac p[ro

[st0ph8in]

ROSS!!!

[FunIsPhun]

Apple dropped the hammer on Psystar. Lawsuit filed. No more computers form them anymore.

[pcrox200]

yes there is.....

[AllStarDeal79]

well when this is over, there wont lol.

[pimpinpenz]

this is no scam or bad news thesae computers rock i am goona get the open pro much cheaper than any apple computer with just as good features! also there was a law suite in progress right now and it looks like pystar is winning!

[AllStarDeal79]

there not...lol there getting there ass kickd. Then again you posted this 6 months ago....

[pimpinpenz]

lol i know theyre getting there ss handed to them im glad i didnt buy a psystar

[AllStarDeal79]

Yeah, it would suck if you ran into a problem too and couldn't get it fixed.

[theturtlebee]

dont get me wrong hellprince1, but what their hardware? im not sayin im smart but im not stupid either. getting mac certified system for the price i can get from any other manufacturer for one third of a mac tagged price and burning the bios -cmos chip or whatever it is for mac efi is just cooler. mainly, cheaper.

[theturtlebee]

So youre sayin that If I buy Mac OS X in ie bestbuy I cant install it in my desktop computer? That really is so stupid! Apples hardware? WTF? You know Intel? Do you know nVidia? There is nothing that belongs to apple except their OS which I can install into any x86 platform no matter how crossed fingers of Steve Jobs might be. Cuz If I sell you computer for 280 and add OS X for extra 120 there is no way its illegal unless I preinstalled it. Apple dont want big secret let out. Thats all. I know.

[hellprince1]

It is not stupid... You are being stupid if you buy it from the store, knowing you can't run it! Like buying a car with no car license!

Apple are pretty smart doing that! Like Digidesign and ProTools... Only available on their hardware!

[mrkeeboard]

Good words of advice. I'd get and keep one as a test machine so I don't mess up my good system. Since I keep my Mac offline and use my PC for the net, my Exploits risk is nil.

[paulDIAT]

Well, authorities state that downloading music is illegal but people still do it. I know I do, I know thousands of people who aren't so different, with movies in the equation also. So why is this so different? Music companies are losing money from downloading, now Apple will. You know what I say to that? Good. Their stocks are running at $180/share, and they've profited billions from their iPods. If you say this is an issue then you might as well discuss illegal music and movie downloads, too.

[mdrumt]

agreed. iobuffa prob has some dl's music, games AND movies on his pc! security issues with a mac? even if there was a security issue it probably still wouldnt be as bad as a xp or vista machine! lol

[iJomo08]

Awesome advice, amazingly structured video. Great channel by the looks of things i'm gonna take a look around your videos, you made a new subscriber out of me today :)

[leodime]

Apple is gonna have some trouble winning this case. It's actually illegal to sell any OS as a standalone because it's illegal in many countries to sell a license to buy something.

[Leethellama]

your 100% right!

[jadetraveler]

OS X only runs on a fairly limited set of hardware, which means the hardware in a hackintosh has to be fairly close to what's in an actual Mac; so, the argument that hackintoshes are less stable than actual Macs doesn't really make sense to me. Also, since Macs use USB and PCI, pretty much any company can make a device for a Mac. So the argument about "no driver hell" on a Mac doesn't really hold water.

[vicktorvaughn01]

my sentiments exactly...currently testing a hackintosh on a buddies computer and it was built with hardware that supports efi...basically a mac config that is upgradable...if you take the time and get the right parts keeping to usb and pci you can install vanilla kernals and update using the mac website ;)...the hackintosh should be identical to a mac after that...

[theinneruniverse]

I'd need to see this product out for a year before I feel its vetted enough to buy it. And the crazy thing is, who knows if Psystar will even be around in a year?

If you really think Apple, AND Microsoft, are gonna let this go you need to hook me up with the dealer of what ever it is you're smoking.

[johnrolandyeiseriii]

Check Cnet they got one and did an unbox. They are taking it to the lab to do testing.  Check it out

[jfizz313]

yea i know people talking about scam scam scam shut up

[monilove6]

I don't have a mac but if I want computer that can run OS X, I will definitely buy a apple computer from the Apple store, because who in hell is going buy something that is not supported and any big update from Apple will break the system and make it useless.

[segnale007]

I agree everything ... don't do it ...

[nunayobiz]

Now that Macs run on intel chips there is no magic "Mac Hardware" that Mac OS X needs to run smoothly on.

I LOVE OS X but if it can be run on something that is $5-600 cheaper than I'd gladly get one.

One problem with this open mac is that judging from the video I saw it's pretty damn loud.

as for updates, I'd be fine without them. I've only done 1 update in about a year

[Leopolev]

A mac mini is $600 Doesn't have the greatest graphics, however, I'd take 100% working over something that we know that doesn't work.

[OwlMovieStudios]

Updates are very important you know, like security updates, new features, ect...

[Leopolev]

What most forget they aren't only messing with Mac, they are messing with EFI as well. Emulating EFI is blatantly copying them. I've seen Hackintoshs and they barely work at best. As buffa said any updates will break the machine.

[radiopillows]

great advice. regardless of legality, there is no reason to jump and get this early. if you must have it just wait it for a bit and see what happens.

[techtalkabbott]

It's nowhere near illegal actually. The EULA is just an agreement between Apple the the user. It is not a controlled by legal forces. The only thing they could get in trouble for, is providing pirated Mac OS X, or using the name OpenMac, which is why they changed the name to Open Computer, and they provide a purchased retail version of Mac OS X. lt runs a Vanilla kernel, which means that the OS will need no patching to run, the Machine will think its a real mac, and updates will work fine.

[brettschulte]

Amen. I hate when that word is misused. If it was "illegal" you could call the police.

[timg455]

Hacking is illegal, and when people do it it doesn't end up with a phone call to the local police station.

[01XCasperX01]

too bad, because i just ordered mine yesterday from their site, im gonna do an unboxing video when i get it.

[ShakaGoldSaint]

They just want to get some attention and so far they're doing a pretty god job. They know it's illegal, the whole "monopoly" crap is just an excuse to make it a big deal. In the end, they'll stop claming that they can ship pcs with osx preinstalled and they will be simply known as a pc maker company... pcs that can run osx!

[astraith]

:-D I uploaded a video too! :-D At any rate, some new info...it's now called Open Computer, and now it can be released with Ubuntu Linux OR Windows XP/Vista. Also, they are planning to challenge the EULA...yea, thats right. Here is their opening defense: [Robert] also said Psystar believes Apple's prohibition against third-party installations might not hold up in court: "What if Honda said that, after you buy their car, you could only drive it on the roads they said you could?"Yea, they will win

[wingeyes]

yeah it probably is a scam but i always wondered why mac didn't just allow their software to be installed in a pc like they allow windows to be installed for mac, it really wouldn't hurt the hardcore mac users, and would allow them to have a bigger market

[primaip]

Apple actually tried that a while ago, but it made the apple OS suck. The reason that apple does this is so apple can have a majorly stable platform.

[calmstillflat]

One of the reasons Apple doesn't allow Third Party hardware, is that it causes problems. OSX works so well because Apple knows the exact system setups that exist, they don't have to cater for 100s of different hardware combinations, from different manufacturers, in the way that Microsoft does.

Why would Apple want to follow the 'make the OS work on any system' path that Microsoft went down? It's not going to well with Vista at the moment is it! I gave up on Windows at 98SE, never regretted it.

[calmstillflat]

@ 'Wingeyes'

[wingeyes]

good answer hehe. that makes sense...prob monopolizing parts doesn't hurt either

[WarByProxy]

my three personal machines including a toshiba laptop took the vista upgrade with no trouble at all. systems were two years to three years old at the time. the drivers that vista didnt have for my comps , promptly were downloaded by vista and installed. its not as bad as some people make out. im having no trouble at all with a very wide range of hardware.

[0TyMoss0]

I would rather just pay a bit more for an actual Mac.

[texasguy8973]

aint nothin like the real thing :)

[0TyMoss0]

Yep.

[bulyot2]

This is bad news for hackintosh users like us...we keep discrete about hackintosh..but this Psystar bullshit takes advantage of it...now apple will be aware of this and tighten their OSX security not to run in non apple hardwares!!

[chaps06]

they have another product for sale as well. The OpenPro w/Leopard for $999. These guys aren't backing down bwana!!

[gunotsoldier50]

i already got a macbook pro and a desktop that quad boots vista, xp, ubuntu, and mac os x leopard. leopard runs flawlessly for me on my hackintosh

[chaps06]

lol good vid.

Apparently the psystar website was down for a few hours and when it went back online it was no longer OpenMac but Open Computer. So I'm assuming some legal actions have been threatened/taken.