Another point is that training with a computer is useful if you want to train yourself vs another computer. Training with a computer for a human vs human battle is not as good as training with a human for a human vs human battle. Computers see defenses that humans dont, and psychology plays no role in computer training that you can use against a human and that computer analysis will not discover
Anand had help from the top players because he is a fine person. Players really like him. He's kind, polite, humble, supportive, to list a few traits. No knock on others, but if it were, say, Aronian/Topalov, you would not see these top players all calling up Aronian.
TLDR: it's a credit to Anand the person that everyone wanted to help him out.
Ahahaha! I just read the Chessbase article ... Anand had Carlsen, Kasparov, Kramnik and Giri on his team. Lol!
Its like all these top players must *HATE* Topalov with such a passion that they are willing to help one of their own rivals to beat him. That's the price Topalov pays for toilet-gate I guess.
His whole switch to the d4 repertoire makes SO much more sense now. If you can train yourself with 3 of the top players in the world, you can pick it up. :)
Seems kind of strange that two of the strongest contenders for the title actually wanted to help Vishy defend his crown. Kramnik and Carlen will most likely be the ones to watch out for. I suspect they actually wanted an insight into his preparation so they could figure him out when they go up against him next. But of course, the last thing Kramnik would have wanted was for Topalov to beat Anand, that would simply seem to justify Topalov's (false!?) accusations in 2006.
@tatlas Cheparinov, Erwin L'ami and Jan Smeets (both from the Netherlands) and Rybka 4 were Topalov's seconds; I'm not sure about Quinteros and Vallejo-Pons..
Anand had Carlsen *AND* Kasparov to help him with his preparation? That's unbelievable! That's a rather incredible advantage.
Actually, the real long term issue is that Anand is likely to have to face Carlsen next time. So even the information he shared with Kasparov is likely to make it back to his new protege'.
@websnarf , Well, Topalov had a 112 core Rybka cluster to help him, which I would think is far stronger than any human grandmaster, including Kasparov and Carlsen. So I don't think Anand had a real advantage compared to Topalov.
But you make a very interesting point about the next championship if Carlsen were to make it. I think then there would not be any doubt that Kasparov would be actively coaching Carlsen to beat Anand.
@aj2718281 Computer analysis is best when one computer plays another computer. Computer analysis critically does not know how to exploit human weaknesses, and everybody knows this. You want to find a win for white, but instead the computer will show you "perfect play" leading to draw which a human under whatever pressures will overlook. Carlsen and Kasparov and Kramnik, on the other hand, have human psychology insight maybe more valuable
@aj2718281 after recent comments from Carlsen saying his "intuition is clearly better than Garry's" I've noticed Kasparov's attitude towards Carlsen has become a little bit more competitive, as witnessed in some of his commentary during the Carlsen vs the World match. Of course it's just pure speculation, but I get the feeling Kasparov wants to see Carlsen lose to give him a bit of humility.
@aj2718281 112 core is maybe stronger than regular rybka, but even regular rybka is 3200 elo or something crazy like this, which anyone has access to, so I don't see how 112 core rybka is straight away an advantage. Has he found anything with it that you can't find with 4 core rybka? I doubt it
@QuakePhil , If a superGM is trying to create a novelty, 112 core rybka would make much difference in checking all the variations than a 4 core as the latter relies entirely on opening books.
Anand very sympatish.
klarsteller0815 1 year ago
Another point is that training with a computer is useful if you want to train yourself vs another computer. Training with a computer for a human vs human battle is not as good as training with a human for a human vs human battle. Computers see defenses that humans dont, and psychology plays no role in computer training that you can use against a human and that computer analysis will not discover
QuakePhil 1 year ago
@QuakePhil very well said.
reaganpinto 1 year ago
awsome! thanks for posting
luckystrke 1 year ago
topalov is nothing compared to anand
i remember in india , how anand faces brutal opponents such as Kramnik
, Karpov and also Kasparov
Anand basically is the best chess player in the world
blackoil911 1 year ago
Anand had help from the top players because he is a fine person. Players really like him. He's kind, polite, humble, supportive, to list a few traits. No knock on others, but if it were, say, Aronian/Topalov, you would not see these top players all calling up Aronian.
TLDR: it's a credit to Anand the person that everyone wanted to help him out.
mcguigan97 1 year ago 9
Ahahaha! I just read the Chessbase article ... Anand had Carlsen, Kasparov, Kramnik and Giri on his team. Lol!
Its like all these top players must *HATE* Topalov with such a passion that they are willing to help one of their own rivals to beat him. That's the price Topalov pays for toilet-gate I guess.
His whole switch to the d4 repertoire makes SO much more sense now. If you can train yourself with 3 of the top players in the world, you can pick it up. :)
websnarf 1 year ago
@websnarf he made the switch in his match with Kramnik
BishopOcelot 1 year ago
Seems kind of strange that two of the strongest contenders for the title actually wanted to help Vishy defend his crown. Kramnik and Carlen will most likely be the ones to watch out for. I suspect they actually wanted an insight into his preparation so they could figure him out when they go up against him next. But of course, the last thing Kramnik would have wanted was for Topalov to beat Anand, that would simply seem to justify Topalov's (false!?) accusations in 2006.
gshankaran 1 year ago
Does anyone knows who Topalov's second was? I mean apart from the fabled machines??
jackseneca 1 year ago
I believe he had Cheparinov, Quinteros, and Vajello Pons as seconds..
tatlas 1 year ago
@tatlas: Paco too? I thought he also worked with either Anand or Kramnik in the past.
websnarf 1 year ago
@tatlas Cheparinov, Erwin L'ami and Jan Smeets (both from the Netherlands) and Rybka 4 were Topalov's seconds; I'm not sure about Quinteros and Vallejo-Pons..
elbay2 1 year ago
rybka 4 will be released on 28th may...
inertthinker 1 year ago
and KRAMNIK!
8thArmada 1 year ago
@8thArmada: Yeah his quote "You finally managed to equalize with white!" is damn priceless! Inside chess humor -- you gotta love that!
websnarf 1 year ago
@websnarf
yea i really loved that bit! i hope the next one will be kramnik anand again!
8thArmada 1 year ago
Can someone share the link to the full interview.
abhishikt 1 year ago
Anand had Carlsen *AND* Kasparov to help him with his preparation? That's unbelievable! That's a rather incredible advantage.
Actually, the real long term issue is that Anand is likely to have to face Carlsen next time. So even the information he shared with Kasparov is likely to make it back to his new protege'.
websnarf 1 year ago 3
@websnarf
Topalov had Rybka4
parmetd 1 year ago
@websnarf , Well, Topalov had a 112 core Rybka cluster to help him, which I would think is far stronger than any human grandmaster, including Kasparov and Carlsen. So I don't think Anand had a real advantage compared to Topalov.
But you make a very interesting point about the next championship if Carlsen were to make it. I think then there would not be any doubt that Kasparov would be actively coaching Carlsen to beat Anand.
aj2718281 1 year ago 5
@aj2718281 Computer analysis is best when one computer plays another computer. Computer analysis critically does not know how to exploit human weaknesses, and everybody knows this. You want to find a win for white, but instead the computer will show you "perfect play" leading to draw which a human under whatever pressures will overlook. Carlsen and Kasparov and Kramnik, on the other hand, have human psychology insight maybe more valuable
QuakePhil 1 year ago
@aj2718281 after recent comments from Carlsen saying his "intuition is clearly better than Garry's" I've noticed Kasparov's attitude towards Carlsen has become a little bit more competitive, as witnessed in some of his commentary during the Carlsen vs the World match. Of course it's just pure speculation, but I get the feeling Kasparov wants to see Carlsen lose to give him a bit of humility.
poepete 1 year ago
@aj2718281 112 core is maybe stronger than regular rybka, but even regular rybka is 3200 elo or something crazy like this, which anyone has access to, so I don't see how 112 core rybka is straight away an advantage. Has he found anything with it that you can't find with 4 core rybka? I doubt it
QuakePhil 1 year ago
@QuakePhil , If a superGM is trying to create a novelty, 112 core rybka would make much difference in checking all the variations than a 4 core as the latter relies entirely on opening books.
ankan064 6 months ago