tithing, like the promise of abraham, was established BEFORE THE LAW. and Galatians 3:27-29 says those that are baptized into Christ put on Christ and become heirs to the Promise of Abraham....which the LAW does not add to or take away. Those things which were established before the Law, the law had NO AFFECT ON THEM and the freeing from the Law also doesn't affect.
another question is God used that portion to run his church, how are ministries run without funding. no feeding the poor..
6:20 Store your treasures in heaven, where moths and rust cannot destroy, and thieves do not break in and steal. 6:21 Wherever your treasure is, there the desires of your heart will also be.
Remember The Good and faithful servant invested what he was given wisely, so research who or what you support, be it with money, deeds, or time, and do it all in GOD'S name, an investment of great worth.
I never saw a Uhaul following a hearse, you can't take it with you, yes we all need money to give unto Caesar that which is Caesar's, BUT... we must give unto GOD what is GOD'S, be HIS hands and feet on the earth, do HIS will, help others, be CHRIST like, does it mean to give away all your treasures?
Matt 6:19 “Don’t store up treasures here on earth, where moths eat them and rust destroys them, and where thieves break in and steal.
22:40 The entire law and all the demands of the prophets are based on these two commandments. “Thus being to love GOD with all his mind, and heart, and to love thy neighbor as himself, as to say if your blessed then share that blessing.
JESUS summarized them in the next verse, Matt: 22:37 Jesus replied, “you must love the Lord your God with all your heart, all your soul, and all your mind.”
Not what everyone tries to pawn off being nailed to the cross, even those, when asked in Matt 22:36 “Teacher, which is the most important commandment in the law of Moses?”
The Laws given to Moses or the תרי"ג מצוות: taryag mitzvot, "613 Mitzvot" or The 613 Commandments which are the principles of law, ethics, and spiritual practice contained in the Torah or Five Books of Moses.
Upon Receiving HIS Kingdom, The Nobleman (JESUS) returned and asked of HIS servants what they did with the money, or talents HE had given them, the ones that have invested the money or their talents wisely, and have gained interest were given that interest in governorship over the cities.
Verily we should, JESUS explained in HIS parable about the nobleman who went to receive HIS Kingdom...HINT...That Nobleman is JESUS.
HE speaks about giving 10 servants 10 pounds or mina's each, in Luke 19:12, now since this is written and translated in the Greek...the momentary value in Hebrew would be talents, which equals 60 mina's.
So lets summarize here HIS servants were each given money and/or TALENTS...
So your, abilities, knowledge, passions, and skills are all gifts from GOD, we strive to gain these skills to the best of our abilities, through training, teachings, drive, and workmanship. YET... these too are all gifts from GOD, should we then not share the bounty or first fruits of these too?
The soil, seed, water, sunlight, even the osmosis of the growth of the plants, are gifts from GOD, and to show thanks you offer your first fruits, your first yield or harvest...not on an alter, but to a neighbor...lets say an elderly couple, or a struggling family, or of poor health, and this offering is done in GOD'S name, giving HIM the glory, and not self.
Remember we came from dust and will return to dust.
Genesis 3:19 By the sweat of your brow, you will produce food to eat until you return to the ground, because you were taken from it. You are dust, and you will return to dust."
Continued#2--- Now ask yourself do who receive the office of the priesthood, have a commandment to take tithes of the people? YES! Do men still die and live? YES! And if you claim to be a ''Christian'' then you should know your the seed of Abraham and- Jesus saith unto them, If ye were Abraham's children, ye would do the works of Abraham-John 8:39 .Did Abraham Tithe to the Levi Priests?YES! Repent for leading people astray! PAY YOUR TITHES! Receive the WINDOWS of HEAVEN BLESSING! GOD PROMISES!
Continued-- And here men that die receive tithes; but there he receiveth them, of whom it is witnessed that he liveth. And as I may so say, Levi also, who receiveth tithes, payed tithes in Abraham. Hebrews 7:5-9 (KJV) (New Tes). Continue------
And verily they that are of the sons of Levi, who receive the office of the priesthood, have a commandment to take tithes of the people according to the law, that is, of their brethren, though they come out of the loins of Abraham: But he whose descent is not counted from them received tithes of Abraham, and blessed him that had the promises. And without all contradiction the less is blessed of the better. Continue-------
in Acts 20:35 it says In all things I have shown you that by working hard in this way we must help the weak and remember the words of the Lord Jesus, how he himself said, ‘It is more blessed to give than to receive.’”
“Bring the whole tithe into the storehouse, that there may be food in my house. Test me in this,” says the LORD Almighty, “and see if I will not throw open the floodgates of heaven and pour out so much blessing that you will not have room enough for it.” (Malachi 3:10) I dare anyone to cheerfully give tithing a try for a month. If God does not bless you, I will be surprised. God blesses our family beyond measure when we give Him the first of our paycheck each and every month.
Wow, I came onto this page to seek some wisdom about tithing, and as expected I found World War III. I was brought up religious, and have often, with heart, tried tithing. And I still wish to. I understand tithing is meant to be given to where you get your spiritual food. Though at the moment I'm so confused about it all, and no one seems to have an answer. So Im giving my tithe to kids with cancer charity. Im sure God will understand, if not. Then I simply dont care.
i I've worried bout that, most churches seem to have a very mercenary approach to money, it's necessary sure, but when they start threatening you using God as a cover ,I get really perturbed. specially here in Gh, ur blessing is proportional to how much you give, they list the amount you come forward with the others who can afford as much as you can and you are blessed accordingly. that can't be right the same guy who healed lepers and washed feet is a snob? smthin's wrong here. that ain't right
You seem to be judging preachers, which the Bible speaks against. But your quest to broadcast your "truth" comes as though you are discouraging people from giving. It wouldn't be financial bondage if they gave cheerfully. Whether or not the preacher is a scam. Its between the giver and God. The receiver's is not involved. People get blessed through tithing. I think you should get a mentality revamp and try tithing. Cheerfully.
@annor13 -FIRST- God blesses according to HIS will; not YOUR MONEY. SECOND- I NEVER said it was a sin to give tithes. HOWEVER, it is a sin to lie and manipulate bible verses. The bible says, "Do not be led away by diverse and strange teachings."(Heb.13:8.9) We are to beware of false prophets-not go along with their behavior(Matt 7:15). PLEASE STUDY YOUR BIBLE INSTEAD OF FOLLOWING FALSE PROPHETS.
@annor13 You seem to lack understanding, there are 4 Tithes in the bible what are they? and the bible passage to there teaching. Since you posted that tithing should be done cheerfully. 2nd why does the church only teach one tithe and not the other 3 ?? did you know its a sin to tithe in todays day and age........waiting for your reply if you have one
@Soul7Patrol Jesus said "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.". So we should not think that the grace we have through Jesus abolishes practices like tithing. I was hesitant to respond all this time because the Bible in Titus 3:9 says we should "avoid foolish controversies and genealogies and arguments and quarrels about the law, because these are unprofitable and useless." I think I've said enough.
@annor13 You are taking the words of Jesus out of context because when he said on the cross it is finish!! John 19:30 the old law was done away with. Paul who wrote 14 chps of the New testament said in Coloss 2:14-16 also said the old law was done away with at the cross, Galatians 6:2 We are given a new law! Hebrews 8:6-7 a better law 1 Corin 14:37-38 Anyone who ignores the new law will be ignored!! thats why Jesus/Peter/Paul/John didnt tithe!!! I THINK YOU NEED TO STOP GUESSING
With respect to your second question, even if you could make the leap to tithing, you are still left with the fact that FOOD NOT MONEY. You have managed to toss out several scriptures, yet none change that simple fact. If you are concerned with accuracy, why haven't you acknowledged that the tithe was, and always has been, FOOD? You seem to cling to the inaccurate notion, and enjoy the bliss of willful ignorance, that money was NEVER a part of the tithe. Why?
@ndependentwoman Why are you so bent on whether or not it has always been food. God loves a cheerful giver, he's promised us that if we give, it would come back to us pressed down shaken together and running over in good measure. Therefore rather than criticize the act of giving to God (which whether or not under old covenant is still giving) You should focus on encouraging people to be cheerful givers. Whether food or money, it's still giving
@annor13 - One word -ACCURACY. The name of the video is, "Truth Behind Tithing." So many people have been deceived by this tithing manipulation; they are in financial bondage. The pimp preachers, who are the main perpetrators of the tithing myth, thrive on telling people to, "...give 10% or God will curse you!" Therefore it is our responsibility to tell everyone the truth.
@ndependentwoman It's not a sin to give tithes, just like circumcision. The point of the video is making a big deal out of nothing. Let's focus on the constructive aspects of our walk with God and stop setting our eyes on men and their actions.
@ndependentwoman So there's no point to the video. Because the thing is, say we must undoubtedly pay our 10% as tithe. If it's not out of the goodness of your heart there's a problem. We become petty and like Pharisees if we dwell on trivial issues at the expense of the main issues. How much better it would have been if the main essence was 2 Corinth 9:7 and not a judgmental attitude towards preachers
@annor13 -Sorry it's taken so long to get back to you.THE ACCURATE REPRESENTATION OF SCRIPTURE IS NOT A PETTY ISSUE. Actually only preachers who abuse and misrepresent scripture for their own gain are criticized; and with good reason. Again the entire purpose of this video, and my statements, was to explain scriptures-ACCURATELY.Please know there are wolves in sheep's clothing abusing God's word to mislead Christian flock. CLEARLY YOU HAVE CHOSEN TO DRINK THE PROSPERITY GOSPEL COOL-AIDE.
@annor13 -(cont'd) NO WE ARE NOT REQUIRED TO PAY 10%. We, Christians, were NEVER, required to pay 10%. Please read ALL of Malachi and Hebrews chapter 7. The book of Malachi explains; who paid tithes(farmers only), what tithes were(FOOD,NOT MONEY), who received tithes(poor, widows, & Levitical priests) and why(feeding all parties)Again, give according to what is in YOUR heart; not some unscrupulous "minister" who manipulates scripture for a dime out of every dollar you earn.
1st questionSo how do you know that the change in the law refers to tithing?
Again Hebrews 7:18 refers to the entire law, not just a part.
Second, if Jesus said render to Ca seer the things that are Ca seer's and to God the things that are God's would that not imply that there is a portion that belongs to God?
At no time does that scripture support money belonging to God, tithe or otherwise. Instead it reads, "...render the THINGS that are God's unto God..."(cont'd)
" Abraham kept nothing of the spoils of war because he did not want it to be said the Mechelzidek made him rich"
So why does the text say?
And Abram said to the king of Sodom, I have lift up mine hand unto the LORD, the most high God, the possessor of heaven and earth,
That I will not [take] from a thread even to a shoelatchet, and that I will not take any thing that [is] thine, lest thou shouldest say, I have made Abram rich:
Gen 14:22-23 that seem like a contradiction. Am I wrong?
thanks for posting this. I don't necessarily agree however. If you (seedsofgrace or anyone else) would estimate how much of your income you gave to your local church, and then also to the work of the Lord in 2011, would it be well over 10% anyway? I absolutely know and strongly believe it would be. A Jew under the law, in no way outgives a blood bought believer and one who is the recipient of such amazing grace.
We give offerings to the church not tithes. We feed the hungry etc.. We are not under law but under grace. We are in the new covenant. The tithe was actually talking about food in the old testament.
Praise Jesus. For he is a God that doesnt need my money, He doesnt even need efforts. I'm saved. I can do what ever the hell i want to and NO one can do a damn thing to me. Cause im saved.
It's about Jesus and your relationship. If the righteous scarcely be saved where withall shall the sinner be. Whoa to him that causes one of my little ones to stumble for it would be better that a milstone be tied about his neck and he be cast into the sea. Does the Spirit of Christ dwell in you? By there fruits you will know them.....Do you criticize, mock, slander, lie, woa unto you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
the passage in Malachi refering to 'will a man rob God' is so very misrepresented. God was speaking to the Levites! the Levites were taking the tithe and not doing what God commanded of them to do with it. a little research into the Levites and who/what they were will make it clear that God was speaking to them and not the other 11 tribes Isreal.
God doesn't need or want your money He wants you first and foremost. (If) he has you he has all that you are and have. Read Romans 12:1 for biblical tithing then you will be a "free will giver".
And the LORD God commanded the man, “You are free to eat from any tree in the garden; but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat of it you will surely die.” Genesis 2:16-17
Adam had the whole garden BUT God set aside some for himself just as with tithes he has set aside some of for Himself. We now should tithe because it is to help the Church prosper to send missions, outreach, and spread the Gospel.
@toxicdon32506 what verse of scripture reveals to us that God set aside the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil as a tithe unto Himself? The word "tithe' is 1/10 ... did God set aside 1/10 of an evil tree aside for Himself, one time only, as a model for us, that we should give 10% of our gross pay cheques to a church to fund missions - weekly? Please show me your scriptural reference, chapter and verse, I cant wait to see this!
@toxicdon32506 -I agree we should support the church. HOWEVER, the tithing manipulation is based on teaching we are,"cursed" if we don't give ten percent of our income. THIS IS A TOTAL FABRICATION TO GET YOUR MONEY. It has nothing to do with serving God; rather it serves to pay FALSE PREACHERS hefty salaries.
Wow does one so easily forget that we are under a new priesthood? This priesthood includes tithes. You might want to brush up on the bible a little bit.
@RepresentingTruth -Even if you can make a, "new priesthood" argument. The tithes were NEVER money; only food. Those of us who take the time to read and do research on this subject are REQUIRED to inform those who are in bondage to this FALSE teaching.
@RepresentingTruth -FURTHER MANIPULATION! Abram gave from the spoils of war(Hebrews 7:4) NOT INCOME. Abraham kept nothing of the spoils of war because he did not want it to be said the Mechelzidek made him rich. Also this was a ONE TIME donation. Abraham was rich BEFORE he gave the spoils of war tithe. His ONE TIME act in no way suggests Christians today should give 10% of their income-continuously or otherwise.
@RepresentingTruth -Please read further Hebrews 7:11-13 shows tithing was insufficient and there had to be a change in the priesthood. Also please remember tithe was FOOD NOT MONEY. From the often misquoted Malachai 3:8 to Matthew 23:23. Food was always mentioned as the tithe. Speaking of Mat. 23:23, Jesus stated the Saducees and Pharisees, "...kept the letter of the law..." meaning they gave food(mint, anise, and cumin), NOT MONEY.
@RepresentingTruth -Finally, please continue to read Hebrews 7:11-18. It goes into detail to say, "...when there was a change in priesthood, there was a change in the law." So even if you could make the argument of a continuing tithe under the levites; that scripture destroys the concept of further tithing because of the change of the law. Last but not least, Hebrews 7:18 says,"...there was a disannuling of the commandment because of its weakness..." Thanks
@ndependentwoman So how do you know that the change in the law refers to tithing?
Second, if Jesus said render to Ca seer the things that are Ca seer's and to God the things that are God's would that not imply that there is a portion that belongs to God?
@RepresentingTruth You should change your name to Dontknowthetruth, there are 4 tithes in the bible what are they? Why didnt Jesus peter paul and john in the new testament tithe 10% as there isnt one record of them talking on it? pick your game up!!!
ONLY farmers and herdsmen tithed as it was FOOD for POOR Levites with NO LAND to raise any + other POOR. NO others tithed, NOT EVEN JESUS! The TITHE was produce from the FREE gift of the HOLY LAND, HOLY GROUND, HOLY SEED, FULFILLED in CHRIST, OUR BREAD FROM HEAVEN- our LAMB OF GOD!. HOLY! HOLY! HOLY! Money always was FREE WILL giving, not accepted as a TITHE! TITHES ARE HOLY! FREELY GIVE to your church and POOR! BE CAREFUL to whom you give!
@sissifan1968 the levites did raise flocks and grow their own food... they did not own the land and could profit from it, only provide for themsleves. they could not leave an inheritance ( they could not profit and become wealthy) it clealy states that the levites tended their own fields and to their own flocks many many times in the bible. the levites were the government for the people and if they were to become wealthy they would 'lord' over the people, they still did that with many laws.
@sissifan1968 the levites did raise flocks and grow their own food... they did not own the land and could profit from it, only provide for themsleves. they could not leave an inheritance ( they could not profit and become wealthy) it clearly states that the levites tended their own fields and to their own flocks many many times in the bible. the levites were the government for the people and if they were to become wealthy they would 'lord' over the people, they still did that with many laws.
God does not exercise judgement on earth at this point in time. World hunger, natural devastation, and terrorist attacks are not a result of God's judgement on human beings. Some may say that it is, but those are deceived. God does not want to kill disobedient children anymore than I would want to take the life of my children for their disobedience. Jeremiah 29:11 says "For I know the thoughts that I think toward you, thoughts of peace and not of evil, to give you an expected end.
Listen, Saints!!!! Tithing is not about being part of the law or not part of the law! In Malachi 3:10 we are given a promise by God..(that is, by tithing we will receive many blessings!!!) Our freedom comes in choosing to enter into this covenant of tithe. You are correct in saying we are not obligated, but faith pleases God...and, trust me, it takes faith to tithe! In return we are blessed! Though we are no longer imprisoned by the law (Galations 3:23) God's promises do not fail.
You may say, "Bless You" but no one on earth has been authorized by God to envoke his blessings for him" Make your own blessing from your own heart and they should cost time and/or effort because works are cheap and mostly worthless in Gods eyes. Since a dime offered by a person with no money is worth more than millions offered by a billionare. May your prayers bring you may replies!
Jesus does not require you to buy your way into heaven nor can it be done. Serviving others and doing selfless good works will attact those who would become true followers. Your prayers should be private. You must be all alone with Jesus to pray. Group praying is okay but true faith in Jesus is one on one and personal. Do good works humbly and do not seeking any recognition for then it is truely and offering from the heart. Never say, "God Bless You," rather say "May God Bless You."
Pray to your god and tell Him that I don't want Him to want my heart. Instead, pray to Him and tell Him I would rather He help the poor children who die of hunger every year (approx. 30,000 of them). And also tell him to live Atheistic countries like Japan alone and stop KILLING innocent people and ANIMALS!!
Then again your god is a vengeful god isn't He that want us to KILL disobedient children; working on Sabbath; gays; and women who are not virgins on wedding night.
@Velvetroomdj God does not exercise judgement on earth at this point in time. World hunger, natural devastation, and terrorist attacks are not a result of God's judgement on human beings. Some may say that it is, but those are deceived. God does not want to kill disobedient children anymore than I would want to take the life of my children for their disobedience. Jeremiah 29:11 says "For I know the thoughts that I think toward you, thoughts of peace, not of evil, to give you an expected end.
Giving expecting anything in return is not truly giving, it is investing. Giving out of love for God is its own reward. I give, because tithing is a false doctrine resulting in bondage for believers, and that is not consistent with the message of Christ.
I have a ? for anyone that can answear it in a mature and educated way... when was the building made of bricks and stone made into the church and why is it that we are taught to give 10% to the church when we as beleivers are the church??? seems to be a false teaching in its orgin dont it??? In my bible it says that we are to bring 1/10th aka 10% to the storehouse, it does not say church or it would have been translated that way... do not follow traditions of men or mans doctrine follow YHWH:)
If you tithe as a cheerful giver, God will surely bless you!!! Regardless of whether or not it's relevant for today or not. I don't know about you all, but I don't want to miss out on a blessing!!!!
we should tithe to help the church with its daily operations. churches don't get government help. they don't sell products to get money. they need tithe money to pay their bills.
Jesus still encouraged us to give. Tithing itself might be out dated now but we're still supposed to, not by law but because we want to. He still feels the same way about rewarding those who give, He is unchanging, He doesn't change His mind.
Malachi 3:10 and Luke 6:38 are great examples. Old and new testament. When He says "A good measure pressed down and shaken together and running over will be poured on your lap" Think of the exact opposite of when you buy a bag of potato chips.
You can not reconcile, "give only what he wants" and "not under compulsion" with a strict 10% There is no way to make that work. .bible.cc/2_corinthians/9-7.htm
Tithing wasn't under the Old testament law. Tithing was set here on earth in the book of Genesis. That's before the old testament law. I have seen the Glory of God in my life and I seen how God sends blessings from heaven when you tithe. Not only financially speaking but spiritually speaking. Try it. Do it with all your heart. God will bless your life your marriage your job your family your ministry and everything and everyone around you.
@PAPO702 , I don't believe that these blessings that are flowing in your experience is because of a tithe that you are sharing. I don't and have not tithed in years and am experiencing the same kinds of heaven sent blessings. I give as God has given to me and the same blessings have fallen on me and my house. You've been lead to believe that tithing does this and that is not at all true. Faithfulness to the Divine Creator causes this kind of thing to happen.
@ST8URCASE Think this guy used 2 b my Pastor(Ps.Sharrock, -if I'm right, if not my apologies)& if it is, he did take a partial wage from the tithe at times-& pushed it heavily 2, misapplying scripture.The end of the matter is found in 2Cor9:7.The heart counts, not compulsion.The NT goes beyond the OT in principle -all is the Lord's & if we are responsible in our relationship to Him,it will no doubt be reflected in GIVING freely to His work-(whatever that amount may be)NOT tithing legalistically.
@PastorScott116 and i hope i dont come off as an angry crazy person because im not. Its just a contradiction to command people to tithe but do it with a cheerful heart and if you dont then you will be cursed. some people do it out of fear of being cursed and how can you do something with a cheeful heart with fear? some people do it to get something back because thats whats preached..wrong pretenses of giving in the first place thats for sure.
@PastorScott116 to the ground rather than having faith that everything is going to be taken cared of because the mere fact that "we" are doing what God has told us to..spread the Gospel. Its sad that these pastors dont excercise their teachings of faith but expect their members too. That is what i find simply unbelievable. i stopped tithing and yet i'm still blessed and if the blessings stop,,,i will still be blessed because i'm heaven bound and thats all what matters.
@PastorScott116 also, i dont mind giving but what i'm trying to say is if you preach if you dont tithe then you will be cursed is unbiblical due to it was for the priests of israelites. Of course, giving is necessary to run the church but now adays, you have big pimps in the pulpit driving this message and condemning people that dont give, thats wrong. Church doesnt have authority over God, thats between the person and God. What i dont get is that most churches ive been to drive this model
@PastorScott116 nope, just tired of people twisting scripture for personal gain. I give but i dont tithe. i give whatever God calls me to. im just saying malachi 3:8 is not proof that we should tithe or else..that was for the israelits priest who kept making unacceptable sacrifices. if malachi 3.8 is applied then all has to be applied. Thats taking it out of context. thats like saying well the first 5 commandments are required but the other 5 is not that much..not consistent.
@PastorScott116 are we still to sacrifice animals too? In malachi it talks about sacrificing blind animals and such..odd. I guess i will go and buy a nice healthy animal and have a sacrifice since malachi 1:12-13 thats what it says. oh but we are taking it out of context?. right.. CRAP!!! Well im screwed cause i had a divorce..malachi 2:16 God hates divorce..i had a divorce uh oh. am i still taking out of context? malachi 3:11 i dont have fruits nor vines to be devoured...
@PastorScott116 i find it funny how my old pastor used to make a public showing of him paying tithes every service but yet it goes back to where he got his paycheck from..thats ironic. i deny everyone who preaches that Gods going to curse you for not tithing but you should give with a cheerful heart? Thats an oxymoron..Gods not a membership. last time i checked. Of course pastors are going to defend this cause its their paycheck derrr.
it gives me pleasure knowing that these self-righteous christians are WASTING their hard earned money on horseshit superstitions. 10% fuck em. someone recommend putting it up to 20% so gods preachers can get himself some new rims for dat caddilac.
The historical fact is that tithing was essential in the way it was originally intended. Under Jewish law anyone able was required to give 10% of their wealth to the temple, which was the center of faith and government, thus the tithe was in effect the tax which would be used to pay the expenses of the temple and the remainder would be distributed to the poor.
This is the whole truth. Many people use scriptures referring to land, animals and spoil and change it to money because they can not find where anyone paid ten percent of their money or wages to anyone in the bible. There was money and people were paid wages. Anytime you must change the scriptures to put a demand on people, you are not representing the True and Living God, you want something for yourself or someone else. Paying tithes on money is obeying man and not the bible. Gal. 3
This video contradicts itself and doesn't bring into light where Jesus encouraged The Jewish leaders to Tithe and do Grace and Mercy as well or holding a coin saying "Give to God's what is God's and Caesar's that which is Caesar's"
I like the idea behind this video and always thought of tithing as a way to help those in need. My church, no longer Stonelake, is telling me that it is used for very specific forms of selective need. I am not fully familiar with the bible yet but I certainly do not believe this.
Are you saying there is no law? If so why would the Messiah say IF You Love Me KEEP My Commandments. Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. On these two commandments Hang All the Law and the Prophets.
Im against prosperity preachers. This country needs to rebuild. (sure enough) in the book of haggai god had them rebuild the temple stone apon stone. But still told them they were unclean. jesus said this temple will be destroyed with no stone upon a stone.
@thewisenashvillestar What verse it that? I must of missed it. If God really calls a preacher to open a church, that church will go on whether or not people tithe. It's called free will offering. if preachers will really truth God and tell the full truth, i believe God will work on the hearts of the people to freely give with their hearts. But if u try to scare the people into giving, God is not pleased. Truth God for your ministry. Acts 2:38 is God's plan of salvation.
so funny, "christians" spend more time arguing about tithing, what people wear to church, denominational differences, and are more caught up in how other "christians" live their lives, rather than getting to the heart of what its all about...sharing the love of Christ with non believers.. well done folks
ps - Whats that one part of revelations talk about, you know the Church of Ephesus? hmm wake up christians
@udubie All roads don't lead to the true God my friend. I as a "true believer" must teach the truth from the BIBLE and nothing less. Does it all sound good and flowery, and easy to swallow? No, of course NOT. Christ didn't come to bring peace he came to bring a SWORD. A sword of division between light and darkness.
Exposing evil for what it is, is part of the work of a true believer. But one must be BORN AGAIN of water and of the SPIRIT if he/she plans on seeing the Kingdom of God.
@seedsofgrace I have to say, Amen Amen. That's just the simple truth. For those that know, have to speak up and tell the truth. Even if people hate us for it. i don't want nobody's blood on my hands. Keep preaching the truth and God bless you and family.
@seedsofgrace unless you are a CATHOLIC your religion means nothing. Christ chose Peter -the first Bishop, as the first preacher of the Catholic Church and since him the one TRUE religion of Christ has followed through him and ONLY in his line through Catholisism.
@udubie God never said to believe a lie. U can be a Christian without believing the lies. My people are destroyed because of a lack of Knowledge. Sharing the Lord is important, but so is the truth about tithing. preachers today are making many feel that salvation is in the tithing. Is that the truth or a lie? If all we have to do is tithe, then why did Jesus suffer so much on the cross? One can serve God better, when not under bondage. Acts 2:38, God's plan of salvation still today.
@udubie Your 'Get to the heart' part is fallacy stemming from arrogance on mans part. What I mean is, who are we to say what parts of God's word are important and what are lesser? Remember the bit in Revelations about adding and taking away.? Big consequences! Its all about all of it , if not God would not have entered it into His Word. If you wrote a long letter to a FRIEND and he read it and then said the only important part is line 3 on the 2nd paragraph, You would be offended.
Its not just tithing, Its the attitude towards the tithe, and all the other universal laws. For all you broke ass new age Christians the Rockefeller family tithe thats why there so rich. Also stop telling other how to live life. If you truly believe in God U will let others decide there own faith and lead there own life according to the divine plan of there life. Honor Jehovah!
The logical extension of this arguement is this, "Since we are free from the Law - why do anything good that will help our neighbor and grow the church?"
As the video says, Jesus is the ultimate tithe to the world. Correct. Somewhere in the Bible it also suggests we be like Christ...
Other denominations out there understand tithing better than this mega-church. Lutherans are pretty good with the proper distinction between Law and Gospel. Ask questions to a nearby Lutheran Pastor.
Jesus loves us...not because we give....but because it is His unconditional gift to us. Tithing doctrine implies that we can earn God's blessing...or lose it by our works. Children receive your Fathers love...you do not have to earn it!
It's disheartening to see Chrisitians who are being led by corrupt leadership who are so greedy that God seems to be an afterthought. If your church teaches the OT Tithe, you should run. We do need to give to support our churches when they support the flock, but first they must be carrying out the Great Commission. I've seen worse manipulation in chuches. I've heard preachers calling people who don't tithe, robbers who deal in stolen goods. It's pathetic to see this.
There are some churches that actually keep track of which members tithe and those that don't. There is a church in one of the Carolinas that tells people they aren't welcome if they don't tithe. But it gets worse. Ed Young in Florida has asked his flock for their bank routing and account numbers so they can take the tithe. I was appalled when I saw it. See for yourself. It was preached at Fellowship Church in Florida on 10/10/10. I have the link if anyone want's to send me a pm.
@jamesbabyar An other point. Abraham tithed from spoils of war. So do we need to wage war first, loot the enemy and then tithe to God? Also predates the Law right?
@Skaz32225 Right. Tithing predates the Law. But so does circumcision. If one believes he MUST tithe because it predates the Law, he MUST also be circumcised because it ALSO predates the Law. But Paul says ABSOLUTELY NOT to circumcision. The same is equally true concerning tithing.
Respond to this video... Yes, it's interesting that Abraham didn't keep ANYTHING for himself. He took the stuff he recaptured, gave a tenth of it to Melchizedek, and then gave the rest back to their original owners.
This has NOTHING to do with the 3 tithes in the Law of Moses for the Israelites.
- and if it IS something that Christians are to practice, then I guess we'd better go find stolen property,recapture it, tithe out of it, and return the rest of it to it's owners.
@jamesbabyar Also Abraham only tithed after the slaughter of the kings. Perhaps we need to slaughter some kings and then tithe. Also he only tithed once to Melchezidek not every week. It is just a lack of faith in God and people twist scripture for their own benefit. Also notice that most people don't know their bibles and follow these false teachers.
@jamesbabyar If u want to live under the age of law, then tithe. But i live under the age of grace or the church age, and it's not a command to tithe. Tithing will not save u. Do God deal with ages? Colossians 1:26-27, Ephesians 1:10, 2:6-9, 3:5-6, 21. Now if one was robbing God in our times, it would be a sin. So why in the name of God, are people like me and many others are still receiving the Holy Ghost speaking in tongues? God's presence won't deal in a sinful body. Acts 2:38, is God's way
@jamesbabyar Laws are defined not made, meaning the fulfillment on what Abraham was doing was eventually defined as law. You can't make up a LAW w/o any reason, I assume as to enforce it you need a reason. The actions(s) that provoked the reason to create the law is what is defined and made into a law. Laws are created when there is little to no understanding about the subject in which the law was made or to manipulate the one that it is being enforced on.
@jamesbabyar For example: The Law of Gravity wouldn't be a law if we understood how to defy it. The Law of tithing wouldn't be a law if we understood that we do not need currency or a form of value exchange to live. Man creates laws out of reasons that he does not understand and unfortunately blames God for creating it. God created the earth before man and give him everything he needed to thrive and survive. MAN created rules and laws out of greed and misunderstanding of himself and God.
When you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth. Arthur Conan Doyle, Sr.
If Abraham said I will not take anything that is yours, lest you should say, "I have made Abram rich'
Then can Abraham take a tenth of the spoils?
If Abraham lived in Mamre the Amorite then met Melchizedek at Valley of Shaveh and had not yet gone home then could Abraham give his own personal possessions?
I don't get it because we have all this good preachers up there that teach good but in the end they endorse the tithe. If they know the bible so much more than us simple people and are honest, how come they don't realize it and teach the way it should be? I watched preachers like, Paul washer, Jentezen Franklin, and others, but when asked about tithe, they prefer not to answer or give an explanation that always leads to giving a tithe, but about being in the new covenant?
@kawayan65 I have a video somewhere on my computer with paul washer endorsing the tithe. Sadly, he has succomed to the business of preaching tithing along with many many others.
It's pretty cut and dry I don't understand the willfull ignorance coming from the prosperity teachers.
@seedsofgrace You are right. I left a church that I attended for about 16 months because i noticed lots of pride and a big focus on finances and how to increase the church members.
thanks God now I attend a small church which focus in teaching the bible as it is rather than focusing on money.
Do you know some people idolize money or put their needs before God..God said don't worry about you will eat drink or wear..Matthew 6:33.. some people say don't tithe and God send them to hell..or they abuse tithing..to get rich..you must have wisdom..if i got only a dollar in my pocket ..i am trusting God to feed me if i give him my last dollar. That is what TRUSTING in him mean..especially when he says give your last dollar. but if you have money and know to give to God ...
You've just rationalized away the entire biblical concept of sowing and reaping. There was no covenant with Levi. It was with Abraham. You assume preachers misuse scripture "mainly for their monetary gain and greed" but that isn't so. My pastor doesn't get paid. Christ says in Matt 5:17 He came to fulfill the law, not abolish it. Not to mention, the tithe came before the law with Abraham and Melchizedek. You have made a video of untruths, assumptions, and misinformation.
@christianpreachr I am glad to hear that your pastor doesn't take money. But way to many of today's preachers to misuse scripture for their selfish ambition. I beg you to re-read Gen. 14 in detail, Abraham never gave anyone a tithe of his own money as is taught today. He gave of the spoils of war. (see also Hebrews 7)
@Elijah43mb The tithe is of your increase. In those times, your increase was in cattle. This video is scriptually incorrect. Scripture supports tithing, no scripture denounces it.
@christianpreachr Do you believe that everyone had cattle, so they all tithed cattle? But what about those who were fisherman, or basket makers, they only sold their goods, they didn't have an increase to tithe.
There was money in those days when the Law of God came down to Israel, but he never told them to tithe money, or shekels, or Gold, only food items that where edible. The only seed that there is, is the Word of God, not our hundred dollar bills.
@Elijah43mb Your query is answered by the story of Cain and Able. God accepted Able's offering. One was a farmer, the other a cattleman. The tithe predates the Law. Our example of tithing comes from Abraham, not his grandson. Increase is increase. Your ox give birth, you have increase. Your seed yields harvest, you have increase. In this age, our increase is with money.
The principle of reaping and sowing is eternal. It even manifests itself in the natural. Hence, the Stock Market.
@christianpreachr Look seriously into your own heart and you will see that the reason you single out one part of the law and not anything else is simply because of monetary gain. You know this is true but yet you do your best to disguise it with some drivel about it still being relevant to today. Please, come on get off your rich high horse and leave the poor people's money alone, and let them become more freer cheerful givers!
@christianpreachr First of all, no one who is against tithing has ever said anything about not 'sowing and reaping' as you put it. Thats rediculous for you to assume that, but typical to cover your own ethical flaws. Simply put, GIVING cheerfully as the Holy Spirit wills at any given moment, IS SOWING, and then therefore you shall reap! Understand? Tithing is a completely different robotic OT style slave-type un-freeing practice. Think about it!
@christianpreachr And you say that your pastor doesnt get paid? Bollocks! It is scriptural for a preacher to be paid, and you know that. If he tells you that he isnt its because he does not want you or anyone else spreading around the truth that he takes large portions from the kitty for his own gain. I dont doubt that a lot of good is done with some of the money which is 'tithed' to your church, but please, dont tell us he doesnt get paid. Thats a lie. He would get paid in some way for certain!
tithing, like the promise of abraham, was established BEFORE THE LAW. and Galatians 3:27-29 says those that are baptized into Christ put on Christ and become heirs to the Promise of Abraham....which the LAW does not add to or take away. Those things which were established before the Law, the law had NO AFFECT ON THEM and the freeing from the Law also doesn't affect.
another question is God used that portion to run his church, how are ministries run without funding. no feeding the poor..
mclovin354357 1 day ago
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music4god777 2 weeks ago
Tithing is only supposed to be a 1/10th...like the 10 servants, what a coincidence.
music4god777 2 weeks ago
6:20 Store your treasures in heaven, where moths and rust cannot destroy, and thieves do not break in and steal. 6:21 Wherever your treasure is, there the desires of your heart will also be.
Remember The Good and faithful servant invested what he was given wisely, so research who or what you support, be it with money, deeds, or time, and do it all in GOD'S name, an investment of great worth.
music4god777 2 weeks ago
I never saw a Uhaul following a hearse, you can't take it with you, yes we all need money to give unto Caesar that which is Caesar's, BUT... we must give unto GOD what is GOD'S, be HIS hands and feet on the earth, do HIS will, help others, be CHRIST like, does it mean to give away all your treasures?
Matt 6:19 “Don’t store up treasures here on earth, where moths eat them and rust destroys them, and where thieves break in and steal.
music4god777 2 weeks ago
AND IF YOU DON'T HAVE THE COMMANDMENTS OR ARE WITHOUT THEM ?
REV 22: 15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.
music4god777 2 weeks ago
1 John 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.
The Bible ends with this from JESUS
Rev.22:13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.
22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
music4god777 2 weeks ago
22:40 The entire law and all the demands of the prophets are based on these two commandments. “Thus being to love GOD with all his mind, and heart, and to love thy neighbor as himself, as to say if your blessed then share that blessing.
AGAIN...How Do WE LOVE GOD?
music4god777 2 weeks ago
So instead of addressing each law…
JESUS summarized them in the next verse, Matt: 22:37 Jesus replied, “you must love the Lord your God with all your heart, all your soul, and all your mind.”
22:38 This is the first and greatest commandment.
22:39 A second is equally important: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’
music4god777 2 weeks ago
Not what everyone tries to pawn off being nailed to the cross, even those, when asked in Matt 22:36 “Teacher, which is the most important commandment in the law of Moses?”
The Laws given to Moses or the תרי"ג מצוות: taryag mitzvot, "613 Mitzvot" or The 613 Commandments which are the principles of law, ethics, and spiritual practice contained in the Torah or Five Books of Moses.
music4god777 2 weeks ago
How Do WE LOVE GOD
1 John 5:3 for this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.
These are The 10 Commandments that JESUS gave on MT Sinai.
music4god777 2 weeks ago
Upon Receiving HIS Kingdom, The Nobleman (JESUS) returned and asked of HIS servants what they did with the money, or talents HE had given them, the ones that have invested the money or their talents wisely, and have gained interest were given that interest in governorship over the cities.
Now is JESUS an investment banker?
Well...NO, so what does HE want, from US?
music4god777 2 weeks ago
Verily we should, JESUS explained in HIS parable about the nobleman who went to receive HIS Kingdom...HINT...That Nobleman is JESUS.
HE speaks about giving 10 servants 10 pounds or mina's each, in Luke 19:12, now since this is written and translated in the Greek...the momentary value in Hebrew would be talents, which equals 60 mina's.
So lets summarize here HIS servants were each given money and/or TALENTS...
music4god777 2 weeks ago
So your, abilities, knowledge, passions, and skills are all gifts from GOD, we strive to gain these skills to the best of our abilities, through training, teachings, drive, and workmanship. YET... these too are all gifts from GOD, should we then not share the bounty or first fruits of these too?
music4god777 2 weeks ago
The soil, seed, water, sunlight, even the osmosis of the growth of the plants, are gifts from GOD, and to show thanks you offer your first fruits, your first yield or harvest...not on an alter, but to a neighbor...lets say an elderly couple, or a struggling family, or of poor health, and this offering is done in GOD'S name, giving HIM the glory, and not self.
Remember we came from dust and will return to dust.
music4god777 2 weeks ago
Genesis 3:19 By the sweat of your brow, you will produce food to eat until you return to the ground, because you were taken from it. You are dust, and you will return to dust."
music4god777 2 weeks ago
Remember the Apostles lived by the grace and support of others, while doing JESUS’ ministry.
We are shown About First Fruits First Hand. By GOD, when HE gave HIS only begotten SON, GODS First Fruit. FOR US.
First fruits works like this, in our modern times, since there is no more alter offerings, as yet.
Lets say you have a garden, and grow tomatoes, even though you plant and work the soil, through the works of your hands, and the sweat of your brow.
music4god777 2 weeks ago
Continued#2--- Now ask yourself do who receive the office of the priesthood, have a commandment to take tithes of the people? YES! Do men still die and live? YES! And if you claim to be a ''Christian'' then you should know your the seed of Abraham and- Jesus saith unto them, If ye were Abraham's children, ye would do the works of Abraham-John 8:39 .Did Abraham Tithe to the Levi Priests?YES! Repent for leading people astray! PAY YOUR TITHES! Receive the WINDOWS of HEAVEN BLESSING! GOD PROMISES!
Wisdomized4Christ 2 weeks ago
Continued-- And here men that die receive tithes; but there he receiveth them, of whom it is witnessed that he liveth. And as I may so say, Levi also, who receiveth tithes, payed tithes in Abraham. Hebrews 7:5-9 (KJV) (New Tes). Continue------
Wisdomized4Christ 2 weeks ago
And verily they that are of the sons of Levi, who receive the office of the priesthood, have a commandment to take tithes of the people according to the law, that is, of their brethren, though they come out of the loins of Abraham: But he whose descent is not counted from them received tithes of Abraham, and blessed him that had the promises. And without all contradiction the less is blessed of the better. Continue-------
Wisdomized4Christ 2 weeks ago
in Acts 20:35 it says In all things I have shown you that by working hard in this way we must help the weak and remember the words of the Lord Jesus, how he himself said, ‘It is more blessed to give than to receive.’”
dfling88 3 weeks ago
“Bring the whole tithe into the storehouse, that there may be food in my house. Test me in this,” says the LORD Almighty, “and see if I will not throw open the floodgates of heaven and pour out so much blessing that you will not have room enough for it.” (Malachi 3:10) I dare anyone to cheerfully give tithing a try for a month. If God does not bless you, I will be surprised. God blesses our family beyond measure when we give Him the first of our paycheck each and every month.
tigervet24 4 weeks ago
Wow, I came onto this page to seek some wisdom about tithing, and as expected I found World War III. I was brought up religious, and have often, with heart, tried tithing. And I still wish to. I understand tithing is meant to be given to where you get your spiritual food. Though at the moment I'm so confused about it all, and no one seems to have an answer. So Im giving my tithe to kids with cancer charity. Im sure God will understand, if not. Then I simply dont care.
1BassJohn 4 weeks ago
i I've worried bout that, most churches seem to have a very mercenary approach to money, it's necessary sure, but when they start threatening you using God as a cover ,I get really perturbed. specially here in Gh, ur blessing is proportional to how much you give, they list the amount you come forward with the others who can afford as much as you can and you are blessed accordingly. that can't be right the same guy who healed lepers and washed feet is a snob? smthin's wrong here. that ain't right
serenpidity1 2 months ago
You seem to be judging preachers, which the Bible speaks against. But your quest to broadcast your "truth" comes as though you are discouraging people from giving. It wouldn't be financial bondage if they gave cheerfully. Whether or not the preacher is a scam. Its between the giver and God. The receiver's is not involved. People get blessed through tithing. I think you should get a mentality revamp and try tithing. Cheerfully.
annor13 2 months ago
@annor13 -FIRST- God blesses according to HIS will; not YOUR MONEY. SECOND- I NEVER said it was a sin to give tithes. HOWEVER, it is a sin to lie and manipulate bible verses. The bible says, "Do not be led away by diverse and strange teachings."(Heb.13:8.9) We are to beware of false prophets-not go along with their behavior(Matt 7:15). PLEASE STUDY YOUR BIBLE INSTEAD OF FOLLOWING FALSE PROPHETS.
ndependentwoman 2 months ago
@annor13 You seem to lack understanding, there are 4 Tithes in the bible what are they? and the bible passage to there teaching. Since you posted that tithing should be done cheerfully. 2nd why does the church only teach one tithe and not the other 3 ?? did you know its a sin to tithe in todays day and age........waiting for your reply if you have one
Soul7Patrol 4 weeks ago
@Soul7Patrol Jesus said "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.". So we should not think that the grace we have through Jesus abolishes practices like tithing. I was hesitant to respond all this time because the Bible in Titus 3:9 says we should "avoid foolish controversies and genealogies and arguments and quarrels about the law, because these are unprofitable and useless." I think I've said enough.
annor13 3 weeks ago
@annor13 You are taking the words of Jesus out of context because when he said on the cross it is finish!! John 19:30 the old law was done away with. Paul who wrote 14 chps of the New testament said in Coloss 2:14-16 also said the old law was done away with at the cross, Galatians 6:2 We are given a new law! Hebrews 8:6-7 a better law 1 Corin 14:37-38 Anyone who ignores the new law will be ignored!! thats why Jesus/Peter/Paul/John didnt tithe!!! I THINK YOU NEED TO STOP GUESSING
Soul7Patrol 3 weeks ago
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Tithing is NOT for New Covenant believers.
For proof, read:
"Mystery Revealed: Why Millions of Christian Tithers are Broke" on my blog.
RevolutionEraBlog 2 months ago
mark 12:17
DEMfilmsJWalsh 2 months ago
With respect to your second question, even if you could make the leap to tithing, you are still left with the fact that FOOD NOT MONEY. You have managed to toss out several scriptures, yet none change that simple fact. If you are concerned with accuracy, why haven't you acknowledged that the tithe was, and always has been, FOOD? You seem to cling to the inaccurate notion, and enjoy the bliss of willful ignorance, that money was NEVER a part of the tithe. Why?
ndependentwoman 2 months ago
@ndependentwoman Why are you so bent on whether or not it has always been food. God loves a cheerful giver, he's promised us that if we give, it would come back to us pressed down shaken together and running over in good measure. Therefore rather than criticize the act of giving to God (which whether or not under old covenant is still giving) You should focus on encouraging people to be cheerful givers. Whether food or money, it's still giving
annor13 2 months ago
@annor13 - One word -ACCURACY. The name of the video is, "Truth Behind Tithing." So many people have been deceived by this tithing manipulation; they are in financial bondage. The pimp preachers, who are the main perpetrators of the tithing myth, thrive on telling people to, "...give 10% or God will curse you!" Therefore it is our responsibility to tell everyone the truth.
ndependentwoman 2 months ago
@ndependentwoman It's not a sin to give tithes, just like circumcision. The point of the video is making a big deal out of nothing. Let's focus on the constructive aspects of our walk with God and stop setting our eyes on men and their actions.
annor13 2 months ago
@annor13 -(cont'd)- Also, I have said numerous times-GIVE OUT OF THE GOODNESS OF YOUR HEART; NEVER OUT OF COMPULSION(2Corinthians 9:7).
ndependentwoman 2 months ago
@ndependentwoman So there's no point to the video. Because the thing is, say we must undoubtedly pay our 10% as tithe. If it's not out of the goodness of your heart there's a problem. We become petty and like Pharisees if we dwell on trivial issues at the expense of the main issues. How much better it would have been if the main essence was 2 Corinth 9:7 and not a judgmental attitude towards preachers
annor13 2 months ago
@annor13 -Sorry it's taken so long to get back to you.THE ACCURATE REPRESENTATION OF SCRIPTURE IS NOT A PETTY ISSUE. Actually only preachers who abuse and misrepresent scripture for their own gain are criticized; and with good reason. Again the entire purpose of this video, and my statements, was to explain scriptures-ACCURATELY.Please know there are wolves in sheep's clothing abusing God's word to mislead Christian flock. CLEARLY YOU HAVE CHOSEN TO DRINK THE PROSPERITY GOSPEL COOL-AIDE.
ndependentwoman 2 months ago
@annor13 -(cont'd) NO WE ARE NOT REQUIRED TO PAY 10%. We, Christians, were NEVER, required to pay 10%. Please read ALL of Malachi and Hebrews chapter 7. The book of Malachi explains; who paid tithes(farmers only), what tithes were(FOOD,NOT MONEY), who received tithes(poor, widows, & Levitical priests) and why(feeding all parties)Again, give according to what is in YOUR heart; not some unscrupulous "minister" who manipulates scripture for a dime out of every dollar you earn.
ndependentwoman 2 months ago
1st questionSo how do you know that the change in the law refers to tithing?
Again Hebrews 7:18 refers to the entire law, not just a part.
Second, if Jesus said render to Ca seer the things that are Ca seer's and to God the things that are God's would that not imply that there is a portion that belongs to God?
At no time does that scripture support money belonging to God, tithe or otherwise. Instead it reads, "...render the THINGS that are God's unto God..."(cont'd)
ndependentwoman 2 months ago
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" Abraham kept nothing of the spoils of war because he did not want it to be said the Mechelzidek made him rich"
So why does the text say?
And Abram said to the king of Sodom, I have lift up mine hand unto the LORD, the most high God, the possessor of heaven and earth,
That I will not [take] from a thread even to a shoelatchet, and that I will not take any thing that [is] thine, lest thou shouldest say, I have made Abram rich:
Gen 14:22-23 that seem like a contradiction. Am I wrong?
RepresentingTruth 2 months ago
thanks for posting this. I don't necessarily agree however. If you (seedsofgrace or anyone else) would estimate how much of your income you gave to your local church, and then also to the work of the Lord in 2011, would it be well over 10% anyway? I absolutely know and strongly believe it would be. A Jew under the law, in no way outgives a blood bought believer and one who is the recipient of such amazing grace.
DeaconCliff 2 months ago
Imthemandawg
No such thing as luck if your a believer eh
candyisforgirls 3 months ago
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imthemandawg 2 months ago
We give offerings to the church not tithes. We feed the hungry etc.. We are not under law but under grace. We are in the new covenant. The tithe was actually talking about food in the old testament.
candyisforgirls 3 months ago
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imthemandawg 3 months ago
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@candyisforgirls
Good luck paying the bills with fruits and veggies.
imthemandawg 3 months ago
if we didnt tithe how will we keep the church going, and helping the homeless, and the community
mizlady2010 3 months ago
Praise Jesus. For he is a God that doesnt need my money, He doesnt even need efforts. I'm saved. I can do what ever the hell i want to and NO one can do a damn thing to me. Cause im saved.
mikemarco76 3 months ago
What's the song?
heygirl678 4 months ago
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millionairenow15 4 months ago
It's about Jesus and your relationship. If the righteous scarcely be saved where withall shall the sinner be. Whoa to him that causes one of my little ones to stumble for it would be better that a milstone be tied about his neck and he be cast into the sea. Does the Spirit of Christ dwell in you? By there fruits you will know them.....Do you criticize, mock, slander, lie, woa unto you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
bradbreck2 5 months ago
the passage in Malachi refering to 'will a man rob God' is so very misrepresented. God was speaking to the Levites! the Levites were taking the tithe and not doing what God commanded of them to do with it. a little research into the Levites and who/what they were will make it clear that God was speaking to them and not the other 11 tribes Isreal.
ladyincamo 6 months ago
Tithe belongs to God. People that love money like churches like these, I believe it's a weak church and full of demon posessed people. Shame on you.
Fguerreiro1 6 months ago
God doesn't need or want your money He wants you first and foremost. (If) he has you he has all that you are and have. Read Romans 12:1 for biblical tithing then you will be a "free will giver".
truth1disciple 6 months ago 2
And the LORD God commanded the man, “You are free to eat from any tree in the garden; but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat of it you will surely die.” Genesis 2:16-17
Adam had the whole garden BUT God set aside some for himself just as with tithes he has set aside some of for Himself. We now should tithe because it is to help the Church prosper to send missions, outreach, and spread the Gospel.
toxicdon32506 6 months ago
@toxicdon32506 what verse of scripture reveals to us that God set aside the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil as a tithe unto Himself? The word "tithe' is 1/10 ... did God set aside 1/10 of an evil tree aside for Himself, one time only, as a model for us, that we should give 10% of our gross pay cheques to a church to fund missions - weekly? Please show me your scriptural reference, chapter and verse, I cant wait to see this!
etherform66 4 months ago
@toxicdon32506 -I agree we should support the church. HOWEVER, the tithing manipulation is based on teaching we are,"cursed" if we don't give ten percent of our income. THIS IS A TOTAL FABRICATION TO GET YOUR MONEY. It has nothing to do with serving God; rather it serves to pay FALSE PREACHERS hefty salaries.
ndependentwoman 2 months ago
Wow does one so easily forget that we are under a new priesthood? This priesthood includes tithes. You might want to brush up on the bible a little bit.
RepresentingTruth 6 months ago
@RepresentingTruth -Even if you can make a, "new priesthood" argument. The tithes were NEVER money; only food. Those of us who take the time to read and do research on this subject are REQUIRED to inform those who are in bondage to this FALSE teaching.
ndependentwoman 2 months ago
@ndependentwoman So are you stating that the spoils that Abram gave to Mel. was only food?
RepresentingTruth 2 months ago
@RepresentingTruth -FURTHER MANIPULATION! Abram gave from the spoils of war(Hebrews 7:4) NOT INCOME. Abraham kept nothing of the spoils of war because he did not want it to be said the Mechelzidek made him rich. Also this was a ONE TIME donation. Abraham was rich BEFORE he gave the spoils of war tithe. His ONE TIME act in no way suggests Christians today should give 10% of their income-continuously or otherwise.
ndependentwoman 2 months ago
@ndependentwoman "His ONE TIME act in no way suggests Christians today should give 10% of their income-continuously or otherwise."
Would you agree that it did speak of the sons of Levi that would tithe through him?
And as I may so say, Levi also, who receiveth tithes, payed tithes in Abraham. Heb. 7:9
What is your thoughts on that?
RepresentingTruth 2 months ago
@RepresentingTruth -Please read further Hebrews 7:11-13 shows tithing was insufficient and there had to be a change in the priesthood. Also please remember tithe was FOOD NOT MONEY. From the often misquoted Malachai 3:8 to Matthew 23:23. Food was always mentioned as the tithe. Speaking of Mat. 23:23, Jesus stated the Saducees and Pharisees, "...kept the letter of the law..." meaning they gave food(mint, anise, and cumin), NOT MONEY.
ndependentwoman 2 months ago
@RepresentingTruth -Finally, please continue to read Hebrews 7:11-18. It goes into detail to say, "...when there was a change in priesthood, there was a change in the law." So even if you could make the argument of a continuing tithe under the levites; that scripture destroys the concept of further tithing because of the change of the law. Last but not least, Hebrews 7:18 says,"...there was a disannuling of the commandment because of its weakness..." Thanks
ndependentwoman 2 months ago
@ndependentwoman So how do you know that the change in the law refers to tithing?
Second, if Jesus said render to Ca seer the things that are Ca seer's and to God the things that are God's would that not imply that there is a portion that belongs to God?
RepresentingTruth 2 months ago
@RepresentingTruth You should change your name to Dontknowthetruth, there are 4 tithes in the bible what are they? Why didnt Jesus peter paul and john in the new testament tithe 10% as there isnt one record of them talking on it? pick your game up!!!
Soul7Patrol 4 weeks ago
EARNINGS ARE NOT TITHEABLE
ONLY farmers and herdsmen tithed as it was FOOD for POOR Levites with NO LAND to raise any + other POOR. NO others tithed, NOT EVEN JESUS! The TITHE was produce from the FREE gift of the HOLY LAND, HOLY GROUND, HOLY SEED, FULFILLED in CHRIST, OUR BREAD FROM HEAVEN- our LAMB OF GOD!. HOLY! HOLY! HOLY! Money always was FREE WILL giving, not accepted as a TITHE! TITHES ARE HOLY! FREELY GIVE to your church and POOR! BE CAREFUL to whom you give!
sissifan1968 6 months ago
@sissifan1968 the levites did raise flocks and grow their own food... they did not own the land and could profit from it, only provide for themsleves. they could not leave an inheritance ( they could not profit and become wealthy) it clealy states that the levites tended their own fields and to their own flocks many many times in the bible. the levites were the government for the people and if they were to become wealthy they would 'lord' over the people, they still did that with many laws.
ladyincamo 6 months ago
@sissifan1968 the levites did raise flocks and grow their own food... they did not own the land and could profit from it, only provide for themsleves. they could not leave an inheritance ( they could not profit and become wealthy) it clearly states that the levites tended their own fields and to their own flocks many many times in the bible. the levites were the government for the people and if they were to become wealthy they would 'lord' over the people, they still did that with many laws.
ladyincamo 6 months ago
God does not exercise judgement on earth at this point in time. World hunger, natural devastation, and terrorist attacks are not a result of God's judgement on human beings. Some may say that it is, but those are deceived. God does not want to kill disobedient children anymore than I would want to take the life of my children for their disobedience. Jeremiah 29:11 says "For I know the thoughts that I think toward you, thoughts of peace and not of evil, to give you an expected end.
JesusLvsMeThsIkno 7 months ago
Listen, Saints!!!! Tithing is not about being part of the law or not part of the law! In Malachi 3:10 we are given a promise by God..(that is, by tithing we will receive many blessings!!!) Our freedom comes in choosing to enter into this covenant of tithe. You are correct in saying we are not obligated, but faith pleases God...and, trust me, it takes faith to tithe! In return we are blessed! Though we are no longer imprisoned by the law (Galations 3:23) God's promises do not fail.
JesusLvsMeThsIkno 7 months ago
You may say, "Bless You" but no one on earth has been authorized by God to envoke his blessings for him" Make your own blessing from your own heart and they should cost time and/or effort because works are cheap and mostly worthless in Gods eyes. Since a dime offered by a person with no money is worth more than millions offered by a billionare. May your prayers bring you may replies!
Engineer245 7 months ago
Jesus does not require you to buy your way into heaven nor can it be done. Serviving others and doing selfless good works will attact those who would become true followers. Your prayers should be private. You must be all alone with Jesus to pray. Group praying is okay but true faith in Jesus is one on one and personal. Do good works humbly and do not seeking any recognition for then it is truely and offering from the heart. Never say, "God Bless You," rather say "May God Bless You."
Engineer245 7 months ago
Tried to peruse the damn thing but the music was pissing me off!
Also why does "god" need money for? Unless of course people need large amount goes out to the charlatan pastors and helping the "poor"? Only 2%!!
Velvetroomdj 7 months ago
@Velvetroomdj God doesn't want your money, he wants your heart. Where your treasure is, there your heart will be also. :)
JesusLvsMeThsIkno 7 months ago
@JesusLvsMeThsIkno
Pray to your god and tell Him that I don't want Him to want my heart. Instead, pray to Him and tell Him I would rather He help the poor children who die of hunger every year (approx. 30,000 of them). And also tell him to live Atheistic countries like Japan alone and stop KILLING innocent people and ANIMALS!!
Then again your god is a vengeful god isn't He that want us to KILL disobedient children; working on Sabbath; gays; and women who are not virgins on wedding night.
Velvetroomdj 7 months ago
@Velvetroomdj God does not exercise judgement on earth at this point in time. World hunger, natural devastation, and terrorist attacks are not a result of God's judgement on human beings. Some may say that it is, but those are deceived. God does not want to kill disobedient children anymore than I would want to take the life of my children for their disobedience. Jeremiah 29:11 says "For I know the thoughts that I think toward you, thoughts of peace, not of evil, to give you an expected end.
JesusLvsMeThsIkno 7 months ago
Tried to peruse the damn thing but the music was pissing me off!
Velvetroomdj 7 months ago
Giving expecting anything in return is not truly giving, it is investing. Giving out of love for God is its own reward. I give, because tithing is a false doctrine resulting in bondage for believers, and that is not consistent with the message of Christ.
Virgetta1 7 months ago
I have a ? for anyone that can answear it in a mature and educated way... when was the building made of bricks and stone made into the church and why is it that we are taught to give 10% to the church when we as beleivers are the church??? seems to be a false teaching in its orgin dont it??? In my bible it says that we are to bring 1/10th aka 10% to the storehouse, it does not say church or it would have been translated that way... do not follow traditions of men or mans doctrine follow YHWH:)
houseoffire72 7 months ago
If you tithe as a cheerful giver, God will surely bless you!!! Regardless of whether or not it's relevant for today or not. I don't know about you all, but I don't want to miss out on a blessing!!!!
attackthestatic 7 months ago
This information is incorrect. Tithing was before the law!!!!!!!
MsPinklady75 7 months ago
A kind of like sentimental music
jialini 7 months ago
we should tithe to help the church with its daily operations. churches don't get government help. they don't sell products to get money. they need tithe money to pay their bills.
fingersmcoy 7 months ago
@fingersmcoy just who and what is the church my friend??? is it a building of bricks and stone or is us the beleivers??? heres a hint... "US"
houseoffire72 7 months ago
Jesus still encouraged us to give. Tithing itself might be out dated now but we're still supposed to, not by law but because we want to. He still feels the same way about rewarding those who give, He is unchanging, He doesn't change His mind.
Malachi 3:10 and Luke 6:38 are great examples. Old and new testament. When He says "A good measure pressed down and shaken together and running over will be poured on your lap" Think of the exact opposite of when you buy a bag of potato chips.
articfox2276 7 months ago
You can not reconcile, "give only what he wants" and "not under compulsion" with a strict 10% There is no way to make that work. .bible.cc/2_corinthians/9-7.htm
GOD'S WORD® Translation (©1995)
Each of you should give whatever you have decided. You shouldn't be sorry that you gave or feel forced to give, since God loves a cheerful giver
Kj
Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver.
catshazam 7 months ago
Tithing wasn't under the Old testament law. Tithing was set here on earth in the book of Genesis. That's before the old testament law. I have seen the Glory of God in my life and I seen how God sends blessings from heaven when you tithe. Not only financially speaking but spiritually speaking. Try it. Do it with all your heart. God will bless your life your marriage your job your family your ministry and everything and everyone around you.
PAPO702 8 months ago
@PAPO702 , I don't believe that these blessings that are flowing in your experience is because of a tithe that you are sharing. I don't and have not tithed in years and am experiencing the same kinds of heaven sent blessings. I give as God has given to me and the same blessings have fallen on me and my house. You've been lead to believe that tithing does this and that is not at all true. Faithfulness to the Divine Creator causes this kind of thing to happen.
Shalom!
creeper46 7 months ago
hey what song is playing in the background?
lodza2008 8 months ago
Jesus came to fulfill the law, not override it
draigh2 8 months ago
How refreshing to see a a video by someone who understands the new covenant.
WTU208 8 months ago
@PastorScott116 the reward is eternal life in God's kingdom.i dont mean to interrupt.im studying the great tithe debate.
ST8URCASE 9 months ago
@ST8URCASE Think this guy used 2 b my Pastor(Ps.Sharrock, -if I'm right, if not my apologies)& if it is, he did take a partial wage from the tithe at times-& pushed it heavily 2, misapplying scripture.The end of the matter is found in 2Cor9:7.The heart counts, not compulsion.The NT goes beyond the OT in principle -all is the Lord's & if we are responsible in our relationship to Him,it will no doubt be reflected in GIVING freely to His work-(whatever that amount may be)NOT tithing legalistically.
Jehu30 7 months ago
@PastorScott116 and i hope i dont come off as an angry crazy person because im not. Its just a contradiction to command people to tithe but do it with a cheerful heart and if you dont then you will be cursed. some people do it out of fear of being cursed and how can you do something with a cheeful heart with fear? some people do it to get something back because thats whats preached..wrong pretenses of giving in the first place thats for sure.
bigrndahouse 9 months ago
@PastorScott116 to the ground rather than having faith that everything is going to be taken cared of because the mere fact that "we" are doing what God has told us to..spread the Gospel. Its sad that these pastors dont excercise their teachings of faith but expect their members too. That is what i find simply unbelievable. i stopped tithing and yet i'm still blessed and if the blessings stop,,,i will still be blessed because i'm heaven bound and thats all what matters.
bigrndahouse 9 months ago
@PastorScott116 also, i dont mind giving but what i'm trying to say is if you preach if you dont tithe then you will be cursed is unbiblical due to it was for the priests of israelites. Of course, giving is necessary to run the church but now adays, you have big pimps in the pulpit driving this message and condemning people that dont give, thats wrong. Church doesnt have authority over God, thats between the person and God. What i dont get is that most churches ive been to drive this model
bigrndahouse 9 months ago
@PastorScott116 nope, just tired of people twisting scripture for personal gain. I give but i dont tithe. i give whatever God calls me to. im just saying malachi 3:8 is not proof that we should tithe or else..that was for the israelits priest who kept making unacceptable sacrifices. if malachi 3.8 is applied then all has to be applied. Thats taking it out of context. thats like saying well the first 5 commandments are required but the other 5 is not that much..not consistent.
bigrndahouse 9 months ago
@PastorScott116 are we still to sacrifice animals too? In malachi it talks about sacrificing blind animals and such..odd. I guess i will go and buy a nice healthy animal and have a sacrifice since malachi 1:12-13 thats what it says. oh but we are taking it out of context?. right.. CRAP!!! Well im screwed cause i had a divorce..malachi 2:16 God hates divorce..i had a divorce uh oh. am i still taking out of context? malachi 3:11 i dont have fruits nor vines to be devoured...
bigrndahouse 9 months ago
@PastorScott116 i find it funny how my old pastor used to make a public showing of him paying tithes every service but yet it goes back to where he got his paycheck from..thats ironic. i deny everyone who preaches that Gods going to curse you for not tithing but you should give with a cheerful heart? Thats an oxymoron..Gods not a membership. last time i checked. Of course pastors are going to defend this cause its their paycheck derrr.
bigrndahouse 9 months ago
El diezmo nunca se recibio en dinero
JCBS723 10 months ago
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it gives me pleasure knowing that these self-righteous christians are WASTING their hard earned money on horseshit superstitions. 10% fuck em. someone recommend putting it up to 20% so gods preachers can get himself some new rims for dat caddilac.
sssssssssssssssuckers.
JESUStheATHEIST1 10 months ago
Tithing was just a tax because the church and government were one and the same back in old testament days.
Wargoat6 10 months ago
The historical fact is that tithing was essential in the way it was originally intended. Under Jewish law anyone able was required to give 10% of their wealth to the temple, which was the center of faith and government, thus the tithe was in effect the tax which would be used to pay the expenses of the temple and the remainder would be distributed to the poor.
txguy1973 10 months ago
This is the whole truth. Many people use scriptures referring to land, animals and spoil and change it to money because they can not find where anyone paid ten percent of their money or wages to anyone in the bible. There was money and people were paid wages. Anytime you must change the scriptures to put a demand on people, you are not representing the True and Living God, you want something for yourself or someone else. Paying tithes on money is obeying man and not the bible. Gal. 3
MrsPtl 1 year ago
This video contradicts itself and doesn't bring into light where Jesus encouraged The Jewish leaders to Tithe and do Grace and Mercy as well or holding a coin saying "Give to God's what is God's and Caesar's that which is Caesar's"
Churchboy329 1 year ago
The 8 who voted this video down are tithers nonetheless, lol
YhwhKhai 1 year ago
I like the idea behind this video and always thought of tithing as a way to help those in need. My church, no longer Stonelake, is telling me that it is used for very specific forms of selective need. I am not fully familiar with the bible yet but I certainly do not believe this.
StoneLakeChurch 1 year ago
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Are you saying there is no law? If so why would the Messiah say IF You Love Me KEEP My Commandments. Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. On these two commandments Hang All the Law and the Prophets.
tegf4 1 year ago
Im against prosperity preachers. This country needs to rebuild. (sure enough) in the book of haggai god had them rebuild the temple stone apon stone. But still told them they were unclean. jesus said this temple will be destroyed with no stone upon a stone.
MegaJesusfreak2011 1 year ago
Great truthful video. God bless you!
rossdaboss1959 1 year ago
This was just a statement. not directed to u, but to tithe believers.
rossdaboss1959 1 year ago
If nobody thithed we would never have churches and actually Jesus spoke of tithing in matt. 23:23 and said we should tithe.
thewisenashvillestar 1 year ago
@thewisenashvillestar What verse it that? I must of missed it. If God really calls a preacher to open a church, that church will go on whether or not people tithe. It's called free will offering. if preachers will really truth God and tell the full truth, i believe God will work on the hearts of the people to freely give with their hearts. But if u try to scare the people into giving, God is not pleased. Truth God for your ministry. Acts 2:38 is God's plan of salvation.
rossdaboss1959 1 year ago
so funny, "christians" spend more time arguing about tithing, what people wear to church, denominational differences, and are more caught up in how other "christians" live their lives, rather than getting to the heart of what its all about...sharing the love of Christ with non believers.. well done folks
ps - Whats that one part of revelations talk about, you know the Church of Ephesus? hmm wake up christians
udubie 1 year ago
@udubie All roads don't lead to the true God my friend. I as a "true believer" must teach the truth from the BIBLE and nothing less. Does it all sound good and flowery, and easy to swallow? No, of course NOT. Christ didn't come to bring peace he came to bring a SWORD. A sword of division between light and darkness.
Exposing evil for what it is, is part of the work of a true believer. But one must be BORN AGAIN of water and of the SPIRIT if he/she plans on seeing the Kingdom of God.
seedsofgrace 1 year ago 5
@seedsofgrace I have to say, Amen Amen. That's just the simple truth. For those that know, have to speak up and tell the truth. Even if people hate us for it. i don't want nobody's blood on my hands. Keep preaching the truth and God bless you and family.
rossdaboss1959 1 year ago
@seedsofgrace unless you are a CATHOLIC your religion means nothing. Christ chose Peter -the first Bishop, as the first preacher of the Catholic Church and since him the one TRUE religion of Christ has followed through him and ONLY in his line through Catholisism.
DamienNeverwinter 4 months ago
@DamienNeverwinter you are very, very wrong. But you are entitiled to your opinion and will be held accountable for it.
Blessings on your quest.
seedsofgrace 4 months ago
@DamienNeverwinter LOL, Catholicism. What a racket. If the only way to get into heaven is to be Catholic, I'm not really sure I want to go there.
gravitywheel 4 months ago
@udubie God never said to believe a lie. U can be a Christian without believing the lies. My people are destroyed because of a lack of Knowledge. Sharing the Lord is important, but so is the truth about tithing. preachers today are making many feel that salvation is in the tithing. Is that the truth or a lie? If all we have to do is tithe, then why did Jesus suffer so much on the cross? One can serve God better, when not under bondage. Acts 2:38, God's plan of salvation still today.
rossdaboss1959 1 year ago
@udubie Your 'Get to the heart' part is fallacy stemming from arrogance on mans part. What I mean is, who are we to say what parts of God's word are important and what are lesser? Remember the bit in Revelations about adding and taking away.? Big consequences! Its all about all of it , if not God would not have entered it into His Word. If you wrote a long letter to a FRIEND and he read it and then said the only important part is line 3 on the 2nd paragraph, You would be offended.
Anaksbane2 1 year ago
tithing, give me your money for doing nothing, thanks suckers!
Jebu2000 1 year ago
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darizzle7 1 year ago
Freely giving out of cheerful hearts to support the ministry and to help the poor and suffering. This is New Testament doctrine. What a blessing .
jamesbabyar 1 year ago
well...preachers will not force you to pay tithe..but they could make you guilty if you didnt by using the bible.
reanandsantos 1 year ago
Its not just tithing, Its the attitude towards the tithe, and all the other universal laws. For all you broke ass new age Christians the Rockefeller family tithe thats why there so rich. Also stop telling other how to live life. If you truly believe in God U will let others decide there own faith and lead there own life according to the divine plan of there life. Honor Jehovah!
ROMANEMPIRE69 1 year ago
The logical extension of this arguement is this, "Since we are free from the Law - why do anything good that will help our neighbor and grow the church?"
As the video says, Jesus is the ultimate tithe to the world. Correct. Somewhere in the Bible it also suggests we be like Christ...
Other denominations out there understand tithing better than this mega-church. Lutherans are pretty good with the proper distinction between Law and Gospel. Ask questions to a nearby Lutheran Pastor.
sblankman 1 year ago
@sblankman Jesus is NOT a tithe to the world!
"Now consider how great this man was, unto whom even the patriarch Abraham gave the tenth of the spoils." Heb 7:4
This verse indicates that one tithes to the greater.
"And here men that die receive tithes; but there he receiveth them, of whom it is witnessed that he liveth." Heb 7:8, read all of Heb 7.
The god of this world did NOT receive a tithe from GOD. JESUS was a GIFT received by those who believe in Him!
Enoch2 1 year ago
This is the worst video I have ever seen.
brandonisuglyno 1 year ago
Jesus loves us...not because we give....but because it is His unconditional gift to us. Tithing doctrine implies that we can earn God's blessing...or lose it by our works. Children receive your Fathers love...you do not have to earn it!
Tithingtruth1 1 year ago
It's disheartening to see Chrisitians who are being led by corrupt leadership who are so greedy that God seems to be an afterthought. If your church teaches the OT Tithe, you should run. We do need to give to support our churches when they support the flock, but first they must be carrying out the Great Commission. I've seen worse manipulation in chuches. I've heard preachers calling people who don't tithe, robbers who deal in stolen goods. It's pathetic to see this.
SkiesVibrant 1 year ago
There are some churches that actually keep track of which members tithe and those that don't. There is a church in one of the Carolinas that tells people they aren't welcome if they don't tithe. But it gets worse. Ed Young in Florida has asked his flock for their bank routing and account numbers so they can take the tithe. I was appalled when I saw it. See for yourself. It was preached at Fellowship Church in Florida on 10/10/10. I have the link if anyone want's to send me a pm.
SkiesVibrant 1 year ago
The argument FOR tithing goes like this:
We don't tithe because it is required in The Law, we tithe BECAUSE ... tithing predates the Law (Abraham tithed BEFORE the Law).
.. therefore we should tithe.
>> WELL, circumcision is also part of The Law. ... And, like tithing, it ALSO predates The Law. (Abraham was commanded to be circumcised).
Therefore we should be circumcised?
Paul said NO. ( and I'm sure he knew it predated The Law).
His argument equally applies to tithing..
jamesbabyar 1 year ago 5
@jamesbabyar Beautiful point. So simple but certain humans love to make it as difficult as possible.
seedsofgrace 1 year ago
@jamesbabyar An other point. Abraham tithed from spoils of war. So do we need to wage war first, loot the enemy and then tithe to God? Also predates the Law right?
Skaz32225 1 year ago
@Skaz32225 Right. Tithing predates the Law. But so does circumcision. If one believes he MUST tithe because it predates the Law, he MUST also be circumcised because it ALSO predates the Law. But Paul says ABSOLUTELY NOT to circumcision. The same is equally true concerning tithing.
jamesbabyar 1 year ago
Respond to this video... Yes, it's interesting that Abraham didn't keep ANYTHING for himself. He took the stuff he recaptured, gave a tenth of it to Melchizedek, and then gave the rest back to their original owners.
This has NOTHING to do with the 3 tithes in the Law of Moses for the Israelites.
- and if it IS something that Christians are to practice, then I guess we'd better go find stolen property,recapture it, tithe out of it, and return the rest of it to it's owners.
jamesbabyar 1 year ago
@jamesbabyar Good points.
seedsofgrace 1 year ago
@jamesbabyar Also Abraham only tithed after the slaughter of the kings. Perhaps we need to slaughter some kings and then tithe. Also he only tithed once to Melchezidek not every week. It is just a lack of faith in God and people twist scripture for their own benefit. Also notice that most people don't know their bibles and follow these false teachers.
JNR
jnr8877 1 year ago
@jamesbabyar If u want to live under the age of law, then tithe. But i live under the age of grace or the church age, and it's not a command to tithe. Tithing will not save u. Do God deal with ages? Colossians 1:26-27, Ephesians 1:10, 2:6-9, 3:5-6, 21. Now if one was robbing God in our times, it would be a sin. So why in the name of God, are people like me and many others are still receiving the Holy Ghost speaking in tongues? God's presence won't deal in a sinful body. Acts 2:38, is God's way
rossdaboss1959 1 year ago
@jamesbabyar Laws are defined not made, meaning the fulfillment on what Abraham was doing was eventually defined as law. You can't make up a LAW w/o any reason, I assume as to enforce it you need a reason. The actions(s) that provoked the reason to create the law is what is defined and made into a law. Laws are created when there is little to no understanding about the subject in which the law was made or to manipulate the one that it is being enforced on.
cdawg3712 1 year ago
@jamesbabyar For example: The Law of Gravity wouldn't be a law if we understood how to defy it. The Law of tithing wouldn't be a law if we understood that we do not need currency or a form of value exchange to live. Man creates laws out of reasons that he does not understand and unfortunately blames God for creating it. God created the earth before man and give him everything he needed to thrive and survive. MAN created rules and laws out of greed and misunderstanding of himself and God.
cdawg3712 1 year ago
@jamesbabyar what did Abraham tithe spoils of war? So we should give ten percent of stolen goods to a priest im lost.......
FuturePast83 1 year ago
@jamesbabyar As soon as God codified it in Mosaic Law it became law that has been fulfiled by Christ's sacrifice.
OdisWilliamsMedia 1 year ago
@jamesbabyar
When you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth. Arthur Conan Doyle, Sr.
If Abraham said I will not take anything that is yours, lest you should say, "I have made Abram rich'
Then can Abraham take a tenth of the spoils?
If Abraham lived in Mamre the Amorite then met Melchizedek at Valley of Shaveh and had not yet gone home then could Abraham give his own personal possessions?
tegf4 1 year ago
@jamesbabyar But Abraham was declared righteous before circumcision and tithing was before circumcision.
RepresentingTruth 7 months ago
I don't get it because we have all this good preachers up there that teach good but in the end they endorse the tithe. If they know the bible so much more than us simple people and are honest, how come they don't realize it and teach the way it should be? I watched preachers like, Paul washer, Jentezen Franklin, and others, but when asked about tithe, they prefer not to answer or give an explanation that always leads to giving a tithe, but about being in the new covenant?
kawayan65 1 year ago
@kawayan65 I have a video somewhere on my computer with paul washer endorsing the tithe. Sadly, he has succomed to the business of preaching tithing along with many many others.
It's pretty cut and dry I don't understand the willfull ignorance coming from the prosperity teachers.
seedsofgrace 1 year ago
@seedsofgrace You are right. I left a church that I attended for about 16 months because i noticed lots of pride and a big focus on finances and how to increase the church members.
thanks God now I attend a small church which focus in teaching the bible as it is rather than focusing on money.
kawayan65 1 year ago
Do you know some people idolize money or put their needs before God..God said don't worry about you will eat drink or wear..Matthew 6:33.. some people say don't tithe and God send them to hell..or they abuse tithing..to get rich..you must have wisdom..if i got only a dollar in my pocket ..i am trusting God to feed me if i give him my last dollar. That is what TRUSTING in him mean..especially when he says give your last dollar. but if you have money and know to give to God ...
usedbyjesus 1 year ago
Christ makes it clear for us! Read His words. John 10:11-14
buddo1999 1 year ago
You've just rationalized away the entire biblical concept of sowing and reaping. There was no covenant with Levi. It was with Abraham. You assume preachers misuse scripture "mainly for their monetary gain and greed" but that isn't so. My pastor doesn't get paid. Christ says in Matt 5:17 He came to fulfill the law, not abolish it. Not to mention, the tithe came before the law with Abraham and Melchizedek. You have made a video of untruths, assumptions, and misinformation.
christianpreachr 1 year ago
@christianpreachr I am glad to hear that your pastor doesn't take money. But way to many of today's preachers to misuse scripture for their selfish ambition. I beg you to re-read Gen. 14 in detail, Abraham never gave anyone a tithe of his own money as is taught today. He gave of the spoils of war. (see also Hebrews 7)
Plus that was a one time thing.
This is a video of Biblical truth.
God Bless
Elijah43mb 1 year ago
@Elijah43mb The tithe is of your increase. In those times, your increase was in cattle. This video is scriptually incorrect. Scripture supports tithing, no scripture denounces it.
christianpreachr 1 year ago
@christianpreachr Do you believe that everyone had cattle, so they all tithed cattle? But what about those who were fisherman, or basket makers, they only sold their goods, they didn't have an increase to tithe.
There was money in those days when the Law of God came down to Israel, but he never told them to tithe money, or shekels, or Gold, only food items that where edible. The only seed that there is, is the Word of God, not our hundred dollar bills.
Elijah43mb 1 year ago
@Elijah43mb Your query is answered by the story of Cain and Able. God accepted Able's offering. One was a farmer, the other a cattleman. The tithe predates the Law. Our example of tithing comes from Abraham, not his grandson. Increase is increase. Your ox give birth, you have increase. Your seed yields harvest, you have increase. In this age, our increase is with money.
The principle of reaping and sowing is eternal. It even manifests itself in the natural. Hence, the Stock Market.
christianpreachr 1 year ago
@christianpreachr Look seriously into your own heart and you will see that the reason you single out one part of the law and not anything else is simply because of monetary gain. You know this is true but yet you do your best to disguise it with some drivel about it still being relevant to today. Please, come on get off your rich high horse and leave the poor people's money alone, and let them become more freer cheerful givers!
lullaboonookoo 1 year ago
@christianpreachr First of all, no one who is against tithing has ever said anything about not 'sowing and reaping' as you put it. Thats rediculous for you to assume that, but typical to cover your own ethical flaws. Simply put, GIVING cheerfully as the Holy Spirit wills at any given moment, IS SOWING, and then therefore you shall reap! Understand? Tithing is a completely different robotic OT style slave-type un-freeing practice. Think about it!
lullaboonookoo 1 year ago
@christianpreachr And you say that your pastor doesnt get paid? Bollocks! It is scriptural for a preacher to be paid, and you know that. If he tells you that he isnt its because he does not want you or anyone else spreading around the truth that he takes large portions from the kitty for his own gain. I dont doubt that a lot of good is done with some of the money which is 'tithed' to your church, but please, dont tell us he doesnt get paid. Thats a lie. He would get paid in some way for certain!