@jackherman00 at my club in the uk we perform this faster and with a guy running at you and he only brings out his hand at the last moment. The guy in this video is stupid
one of the first things you learn in aikido is to take a fall, if you didnt you would be seriously hurt. thats why you see the guys getting right back up. they also do not compete, its not an aggresive sport, its a defensive art. they dont have an aikido kid. i have tried two actually techniques in real life, one took the guy 15 minutes to recover, another guy got back up as soon as the wrist lock was over with, it depends on how much you decide to apply.
@CrazeXe Technique is the key. You do need some strength for different people - eg I am 85 kg's & my opponent is 146 kg's. For me to throw him over my shoulder using my hip, I still need to carry part of his weight. If you can get someone to practice with, practice very slowly and you will start to get the feel of it. Aikido is a difficult Martial Art to learn, but it is very effective. Take a look at Hapkido
@CrazeXe I understand what you are saying - At the start of my Martial Arts training, I couldn't fathom the throwing techniques, but I soon learnt that they would come into play if and when your opponent was close to you ie They had a hold of you for example, or you were in a position where a strike would be useless, but a throw beneficial. Give yourself a chance, you will get it - Just keep training and take in as much as you can learn -
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So can you actually propel a person to flip over like that with just that wrist turn or is he just co-operating by flipping along to your Kote Gaeshi?
@DrummermanMatt Yes, in aikido the would-be aggressor is cooperating with the fall, for the simple reason that it would be unbelievably painful NOT to do so. That way, nobody gets hurt.
I am a dance teacher and have studied aikido for many years. My thought is this is a video for beginners...he says 'the move made famou in Above the Law movies ...i.e. Steven Seagal...when a beginner one usually has to exaggerate the movement to make it seen ...also, some people are not 'visual' learners, so needs to be seen. The other thing with beginners is that you don't want to scare them off, so the idea is to make it look simple...I agree there are better teachers, but some ideas...lol
the moves in the videos are broke down so that its easy explained,i've no doubt that th man in th video could deal wi someone comin at him more aggressively an the result would be the same,i,ve went at my sensai with a knife many nyts wilst trainin at his request an the end result was always the same me layin flat on my back with my sensai endin up with the knife,or club are makin videos in real life senarios out on the street because it seems when you make videos in th dojo they only get abused
@AmericanPowerBase to elaborate: "ka" is the japanese term form making something into a question. So if you study it, you question it. so, yes, hence "aikidoka"
i can see how this is a good technique, and i understand its done like this for demonstration purposes, would be good to see how this technique would be used with different approaches as opposed to the outstretched open palm.
I know intermediate Krav Maga, and it's useful in practical "real-world" combat scenarios... is Aikido like that too? I'd really love to learn Aikido.
@donphonica I think Krav Maga is a very good self defense system which is easier to learn because it was designed to be easily understandable. And because of that factor you'll be a harder target for robbers because you can learn it faster. But in longer terms Aikido has the upper hand when it comes to pure defensive encounters, because Aikido also excels in preservance of health. Krav Maga is designed for the fast destruction of the opponent (even beginner techniques can create serious wounds)
i would love to see this technikes in actual combat, not criticizing, i love aikido, but i'd like to see it done in an actual match or something because this is just... ofc u are going to throw him if he is coming at you at that speed and with his arm full extended xD
i am a judo and kendo student but i dont get in real life when you twist the wrist they dont automaticaly flip most people just lean foward to reduce the pain and dont forget the other hand ive been in several real life fights and ive applied this techinique and all they do is hit with the other hand are kick you
@NTnemo ..that's because you're only applying pressure on the wrist. Kote gaeshi is not about twisting the wrist so much as unbalancing the whole body. So done properly your technique should affect the opponent's center, not just his wrist.
Otherwise exactly what you describe happens: they lean forward and use their other hand.
Btw. if you tend to get into real life fights, perhaps it's not martial technique you ought to study but martial mind... Keeps you out of trouble. ;-)
nah its actually a very valuable technique. Its just in these videos because there making it easy not legit fighting. On the street you could use this for example if somebody has a knife you are trained to flip them over, and break there wrist etc... very valuable skill
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Can't stand watching more of this Aikido BS.
Everytime they demonstrate something, the attacker is doing some weird shit, which is definetly not attacking. More like trying to shake hands or something.
It's pretty easy to attack someone if they try to shake hands!
@OMFGsoBOARD are you stupid or just have no experience of martial arts at all? They do it slowly to demonstrate. If your new to a technique you do it slowly then go faster as you master it. Thats how techniques are thought.
having actually applied this style of wrist lock in actual combat it is very effective. You have to begin by practicing at a pace that will allow for the development of form, then you learn to become more combative with the execution of the technique. Aikido is more about grace, whereas much of the MMA stuff is at best blended techniques, at worst just guys trying to pummel each other. People shouldnt make assumptions on aikido's effectiveness based on basic trng vids geard to laymen.
Does aikido take realism into account? What kind of attack would take place like the one portrayed in the video? The attacker marching towards the defender with his arms outstretched/ Gimme a break. Plus the main reason an attcker would grab your wrist would be to pull you somwhere or to follow up with a strike
oh and the reason youre seeing the attacker "flying" is because your body naturally moves in such a way to keep a joint from being broken. Locks are very effective. in disabling and controlling. period
I don't understand why people can't grasp the concept that repeating forms and techniques slowly is how you create muscle memory. Obviously an attacker is never going to come at you slowly or in vulnerable positions. in a fast paced fight that may last only a few seconds that muscle memory will allow you to quickly see an attack and the best defense to counter. Also no form of MA is perfect. They all have their applications and strengths/weaknesses. Weather it be aikido, juijitsu, muy thai ect
I don't understand how Aikidokas can claim that these slow, drawn out, telegraphed, and caricature-like drills can somehow prepare you for a street situation, which looks EXACTLY the opposite of this.
At this pace it doesn't. On the high end your attacker will have a lot more freedom in how they attack. Only after many slow drills will you start to see the openings and know how to step, where to apply pressure, what to turn.
Being critical of this form of training would be like criticizing children for practicing the letter 'B', because they couldn't possible author 'War and Peace' with sloppy letter 'B's.
Get it? No. I understand what you're saying but it's a bunch of bullshit.
Bottom line; good luck trying to get kotegaeshi on someones who's boxing your fucking face in on the street. Real life is not a Steven Seagal movie or a Christian Tissier demonstration.
Only question. When will and attacker EVER approach someone like that? Reminds me of the Jimmy Carrey skit on Living Color. though I do admire and respect the art form that is martial arts. I would like to see demostrations against those that don't do it, but would be the average street thug. Self-defense techniques, as in football, only work if it can be applied to real life situations. Drills in ftball only work if it simulates a real field situation. Is why they outlawed Bull in the ring.
im familiar with martial arts , but i find it hard to believe these techniques will work on a intelligent figther there is always i counter block for these techniques , maybe it works very well in the gym , but in reality this technique probally gonna suck
I don't think whether it will work is in question.....why do you think wrist locks are disallowed in competitive sports...I pratice jujutsu and i find locks like ikkyo and kote gaeshi to be very effective in ground and stand up grappling agaist a highly motivated opponent ....
A true martial artist does not critique another. A true martial artist absorbs in as much knowledge as possible - Learn - There is no such thing as a dirty fighter - Only an educated one
@TKD344 Those who pretend to be a true martial artist try not to criticise others. If the art deserves to be criticize, they should accept it gracefully and only then they will change for the better. Thats how all martial arts are refined rite? the founder explores the flaws and improve them, if they just accept the art as it is, they are just waiting for ppl to prove them wrong. fighting should be the last resort but when u fight , u fight to win, not fight to be and educated one
The thousands of internet martial artists that come out of the woodwork to criticise any and every martial arts video are just proving they have no respect or humility whatsoever...and that does not make a good martial artist.
A very basic explination of Kote-gaeshi, It isnt bad for a student to grasp the basic concept from. although with my Aikido training, I have been taught to keep uke's hand in my centre though out. In Free play it is done in a far more effective maner. People shouldnt knock what they dont understand.
The technique itself is good, but the sensei isn't that great, Next time when he demonstrates, he should make a more realistic demonstration, especially the attack.
Jackalfajack I couldn't agree with you more. I've heard a lot of crappy things about aikido that isn't very nice. I keep hearing people say that aikido is all a joke sport. I hate that. They don't understand the noble phylosophy at all.
I am a judoka, not a practitioner of aikido (I don't know what you call them), but the point is not that someone would actually attack you in this manner. The point is to develop muscle memory. Once that memory is developed, the technique can then be performed from a number of scenarios. If you're not a martial artist, don't try to criticize because you'll only look ignorant.
aequitas189, that's a really hackneyed excuse for why there's so much unrealistic slow motion role playing in traditional martial arts.
People who want to practice boxing or judo or kendo or fencing do so against REALISTIC attacks.
Unrealistic attacks in aikido come from unrealistic attacks in Daitoryu, which come from unrealistic attacks in koryu jujutsu. They are not helpful for self defence. They are merely helpful for learning to play act in classic traditional Japanese MA style.
@slapupchrist I understand what you're saying, and I'm sure some people are poor martial artists because they never move beyond the "unrealistic slow motion role playing." However, I think you're arguing that there's no place for that in "real" martial arts and, if so, you're wrong. I have also been very successful in competitive Judo, and we drill with these "unrealistic" attacks fairly often.
@aequitas189 a student of aikido is called "aikidoka"
and you are very correct, but there are those from expertvillage even who demonstrate very well for a beginner's eyes and don't make it seem so contrived
@aequitas189 a student of aikido is called "aikidoka"
and you are very correct, but there are those, from expertvillage even, who demonstrate very well for a beginner's eyes and don't make it seem so contrived
@aequitas189 If thats the case, I'll just ask a man to walk towards me with his hands aiming at me, 'like a zombie' and i will wallop him into a pulp, to create muscle memory. Then when people attack you in a completely different manner, your muscle memory will not work. Dun try to criticize those who criticize because it makes u look even more ignorant. We may not be martial artist but we have the basic sense of judgement to see what is practical and what is not.
I wasen't trying to be mean, but having been in use of force situations, if you can't go all out for 30-45 seconds... you're usually done. Cardio conditioning is a big plus, especially if you go to the ground.
I agree... as lame as this video looks he is doing that way for a purpose. If he were to do it full speed any person who is unfamiliar with the technique would have no idea what took place. Any good teacher will demonstrate in a manner that is easy to see and comprehend. Not to mention the title even says its for beginners.
I study aikido, I know it works, but attacking with your arm out stretched? No, not realistic. Also his weight is a big issue. Its rare to see a large and HEALTHY person. In a real situation, aikido can be used against 2+ people, but i'm sure he'd, as most men would, find it very difficult to keep his breath and stamina with 2-4 men running at him. Obese senseis do nothing to make aikido a more resped art, martial artists should at least try to keep slim and healthy.
you're talking about those MMA junkies. MMA isn't really a style its a sport. it makes me angry too when someone rags on different martial art forms, and forgetting the fact that those forms are what contribute to MMA in the first place. They confuse fighting with self defense.
You got to think back to when aikido was created, I think most of these moves were meant to counter sword attacks. Just look at the way they approach the defender. Either that, or there were zombies roaming around then.
I have just watched this again and it is really BAD. I have never ever seen an attack from Uke like this. Look at instructors footwork also..SHAMEFUL!!!!
I couldn't agree more. It's no wonder all those anti-Aikido muppets write comments like they do watching demonstrations like this... This geezer should go and train with Chiba Sensei for a bit. Get himself sorted out.
the throw comes from manipulating the wrist and forearm so that Uke has no choice but to take the ukemi. If he tries to resist the wrist and forearm are broken. many ways of making the throw work, easiest way is to fold ukes wrist back towards his own elbow whilst he is stationary, and then you can see his knees buckle; but take real care of him, it should be done slowly and without strength, then you can use him again
It's not so easy to catch a punch, that usually is thrown and retracted fast. Kote gaeshi is more efective against an enemy who is GRABBING you with, as in such situation you have enough time to catch his hand and execute it.
Techniques such as this could not be learned effectively if the "attacker" attacked in an unstylised manner.
Aikido is about principles of movement, which work like building blocks - eventually you reach a point where an opponent's force can be used to great effect because you become more sensitive to their weight distribution and balance.
Lol yeah, Frankenzombie reminds me of lord of the rings when he charges with his arm out... That, and it reminds me of Tiananmen square when the guy was run over by the tank... That would be the perfect time to voiceover "YOU SHALL NOT PASS" with assorted squishy sound effects, of course... ^_^ They really need to train against different attacks... Unless you're getting attacked by a crippled forklift. (respond to TheGooberment)
this technique can be done from a whole number of different attacks. One of my pet peeves is when certain schools of aikido do not practice techniques from all forms of attacks whether it be a straight punch, push, a haymaker type punch, or shomen uchi. I believe it is better to train for all possible types of attacks
Murakisdoll: I am very familiar with this technique and it has 1-3% chance of working. It doesn't matter if you demonstrate it slow or fast. Just have a skilled partner (skilled in striking arts) put on a pair of boxing gloves and jab lightly at you. You will see that he will be able to hit you 9 out of 10 times. Aikido will simply not work. As for its claims of being a samurai art, historically, those claims are erroneous. I have studied history of Martial Arts for years.
I disagree. Aikido works quite well actually to someone who trains in it well and understands the movements and to the same person who knows when and where to use a certain technique. I know this particular technique and can say it does work when applied properly and in a proper situation. I do agrre however that Aikido did not come directly from the Samurai, that's jujitsu. Aikido does have sword techniques but I believe they were developed after samurais. God bless...Peace
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A lot of Aikido instructors start off fit, but after years of Aikido practice become more out of shape. Most of these techniques are just a waste of time. Good to look at, pretty, but have less than 1% chance of being effective against a non compliant, fully resisting, commited, none telegraphing attacker. 6 months of boxing would get you more self defense knowledge than 6 years of Aikido.
What happens if the opponent doesn't make his attack blaringly obvious? This guy walks forward with his hand extended but what if it was a sudden attack, at full speed?
I have commented this before but I can't help myself. This is a multiple dan black belt instructor but his kotegaeshi is badly performed and sloppy. Starting a kotegaeshi with going backwards? No no no no. Control the line, enter, control the uke, apply the wrist lock, apply pin. This is just sad to watch. Depressing.
You're asking about ancient techniques of distant mind manipulation (there is actually a quack from France, aikidoka, who does mind and chi manipulation). I cannot believe how all these good people can be so brainwashed to think that this is what combat even remotely looks like. If you teach this, you should not be hanging a 'Self Defense' sign at your school doors. Explain that it's an ancient dance like art with no real combat purpose. Very misleading.
thats all bullshit the guys jumping for him he aint throwing him....u wanna see real shit watch... "real aikido street fight" a guy in a blue shirt does some real shit
I dont know much bout Aikido but i do know about Judo and Jujitsu and it looks like the student is jumping into the throw. Not realistic, but a good move.
yes, when your practicing (preferably somewhere with soft floors) and you're the "agressor" you are supposed to jump into the throws so you dont land wrong and seriusly hurt yourself. but in real use against someone trying to hurt you, roughly flipping someone whjo doesnt know how to fall on concrete will seriusly mess them up
The student is jumping to avoid injury to the wrist. If a person gets you in that lock position, I guarantee you will feel intense pain and the only way to get out of it is by jumping like that student.
In a actual combat situation, if the opponent does not jump over on his own on time, I guarantee you that the wrist will be broken.
Honeslty some people give Akido a bad name, U can't really say that Aikido sucks until u learn the teckniques abouve a yellow belt and have a better judgement, but even though, by that time, u would have learned that Akido rules and it's one of the best Martial Arts there is. Ps. Just make shure u have a good instructor. ;)
This was in Batman Begins!
SaoMir1 5 months ago
this guy does it wrong
whatsflawless 6 months ago
@jackherman00 at my club in the uk we perform this faster and with a guy running at you and he only brings out his hand at the last moment. The guy in this video is stupid
iliveinatardis 6 months ago
@ThibaaauuulT this isn't fake- when I was nine I could perform this on an uncooperative strong 6foot guy. It works
iliveinatardis 6 months ago
@iliveinatardis liar....
whatsflawless 6 months ago
Thanks for it!
Rochacasa 7 months ago
good one
jitheshc 7 months ago
one of the first things you learn in aikido is to take a fall, if you didnt you would be seriously hurt. thats why you see the guys getting right back up. they also do not compete, its not an aggresive sport, its a defensive art. they dont have an aikido kid. i have tried two actually techniques in real life, one took the guy 15 minutes to recover, another guy got back up as soon as the wrist lock was over with, it depends on how much you decide to apply.
1hogfan83 8 months ago
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antoniohdez1 8 months ago
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antoniohdez1 8 months ago
@CrazeXe Technique is the key. You do need some strength for different people - eg I am 85 kg's & my opponent is 146 kg's. For me to throw him over my shoulder using my hip, I still need to carry part of his weight. If you can get someone to practice with, practice very slowly and you will start to get the feel of it. Aikido is a difficult Martial Art to learn, but it is very effective. Take a look at Hapkido
TKD344 8 months ago
@CrazeXe I understand what you are saying - At the start of my Martial Arts training, I couldn't fathom the throwing techniques, but I soon learnt that they would come into play if and when your opponent was close to you ie They had a hold of you for example, or you were in a position where a strike would be useless, but a throw beneficial. Give yourself a chance, you will get it - Just keep training and take in as much as you can learn -
TKD344 8 months ago
lol fake
ThibaaauuulT 9 months ago
I have been impressed by all of this stuff. Can seem to stop watching. Aikido is one of the best defenses against an offense.
fraser2110 9 months ago
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hyperactive7885 10 months ago
@aikimoon Whatever stupid
DOBERMAN7203 10 months ago
Doberman7203...you need an english class.
Altosaxes05 11 months ago
For my young children for please do not partake in the art of akido for it is not a legitimate fighting system for it is fake. For listen to me my young children for you can waste your whole life away with this phony nonsense for it is fake like WWE
DOBERMAN7203 11 months ago
So can you actually propel a person to flip over like that with just that wrist turn or is he just co-operating by flipping along to your Kote Gaeshi?
DrummermanMatt 11 months ago
@DrummermanMatt Yes, in aikido the would-be aggressor is cooperating with the fall, for the simple reason that it would be unbelievably painful NOT to do so. That way, nobody gets hurt.
fishbonegroove 9 months ago
children please don't listen to DOBERMAN7203... he is fake
-as aequitas189 says.... it's muscle memory... remember the technique and it can be used for almost countless things-
TheWordhammer 11 months ago
children please don't take aikido... it is fake
DOBERMAN7203 11 months ago
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You are an uneducated idiot puppy dog
linuxlyon76 9 months ago
@linuxlyon76 behave young child
DOBERMAN7203 9 months ago
I am a dance teacher and have studied aikido for many years. My thought is this is a video for beginners...he says 'the move made famou in Above the Law movies ...i.e. Steven Seagal...when a beginner one usually has to exaggerate the movement to make it seen ...also, some people are not 'visual' learners, so needs to be seen. The other thing with beginners is that you don't want to scare them off, so the idea is to make it look simple...I agree there are better teachers, but some ideas...lol
salsalover69laters 11 months ago
My dad also showed my big bro and I some moves but I don't remember those names but I might remember 1.. Sakyo.. but I ain't shure.. xD
Shweppes100 1 year ago
I love aikido, my dad is an aikido master.
Shweppes100 1 year ago
the moves in the videos are broke down so that its easy explained,i've no doubt that th man in th video could deal wi someone comin at him more aggressively an the result would be the same,i,ve went at my sensai with a knife many nyts wilst trainin at his request an the end result was always the same me layin flat on my back with my sensai endin up with the knife,or club are makin videos in real life senarios out on the street because it seems when you make videos in th dojo they only get abused
crixus11 1 year ago
Thanks for the smartass comment. That makes you cool...in case you didn't know.
aequitas189 1 year ago
@AmericanPowerBase to elaborate: "ka" is the japanese term form making something into a question. So if you study it, you question it. so, yes, hence "aikidoka"
GrendelsWish 1 year ago
idk about you, but that's exactly how i attack in real time : p
aikido is real good stuff, but this vid is BS!! booooo
GrendelsWish 1 year ago
men this was great! im going on ikido club so i can prtect meself from bullys in school and i dunno that ikido is im trying woohoo thnx guy!!!=D
shermanator3500 1 year ago
i can see how this is a good technique, and i understand its done like this for demonstration purposes, would be good to see how this technique would be used with different approaches as opposed to the outstretched open palm.
hendersonx 1 year ago
@hendersonx look up Gary Boaz on here, he does some good stuff. Kyushoaikiguy is his youtube channel.
prestfeldt 1 year ago
in a real fighting secene there is NO WAY you could grab an attackers hand or wrist... !! Bruce Lee never did....
jhanayoga 1 year ago
Why the hell would someone attack you with on OPEN HAND ON STRRET????
miklosko3355 1 year ago
@miklosko3355
I think he is supposed to be imitating having a gun or a knife... I dunno. Just the impression I got.
kurokasumi 1 year ago
@ aequitas189
AMEN!
kenseisato1989 1 year ago
I know intermediate Krav Maga, and it's useful in practical "real-world" combat scenarios... is Aikido like that too? I'd really love to learn Aikido.
donphonica 1 year ago
@donphonica I think Krav Maga is a very good self defense system which is easier to learn because it was designed to be easily understandable. And because of that factor you'll be a harder target for robbers because you can learn it faster. But in longer terms Aikido has the upper hand when it comes to pure defensive encounters, because Aikido also excels in preservance of health. Krav Maga is designed for the fast destruction of the opponent (even beginner techniques can create serious wounds)
Ravenspike 1 year ago
i would love to see this technikes in actual combat, not criticizing, i love aikido, but i'd like to see it done in an actual match or something because this is just... ofc u are going to throw him if he is coming at you at that speed and with his arm full extended xD
maximopetar 1 year ago
i am a judo and kendo student but i dont get in real life when you twist the wrist they dont automaticaly flip most people just lean foward to reduce the pain and dont forget the other hand ive been in several real life fights and ive applied this techinique and all they do is hit with the other hand are kick you
NTnemo 1 year ago
@NTnemo ..that's because you're only applying pressure on the wrist. Kote gaeshi is not about twisting the wrist so much as unbalancing the whole body. So done properly your technique should affect the opponent's center, not just his wrist.
Otherwise exactly what you describe happens: they lean forward and use their other hand.
Btw. if you tend to get into real life fights, perhaps it's not martial technique you ought to study but martial mind... Keeps you out of trouble. ;-)
ohcrilll 1 year ago
it looks retarded the way they show but its a real valuable technique to know
evb4mvp 1 year ago
nah its actually a very valuable technique. Its just in these videos because there making it easy not legit fighting. On the street you could use this for example if somebody has a knife you are trained to flip them over, and break there wrist etc... very valuable skill
ugodurant 1 year ago
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Can't stand watching more of this Aikido BS.
Everytime they demonstrate something, the attacker is doing some weird shit, which is definetly not attacking. More like trying to shake hands or something.
It's pretty easy to attack someone if they try to shake hands!
hookah777 1 year ago
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OMFGsoBOARD 1 year ago
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@hookah777 I tried it in real life and the wrist/arm bending movements did not take down anyone who was not RUNNING lol
OMFGsoBOARD 1 year ago
@OMFGsoBOARD
so what you're saying is that Aikido doesn't work properly or??
hookah777 1 year ago
Ya they gotta run at you and have slow arms so that u can catch them and use their momentum so it is BS in a way
OMFGsoBOARD 1 year ago
@OMFGsoBOARD are you stupid or just have no experience of martial arts at all? They do it slowly to demonstrate. If your new to a technique you do it slowly then go faster as you master it. Thats how techniques are thought.
uptop84 1 year ago
having actually applied this style of wrist lock in actual combat it is very effective. You have to begin by practicing at a pace that will allow for the development of form, then you learn to become more combative with the execution of the technique. Aikido is more about grace, whereas much of the MMA stuff is at best blended techniques, at worst just guys trying to pummel each other. People shouldnt make assumptions on aikido's effectiveness based on basic trng vids geard to laymen.
soulinteraction 2 years ago
how does someone come at you like that Lmao
Konvict10000 2 years ago
Yww!I hate kotegaeshi because if your too slow it hurts alot on your wrist.
UserDuser1001 2 years ago
wat a load of bullshit
mfcgangster 2 years ago
thanks for the video... i just started aikido so im still trying to learn this.
eyesack9 2 years ago
I still being a beginner, even I have been practisizing for 6 years.
chipotlovich 2 years ago
Does aikido take realism into account? What kind of attack would take place like the one portrayed in the video? The attacker marching towards the defender with his arms outstretched/ Gimme a break. Plus the main reason an attcker would grab your wrist would be to pull you somwhere or to follow up with a strike
Gumbi1012 2 years ago
@Gumbi1012 dude... some thing could happen what you're under attack...
hersenbeuker 2 years ago
I don't understand what you mean.
Gumbi1012 2 years ago
oh and the reason youre seeing the attacker "flying" is because your body naturally moves in such a way to keep a joint from being broken. Locks are very effective. in disabling and controlling. period
lhateyou 2 years ago
The other reason why he 'flys' is that he is offbalanced but still has forward momentum...
armynurseboy 2 years ago
I don't understand why people can't grasp the concept that repeating forms and techniques slowly is how you create muscle memory. Obviously an attacker is never going to come at you slowly or in vulnerable positions. in a fast paced fight that may last only a few seconds that muscle memory will allow you to quickly see an attack and the best defense to counter. Also no form of MA is perfect. They all have their applications and strengths/weaknesses. Weather it be aikido, juijitsu, muy thai ect
lhateyou 2 years ago
I don't understand how Aikidokas can claim that these slow, drawn out, telegraphed, and caricature-like drills can somehow prepare you for a street situation, which looks EXACTLY the opposite of this.
That's what I don't understand.
solpapisolmook 2 years ago
@solpapisolmook This is a basic move for god sake!!It gives begginers an idea of how kotegaeshi work.wait till u see the advanced ones.
Putera120 2 years ago
At this pace it doesn't. On the high end your attacker will have a lot more freedom in how they attack. Only after many slow drills will you start to see the openings and know how to step, where to apply pressure, what to turn.
Being critical of this form of training would be like criticizing children for practicing the letter 'B', because they couldn't possible author 'War and Peace' with sloppy letter 'B's.
Get it?
desimusxvii 2 years ago
Get it? No. I understand what you're saying but it's a bunch of bullshit.
Bottom line; good luck trying to get kotegaeshi on someones who's boxing your fucking face in on the street. Real life is not a Steven Seagal movie or a Christian Tissier demonstration.
solpapisolmook 2 years ago
Whatever you say.. ;)
desimusxvii 2 years ago
Exactly. Now you've come around :)
solpapisolmook 2 years ago
Only question. When will and attacker EVER approach someone like that? Reminds me of the Jimmy Carrey skit on Living Color. though I do admire and respect the art form that is martial arts. I would like to see demostrations against those that don't do it, but would be the average street thug. Self-defense techniques, as in football, only work if it can be applied to real life situations. Drills in ftball only work if it simulates a real field situation. Is why they outlawed Bull in the ring.
TheDissident77 2 years ago
Why don't people realize this shit never works on a highly motivated person...This shit would not work on a high school wrestler...
intrestedparties 2 years ago
lol the guy throw himself on the ground
TheUnknowKING 2 years ago
yes, sometimes the pain will make you do that with these wrist throws....i suspect you are not familiar with aikido
jujutsufan 2 years ago
im familiar with martial arts , but i find it hard to believe these techniques will work on a intelligent figther there is always i counter block for these techniques , maybe it works very well in the gym , but in reality this technique probally gonna suck
TheUnknowKING 2 years ago
@TheUnknowKING
I don't think whether it will work is in question.....why do you think wrist locks are disallowed in competitive sports...I pratice jujutsu and i find locks like ikkyo and kote gaeshi to be very effective in ground and stand up grappling agaist a highly motivated opponent ....
jujutsufan 2 years ago
The technique is sloppy-his hands are not in his center, his back is not straight, and his shoulders are not square. He is sloppy
theyawper 2 years ago
A true martial artist does not critique another. A true martial artist absorbs in as much knowledge as possible - Learn - There is no such thing as a dirty fighter - Only an educated one
TKD344 2 years ago 44
@TKD344 you seem to have more education and I would like to learn more from people like you
Thanks for your comment
is not about power is harmony and peace with all
cepis01 1 year ago
@cepis01 My good friend, I do International Taekwondo Federation classes.
If you see any, give them a go. You wont be dissapointed
TKD344 1 year ago
@TKD344 Those who pretend to be a true martial artist try not to criticise others. If the art deserves to be criticize, they should accept it gracefully and only then they will change for the better. Thats how all martial arts are refined rite? the founder explores the flaws and improve them, if they just accept the art as it is, they are just waiting for ppl to prove them wrong. fighting should be the last resort but when u fight , u fight to win, not fight to be and educated one
jackherman00 7 months ago
The thousands of internet martial artists that come out of the woodwork to criticise any and every martial arts video are just proving they have no respect or humility whatsoever...and that does not make a good martial artist.
jl5000 2 years ago
BIS-CAAAAIIIN!!!!
RamboDobs 2 years ago
what makes them flip/fall?
kickass741 2 years ago
Pain...
jacksge 2 years ago
@jacksge oooooooooooohhhhhhhhhh
kickass741 2 years ago
A very basic explination of Kote-gaeshi, It isnt bad for a student to grasp the basic concept from. although with my Aikido training, I have been taught to keep uke's hand in my centre though out. In Free play it is done in a far more effective maner. People shouldnt knock what they dont understand.
Willsybaby1 2 years ago
The technique itself is good, but the sensei isn't that great, Next time when he demonstrates, he should make a more realistic demonstration, especially the attack.
Aritokamaru 2 years ago 2
I think those people that think that aikido is inefficient in real life are just angry teenagers too stupid to understand its noble phylosophy.
O sensei was not a dancer, anyway
jackalfajack 2 years ago
Jackalfajack I couldn't agree with you more. I've heard a lot of crappy things about aikido that isn't very nice. I keep hearing people say that aikido is all a joke sport. I hate that. They don't understand the noble phylosophy at all.
TheNzuri 2 years ago
I am a judoka, not a practitioner of aikido (I don't know what you call them), but the point is not that someone would actually attack you in this manner. The point is to develop muscle memory. Once that memory is developed, the technique can then be performed from a number of scenarios. If you're not a martial artist, don't try to criticize because you'll only look ignorant.
aequitas189 2 years ago 50
Couldn't agree more.
Btw it's called Aikidoka
dannwe123 2 years ago
@aequitas189 Absolutely! Thank you. It's nice to see someone intelligent posting on youtube.
Khariz555 1 year ago
aequitas189, that's a really hackneyed excuse for why there's so much unrealistic slow motion role playing in traditional martial arts.
People who want to practice boxing or judo or kendo or fencing do so against REALISTIC attacks.
Unrealistic attacks in aikido come from unrealistic attacks in Daitoryu, which come from unrealistic attacks in koryu jujutsu. They are not helpful for self defence. They are merely helpful for learning to play act in classic traditional Japanese MA style.
slapupchrist 1 year ago
@slapupchrist I understand what you're saying, and I'm sure some people are poor martial artists because they never move beyond the "unrealistic slow motion role playing." However, I think you're arguing that there's no place for that in "real" martial arts and, if so, you're wrong. I have also been very successful in competitive Judo, and we drill with these "unrealistic" attacks fairly often.
aequitas189 1 year ago
@aequitas189 they are called aikidoka a used to be a judoka am gonna start on aikido
GOREDORGOHOME1 1 year ago
@aequitas189 a student of aikido is called "aikidoka"
GrendelsWish 1 year ago
@aequitas189 a student of aikido is called "aikidoka"
and you are very correct, but there are those from expertvillage even who demonstrate very well for a beginner's eyes and don't make it seem so contrived
GrendelsWish 1 year ago
@aequitas189 a student of aikido is called "aikidoka"
and you are very correct, but there are those, from expertvillage even, who demonstrate very well for a beginner's eyes and don't make it seem so contrived
GrendelsWish 1 year ago
@aequitas189 i totaly agree cause im an aikido martial artist and u r right
matthewcook100 1 year ago
@aequitas189 i guess its called aikidoka (since karate practicant is karateka ..... judoka kendoka )
TeodorGabriel 1 year ago
@aequitas189 If thats the case, I'll just ask a man to walk towards me with his hands aiming at me, 'like a zombie' and i will wallop him into a pulp, to create muscle memory. Then when people attack you in a completely different manner, your muscle memory will not work. Dun try to criticize those who criticize because it makes u look even more ignorant. We may not be martial artist but we have the basic sense of judgement to see what is practical and what is not.
jackherman00 7 months ago
I wasen't trying to be mean, but having been in use of force situations, if you can't go all out for 30-45 seconds... you're usually done. Cardio conditioning is a big plus, especially if you go to the ground.
kubrick321 2 years ago
Idont know anything about AIKIDO, but who attacks inthat way?
FOREIGNER4ARABS 2 years ago
Well, no one. That was simply a demonstration... Even though it wasn't the best.
FinalKenny2 2 years ago
you dont know about the legendary charging rino plam technique, taught by monks in the mountains of Tibet?
LateKnight347 2 years ago 3
that technique can be used against any straight punch.
cassidy99ful 2 years ago
how about a straight jab
Kirillov 2 years ago
now when youre good if someone throws a straight jab you can do that
Kirillov 2 years ago
I agree... as lame as this video looks he is doing that way for a purpose. If he were to do it full speed any person who is unfamiliar with the technique would have no idea what took place. Any good teacher will demonstrate in a manner that is easy to see and comprehend. Not to mention the title even says its for beginners.
wamhoffjd 2 years ago
dude he only stretches his arm out to give u an idea, that moves works from anything
it works from a punch and knife also if they grab your wrist, its a good move it works well
d4rkmag3rz 2 years ago
I study aikido, I know it works, but attacking with your arm out stretched? No, not realistic. Also his weight is a big issue. Its rare to see a large and HEALTHY person. In a real situation, aikido can be used against 2+ people, but i'm sure he'd, as most men would, find it very difficult to keep his breath and stamina with 2-4 men running at him. Obese senseis do nothing to make aikido a more resped art, martial artists should at least try to keep slim and healthy.
KurtCobain198666 2 years ago
you're talking about those MMA junkies. MMA isn't really a style its a sport. it makes me angry too when someone rags on different martial art forms, and forgetting the fact that those forms are what contribute to MMA in the first place. They confuse fighting with self defense.
masters0alive 2 years ago
Ерунда!
Но уважаю, айкидо всё таки.
2yamato 2 years ago
Jesus Christ sensi... mix a salad in there! Diabetes isn't far behind
kubrick321 2 years ago
lol! i gotta use that one sometime...
masters0alive 2 years ago
He says real time ...(real turtle/slug time)
globalarte 2 years ago
I totally agree. It's a good thing that I've seen this video, now I can defend myself against the retarded...
darkoneize 2 years ago
I like how the Uke performs a very realistic attack that one might expect to see in a real fight... very convincing.
beforebabycheeks 2 years ago
I would like to see this move explained from a real standpoint, never have I seen someone attack by walking forward arm outstretched palm first
Mindsore 2 years ago 2
You got to think back to when aikido was created, I think most of these moves were meant to counter sword attacks. Just look at the way they approach the defender. Either that, or there were zombies roaming around then.
edmundkim123 2 years ago
I have just watched this again and it is really BAD. I have never ever seen an attack from Uke like this. Look at instructors footwork also..SHAMEFUL!!!!
sherman4970 2 years ago 4
I couldn't agree more. It's no wonder all those anti-Aikido muppets write comments like they do watching demonstrations like this... This geezer should go and train with Chiba Sensei for a bit. Get himself sorted out.
ratt6809 2 years ago
This was horribly explained. I cant figure out where his leverage is coming from.
hxckid1988 2 years ago 3
the throw comes from manipulating the wrist and forearm so that Uke has no choice but to take the ukemi. If he tries to resist the wrist and forearm are broken. many ways of making the throw work, easiest way is to fold ukes wrist back towards his own elbow whilst he is stationary, and then you can see his knees buckle; but take real care of him, it should be done slowly and without strength, then you can use him again
ibceastanglia 2 years ago
Is a lesson how we can to take the wrist. UKE moves is slowly for to show to the camara the hands positions.
Eduzenegger 2 years ago
I think it's a good example of how even a pregnated man can defend himself using martial arts... X-)
fmmarzoa 2 years ago 3
yeah... bad example.. except hes teaching.. you can apply the same concept to a punch.. its actually more effective..
ogracderaps 2 years ago
It's not so easy to catch a punch, that usually is thrown and retracted fast. Kote gaeshi is more efective against an enemy who is GRABBING you with, as in such situation you have enough time to catch his hand and execute it.
fmmarzoa 2 years ago
What a pathetic attack by UKE,,,another bad example of AIKIDO!!!
sherman4970 2 years ago
I agree, he is a disgrace to aikido.
bvanhauw 2 years ago
Techniques such as this could not be learned effectively if the "attacker" attacked in an unstylised manner.
Aikido is about principles of movement, which work like building blocks - eventually you reach a point where an opponent's force can be used to great effect because you become more sensitive to their weight distribution and balance.
lolYOULOSTTHEGAMElol 2 years ago
Even my little Brother who plays tennis knows more about Aikido than the Sensei in this film...(Ron Goblin? don`t understand his name)
Bad Demonstration
Simonius900 2 years ago
I don't know if you noticed or not, but it does say for beginners at the top...
sarepthegreat 2 years ago
Haha ron goblin yeah! xD
belgie1964 2 years ago
"YOU SHALL NOT PASS!!!"
steveecker 2 years ago
from lord of the rings, right? but anyways with that technique
"YOU SHALL *snip snip* PASS!!!"
(respond to steveecker)
TheGooberment 2 years ago
Lol yeah, Frankenzombie reminds me of lord of the rings when he charges with his arm out... That, and it reminds me of Tiananmen square when the guy was run over by the tank... That would be the perfect time to voiceover "YOU SHALL NOT PASS" with assorted squishy sound effects, of course... ^_^ They really need to train against different attacks... Unless you're getting attacked by a crippled forklift. (respond to TheGooberment)
steveecker 2 years ago
C'est quoi cette merde !!
O sensei doit se retourner dans sa tombe.
okami6969 2 years ago
its for Beginners zombie ha ha ha
karimjitsu 2 years ago
well begginers move like zombies mate... thats with all beginners
niettevragen 2 years ago
Think the attacker could have been more realistic..... He looked like a Zombie .. -_-
This teqnique can be used if someone trys to push you.
MrGushi 2 years ago 2
this technique can be done from a whole number of different attacks. One of my pet peeves is when certain schools of aikido do not practice techniques from all forms of attacks whether it be a straight punch, push, a haymaker type punch, or shomen uchi. I believe it is better to train for all possible types of attacks
garyfox89 2 years ago 2
Attack of the hall monitor!
genecyten 2 years ago
good Aikido is vicious. you just don't see much of it. Jose Andrade in Florida is good. demos a bit sensational but technique is awesome
captainnaughtypants 2 years ago
Murakisdoll: I am very familiar with this technique and it has 1-3% chance of working. It doesn't matter if you demonstrate it slow or fast. Just have a skilled partner (skilled in striking arts) put on a pair of boxing gloves and jab lightly at you. You will see that he will be able to hit you 9 out of 10 times. Aikido will simply not work. As for its claims of being a samurai art, historically, those claims are erroneous. I have studied history of Martial Arts for years.
MAfanatic 2 years ago
I did not know of anyone claiming that Aikido is a Samurai art. I have always heard that it derived from Daito Ryu which was a Samurai Art.
fishstoneqqq 2 years ago 2
I disagree. Aikido works quite well actually to someone who trains in it well and understands the movements and to the same person who knows when and where to use a certain technique. I know this particular technique and can say it does work when applied properly and in a proper situation. I do agrre however that Aikido did not come directly from the Samurai, that's jujitsu. Aikido does have sword techniques but I believe they were developed after samurais. God bless...Peace
pistol975 2 years ago
what if he doesn't flipp over and he uppercuts u?
Rohan4basu 2 years ago
you may have a broken jaw if you are not fast enough, and he will have a broken wrist.
VVilliV 2 years ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
A lot of Aikido instructors start off fit, but after years of Aikido practice become more out of shape. Most of these techniques are just a waste of time. Good to look at, pretty, but have less than 1% chance of being effective against a non compliant, fully resisting, commited, none telegraphing attacker. 6 months of boxing would get you more self defense knowledge than 6 years of Aikido.
MAfanatic 2 years ago
aikido originated from the samurais who have to fight barehanded because their swords r lost or is too worned from a long battle
aikido is originally meant to throw soldier (with full armors) disarm them and even rip their limbs off
the aikido u see today is displayed in a peaceful and slow motion so that its easier for ppl to see the concept of the technique
Murakisdoll 2 years ago
Why are all Aikido black belts FAT
tgtornado 2 years ago 7
Uh ...that's the outfit, not the person's gut.
030151 2 years ago
Uh ...this was in reference to the question, why are Aikido ranking belts FAT.
BTW, what is that shirt called? ...the lower garment is a hakama, but does the top have a different name? ...or is it hakama too?
030151 2 years ago
What happens if the opponent doesn't make his attack blaringly obvious? This guy walks forward with his hand extended but what if it was a sudden attack, at full speed?
bushwhacker2k 2 years ago
I have commented this before but I can't help myself. This is a multiple dan black belt instructor but his kotegaeshi is badly performed and sloppy. Starting a kotegaeshi with going backwards? No no no no. Control the line, enter, control the uke, apply the wrist lock, apply pin. This is just sad to watch. Depressing.
CaesarRex 2 years ago
How do you get the guy to run up to you with his hand in just the right position?
dlw897 2 years ago 2
You're asking about ancient techniques of distant mind manipulation (there is actually a quack from France, aikidoka, who does mind and chi manipulation). I cannot believe how all these good people can be so brainwashed to think that this is what combat even remotely looks like. If you teach this, you should not be hanging a 'Self Defense' sign at your school doors. Explain that it's an ancient dance like art with no real combat purpose. Very misleading.
MAfanatic 2 years ago
he was only trying to HI FIVE YOU
sz42781 2 years ago 11
Yeah, that sadistic bastard! >:O
bushwhacker2k 2 years ago 3
beautiful dojo.
JumonkanDojo 3 years ago
thats all bullshit the guys jumping for him he aint throwing him....u wanna see real shit watch... "real aikido street fight" a guy in a blue shirt does some real shit
KTomlin20 3 years ago
it's called Ukemi: taking a fall so you don't hurt yourself. Aikido is not about real fighting.
JumonkanDojo 3 years ago
I love these predictable comments.
*Of course* a non-cooperative opponent would not make a cinematic breakfall like this.
Against a resisting opponent, one of two things would most likely happen:
1. the technique does not work at all
2. the opponents gets injured
Neither of this you would want to show in a demonstration. Obviously.
Derukugi2 3 years ago
gota love how the guy jumps to make it look good tuck that gut back into your Gi plz
soulgoul 3 years ago
I love how he purposely flips
LucasCG13 3 years ago
the guy wont actually fall like that in real life though..
kevinisdabestok 3 years ago
Yeah he wont fall, He'll only break off his wrist.
You try it, tell someone to hold your wrist and turn it sideways sharply.
I bet you'll feel a very sweet sensation.
robinlowemi7 3 years ago 2
I dont know much bout Aikido but i do know about Judo and Jujitsu and it looks like the student is jumping into the throw. Not realistic, but a good move.
jerseyboyforlife 3 years ago
yes, when your practicing (preferably somewhere with soft floors) and you're the "agressor" you are supposed to jump into the throws so you dont land wrong and seriusly hurt yourself. but in real use against someone trying to hurt you, roughly flipping someone whjo doesnt know how to fall on concrete will seriusly mess them up
clubby9806 3 years ago
The student is jumping to avoid injury to the wrist. If a person gets you in that lock position, I guarantee you will feel intense pain and the only way to get out of it is by jumping like that student.
In a actual combat situation, if the opponent does not jump over on his own on time, I guarantee you that the wrist will be broken.
ykltc 3 years ago 3
how is that real time? haha
jetsrule23x3 3 years ago
Honeslty some people give Akido a bad name, U can't really say that Aikido sucks until u learn the teckniques abouve a yellow belt and have a better judgement, but even though, by that time, u would have learned that Akido rules and it's one of the best Martial Arts there is. Ps. Just make shure u have a good instructor. ;)
catmaster17 3 years ago
This video is what happens when you learn Aikido from a videotape, and then make a video out of what you learned.
shihonage 3 years ago
that is truemutazz988
p0n1r0s 3 years ago
That "real time" i admit looks funny no offence
EakoJeOvoZauzeto 3 years ago 2
nobody attacks like that in real life !
Mutazz988 3 years ago 3