whoa, first of all that daily kos guy did not serve during war time so I don't know why he got all high and mighty. Second, their conversation had nothing to do with serving your country, it was about the VA and you don't have to be a veteran to understand it. Third, Tancredo was one of congress' biggest supporters of legalizing marijuana, so he's okay in my book. Fourth, that kos guy looks weird.
The people who rush to war are the ones who never served and saw the horrors of it like Bush , Cheney& Tancredo. This guy wanted to be Commander in Chief & had depresion? this man is a cowardly racisit who makes fun of the poor& calls himself a Christiian? Jesus would be ashamed of you.
GREAT...just what we need, a new generation of progressive MODERATES who still bow to corporate interests, Israel, and the military. NO THANKS. When the Dems come back to the left, I'll listen.
I'm confused. Tom Tancredo *did* get a "1-Y" deferment after telling the doctor who did his physical that he had been treated for depression. Why is he so sensitive about it now? Why should the other guy apologize for saying that? Tancredo got bitchslapped. He'd have been smarter to just pretend the comment hadn't been made. Walking away and leaving the other guy with the microphone is just stupid.
My brother did serve in war. When he became disabled a few years ago he did seek help from the VA. Thank Heavens for the VA. They were able to diagnose and treat him. Though he is now disabled, at least he receives the proper medical care/treatment/services he so needs right now.
Uhm..I don't get the relevance of Tancredo's military history;I'm sure Tancredo could have gotten some dirt on the other guy if he wanted;is that the way we want all these debates to go?
First, a JAG officer ask a former female POW, who was was also wounded in Iraq, "If she had ever been in Iraq?"....now a Veteran accuses a GOP of cowardice...because of Deferment for Depression!?!...says alot for these so call professionals the main stream media brings on their "Show", and I do mean Show!
I did not know that! Tancredo got a deferment! Like Rush and the pimple on his ass? Dick Cheney's six deferments? GW Bush's stint in the Air National Guard? Did ANY Republican go to Viet Nam?
I didn't know Marcos was a vet. More power to him.
And Tancredo showed just what a coward he is. Not just because he ducked Vietnam but because he couldn't face his own cowardice when Marcos brought it up.
You know, I dont get the bashing of medicare/Medicaid when the only problem they can claim is its money issues.
Its actually is efficient, low overhead, but it costs alot of money.
But so does private insurance and people go bankrupt having it, but of course private insurance companies dont go bankrupt, so that makes private insurance look good?
How about we acknowledge that medicare does work well and work to fix its money issues rather then scrap a good system.
run away you scared little bitch just like 99% of the GOP they dont fight they just want us and our kids to fight....and like the GOP when you tell the truth about them they run away like scared little bitches..... Rush not fight Boil on Ass Beck no fight drug addict Bush no fight AWOL Daddy Bush...anyone? Prescot Bush wat profiteer Cheney No fight defered f4 status Rice no fight Rumsfeild no fight Hannity no fight Palin "signed her own Son up to fight then quit" GOP= Grey old Pussies
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Shame on Keith and Markos.
I have no love for Tom Tancredo, let's be clear about that. But as someone who suffers from depression and has to deal with people dismissing my illness or making light of it, I cannot help but have unbridled contempt for Kos and Keith for the way they acted.
I believe it's cowardly and ignorant to pick on those who suffer from depression, especially if they look and sound like Tom Tancredo.
To send other people's children off to die in a war of choice when You yourself did anything You could not go when it was your generations turn to fight and die.
Fuck that dude. Why do you feel compelled to continue to propagate the mentality that it's the responsibility of any generation to fight and die? Any excuse for not going to war is a good excuse in my mind.
Tancredo is a war profiteer. But so is Bush, Obama, Pelosi, Reid, etc. In fact most of congress and the American public qualify!
why do people always bring up the VA system? it is compensation for the service they gave to their country. it can't be looked at in the same light as medicare which is i guess compensation for being old
but you gave it its best description. Medicare IS the VA system, except for old people and not vets. It's just to remind people that the system they're so afraid of (medicare) is identical in all but those treated to the VA one which they don't fear and support.
It all comes down to believing the poor should die first over the wealthy. Sadly too many rich people forget that all jobs need someone to do it and the rich rely on the poor to maintain their lifestyle in some way.
care thru the VA is considered compensation, medicare is not, there is a difference. it is as dumb as when they were trying to say that requiring people to have health insurance is the same as forcing them to have car insurance.
my government care is awesome, I have no idea why people would not want to pay a few bucks and get the shit I have. specifically if you have nothing right now. I have better care then my $80k a year father. my monthly meds would cost $85.92 guess what I pay nothing 100% free no co-pay I walk in I walk out no bill. I got an elective surgery free, glasses/contacts/dentist/meds I worry about nothing I'm already covered. private insurance sucks I've been there, VA care we all agree we can do better
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Wow you mean that guy was smart enough to find a legit way to not get shipped off to die in a BS war? Yes we should personally attack him and ignore the fact that VA medicine sucks. That Markos looks like a real telephone tough guy to me...or perhaps "satellite tough guy" to be more accurate
How about the fact he made claims that "Some VAs hate the system, without giving examples or names." I can do that to. Some republicans have come up to me and told me they are fed up with hte obvious supressed homosexuality within their party, and that if they just fucked people of the same sex, they'd be a lot better off, but instead let the denial and religious guilt guide their motives. This isn't my beliefs; republicans told me this. I won't say who or when, but I said it, so it must be true
Thats a good point Pony. I would say have the conversation about the quality of government run healthcare, rather than storming off like a big puss...However i was trying to respond to what i see as a main theme in peoples reaction where they are so critical of draft dodgers calling them chicken hawks and cowards. In my opinion there is no honor in being sent by your government to kill other poor people to benefit the military industrial complex.
I may agree that Kieth is on a GE leash. I have seen it a few times but he has not abandoned us. Anyone you know that are dissatified with him were never liberal. Even the most liberal DJ ever likes him,, Mike Malloy.
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Shame on Keith Olbermann and Markos Moulitsas both for putting forward ad hominem nonsense instead of addressing what Tancredo was saying- you'll notice that neither men addressed the fact that many veterans who receive care through the VA are not satisfied with their care. What does Tancredo's history of depression have to do with his ability to listen to and report the feelings and concerns of his constituents? Really guys?
Actually, Markos did attempt to address that "fact" before poor cry baby Tancredo had a temper tantrum. He started with "They want a more effective VA" but he wouldn't let him carry on because he got his panties in a twist.
What Markos went on to say was also the truth but that hurts too much for Faux news loving idiots to come back on. You lot are scared of the government doing a good job and proving once and for all that your whole ideology is WRONG.
Do you know what I cant take what I dish out means. LOL I u have the nerve to talk about irony. Poor little bully cant take his own medicine. The so called conservatives nowadays are a joy to watch, LOL!
whoa, first of all that daily kos guy did not serve during war time so I don't know why he got all high and mighty. Second, their conversation had nothing to do with serving your country, it was about the VA and you don't have to be a veteran to understand it. Third, Tancredo was one of congress' biggest supporters of legalizing marijuana, so he's okay in my book. Fourth, that kos guy looks weird.
uiopuiop2 1 year ago
OWNED on national TV!
GonzoJam 1 year ago
HAHAHA FIght Wing Repukikkklans!!
I LOVE IT!!
He looks like he is gonna cry, presenting himself like a picked in victim.
Isn't that what they accuse people that need social services of being? WHINEY VICTIMS.
GO GET EM!!
Punohuspicks 1 year ago
The people who rush to war are the ones who never served and saw the horrors of it like Bush , Cheney& Tancredo. This guy wanted to be Commander in Chief & had depresion? this man is a cowardly racisit who makes fun of the poor& calls himself a Christiian? Jesus would be ashamed of you.
sonney87 1 year ago
There is a new breed of proud progressives springing up. People like Markos, Grayson, Weiner, and Franken.
These guys are intelligent, articulate, and are willing to step forward and speak the truth.
They will not back down from conservatives like Tancredo, who like to bully opponents, but wet their pants when someone stands up to them.
I hope others are watching and learning.
bushputz 2 years ago 5
GREAT...just what we need, a new generation of progressive MODERATES who still bow to corporate interests, Israel, and the military. NO THANKS. When the Dems come back to the left, I'll listen.
Yoseman1 1 year ago
Wasnt health insurance and health care in general(hospitals,etc) a non for profit industry before reagan came in?I remember that vaguely.
I know nixon wanted to change health care to a for profit system.
MrTabby5000 2 years ago 2
Blaming profits / health insurance companies for this problem is misguided.
If you want to find out the cause of the problem and how to solve it - look at this video from Peter Schiff:
/watch?v=pzsHrBy7rmE
His father used to sell health insurance for $15/year in the 1960s until government regulations forced these prices up.
imre1000 2 years ago
I'm confused. Tom Tancredo *did* get a "1-Y" deferment after telling the doctor who did his physical that he had been treated for depression. Why is he so sensitive about it now? Why should the other guy apologize for saying that? Tancredo got bitchslapped. He'd have been smarter to just pretend the comment hadn't been made. Walking away and leaving the other guy with the microphone is just stupid.
tgrigsby7 2 years ago
Tom Tancredo is a fat wimp.
MrFatbee 2 years ago 3
Thank you Keith and Markos for always telling the truth and outing Chickenhawks like Tancredo, Limbaugh and Cheney
BloggerWoman 2 years ago 9
My brother did serve in war. When he became disabled a few years ago he did seek help from the VA. Thank Heavens for the VA. They were able to diagnose and treat him. Though he is now disabled, at least he receives the proper medical care/treatment/services he so needs right now.
BloggerWoman 2 years ago 6
Tancredo received a deferment.
Rush Limbaugh received a deferment.
Dick Cheney received 6 deferments.
BW Bush never served in Vietnam at the height of the war and was often missing in action when he was supposed to be in the Air National Guard.
(like his records are now mysteriously missing in action)
These Republican Chicken Hawks who advocate war are ridiculous!
BloggerWoman 2 years ago 8
they advocate war because they want bigger central government idiot
the democrats also want bigger central government, IDIOT
elitebanktyranny 2 years ago
Uhm..I don't get the relevance of Tancredo's military history;I'm sure Tancredo could have gotten some dirt on the other guy if he wanted;is that the way we want all these debates to go?
mrbriscoe2001 2 years ago
First, a JAG officer ask a former female POW, who was was also wounded in Iraq, "If she had ever been in Iraq?"....now a Veteran accuses a GOP of cowardice...because of Deferment for Depression!?!...says alot for these so call professionals the main stream media brings on their "Show", and I do mean Show!
hajqbvii 2 years ago
I am a veteran.
When I suffered an injury during training I required surgery. It was dealt with quickly, professionally, and without any bullshit.
The VA hospital system works.
ericzum 2 years ago 6
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JixMa 2 years ago
I did not know that! Tancredo got a deferment! Like Rush and the pimple on his ass? Dick Cheney's six deferments? GW Bush's stint in the Air National Guard? Did ANY Republican go to Viet Nam?
RadarKat73080 2 years ago 4
I didn't know Marcos was a vet. More power to him.
And Tancredo showed just what a coward he is. Not just because he ducked Vietnam but because he couldn't face his own cowardice when Marcos brought it up.
bdf2718 2 years ago 5
If you don't have sound money in your economy eventually you can't afford to feed or shelter yourself.
The bastards have been counterfeiting money since 1971 with world leaders no saying anything bad about counterfeiting gold ?
We're toast...
boots920 2 years ago
You know, I dont get the bashing of medicare/Medicaid when the only problem they can claim is its money issues.
Its actually is efficient, low overhead, but it costs alot of money.
But so does private insurance and people go bankrupt having it, but of course private insurance companies dont go bankrupt, so that makes private insurance look good?
How about we acknowledge that medicare does work well and work to fix its money issues rather then scrap a good system.
waltermh111 2 years ago 2
mynameisbobtoo 2 years ago 5
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Olbermann is a race pimp.
airborne373 2 years ago
whatever the hell that means
integral 2 years ago
What does that even mean?
ponyboy316 2 years ago 3
WAY TO GO MARCOS!!! You maybe to the center left but you just kicked Tancredo's ass!! Grayson Style
imaginepeace63 2 years ago 7
Tancredo got OWNED.
Staticnz 2 years ago 8
Wow! Someone is suffering from a guilty conscience. Here's to hoping TT gets some help before he self destructs.
forloveoffilm 2 years ago 7
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Shame on Keith and Markos.
I have no love for Tom Tancredo, let's be clear about that. But as someone who suffers from depression and has to deal with people dismissing my illness or making light of it, I cannot help but have unbridled contempt for Kos and Keith for the way they acted.
I believe it's cowardly and ignorant to pick on those who suffer from depression, especially if they look and sound like Tom Tancredo.
DreamscribeCC 2 years ago
"I believe it's cowardly"...
To send other people's children off to die in a war of choice when You yourself did anything You could not go when it was your generations turn to fight and die.
Tancredo = War Profiteer
MoxNewsDotCom 2 years ago
EXACTLY right, mox.
billyshake 2 years ago 6
Fuck that dude. Why do you feel compelled to continue to propagate the mentality that it's the responsibility of any generation to fight and die? Any excuse for not going to war is a good excuse in my mind.
Tancredo is a war profiteer. But so is Bush, Obama, Pelosi, Reid, etc. In fact most of congress and the American public qualify!
schulwitz 2 years ago
War is wrong.
That's not my point.
MoxNewsDotCom 2 years ago
why do people always bring up the VA system? it is compensation for the service they gave to their country. it can't be looked at in the same light as medicare which is i guess compensation for being old
soundmoneyfan 2 years ago
but you gave it its best description. Medicare IS the VA system, except for old people and not vets. It's just to remind people that the system they're so afraid of (medicare) is identical in all but those treated to the VA one which they don't fear and support.
It all comes down to believing the poor should die first over the wealthy. Sadly too many rich people forget that all jobs need someone to do it and the rich rely on the poor to maintain their lifestyle in some way.
SirTimbo 2 years ago
care thru the VA is considered compensation, medicare is not, there is a difference. it is as dumb as when they were trying to say that requiring people to have health insurance is the same as forcing them to have car insurance.
soundmoneyfan 2 years ago
my government care is awesome, I have no idea why people would not want to pay a few bucks and get the shit I have. specifically if you have nothing right now. I have better care then my $80k a year father. my monthly meds would cost $85.92 guess what I pay nothing 100% free no co-pay I walk in I walk out no bill. I got an elective surgery free, glasses/contacts/dentist/meds I worry about nothing I'm already covered. private insurance sucks I've been there, VA care we all agree we can do better
sx200ser 2 years ago 5
GYADDAMN! LOL that was fuuuuny.
the07tour 2 years ago 3
Oh SNAP! Shit just got real!
bamboozlewatch 2 years ago 3
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Wow you mean that guy was smart enough to find a legit way to not get shipped off to die in a BS war? Yes we should personally attack him and ignore the fact that VA medicine sucks. That Markos looks like a real telephone tough guy to me...or perhaps "satellite tough guy" to be more accurate
revenge53142 2 years ago
How about the fact he made claims that "Some VAs hate the system, without giving examples or names." I can do that to. Some republicans have come up to me and told me they are fed up with hte obvious supressed homosexuality within their party, and that if they just fucked people of the same sex, they'd be a lot better off, but instead let the denial and religious guilt guide their motives. This isn't my beliefs; republicans told me this. I won't say who or when, but I said it, so it must be true
ponyboy316 2 years ago 2
Thats a good point Pony. I would say have the conversation about the quality of government run healthcare, rather than storming off like a big puss...However i was trying to respond to what i see as a main theme in peoples reaction where they are so critical of draft dodgers calling them chicken hawks and cowards. In my opinion there is no honor in being sent by your government to kill other poor people to benefit the military industrial complex.
revenge53142 2 years ago
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All of Keiths old viewers have figured out he is just a corporate shill.
I am embarrassed by this sick propaganda.
Everyone watch this, Keith Olbermann has abandoned you...
watch?v=fYlSnNpN8Sc
NookulerFreedom 2 years ago
I may agree that Kieth is on a GE leash. I have seen it a few times but he has not abandoned us. Anyone you know that are dissatified with him were never liberal. Even the most liberal DJ ever likes him,, Mike Malloy.
imaginepeace63 2 years ago 3
OH my god you are a Larouche nut. He is such a fraud. You are in a cult. YOU ZOMBIE.
imaginepeace63 2 years ago
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Shame on Keith Olbermann and Markos Moulitsas both for putting forward ad hominem nonsense instead of addressing what Tancredo was saying- you'll notice that neither men addressed the fact that many veterans who receive care through the VA are not satisfied with their care. What does Tancredo's history of depression have to do with his ability to listen to and report the feelings and concerns of his constituents? Really guys?
theaaroneason 2 years ago
Actually, Markos did attempt to address that "fact" before poor cry baby Tancredo had a temper tantrum. He started with "They want a more effective VA" but he wouldn't let him carry on because he got his panties in a twist.
What Markos went on to say was also the truth but that hurts too much for Faux news loving idiots to come back on. You lot are scared of the government doing a good job and proving once and for all that your whole ideology is WRONG.
Naskeleng 2 years ago 8
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Do you live in an irony-free zone, Naskeleng? Do you know what an ad hominem argument is?
theaaroneason 2 years ago
Do you know what I cant take what I dish out means. LOL I u have the nerve to talk about irony. Poor little bully cant take his own medicine. The so called conservatives nowadays are a joy to watch, LOL!
the07tour 2 years ago 5
If government was useless and ineffective, what would have been the point in creating society?
ponyboy316 2 years ago 2
Repub's cant take what they dish out like some little school yard bully. LOL depressed ass coward LOL.
the07tour 2 years ago 8