the strange symbol which is like a triangle with no bottom line above a letter is called a circumflex. Well, in French where it is most commonly used it is called that. It is supposed to mean that there used to be an 's' there. ex: ê
FYI: in English (as in other Germanic languages) we really only have two tenses: past and other. That's why we have to have so many stupid helping verbs (to transform our two real tenses into all of the tenses that we actually need.)
There is a use of the hyphen and the apostrophe in Pont writing, although they are not pronounced and are actually there as code switching indicators so that dialects can be made based on any other language to allow people to learn a new language in practicable stages rather than having to learn everything at once. If you are interested in learning more, send me a message on Twitter saying so. @DonaldKronos
Long story there. Anyway... about the name "Esperanto" ... L. L. Zamenhof published his International language under the pseudonym "Doktoro Esperanto" which means litterally "Doctor Hoping-one" if you understand the nominative verb conjugation.
I am constructing a language that allows bothvariations, but I am NOT making it to replace or compete with languages like Ido, Esperanto, Volpuk and Interlingua. I am creating it as a bridging language to facilitate the learning of any language.
Where humilulo corrected your pronunciation of Ido vowels, the correction was actually incorrect according to the official rules for Ido pronunciation. The letter i is pronoounced in Ido like the short i sound in "fish" and the letter "e" is pronounced like the short "e" in "egg" ... In Esperanto the vowels are like in Spanish.
I've only just discovered IAL a few months ago (mid 2010), and I'm really split as to whether I should learn an auxlang or not, and which one. The Esperanto community is set in their language, they've dug the trenches and are in it for the long haul, but everyone else is scattered and it seems the Esperanto non-supporters can't decided on an alternative. There are so so so many alternatives. Today I discovered Novial from 1928, the first auxlang to be created by a professional linguist. (cont)
You probably know about lots of them now since your video is 3 years old, but anyway, I have the same issues with English. Lucky for me I grew up with it. Novial has a very English-type grammar so it's flexible but very regular and the vocabulary and word construction is consistent. It's frustrating that Interlingua doesn't have a set pronunciation, that it's mainly for written work. The IALA did a lot of damage with Interlingua. A true IAL should be equally easy to write/read/speak.
Guys, have you ever ran into "Lingwa de Planeta" project? I found the idea very interesting as well as another one called "Fasile". The problem with "Lingwa de Planet" project is its name and some aspects of its implementation. Maybe one could join these two ideas into a better and single one.
Es ank interesanti, ke durant Idistes non forma tam grandi grupe kam Esperentistes, les sembla plu aktiv e have multi bon publikationes online. Por exemple on non pova trova lexike de Esperanto tam bon kam Dyer's Ido -English.
Li probleme max seriosi kun Esperanto es, ke lu have tro multi elementes gramatikal, keles non helpa fa lu plu expresiosi, ma solim fa lu plu komplikat.
Ido es plu bon, pro ke lu had abandona ti elementes. Tamen lu non es ideal. Men lingue ideal lia sur li li tere trovant inter Novial/Intal e Occidental/Interlingua. Salutes.
Esperanto is really eay to learn... :-D it took to me just 2 weeks to start speaking....and 1 month to be fluent enough to be able to read original novels :)
I'm learning Polish, and while in many ways it's very complicated, it does have one thing in common with Esperanto. To negate any adjective you use a single prefix 'nie' as opposed to the many 'un/in/de/dis/anti' etc in English. 'Nie' as a separate word also means 'no' and 'not'. So that's one of the simpler things about polish.
And Esperanto does not me "I hope". that was your second incorrect piece of information. But i didn't catch any others. I started learning Esperanto till i found that my Esperanto web pages could not be represented on my cell phone's web pages. So i looked into Ido. And after studying them both for a while, i prefer Ido, by far! And there is an online community who uses it. :)
i like your post, but there is one thing that just bugs me my friend. you don't pronounce Ido correctly. Actually, you butcher the pronunciation. Ido vowels are pronounced as Spanish vowels. "Ido" is not "eye doe", but "ee-doe". At least you got the "do" correct as "doe" not the Eng wore "do" (doo). :)
Your arguments are really too simple !!! There are other languages more interesting than english, other cultures than american and english. Do you know the word "diversity" ? I don't think !!!!
i agree. and English is my native language. but i dislike it. but that is also why i'm thankful to have learned it as my natural language, because altho i like languages, i think English would be one i would want to avoid if i didn't learn it as a child due to all its complexities.
Natural languages have better flow but they're harder to learn. I think a language should be somewhat "beautiful", or at least flow well. Lingua Franca Nova and Interlingua flow well and sound almost like natural languages, because they are composed of natural languages moreso than other auxilliary ones, right? But then they aren't fair to people who don't speak European languages so there goes that. What do we do?
Ask other people from non-English speaking countries and they will tell you the same. Compared to languages like French, Spanish and Italian English is really easy because it has no conjugations of verbs and no declinations of nouns either. It's probably the easiest ethnical language on the planet. The only language which I would consider to be easier than English is the auxiliary language Esperanto.
But if English is hard to learn as you say, then everybody who has mastered it must be a pro.
I find Malay easier. But I agree that the structure of English is simple. What ruins it is the pathetic spelling and all of the grammatical exceptions to perfectly good rules. Fix those and you'd have a great system. I have talked to many ESL students over the years in the college where I work and they usually say the same thing: the basic structure is easy, but the spelling and all of the broken rules make up for that easiness. It could be a breeze if it followed its own rules.
wow, biochips, you seem to have not looked into English much. we do have conjugations in English: "i go, you go, he goES". and even "i AM, you ARE, and he IS". true tho "compared to French, Spanish, Italian", but comparing one *easier* aspect of English to other languages that have a harder aspect is an inaccurate language comparison in a whole. in a whole, Engish is much harder than all three of those. conjugations is the hardest part in Spanish, but English has very complex complexities.
English complexities: pronunciation is *horrid*. Spanish would be a better IAL than English. Basic English would be a good IAL if the pronunciation was clean (which it isn't) due to our nice international alphabet, but the rest of the complexities of English make it more difficult that French, Spanish & Italian put together, in my opinion. I estim8 English is 4 times as hard as Spanish.
and you write of declensions of nouns as if they are a bad thing. which is easier: hermano/hermana, or brother/sister? it seems to me the declensions of nouns is a benefit to French, Spanish & Italian, and disadvantage to English! Unless, everything English has, is an advantage, and any differences to it would be a disadvantage. :P I must not follow what you mean by that. And *ALL* IAL's that i've looked at were easier than English! Is Esperanto the *only* one you've really considered?
Small correction. Ido is not pronounced "eye-doh" like you were saying. It's pronounced "ee-doh".
I've been researching all these languages and in my opinion, Ido is the best in terms of simplified grammar, spelling, pronunciation, etc. It's my favorite language and I'm learning it with incredible ease. I could definitely see myself becoming fluent in less than a year. That's how amazing of a language it is.
And when lying flat on the floor Feeling the weight of their feet You'll be unable to fight any more 'Cos you can't Lojbanic Lords beat
Then let your pale lips mumble Apology really honest & humble Do not dare be Lojbanophobic Kneel down before predicate logic 'Cos well know who's not a fool That some day Lojban will rule!
Natural languages are cool, but you'd better start learning them before you are3. Esperanto was created by an oculist so it is nice to look at, however no so nice to speak or listen to. My top three conlangs are: 1.NOVIAL 2.INTERLINGUA 3.LOJBAN/LOGLAN English is great unless our students wish to express something more complex than "May I go to the toilet?"
hey mate, I'm not sure if u knw any other language other than American English. Go to India and learn "Sanskrit", u ll come to know how advance that language is....best of luck
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Dude, you're boring. As for an international language, we have one, it's called English, look into it. There are approx. 900 "constructed" languages, clearly no single one will emerge the winner, heck, Esperanto only has 1 million speakers worldwide (allegedly). Not only that, but languages morph constantly, look at irregular verbs in English, people are lazy and they get sloppy when they speak.
I'm interested in Lojban. Esparanto looks like white people trying to conform Spanish, IMo. Even though it's been around for 100 years, I think it's going to get wiped out. Hopefully. Cuz it's lame compared to Lojban from what I've been studying of the two. Never heard of interlingua before this though... will have to look into that...
ANYBODY THAT WANTS TO LEARN/HELP STUDY LOJBAN WITH ME CONTACT ME!
Auxiliary languages have a Western bias - but Interlingua minimizes that bias. And when you compare it to, say, English or Spanish, Interlingua is more understandable worldwide.
I think Interlingua is the most natural, flowing auxiliary language. Interlingua was also standardized to be as international as possible. I think that, to this day, it's the only auxiliary language that can make that claim: the maximum number of people worldwide can understand it when they see or hear it, and this makes for fast, easy learning. I learned it in less than one week!
English may be easy in basic communication (except its pronunciation), but when it comes to expressing more sophisticated ideas, most intermediate students are at loss as nobody has taught them to THINK in English and nobody has shown them HOW IT WORKS ( I mean logic, not grammar)
Interlingua because it has no articles (great for people that don't have them in their native language), orthography is phonetic (so c is always pronounced like a k, as in the original Latin) and the vocabulary can be found through any Latin dictionary. The problem with LsF is that it's pretty much dead and needs to be revived before it can be used, which is why I want to upload the old documents from Peano that you can find in the Library of Congress for example, so that people can see what
Nice video. Let me share with you my experience regarding IALs:
Esperanto: it's okay, but I found Ido four days after I started learning it and Ido's been my favorite since then (2005).
Interlingua: suitable for reading, but I've never liked the orthography and irregular stress. For a non-European language speaker it's not as easy to learn as it could be so I can't recommend it to people here in Korea for example.
Latino sine Flexione: this is my other favorite one, and far better IMO than
I would not describe Lojban as "easy" exactly, but I would argue that it is easi ... as in, easier than learning a natural language. One major caveat, though: it is easier than learning a language which is not related to one you already speak and which you are not already familiar with at all. So, Esperanto feels easy to people who speak European languages because it is based on Euro-language norms. Lojban is supposed to be about equally easy/hard for people from anywhere.
Hi. I have undertaken almost the same research you have, and in this unscientific journey I have pictured the whole thing this way: 1) English is really hard to learn. I think I will never really tame it. 2) Interlingua is very very interesting, but severely limited to Western culture. Its writing system seems difficult to learn, its use, restricted to abstract texts and therefore not appropriate to home use. 3) Esperanto: I found it disappointedly difficult to learn for a native
2) How is Interlingua limited to "abstract texts"? It's a full working language, isn't it?
3) Why do you think the Esperanto writing system is "ugly and odd"? What writing systems are better, and why?
You say an IAL has to be "easy to learn and beautiful". I certainly agree with the first part. But as for the latter, how do we gauge beauty? Generally speaking, it seems that every language will sound strange to those who don't speak it, and normal to those that do.
Hi, Interlingua. How would you say "goalkeeper" and "mouse", "cool" in interlingua? Esperanto. Beauty.
Beauty is in the eye of the observer, but there must be sort of common denominator. So weird things like Portuguese nasal sounds, Spanish jand z, French r, English th (as in theater) etc. should be avoided in an international language.
The writing systems which are better are those which do NOT use diacritical signs and no peculiar letters like the german "B". Besides, all those esperanto's hung "j" at the end of the words... Definitely don't look good!
it's Not necessary one letter one sound. What's necessary is, if any group of letters is adopted for representing one sound, so this group has to represent only this sound, always.
speaker of Portuguese (my case), besides its writing is ugly and odd. 4) Ido is the best idea I've ever met. It has two flaws though. One of them is intolerable: It sounds ugly. 4) Lojban: unusual vocabulary, small numbers of speakers, if any. I suppose it is as difficult to learn as any national language. I am not an expert in languages but I believe there are two critical elements for any IAL candidate. It has to be easy to learn and beautiful. This is the only way they can be attractive.
I would have to disagree, Esperanto is probaly the easiest language i've learned! I learned ALL the grammar within weeks. I was speaking in ALL Esperanto chat rooms within 2 months. As for esperanto writing, it uses the latin alphabet, to me, looks natural and beautiful. Of course Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, yadda yadda yadda..
You probably are gifted for languages. Not everybody is. An IAL targets people who has not this gift and generally doesn't like learning languages, this is why it has to be attractive. In my experience, Italian is much easier than Esperanto. This is unacceptable for a serious IAL candidate.
I know of many people who aren't gifted for languages, in any way... but have had no problem at all learning Esperanto. An IAL with only 16 gramatical rules is far easier than any natural language, and can't compare with Italian or Spanish, or any language for that matter, as far as simplicity. As for Esperanto being a pet language...It's far from it. Esperanto has a culture, a way of life. Esperanto brings people together, creating freindships and families, and breaking down barriors.
Technically, Esperanto does not have a gender bias. Each word is made of 2 main parts, excluding prefixes and suffixes: a root, and an ending. Take the root 'vir' if you add an 'o' it means man(viro) if you add an 'ino' it becomes woman(virino). This goes for any noun that can have a sex: bov(o) means bull, bov(ino) means cow. All nouns, male and female, start the same.
ph= f fopr some reason lololololol thaty made me crack up!!!!
iggymydog 4 months ago in playlist Lojban
the strange symbol which is like a triangle with no bottom line above a letter is called a circumflex. Well, in French where it is most commonly used it is called that. It is supposed to mean that there used to be an 's' there. ex: ê
OjoOro 4 months ago
FYI: in English (as in other Germanic languages) we really only have two tenses: past and other. That's why we have to have so many stupid helping verbs (to transform our two real tenses into all of the tenses that we actually need.)
hailvishnu 4 months ago
There is a use of the hyphen and the apostrophe in Pont writing, although they are not pronounced and are actually there as code switching indicators so that dialects can be made based on any other language to allow people to learn a new language in practicable stages rather than having to learn everything at once. If you are interested in learning more, send me a message on Twitter saying so. @DonaldKronos
techiezeus 5 months ago
Anyway, the Pont language (still under development) uses a much simpler phonetic system than Ido and does not use any digraphs or accent marks.
techiezeus 5 months ago
Long story there. Anyway... about the name "Esperanto" ... L. L. Zamenhof published his International language under the pseudonym "Doktoro Esperanto" which means litterally "Doctor Hoping-one" if you understand the nominative verb conjugation.
techiezeus 5 months ago
I am constructing a language that allows bothvariations, but I am NOT making it to replace or compete with languages like Ido, Esperanto, Volpuk and Interlingua. I am creating it as a bridging language to facilitate the learning of any language.
techiezeus 5 months ago
Where humilulo corrected your pronunciation of Ido vowels, the correction was actually incorrect according to the official rules for Ido pronunciation. The letter i is pronoounced in Ido like the short i sound in "fish" and the letter "e" is pronounced like the short "e" in "egg" ... In Esperanto the vowels are like in Spanish.
techiezeus 5 months ago
lol, "they have past, and then they have present-and-or-future" haha
cyleleghorn246 7 months ago
I'm learning Ido. It's not hard, what's hard is finding sources to learn it.
RandomEvenBlogg 10 months ago
subscribe to me please, you just earned a subscirber. This video is Great, Keep up the good work!!
papasmurfXXX 11 months ago
Hey nice basement!
mastttt91 1 year ago
I've only just discovered IAL a few months ago (mid 2010), and I'm really split as to whether I should learn an auxlang or not, and which one. The Esperanto community is set in their language, they've dug the trenches and are in it for the long haul, but everyone else is scattered and it seems the Esperanto non-supporters can't decided on an alternative. There are so so so many alternatives. Today I discovered Novial from 1928, the first auxlang to be created by a professional linguist. (cont)
gposhto 1 year ago
You probably know about lots of them now since your video is 3 years old, but anyway, I have the same issues with English. Lucky for me I grew up with it. Novial has a very English-type grammar so it's flexible but very regular and the vocabulary and word construction is consistent. It's frustrating that Interlingua doesn't have a set pronunciation, that it's mainly for written work. The IALA did a lot of damage with Interlingua. A true IAL should be equally easy to write/read/speak.
gposhto 1 year ago
I'd prefer Interlíngua though.
douglasroma1 1 year ago
Guys, have you ever ran into "Lingwa de Planeta" project? I found the idea very interesting as well as another one called "Fasile". The problem with "Lingwa de Planet" project is its name and some aspects of its implementation. Maybe one could join these two ideas into a better and single one.
duubamg 1 year ago
Es ank interesanti, ke durant Idistes non forma tam grandi grupe kam Esperentistes, les sembla plu aktiv e have multi bon publikationes online. Por exemple on non pova trova lexike de Esperanto tam bon kam Dyer's Ido -English.
GEDANUS6 1 year ago
Li probleme max seriosi kun Esperanto es, ke lu have tro multi elementes gramatikal, keles non helpa fa lu plu expresiosi, ma solim fa lu plu komplikat.
Ido es plu bon, pro ke lu had abandona ti elementes. Tamen lu non es ideal. Men lingue ideal lia sur li li tere trovant inter Novial/Intal e Occidental/Interlingua. Salutes.
GEDANUS6 1 year ago
Esperanto is really eay to learn... :-D it took to me just 2 weeks to start speaking....and 1 month to be fluent enough to be able to read original novels :)
AriodanteITA 1 year ago
I'm learning Polish, and while in many ways it's very complicated, it does have one thing in common with Esperanto. To negate any adjective you use a single prefix 'nie' as opposed to the many 'un/in/de/dis/anti' etc in English. 'Nie' as a separate word also means 'no' and 'not'. So that's one of the simpler things about polish.
Conway79 2 years ago
yeah, that is simpler
sonicsuns 2 years ago
im learning russian :D...
leshark 2 years ago
And Esperanto does not me "I hope". that was your second incorrect piece of information. But i didn't catch any others. I started learning Esperanto till i found that my Esperanto web pages could not be represented on my cell phone's web pages. So i looked into Ido. And after studying them both for a while, i prefer Ido, by far! And there is an online community who uses it. :)
humilulo 2 years ago
Yeah, I was wrong about "I hope" too. I've added explanations to the description box.
And yeah, I think Ido is better than Esperanto, though I can't speak either of them (yet).
Thanks for your comments
sonicsuns 2 years ago
i like your post, but there is one thing that just bugs me my friend. you don't pronounce Ido correctly. Actually, you butcher the pronunciation. Ido vowels are pronounced as Spanish vowels. "Ido" is not "eye doe", but "ee-doe". At least you got the "do" correct as "doe" not the Eng wore "do" (doo). :)
humilulo 2 years ago
yeah, you're right, it's eee-doe
sonicsuns 2 years ago
Your arguments are really too simple !!! There are other languages more interesting than english, other cultures than american and english. Do you know the word "diversity" ? I don't think !!!!
Allanig 2 years ago
Why speaking only english ???? Always ! Always! Always english !!! I'm fed up with that dictatorial language !
Allanig 2 years ago
go live in a cave, then you dont have to speak to anyone :)
longhornJohnny 2 years ago
i agree. and English is my native language. but i dislike it. but that is also why i'm thankful to have learned it as my natural language, because altho i like languages, i think English would be one i would want to avoid if i didn't learn it as a child due to all its complexities.
humilulo 2 years ago
where are u from? i like ur accent
tpcardoso 2 years ago
I'm american
sonicsuns 2 years ago
Natural languages have better flow but they're harder to learn. I think a language should be somewhat "beautiful", or at least flow well. Lingua Franca Nova and Interlingua flow well and sound almost like natural languages, because they are composed of natural languages moreso than other auxilliary ones, right? But then they aren't fair to people who don't speak European languages so there goes that. What do we do?
lphead 2 years ago
Esperanto flows great. Better than some aspects of my native language.
LaPingvino 2 years ago
English is not hard to learn.
Biochips1 2 years ago
Bull.
christocr 2 years ago
Ask other people from non-English speaking countries and they will tell you the same. Compared to languages like French, Spanish and Italian English is really easy because it has no conjugations of verbs and no declinations of nouns either. It's probably the easiest ethnical language on the planet. The only language which I would consider to be easier than English is the auxiliary language Esperanto.
But if English is hard to learn as you say, then everybody who has mastered it must be a pro.
Biochips1 2 years ago
I find Malay easier. But I agree that the structure of English is simple. What ruins it is the pathetic spelling and all of the grammatical exceptions to perfectly good rules. Fix those and you'd have a great system. I have talked to many ESL students over the years in the college where I work and they usually say the same thing: the basic structure is easy, but the spelling and all of the broken rules make up for that easiness. It could be a breeze if it followed its own rules.
christocr 2 years ago
wow, biochips, you seem to have not looked into English much. we do have conjugations in English: "i go, you go, he goES". and even "i AM, you ARE, and he IS". true tho "compared to French, Spanish, Italian", but comparing one *easier* aspect of English to other languages that have a harder aspect is an inaccurate language comparison in a whole. in a whole, Engish is much harder than all three of those. conjugations is the hardest part in Spanish, but English has very complex complexities.
humilulo 2 years ago
English complexities: pronunciation is *horrid*. Spanish would be a better IAL than English. Basic English would be a good IAL if the pronunciation was clean (which it isn't) due to our nice international alphabet, but the rest of the complexities of English make it more difficult that French, Spanish & Italian put together, in my opinion. I estim8 English is 4 times as hard as Spanish.
humilulo 2 years ago
and you write of declensions of nouns as if they are a bad thing. which is easier: hermano/hermana, or brother/sister? it seems to me the declensions of nouns is a benefit to French, Spanish & Italian, and disadvantage to English! Unless, everything English has, is an advantage, and any differences to it would be a disadvantage. :P I must not follow what you mean by that. And *ALL* IAL's that i've looked at were easier than English! Is Esperanto the *only* one you've really considered?
humilulo 2 years ago
Small correction. Ido is not pronounced "eye-doh" like you were saying. It's pronounced "ee-doh".
I've been researching all these languages and in my opinion, Ido is the best in terms of simplified grammar, spelling, pronunciation, etc. It's my favorite language and I'm learning it with incredible ease. I could definitely see myself becoming fluent in less than a year. That's how amazing of a language it is.
nicknem8 3 years ago 2
Ĉu vi vere konas kion Esperanto estas?
hrcg1963 3 years ago
And when lying flat on the floor Feeling the weight of their feet You'll be unable to fight any more 'Cos you can't Lojbanic Lords beat
Then let your pale lips mumble Apology really honest & humble Do not dare be Lojbanophobic Kneel down before predicate logic 'Cos well know who's not a fool That some day Lojban will rule!
GEDANUS6 3 years ago
Natural languages are cool, but you'd better start learning them before you are3. Esperanto was created by an oculist so it is nice to look at, however no so nice to speak or listen to. My top three conlangs are: 1.NOVIAL 2.INTERLINGUA 3.LOJBAN/LOGLAN English is great unless our students wish to express something more complex than "May I go to the toilet?"
GEDANUS6 3 years ago
hey mate, I'm not sure if u knw any other language other than American English. Go to India and learn "Sanskrit", u ll come to know how advance that language is....best of luck
tchirom 3 years ago
Ne krokodilu, ni ne komprenas la anglan; Or you called say something in lojban to have fun...
Bjokac 3 years ago
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Dude, you're boring. As for an international language, we have one, it's called English, look into it. There are approx. 900 "constructed" languages, clearly no single one will emerge the winner, heck, Esperanto only has 1 million speakers worldwide (allegedly). Not only that, but languages morph constantly, look at irregular verbs in English, people are lazy and they get sloppy when they speak.
openuniverse2003 3 years ago
You won't be talking like that once lojban rules the world and the lojban dictators crush you under their iron hoof of logic.
iwantagoodnameplease 3 years ago
Are you 10 years old, you moron?
openuniverse2003 3 years ago
Not at all!
I'm old enough to remember the last time a language took over the world. And let me tell you: You're next. Oh yes, you're next!
mwhahahahahaha
iwantagoodnameplease 3 years ago 4
I think Ayola is the easiest language for a Westerner to learn. They say it can be learned in 200 hours.
This language is also be the easiest western-like language for an eastern to learn.
arpee9216 3 years ago
I'm interested in Lojban. Esparanto looks like white people trying to conform Spanish, IMo. Even though it's been around for 100 years, I think it's going to get wiped out. Hopefully. Cuz it's lame compared to Lojban from what I've been studying of the two. Never heard of interlingua before this though... will have to look into that...
ANYBODY THAT WANTS TO LEARN/HELP STUDY LOJBAN WITH ME CONTACT ME!
GrandNoble 3 years ago
You are aware the Spaniards who invented Spanish were white people? Or that they still speak it?
MrKrov 3 years ago 4
Auxiliary languages have a Western bias - but Interlingua minimizes that bias. And when you compare it to, say, English or Spanish, Interlingua is more understandable worldwide.
CrisBrighton 3 years ago 2
Not all of them. Some use grammar and syntax from other natural languages, like Quenchuan.
Auxiliary languages from other parts of the world, if there are any, would be biased too.
Also, "Ido" is pronounced "EE-do"
MrKrov 3 years ago
I think Interlingua is the most natural, flowing auxiliary language. Interlingua was also standardized to be as international as possible. I think that, to this day, it's the only auxiliary language that can make that claim: the maximum number of people worldwide can understand it when they see or hear it, and this makes for fast, easy learning. I learned it in less than one week!
CrisBrighton 3 years ago
English may be easy in basic communication (except its pronunciation), but when it comes to expressing more sophisticated ideas, most intermediate students are at loss as nobody has taught them to THINK in English and nobody has shown them HOW IT WORKS ( I mean logic, not grammar)
GEDANUS6 3 years ago 2
I want to learn Lojban
DivineFayezOla 3 years ago
You can download EK! a program that will put the breve for you if you type a x after the letter.
example: Ĉu vi parolas esperanton.
sodukube1 3 years ago
If yu thing english is dificult don't even try to learn portuguese, lol...
AzoreanProud 3 years ago
My favorite is "I will have been having to do it."
semoss50 3 years ago
Interlingua rules!!
emanuelovesyou 3 years ago 7
the language looks like and hopefully get excited about it again.
Ido's the only language I've actually used in speech, for about five hours or so. It works just fine.
mithradates 4 years ago
Interlingua because it has no articles (great for people that don't have them in their native language), orthography is phonetic (so c is always pronounced like a k, as in the original Latin) and the vocabulary can be found through any Latin dictionary. The problem with LsF is that it's pretty much dead and needs to be revived before it can be used, which is why I want to upload the old documents from Peano that you can find in the Library of Congress for example, so that people can see what
mithradates 4 years ago
Nice video. Let me share with you my experience regarding IALs:
Esperanto: it's okay, but I found Ido four days after I started learning it and Ido's been my favorite since then (2005).
Interlingua: suitable for reading, but I've never liked the orthography and irregular stress. For a non-European language speaker it's not as easy to learn as it could be so I can't recommend it to people here in Korea for example.
Latino sine Flexione: this is my other favorite one, and far better IMO than
mithradates 4 years ago
Pretty interesting topic you've chosen to discuss, found it after deciding to embark on a Lojban learning adventure.
kiteokun 4 years ago
yeah? how's that going so far? Has lojban been easy for you?
sonicsuns 4 years ago
I would not describe Lojban as "easy" exactly, but I would argue that it is easi ... as in, easier than learning a natural language. One major caveat, though: it is easier than learning a language which is not related to one you already speak and which you are not already familiar with at all. So, Esperanto feels easy to people who speak European languages because it is based on Euro-language norms. Lojban is supposed to be about equally easy/hard for people from anywhere.
okerner 4 years ago
You filmed this on my birthday ^_^
This is anice vid man, i like your videos... found you becasue of your SiCKO one. God job. Keep thinking (Y)
BuggerDan 4 years ago
Hi. I have undertaken almost the same research you have, and in this unscientific journey I have pictured the whole thing this way: 1) English is really hard to learn. I think I will never really tame it. 2) Interlingua is very very interesting, but severely limited to Western culture. Its writing system seems difficult to learn, its use, restricted to abstract texts and therefore not appropriate to home use. 3) Esperanto: I found it disappointedly difficult to learn for a native
duubamg 4 years ago
1) I agree, English is weird
2) How is Interlingua limited to "abstract texts"? It's a full working language, isn't it?
3) Why do you think the Esperanto writing system is "ugly and odd"? What writing systems are better, and why?
You say an IAL has to be "easy to learn and beautiful". I certainly agree with the first part. But as for the latter, how do we gauge beauty? Generally speaking, it seems that every language will sound strange to those who don't speak it, and normal to those that do.
sonicsuns 4 years ago
Hi, Interlingua. How would you say "goalkeeper" and "mouse", "cool" in interlingua? Esperanto. Beauty.
Beauty is in the eye of the observer, but there must be sort of common denominator. So weird things like Portuguese nasal sounds, Spanish jand z, French r, English th (as in theater) etc. should be avoided in an international language.
duubamg 4 years ago
The writing systems which are better are those which do NOT use diacritical signs and no peculiar letters like the german "B". Besides, all those esperanto's hung "j" at the end of the words... Definitely don't look good!
duubamg 4 years ago
it's Not necessary one letter one sound. What's necessary is, if any group of letters is adopted for representing one sound, so this group has to represent only this sound, always.
duubamg 4 years ago
speaker of Portuguese (my case), besides its writing is ugly and odd. 4) Ido is the best idea I've ever met. It has two flaws though. One of them is intolerable: It sounds ugly. 4) Lojban: unusual vocabulary, small numbers of speakers, if any. I suppose it is as difficult to learn as any national language. I am not an expert in languages but I believe there are two critical elements for any IAL candidate. It has to be easy to learn and beautiful. This is the only way they can be attractive.
duubamg 4 years ago
I would have to disagree, Esperanto is probaly the easiest language i've learned! I learned ALL the grammar within weeks. I was speaking in ALL Esperanto chat rooms within 2 months. As for esperanto writing, it uses the latin alphabet, to me, looks natural and beautiful. Of course Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, yadda yadda yadda..
amadeus5521 4 years ago
You probably are gifted for languages. Not everybody is. An IAL targets people who has not this gift and generally doesn't like learning languages, this is why it has to be attractive. In my experience, Italian is much easier than Esperanto. This is unacceptable for a serious IAL candidate.
duubamg 4 years ago
I know of many people who aren't gifted for languages, in any way... but have had no problem at all learning Esperanto. An IAL with only 16 gramatical rules is far easier than any natural language, and can't compare with Italian or Spanish, or any language for that matter, as far as simplicity. As for Esperanto being a pet language...It's far from it. Esperanto has a culture, a way of life. Esperanto brings people together, creating freindships and families, and breaking down barriors.
amadeus5521 4 years ago
There are people who speak Esperanto nativley. A language like this is no 'Pet Language', but a ture, living and working language.
amadeus5521 4 years ago
I disagree that Esperanto is the gramatically easiiest language; Lingua Franca Nova (LFN) is even easier, in terms of grammar and pronunciation.
mahaliqbal 3 years ago
Sorry to say, but what Esperanto really is is a pet language.
duubamg 4 years ago
Technically, Esperanto does not have a gender bias. Each word is made of 2 main parts, excluding prefixes and suffixes: a root, and an ending. Take the root 'vir' if you add an 'o' it means man(viro) if you add an 'ino' it becomes woman(virino). This goes for any noun that can have a sex: bov(o) means bull, bov(ino) means cow. All nouns, male and female, start the same.
amadeus5521 4 years ago