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  • "Allah-o-Akbar "

    Its really amazing moments that Cat touched Kaaba Subhanallah,

    Cat is Paak Animal&This is True&Fact that Holly Phrophet

    Mohammad Peace Be Upon Him had kept one Cat in his house

    & we heard many stories, that Mohammed (pbuh) cared his own

    Cat & his Cat rest&health etc Subhanallah.

    Famous Sahabi-ye-Rasool Hazrat AbuHuraira Raziallah loved Cats

    &he did get many Cats in his house,even Phrophet Mohammed (PBUH) did

    many times jokes with AbuHoraira (RZ) regarding his Cats Subhallah."

  • I see that you have taken down my comments:) No mercey for freedom of speech ey? Do you think Mohammed would be proud of your dictator kind of sorry ass? You are a fucking fake, and your video is false. You say its about a cat, its about islam and prayer, cat is just a way of promoting islamic prayer, you are such a fake, I bet you take this down quickly too. You know nothing about youtube and freedom of speech, stay in the desert you moron!

  • @ulutirmik ... lol are you stupid or something? I took your comments down because they were stupid and had no point. This video is about a cat touching the Ka'aba and I included the prayer so people can see the prayer. If you don't want to watch it then don't watch it. Out of the 452 comments you're the only person who ever complained about the prayer. There are other videos without the prayer go and watch those if you don't want to watch the prayer. Stop acting like a kid.

  • @SHUR1312 My comment about cat being a couple of seconds of this video, but the title is about a cat, it is not. What is stupid is you deciding to censur proples opinions because it doesnt fit in your view. Thats fuckin dictatorship ashole. Let people speak. People who created youtube are westerners who belive in freedom of spech and dosnt censur opinions because they dont like it. Thats typical desert mentality. And belive me Mohamed would kick your sorry ass to hell!

  • @ulutirmik I don't know what the heck you are talking about. First of all, I am "WESTERN", I was born in America. Second of all, this is MY video, I can do WHATEVER I want with it. If you really want do express your feelings about how you are offended that the cat only came in view for a few seconds, why don't you make a video? Or are you just a "Keyboard Warrior"? And learn english.

  • @SHUR1312 Yeah riiight, you are an american...ha ha, more like a muslim living in America. If you were a true American you would not cesur peoples opinions like a desert king asshole.

  • @ulutirmik I don't think you understand, let me break it down for you: THIS IS MY VIDEO AND I CAN DO WHAT EVER I WANT WITH IT LIKE DELETING STUPID COMMENTS POSTED BY STUPID PEOPLE WHO HAVE A LOT OF TIME AND CAN'T SPELL PROPERLY. Understand now? Thats also freedom, freedom to do what I like with my video.
  • @SHUR1312 Bahuuu this is my video bahuuu, I can do what I want Bahuuu, I am the King bahuuuu, this my freedom bahuuu, you know shit about freedom. And dont get me started on spel check, can u speka swedish? No? Turkish? No? Im speaking many languages, issue here is not the language, issue is you are like a crying baby who is afraid of different opinions. That is why muslims fail. And I hope Mohamed cuts you with his mighty sword because people like you make the rest of us look bad!

  • @ulutirmik I have no problem with your opinions, but hey I have an idea. How about you don't spam on my video, make your own video and express all your opinions in that video? Because what you are doing now is spam and annoying. Where I am from (USA) this would be considered harassment. It's not all about freedom in the west buddy. You're either a kid or an immature idiot who needs to grow up.

  • @SHUR1312 Yeah riiight, saying "this video is not about a cat, its about a prayer" considered spam and harresment by you? Such fragile standpoint you got there buddy.

  • @ulutirmik What you are doing now is spam and harassment. I'm pretty sure "Right" only has one "i".

  • @SHUR1312 Oh good for you, you know how to spell but you have no tolorence for difference of opinion, is it not great? Do the muslims a favor and stop being an idiot who is good on spel check instead be a good human being who does not cesur others because it doesnot fit your world view.

  • @ulutirmik "Muslims" should be capitalized. "Spel" has two L's. "Cesur" is not a word. "Doesnot" needs a space in the middle. I'm sure by the end of this conversation we can have your grammar fixed up.

  • @SHUR1312 Yeah you keep holding on to wrong gramer argument and avoid reading between the lines to what Im trying to say. You think that is what a good muslim should do? If you think so than you are a bigger idiot than I thought.

  • @ulutirmik "Im" should be "I'm". "Gramer" should be "Grammar". "muslim" should be capitalized. "Than" should be "then". A "good Muslim" doesn't curse like you.

  • @SHUR1312 Keep on commenting. I want to reach 500 comments.

  • @SHUR1312 Stop with that gramer bullshit, grow up will you? Everybody is not born in a english speaking country. And I never said I am a (M)uslim, but I belive in Mohammed. If you dont lke it who cares. But it is obvious you have no real argument than to point at my gramer like a little kid with no argument than "na na na". But Im sure you are a Muslim, and a very bad one, you make other Muslims look like an ashole. Stop doing that will you? Stop censuring people, stop acting like a desert king.

  • @ulutirmik It's my "Freedom" to correct your grammar. Are you trying to stop me? Isn't that "Censoring"? There is not argument here, I have nothing to fight for. You are just an idiot who is mad because had to listen to a prayer and thinks he wasted his time, but in reality you are wasting your time right now.

  • @SHUR1312 Im not trying to stop you from correcting my gramer but Im trying to make you focus on the issue which is, it is a legitimate point of view that this videos content doesnt live up to its title. And if you werent such a censur loving type this conversation wouldnt take place. Is the argument too hard for you to folow? Do you need to correct my gramer so you dont have to deal with what Im saying? Does it making easier on you to avoid what people say by censuring them? Think about it.

  • @ulutirmik I'm not censoring you, I'm just helping you learn english:

    "Im" should be "I'm". "Gramer" should be "Grammar". "Im" should be "I'm" (3rd time). "Doesnt" should be "Doesn't". "Werent" should be "Weren't". "Censur" should be "Censor". "Wouldnt" should be "Wouldn't". "Folow" should be "Follow". "Gramer" should be "Grammar" (3rd time). "Dont" should be "Don't". "Im" should be "I'm" (4th time!). "On" should be "For". "Censuring" should be "Censoring".

    Come on man. Same mistakes again?

  • @SHUR1312 Yes same mistakes because gramer is not the issue, for the 5th time grow up will you. You cant runaway from the fact that you dont wanna hear what I have to say and like a kid continue to hang up on gramer. You are pathetic. I dare you not to cesur this dialog so people can make up their own mind about what is being said.

  • @ulutirmik I'm not even going to explain but just put a star:

    *Grammar, *Can't, *Run away, *Don't, *Want to, *Grammar, *Censor

    Yes I won't censor this so people can see your atrocious grammar.

  • @SHUR1312 Ha ha, whatever desert king wana be. Just dont cesur the dialog so the people can make up their own minds about what we are talking about, I dare you, I double dare you!

  • @ulutirmik I dare you to go to school for once.

  • @WeirdoMoney whatever you guys say, just keep the dialog than I can live with your "humiliations" about my language skills as long as you let people speak freely.

  • @ulutirmik

    Okay, he will. But before you leave...

    "than" should be "then" :)

  • @WeirdoMoney Ha ha still hang up on gramer, still can not deal with the content of my words? Still refusing to deal with differences of opinion? By the way, nice trick to change an account and post as someone else, grow up will you? Content of your video does not live up to its title. What is so hard to understand about it and feel a need to censur this simple opinion? Are you that fragile?

  • @ulutirmik I'm not censoring anything lol. And that is not me. Can you explain to me what I am censoring? That you think this video should be short? Okay fine you win it should be short. So what? You expressed your feelings I think that should be enough. Maybe now you can have more time to work on your grammar.

    *Censor

  • It is a legitimate opinion to say "if your videos title is about cat than dont put a video almost enitely people praying and cat showing up for nano seconds" thats false advertisment. It makes you look like you have another agenda. And this opinion is not something you should censur. Just try to live with freedom of speech when you using a medium created for freedom of speech. Otherwise you look like a fool!

  • It could be a JINN, as we all know that Jinn can change there shapes to humans or animals .....

  • @laughalization lmaaoo thats what ibeen trying to saay all along ! Finally someone Understands !

  • you christians are one to talk about miracles. u think by adding bread to wine u get jesus' blodd and flesh...... come use your brains -_-

  • OK stone is about 5 feet to the left of where the cat touches.

    But it is cool that a cat comes out of nowhere, touches structure, then walks off.

    Cat made it to Mecca ! Does that mean it has to come back 8 more times ? ;-)

  • The stone is actually in the silver "container" about 10 feet to the left of where cat touches.

  • saya mau tanya: Sah atau tidak apabila orang muslim bersembahyang tapi tidak menghadap Kaabah? Tahun berapa Kaabah didirikan?  Apakah orang muslim boleh bersahabat dengan Jin

  • that is pretty incredible, it does stand up and touch it with its two front paws. Allah knows best.

  • this cat know how to take a chance !!

  • see even a cat knows who its lord is when some people dont

  • subahanallah....kucing pun tahu rumah allah

  • to ALL: can we not ignore those hate mongers. there is a say in my language which means " if a dog bite a human, is it nice for the human to bite the dog back"? lets enjoye the recitation. this is amazing to see that a cat even know the truth. feel sorry for those human being that they are worse than animal, cant distinguish between the truth and falsehood.

  • aawwwwwwwwwieeeeeee

  • I thinks it's a muslim jinne

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  • @StrawberryRizla Where did what come from?

  • @SHUR1312 u mad?

  • @StrawberryRizla What are you talking about?

  • @StrawberryRizla I feel sorry for you ;(

  • @SHUR1312 i feel sorry for you too :P

  • @StrawberryRizla You were probably abused as a child or maybe you still are one. I can't tell because you might have a mental disorder. I hope you get better ;(

  • @SHUR1312 none of the above?

  • @StrawberryRizla It's okay, you don't have to deny it. I understand.

  • Your actually fucking retarded if you think that cat did this for any reason at all.

  • MASHALLH <3 :)

  • That was Cat Stevens !!(Smile) I had heard he became a Muslim and now I really Believe it !! Maybe it was a sign that that Jesus is returning . He said he would return as a Lion and a lion is just a big cat !! Mohammed was also a devoted kitty-cat lover like me!! All Glory to Allah !! Give Cat Stevens a nice fat mouse to eat ! A Jewish Mouse ha ha ha ha !!

  • i was lucky enough to perform Umrah recently, Wallah amazing experience...

    Alhumdullilah!

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  • Subhanallah,speechless

  • Whats with the military ? Oh ! all have to be told what to do I guess.

  • poor dogs, there going to hell

  • ســبــحــان الله

    (=

  • Idolatry!

  • nice!

  • S.H.U.R., just spam this "ambardarlane" guy. We just want to see the Kaaba and hear the tilawat. He has no business starting a debate. Delete all those useless comments. Jazakallah

  • @SHUR1312 come to Malaysia my friend..we have Muslim women as a brigidier General, our National Bank Govenor is a female Muslim, our Judges are also a lot of them are female...

    please my dear friend... come to Malaysia... and our books also are written by women scholars, there are a lot more woman than man in our Universities... and yes, we do permit muslim and non-muslim women to wear bikinis on our lovely beaches... come to Malaysia... a moderate Islamic country with a lot tourist destination

  • @ImamSoffian crap

  • @ImamSoffian What is up wit u? :P

  • That was pretty cool. I would love to visit Mecca one day...Even though I am not a Muslim I really enjoy hearing an azan and seeing pictures of the Sacred Mosque.

  • @BloodrosePrincess. Mashallah.! Look into the religion, you'll discover things beyond the imagination what many take for granted; and explanations that science and man cannot describe (citing in the quaraan)

  • @ambardarlane I go to a mosque everyday. My sisters go there. I want proof from you, that women and cats are not allowed inside mosques. Prove it. I haven't said anything about grammar lol.

  • @SHUR1312 Prove it? Kid this is as it is, nothing to prove, again this is as it is whole world knows about it.

  • @ambardarlane Nope, the whole world doesn't know about it. Just admit you are lying. Its okay, you can repent. Just don't lie anymore. You don't have any proof because there is none, your just making it up.

  • @SHUR1312 Unless you are a Muslim, You are bound to Lie and I have no Interest but the Truth is dogs,cats and Women are not allowed in the Mosques so don't try to bluff the whole thing. However, women may be allowed in Khanka's ( Which are not same as mosques).

    You see, my comments were appreciated by the viewers and you hypocrtics have removed my comments altogether, it is sickening.

  • @ambardarlane Wth are you talking about? No one removed your comments. And what is a Khanka? Some king of Hindu Temple? Well you still haven't proven anything. Show me something from the Quran OR Hadeeth. But you can't cause your just a LAIR.

  • @SHUR1312 Oh, Ya Liar, My comments were removed, you bluffer! Khanka is a arabic word, it is separate from Mosques as you would know. I still say Dogs.Women and Cats are not allowed in the Mosques

  • @ambardarlane I haven't removed anything. You probably removed them yourself, as lying is not a big deal to you. Maybe you should click on "View All Comments". We are talking about MOSQUES or in arabic MASJIDS, not Khanka, whatever that is. This is pure lying right here. Is this what your religion teaches you? You have been caught now. Just admit you were lying and I'll stop exposing you. Cats and Women ARE allowed in Mosques.

  • @SHUR1312 lol yup they are we go pray tarawee in a mosque thats this guy on about O_O

  • @kushira sorry i means *whats

  • @ambardarlane ,,if dogs are not allowed in Mosques...why they still let you in

  • @Maysoun2009 Because I had to piss in.

  • @ambardarlane What if i say women arent allowed in churchs..how does that make u feel? i bet u will say WHAT?? ARE U KIDDING ME??? Of course women are allowed in churchs..ok thats how we muslims are feeling right now..just saying..

    p/s: OF COURSE WOMEN, CATS are ALLOWED IN MOSQUES..DUMBASS!

  • @ambardarlane i am pretty sure that YOU really need to take some grammar classes, not me.

    and i am referring to the comment that said "Dogs,Cats, Women are not allowed in Mosques!".

  • Don't tell them about their religion you know nothing about their religion, why don't you take the time and actually study it? Ignorance comes from the word 'to ignore' because you ignore what Muslims have to say, this is what makes you ignorant.

  • oh come on... this is truly the haigh point of stupidity - I am sorry - the cat was simply straching - lol

  • @bfine123 Guess you dont know much about cats.

  • @SHUR1312 This may come as shok to you - I am a veterinarian. I mean no disrespect - but I find it funny that there are ppl that can find anything religious...

  • @bfine123 What do you mean by "anything"? I dont think a cat walking through a crowd of millions to touch the exact spot where the Black Stone is on the Ka'aba, and then standing on 2 feet to touch it is "anything".

  • - I am a bit affraid - things ppl say in the name of religion is usualy not the best thing for man in general - this is why I even bother to submit post - cat or no cat - things are becoming more and more strange - I am not a muslim so I will ask you - do birds land on KA'ABA? and is that a religius thing? And yet another qustion - how many cats live in Meka - was this the only case of a cat and are all the others infidels? hope you dont find it afending its not ment to be.freedom of expresion

  • @bfine123 I do not know if birds land on the Ka'aba. The point of this video is the strange scene of a cat (which is usually afraid of everything) to go into Masjid Al Haram and touch the most sacred part of the Ka'aba.

  • @SHUR1312 thx m8 - all in all I like cats and it shure is nice that the cat was not harm in that big crowd - that alone is a miracle - if U want to put it that way -

  • @bfine123 I see from your comments on other videos that you don't really like Islam, but don't learn about Islam through YouTube, if you want to know the truth, go to a Muslim Scholar.

  • @bfine123 Mohammad did not allow any pet animals anywhere in worshipping places. Before Islam, it was all Pagan/sipiritual at Kaba which Mohammad killed all of them or converted them by force into islam. At pagan times cats were allowed freely in Kabba. This incident is Unique it seems cat was determined to go there despite security around the Kabba as it was her home of worship meaning pagan times which Muslims Hate.

    Dogs,Cats, Women are not allowed in Mosques!

  • @ambardarlane Everything is COMPLETELY FALSE. Cats are still allowed inside the Ka'aba today, they were never banned. Muslims do not hate cats, a cat once gave birth in the pocket of the Prophet Mohammad (PBUH). And there was a companion of the prophet named "Abu Hurairah" which means "The father of the cats" because he used to play with cats a lot. Women are allowed inside the Mosques, you can see thousands of them in this video. The only correct statement you made is that dogs are not allowed.

  • @SHUR1312 May be Mohammad has kept that Pagan Tradition still associated with Islam!

  • @ambardarlane What? Pagan tradition? I don't even know what your talking about anymore...

  • @ambardarlane so, you're saying that my sister, my mom, and my grandmom should be killed because they prayed in a muslim mosque?

    really?

    you are one dumb person, it just makes me laughs at the fails of you infidels.

  • @TheQaz95 LOOOL so this person is saying that i will be killed for praying tarawee namaz at the mosque wiht my sisters and mum? LOOOL..well its been 21 years and nothing happened yet ;D ...just spam the guy. he has nothing useful or any facts that he can discuss

  • we aren't suppose to hurt any animal... only to sacrifice them in the name of Allah. Self-defense is another issue, since i don't know much about it, I will stop here. Allah knows best

  • @stardustodoragon The word in Arabic is "Ayaam" which is the plural of "Yawm" which means day. So it is actually days, not periods of time. The translation is accurate.

  • Thats your proof? Slaughtered animals? If you put water in a bag, and make a hole in the bag, does the water come out? Yes? Is the water flowing?

  • @SHUR1312 You might want to check some real history books. if you honestly think people didn't understand some basic anatomy before Islam and that it took "divine knowledge" to find out that blood flows you are living in a fantasy world.

  • Shur. PLEASE research evolution beofre you make these refutations. No offense, but you look a bit stupid. Evolution doesn't claim that a lizard, put into a water tank will turn into an alligator. You need time, slow changing environments, an opening in the food chain, a source of food, etc. What I find interesting, however, is that we never find an intermediate between two species. Let alone between reptile/bird, fish/amphibean, etc.

  • @shaamanplatinum Evolution doesn't predict intermediates between modern species. The further back in time a common ancestor lived, the more time there was to diverge. A chimp looks more similar to a human than a frog , Its no surprise that fossil dating and stratigraphy puts hominids only in the last few million years but amphibians go back for hundreds of millions of years.

    Here are intermediates you asked for

    Fish amphibian intermediate = Tiktaalik

    Reptile bird intermediate = Archeopterix

  • @DutchNordic I didn't ask for those intermediaries, I said 'let alone'. I was talking about between species, not types.

  • @shaamanplatinum Its always an intermediate between species, Tiktaalik and Archaeopterix are just extra special because they are also intermediate between higher classes.

  • @DutchNordic

    What's always? If you mean all animals, what's a species if no animal is in it and is an inbetween?

  • @shaamanplatinum I mean that an intermediate is not a single animal but an entire species of animals that all look the same. In time they either change as a whole species or an isolated group branched off from the original population.

    If you look at certain island populations you see just that happening. Is causes great problems for naming the animals because instead of a clear distinction between species its just a grey area.

    "Ringspecies" are another great example of this.

  • @DutchNordic Arguing with you is pointless.

  • @SHUR1312

    Actually, it's quite interesting.The problem is, that you are like many people. You run out of refutations and give up. I gave proofs for my beliefs in evolution (but not man) and the big bang in Qur'an, and you probably went and asked your dad or something, who told you that evolution and big bang weren't Islamic concepts.

    Listen. More in Qur'an becomes apparent as time goes on and man learns more. Stick to PRINCIPLES, not TRADITIONS. Traditions are culture. Principles are Ethics.

  • @shaamanplatinum Brother I dont mean to be rude or anything, but I am a Hafiz, so I know whats in the Quran and what it means.

    "Lo! your Lord is Allah Who created the heavens and the earth in six Days, then He established Himself upon the Throne, directing all things. There is no intercessor (with Him) save after His permission. That is Allah, your Lord, so worship Him. Oh, will ye not remind?" Surah Yunus, Ayah 3.

    It clearly says here the the Heavens and the earth were created in six days.

  • @shaamanplatinum Also, my father is a scholar, so if I did ask him, he would give me an answer of authority. The Quran is meant to be explained by scholars. You can't just read an Ayah and interpret for your self. Its much more complicated. It took entire life times to write Tafseers. You have to look at the Asbab-An-Nuzul (situation when the verse was revealed), hadeeth on the subject, and much more. If you don't believe me, ask a scholar.

  • @DutchNordic

    So according to you species switch from one to another with no intermediary generations. Ok, let's find the species link between Canis Lupus and its ancestor. You will say that there is a generation where the parents of the wolf are the ancestor species and the child is the wolf. But really, there is no such thing as a species. A species is just a certain order of DNA in a cell, which forms the make-up of an animal. Which we have classified ourselves. It's a human concept.

  • THE CAT TOUCHING THE KAABA IS CUTE. POINT. OUT.

  • I just noticed how this discussion formed around watching a cat touch the Kaaba. Maybe this happened so that we could learn more from each other.

  • A lot of people are misunderstanding things. To be a Muslim means to believe in:

    Allah, The Angels, The Books, The Prophets, Life After Death.

  • it is the most beautiful place over earth. n a real image of what islam is

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  • @dakotagerman1 How do you know that?

  • Thats awesome

  • the cat is now the Holy Cat of Islam.

  • The cat wanted to know whats so special about this stupid cube. it couldn't understand the silly rituals those humans waste their time with and lived happily ever after.

  • @DutchNordic

    its actually you who don't understand,

    how hundred of millions of people from different races, ages and sexes go together and pray to the same destination, to the same one true god, 5 times a day, 7 days a week.

    going through all the trouble to do so.

    its because Islam is truly great, and all of those people know that its the truth.

    and only those who open their hearts and mind will know its the truth as well.

    may Allah guide you to the right path.

  • @SedoSan Thats a really bad argument. If you do a little searching on the internet you will find out that there are also millions of other people wasting their time to a completely different religion.

    And if you look at history you will find that there were billions of other people that wasted even more time to yet different religions that don't even exist anymore.

    Guess what: Islam is just religion nr. 1083 And muslims are no different than those billions of followers from other religions.

  • @DutchNordic yet, islam still continuing and did not end as well as for 1400 years now. and its even growing more. it doesnt matter which number Islam came in, what matter is that among all of them, islam will stand on top as being the right religion. here is a small statistic for you. 1970: 100,000 muslim in the US 2008: 9,000,000 muslims in the US 2038: 50,000,000 can you comprehend the numbers? Islam will never die or finish Numbers are from this vid watch?v=6-3X5hIFXYU
  • @SedoSan Here's another statistic for you: Billions and billions of other people have had the exact same confidence and dedication as you have but to a completely different religion.

    Because they replaced evidence with faith. Faith based on fear and the thought of immortality. Its the same old formula that every religion is based on.

    It says: Follow this book and believe these stories and you will be rewarded when you are dead! Its perfect because nobody will ever come back to expose the lie.

  • @DutchNordic

    yes, you're correct, its the same "old" formula, but is it wrong because its old?

    Yes, I fear going to hell so much. But this is not the only reason, I think my love for islam and how it teaches the ways of life is the actual main reason.

    it teaches love and compassion, it teaches to not discriminate between races, we're all equal humans.

    and just because we defend ourselves in wars, does not mean at all we're not peaceful.

  • @SedoSan I don't think you need religion to be a good person. Or that just god would expect millions to worship him daily and condemn otherwise people to eternal suffering for not doing so. On top of that i just don't believe in a god. I haven't seen the evidence

  • @DutchNordic

    Good, at least i know now you have logic in your brain.

    I agree with you 100%, everyone should just be a good person, but who defines what is good?

    in the US dating women is 100% modest and being good, but in arab world "even non-muslims" consider it being not modest. So who is to judge what is good and what is bad?

    and who's better to decide than your creator himself?

    and Islam success highly in doing so, as it guides you through all of life aspects!

  • @DutchNordic

    as for not believing,

    if there was a hard evidence, wouldn't most people believe? but then how will this be a test to see if you believe or disbelieve?

    you have the whole universe infront of you to believe,

    if you will say "Evolution Theory", i will reply, "Intelligent design Theory" is much stronger evidence than evolution. and you can search online.

    here is a very simple question,

    "who created earth/universe?"

  • @SedoSan Intelligent design is completely unscientific and unsupported in my opinion

    "who created the earth / universe"

    Earth: forces of nature

    Universe: nobody knows

    Why do you think its a "who" and not a "what"?

  • @DutchNordic

    ok smart guy

    "Earth", "WHAT" caused the forces of nature to start?

    "Universe", you already don't have an answer...

    everything in earth leads you to intelligent design,

    the process of the butterfly life, how animals are born and live, even your body, the eye, the nose, even your shape. do you know what are the chances all of those are by "nature"?

    it is like a hurricane goes over a dump and makes an perfect full size airplane out of it...

    in other words 0%

    ZERO%

  • @SedoSan "WHAT" caused the forces of nature to start?"

    I don't know, having no answer is better than to have the wrong answer.

    Seeing intelligent design is like watching trough a religious lens. You ignore the signs of common ancestory, the redundancy in our dna and our body plan, etc.

    Evolution is not like a hurricane in a junkyard. It provides a mechanism that is testable and proven. Thats why scientists all over the world have accepted it and moved on already.

  • @DutchNordic

    Yes, you're correct. But what about the setting of the universe? I, myself, believe in evolution, because it is mentioned in Qur'an. I also believe in the Big Bang, because that's mentioned too. I really don't have time to show you everything, but the chance of the universe setting itself in a way that it doesn't collapse in on itself, or even happening at all, is obviously smaller than 0.0%.

  • @shaamanplatinum Where is evolution and the big bang mentioned in the Quran? Just curious.

  • @SHUR1312

    And God created every/each walker/creeper/crawler from water, so from them who walks (moves) on its belly , and from them who walks on two feet, and from them who walks on four, God creates what He wills/wants , that truly God (is) on every thing capable/powerful . Sura 'The Light'. 24:45

    The main indication of evolution here is the 'from them' part. If you just said that some this and some that had 2 or 4 legs, then it's variation, but it's not. It's step-by-step development.

  • @SHUR1312

    21:30Do the Unbelievers not see that the heavens and the earth were joined together,before We clove them asunder?We made every living thing from water.Will they then not believe?

    41:11Then He turned to the heaven when it was smoke:He said to it and to the earth:Come together willingly or unwillingly. They said, We do come together in willing obedience.

    51:47With power and skill did We construct the Universe For it is We who create the vastness of space. Verily we are expanding it.

  • @shaamanplatinum

    Now if you look at this, the Big Bang theory entails that all the energy and mass in this universe is and expanded form of one VERY dense atom. So dense that it is visibly the size of a pinhead. Heavens and earth joined together. Then this atom split from pressure and released energy and more basic elements into the universe. This can only occur if space only existed in a proximity large enough for this dense atom to exist. Then this space began to expand, and so the atom.

  • @shaamanplatinum

    The 2nd verse here shows the universe in a state near to smoke. Scientists have forumlated that this was the form of the universe when the first laws of physics had come into play but the stars and things like that hadn't formed yet. Raw matter was floating all over the place in 'clouds.'

    The 3rd verse shows the expandsion of the universe.

    NOTE: The verses aren't in the order that they are arranged in the Holy Quran.

  • @shaamanplatinum Behold! Thy Lord said to the angels: "I am about to create man, from sounding clay from mud moulded into shape; (28) "When I have fashioned him (in due proportion) and breathed into him of My spirit, fall ye down in obeisance unto him." (29) Surah Al Hijr 28-29. Its made clear from this verse that Allah created the humans HIMSELF. He created Adam PBUH and Hawa, they were the first humans. Then they had children, and their children had children and so on.

  • @SHUR1312 Its made clear in the Quran that evolution is wrong. Do you see any Hadeeth were the Prophet says that Muslims believe in evolution? The Quran was revealed to the Prophet and he had the best knowledge of it. You can not just interpret what you want from the Quran. The mufasireen spent their entire lives explaining the Quran.

  • @SHUR1312

    I think you misunderstand me, brother. Humans have NOT evolved, we are the pure products of our lord, made from nothing. According to this theory, which I'm not completely in faith in, other animals began in the sea and then evolved. So, err... Let's try that one again.

  • @shaamanplatinum A 1500 yr old mythological book is not a good reason to believe something. Science produces testable theory's.

    Nobody knows what caused the big bang or what exists outside our universe. There are several hypotheses but none are proven.

  • @DutchNordic So you can believe in the big bang when it has no proof, but when we explain to you the greatness of Allah WITH PROOF you deny it? Strange.

  • @SHUR1312 I believe in the big bang because of proof. I haven't seen any proof of Allah.

  • @DutchNordic Ok, prove to me the big bang happend and why it happend.

  • @SHUR1312 Check wikipedia/bigbang

    The big bang theory doesn't say why it happened or what was before it. What we know is that the universe started dense and small, expanded, first as a homogeneous cloud of gas, then gravity caused the structure we see today.

  • @DutchNordic Oh, so you can believe in the big bang when "Wikipedia" explains it, but you can't explain it to me. But when you are shown the Quran, with all its miracles you can't? Why do you need to give me a link to wikipedia. Just tell me how it happened in simple terms, if you can. But you can't.

  • @SHUR1312 Well, if you scroll down on the wikipedia page you will see references to scientific work. If you want you can also investigate all the claims made in this article.

    How do you know the koran is right?

    Oh yea, a 1500 year old guy says it was privately revealed to him by an angel. That settles it i guess.

  • @DutchNordic The Quran has many miracles. I can tell you about some if you want. But the big bang theory is totally baseless. If its right, and organisms evolve, then how come no other organism has evolved since us humans?

  • @SHUR1312 The big bang theory is only about cosmology. Its about the evolution of the universe, not life.

    But evolution happened too. Its an accepted scientific theory just like gravity or atomic theory.

    There are in fact many examples of evolution in plants and animals and a complete understanding of the process that causes it.

  • @DutchNordic So if I put a lizard in water, it will evolve into an alligator? If you say the universe started from an atom, where did the atom come from?

  • @SHUR1312

    You would need a whole population of lizards and a gradually changing environment over millions of years.

    Then they still wouldn't become alligators, but in the absence of real alligators they might evolve a similar body plan/way of life.

    The big bang theory doesn't say how it started. You can measure a "big bang" even though you didn't know what caused it. You might say it was a firecracker but without evidence it wouldn't be science.

  • @DutchNordic You keep dodging this question. What PROOF do you have that the big bang happend? Don't tell me "Scientists have proven it". That doesn't tell me anything. And how come no big bangs are happening now a days? One rule of making a scientific fact is that an experiment has to be repeated sevreal times before it can be called accurate. How come there haven't been any other big bangs? If put a whole populations of lizards in water, they would all drowned.

  • @SHUR1312 I also understand the evidence but it wouldn't fit in a YouTube comment.

    If you put a population of lizards in a swimming pool, then yes they would drown. But in nature there is also slow change: islands are born, swamps turn into deserts, etc.

    Quick changes such as Ice ages, meteor impacts cause mass extinctions that are usually followed by bursts of evolution. For example. after the dinosaurs died, the mammals became dominant .

  • @DutchNordic Send me the "evidence" in a message. How come there haven't been any big bangs? I've never seen one, have you?

  • @SHUR1312 Ok, i will send you a message.

    The big bang is not a "theory of everything" and it doesn't have an answer to questions such as "what happened before the big bang" or "why don't big bangs happen all the time"

    it just a description on what happened during the history of the universe, based on observations and natural laws such as " hubbles law" and Einsteins equations.

  • @DutchNordic So if you can believe in the big bang, which is so far fetched, why can't you believe in God? Religion makes way more sense than that.

  • @SHUR1312

    A big bang isn't some planetary explosion or anything. A BIG BANG CAN ONLY HAPPEN IN A PRIMORDIAL UNIVERSE. As in, a universe just big enough for a pin-sized atom to exist in. Like I said, this atom is so dense, that if there was enough space, it would immediately explode.

    First: What is an explosion? It is an expulsion of matter as a result of top-heavy outward pressure in an object. Not just some 'BOOM' and shockwaves.

    Then our Lord created more space and this atom DID explode.

  • @shaamanplatinum Brother, Islam does not believe in a big bang. I probably don't have as much knowledge as you about it, but what I do know is that an atom can't appear out of no where and explode, and I know that Allah created the universe and there are no hadeeth to my knowledge that say anything about the big bang.

  • @SHUR1312 I have encountered many Muslims who believe that the Koran does not contradict the big bang theory. They mention "miracle verses" that are supposed to back it up. "we split the heaven and the earth and drove them asunder" or something like that.

    One popular Muslim scholar Zakir Naik mentions it all the time.

  • @DutchNordic I have challenged many atheists to find a fault in the Quran which goes against modern science. But they can't. The hadeeth say that Shaytan (the devil) goes through the body like the way BLOOD flows through the body. It was only recently discovered that blood flows through out the body. But the Hadeeth state it from over 1,400 years ago. There are many more like this.

  • @SHUR1312 People have known for 100.000 years that blood flows trough a body. Whenever they slaughtered an animal (or human) they would have seen the evidence for that.

    You also believe it is possible for a Shaytan to flow in a human body without any evidence. You just believe it because the Koran says so.

  • @DutchNordic

    Actually, no. They thought that blood was just latently sitting in the body.

    Also, I didn't mean intermediaries like Archeopterix and Tiktaalik. Those are species. I meant, how come we never find intermediaries between species? The Big Bang is only a name for the way the universe was created. People say that science and religion cannot mix. I disagree. Science is the human understanding of God's creation, the Universe, and his rules, limits, and laws he has put on it.

  • @SHUR1312 Also, Muhammad (a.s) always explained things in a way that humans at the time could comprehend. Please don't argue for the sake of arguing.Read the earlier posts again, because I think that if we continue we may end up having a circular argument.The universe was made from a single point of matter (Quran, and modern science). All the matter and energy currently in our universe was within this point(quran says that the heavens and the earths were one unit and then He Cleft them asunder)

  • @DutchNordic may be you don't need proofs of allah but may be you beleive in A GOD don't you? cause the purpose is to beleive in a god who created everything...