U.S. Springfield Model 1884 Trapdoor Rifle in .45-70

[wanderson9217]

bem antiguado

[wanderson9217]

canhoto hehehe

[wanderson9217]

I love all the springfields :)

[ryanjames170]

no to start a argument but trailboss powder would work good in that good as it would replicate BP specs. and would not go over the pressures of the original loadings

[mindeloman]

no argument over clip or magazine on this model.

[MW3Spec]

nice gun man

[VForVendetta1116]

Thumbs up if you love this weapon:)

[SuperRip7]

The best weapon before the "repeater".

[RoaringChidori1]

fucking love this gun!

i inherited one from my grandfather, he was a collector. blessed be thy soul he is pasted on now. but i fire his rifle in honor of being his grandson.

[twistedyogert]

To bad clips did not exist then

[rmcnabb]

That's a really nice Trapdoor. Any idea on the history? I've never seen one with an octagon barrel - not even in photographs. Maybe after market customization? Or did Springfield ship the gun in that form? Thanks for posting.

[blackcerberus999]

Gorgeous piece of history. I'd be concerned about shooting modern loads with it too, but I'm glad it all worked out for you guys. Got to love the tried and true, built-to-last firearms from back then. Great video

[FlourescentPotato]

@blackcerberus999 They just can't make them look that badass anymore.

[ferromerocolt44]

i have one dear but why mine has a circular barrel ????

[2024JayZ]

@ferromerocolt44 He said they changed the barrel ours is original with a round barrel and longer

[ferromerocolt44]

@2024JayZ thanx bro i dont shoot it al all i mean it maybe explote in my face lol what about you

[snakeanium]

A left handed shooter!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[GhostRecon511]

love this gun

[driedjello]

a beauty in my favorite caliber. thanks for posting!

[twombonu]

These old rifles will outlast every high tech weapon ever built,.

[bigdogbuc]

Beautiful rifle! I love "whump" of the blackpowder. People at the range had no idea "what just happened" when I'd touch off those 45-70's loaded with BP. Smoke, concussion....love it. Thanks for the video!

[IonicRipper]

What a great piece of history :)

[aquosman99]

how does it eject the shell? (I know stupid question right) what i mean is does it have an extractor?

[Gbust2000]

@aquosman99 When you open the trap door it will eject the shell backwards.

[wade239]

I WANT ONE lol someone sell me theres :(

[winkskiller]

Its funny how people see the weapons in video games then come in videos like this one saying shit like them knew something about guns.

[ak47proshooter]

@winkskiller yeah i know like the guy at the top it can hold four at a time when you can clearly see room for just 1.

[minielk454]

beutiful! and just a suggestion while on the topic of carbines... i think you should try to make a vid about the smith and the sharps carbines from the civil war. they are so under-rated.

[softaapje]

srry i tought it held 4 rounds but after some other movies

i know it only holds one round a time

srr :)

[softaapje]

no it holds 4 rounds a time

[GunWebsites]

@softaapje

you couldn't be more wrong

[DirtyFrigginHarry]

@GunWebsites

He's making a reference to the game Red Dead Redemption. The trapdoor carbine in that holds 4 rounds before reloading.

[creekrocker]

@GunWebsites no he could have said 5 shots. LOL

[PGTRegard]

@softaapje Only in Red Dead Redemption.

[irishmobster60]

@softaapje typical video game kid........ face to palm........

[MrMarcusLangseth]

@softaapje red dead redemption much?

[softaapje]

@MrMarcusLangseth go annoy somebody else!

i made a mistake because somebody told me it held 4 rounds ok?

forgive my english

[MrMarcusLangseth]

@softaapje Who told you.... red dead redemption? lol

[MrMarcusLangseth]

@softaapje who told you? john marston? lol

[ThePlaceCannel]

@softaapje you play red dead too much, that game couldnt have been more wrong

[Lukasmbtv]

@softaapje you have been playing too much Red Dead redemption.

[MrThisDarkness]

@softaapje Enough call of duty for you kid....

leave this kind of videos to the older people....

[Hteam1422]

@MrThisDarkness its from Red Dead Redemption, a game about the old west

[MrThisDarkness]

@Hteam1422 Indeed it's a game, this is real life....

i think i know enough about your Gun-Knowledge

[ashisturtwig123]

@softaapje how fucking how

[Treblaine]

@softaapje As fun a video game as Red Dead Redemption is, if they are going to completely make up weapon stats then they should completely make up weapon names to go with them.

Really there was a leap straight from single-shot, to 8-5 round capacity repeating rifles, there were none of higher power with just a 4-shot capacity. Game balance or historical accuracy, I think they could have made a better choice.

[Panzerzimmerpflanze]

Beautiful looking sporter trapdoor. I know it's heretical to say it, but I like the look of that gun more than the original style.

[friken0frank2]

Uncles got an original 1881 trapdoor springfield. Thing is freaking awesome!

[Sgtlaplante]

i like the look of the 1873 springfield trapdoor better but this one is still cool

[carig121]

is it the rifle used by custer men at little big horn? is it true that this model with no repetition system was one of the reasons of the defeat?

[educatedcockroach]

@carig121 Correct. Their tendency to jam (due to inferior ammunition at the time) was their main failing at the battle, and that and their single-shot ability were such a handicap that natives didn't even pick them up as trophies afterward, nearly all the rifles at Little Big Horn were collected by the Army afterwards. Quite a few are still around with collectors.

[sackcheck]

Thats cool how it ejects the spent cartridge :)

[Sturmmann]

the fully adjustable peep sight on any rifle reflects alot about the shooter.

anybody worth his salt invests in them, others are simply retards who willfully wont advance out of the stone age v notch sights

[captainbigmac]

That is one large cartridge right there.

[rebelofficer6]

You guys were loading this thing in an unsafe manner. When you pull open the door to chamber the round, you are supposed to pull the hammer to "half cock" (halfway upwards) until it locks into place. The trigger cannot be accidentally pulled that way, and it acts as a safety. You don't pull the hammer to "full cock" until you have chambered the round and shut the trapdoor and are ready to fire. Be careful next time. Keep on shooting!

[hovanti]

That's a fine old rifle there! It has so much more "character" than my H&R repro. trapdoor.

[blackwolfofkilmore]

That is a nice rifle that spent shell could take your eye out if you did not pay attention

[Polybun]

the person with the camera on this one is a fucking idiot.

[you2ubeviewer]

Whoever had heard about this gun before pawn stars, you're awesome

[Hteam1422]

@you2ubeviewer What about red dead redemption lol

[you2ubeviewer]

@Hteam1422 im somewhat of a gamer, but I haven't played red dead redemption yet lol.

[lewisgunner1]

ok this may sound weird but its true how come when muskets were u know advanced weapons why did'nt they make them trap door like put the powder and bullet in the trap door and shoot it like in the 1700 like really come on its so obious were the gunsmiths dum in a game called pirates online muskets are trap door

[GunWebsites]

@lewisgunner1

According to your logic, people in the future will say you are dumb now cause you aren't already making what will exist in the future.. get to work

[lewisgunner1]

i mean how come they did'nt put the powder with the ball in the back like in this gun instead of ramming it down the muzzle so obious dont u think

[GunWebsites]

@lewisgunner1

Are you seriously going to keep ragging on people for not knowing to invent things before they were invented?

[markch81]

@GunWebsites People in the 1700's probably DID think of loading it from the back, lewisgunner1 is right in that it's an obvious improvement.  I can see someone thinking as they were reloading a musket that he wished he didn't have to turn the stinkin' thing upright to load each shot. However, having the back end of the barrel fully closed adds a great deal of strength, and it took awhile for metallurgy to catch up to allow a weakness like a door at the back of the barrel.

[benissocoolFACT]

@GunWebsites I think he means why didn't they make muskets non barrel loading. But here is is ^^ non barrel loading...

[rebelofficer6]

Because this gun fires a cartridge as opposed to a handloaded round. The British did use a breech-loading musket in the Revolutionary War, and the United States briefly experimented with breech-loading flintlocks during the early nineteeth century. Ultimately, during those times, breech-loading weapons were both expensive to make and contradicted traditional firearm practices. As a result of these factors, the efforts for a standardized breech-loader were abandoned until after the Civil War.

[runescape44411]

@lewisgunner1 a little too late maybe think of doing that when its 1812..

[Aetherius74]

@lewisgunner1 because if they did that, the trap door on the musket would blow out and prob kill the shooter. bullets contain the explosion of the power and makes this technology possible.

[Sturmmann]

your next step would be getting a good loop sling for that rifle

[zachk1983]

@lewisgunner1 In short, because when using loose powder, the powder needed to be compressed and this couldn't be efficantly accomplished with breechloading. There were some hybrids that attempted this, but they were expensive, complicated and as I said before, not that efficant.

[minielk454]

@lewisgunner1 in the civil war they had the smith carbine that was sorta like that...

[PoliticalIncorrectly]

@lewisgunner1 I know this comment is old, but it's still worth responding to. For starters, the idea of breach loading had been around for hundreds of years before this. A few older guns than this, like the Ferguson Rifle used in small numbers during the American Revolution, were in fact viable breach loading guns. The problem with breach loading in the years before the self contained cartridge was how to effectively seal the breach during firing to keep the expanding gases from escaping.

[PoliticalIncorrectly]

@lewisgunner1 With a self-contained cartridge, this is no longer an issue since the brass case expands when the gun is fired and hermetically seals the breach. But one of the disadvantages of living in a time before something is invented is that you have no idea how that something is supposed to look or work. So in short, it simply wasn't invented until somebody invented it.

[kullas924]

@lewisgunner1 have you ever even read about firearms history first they had cartridge a major devlopment with each round overall capable as the last one. a magzine requires well simple in the mind you need to take everything into mind. the gases of the fired round and affect on the barrel and magazine also the process of ejection of the spent cartridge. really read more about something before you comment

[darthreven9999]

@lewisgunner1 because it was too much work and they didn't have the machinery to be able to make a tight enough fit to seal the trap door, in other words it either blows smoke in the face of the user or the gun explodes...

[Lassannn]

@lewisgunner1 Odimus te.

[Lukasmbtv]

@lewisgunner1 Because you need to add pressure for the powder...And periods in your sentences.

[lewisgunner1]

what ever

[USMarineRifleman0311]

@GunWebsites

actually you are the misinformed one here. What he is speaking off was invented in two points in history.

Ferguson, a british army officer invented a breech loading musket in the mid 1700s. About a 100 were made and issued.

US Model 1819 Hall was an American version with a breech block.

[Polybun]

@lewisgunner1 Why didn't your mother abort you? Seeing how you turned out, she should have. No punctuation, piss poor spelling, and a total failure at logic.

Do us all a favor and kill yourself.

[BlankPicketSign]

@lewisgunner1

Because muskets were basically small Cannons.

No one came up with the idea because they didn't see any problem in the original design.

You are a Futuristic Space Man... so it makes sense that you would look at Muskets a little funny.

But back then, the breach loaded rifles were an amazing advancement in technology.

[domu007]

@lewisgunner1 The invention of a percussion cap in early 1800 allowed to make complex bullets (gunpowder and ball together), so that it could be ignited just by hitting hammer. And then, the development of advanced guns went quite fast. Some time earlier, there was no concept how to ignite the gunpowder without creating sparks, so the gunpowder had to be loose and loaded into the front side of the barrel.

[RoyalDog214]

@lewisgunner1 They have similar rifle like that, but it was a breech loader not a trapdoor. You can't have a trapdoor rifle until the discovery of a cartridge, which wasn't until the near the end of the American Civil War. Some rifles such as the Fergusson rifle were field to several British troops in the Revolutionary War, but were later replaced by Brown Bess musket because they were just too expensive. Btw, people have known about the breechloader since the 1400s.

[redmunkee]

@lewisgunner1 And this children, is why you shouldn't type while sleep walking.

[MUSICALGUNNUT45]

@lewisgunner1 Go on wikipedia and look up the ferguson rifle. its a breech loading flintlock that was used durring the american revoloution so the technology was there it just was too expensive and took too long to make to be in common use.

[lewisgunner1]

@MUSICALGUNNUT45 thanks

[jmoney6565]

@lewisgunner1 because the power of the the powder blast would blow the trap door open or atleast let pressure out. which would mean a less powerful shot and an explosion in the shooters face.

[lewisgunner1]

@jmoney6565 thanks

[Lukasmbtv]

@lewisgunner1 Sorry, but your an idiot. "Pirates Online" Isn't that game for 6 year olds?

[lewisgunner1]

@Lukasmbtv techinally it is T for Teen

[Lukasmbtv]

@lewisgunner1 XD

[lewisgunner1]

@Lukasmbtv but I put that commet a long time ago when I was still new to guns and didnt know much

[USMarineRifleman0311]

@lewisgunner1 The Ferguson musket and the US 1819 Hall were two examples of what youre talking about. They were not plagued by poor innovatiness of the people of that time, but rather dumbasses who didnt see the advantage of being able to load a wider bullet from the rear of the barrel and getting better velocities in that fashion.

[deadtofall666]

my uncle has one of these, we dont shoot it tho. too antique

[khaliddrb1]

Damn !! that begin to be some recoil ! =D

[Rodriguer2000]

IT only fires one round at a time?

[GunWebsites]

@Rodriguer2000

yes

[Rodriguer2000]

@GunWebsites Ah that's too bad =(

[Treblaine]

@Rodriguer2000 one shot is usually all you need.

[gunny556fly]

@Treblaine

oh yeah what 45 70 yeah they wont be getting up any time soon!

[lewisgunner1]

yes sir

[TaZ101SAGA]

Man, you just gotta love the oldies! haha

[firefurt]

such a beautifal gun

[ManvsMachine7]

awesome!! love these old rifles

[weaverflytyer]

how much are these rifles worth?

[AlienZygote010]

actually yes. one of my distant cousins was hung by a mob after the war. even though he fought in the confederate army, our family was jewish and therefor abolitionist. that just goes to show you that the one sided history you learn in school is fallacy. my family had good relations with townsfolk but this guy moved away to another town

[wtfomgbbqrfl]

answer the damn phone, trrrrrr trrr trrrr trr. drivin me nuts

[truckr74]

do you reload your own cartages? if so what loads are you using? 70 grains or are the reduced?

[mark3smle]

no . i have logged in quite a few rounds of 45-70. i even reload. my girlfriend's parents killed plenty of vcs. im not really a fan of assault rifles, but battle rifles. i guess its just personal preference. alot of people and animals are not breathing because of the 45-70, but i have a 5.56mm bolt gun and i respect its authority for pinpoint accuracy. just out of merit, famliarity and the comfort a big bore affords, id go with it. the 45-70 has been around for 140 years and theres a reason

[richintalent]

My dad had one of these- it was supposed to be willed to me upon his death, along with his Mauser M98K, and .450/400 Westley/Richards elephant gun, but the 'family' hired a shyster who swindled me out of them.

[mark3smle]

id rather the Trapdoor rifle or carbine over any M16 or M4. waste of ammo trying to put someone down at distance with thouse. 45-70 is buffalo and big game worthy. it will take just about any big game on earth. i would hate to see what it would do to an Afghan on the other side of the mountain.

[AlienZygote010]

typical rhetoric of an old gun enthusiast, combined with the typical diatribe of someone who has read a lot more magazines than logged in rounds. there are lots of little yellow and brown people taking a permanent dirt nap because of the 5.56mm. just go ask a former VC or haaji what he thinks about the m-16. being on the business end, they have a lot more respect for it, i bet after seeing their friends die from internal bleeding from what would be a flesh wound from another weapon.

[martykean1967]

What a treat to see a piece of history in action! Thanks!!! 5 stars

[MakarovMike]

the 45-70 is a Great Weapon i have a US army springfield 45-70 1884 and its great to shoot!

[YouMockMe]

WOW, that shot was no joke

[109usofkongsberg]

so after you've shot the bear, the cartridge will fly into your eye and blind you?:P not clever

[niknak1830]

120years old o.o

[AlienZygote010]

my family had a 160 year old shotgun until it got stolen. my family used it to protect themselves from bandits and renegade awol yankee soldiers that terrorized the south after the civil war. they also used it to protect their share croppers, whites, blacks, and indians alike from the klan

[niknak1830]

@AlienZygote010 OH MG...it still works mate?

[AlienZygote010]

it did. percussion caps and black powder. it was stolen when my brother took it to get appraised. he hangs out with stupid asses and obviously one of them broke into his house. nice friends. now a piece of family history is forever gone. the last time i fired (without shot only) it was at a civil war reenactment, doing a indian guerilla impression at a living history event (my family is cherokee). it was fired only without shot because the lead alloy we have is much harder today.

[niknak1830]

@AlienZygote010 some friends o.0

[deathwing98]

@AlienZygote010 So they shot at the KKK?

[ibanez35924]

@deathwing98 literal they may have.

[gangbangin69]

that ejector rocks !

i have no idea how it works!

[Dale767]

beautiful gun

[crocksrock101]

this was on Pawn Stars yesterday!!!

[m91nagant]

im an AR guy myself but for some reason I love old trapdoors excellent vid!

[drivepro]

they dont make em like that anymore...

[TheHiddenPart]

Seventy grains of holy black must leave quite a LOT of soot. That rifle looks in excellent condition though.

[nuttyape]

great vid man!

in love how it was clearly built to last.

[bierrum105]

i like how the caseing comes out and flys at you

[julaer]

Fantastic piece of history .

[ramtron1775]

sorry flaged on accident, good video.

[weretaler]

awesome

[TheBudgetArmory]

What a great old rifle. Thanks for sharing!

[kildas]

wooow ... that thing shoots like a cannon

[dp665]

awsome gun i love seeing working pieces of history, and in my opion art, like this.

[DavinDaGeek]

I do believe I seen this Rifle on the show Pawn Stars, the pawn store workers guys had to test the gun out before they bought it, and it shot perfectly.=)

[AnimeFanatic5602]

I know that Uberti makes modern reproductions of the Trapdoor, so it's probably better to shoot those than an original piece of history.

[stealinator]

that is so awsome

[krazy45cat]

Way cool . Shootin' a piece of history . 5*

[Dmajorproductions]

wow, lots of kick! and usually black powder doesnt have that much kick, more like push. imagine shooting .45 70 with smokeless powder! bam!

[lynstly]

nice, i actually have one of those... mine has the round barrel, it's great fun, have shot it once (decent 45-70 ammo isn't cheap)... it's in great shape except the front sling mount is broken from who knows when

[blackquiver]

whats the grain on that baby

[stratocaster5]

@blackquiver about 450

[blackquiver]

cool..love fireams...

[amazingaustin13]

Whats the cost of one of those??