It wouldn't be if you were unfortunate enough to live in North Korea, as the property of the socialist monarch of that land. In such countries, the utterly wretched nastiness of rule by a Marxist elite, and the insane absurdities that Marxist ideology demands of workers so reduced to the status of serfs, is not a matter for polite academic debate - it is a ever present reality of life.
@DrCruel Hitler invented nazism and promoted racial nationalism, that is a fact.
Marx invented communism and promoted WORKERS CONTROL not PARTY CONTROL of the means of production and the state, To evenually wither away to a stateless classless society.
@cary123 Marxism is not about promoting "worker control". That might be what Marxists say, but that's not what they do. It's akin to Hilter claiming he is in favor of peace (which he did say, frequently).
As for Karl Marx himself, he was an anti-Semitic lunatic who apparently failed to understand even the most basic rules of economics. He was discredited by serious academians long before the Bolsheviks came to power.
@DrCruel That is what marxism is, the values of workers control and the study of class struggle as a science, if they say there marxists, and they don't act like marxists, they are not marxist. Sorry.
Yes, but Marx never did any action contradictory to his beliefs.
He was anti-judaism, not anti-jew, dont take shit he said out of context.
@cary123 And if they say they're Marxists, and the Marxists say they're Marxists, and they act in a certain way, then that behavior defines what they are - and not the "pie-in-the-sky" bullshit they use to dupe their victims with.
I know what sort of language Marx used to attack his enemies with. And I also know that the Nazis, in part, used his comments regarding Jews to craft their own anti-Semitic ideological stance. If you'd like, I'll cite the stuff.
@DrCruel You know states like North Korea, China, Vietnam, etc. call themselfs Democracy's. They say there a Democracy, and other so called "Democracy's" consider them one, so I guess Democracy means a monarchic/oligarchic/militaristic one party republic. Not what they say Democracy is.
Marx used the word "Jew" as a casual curse like shit or fuck, he was biologically a Jew himself.
@cary123 Apparently he used the word "nigger" in a similar context. Of course, to my limited understanding of the Great Bearded One, it sounds very much like the sort of thing one would hear from other racists - but The Beloved Leader can do no wrong, even if the evidence is in black and white, so there must be some other explanation.
And yes. If democrats start saying that North Korea, China, Vietnam etc are "democracies", then the word democracy will come to mean a despotic one-party state.
@DrCruel What about the so called "Democratic" government of China and there so called "Communist" Party? All officials there claim to be "Democratic" and that China is a "Democratic" state. I guess that means a despotic one party state.
Ideas aren't named by the actions self-proclaimed leaders, they are rather defined by there original creators(Karl Marx and Fredrick Engels), and the opinions of its followers, not a elite of a party claiming to Marxist.
@cary123 Words mean what they are used for. If they deliberately diverge from the meanings their originators claim, then hypocrisy is also included as part of their meaning.
Indeed - in the context of Marxism, the words "Democratic" and "People's" do imply oppression and despotic rule. So you aren't too far off-base. George Orwell called this phenomena "Newspeak".
Woods is not alone in this - there is something of a tradition of Marxists writing rubbishy "scientific" works - Engels did it ("Anti Duhring") as did Leon Trotsky.
No reputable scientist, or philosopher of science, takes these writings seriously.
Analysis by Marxists at a "societal" level can sometimes be OK - but none of them could cut the mustard at the philosophical level - apart from maybe Marx (who had a Ph.D in philosophy - though that was Greek philosophy).
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Woods, in the present talk, revealed the depth of his scientific knowledge - "the world is forever". Complete bollocks!!! Just to caution the audience Alan Woods has written an awful book on Science and Marxism, read couple of random passages if you want to have some laughs. Also, Dialectical Materialism was not the core philosophy of Marx and Engels, who used materialism and dialectic in a disjointed sense.
You're ignorant of Marxist philosophy or an enemy. Woods explains Marx & Engels developed Dialectical Materialism which became the core method of great Marxist thinkers influenced by them!
Woods does not say the world is forever! Another lie. He says that atomic matter cannot be destroyed. A basic fact.
I take it the book you refer to as awful about Marxism & Science is Reason In Revolt. A powerful indictment on the guff presented by bourgeois scientists.
I visited your page now I understand your antipathy to Woods. You support the Socialist Workers Party - a fierce critic of Woods' International Marxist Tendency & Socialist Appeal.
It explains your idiotic comments.
To claim Marx & Engels did not use dialectical materialism as a philosophy is a bit like saying as a child, Newton did not understand gravity.
It was the great Marxist thinkers who followed that used their philosophy on materialism & developed it. & I don't mean David Harvey
Hear Woods' talk at 4.23 again. Did you bother to listen, understand and cross-check what he is saying? It's not unhealthy to exercise the brain sometimes independent of dogma, you know.
Besides thanks, Dr Freud, for revealing to me my support for the SWP, I wasn't aware of it, must be repressing it underneath my bourgeois unconscious.
More like the theories of Marx and Engels were comparable to Newton's alchemical theories rather than those regarding mathematics or physics.
It amazes me that these two men, after being so utterly discredited as economists, still have their fanatic adherents. It is probably no accident that the subcultures of Marxist economics and druidic metaphysics so often coincide.
The most awful rambling nonsense. Any student of history - let alone philosophy or theology - would slap him down within a minute. My God, Karl Marx must be turning in his grave.
argh it cuts off
MetaCraken 4 months ago
FAST BOAT
foogy4 7 months ago
Marxism is a religion.
DrCruel 2 years ago
@DrCruel
According to...who?
TurdSnatcher777 1 year ago
Kim Jong-Il and his "Juche" faith?
DrCruel 1 year ago
@DrCruel
Juche is Marxism?
That's news to me.
TurdSnatcher777 1 year ago
It wouldn't be if you were unfortunate enough to live in North Korea, as the property of the socialist monarch of that land. In such countries, the utterly wretched nastiness of rule by a Marxist elite, and the insane absurdities that Marxist ideology demands of workers so reduced to the status of serfs, is not a matter for polite academic debate - it is a ever present reality of life.
DrCruel 1 year ago
@DrCruel Socialist in name only, a marxist is aganist monarchy.
cary123 1 year ago
@cary123 One might as well claim that "real" Nazis are against racism, and that "true" Nazism has never been tried.
"Ye shall know them by their works ..."
DrCruel 1 year ago
@DrCruel Hitler invented nazism and promoted racial nationalism, that is a fact.
Marx invented communism and promoted WORKERS CONTROL not PARTY CONTROL of the means of production and the state, To evenually wither away to a stateless classless society.
cary123 1 year ago
@cary123 Marxism is not about promoting "worker control". That might be what Marxists say, but that's not what they do. It's akin to Hilter claiming he is in favor of peace (which he did say, frequently).
As for Karl Marx himself, he was an anti-Semitic lunatic who apparently failed to understand even the most basic rules of economics. He was discredited by serious academians long before the Bolsheviks came to power.
DrCruel 1 year ago
@DrCruel That is what marxism is, the values of workers control and the study of class struggle as a science, if they say there marxists, and they don't act like marxists, they are not marxist. Sorry.
Yes, but Marx never did any action contradictory to his beliefs.
He was anti-judaism, not anti-jew, dont take shit he said out of context.
cary123 1 year ago
@cary123 And if they say they're Marxists, and the Marxists say they're Marxists, and they act in a certain way, then that behavior defines what they are - and not the "pie-in-the-sky" bullshit they use to dupe their victims with.
I know what sort of language Marx used to attack his enemies with. And I also know that the Nazis, in part, used his comments regarding Jews to craft their own anti-Semitic ideological stance. If you'd like, I'll cite the stuff.
I know what I'm talking about.
DrCruel 1 year ago
@DrCruel You know states like North Korea, China, Vietnam, etc. call themselfs Democracy's. They say there a Democracy, and other so called "Democracy's" consider them one, so I guess Democracy means a monarchic/oligarchic/militaristic one party republic. Not what they say Democracy is.
Marx used the word "Jew" as a casual curse like shit or fuck, he was biologically a Jew himself.
cary123 1 year ago
@cary123 Apparently he used the word "nigger" in a similar context. Of course, to my limited understanding of the Great Bearded One, it sounds very much like the sort of thing one would hear from other racists - but The Beloved Leader can do no wrong, even if the evidence is in black and white, so there must be some other explanation.
And yes. If democrats start saying that North Korea, China, Vietnam etc are "democracies", then the word democracy will come to mean a despotic one-party state.
DrCruel 1 year ago
@DrCruel Very true, but again he used racial slurs as casual curse words.
Many democrats do.
cary123 1 year ago
@cary123 Maybe Robert Byrd, in the old days. Otherwise, not really.
DrCruel 1 year ago
@DrCruel What about the so called "Democratic" government of China and there so called "Communist" Party? All officials there claim to be "Democratic" and that China is a "Democratic" state. I guess that means a despotic one party state.
Ideas aren't named by the actions self-proclaimed leaders, they are rather defined by there original creators(Karl Marx and Fredrick Engels), and the opinions of its followers, not a elite of a party claiming to Marxist.
cary123 1 year ago
@cary123 Words mean what they are used for. If they deliberately diverge from the meanings their originators claim, then hypocrisy is also included as part of their meaning.
Indeed - in the context of Marxism, the words "Democratic" and "People's" do imply oppression and despotic rule. So you aren't too far off-base. George Orwell called this phenomena "Newspeak".
DrCruel 1 year ago
@DrCruel Marx never had a the opportunity to lead a nation to be hypocritical.
Nope, in the context of Chinese fake socialism it is. So why is Marxism defined by actions of false Marxists but not democracy?
The vast majority of Marxists do not hold that China or North Korea are Marxist, therefor they are not.
cary123 1 year ago
@cary123 but it is proof that marxism is an easilly corruptable system, and when it is corrupted, it can be extrremely deadly to populations.
SupremeAmerican 1 month ago
@TurdSnatcher777 But not to the North Koreans, nor the Marxist ISO, who actually lauded the North Korean regime as late as 2003.
DrCruel 1 year ago
Religion is not a matter to be discussed as it has helped in disparity rather than unity.Aren't we killing our brethren in the name of religion?
gitasri7 2 years ago
Woods is not alone in this - there is something of a tradition of Marxists writing rubbishy "scientific" works - Engels did it ("Anti Duhring") as did Leon Trotsky.
No reputable scientist, or philosopher of science, takes these writings seriously.
Analysis by Marxists at a "societal" level can sometimes be OK - but none of them could cut the mustard at the philosophical level - apart from maybe Marx (who had a Ph.D in philosophy - though that was Greek philosophy).
TerrySleeper 2 years ago
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Woods, in the present talk, revealed the depth of his scientific knowledge - "the world is forever". Complete bollocks!!! Just to caution the audience Alan Woods has written an awful book on Science and Marxism, read couple of random passages if you want to have some laughs. Also, Dialectical Materialism was not the core philosophy of Marx and Engels, who used materialism and dialectic in a disjointed sense.
PaashRevolutionary 3 years ago
You're ignorant of Marxist philosophy or an enemy. Woods explains Marx & Engels developed Dialectical Materialism which became the core method of great Marxist thinkers influenced by them!
Woods does not say the world is forever! Another lie. He says that atomic matter cannot be destroyed. A basic fact.
I take it the book you refer to as awful about Marxism & Science is Reason In Revolt. A powerful indictment on the guff presented by bourgeois scientists.
It's ur comment that's bollocks
No1barney1 2 years ago
I visited your page now I understand your antipathy to Woods. You support the Socialist Workers Party - a fierce critic of Woods' International Marxist Tendency & Socialist Appeal.
It explains your idiotic comments.
To claim Marx & Engels did not use dialectical materialism as a philosophy is a bit like saying as a child, Newton did not understand gravity.
It was the great Marxist thinkers who followed that used their philosophy on materialism & developed it. & I don't mean David Harvey
No1barney1 2 years ago
Hear Woods' talk at 4.23 again. Did you bother to listen, understand and cross-check what he is saying? It's not unhealthy to exercise the brain sometimes independent of dogma, you know.
Besides thanks, Dr Freud, for revealing to me my support for the SWP, I wasn't aware of it, must be repressing it underneath my bourgeois unconscious.
cheers.
PaashRevolutionary 2 years ago
More like the theories of Marx and Engels were comparable to Newton's alchemical theories rather than those regarding mathematics or physics.
It amazes me that these two men, after being so utterly discredited as economists, still have their fanatic adherents. It is probably no accident that the subcultures of Marxist economics and druidic metaphysics so often coincide.
DrCruel 1 year ago
The most awful rambling nonsense. Any student of history - let alone philosophy or theology - would slap him down within a minute. My God, Karl Marx must be turning in his grave.
TerrySleeper 3 years ago
Your opinion is not very valuable if you don't put forth a reasonable argument
boysdontcry17 2 years ago
Thanks.
MarxBakuninMe 3 years ago