Abraham (Ibrahim) have 2 son of name Ishmael (Ismail) and Isaac (Ishak) are brothers. So Arabs and Jews are brothers. All the people in the world are brothers. Islam is new generation religion. Because lastest prophet is Mohamed (Muhammed).
i really dont know what tourah they talkin about !!! i challenge every one who knows when this tourah have been revealed and when its written !!!!!
for jews and christians ill just say coz they dont touch you this things in the church !
my dear brothers ppl of the book ! the tourah have been revealed to moses hile he was in egypt by the hirughlific language and he original text is lost what you have now is text written after 800 years when the jew return from babilon after the slavery woke up !!
listen, Ishmael was abraham son, that said in the bible, but he born because Abraham didn't have strong faith on God. God already told Abraham and Sarah that they will have a son, and he only accepted the jewish one. Ishmael was born from abraham and sara's slave, shes egyptian, not jewish. For that reason, Isac was the promised son.Many islamic leader just said that christian was wrong because the bible didnt accept ismael as abraham son. wrong, the bible accepted him but not the promise son 1
lol according to ur bible god promised hagar to make her son into a great nation :
GENESIS17 :20 « “And as for Ishmael, I have heard you: I will surely bless him; I will make him fruitful and will greatly increase his numbers. He will be the father of twelve rulers, and I will make him into a great nation”
some version of bible denied this but others claimed it...bible has been changed and beeing funny now lol
Gen 16:15 So Hagar bore Abram a son; and Abram named his son, whom Hagar bore Ishmael. Abram was eighty-six years old when Hagar bore Ishmael to Abram.
Gen 21:5 Now Abraham was one hundred years old when his son Isaac was born to him.
After God changed Abram's name to Abraham his wife Sarah bore Isaac. Please read Gen 17.
You are mistaken. Isaac was the one God chose for Abraham. God PROMISED A child to Abraham and Sarah. It was their lack of faith that god would fufill this promise that led to Ishmael being born. Sarah feared she wouldnt be able to have a child because she was "barren". She then offered her bondservent Hagar to Abraham to have his child(ishmael). Later God came through and gave Sarah and Abraham another Child(Isaac).
@SeedOfTruth777 So basically god promised a son and gave them Ismail (first born). The rest of your comment was conjecture. The amount of different stories ive heard from Christians and jews regarding how isaac is the chosen one is amazing. Not even the Warner Brothers can come up with that many episodes of Bugs Bunny.
I just stumbled across your video, and I have to say that this argument was been refuted in the past. The Hebrew word yāḥîḏ (יָחִיד) could also translate as "unique". The Hebrew Bible teaches that Isaac is the son that YHWH ordered Abraham to sacrifice, and many centuries later, Islam comes around and gives its own spin on the story. This is regardless of whether either version is true. The problem is, some Muslims take verses from the Hebrew Bible out of context.
because of a divine instruction given to Abraham as a part of God's plan. Hagar ran seven times between two hills, Safa and Marwa, looking for water. This is the origin of one of the rituals that is performed during the pilgrimage to Makkah. The well of water mentioned in Genesis 21:19 is still present and is known as called Zamzam.
It is related that a renowned traditionalist of Jewish origin, from the Qurayza tribe, and another Jewish scholar, who converted to Islam, told that Caliph Omar Ibn 'Abd al-Aziz that the Jews were well informed that Ismail was the one who was bound, but that they concealed this out of jealousy.
The Muslim legend also adds details of Hajar, the mother of Ismail. After Abraham drove her and her son out, she wandered between the hills of al-Safa and al-Marwa (in the vicinity of Mecca) in search for water. At that time the waters of the spring Zemzem began to flow. Her acts became the basis for the hallowed custom of Muslims during the Hajj.
" Islam does not deny God's blessings on Isaac and his descendants, but the son of promise is Ishmael, from whom arose Muhammad as the seal of the prophets.
"I will make him a great nation" has been repeated twice for Ishmael in Genesis 17:20 and Genesis 16:10: "And the angel of the Lord said unto her [Hager]: 'I will multiply thy seed exceedingly, that it shall not be numbered for multitude."'
Do not try to make excesses , I have searched many versions of the bible and all of them the word (yāḥîḏ (יָחִיד))was translated to only. not unique as you claimed.
But God has preserved this word to show people the truth .only people whom seeking the truth will be guided to it.
"But those who reject the Light of Truth are obstinate. Why should they persist in Evil ways when the Clear evidence has come before them? The straight Religion is Simple: to adore with a pure heart, The God of Truth, to draw near to Him in sincere prayer and to serve our fellow creatures in charity and love. To do anything else is to fall from Grace"
I'm interested in getting to the bottom of things and learning the truth. The problem with you saying what you said is that you're making it sound as if you're giving clear, solid evidence and that I'm rejecting it. I simply disagree with you, because I see errors in what you're saying.
Essentially, I believe that Musilms are entitled to being Muslims. They believe they have the truth. Christians believe they have the truth. I just want to find the answers my own way.
If I wanted to learn what the context of certain verses from the Qurʾān mean, wouldn't it make sense for me to go to a learned Muslim? Likewise, wouldn't it make sense to go to a learned Jew to understand the context of verses in the Hebrew Bible?
I don't see many Muslims using this kind of consistency. Instead, I see Muslims reading the texts of the Hebrew Bible through Muslim lenses just like how Christians read it through Christian lenses.
Moriah :(The chosen of Jehovah. Some contend that Mount Gerizim is meant, but most probably we are to regard this as one of the hills of Jerusalem)
So where is Moriah region exactly? no body knows ,I think it is (Al Marwa )which is mentioned in the Quran because the similarity of their pronunciations .
@salam752 it creally says his only son... this vd proofs u wrong... "his only son" Wow no wonder guys guys r off... its right in front of u.. Keep ur comment.... Ya YA.. i know... ur right.
I know that Islam doesn't deny blessings on Isaac and his descendants, but at the same time, there is that sense of enmity amongst his descendants in that they are seen as wicked people who corrupt revelations given to them and kill their prophets.
As for Muḥammad, this is a matter of different beliefs. Muslims believe that he is the seal of the prophets, but Judaism has a criteria for prophethood mentioned in the Torah, criteria that he does not meet.
The Muslim legend is more or less a spin on the Jewish story of Hagar in search of water. Both versions could very well be false in that Hagar might not even be a historical figure.
Of course, I can't prove any of those things, but I have noticed parallels between Muslim beliefs and Christian beliefs, ones whose origins can be shown to be derived from misunderstandings.
We believe in Jesus peace be upon him and we do honer him and his mother actually we muslims combined the benefits of all religions , Judaism is a tough religion, christianity is easy going and we are moderate in between .
The Quran has mentioned the name of Ishmael and I have posted many articles in the description sections about that and there is a video in my video list titled(The Sacrificed-Ishmael ) telling the story of Ishmael according to islam.
to conform my last comments about Isaac or Ishmael is not recognized in the quran and not even in hadith, watch video [Who was sacrificed, Ishmael or Isaac] at youtube
Actually this video has refuted the video you have mentioned , the articles in the description section are very clear but I do not think you have read them , that is the problem when you do not read the description section.
We believe in Jesus peace be upon him and we do honer him and his mother actually we muslims combined the benefits of all religions , Judaism is a tough religion, christianity is easy going and we are moderate in between .
The Quran never says do not take jews and Christians as friends ,The word 'friends' was not used in the quran . The Arabic word is ( Awlia'), which could mean 'masters' or 'guardians'. Therefore, it is not prohibited for a Muslim to be good to Jews & Christians. Allah (s.w.t.) says in Surah Al-Mumtahna (60), verse (8): '' Allah does not forbid you, with regard to those who did not fight you for your faith nor drive you out of your homes, cont
Allah (s.w.t.) says in Surah Al-Mumtahna (60), verse (8): '' Allah does not forbid you, with regard to those who did not fight you for your faith nor drive you out of your homes)
The verse is talking about The punishment that will be applied in the enemies of Islam and it was due to the mischief that the enemies of Islam were committing on the Muslims. This was a death sentence to those who were raping the Muslim women and children. That is what is referred to here as mischief in the land. This has nothing to do with Christians, Jews, or any one of any faith.
You need to read the verse in context and know the "occasion of revelation") of each verse.
verse 9:5 says(Then, when the sacred months have passed, slay the idolaters wherever ye find them, and take them (captive), and besiege them, and prepare for them each ambush. But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor-due, then leave their way free. Lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.)
To salam 752. You said you believe in Jesus but your allah commands to kill them. allah says in quran: Trinitarians are blasphemers 5:73, kill blasphemers anywhere you find 4:89 Dont take the blasphemers as friends 3:28 Crucify or cut hands & feet that fight with Allah & his prophet 5:33 Fight them, allah torturing them trough your hands 9:14 Slay the necks of the unbelievers, and if you die, you will inherit paradise 47:4 to 6
Typical christian, when he cant reply hands down and change the subject.
My Allah doesn't command me to kill Jesus nor his followers .
vers 5:73 doesn't say kill blasphemers as you claim liar ,lying wouldn't help you at all ,it only shows how ignorant and twister you are as most of paul followers .
verse 5:73(They surely disbelieve who say: Lo! Allah is the third of three; when there is no Allah save the One Allah. If they desist not from so saying a painful doom will fall on those of them who disbelieve).
I have videos in my video list explain these quranic verse its title:
(Jihad's meaning & misunderstood Quranic text )and there are other videos in brother (MuhaddithDotOrg )account which already exposed your missionaries mistranslation of these verse its title:
Lets read one of the verse you have mentioned in context : verse:5:33 says:(The only reward of those who make war upon Allah and His messenger and strive after corruption in the land will be that they will be killed or crucified, or have their hands and feet on alternate sides cut off, or will be expelled out of the land. Such will be their degradation in the world, and in the Hereafter theirs will be an awful doom)
where is the words christians or jews in this verse?
Meaning: so when the grace period (4 months) is past, and if the other party insists on fighting Islam, then a state of war is inevitable. The struggle may take the form of killing, or capture and imprisonment, or just keeping an eye on these enemies to fend off their evil if they decide to launch an offensive against Muslims. The punishment should be fair and just and, thus, must be proportional to the crimes actually committed. Not only this, but the pagans can repent and accept Islam
I do not have time to respond on a very old arguments which have already been refuted many times on YT and in many ISLAMIC WEB SITES.
if you want to learn about islam learn about it from its sources not from islamophobes sources , if you want to stay ignorant blind then sorry my time is precious and I wont wast it with brain washed people,
there are many websites in my profile where you can read about islam .
quran never mentioned the name of sacrificial son. The following verse allah announce Isaac name as prophet. The book of hadith said: I dont know which son was sacrificed. Actually Mohamed copied wrong information from the Torah; therefore, it shows that most of the qurans passages are similar to the Torah, especially the violent ones. It sounds like two lazy students that never studied for their exam, one of them copied from the other, and therefore, both failed.
You should tell us where was that translated copy that he copied from , according to thehistorical authority , there
was not any translated copy in the time of the prophet Mohammed or even long after his death?
as for the violent verses in the OT and in the NT , you believe that Jesus is God or his son so these bloody orders were from him to his prophets or at least they were with his approval.
you wont find a single verse in the Quran orders us to kill women & kids etc as those in the bible
Arabs are the half brothers of JEWS. Why are Arabs always at war with them? If Arabs and Jews understood this and if Arabs would simply see that the Abrahamic Covenant was with Isaac and NOT Ishmael, the region of Palistine/Israel would be peaceful. STOP hating your brothers the Jews. Read Genesis 16:9-12 and tell me this discription does not sound like the Arab nation. If you are honest, you will see that Arabs do not get along with their own families, let alone the entire Earth. PEACE!
I truly cannot believe how deceived Muslims are. This has ALWAYS been about WHEN these events happened. 1, if the Jews "corrupted" the Bible, then why didn't they fix this problem? 2, You hang all understanding on this issue on 3 sentences? You are overlooking the FACT that Ishmael was conceived out of WEDLOCK with the maiden NOT the wife. The promise between God/Allah was the JEWISH line. Issac WAS the "only son" and the heir to the covenent between God/Allah and Abraham.
genesis 16:3 So, after Abram had dwelt ten years in the land of Canaan, Sar'ai, Abram's wife, took Hagar the Egyptian, her maid, and gave her to Abram her husband as a wife. i think you are overlooking something mate. Ashshahadu an la ilaha ill allah wa ashshahadu anna muhammadur rasulullah
Brother..you missed it. Sar'ai was his first wife. The mother of Ishmael was a mistress and did not qualify as the heir to Abram's estate nor his family seed promised by God. SIN was the reason Abram slept with the maidservant and conceived a child out of wedlock. Abram only had 1 wife and many concubines. If Abram would have been patient with God and His promise, Ishmael would never had been born and we wouldn't be having this conversation...nor would you exist. Think about it.
Brother.. i think that it is you who missed it. Did not YOUR OWN bible tell in Genesis 16:3 that Sarai 'gave her to Abram her husband as a WIFE'. Read again.. your bible says wife, not mistress. Or are you going to deny your own bible? And here's another verse in your bible that you should read.
For you to say that Ishmael (AS) was conceived out of wedlock, is to say that Abraham (AS) committed adultery.
So, either God made a covenant with an adulterer, OR Ishmael (AS) was a legitimate son. AND on top of that, God then promises that a great nation would rise from this illegitimate child?
Either you're fooling yourself, or you're insulting God and His Prophets. Ur choice.
''Actually glad tidings were given to prophet Ibruheem about finally having a son (prophet Isma'eel, since he's the older one)
Prophet ismael?
lets see what the scholars have too say about the identity of this son.
They said, Do not be afraid; lo!, we, are the messengers of your Lord [sent to], give you good tidings of a knowledgeable boy, one very knowledgeable [boy], namely, Isaac — as we mentioned in sūrat Hūd [Q. 11:69].
let m show you your ignorance ,Hūd [Q. 11:69].(Sura 11:69-73 There came Our Messengers to Abraham with glad tidings. They said "Peace!" He answered "Peace!" and hastened to entertain them with a roasted calf. But when he saw their hands went not towards the (meal) he felt some mistrust of them and conceived a fear of them. They said: )cont6
cont6(Fear not: we have been sent against the people of Lut." And his wife was standing (there) and she laughed: but We gave her glad tidings of Isaac and after him of Jacob. She said: "Alas for me! Shall I bear a child seeing I am an old woman and my husband here is an old man? That would indeed be a wonderful thing!" They said: "Dost thou wonder at Allah's decree? The grace of Allah and His blessings on you O ye people of the house! for He is indeed worthy of all praise full of all glory!"
In the above mentioned verse from the Qur'an(11:96) there is no mention of God's Covenant (the promise made by God), that "agrees" with the one that we have seen in the Biblical Text.
IF for you the "God's promise" or "Good News" for the "birth of Isaac" was the most important thing for Abraham then what about the "God's promise" to Abraham for Ishmael (who was already offered for Sacrifice),
Genesis 17:20( And as for Ishmael, I have heard thee: Behold, I have blessed him, and will make him fruitful, and will multiply him exceedingly; twelve princes shall he beget, and I will make him a great nation)There are nearly 25 million Jews (the so called descendants of Isaac), upon this earth, whereas the number for those who have entered Islam - a great nation established by the descendant of Ishmael, cnt8
prophet Muhammad upon the authority of God's Revelations is nearly 1.2 billion. This conclusively proves that Islam is the Great Nation that was PROMISED to Abraham through Ishmael. Unfortunately, you simply brush aside this GREAT PROMISE for a GREAT NATION and keep on harping; "Ishmael was never a promised child". Hence, Ishmael was not fit for the offering. Hence, we all should accept that Isaac was the "ONLY SON"of Abraham.
Islamophilic,Let me also show you your ignorance on the Quranic scripture.
you said and I Quote
(Actually glad tidings were given to prophet Ibruheem about finally having a son (prophet Isma'eel, since he's the older one) in the Qur'an. Read 15:53, 37:101, & 51:28)
They said: Be not afraid, surely we give you the good news of a boy, possessing knowledge.-15;53
My Lord! Vouchsafe me of the righteous. So We gave him tidings of a gentle son. And when his son was old enough to walk with him, Abraham said: 0 my dear son, I have seen in a dream that I must sacrifice thee". (Surah 37.100-102).
So he conceived in his mind a fear on account of them. They said: Fear not. And they gave him the good news of a boy possessing knowledge.-51;28
So we see from the verses you Quoted that Ibraham was given tidings of a son(which son)the quran tells us that only 1 son of his ,namely Izaak,Was givin tidings at his birth. We can read that in
you claim that the Qur'an agrees with the Bible is FALSE, DECEPTIVE and MISLEADING.
The Bible speaks of God making an"Everlasting Covenant" whereas, the verses of the Quran do not speak of Allah making any kind of Covenant. here is the entire verse of(37:99-112)cont1
cont2((99. And he said: "Verily, I am going to my Lord. He will guide me!'' (100. "My Lord! Grant me (offspring) from the righteous.'') . So, We gave him the glad tidings of a forbearing boy.) (. And, when he (his son) was old enough to walk with him, he said: "O my son! I have seen in a dream that I am slaughtering you. So look what you think!'' cont3
cont3(He said: "O my father! Do that which you are commanded, if Allah wills, you shall find me of the patient.'') (103. Then, when they had both submitted themselves, and he had laid him prostrate on his forehead;) (104. We called out to him: "O Ibrahim!'') . "You have fulfilled the dream!'' Verily, thus do We reward the doers of good.) (106. Verily, that indeed was a manifest trial.) (. And We ransomed him with a great sacrifice;)
cont4((. And We left for him among the later generations.) ( "Salam (peace!) be upon Ibrahim!'') . Thus indeed do We reward the doers of good(111. Verily, he was one of Our believing servants.) And We gave him the glad tidings of Ishaq a Prophet from the righteous.) We blessed him and Ishaq. And of their progeny are (some) that do right, and some that plainly wrong themselves.)
This verse you have quoted and didnt complete it clearly shows that glad tidings of the birth of Isaac were given to Abraham after he had already offered his first born son for sacrifice.
In other words, So We gave him the glad tiding of a forbearing boy, and all that has been narrated after this verse refer to Ishmael)if you are ignorant in your bible hen don't come to the holy quran
My Lord! Vouchsafe me of the righteous. So We gave him tidings of a gentle son. And when his son was old enough to walk with him, Abraham said: 0 my dear son, I have seen in a dream that I must sacrifice thee". (Surah 37.100-102).
So We gave him tidings of a gentle son>>>IZAAK
This vers tells us that the son who was givin tidings(IZAAK) at births was ment too be sacrifice.
let me again show you your ignorants and miscomprehention of the Holy text.I will answer you trough different ways..let me first remind you of a Qur'anic way of looking at a similar question of "son" or "not son".
Exactly. God said that he is NOT his son since he was a sinful non-believer (since being "a son" of a prophet is by good deeds, not blood). We're still waiting for a similar Biblical evidence which disowns Ishmael.
On the contrary, all we find are verses (of which 5 are shown) which prove that the Bible acknowledges this sonship perfectly.
One of Noah's sons dies in the Flood in contradiction to 21:76 which states that 46 when Allah replies to Noah in regard to exactly this complaint that he has not saved his son.
"O Noah! He is not of thy family: For his conduct is unrighteous.
So ask not of Me that of which though Hast no knowledge!"
So, we see that this problem is solved by "divine exclusion" and the Qur'an even admitts that this can be something rather
difficult to comprehend for normal human beings, even for the prophet of God, Noah
I would like to ask, if you can accept that God "excludes" one who is (physically) a son from being (properly) a son "in a certain respect" or in relationship to a certain purpose. If you can accept that God is free to declare so, then I hope you will be able to accept a similar statement in the Bible, when God talks to Abraham in this way in Genesis 22.
Then you continue in going too the circumzision and which this (in your own interpretation) implies,again I have too show you your ignorants on the scripture.(gen 17)
Ishmael is recognized as a son of Abraham (v.26) and they are circumcised together, however that does not make Ishmael the heir of the covenant any more than the male slaves in Abraham's household who were circumcised with him as well (v.27).
After Sarah's death, Abraham takes another wife, Keturah
and God greatly blesses him also with many more children from her and possibly further concubines (Gen. 25:6).
However, he leaves all he owns to Isaac (Gen. 25:5) and after giving gifts to the other sons, he sends them away just as Ishmael was sent away earlier (Gen. 21). After the death of Abraham God continues to honor the
The two sentences after the "but" in verse 19 and 21 make this unambiguously clear. Only Isaac, the son of promise, inherits the covenant and Ishmael does not. However, Ishmael is not forgotten and has a promise of God's blessing
Like I said the .the bible is written in chronological order.Ismael wasnt present at the time of the sacrifice(he was already sent away)and So the only 1 there was Izaak.I already explained you the only son meaning.
No, by default "only son" means "only son". If you claim that simply not having a covenant with God or being sent away means he's no longer a son then you STILL need Biblical evidence to prove it.
But let me take your standerds and dont worry about context or chronology of scripture.If 1 does that he can argue that the Quran admits that it was infacts izaak who was ment too be sacrificed.
"And we gave him tidings of the birth of Isaac, a Prophet of the righteous". (Surah 37.112).
"And We gave him tidings of the birth of Isaac, a Prophet of the righteous. And We blessed him and Isaac". (Surah 37.112-113).
In the Quran tidings are ONLY given at the birth of Izaak and not for ismael. Now lets read on:
My Lord! Vouchsafe me of the righteous. So We gave him tidings of a gentle son. And when his son was old enough to walk with him, Abraham said: 0 my dear son, I have seen in a dream that I must sacrifice thee". (Surah 37.100-102).
This vers is reffering too the son of tidings(i.e izaak) who was ment too be sacraficed
Actually glad tidings were given to prophet Ibruheem about finally having a son (prophet Isma'eel, since he's the older one) in the Qur'an. Read 15:53, 37:101, & 51:28.
let me pick up the challenge and refute this weak claim of yours,first of all the bible is written in chronologic order.we read gen 21 vers 14-16 that abraham send Hager and ismael AWAY.Then we read in chapter 22(after abraham sent ismael away)that he must take his only son,Isaak, and sacrifice him...So the event happend after ismael was already sent away!!
Moreover the only sons is a refference of the promise Son.The Only son the was promised and deliverd By God.imael was born afer the flesh
rafael4christ, actually you refuted nothing gen 22(Take your son, your only son, Isaac, whom you love,)proves that the Jewish scribes because of vanity, switched the names;the second part of your comment It has b already been refuted in this video ,again,Genesis 17:10 This [is] my covenant, which ye shall keep, between me and you and thy seed after thee; Every man child among you shall be circumcised.
2-notice gen 17:10-13 states that The covenant was first made with Abraham and Ishmael;Genesis 16:16 "and Abram [is] a son of eighty and six years in Hagar's bearing Ishmael to Abram."Who's son? Abraham's "son". Now as far as the sacrifice is concerned,
Genesis 17:24 "Abraham was ninety-nine years old when he was circumcised in the flesh of his foreskin)That makes Abraham's son Ishmael 13,
Genesis 21:5 "Abraham was a hundred years old when his son Isaac was born to him."
that means during the circumcision/sacrifice, Abraham's only "begotten" son is Ishmael and not Isaac as the Bible says.Therefore we see that Isaac was not the only son, as a matter of fact, Isaac was not even born yet and Abraham's Only begotten son was Ishmael
lets assume that Ishmael was in another country as you said, this doesn't mean that Abraham had one son or Abraham loved Isacc more than Ishmael ,the phrase (your only son whom you love)proves with out any doubt that the Jews have inserted the name of Isaac in place of Ishmael to cut off the relationship of Muhammad with Arabia and his great ancestor Abraham but in spite of this tampering the Bible contains passages which still point to Ishmael as the son offered for sacrifice1
read the same biblical verse which you posed it gen:21-and 22. Abrahm was asked to sacrifice his only son which means that at that time he had no other son. The fact that this could only that at that time he had no other son. The fact that this could only Ishmael (sws) is evident from the following two passages of the Bible: (Genesis, 16:16)(Genesis, 21:5)
Ishmael (sws) was fourteen years old at the birth of Isaac (sws), and must have been offered for sacrifice before Isaac (sws) was born because Abraham (sws) had been asked to sacrifice his only son; after Isaacs birth of course the words your only son would be totally inappropriate and against reality.the word Isaac mentioned in the passage of gen(21-14 ) was inserted in place of Ishmael (sws)
Hold on, before we get technical with it. You followers of Muhammad still need to answer 1 qestion before you have the rights to ask questions.
Where is the proof that Islam existed before Muhammad. Why are you calling Jesus, Moses, and other people Muslims when its a fact that Islam is based on Muhammad not Allah.
Ugh. I thought we answered this question enough for every inhabitant of this planet to read the answer like 8 times.
There goes one more: "Muslim" = "Submitter" in Arabic. Moses, Jesus, Abraham, David, and ALL prophets were submitters to God. Doesn't need to mean "A follower of prophet Muhammad who prays 5 times/day and fasts Rumudan etc"
That was interesting. I'm atheist so not taking sides, but I have questions for both. The older part of the Bible was written before Islam came about, so did the Jews really choose Isaac to call themselves superior to Arabs? Or did the Quran come later and then Arabs claimed it was Ishmael to call themselves superior to the Jews? Also if Muhammed (pbuh) had a lot of contact with Judeo-Christians, could his memory of the Bible have been confused? Or was Allah correcting the mistake?
It's been proven that the (current) Bible doesn't make sense Mariko. Not just by this vid, this vid is NOTHING when you see others like the debates of late Ahmad Deedat (here on youtube also).
What's worse, the church declared in 2005 that believers shouldn't "expect total accuracy" when reading it!!
As for the Qur'an, we've got some 25 scientific proofs of its validity so far. Check my channel if you'd like to see them :)
Thanks, I'll definitely look at some of those videos. I know the Bible doesn't make sense, I'm an ex-Catholic, as a child I was lead to believe it was all rainbows and Noah's Ark. I like the idea of the Qur'an, that it should always be kept in Arabic and reproduced accurately, it's only the origins that I doubt. I sure am interested in what these proofs are. Also, it depends which Church you ask about the Bible, the Catholics will say it's not literal, but fundamentalists are a different story.
I also added a couple of favorites about Catholics (one of them was/wanted to be a missionary!) converting to Islam and saying the reasons. I'm not talking about the BIG ones like Yusuf Estes, just "normal" people.
I think the reason many Christians are escaping to Atheism is the degree of corruption in the Bible. They also don't consider Islam because the media has done an excellent job portraying Muslims as savages/terrorists/sexists etc. So they feel stuck between Bible & Darwin.
Cool, I'll check them out when I find me some more time o_O lol. Is that the guy who got stuck in the ocean and prayed that if he got saved, he'd devote himself to God? Can't remember his English name, Cat something? lol, cat.
True about the media. Although also, atheist activists are popping up more and more. It's hard to be religious with science. Some people are also turning Buddhist, although with distorted perceptions of it.
Cat Stevens maybe? He was a singer. Yusuf Estes was a preacher but he met a Muslim guy and was later convinced with Islam, so he and his wife converted form hardline Xians to hardline Muslims :)
For Muslims it isn't hard to be religious with Science, it's almost the other way around since we DEPEND on Science to prove our religion. Buddhism is cool but totally unrealistic in its teachings.
Anyway send me a msg when you have watched the Scientific Miracles stuff, & read the skeptic comments! :)
lol...this the first time I post a comment on the 1st page
anyway, the christians about this topic are very blind!!
some C dude says "We are cursed by Islam and the bastard seed of Hagar, There was ONLY ONE SON promised to Sarah and Abraham. This son was born and name ISAAC!!!
he even said ISHMAEL WAS NOT A LEGITIMATE SON!! O0
so he just made isaac the 1st born..LOL
therefor he will make lies as much as he can to put his BLIND FAITH ...man i can't stand these guys.
even more..that guy want 2 belive what he's calling FACTS about this:
"ISAAC was the son of Sarah, the wife who Abraham LOVED. ISHMAEL was the son of a servant Hagar, who Abraham only 'used' to conceive a child. WHICH OF THE TWO OF THESE DO YOU THINK ABRAHAM WOULD LOVE MOST?"
what the...
did he just said Hagar, who Abraham only 'used' to conceive a child?
didn't abraham (married) hagar to conceive a child...therefor ishmael IS A LEGITIMATE SON
even more,he asking me to B HONEST...will then let's how HONEST he is..
he says "Abraham would have LOVED ISAAC MORE THAN ISHMAEL! Now let us consider what God asked Abraham to sacrifice not even just any son, but HIS FIRST BORN SON! - Why first? - because God knows that the first born child is often special to you, but in scripture when the word 'FIRST' is used it infers 'BEST'!"
how honest u r, who was FIRST BORN SON?
& he's corrupting the meaning of FIRST and made it as BEST....joooke lol
But the problem i see now is Muslim reading jewish and christians scripture and they don't really read and understand quran.
In Quran you will find many stories contradicting biblical stories, and everyone i examined myself I saw clearly quran is the accurate.
I believe in Torah that sent to Moses, but I validate it by Quran, Quran was sent for us to exposed all fabrications, the biggest one is the fabrications against Jesus by Romans and rabbis.
Abraham (Ibrahim) have 2 son of name Ishmael (Ismail) and Isaac (Ishak) are brothers. So Arabs and Jews are brothers. All the people in the world are brothers. Islam is new generation religion. Because lastest prophet is Mohamed (Muhammed).
umuteker 5 months ago
i really dont know what tourah they talkin about !!! i challenge every one who knows when this tourah have been revealed and when its written !!!!!
for jews and christians ill just say coz they dont touch you this things in the church !
my dear brothers ppl of the book ! the tourah have been revealed to moses hile he was in egypt by the hirughlific language and he original text is lost what you have now is text written after 800 years when the jew return from babilon after the slavery woke up !!
deviladvocate100 1 year ago
listen, Ishmael was abraham son, that said in the bible, but he born because Abraham didn't have strong faith on God. God already told Abraham and Sarah that they will have a son, and he only accepted the jewish one. Ishmael was born from abraham and sara's slave, shes egyptian, not jewish. For that reason, Isac was the promised son.Many islamic leader just said that christian was wrong because the bible didnt accept ismael as abraham son. wrong, the bible accepted him but not the promise son 1
bogellenong 1 year ago
@bogellenong stray sheep in Ibrahim , Ishmael , Isaac time
there is no shit was called Jews yet !
pulman7 1 year ago
@bogellenong
lol according to ur bible god promised hagar to make her son into a great nation :
GENESIS17 :20 « “And as for Ishmael, I have heard you: I will surely bless him; I will make him fruitful and will greatly increase his numbers. He will be the father of twelve rulers, and I will make him into a great nation”
some version of bible denied this but others claimed it...bible has been changed and beeing funny now lol
cheker102 1 year ago
Gen 16:15 So Hagar bore Abram a son; and Abram named his son, whom Hagar bore Ishmael. Abram was eighty-six years old when Hagar bore Ishmael to Abram.
Gen 21:5 Now Abraham was one hundred years old when his son Isaac was born to him.
After God changed Abram's name to Abraham his wife Sarah bore Isaac. Please read Gen 17.
tattoola 1 year ago
You are mistaken. Isaac was the one God chose for Abraham. God PROMISED A child to Abraham and Sarah. It was their lack of faith that god would fufill this promise that led to Ishmael being born. Sarah feared she wouldnt be able to have a child because she was "barren". She then offered her bondservent Hagar to Abraham to have his child(ishmael). Later God came through and gave Sarah and Abraham another Child(Isaac).
SeedOfTruth777 1 year ago
@SeedOfTruth777 So basically god promised a son and gave them Ismail (first born). The rest of your comment was conjecture. The amount of different stories ive heard from Christians and jews regarding how isaac is the chosen one is amazing. Not even the Warner Brothers can come up with that many episodes of Bugs Bunny.
lalamusa1 1 year ago
I just stumbled across your video, and I have to say that this argument was been refuted in the past. The Hebrew word yāḥîḏ (יָחִיד) could also translate as "unique". The Hebrew Bible teaches that Isaac is the son that YHWH ordered Abraham to sacrifice, and many centuries later, Islam comes around and gives its own spin on the story. This is regardless of whether either version is true. The problem is, some Muslims take verses from the Hebrew Bible out of context.
SubZero7th 2 years ago
SubZero7th;
I do not know really who takes verses out of context?is it muslims or christian missionaries.
first of all:
the verse says( 2And he said, Take now thy son, thine only son Isaac, whom thou lovest, and get thee into the region of Moriah; ..)Genesis22
there is a similarity between (Moriah and Al marwa in Makkah which is called called Paran in the Bible (Genesis 21:21),
cont.
salam752 2 years ago
because of a divine instruction given to Abraham as a part of God's plan. Hagar ran seven times between two hills, Safa and Marwa, looking for water. This is the origin of one of the rituals that is performed during the pilgrimage to Makkah. The well of water mentioned in Genesis 21:19 is still present and is known as called Zamzam.
cont
salam752 2 years ago
Encyclopaedia Judaica, Volume 9, Encyclopaedia Judaica Jerusalem, pp. 82 (Under 'Ishmael') says:
It is related that a renowned traditionalist of Jewish origin, from the Qurayza tribe, and another Jewish scholar, who converted to Islam, told that Caliph Omar Ibn 'Abd al-Aziz that the Jews were well informed that Ismail was the one who was bound, but that they concealed this out of jealousy.
salam752 2 years ago
The Muslim legend also adds details of Hajar, the mother of Ismail. After Abraham drove her and her son out, she wandered between the hills of al-Safa and al-Marwa (in the vicinity of Mecca) in search for water. At that time the waters of the spring Zemzem began to flow. Her acts became the basis for the hallowed custom of Muslims during the Hajj.
salam752 2 years ago
" Islam does not deny God's blessings on Isaac and his descendants, but the son of promise is Ishmael, from whom arose Muhammad as the seal of the prophets.
The name Ishmael was chosen by Allah Himself:
Genesis 16:11 and
"I will make him a great nation" has been repeated twice for Ishmael in Genesis 17:20 and Genesis 16:10: "And the angel of the Lord said unto her [Hager]: 'I will multiply thy seed exceedingly, that it shall not be numbered for multitude."'
Genesis 17:20:
Genesis 21:13
salam752 2 years ago
Do not try to make excesses , I have searched many versions of the bible and all of them the word (yāḥîḏ (יָחִיד))was translated to only. not unique as you claimed.
But God has preserved this word to show people the truth .only people whom seeking the truth will be guided to it.
salam752 2 years ago
"But those who reject the Light of Truth are obstinate. Why should they persist in Evil ways when the Clear evidence has come before them? The straight Religion is Simple: to adore with a pure heart, The God of Truth, to draw near to Him in sincere prayer and to serve our fellow creatures in charity and love. To do anything else is to fall from Grace"
salam752 2 years ago
I'm interested in getting to the bottom of things and learning the truth. The problem with you saying what you said is that you're making it sound as if you're giving clear, solid evidence and that I'm rejecting it. I simply disagree with you, because I see errors in what you're saying.
Essentially, I believe that Musilms are entitled to being Muslims. They believe they have the truth. Christians believe they have the truth. I just want to find the answers my own way.
SubZero7th 2 years ago
If I wanted to learn what the context of certain verses from the Qurʾān mean, wouldn't it make sense for me to go to a learned Muslim? Likewise, wouldn't it make sense to go to a learned Jew to understand the context of verses in the Hebrew Bible?
I don't see many Muslims using this kind of consistency. Instead, I see Muslims reading the texts of the Hebrew Bible through Muslim lenses just like how Christians read it through Christian lenses.
SubZero7th 2 years ago
According to :Interpretative dictionary:
Moriah :(The chosen of Jehovah. Some contend that Mount Gerizim is meant, but most probably we are to regard this as one of the hills of Jerusalem)
So where is Moriah region exactly? no body knows ,I think it is (Al Marwa )which is mentioned in the Quran because the similarity of their pronunciations .
salam752 2 years ago
@salam752 it creally says his only son... this vd proofs u wrong... "his only son" Wow no wonder guys guys r off... its right in front of u.. Keep ur comment.... Ya YA.. i know... ur right.
crazycheetha 1 year ago
@crazycheetha
Hahaha,
Tell me Mr :intelligent ,How many sons did Ibrahim has?
Which one is older than the other ?!!
Ishmael is the eldest son .
salam752 1 year ago
I know that Islam doesn't deny blessings on Isaac and his descendants, but at the same time, there is that sense of enmity amongst his descendants in that they are seen as wicked people who corrupt revelations given to them and kill their prophets.
As for Muḥammad, this is a matter of different beliefs. Muslims believe that he is the seal of the prophets, but Judaism has a criteria for prophethood mentioned in the Torah, criteria that he does not meet.
SubZero7th 2 years ago
The Muslim legend is more or less a spin on the Jewish story of Hagar in search of water. Both versions could very well be false in that Hagar might not even be a historical figure.
Of course, I can't prove any of those things, but I have noticed parallels between Muslim beliefs and Christian beliefs, ones whose origins can be shown to be derived from misunderstandings.
SubZero7th 2 years ago
@SubZero7th
Yes, you are right. Isaac is NOT the son of Abraham as the Bible teaches. Isaac ia a miracle son given to him. In hebrew one can also read
"Take now your son, your only son whom you love with Isaac and go to the region of Moriah".
It was Ishmal not Isaac.
tudungsenduk 2 years ago
We believe in Jesus peace be upon him and we do honer him and his mother actually we muslims combined the benefits of all religions , Judaism is a tough religion, christianity is easy going and we are moderate in between .
salam752 2 years ago
watch this video:
The Truth about Jesus P1/2
in this account(IslamResponses)
salam752 2 years ago
The Quran has mentioned the name of Ishmael and I have posted many articles in the description sections about that and there is a video in my video list titled(The Sacrificed-Ishmael ) telling the story of Ishmael according to islam.
read verses:
37:99 to verse 37:109 and verse 21:85.
salam752 2 years ago
to conform my last comments about Isaac or Ishmael is not recognized in the quran and not even in hadith, watch video [Who was sacrificed, Ishmael or Isaac] at youtube
jolibadi 2 years ago
Actually this video has refuted the video you have mentioned , the articles in the description section are very clear but I do not think you have read them , that is the problem when you do not read the description section.
salam752 2 years ago
Therefore, I urge you ALL to follow Jesus Christ for your salvation, you will never fail with Jesus.
jolibadi 2 years ago
We believe in Jesus peace be upon him and we do honer him and his mother actually we muslims combined the benefits of all religions , Judaism is a tough religion, christianity is easy going and we are moderate in between .
watch this video:
The Truth about Jesus P1/2
in this account(IslamResponses)
salam752 2 years ago
To salam 752. Allah creates enmity with Alnasara =Christians till the end quran 5:14
Those that say Messiah is God & has son are blaspheming 5:72, 18:4 to 5
The Trinitarians =[Christians] are blasphemers 5:73
Dont take Jews & Alnasara =[Christians] as friends 5:51
Kill almoushrikine = polytheists =[Trinitarian Christians] anywhere you find them 9:5
Almoshrikne = polytheists =[Trinitarian Christians] not permitted to visit allah mosque 9:17, 9:28
jolibadi 2 years ago
The Quran never says do not take jews and Christians as friends ,The word 'friends' was not used in the quran . The Arabic word is ( Awlia'), which could mean 'masters' or 'guardians'. Therefore, it is not prohibited for a Muslim to be good to Jews & Christians. Allah (s.w.t.) says in Surah Al-Mumtahna (60), verse (8): '' Allah does not forbid you, with regard to those who did not fight you for your faith nor drive you out of your homes, cont
salam752 2 years ago
Allah (s.w.t.) says in Surah Al-Mumtahna (60), verse (8): '' Allah does not forbid you, with regard to those who did not fight you for your faith nor drive you out of your homes)
salam752 2 years ago
The verse is talking about The punishment that will be applied in the enemies of Islam and it was due to the mischief that the enemies of Islam were committing on the Muslims. This was a death sentence to those who were raping the Muslim women and children. That is what is referred to here as mischief in the land. This has nothing to do with Christians, Jews, or any one of any faith.
cont
salam752 2 years ago
My question is where do you get your information that this verse in the Qur'an, which you quote very often refers to the killing of Christians?
salam752 2 years ago
You need to read the verse in context and know the "occasion of revelation") of each verse.
verse 9:5 says(Then, when the sacred months have passed, slay the idolaters wherever ye find them, and take them (captive), and besiege them, and prepare for them each ambush. But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor-due, then leave their way free. Lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.)
The verse talks about the Arab pagan
cont
salam752 2 years ago
To salam 752. You said you believe in Jesus but your allah commands to kill them. allah says in quran: Trinitarians are blasphemers 5:73, kill blasphemers anywhere you find 4:89 Dont take the blasphemers as friends 3:28 Crucify or cut hands & feet that fight with Allah & his prophet 5:33 Fight them, allah torturing them trough your hands 9:14 Slay the necks of the unbelievers, and if you die, you will inherit paradise 47:4 to 6
jolibadi 2 years ago
jolibadi
Typical christian, when he cant reply hands down and change the subject.
My Allah doesn't command me to kill Jesus nor his followers .
vers 5:73 doesn't say kill blasphemers as you claim liar ,lying wouldn't help you at all ,it only shows how ignorant and twister you are as most of paul followers .
the verse says:
cont
salam752 2 years ago
verse 5:73(They surely disbelieve who say: Lo! Allah is the third of three; when there is no Allah save the One Allah. If they desist not from so saying a painful doom will fall on those of them who disbelieve).
I have videos in my video list explain these quranic verse its title:
(Jihad's meaning & misunderstood Quranic text )and there are other videos in brother (MuhaddithDotOrg )account which already exposed your missionaries mistranslation of these verse its title:
Fitna Geert Wilders Film
salam752 2 years ago
Lets read one of the verse you have mentioned in context : verse:5:33 says:(The only reward of those who make war upon Allah and His messenger and strive after corruption in the land will be that they will be killed or crucified, or have their hands and feet on alternate sides cut off, or will be expelled out of the land. Such will be their degradation in the world, and in the Hereafter theirs will be an awful doom)
where is the words christians or jews in this verse?
cont
salam752 2 years ago
Meaning: so when the grace period (4 months) is past, and if the other party insists on fighting Islam, then a state of war is inevitable. The struggle may take the form of killing, or capture and imprisonment, or just keeping an eye on these enemies to fend off their evil if they decide to launch an offensive against Muslims. The punishment should be fair and just and, thus, must be proportional to the crimes actually committed. Not only this, but the pagans can repent and accept Islam
salam752 2 years ago
I do not have time to respond on a very old arguments which have already been refuted many times on YT and in many ISLAMIC WEB SITES.
if you want to learn about islam learn about it from its sources not from islamophobes sources , if you want to stay ignorant blind then sorry my time is precious and I wont wast it with brain washed people,
there are many websites in my profile where you can read about islam .
salaam
salam752 2 years ago
quran never mentioned the name of sacrificial son. The following verse allah announce Isaac name as prophet. The book of hadith said: I dont know which son was sacrificed. Actually Mohamed copied wrong information from the Torah; therefore, it shows that most of the qurans passages are similar to the Torah, especially the violent ones. It sounds like two lazy students that never studied for their exam, one of them copied from the other, and therefore, both failed.
jolibadi 2 years ago
As for your claiming about the hadith
write the hadith please and its number
Otherwise i WOULD CONSIDER this is a lie has been made by you and I am not surprised since Paul himself admitted he was a liar.
salam752 2 years ago
As for Muhammad pbuh copied from the bible , this lie has been refuted many times on YT and I made video title:
Fake Ex Muslim Exposed-Rachid.P3/4
you can find it in my account(IslamResponses) refuting this lie.
It is well known that Mohummed[p]was illiterate ,who could not read nor write and nobody claims the opposite.
If Mohammad borrowed from Judeo-Christian sources,
Why does the Holy Quran scold you for the interpolations you inserted in your books and then copy from them?
salam752 2 years ago
You should tell us where was that translated copy that he copied from , according to thehistorical authority , there
was not any translated copy in the time of the prophet Mohammed or even long after his death?
as for the violent verses in the OT and in the NT , you believe that Jesus is God or his son so these bloody orders were from him to his prophets or at least they were with his approval.
you wont find a single verse in the Quran orders us to kill women & kids etc as those in the bible
salam752 2 years ago
I doesn't matter Isaac or Ishmael, Abraham loved both of them very much. In fact, Abraham was so sad to leave his son...
plovakia 2 years ago
Love the picture slideshow in your video lol.
Good video!
dragonlordx1 2 years ago
Arabs are the half brothers of JEWS. Why are Arabs always at war with them? If Arabs and Jews understood this and if Arabs would simply see that the Abrahamic Covenant was with Isaac and NOT Ishmael, the region of Palistine/Israel would be peaceful. STOP hating your brothers the Jews. Read Genesis 16:9-12 and tell me this discription does not sound like the Arab nation. If you are honest, you will see that Arabs do not get along with their own families, let alone the entire Earth. PEACE!
Gunwacko 3 years ago
I truly cannot believe how deceived Muslims are. This has ALWAYS been about WHEN these events happened. 1, if the Jews "corrupted" the Bible, then why didn't they fix this problem? 2, You hang all understanding on this issue on 3 sentences? You are overlooking the FACT that Ishmael was conceived out of WEDLOCK with the maiden NOT the wife. The promise between God/Allah was the JEWISH line. Issac WAS the "only son" and the heir to the covenent between God/Allah and Abraham.
Gunwacko 3 years ago
genesis 16:3 So, after Abram had dwelt ten years in the land of Canaan, Sar'ai, Abram's wife, took Hagar the Egyptian, her maid, and gave her to Abram her husband as a wife. i think you are overlooking something mate. Ashshahadu an la ilaha ill allah wa ashshahadu anna muhammadur rasulullah
abuamir1969 3 years ago
Brother..you missed it. Sar'ai was his first wife. The mother of Ishmael was a mistress and did not qualify as the heir to Abram's estate nor his family seed promised by God. SIN was the reason Abram slept with the maidservant and conceived a child out of wedlock. Abram only had 1 wife and many concubines. If Abram would have been patient with God and His promise, Ishmael would never had been born and we wouldn't be having this conversation...nor would you exist. Think about it.
Gunwacko 3 years ago
Brother.. i think that it is you who missed it. Did not YOUR OWN bible tell in Genesis 16:3 that Sarai 'gave her to Abram her husband as a WIFE'. Read again.. your bible says wife, not mistress. Or are you going to deny your own bible? And here's another verse in your bible that you should read.
Deuteronomy 21:15-17:
Reflect on them.
0truthwillprevail0 2 years ago
For you to say that Ishmael (AS) was conceived out of wedlock, is to say that Abraham (AS) committed adultery.
So, either God made a covenant with an adulterer, OR Ishmael (AS) was a legitimate son. AND on top of that, God then promises that a great nation would rise from this illegitimate child?
Either you're fooling yourself, or you're insulting God and His Prophets. Ur choice.
hchsbp1 2 years ago
You said:
''Actually glad tidings were given to prophet Ibruheem about finally having a son (prophet Isma'eel, since he's the older one)
Prophet ismael?
lets see what the scholars have too say about the identity of this son.
They said, Do not be afraid; lo!, we, are the messengers of your Lord [sent to], give you good tidings of a knowledgeable boy, one very knowledgeable [boy], namely, Isaac — as we mentioned in sūrat Hūd [Q. 11:69].
al Yalalayn
rafael4christ 3 years ago
let m show you your ignorance ,Hūd [Q. 11:69].(Sura 11:69-73 There came Our Messengers to Abraham with glad tidings. They said "Peace!" He answered "Peace!" and hastened to entertain them with a roasted calf. But when he saw their hands went not towards the (meal) he felt some mistrust of them and conceived a fear of them. They said: )cont6
salam752 3 years ago
cont6(Fear not: we have been sent against the people of Lut." And his wife was standing (there) and she laughed: but We gave her glad tidings of Isaac and after him of Jacob. She said: "Alas for me! Shall I bear a child seeing I am an old woman and my husband here is an old man? That would indeed be a wonderful thing!" They said: "Dost thou wonder at Allah's decree? The grace of Allah and His blessings on you O ye people of the house! for He is indeed worthy of all praise full of all glory!"
salam752 3 years ago
In the above mentioned verse from the Qur'an(11:96) there is no mention of God's Covenant (the promise made by God), that "agrees" with the one that we have seen in the Biblical Text.
IF for you the "God's promise" or "Good News" for the "birth of Isaac" was the most important thing for Abraham then what about the "God's promise" to Abraham for Ishmael (who was already offered for Sacrifice),
salam752 3 years ago
Genesis 17:20( And as for Ishmael, I have heard thee: Behold, I have blessed him, and will make him fruitful, and will multiply him exceedingly; twelve princes shall he beget, and I will make him a great nation)There are nearly 25 million Jews (the so called descendants of Isaac), upon this earth, whereas the number for those who have entered Islam - a great nation established by the descendant of Ishmael, cnt8
salam752 3 years ago
prophet Muhammad upon the authority of God's Revelations is nearly 1.2 billion. This conclusively proves that Islam is the Great Nation that was PROMISED to Abraham through Ishmael. Unfortunately, you simply brush aside this GREAT PROMISE for a GREAT NATION and keep on harping; "Ishmael was never a promised child". Hence, Ishmael was not fit for the offering. Hence, we all should accept that Isaac was the "ONLY SON"of Abraham.
salam752 3 years ago
Islamophilic,Let me also show you your ignorance on the Quranic scripture.
you said and I Quote
(Actually glad tidings were given to prophet Ibruheem about finally having a son (prophet Isma'eel, since he's the older one) in the Qur'an. Read 15:53, 37:101, & 51:28)
rafael4christ 3 years ago
let me post the verses you reffered too
They said: Be not afraid, surely we give you the good news of a boy, possessing knowledge.-15;53
My Lord! Vouchsafe me of the righteous. So We gave him tidings of a gentle son. And when his son was old enough to walk with him, Abraham said: 0 my dear son, I have seen in a dream that I must sacrifice thee". (Surah 37.100-102).
rafael4christ 3 years ago
So he conceived in his mind a fear on account of them. They said: Fear not. And they gave him the good news of a boy possessing knowledge.-51;28
So we see from the verses you Quoted that Ibraham was given tidings of a son(which son)the quran tells us that only 1 son of his ,namely Izaak,Was givin tidings at his birth. We can read that in
rafael4christ 3 years ago
And We gave him tidings of the birth of Isaac, a Prophet of the righteous. And We blessed him and Isaac". (Surah 37.112-113)
Nowhere it the Quran does the Quran states that also tidings where given at the birt of Ismael also!!!
So its clear from sura 37)
rafael4christ 3 years ago
you claim that the Qur'an agrees with the Bible is FALSE, DECEPTIVE and MISLEADING.
The Bible speaks of God making an"Everlasting Covenant" whereas, the verses of the Quran do not speak of Allah making any kind of Covenant. here is the entire verse of(37:99-112)cont1
salam752 3 years ago
cont2((99. And he said: "Verily, I am going to my Lord. He will guide me!'' (100. "My Lord! Grant me (offspring) from the righteous.'') . So, We gave him the glad tidings of a forbearing boy.) (. And, when he (his son) was old enough to walk with him, he said: "O my son! I have seen in a dream that I am slaughtering you. So look what you think!'' cont3
salam752 3 years ago
cont3(He said: "O my father! Do that which you are commanded, if Allah wills, you shall find me of the patient.'') (103. Then, when they had both submitted themselves, and he had laid him prostrate on his forehead;) (104. We called out to him: "O Ibrahim!'') . "You have fulfilled the dream!'' Verily, thus do We reward the doers of good.) (106. Verily, that indeed was a manifest trial.) (. And We ransomed him with a great sacrifice;)
salam752 3 years ago
cont4((. And We left for him among the later generations.) ( "Salam (peace!) be upon Ibrahim!'') . Thus indeed do We reward the doers of good(111. Verily, he was one of Our believing servants.) And We gave him the glad tidings of Ishaq a Prophet from the righteous.) We blessed him and Ishaq. And of their progeny are (some) that do right, and some that plainly wrong themselves.)
salam752 3 years ago
This verse you have quoted and didnt complete it clearly shows that glad tidings of the birth of Isaac were given to Abraham after he had already offered his first born son for sacrifice.
In other words, So We gave him the glad tiding of a forbearing boy, and all that has been narrated after this verse refer to Ishmael)if you are ignorant in your bible hen don't come to the holy quran
salam752 3 years ago
My Lord! Vouchsafe me of the righteous. So We gave him tidings of a gentle son. And when his son was old enough to walk with him, Abraham said: 0 my dear son, I have seen in a dream that I must sacrifice thee". (Surah 37.100-102).
So We gave him tidings of a gentle son>>>IZAAK
This vers tells us that the son who was givin tidings(IZAAK) at births was ment too be sacrifice.
rafael4christ 3 years ago
let me again show you your ignorants and miscomprehention of the Holy text.I will answer you trough different ways..let me first remind you of a Qur'anic way of looking at a similar question of "son" or "not son".
rafael4christ 3 years ago
Remember) Noah, when he cried (to Us) aforetime:We listened to his (prayer) and delivered
HIM AND HIS FAMILY from great distress.-- Sura 21:76
So the Ark floated with them on the waves (towering) like mountains,
and Noah called out to his son, who had separated himself (from the rest):
"O my son! embark with us, and be not with the unbelievers!"
rafael4christ 3 years ago
The son replied: "I will betake myself to some mountain: it will save me from the water."
Noah said: "This day nothing can save, from the command of Allah,
any but those on whom He hath mercy!" And the waves came between them,
and THE SON WAS AMONG THOSE OVERWHELMED IN THE FLOOD-.-- Sura 11:42-43
Allah saved him and his family. Now, this contradiction is "solved" in the Qur'an itself, when we read on in verse
rafael4christ 3 years ago
Exactly. God said that he is NOT his son since he was a sinful non-believer (since being "a son" of a prophet is by good deeds, not blood). We're still waiting for a similar Biblical evidence which disowns Ishmael.
On the contrary, all we find are verses (of which 5 are shown) which prove that the Bible acknowledges this sonship perfectly.
IslamoPhilic 3 years ago
One of Noah's sons dies in the Flood in contradiction to 21:76 which states that 46 when Allah replies to Noah in regard to exactly this complaint that he has not saved his son.
"O Noah! He is not of thy family: For his conduct is unrighteous.
So ask not of Me that of which though Hast no knowledge!"
So, we see that this problem is solved by "divine exclusion" and the Qur'an even admitts that this can be something rather
rafael4christ 3 years ago
difficult to comprehend for normal human beings, even for the prophet of God, Noah
I would like to ask, if you can accept that God "excludes" one who is (physically) a son from being (properly) a son "in a certain respect" or in relationship to a certain purpose. If you can accept that God is free to declare so, then I hope you will be able to accept a similar statement in the Bible, when God talks to Abraham in this way in Genesis 22.
rafael4christ 3 years ago
Then you continue in going too the circumzision and which this (in your own interpretation) implies,again I have too show you your ignorants on the scripture.(gen 17)
Ishmael is recognized as a son of Abraham (v.26) and they are circumcised together, however that does not make Ishmael the heir of the covenant any more than the male slaves in Abraham's household who were circumcised with him as well (v.27).
After Sarah's death, Abraham takes another wife, Keturah
(Gen. 25:1),
rafael4christ 3 years ago
and God greatly blesses him also with many more children from her and possibly further concubines (Gen. 25:6).
However, he leaves all he owns to Isaac (Gen. 25:5) and after giving gifts to the other sons, he sends them away just as Ishmael was sent away earlier (Gen. 21). After the death of Abraham God continues to honor the
covenant and blesses Isaac (Gen. 25:11).
The Torah leaves no question that the covenant relationship of God with Abraham
rafael4christ 3 years ago
continues with Isaac.
The two sentences after the "but" in verse 19 and 21 make this unambiguously clear. Only Isaac, the son of promise, inherits the covenant and Ishmael does not. However, Ishmael is not forgotten and has a promise of God's blessing
Like I said the .the bible is written in chronological order.Ismael wasnt present at the time of the sacrifice(he was already sent away)and So the only 1 there was Izaak.I already explained you the only son meaning.
rafael4christ 3 years ago
No, by default "only son" means "only son". If you claim that simply not having a covenant with God or being sent away means he's no longer a son then you STILL need Biblical evidence to prove it.
IslamoPhilic 3 years ago
But let me take your standerds and dont worry about context or chronology of scripture.If 1 does that he can argue that the Quran admits that it was infacts izaak who was ment too be sacrificed.
"And we gave him tidings of the birth of Isaac, a Prophet of the righteous". (Surah 37.112).
"And We gave him tidings of the birth of Isaac, a Prophet of the righteous. And We blessed him and Isaac". (Surah 37.112-113).
rafael4christ 3 years ago
In the Quran tidings are ONLY given at the birth of Izaak and not for ismael. Now lets read on:
My Lord! Vouchsafe me of the righteous. So We gave him tidings of a gentle son. And when his son was old enough to walk with him, Abraham said: 0 my dear son, I have seen in a dream that I must sacrifice thee". (Surah 37.100-102).
This vers is reffering too the son of tidings(i.e izaak) who was ment too be sacraficed
rafael4christ 3 years ago
Actually glad tidings were given to prophet Ibruheem about finally having a son (prophet Isma'eel, since he's the older one) in the Qur'an. Read 15:53, 37:101, & 51:28.
IslamoPhilic 3 years ago
let me pick up the challenge and refute this weak claim of yours,first of all the bible is written in chronologic order.we read gen 21 vers 14-16 that abraham send Hager and ismael AWAY.Then we read in chapter 22(after abraham sent ismael away)that he must take his only son,Isaak, and sacrifice him...So the event happend after ismael was already sent away!!
Moreover the only sons is a refference of the promise Son.The Only son the was promised and deliverd By God.imael was born afer the flesh
rafael4christ 3 years ago
rafael4christ, actually you refuted nothing gen 22(Take your son, your only son, Isaac, whom you love,)proves that the Jewish scribes because of vanity, switched the names;the second part of your comment It has b already been refuted in this video ,again,Genesis 17:10 This [is] my covenant, which ye shall keep, between me and you and thy seed after thee; Every man child among you shall be circumcised.
salam752 3 years ago
2-notice gen 17:10-13 states that The covenant was first made with Abraham and Ishmael;Genesis 16:16 "and Abram [is] a son of eighty and six years in Hagar's bearing Ishmael to Abram."Who's son? Abraham's "son". Now as far as the sacrifice is concerned,
Genesis 17:24 "Abraham was ninety-nine years old when he was circumcised in the flesh of his foreskin)That makes Abraham's son Ishmael 13,
salam752 3 years ago
how old is Isaac at this time?
Genesis 21:5 "Abraham was a hundred years old when his son Isaac was born to him."
that means during the circumcision/sacrifice, Abraham's only "begotten" son is Ishmael and not Isaac as the Bible says.Therefore we see that Isaac was not the only son, as a matter of fact, Isaac was not even born yet and Abraham's Only begotten son was Ishmael
salam752 3 years ago
lets assume that Ishmael was in another country as you said, this doesn't mean that Abraham had one son or Abraham loved Isacc more than Ishmael ,the phrase (your only son whom you love)proves with out any doubt that the Jews have inserted the name of Isaac in place of Ishmael to cut off the relationship of Muhammad with Arabia and his great ancestor Abraham but in spite of this tampering the Bible contains passages which still point to Ishmael as the son offered for sacrifice1
salam752 3 years ago
read the same biblical verse which you posed it gen:21-and 22. Abrahm was asked to sacrifice his only son which means that at that time he had no other son. The fact that this could only that at that time he had no other son. The fact that this could only Ishmael (sws) is evident from the following two passages of the Bible: (Genesis, 16:16)(Genesis, 21:5)
salam752 3 years ago
Ishmael (sws) was fourteen years old at the birth of Isaac (sws), and must have been offered for sacrifice before Isaac (sws) was born because Abraham (sws) had been asked to sacrifice his only son; after Isaacs birth of course the words your only son would be totally inappropriate and against reality.the word Isaac mentioned in the passage of gen(21-14 ) was inserted in place of Ishmael (sws)
salam752 3 years ago
Hold on, before we get technical with it. You followers of Muhammad still need to answer 1 qestion before you have the rights to ask questions.
Where is the proof that Islam existed before Muhammad. Why are you calling Jesus, Moses, and other people Muslims when its a fact that Islam is based on Muhammad not Allah.
kiddo500 3 years ago
Ugh. I thought we answered this question enough for every inhabitant of this planet to read the answer like 8 times.
There goes one more: "Muslim" = "Submitter" in Arabic. Moses, Jesus, Abraham, David, and ALL prophets were submitters to God. Doesn't need to mean "A follower of prophet Muhammad who prays 5 times/day and fasts Rumudan etc"
IslamoPhilic 3 years ago
That was interesting. I'm atheist so not taking sides, but I have questions for both. The older part of the Bible was written before Islam came about, so did the Jews really choose Isaac to call themselves superior to Arabs? Or did the Quran come later and then Arabs claimed it was Ishmael to call themselves superior to the Jews? Also if Muhammed (pbuh) had a lot of contact with Judeo-Christians, could his memory of the Bible have been confused? Or was Allah correcting the mistake?
DestroyerMariko 3 years ago
It's been proven that the (current) Bible doesn't make sense Mariko. Not just by this vid, this vid is NOTHING when you see others like the debates of late Ahmad Deedat (here on youtube also).
What's worse, the church declared in 2005 that believers shouldn't "expect total accuracy" when reading it!!
As for the Qur'an, we've got some 25 scientific proofs of its validity so far. Check my channel if you'd like to see them :)
IslamoPhilic 3 years ago 2
Thanks, I'll definitely look at some of those videos. I know the Bible doesn't make sense, I'm an ex-Catholic, as a child I was lead to believe it was all rainbows and Noah's Ark. I like the idea of the Qur'an, that it should always be kept in Arabic and reproduced accurately, it's only the origins that I doubt. I sure am interested in what these proofs are. Also, it depends which Church you ask about the Bible, the Catholics will say it's not literal, but fundamentalists are a different story.
DestroyerMariko 3 years ago
I also added a couple of favorites about Catholics (one of them was/wanted to be a missionary!) converting to Islam and saying the reasons. I'm not talking about the BIG ones like Yusuf Estes, just "normal" people.
I think the reason many Christians are escaping to Atheism is the degree of corruption in the Bible. They also don't consider Islam because the media has done an excellent job portraying Muslims as savages/terrorists/sexists etc. So they feel stuck between Bible & Darwin.
IslamoPhilic 3 years ago
Cool, I'll check them out when I find me some more time o_O lol. Is that the guy who got stuck in the ocean and prayed that if he got saved, he'd devote himself to God? Can't remember his English name, Cat something? lol, cat.
True about the media. Although also, atheist activists are popping up more and more. It's hard to be religious with science. Some people are also turning Buddhist, although with distorted perceptions of it.
DestroyerMariko 3 years ago
Cat Stevens maybe? He was a singer. Yusuf Estes was a preacher but he met a Muslim guy and was later convinced with Islam, so he and his wife converted form hardline Xians to hardline Muslims :)
For Muslims it isn't hard to be religious with Science, it's almost the other way around since we DEPEND on Science to prove our religion. Buddhism is cool but totally unrealistic in its teachings.
Anyway send me a msg when you have watched the Scientific Miracles stuff, & read the skeptic comments! :)
IslamoPhilic 3 years ago
mashallah mashallah this video is awesome
i wish to show how any christian will comment it
may god reward u for your great efforts my brother
5*
hamza995 3 years ago 2
of course it's a reat video
KatiCatCool 3 years ago 2
lol...this the first time I post a comment on the 1st page
anyway, the christians about this topic are very blind!!
some C dude says "We are cursed by Islam and the bastard seed of Hagar, There was ONLY ONE SON promised to Sarah and Abraham. This son was born and name ISAAC!!!
he even said ISHMAEL WAS NOT A LEGITIMATE SON!! O0
so he just made isaac the 1st born..LOL
therefor he will make lies as much as he can to put his BLIND FAITH ...man i can't stand these guys.
hokutonosword1 3 years ago 8
even more..that guy want 2 belive what he's calling FACTS about this:
"ISAAC was the son of Sarah, the wife who Abraham LOVED. ISHMAEL was the son of a servant Hagar, who Abraham only 'used' to conceive a child. WHICH OF THE TWO OF THESE DO YOU THINK ABRAHAM WOULD LOVE MOST?"
what the...
did he just said Hagar, who Abraham only 'used' to conceive a child?
didn't abraham (married) hagar to conceive a child...therefor ishmael IS A LEGITIMATE SON
it's just like saying he had sex with some1else
hokutonosword1 3 years ago 3
even more,he asking me to B HONEST...will then let's how HONEST he is..
he says "Abraham would have LOVED ISAAC MORE THAN ISHMAEL! Now let us consider what God asked Abraham to sacrifice not even just any son, but HIS FIRST BORN SON! - Why first? - because God knows that the first born child is often special to you, but in scripture when the word 'FIRST' is used it infers 'BEST'!"
how honest u r, who was FIRST BORN SON?
& he's corrupting the meaning of FIRST and made it as BEST....joooke lol
hokutonosword1 3 years ago 4
Ishmael RULES!
Kite207 3 years ago 3
Subhanallah, great video!
sharshur 3 years ago 2
nice video.
But the problem i see now is Muslim reading jewish and christians scripture and they don't really read and understand quran.
In Quran you will find many stories contradicting biblical stories, and everyone i examined myself I saw clearly quran is the accurate.
I believe in Torah that sent to Moses, but I validate it by Quran, Quran was sent for us to exposed all fabrications, the biggest one is the fabrications against Jesus by Romans and rabbis.
indifferentcanadian 3 years ago 4
So please read quran alot examine every verse, every word in Quran has a purpose. EVERY WORD.
But unfortuantely some of our very wise scholars use explanations borrowed from the jews to explain qura, false approach.
How come we are now consider Eve wife of Adam?
How come we are now waiting the so called messiah?
indifferentcanadian 3 years ago