Well by that logic why don't you pay the police for coming to your service or the fire brigades or whatever service you get for free too? Why is it that the health service for Americans is different? Oh! I guess it's because we're too lazy. Yeah, gopc32, that's your logic right there. "You're pathetic if your poor or unable to pay the massive medical bills" is basically what you're getting at, you're just the same as the rest of these sick corporate insurance company assholes.
Government sponsored health care wont fix the problem.
The problem lies inherently in the INDUSTRY of medicine. It's too expensive. Someone somewhere in the links of the chain is exploiting capitalism to its full. It's far too much for Government to pay for, much less individuals.
Real scrutiny needs to be paid to the fundamentals and intricacies of the industry as a whole.
sorry about your pops, but hopefully things wont be so foggy and abnormal in the next life but back here with free will and evil we have a big journey into darkness ahead. Yeah world wide welfare and medical is an absolute necessity if we ever wanna be civilized.
Treatment is way more expensive in the U.S. because of rampant lawsuits etc. Malpractice insurance makes it more expensive and all the advertising and bribing they spend money on winds up being paid for by those who pay for health care coverage for employees and people without health care.
as a lowly construction worker, making just $20/hr, i had employer paid health care. i ended up needing several major surgeries to save my life. the bills were over a half a million dollars. guess what my co-pay was? $800 bucks. want health care? get a decent job. don't ask people with jobs to pay for yours.
The US health care was fine, I got into an ER quicker then I ever did in Australia with full government health care...I'd rather pay for good health care, then trust the government to do it for me decreasing my wages by raising taxes. FUCK OFF OBAMA!
so what you want the US to do what ?if you dont know it stand where you are 300 million ppl cant have HC and its not a right lol your acting like a five year old child weak up and come to the rl world
NO its not a right look it up heatlh care is not a right jeez first off it is killing the countries that have it . Its not a system that can last for very long look at western euro going broke trying this type of system
@jaay334 I live in Sweden and we have excellent Health care system. the swedish economy are rather stable and the health care system have been stable since 1980s. I have a type of a blood disease that causes my blood not to coagulate and I get almost free medication, cause the the state pays 90% of my medication.
It's probably because you've never experienced other, better systems. I was on vacation over in Europe during a summer. I had broken my knee while hiking. I had to wait 5 hours in a hospital only to be transferred to another hospital which made me wait another 3 hours. Over in the US, I wouldn't have to wait AT ALL. With this bill passing in America, we're going to end up just like you guys.
How about Medicare for ALL? Then we could buy Medicare Advantage to cover the rest. I have those now, but my wife doesn't. Why? She spent part of her life in Canada so she fell 2 credits short to qualify for SS and Medicare. But in Canada she is covered! And she gets to see REAL MDs!!!
I encourage you to get healthcare even though you don't think you will ever need it. Its a gamble either way. But jut 4 months after I got healthcare I was in a car accident and was in a coma for a month. If I had no health insurance I would be in debt that I could never get out of. I sincerely hope that doesn't happen to you, but if it does, it is worth it to have insurance.
I had insurance a while back that approved me for a surgery on my leg. Post-surgery, I discovered that they refused to pay for whatever reason (they apparently did this to a lot of people and got sued, so I got some money for it). That being said, yes, the health insurance system needs to swift kid to the balls so they can relearn how to treat their customers. Also, health insurance needs more competition. Socialism is not the answer. In fact, gov't should stay the hell out of everything.
1. Where do you think Jordan got the drugs? Somebody had to invent them so they could manufacture them.
2. You mentioned the costs of healthcare multiple times. Creating another health insurance company won't bring down those bills your mom received. Insurance companies simply pass the cost increases from the providers to the consumers.
NOOOO, health care is NOT A RIGHT! Rights cost no money.
It's a need, and like most other needs, costs money. To compel others to pay for your needs is easy to identify. It's called tyranny.
The USA was founded on personal liberty, not tyranny. Slavery was abolished here long ago, yet that's exactly what liberals want with health care. They want to force some to pay for the needs of others who either do not work or responsibly budget to pay for their own needs.
There are many existing enforceable payments for different needs. People are, for example, required to pay taxes. Taxes are a way to pay for the many needs of other people, for these taxes are expended on building infrastructure as well as funding government projects and subsidies. These are needs, but people are "compelled" to pay for them even if they do not want to; i.e., you are required to pay for your and other people's needs. If there is one single most important need, it would be health.
mushindo you're correct that there are many existing taxes, forcibly taken. Some are just and some are not.
Only apportioned taxes, taken in the amount necessary to pay for the government's just responsibilities are morally right. Any excess, and any redistribution of wealth, is tyranny.
The 16th amendment fundamentally changed the morality of the original constitution. The 16th was conned on the people through the class envy promise of "only affecting the very rich".
You're also correct that taxes ARE currently taken from some and used to pay for needs of others. I'm not arguing against that reality. I'm arguing that this reality is unjust, and I'm challenging anyone to explain how forcibly taking money away from some who have earned it, and giving to those who haven't, can be anything other than servitude.
You seem to be saying that servitude is ok because it's currently done. Perhaps I misread your post. Will look fwd to your clarification.
My argument is that if we would make some of our needs as rights, I think healthcare should be one those needs on the top of the list, alongside shelter and food. But the fact is that some taxes are paid for needs that are of a less importance. So, the tax system should be restructured, and tax benefits should be reallocated among the different social needs to yield more benefits for such a vital need, such as healthcare -- which looks just ugly.
That's just it mushindo, we can't change rights into needs or vice versa. We don't arbitrarily get to say this or that is a right. We don't get to vote on that.
Rights simply are... The founding of the USA defines certain rights as unalienable, bestowed on us by our Creator. Therefore they can't be changed, can't be taken away, can't justly be given up of our own accord. They're unalienable.
The purpose of govt is to secure rights.
I agree with you the tax system needs a major overhaul.
bodryn, what basis do you claim to know me well enough to say I'm not a good samaritan?
How selfish must we be you ask?
One of most selfish philosophies you can ever hope to adopt is liberalism. It tries unsuccessfully to redefine freedom and rights into tyranny. But it can't stand up to scrutiny of course.
Govt providing needs is tyranny. Govt protecting rights is a just function of govt.
Rights are free, needs cost $.
Providing needs means some are forced to pay, which is servitude.
badryn, are you saying it's more Christ like to force some to work for the needs of others?
That is literally what you're saying, and what you advocate in adopting liberalism. It's so poisonous you may indeed not even know you've been brainwashed. If that's the case, so sorry for you.
The only other alternatives are that you know what liberalism stands for and keep with it anyway, in which case you're willingly evil.
Or you're ignorant of the facts and refuse to follow reason.
If you don't take care of your children, the law will deal with you. Some of us humans are too old to work. Somebody has to take care of them, or else it is truly a sick society. It's a matter of degree and conscience. Also: "Judge not, that ye be not judged."
bodryn, not trying to harp on you, but just read your last comment from a week ago about someone having to take care of the elderly.
Well we currently owe more for future SS commitments than there is wealth in the entire country. Are you aware of that?
I agree someone needs to care for the elderly. Financially, that someone should be the elderly themselves.... having wisely saved when they were younger and able.
But dependent-mentality has poisoned our whole culture to now expect servitude.
bodryn, btw, the words from the Bible that you quoted, "By their fruits shall ye know them" were what Jesus warned his followers to be wary of, in order to know a false prophet.
I am not a prophet and never claimed to be. You apparently like to try to use Biblical language just to present the appearance of upholding your argument when in fact the words don't apply here at all.
And if you're accusing me of lying, then point out how. Nothing you've said stands to scrutiny.
people think that univ. healthcare is free, but they obviously have no idea what they are saying. Universal health care is just the money that is now being payed by people individually for healthcare, pooled together, and spit back out with shit health workers and NO competition (no competition leads to no risk taking towards new inventions)! Let me ask you this, what is wrong with paying for what you get? is it that your too lazy and pathetic to take real initiative to work for what you get?
@gopc32 Universal healthcare is not free, very true , but in America it is over priced by about 200%, I walk into a hospital were I am, I saw a sergeon, had exrays, saw the sergeon again, who suggested I take medicine for 8 weeks before considering surgery, the problem went away and I spent 12usd on the whole thing, in America it would have cost me 3000.00usd, I know this is true because I went in there for something close to the same thing. So you are wrong cretin, I got what I paid for ,,I,
Doctors in America have 10 houses and 5 cars, but middle class people don't have the money for health care
In Europe we like everyone to have health care and doctors don't have to be filthy rich, only rich, that's enough for them. 2 cars and 2 houses are enough, the times of kings ended.
@AntiSocialChannel85 You're WAY over generalizing. And... in a free society, you can study hard, make good choices, and become a doctor. That's the only way it should be.
@gopc32 It's paid for through taxes. People would no longer have to pay monthly premiums to a rich insurance company. We all pay for it through our taxes based on your income. It's the ONLY FAIR WAY...
@gopc32 Fair, free, universal health-care for EVERYONE is the only RIGHT way. Insurance companies making billions every year on peoples misfortune and misery, it's WRONG!
Free healthcare for all is a human right, not a privilege. America/s the only civilized country that does not provide this for its citizens. Shameful.
Medicare and Medicaid work, ask any doctor who he'd rather send a bill, he'll always say the govt. My doc friend pays a person to argue with blue cross etc over a $35 bill.
@gopc32 The countries that offer Universal healthcare pay for it through their taxes. Now you might thin k this is a Gov takeover, but even the British still pay less than Americans. Britain is ranked 18th on healthcare, America is ranked at an embarassing 37th rank. Its fact.
With America healthcare, you oay $7,000 per year via health insurance plus co-pays and deductibles. And not everything is covered. So statistically we American s pay more for healtyhcare than the british.
@pluto4847 You need to understand what is being ranked and how. The ranking you are referring to is weighted such that the more socialized medicine the country delivery, the higher ranked it is (lower number).
Know why medical care is so cheap in Jordan? Malpractice suits are NOT ALLOWED there. But notice 0bama and the Democrats WON'T EVEN ENTERTAIN THE IDEA of getting trial lawyers out of medicine. So this chick is obviously a hired mouthpiece of socialized medicine, but she unwitting is telling us what the problem by talking about Jordan. It's the fucking trial lawyers. Cut them out, and watch costs as well as defensive unnecessary CYA procedures drop overnight.
Why the hell shouldn't this chick have to pay for her own health care? Why the fuck does she expect somebody else to pay for it? And why didn't her mother have the foresight to buy health insurance for herself?
please don't make videos, your personal experiences don't mean anything in the grand scheme of things. I know that sounds harsh, but frankly that's the truth a few horror stories do not make up for the fact that the vast majority of people. Not only get their health care but are happy with their healthcare.
If you want to do, so, it will really make a difference advocate for the disposal of the HMOs act
Ok. I am an ER doctor, and I am in favor of health care reform. That having been said it is really a myth to say that Americans do not get treated. We NEVER turn ANYONE away from the ER regardless of their ability to pay.
That is part of the inefficiency and why I favor reform. I want everyone to be able to afford to go to a family doc, so we don't end up seeing so many non-emergencies in the ER.
Maybe in your hospital it's a myth, but I PERSONALLY have been turn aside when I needed a life saving surgery because I had no health insurance nor did I have around half the cost of the surgery on hand at the time (as they wanted 50%+ before I could even get into the "door").
I don't think anyone is saying that American's dont get treated - as you put it - because of ER turning them away. The point is that many Americans chose not to go into ER - because (as Esther said) of the huge bills. I have health insurance! And I STILL got stuck with enormous bills after my miscarriage. If I have another miscarriage, I am NOT going into ER because it cost too darn much even with insurance. - The current system is WRONG WRONG WRONG on so many levels.
Trust me, I am in favor of health reform. Unfortunately I believe the administration has failed this time around. Maybe not.
I am not sure that I support the monstrosity of a bill they are proposing right now though. I am a fan of transparency, and any 1500 page plan is fundamentally flawed because the truth is no-one will read it.
A simple plan that would vastly improve the situation, that would also be very transparent would be as folllows:
Simple give every American the right for up to $2000 a year to be spent on evidence based medicine (no alternative therapies, no electives). Allow them to roll over 1/2 whatever they do not spend to the following year to accumulate in a personal account.
Establish national standards of care with liability protection for docs who follow the standard of care.
At the same time, require every company that offers health insurance to offer a catastrophic health care policy with $2000 deductible with standard features (create a level playing field & allow them to compete for the business).
The advantage of my proposal is reduced liability for doctors = reduced malpractice insurance = less defensive medicine = more intelligent application of resources.
Also. Transparent. Easy to see what we will be spending & can budget for it.
Also, because the money is in an individual's account, they will be shopping for the doctor to do their annual physical. So market forces will be in play. They will be paying cash, and know 1/2 what they do not spend rolls over, so there is incentive to spend that money intelligently on THEIR end (rather than an insurance company second guessing your choices).
Is it perfect? No. Vast exceptions which it does not address. Would it be an improvement? Hell yes.
Tremendous incentive to go for preventative health care (must get a physical at a minimum to qualify for the money), and up to 2 grand a year help. AND the average person can understand it, and the bill would be a page long
Concentrate on passing that, then work on the exceptions & flaws. But keep it simple. One of the problems with our current situation is the mind-numbing complexity
Oh. And of course index the whole thing to inflation. And we can cheat on the standards of care, and simply steal the ones Britain, Canada, France or Germany use.
Then put in a national health information database & use it to prevent doctorshopping for pain meds & to identify fraud and abuse. Not to mention the scientific potential of identifying epidemiological patterns.
Would kick ass. But would never pass because of the privacy nuts.
And I am sorry about your experience with the miscarriage & ER. We do our best. You do realize that a lot of the reason YOUR bill was so high is that you are paying for every other person that shows up and does not pay... and also for the idiotic defensive medicine we are forced to practice.
There is no reason whatsoever why I should be seeing people with colds in the ER. But people who can't afford a family doc come to the ER, because we will treat them regardless of ability to pay.
Eliza: And so is the government. Take a look at other government run systems here for a clue.
Government has never made things easier. Don't get me wrong I want reform...but I want it done Smart. Giving it to DC to louse up is anything but smart.
No, I agree with you. The two sides people argue from - both sides are right! The current system sucks but the new govt ran plan that may happen - also sucks. I don't know which one is any better or worse.
@wormer105 Fair, free, universal health-care for EVERYONE is the only RIGHT way. Insurance companies making billions every year on peoples misfortune and misery, it's WRONG!
Free healthcare for all is a human right, not a privilege. America/s the only civilized country that does not provide this for its citizens. Shameful.
Medicare and Medicaid work, ask any doctor who he'd rather send a bill, he'll always say the govt. My doc friend pays a person to argue with blue cross etc over a $35 bill.
One answer is to change the 4 year Pres'y--other countries have a different system: if the leader is unpopular the party in power kicks him out itself and gets a new one, hoping to stay in power next election. Elections have to be every 4 or so years, but the leader can call for one whenever he wants within those boundaries. This could reduce corporate power, making it harder for them to line up their political bribe targets.
It is kind of amazing some "people" think health costs are like buying a car or any other commercial proposition (eg: all the insurance co-sponsored posts on Youtube by varying "people"). You can plan to buy a car or a house: it's your own responsibility and your money allocation--but you can't plan a medical affliction. Not the same. I simply note one anti-health plan person on Ytube had her two fave videos as a) a revolver shooting into a tank, and b) a clip of Milton F'man on "Greed". True!!
$600/annum is just the health premium which was added as a new tax by the liberals to help dig us out of a deficit situation after they ran on not increasing taxes. We pay substantially more via income taxes. Health care costs account for approx 40% of Ontario revenues in F'08. So, very very expensive. i.e. Ontario would not even require the income tax if not for universal healthcare. The US has avery difficult decision on its hands.
Don't fool yourself. Every government puts a price on life. We just don't like to talk about it. Try to get a liver transplant at 70+... You MIGHT be able to get one, but it would be a miracle. The transplants are saved for people who have a long enough economic life to make it worth saving them.
And it is more strict in countries like Canada, UK & France.
That's exactly right. A country acts just like a business. It protects its most valuable assets (working middle aged cohort) and feeds money into its investments (the youth). But, once you hit retirement age, the country doesn't need you anymore. They just want your money through taxes (which is return on investment really).
I am an accomplished trial attorney. I AM UNABLE TO GET MY OWN HEALTH INSURANCE. Period. End of Story. I am not disabled. I had to spend a fortune on medical bills. I had to close my lucrative law practice. I want to reopen my practice in Coeur d Alene, Idaho or Spokane, Washington. I AM WILLING TO MARRY A GREAT LADY IN ORDER TO GET HEALTH INSURANCE. Richard
the largest industries in the US have power that has surpassed that of the US government and every governing body on the earth. they own the government. if the people have a chance to take something back, why do you side with the power structure?
no theres something really wrong with the lack of ambition and drive to get out and become prosperous so you can take care of yourself. if the founding fathers said small govt is good govt, i think im on their side. i mean afterall, they created a country that became the most oppertunistic and prosperous in the world....all because of one document. why we are drifting from this document i dont know....please stop acting on emotion and start acting on logic
If this health care system of yours is bad. Why do you have it. I have never heard one single good comment about US health care system. I mean can't you just pay tax and have a good government controled national system.
You don't have to be a socialist to understand why that's a good idea.
How is my point of view harming people? If anything, it's helping people, as your chances of surviving illness under socialized medicine are not as great as under our health care system. You called me selfish and insinuated that I am neither warm, nor wonderful (ouch). However, you have failed to reply to my statements. Instead, you use ad hominem arguments in order to prove your point that I am a mean person.
Once again, you're using an ad hominem argument to prove your point. My age has relatively nothing to do with the issue at hand. Your feigned superiority and hubris, however, point out the fact that you can't use evidence to substantiate what you believe. And you know, people are supposed to be naive and idealistic when they are young (16) not 37. Ciao.
Believe me, is amazing compared to the health care of other countries, especially ones with socialized medicine. Come on now, you must realize that free coverage for everyone isn't exactly free, right? 5 hour plus waits for routine procedures, rationing of life-saving medicines, and overall worse quality of care is what puts Canada and the UK apart from the US. In fact, your chance of surviving cancer is much higher in the US than anywhere with universal healthcare.
So says the health-insured American who has never lived in Canada. I've spent my entire life wrapped up in the warm fuzzy blanket that you call "socialized medicine." I have never waited hours to be seen. And I don't know anyone who has ever been denied treatment for anything, ever.
Do you really believe a bum on skid row in L.A. gets the same treatment as you?
He would in Canada!
I think you have been swallowing too much propaganda, generated by your "for-profit" health care industry.
So says who, exactly? Thanks for conjecturing about who I am, but I'd rather you back up your arguments with facts. Thanks.
"Studies by the Commonwealth Fund found that 57% of Canadians reported waiting 4 weeks or more to see a specialist; 24% of Canadians waited 4 hours or more in the emergency room"
So much for your assertion that there is no wait time. You also failed to answer my post about survival rates of cancer. If Canada has better care, why do we survive at higher rates?
Or ask the uninsured kids of a single mom in Duluth.
Canada's system isn't perfect; there is no such animal.
I personally have waited four weeks to see an arthritis specialist. But I consider this one of the small drawbacks to a system where no one gets treatment any slower or faster than me, whether they are a CEO or an unemployed broom pusher.
No one is ever denied treatment due to inability to pay, and no one ever goes bankrupt over a hospital bill.
People didn't necessarily know what he was promoting. You would be surprised what most Americans don't know, given the MSM here. In fact, only 40% of Americans currently support the way he is handling the health care issue. As for Canada, people ARE speaking out against it, even here on YouTube. There are numbers to back it up: the CMA has been reporting declines in satisfaction with care.
And what you just said is exactly why Canadians who can afford better treatment come to the US. You claim to be looking after people in America who can't pay for care, but the reason that our system works better than yours is that we don't have to ration care due to costs. That's why Americans survive terminal illnesses at a higher rate.
People who can afford to get what they want, when they want it will go where their money will let them avoid waiting in a line. I would too.
The wealthy here also spend their money to send their children to private schools. But it would be insane to suggest that this is a reason to abandon free public education.
In all likelihood, the 60% of Americans who are uninterested in health care reform are those who have adequate insurance.
Put yourself in the shoes of the poor; then think about it.
The problem is that not everyone is rich enough (or close enough to the border) to travel to another country for basic procedures. No one should have to fly to another country for basic health care. Secondly, if America gets socialized medicine, there will be no where to go in North America for quality care. Put yourself in the shoes of hard-working, honest Americans that know that there is no such thing as a free lunch, then think about it.
Also, why should other people have to pay for the health care of someone who doesn't have a job or insurance, and then have to settle for under average care themselves. Believe me, I'm all for people getting treatment, but not at the expense of everyone's health. You are not looking at the big picture: statistically, socialized medicine is not in the best interest of most people in America. Our current system may not be perfect, but it does not need to be made worse.
Everyone is free to succeed, but everyone is also free to fail. And if you fail, you're on your own buddy!
So there it is... how selfish.
You might not agree, but I believe that, as a group, Americans are better than that.
I absolutely love being Canadian and I wouldn't trade that for my life. But I also love America and Americans. I have driven a bike through 49 states and met thousands of warm, wonderful people. I am happy to say that I have not met many like you.
The USA has the ... "BEST SPECIALISTS" ... but our Health Care System stinks and is ranked as the Low 37th on a World Scale !! It's like saying "THE USA WON THE MOST GOLD MEDALS IN THE OLYMPICS ... SO THE ENTIRE AMERICAN POPULATION IS MADE OF TOP ATHLETES !! When in reality we have an overweight & sick ...(cancer~heart diseases~diabetic)... population, compared to other nations. Don't buy into the Right-Wing propaganda. Visit my profile for ways in which you can contact your representatives.
Change will only come about once enough brainwashed Republicans have gotten tired of their parents going bankrupt as a result of coverage denial in the quest for Insurance industry to do what they're supposed to do, profit by raising revenues while minimizing coverage.
Who are the Republicans being brainwashed by...the media?!?! hahaha or is it the only station that leans to the right? I AM FOR HEALTHCARE REFORM. But instead of salvaging the system from what is left they will completely destroy the quality of our healthcare. This isn't about being a republican or a democrat...it's about using a bit of common sense and reforming healthcare responsibly. Not just throwing MY money at the problem only to have the same problem of higher costs.
Faintstarlite, unfortunately you can forget that Universal Healthcare is coming to the US anytime soon as long as too many people like Cinnamonfantasy are still around to repeat the BS served to them by their corporate owned (and pharmaceutically subsidized) media. I've been living in the US for the past 7 years but going back to Canada in a few months for the peace of mind its healthcare system provides.
cinnamonfantasy, that's right, continue to repeat what you've heard just like a mindless parrot. I'm sure those in power are glad to know that people like you defend a system that works against their self-interest. They are glad to know you are happy to pay taxes and get nothing in return while they funnel your money to their rich friends. They know that merely throwing around the words "socialism" and "anti-american" is enough to get you to accept anything they want...and they are right.
cinnamonfantasy, if Universal Healthcare is Socialism, then wouldn't you then have to say that the Police dept., the Fire Dept., and teachers are also examples of Socialism since those services are paid for and dispensed in the same way as UH would be?
cinnamonfantasy, I see your point. So if someone was robbing your house the police would come over only if you had police insurance. If your house was on fire they would let your house burn down unless you had fire dept insurance and the poor would never be able to lift themselves out of poverty since not being able to pay for education would keep them out of schools. I see that, as usual, you haven't thought this out very well.....
cinnamonfantasy, if insurance costs less than taxes, then how is it that the cost of healthcare per capita in the US is the highest in the world? The truth is that EVERY other country in the world spends less on healthcare, even those that cover everyone. You have the internet, would it hurt you to go check out some facts every once in a while instead of continually making unsubstantiate claims that are based more on myth and misperception than on reality?
Unfortunately you don't listen to the facts about healthcare in the U.S. Here you have it....47 million Americans do not have healthcare. Of those 47 million people in the U.S. 13 million of them are eligible for medicare, but for whatever reason choose not to have it. Of the next 34 million...6 million are illegal in the country and do not pay taxes. Of the 28 million remaining people 20 million of them do not need healthcare because they make enough money. So the final tally is around 8 mil.
cruisers5313, now how about those approximately 253 million who have health insurance but who can be denied care due to real or fictitious preconditions or those who do get care but still end up having to pay a 20% copay for medical bills that can easy exceed hundreds of thousands of dollars? What about them? They are in the majority who have insurance yet are still screwed and really no better off than those who don't have it..
I am not saying the healthcare system is perfect. Yes it does need some major changes, but the gov is focusing on changes that will destroy the quality of the healthcare (US #1 in quality) as well as the competition. Do you really think the gov has demonstrated the ability to manage another trillion dollar program?
The competition argument makes no sense and that is borne out by the fact that meds are more expensive here than in Canada even though the opposite should be the case through economies of scale (US has 10x the population). Medical insurance companies and big pharma are in collusion together not to lower prices whereas in Canada, where the government negotiates, they get better prices by negotiating for all 30 million people and not just as many separate little groups.
cruisers5313, and as far as the government not being able to handle big budgets, why is that argument only used for healthcare and not for, let's say, defense spending? Also, every other industrialized country in the world has some form of Universal Healthcare and can manage it so why not in the US? Maybe you should expect more from your politicians instead of letting them off the hook by saying, as many of them do, "You know you can't trust the government to do anything right".
I agree with you...we need major cutbacks on everything. If we could cut back wasteful spending on other programs I would be all for spending more money in the healthcare arena as long as they fix the problem, rather than just throwing money at it.
The unfairness of the USA health care system doesn't know your political views. You get screwed by insurance companies and hospitals regardless. In fact, it is well known that democrats are 20% richer than Republicans (most democrats live in the States with higher average wages) on the average; so, the unfairness of the healthcare system probably screws conservatives harder.
And don´t forget the inflation tax, specially since late 70s, that has destroyed so much wealth and savings. You should aks for the end of reckless monetary policies instead of nationalizing services.
By trying to control prices and make it more affordable Johnson and Nixon destroyed a mostly private and local healthcare that worked 1.000.000 times better than the today corporate mess. Obama will achieve the same: more people uncovered and much more expensive services. In 1960 out-of-pocket was a 60% of overall. Now is 15%. In 1960 overall healthcare spending as a share of GDP was 5% and 1 out of 5 dollars spent came from government. Now is 18% of GDP; 50% of spending comes from government.
Thats Crazy. In Australia if you have a life threatening or serious health problem they treat you for free no questions asked. Happened when my grandfather had a heart attack. It seems so silly that in this day and age that the American Government can't afford to provide free health to its citizins
Hei, you can drive my stick shift anytime! Everythings wrong with you, I mean cmon look at you. Your face is falling apart. What happened to you Dude. Where is ur facial hair. Where is that beard! i am dissapointed. Think large? what 12 inches! Hei, but seriously system = caca u want justice, Pick up a gun and pointed to the heads doctor. Havent u seen that film with that black dude that went to the hospital with his kid and blah blah he was dying and blah! Ur awesom, Im awesom, Lifes Awesom!
I've heard alot about some of univeral health care programs and other stuff some countries have. Also do you remember that a lady who WORKED for that countries government as a ranking leader, her job was the countries health care program, she couldnt get the surgery in her own country, the so called universal health care. She traveled to the united states to get the surgery. So thats why i dont buy all the free stuff among other things. Micheal Moore said its all free so why did she come here?
20% of your income is not free, and having no choice is not free either. you might have to think about it less or not come out of pocket on a doctor's visit, but that doesn't mean it's not free. Cheers.
Sorry for my English,but since long I have been reading a few lies about universal health care and would like to say something:
1) No one worker in Spain (where I live) pays the 20% of his income, and we have Free and Universal Health Care (regardless of your pre-existing conditions).
2)Anyone can freely choose what family doctor you want, or the hospital where you want to receive treatment.
3) People over 65 years don't pay anything for their drugs. And soon, childrens neither.
And one more thing: in Spain, as in the rest of the European Union, if you don't want to go to National Health Service, you can always hire any private insurance. The important thing is that if you can pay a private health you can do it, but if you can't do it, there is an alternative. That is true freedom, not your "freedom", subordinate to the money and the fear.
We can freely choose hospital and doctors in public healthcare in Spain? Please don´t make me laugh!!! And most people cannot afford any kind of private insurance. The level of savings in Spain is even worst than in America
The shame about America is that you have to pay for surgery. My dad's client (Hes a mortgage person) got a bad tackle in footy and had to pay 7,000 dollars for a bone in his leg to be sorted, and his insurance had to pay the rest! That's still loads though!
Its horrible that health care will cost you almost as much monthly as your recreational pot habit. Welcome to the world of adults. Now quit your whining
I'm trying to raise awareness about opportunities for uninsured or underinsured families and individuals to get discounted health benefits for the entire household email me at healthcareisaright AT gmail DOT comm
Access to health care is not going to fix health inequalities in the US. Countless studies have been conducted in the UK and Canada in which medical experts have concluded that there still is a social gradient in health even though all people there supposedly have equal access to health care.
If one really wants to get all bleeding hearted about contemporary inequalities then s/he must also go a step further beyond the health care debate and talk about social determinants of health.
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kitesalet 2 months ago
You think it's difficult now, young lady? You ain't seen nuttin'. What'll you get old.
sjtom57 4 months ago
Americas population is way too big to have the government take care of health care, over 300 million
lover3344 6 months ago
you were living in Jordan? then in England? damn, you got money to travel...
Abr022575 9 months ago
you're on your own, babe. Sorry, life can be a mofo.
Abr022575 9 months ago
wait. isnt this the suicide girl?
Abr022575 9 months ago
America has a bunch of NAZIs!
SSSSJE 9 months ago
Well by that logic why don't you pay the police for coming to your service or the fire brigades or whatever service you get for free too? Why is it that the health service for Americans is different? Oh! I guess it's because we're too lazy. Yeah, gopc32, that's your logic right there. "You're pathetic if your poor or unable to pay the massive medical bills" is basically what you're getting at, you're just the same as the rest of these sick corporate insurance company assholes.
IAMLelouchVBritannia 11 months ago
Government sponsored health care wont fix the problem.
The problem lies inherently in the INDUSTRY of medicine. It's too expensive. Someone somewhere in the links of the chain is exploiting capitalism to its full. It's far too much for Government to pay for, much less individuals.
Real scrutiny needs to be paid to the fundamentals and intricacies of the industry as a whole.
EternalLight569 11 months ago
sorry about your pops, but hopefully things wont be so foggy and abnormal in the next life but back here with free will and evil we have a big journey into darkness ahead. Yeah world wide welfare and medical is an absolute necessity if we ever wanna be civilized.
SuperChristopherZ 1 year ago
come to canada FREEE HEALTH CARE
kevstagino 1 year ago
well, at least she is cute.
l337pwnage 1 year ago
Treatment is way more expensive in the U.S. because of rampant lawsuits etc. Malpractice insurance makes it more expensive and all the advertising and bribing they spend money on winds up being paid for by those who pay for health care coverage for employees and people without health care.
briansmobile1 1 year ago
as a lowly construction worker, making just $20/hr, i had employer paid health care. i ended up needing several major surgeries to save my life. the bills were over a half a million dollars. guess what my co-pay was? $800 bucks. want health care? get a decent job. don't ask people with jobs to pay for yours.
cheezyridr 1 year ago
wth was she talking about in the beginning??
Mamakayi 1 year ago
wow, an extremely hot woman who likes manuals better... i must be dreaming
Maserati7200 1 year ago
It never fails that there are people who want the government to force people to pay for them.
patsfanczar 1 year ago
if yanks want to pay loads of money for healthcare just let them
Darusdei 1 year ago
The US health care was fine, I got into an ER quicker then I ever did in Australia with full government health care...I'd rather pay for good health care, then trust the government to do it for me decreasing my wages by raising taxes. FUCK OFF OBAMA!
wolfie83 1 year ago
go to england on holiday get the treatment free over here
geordieracer222 1 year ago
There is something wrong with you girl,,you think the govt gives a shit about you. Such a foolish youg girl.
vetttech1999 1 year ago
so what you want the US to do what ?if you dont know it stand where you are 300 million ppl cant have HC and its not a right lol your acting like a five year old child weak up and come to the rl world
jaay334 1 year ago
You are soooooo cute!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
bosteroman 1 year ago
Fly out to Jordan and get your health care cheaper.
Great. But is that fair to the tax payers of Jordan, who pay for that system while foreigners fly out there for care?
Bramendor 1 year ago
NO its not a right look it up heatlh care is not a right jeez first off it is killing the countries that have it . Its not a system that can last for very long look at western euro going broke trying this type of system
jaay334 1 year ago
@jaay334 I live in Sweden and we have excellent Health care system. the swedish economy are rather stable and the health care system have been stable since 1980s. I have a type of a blood disease that causes my blood not to coagulate and I get almost free medication, cause the the state pays 90% of my medication.
tomteabagit 1 year ago
@tomteabagit
It's probably because you've never experienced other, better systems. I was on vacation over in Europe during a summer. I had broken my knee while hiking. I had to wait 5 hours in a hospital only to be transferred to another hospital which made me wait another 3 hours. Over in the US, I wouldn't have to wait AT ALL. With this bill passing in America, we're going to end up just like you guys.
dos195 1 year ago
How about Medicare for ALL? Then we could buy Medicare Advantage to cover the rest. I have those now, but my wife doesn't. Why? She spent part of her life in Canada so she fell 2 credits short to qualify for SS and Medicare. But in Canada she is covered! And she gets to see REAL MDs!!!
bodryn 1 year ago
USA health-care is just crap! A shit load of taxes but you can't even see a doctor when you need. what's up with that?
msul78 1 year ago
we can see a doctor whenever we want u tard. wtf do you know.
NJRocks281 1 year ago
frustration because all males in usa are genitally deformed by circumsision dear beauti queen
letta6666 1 year ago
It's not free dumbass, your taxes will spike. USA has the lowest tax burden in the industrialized world.
NJRocks281 2 years ago
stop the private insurance assholes.
Please check out my videos: to hell with private health insurance
And by the way, these CEO's idiots are endorsing because people got smart and they now if they don't keep us tied, they will go out of business.
They are pretty much saying: PLEASE DON'T GO. IF YOU STAY WE WILL COVER YOU!!
worldfreenow100 2 years ago
@worldfreenow100
They only make 2% profit..... Not very much for the best QUALITY care in the world.
TheMango121 1 year ago
I encourage you to get healthcare even though you don't think you will ever need it. Its a gamble either way. But jut 4 months after I got healthcare I was in a car accident and was in a coma for a month. If I had no health insurance I would be in debt that I could never get out of. I sincerely hope that doesn't happen to you, but if it does, it is worth it to have insurance.
jackscs 2 years ago
I had insurance a while back that approved me for a surgery on my leg. Post-surgery, I discovered that they refused to pay for whatever reason (they apparently did this to a lot of people and got sued, so I got some money for it). That being said, yes, the health insurance system needs to swift kid to the balls so they can relearn how to treat their customers. Also, health insurance needs more competition. Socialism is not the answer. In fact, gov't should stay the hell out of everything.
thatsmalarkey 2 years ago
You guys already have all 4 models of health care system found around the world.
If you a military vet you already have socialized health care called VA Health Care similar to British NHS model.
If you are 65+ you have Medicare which is modeled on Canadian Single Payer System.
If you are on employer based health care it is based on German model.
If you are paying all on your 'Out of Pocket' it is based on the system found all around third world nations.
WorldTravelDude 2 years ago
Two Questions:
1. Where do you think Jordan got the drugs? Somebody had to invent them so they could manufacture them.
2. You mentioned the costs of healthcare multiple times. Creating another health insurance company won't bring down those bills your mom received. Insurance companies simply pass the cost increases from the providers to the consumers.
willis1999 2 years ago
NOOOO, health care is NOT A RIGHT! Rights cost no money.
It's a need, and like most other needs, costs money. To compel others to pay for your needs is easy to identify. It's called tyranny.
The USA was founded on personal liberty, not tyranny. Slavery was abolished here long ago, yet that's exactly what liberals want with health care. They want to force some to pay for the needs of others who either do not work or responsibly budget to pay for their own needs.
sailcats77 2 years ago
There are many existing enforceable payments for different needs. People are, for example, required to pay taxes. Taxes are a way to pay for the many needs of other people, for these taxes are expended on building infrastructure as well as funding government projects and subsidies. These are needs, but people are "compelled" to pay for them even if they do not want to; i.e., you are required to pay for your and other people's needs. If there is one single most important need, it would be health.
mushindo 2 years ago
mushindo you're correct that there are many existing taxes, forcibly taken. Some are just and some are not.
Only apportioned taxes, taken in the amount necessary to pay for the government's just responsibilities are morally right. Any excess, and any redistribution of wealth, is tyranny.
The 16th amendment fundamentally changed the morality of the original constitution. The 16th was conned on the people through the class envy promise of "only affecting the very rich".
sailcats77 2 years ago
You're also correct that taxes ARE currently taken from some and used to pay for needs of others. I'm not arguing against that reality. I'm arguing that this reality is unjust, and I'm challenging anyone to explain how forcibly taking money away from some who have earned it, and giving to those who haven't, can be anything other than servitude.
You seem to be saying that servitude is ok because it's currently done. Perhaps I misread your post. Will look fwd to your clarification.
sailcats77 2 years ago
You're correct that health care is a need and not a right. I actually disagree with you quite a bit about it being the most important need though.
In fact I'd say needs such as food, shelter, clothing, etc are much more important than health care.
So by your logic, I should be able to expect my fellow Americans to cough up extra taxes to pay for those things for me?
No, that's a losing argument on your part. It is not within the fed govt's realm of just powers to provide needs.
sailcats77 2 years ago
My argument is that if we would make some of our needs as rights, I think healthcare should be one those needs on the top of the list, alongside shelter and food. But the fact is that some taxes are paid for needs that are of a less importance. So, the tax system should be restructured, and tax benefits should be reallocated among the different social needs to yield more benefits for such a vital need, such as healthcare -- which looks just ugly.
mushindo 2 years ago
That's just it mushindo, we can't change rights into needs or vice versa. We don't arbitrarily get to say this or that is a right. We don't get to vote on that.
Rights simply are... The founding of the USA defines certain rights as unalienable, bestowed on us by our Creator. Therefore they can't be changed, can't be taken away, can't justly be given up of our own accord. They're unalienable.
The purpose of govt is to secure rights.
I agree with you the tax system needs a major overhaul.
sailcats77 2 years ago
Sailcats: You're obviously not a "Good Samaritan". So, how selfish must we be?
bodryn 2 years ago
bodryn, what basis do you claim to know me well enough to say I'm not a good samaritan?
How selfish must we be you ask?
One of most selfish philosophies you can ever hope to adopt is liberalism. It tries unsuccessfully to redefine freedom and rights into tyranny. But it can't stand up to scrutiny of course.
Govt providing needs is tyranny. Govt protecting rights is a just function of govt.
Rights are free, needs cost $.
Providing needs means some are forced to pay, which is servitude.
sailcats77 2 years ago
Sailcats: "By their fruits shall ye know them." Your own words tell me all I need to know.
bodryn 2 years ago
badryn, are you saying it's more Christ like to force some to work for the needs of others?
That is literally what you're saying, and what you advocate in adopting liberalism. It's so poisonous you may indeed not even know you've been brainwashed. If that's the case, so sorry for you.
The only other alternatives are that you know what liberalism stands for and keep with it anyway, in which case you're willingly evil.
Or you're ignorant of the facts and refuse to follow reason.
sailcats77 2 years ago
If you don't take care of your children, the law will deal with you. Some of us humans are too old to work. Somebody has to take care of them, or else it is truly a sick society. It's a matter of degree and conscience. Also: "Judge not, that ye be not judged."
bodryn 2 years ago
bodryn, not trying to harp on you, but just read your last comment from a week ago about someone having to take care of the elderly.
Well we currently owe more for future SS commitments than there is wealth in the entire country. Are you aware of that?
I agree someone needs to care for the elderly. Financially, that someone should be the elderly themselves.... having wisely saved when they were younger and able.
But dependent-mentality has poisoned our whole culture to now expect servitude.
sailcats77 2 years ago
bodryn, btw, the words from the Bible that you quoted, "By their fruits shall ye know them" were what Jesus warned his followers to be wary of, in order to know a false prophet.
I am not a prophet and never claimed to be. You apparently like to try to use Biblical language just to present the appearance of upholding your argument when in fact the words don't apply here at all.
And if you're accusing me of lying, then point out how. Nothing you've said stands to scrutiny.
sailcats77 2 years ago
I've always been able to tell a lot about people by their fruits, i.e., by what they say and do.
bodryn 2 years ago
She's complaining about having to pay $130/mo and not using the healthcare she's paying for.
But then goes on to say she'd rather have socialized health care where she would instead have to pay for others' high costs. lol
sailcats77 2 years ago
people think that univ. healthcare is free, but they obviously have no idea what they are saying. Universal health care is just the money that is now being payed by people individually for healthcare, pooled together, and spit back out with shit health workers and NO competition (no competition leads to no risk taking towards new inventions)! Let me ask you this, what is wrong with paying for what you get? is it that your too lazy and pathetic to take real initiative to work for what you get?
gopc32 2 years ago
@gopc32 "Let me ask you this, what is wrong with paying for what you get?" - Well, what if I am too poor to afford what I need? Do I just die?
brotherbob1978 1 year ago
@gopc32 so you don't want your american friends and family's to have health care like all over the world
kapec21 11 months ago
@gopc32 Universal healthcare is not free, very true , but in America it is over priced by about 200%, I walk into a hospital were I am, I saw a sergeon, had exrays, saw the sergeon again, who suggested I take medicine for 8 weeks before considering surgery, the problem went away and I spent 12usd on the whole thing, in America it would have cost me 3000.00usd, I know this is true because I went in there for something close to the same thing. So you are wrong cretin, I got what I paid for ,,I,
daveusaz1218 8 months ago
@gopc32 just like Moore said
Doctors in America have 10 houses and 5 cars, but middle class people don't have the money for health care
In Europe we like everyone to have health care and doctors don't have to be filthy rich, only rich, that's enough for them. 2 cars and 2 houses are enough, the times of kings ended.
AntiSocialChannel85 6 months ago
@AntiSocialChannel85 You're WAY over generalizing. And... in a free society, you can study hard, make good choices, and become a doctor. That's the only way it should be.
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Ron Paul 2012.
AntiSocialChannel85 3 weeks ago
@gopc32 It's paid for through taxes. People would no longer have to pay monthly premiums to a rich insurance company. We all pay for it through our taxes based on your income. It's the ONLY FAIR WAY...
dale3858 4 months ago
@gopc32 Fair, free, universal health-care for EVERYONE is the only RIGHT way. Insurance companies making billions every year on peoples misfortune and misery, it's WRONG!
Free healthcare for all is a human right, not a privilege. America/s the only civilized country that does not provide this for its citizens. Shameful.
Medicare and Medicaid work, ask any doctor who he'd rather send a bill, he'll always say the govt. My doc friend pays a person to argue with blue cross etc over a $35 bill.
dale3858 4 months ago
@gopc32 The countries that offer Universal healthcare pay for it through their taxes. Now you might thin k this is a Gov takeover, but even the British still pay less than Americans. Britain is ranked 18th on healthcare, America is ranked at an embarassing 37th rank. Its fact.
With America healthcare, you oay $7,000 per year via health insurance plus co-pays and deductibles. And not everything is covered. So statistically we American s pay more for healtyhcare than the british.
pluto4847 4 months ago
@pluto4847 You need to understand what is being ranked and how. The ranking you are referring to is weighted such that the more socialized medicine the country delivery, the higher ranked it is (lower number).
oldNavyJZ 3 weeks ago in playlist Dumb Democrats
@oldNavyJZ The study has nothing to do with 1) how much it costs or 2) the quality of the care.
oldNavyJZ 3 weeks ago in playlist Dumb Democrats
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I don't understand.
pluto4847 2 weeks ago
This sounds like a paid advertisement for socialized health care. Is this chick on the Democrats' payroll?
fruticetum 2 years ago
If people think healthcare is expensive now, just wait until its free!!!
30percentplusreturns 2 years ago
exactly
fruticetum 2 years ago
Know why medical care is so cheap in Jordan? Malpractice suits are NOT ALLOWED there. But notice 0bama and the Democrats WON'T EVEN ENTERTAIN THE IDEA of getting trial lawyers out of medicine. So this chick is obviously a hired mouthpiece of socialized medicine, but she unwitting is telling us what the problem by talking about Jordan. It's the fucking trial lawyers. Cut them out, and watch costs as well as defensive unnecessary CYA procedures drop overnight.
fruticetum 2 years ago
Why the hell shouldn't this chick have to pay for her own health care? Why the fuck does she expect somebody else to pay for it? And why didn't her mother have the foresight to buy health insurance for herself?
fruticetum 2 years ago
this femme fatale is too much.
hakkerxxx 2 years ago
if i was your mom i would want to be dead to keep from listening to your crazy bs rants..
mryome1999 2 years ago
please don't make videos, your personal experiences don't mean anything in the grand scheme of things. I know that sounds harsh, but frankly that's the truth a few horror stories do not make up for the fact that the vast majority of people. Not only get their health care but are happy with their healthcare.
If you want to do, so, it will really make a difference advocate for the disposal of the HMOs act
bigboss686 2 years ago
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stevefye 2 years ago
if you still don't have health insurance, you should go back to the uk.
BETO1BETO2 2 years ago
i'm french and for us it's normal our systeme.Every one has the right to be covered and get health care. It's a society choise ...
delemalia 2 years ago
Ok. I am an ER doctor, and I am in favor of health care reform. That having been said it is really a myth to say that Americans do not get treated. We NEVER turn ANYONE away from the ER regardless of their ability to pay.
That is part of the inefficiency and why I favor reform. I want everyone to be able to afford to go to a family doc, so we don't end up seeing so many non-emergencies in the ER.
ccr5cxcr4 2 years ago
Maybe in your hospital it's a myth, but I PERSONALLY have been turn aside when I needed a life saving surgery because I had no health insurance nor did I have around half the cost of the surgery on hand at the time (as they wanted 50%+ before I could even get into the "door").
Kendrahf 2 years ago
I don't think anyone is saying that American's dont get treated - as you put it - because of ER turning them away. The point is that many Americans chose not to go into ER - because (as Esther said) of the huge bills. I have health insurance! And I STILL got stuck with enormous bills after my miscarriage. If I have another miscarriage, I am NOT going into ER because it cost too darn much even with insurance. - The current system is WRONG WRONG WRONG on so many levels.
Elizabeth01010101 2 years ago
Trust me, I am in favor of health reform. Unfortunately I believe the administration has failed this time around. Maybe not.
I am not sure that I support the monstrosity of a bill they are proposing right now though. I am a fan of transparency, and any 1500 page plan is fundamentally flawed because the truth is no-one will read it.
ccr5cxcr4 2 years ago
A simple plan that would vastly improve the situation, that would also be very transparent would be as folllows:
Simple give every American the right for up to $2000 a year to be spent on evidence based medicine (no alternative therapies, no electives). Allow them to roll over 1/2 whatever they do not spend to the following year to accumulate in a personal account.
Establish national standards of care with liability protection for docs who follow the standard of care.
ccr5cxcr4 2 years ago
At the same time, require every company that offers health insurance to offer a catastrophic health care policy with $2000 deductible with standard features (create a level playing field & allow them to compete for the business).
The advantage of my proposal is reduced liability for doctors = reduced malpractice insurance = less defensive medicine = more intelligent application of resources.
Also. Transparent. Easy to see what we will be spending & can budget for it.
ccr5cxcr4 2 years ago
Also, because the money is in an individual's account, they will be shopping for the doctor to do their annual physical. So market forces will be in play. They will be paying cash, and know 1/2 what they do not spend rolls over, so there is incentive to spend that money intelligently on THEIR end (rather than an insurance company second guessing your choices).
ccr5cxcr4 2 years ago
Is it perfect? No. Vast exceptions which it does not address. Would it be an improvement? Hell yes.
Tremendous incentive to go for preventative health care (must get a physical at a minimum to qualify for the money), and up to 2 grand a year help. AND the average person can understand it, and the bill would be a page long
Concentrate on passing that, then work on the exceptions & flaws. But keep it simple. One of the problems with our current situation is the mind-numbing complexity
ccr5cxcr4 2 years ago
Oh. And of course index the whole thing to inflation. And we can cheat on the standards of care, and simply steal the ones Britain, Canada, France or Germany use.
Then put in a national health information database & use it to prevent doctorshopping for pain meds & to identify fraud and abuse. Not to mention the scientific potential of identifying epidemiological patterns.
Would kick ass. But would never pass because of the privacy nuts.
ccr5cxcr4 2 years ago
lol my 26 year old lazzy assed neighbor does that. his cast switches hands periodically. i think hes addicted to oxy contin or somthing.
markbotv3 2 years ago
And I am sorry about your experience with the miscarriage & ER. We do our best. You do realize that a lot of the reason YOUR bill was so high is that you are paying for every other person that shows up and does not pay... and also for the idiotic defensive medicine we are forced to practice.
There is no reason whatsoever why I should be seeing people with colds in the ER. But people who can't afford a family doc come to the ER, because we will treat them regardless of ability to pay.
ccr5cxcr4 2 years ago
you work in health industry? what is your oppinion on the healthcare debate? im not trolling you i honestly would like to hear your oppinion.
markbotv3 2 years ago
Eliza: And so is the government. Take a look at other government run systems here for a clue.
Government has never made things easier. Don't get me wrong I want reform...but I want it done Smart. Giving it to DC to louse up is anything but smart.
wormer105 2 years ago 10
No, I agree with you. The two sides people argue from - both sides are right! The current system sucks but the new govt ran plan that may happen - also sucks. I don't know which one is any better or worse.
Elizabeth01010101 2 years ago
@wormer105 Fair, free, universal health-care for EVERYONE is the only RIGHT way. Insurance companies making billions every year on peoples misfortune and misery, it's WRONG!
Free healthcare for all is a human right, not a privilege. America/s the only civilized country that does not provide this for its citizens. Shameful.
Medicare and Medicaid work, ask any doctor who he'd rather send a bill, he'll always say the govt. My doc friend pays a person to argue with blue cross etc over a $35 bill.
dale3858 4 months ago
You contradicted yourself delemalia.
If it is every societies choice then everyone does NOT have a right.
pitbullexpress 2 years ago
One answer is to change the 4 year Pres'y--other countries have a different system: if the leader is unpopular the party in power kicks him out itself and gets a new one, hoping to stay in power next election. Elections have to be every 4 or so years, but the leader can call for one whenever he wants within those boundaries. This could reduce corporate power, making it harder for them to line up their political bribe targets.
seriousnews2 2 years ago
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It is kind of amazing some "people" think health costs are like buying a car or any other commercial proposition (eg: all the insurance co-sponsored posts on Youtube by varying "people"). You can plan to buy a car or a house: it's your own responsibility and your money allocation--but you can't plan a medical affliction. Not the same. I simply note one anti-health plan person on Ytube had her two fave videos as a) a revolver shooting into a tank, and b) a clip of Milton F'man on "Greed". True!!
seriousnews2 2 years ago
$600/annum is just the health premium which was added as a new tax by the liberals to help dig us out of a deficit situation after they ran on not increasing taxes. We pay substantially more via income taxes. Health care costs account for approx 40% of Ontario revenues in F'08. So, very very expensive. i.e. Ontario would not even require the income tax if not for universal healthcare. The US has avery difficult decision on its hands.
mucked3 2 years ago
The US government puts a price on life.
EricaYE6 2 years ago
Don't fool yourself. Every government puts a price on life. We just don't like to talk about it. Try to get a liver transplant at 70+... You MIGHT be able to get one, but it would be a miracle. The transplants are saved for people who have a long enough economic life to make it worth saving them.
And it is more strict in countries like Canada, UK & France.
ccr5cxcr4 2 years ago
That's exactly right. A country acts just like a business. It protects its most valuable assets (working middle aged cohort) and feeds money into its investments (the youth). But, once you hit retirement age, the country doesn't need you anymore. They just want your money through taxes (which is return on investment really).
ImTestingSleeping 2 years ago
just say no.
jrockstedy 2 years ago
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I am an accomplished trial attorney. I AM UNABLE TO GET MY OWN HEALTH INSURANCE. Period. End of Story. I am not disabled. I had to spend a fortune on medical bills. I had to close my lucrative law practice. I want to reopen my practice in Coeur d Alene, Idaho or Spokane, Washington. I AM WILLING TO MARRY A GREAT LADY IN ORDER TO GET HEALTH INSURANCE. Richard
ricksands52 2 years ago
the gov't has given you guys a trillion reasons why trusting them and giving them more power are terrible ideas.
bleating and babbling sheep!
matter0ni 2 years ago
the largest industries in the US have power that has surpassed that of the US government and every governing body on the earth. they own the government. if the people have a chance to take something back, why do you side with the power structure?
muffinblighter 2 years ago
they own the govt, so they are the govt too. fuck themexpose and end all corruption!
zachypooie 2 years ago
no theres something really wrong with the lack of ambition and drive to get out and become prosperous so you can take care of yourself. if the founding fathers said small govt is good govt, i think im on their side. i mean afterall, they created a country that became the most oppertunistic and prosperous in the world....all because of one document. why we are drifting from this document i dont know....please stop acting on emotion and start acting on logic
zachypooie 2 years ago
well said, well said.
matter0ni 2 years ago
the constitution has nothing to do with capitalism.
muffinblighter 2 years ago
If this health care system of yours is bad. Why do you have it. I have never heard one single good comment about US health care system. I mean can't you just pay tax and have a good government controled national system.
You don't have to be a socialist to understand why that's a good idea.
desperatefight 2 years ago
I know I'm going senile. When I was 16, I knew everything. With each passing year, I find that I really didn't know everything.
I just checked and found that I have been discussing this with a 16 year old who knows everything. How silly of me.
Loraguy 2 years ago
How is my point of view harming people? If anything, it's helping people, as your chances of surviving illness under socialized medicine are not as great as under our health care system. You called me selfish and insinuated that I am neither warm, nor wonderful (ouch). However, you have failed to reply to my statements. Instead, you use ad hominem arguments in order to prove your point that I am a mean person.
BIitzed 2 years ago
Once again, you're using an ad hominem argument to prove your point. My age has relatively nothing to do with the issue at hand. Your feigned superiority and hubris, however, point out the fact that you can't use evidence to substantiate what you believe. And you know, people are supposed to be naive and idealistic when they are young (16) not 37. Ciao.
BIitzed 2 years ago
I feel guilty for wasting vaulible time watching this talking head. Jeez...
JamesTClement 2 years ago
Believe me, is amazing compared to the health care of other countries, especially ones with socialized medicine. Come on now, you must realize that free coverage for everyone isn't exactly free, right? 5 hour plus waits for routine procedures, rationing of life-saving medicines, and overall worse quality of care is what puts Canada and the UK apart from the US. In fact, your chance of surviving cancer is much higher in the US than anywhere with universal healthcare.
BIitzed 2 years ago
So says the health-insured American who has never lived in Canada. I've spent my entire life wrapped up in the warm fuzzy blanket that you call "socialized medicine." I have never waited hours to be seen. And I don't know anyone who has ever been denied treatment for anything, ever.
Do you really believe a bum on skid row in L.A. gets the same treatment as you?
He would in Canada!
I think you have been swallowing too much propaganda, generated by your "for-profit" health care industry.
Loraguy 2 years ago
So says who, exactly? Thanks for conjecturing about who I am, but I'd rather you back up your arguments with facts. Thanks.
"Studies by the Commonwealth Fund found that 57% of Canadians reported waiting 4 weeks or more to see a specialist; 24% of Canadians waited 4 hours or more in the emergency room"
So much for your assertion that there is no wait time. You also failed to answer my post about survival rates of cancer. If Canada has better care, why do we survive at higher rates?
BIitzed 2 years ago
And the bum in L.A.?
Or ask the uninsured kids of a single mom in Duluth.
Canada's system isn't perfect; there is no such animal.
I personally have waited four weeks to see an arthritis specialist. But I consider this one of the small drawbacks to a system where no one gets treatment any slower or faster than me, whether they are a CEO or an unemployed broom pusher.
No one is ever denied treatment due to inability to pay, and no one ever goes bankrupt over a hospital bill.
Loraguy 2 years ago
After all, you have to admit that Obama won the presidency while openly promising to reform your system, possibly towards "socialized medicine".
But there has never been a political party in Canada that has risen to power on a platform promising to scrap our health care system.
We are educated people. If things were so awful here, we would hate it and demand change.
Loraguy 2 years ago
People didn't necessarily know what he was promoting. You would be surprised what most Americans don't know, given the MSM here. In fact, only 40% of Americans currently support the way he is handling the health care issue. As for Canada, people ARE speaking out against it, even here on YouTube. There are numbers to back it up: the CMA has been reporting declines in satisfaction with care.
BIitzed 2 years ago
And what you just said is exactly why Canadians who can afford better treatment come to the US. You claim to be looking after people in America who can't pay for care, but the reason that our system works better than yours is that we don't have to ration care due to costs. That's why Americans survive terminal illnesses at a higher rate.
BIitzed 2 years ago
People who can afford to get what they want, when they want it will go where their money will let them avoid waiting in a line. I would too.
The wealthy here also spend their money to send their children to private schools. But it would be insane to suggest that this is a reason to abandon free public education.
In all likelihood, the 60% of Americans who are uninterested in health care reform are those who have adequate insurance.
Put yourself in the shoes of the poor; then think about it.
Loraguy 2 years ago
The problem is that not everyone is rich enough (or close enough to the border) to travel to another country for basic procedures. No one should have to fly to another country for basic health care. Secondly, if America gets socialized medicine, there will be no where to go in North America for quality care. Put yourself in the shoes of hard-working, honest Americans that know that there is no such thing as a free lunch, then think about it.
BIitzed 2 years ago
Also, why should other people have to pay for the health care of someone who doesn't have a job or insurance, and then have to settle for under average care themselves. Believe me, I'm all for people getting treatment, but not at the expense of everyone's health. You are not looking at the big picture: statistically, socialized medicine is not in the best interest of most people in America. Our current system may not be perfect, but it does not need to be made worse.
BIitzed 2 years ago
Everyone is free to succeed, but everyone is also free to fail. And if you fail, you're on your own buddy!
So there it is... how selfish.
You might not agree, but I believe that, as a group, Americans are better than that.
I absolutely love being Canadian and I wouldn't trade that for my life. But I also love America and Americans. I have driven a bike through 49 states and met thousands of warm, wonderful people. I am happy to say that I have not met many like you.
Good bye.
Loraguy 2 years ago
Well, its a lot less expensive than the tax increases universal health care will give...
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Smartassawhip 2 years ago
This girl must be pampered beyond a reason of a doubt.
Smiling constantly is a trait that only fake people exhibit to the public.
AirHendrix91 2 years ago 2
A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have.
-Thomas Jefferson
cruisers5313 2 years ago
Change will only come about once enough brainwashed Republicans have gotten tired of their parents going bankrupt as a result of coverage denial in the quest for Insurance industry to do what they're supposed to do, profit by raising revenues while minimizing coverage.
invent1101 2 years ago
Who are the Republicans being brainwashed by...the media?!?! hahaha or is it the only station that leans to the right? I AM FOR HEALTHCARE REFORM. But instead of salvaging the system from what is left they will completely destroy the quality of our healthcare. This isn't about being a republican or a democrat...it's about using a bit of common sense and reforming healthcare responsibly. Not just throwing MY money at the problem only to have the same problem of higher costs.
cruisers5313 2 years ago 2
Why don't you drive your ford focus into the ocean and go back to jolly old england if you don't like america's health care.
You are begging for socialism.
Hope you don't STROKE OUT on the way there.
People die in the waiting rooms of the countries you speak of.
cinnamonfantasy 2 years ago
Faintstarlite, unfortunately you can forget that Universal Healthcare is coming to the US anytime soon as long as too many people like Cinnamonfantasy are still around to repeat the BS served to them by their corporate owned (and pharmaceutically subsidized) media. I've been living in the US for the past 7 years but going back to Canada in a few months for the peace of mind its healthcare system provides.
trader1963 2 years ago
You won't be missed.
People come from all over the world to get treated here. The US makes all the greatest medical breakthroughs.
cinnamonfantasy 2 years ago
cinnamonfantasy, that's right, continue to repeat what you've heard just like a mindless parrot. I'm sure those in power are glad to know that people like you defend a system that works against their self-interest. They are glad to know you are happy to pay taxes and get nothing in return while they funnel your money to their rich friends. They know that merely throwing around the words "socialism" and "anti-american" is enough to get you to accept anything they want...and they are right.
trader1963 2 years ago
How is it not socialism?
Go to Canada, no one's stopping you.
cinnamonfantasy 2 years ago
cinnamonfantasy, if Universal Healthcare is Socialism, then wouldn't you then have to say that the Police dept., the Fire Dept., and teachers are also examples of Socialism since those services are paid for and dispensed in the same way as UH would be?
trader1963 2 years ago
Glad you mention that. I think all thing should be privatized. Our schools suck thanks to socialism and alot of our police or corrupt.
My perfect world would be the Police brought to you by McDonalds and Privates schools.
cinnamonfantasy 2 years ago
cinnamonfantasy, I see your point. So if someone was robbing your house the police would come over only if you had police insurance. If your house was on fire they would let your house burn down unless you had fire dept insurance and the poor would never be able to lift themselves out of poverty since not being able to pay for education would keep them out of schools. I see that, as usual, you haven't thought this out very well.....
trader1963 2 years ago
Believe me if someone was robbing my house they I would be the last thing they ever saw.
Insurence and all that shit is less than taxes.
People in poverty generally don't go to school.
cinnamonfantasy 2 years ago
cinnamonfantasy, if insurance costs less than taxes, then how is it that the cost of healthcare per capita in the US is the highest in the world? The truth is that EVERY other country in the world spends less on healthcare, even those that cover everyone. You have the internet, would it hurt you to go check out some facts every once in a while instead of continually making unsubstantiate claims that are based more on myth and misperception than on reality?
trader1963 2 years ago
I suggest you do the same.
cinnamonfantasy 2 years ago
If you can PAY!
Beamshipcaptain 2 years ago
Unfortunately you don't listen to the facts about healthcare in the U.S. Here you have it....47 million Americans do not have healthcare. Of those 47 million people in the U.S. 13 million of them are eligible for medicare, but for whatever reason choose not to have it. Of the next 34 million...6 million are illegal in the country and do not pay taxes. Of the 28 million remaining people 20 million of them do not need healthcare because they make enough money. So the final tally is around 8 mil.
cruisers5313 2 years ago
cruisers5313, now how about those approximately 253 million who have health insurance but who can be denied care due to real or fictitious preconditions or those who do get care but still end up having to pay a 20% copay for medical bills that can easy exceed hundreds of thousands of dollars? What about them? They are in the majority who have insurance yet are still screwed and really no better off than those who don't have it..
trader1963 2 years ago
I am not saying the healthcare system is perfect. Yes it does need some major changes, but the gov is focusing on changes that will destroy the quality of the healthcare (US #1 in quality) as well as the competition. Do you really think the gov has demonstrated the ability to manage another trillion dollar program?
cruisers5313 2 years ago
The competition argument makes no sense and that is borne out by the fact that meds are more expensive here than in Canada even though the opposite should be the case through economies of scale (US has 10x the population). Medical insurance companies and big pharma are in collusion together not to lower prices whereas in Canada, where the government negotiates, they get better prices by negotiating for all 30 million people and not just as many separate little groups.
trader1963 2 years ago
cruisers5313, and as far as the government not being able to handle big budgets, why is that argument only used for healthcare and not for, let's say, defense spending? Also, every other industrialized country in the world has some form of Universal Healthcare and can manage it so why not in the US? Maybe you should expect more from your politicians instead of letting them off the hook by saying, as many of them do, "You know you can't trust the government to do anything right".
trader1963 2 years ago
I agree with you...we need major cutbacks on everything. If we could cut back wasteful spending on other programs I would be all for spending more money in the healthcare arena as long as they fix the problem, rather than just throwing money at it.
cruisers5313 2 years ago
The unfairness of the USA health care system doesn't know your political views. You get screwed by insurance companies and hospitals regardless. In fact, it is well known that democrats are 20% richer than Republicans (most democrats live in the States with higher average wages) on the average; so, the unfairness of the healthcare system probably screws conservatives harder.
onlyrey 2 years ago
Are you a liberal?
crono916 2 years ago
OK . stay in Madagascar , dont move to the states
101Nissan 2 years ago
And don´t forget the inflation tax, specially since late 70s, that has destroyed so much wealth and savings. You should aks for the end of reckless monetary policies instead of nationalizing services.
xaviqaz 2 years ago
By trying to control prices and make it more affordable Johnson and Nixon destroyed a mostly private and local healthcare that worked 1.000.000 times better than the today corporate mess. Obama will achieve the same: more people uncovered and much more expensive services. In 1960 out-of-pocket was a 60% of overall. Now is 15%. In 1960 overall healthcare spending as a share of GDP was 5% and 1 out of 5 dollars spent came from government. Now is 18% of GDP; 50% of spending comes from government.
xaviqaz 2 years ago
Thats Crazy. In Australia if you have a life threatening or serious health problem they treat you for free no questions asked. Happened when my grandfather had a heart attack. It seems so silly that in this day and age that the American Government can't afford to provide free health to its citizins
matilda890 2 years ago
"Living in England, I was under Universal Health Coverage ?" Please explain !
morgandrim 2 years ago
Hei, you can drive my stick shift anytime! Everythings wrong with you, I mean cmon look at you. Your face is falling apart. What happened to you Dude. Where is ur facial hair. Where is that beard! i am dissapointed. Think large? what 12 inches! Hei, but seriously system = caca u want justice, Pick up a gun and pointed to the heads doctor. Havent u seen that film with that black dude that went to the hospital with his kid and blah blah he was dying and blah! Ur awesom, Im awesom, Lifes Awesom!
luger0019 2 years ago
hey
Man dont you have a NHS in america :0
you have to pay if you get indured man thats insane lol i have have had many induries and never paid a penny lol i never new other countreys payed..
kurtelli9 2 years ago
I've heard alot about some of univeral health care programs and other stuff some countries have. Also do you remember that a lady who WORKED for that countries government as a ranking leader, her job was the countries health care program, she couldnt get the surgery in her own country, the so called universal health care. She traveled to the united states to get the surgery. So thats why i dont buy all the free stuff among other things. Micheal Moore said its all free so why did she come here?
PrivateOfc 2 years ago
im in canada i dont worry about insurance and shit. everything is free except medicine.
immortal4942 2 years ago
You came BACK to USA?
....WHATS WRONG WITH YOU!!!
HealthIsInPlease 2 years ago 4
Lets all go and eat an apple
Blanspercar 2 years ago
20% of your income is not free, and having no choice is not free either. you might have to think about it less or not come out of pocket on a doctor's visit, but that doesn't mean it's not free. Cheers.
jbminyard73 2 years ago
Sorry for my English,but since long I have been reading a few lies about universal health care and would like to say something:
1) No one worker in Spain (where I live) pays the 20% of his income, and we have Free and Universal Health Care (regardless of your pre-existing conditions).
2)Anyone can freely choose what family doctor you want, or the hospital where you want to receive treatment.
3) People over 65 years don't pay anything for their drugs. And soon, childrens neither.
Emmets 2 years ago
And one more thing: in Spain, as in the rest of the European Union, if you don't want to go to National Health Service, you can always hire any private insurance. The important thing is that if you can pay a private health you can do it, but if you can't do it, there is an alternative. That is true freedom, not your "freedom", subordinate to the money and the fear.
Emmets 2 years ago
We can freely choose hospital and doctors in public healthcare in Spain? Please don´t make me laugh!!! And most people cannot afford any kind of private insurance. The level of savings in Spain is even worst than in America
xaviqaz 2 years ago
The shame about America is that you have to pay for surgery. My dad's client (Hes a mortgage person) got a bad tackle in footy and had to pay 7,000 dollars for a bone in his leg to be sorted, and his insurance had to pay the rest! That's still loads though!
mariokarttrickster 2 years ago
hahah we get free health care in canada.
:)
i heard in the states you have to PAY to have a baby.
here we get payed for having a baby.
LMFAO.
bye.
ailabobila 2 years ago
HAHA Canada WINSSSS U LOSE!
Tylerhanqqqq12341 2 years ago
Its horrible that health care will cost you almost as much monthly as your recreational pot habit. Welcome to the world of adults. Now quit your whining
jht963 2 years ago
dude, i masturbate to your face everyday
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healthcareisaright 2 years ago
Access to health care is not going to fix health inequalities in the US. Countless studies have been conducted in the UK and Canada in which medical experts have concluded that there still is a social gradient in health even though all people there supposedly have equal access to health care.
If one really wants to get all bleeding hearted about contemporary inequalities then s/he must also go a step further beyond the health care debate and talk about social determinants of health.
Chingadiculous 2 years ago