New! Wuhan-Guangzhou Highspeed Railway, China

[Silverstein1883]

Very Japanese....like Shinkansen..

[Nyro888]

@Silverstein1883 funny...the japanese shinkansan is very german like the maglev...

[yosshiydsno1]

CRH-3, a similar row with Japan, 2 & 3 I sheet

[Phead128]

$360 billion on national HS rail grid is similar to America's $365 billion dollar Inter-state Highway system, or China's $380 billion dollar Great Wall, or $380 billion dollar property damage Japan did to China during WW2.

[megatwingo]

@Chinastar85

Yes, opium is a bad stuff. That is impressive to see in your reply here! :-))

So my advice to you is, dear user Chinastar:

Don´t smoke opium and try to troll the internet afterwords.

It´s not working. :)

[LeThoem]

@megatwingo

This trains has some japanese technology, not german, but it's also developed a lot by Chinese, or did you see a train in japan or germany that reaches 380 km/h operation speed? Btw, the new CRH 380A is fully independently developed in China and reaches 416 km/h, we don't need your overaged technology anymore! You are proud of your slow train, but there isn't even one train in germany that hits more than 350 km/h, hahahaha

[megatwingo]

@LeThoem

The Chinese CRH 380A is a little further developed copy of the Kawasaki E2-1000 with bogies of the Siemens Velaro.

Basically a Japanese train with German wheels.

You wrote, that there isn't even one train in germany that hits more than 350 km/h.

ICE in the year 1988 : 406,9 km/h

Transrapid in the year 2003 : 501, 5 km/h

[LeThoem]

@megatwingo

Unmodified passanger trains, not modified experimental trains.

Transrapid is maglev...

[coco8122]

estos chinos pendejos

[michelarjuna]

USA is a developing country in this perspective

[xukxukxuk]

@tenacioustaut Do you know who trained the japanese to use chopsticks

[peacewarChao]

this is crh3 from siemens ice3

[bnbalenda]

China is going forward.

[andyhwang2009]

Thank you for this you tube video poster, China trains are very fast (150 miles). In USA no fast trains like china fast trains. Very good ,beautiful , big, clean, fast train. Toilets (restroom) are big and clean.

[megatwingo]

@andyhwang2009

Thank you China for buying our trains.

I can´t understand a word from what the narrator in this videos says.

Is in the video mentioned, that this train comes from Germany?

[daveduvw]

@megatwingo

the chinese government bought 100 these trains,which cost over €4bn in all,and siemens got €750mn, so can you say that the train comes from Germany?

[megatwingo]

@daveduvw

Simply read the whole thread before replying here.

That shouldn´t be too much expected.

Reading before replying. Saves time and anger, believe me.

[Bannor84]

Tibet - well, they are already gaining from it, and it is nothing but a political matter between the Dalai Lama and government in Tibet. The outside world shouldn't even get involved. However, letting religious leaders enter the white house is something China shouldn't care much about either...

[Bannor84]

Now, China hates to do what the west is telling it to do, but they do show to come to the same conclusions as the west after having come up with some of the same ideas themselves.

In questions like Tibet and Taiwan on the other hand, I don't see the issue. Taiwan could just as well become a SAR like Hong Kong, and gain economically from it.

[Bannor84]

I like China.

Why? Not because of the problems China faces, but because its government is showing signs of learning. It is the evolution in the way their thinking that makes me optimistic about the future.

So personally I am willing to give China the benefit of the doubt so far. On the other hand I think it is also healthy for the west to pressure China into evolving even faster.

[appleshr2]

yes I prefer this name Chinese high speed train (Kawasaki motor)

Chinese motor is not as good as Japanese one, still need to learn......

[tenacioustaut]

@appleshr2

HTV which automatically connects iteself with a space station is 100 made in Japan.

Nasa couldnt make it .

[appleshr2]

oh, that's owesome! I've never heard about this before. Yes we need cooperation.

Do Japanese people carrying out manned space missions? no offending just simply ask.

[tenacioustaut]

@appleshr2

The point　is that your government lies about the speed and tech

It is Kawasaki , plus The japnaese one can be operated at 440km/h but it doesnt because Japan respects human rights; on the ohter hand, China doesnt.

[tenacioustaut]

@appleshr2

even old Japnaese Shinkansen can be oeprated at 350km/h

[appleshr2]

To be honest I don't know who trained or airforce, but I know that our military is quite conserved in terms of these information, and it is improving......

[tenacioustaut]

@appleshr2

Nobody knows it because your government controls information

[appleshr2]

yes the Chinese government sometimes did restrict some information, everyone in China know that, that's because China have a huge population and 56 nations. And believe me for the sake of harmony sometimes it's better to control it.

[tenacioustaut]

@appleshr2

Opression

Invasion of Tibet

[tenacioustaut]

@appleshr2

justificatio of invasion

people get mad when they know the truth of their lies

[appleshr2]

ok let me tell you what is the problem in tibet, you might right that hundreads years ago we attacked there because we used to be very powerful then, however we provide better life to the local people, and liberate the slavers from their owner, give them the freedom. isn't this a good thing for everyone? You don't know about China plez don't simply comments about us.

[appleshr2]

you want say government tell lies ok??

Plez go and check the history of Nanking Massacre, I believe the japanese history text book misrepresent the history by falsifing the numbers of victim, now I don't want to tell you how many people have been killed by Old Japanese amoks in December 9, 1937. go and check it yourself and think about this 'government cheating' stuff

[appleshr2]

think about the powerful countries in history, which one never never attacked other countries???

then think about that who has been deceived anyway.

man, sometimes we are quite same, sometimes quite not.

[tenacioustaut]

@appleshr2

In a country where there is no freedom of publicvation, historical research is impossible.

[appleshr2]

I said you learnt a lot of techniques.....that is only an example to say that the country which need to improve itself should learn from other better ones plez don't misunderstand my words : )

[tenacioustaut]

@appleshr2

The fastest Maglev is not German but Japanese, which is 580km/hour

[Deuszxable]

@tenacioustaut Japan has a highspeed train that can operate at 580km/hour, but that train never came into service, if it did came into service, then yes, the world's fastest train would be Japanese. But now, the fastest train in the world is Chinese, which runs at 350 km/hour and another highspeed train in China which travles at 380km/hour (Beijing-Shanghai) will be opened next year. Btw, Human Rights has nothing to do with Highspeed rail technology.

[tokyocityrat]

@Deuszxable

And you know this train is in fact, Japanese Shinkansen. Look it up Shinkansen call Hayate. design and technology is 100% identical.

[cismok]

@tokyocityrat FYI the train showed in this video is SIEMENS Velaro/ICE-3 tech based, capable of 380kph in routine operation, not Kawasaki E2, which can speed up to 350kph. They're different design and manufactured in different locations

[tokyocityrat]

@cismok

Yes, you are right. Thank you for your comments.

[ManjuSu]

@tokyocityrat this is based on the Siemens Velaro, the Shinkansen has a longer nose.

[appleshr2]

p.s. After world war II. Japan absorbed a lot of techniques from American as well, so we are doing the same thing.

[tenacioustaut]

@appleshr2

LOL

Japan invented the bullet train by itself lol

[tenacioustaut]

@appleshr2

There is no bullet train in the USA lol

[appleshr2]

I will give an example, Shinkansen bullet trains are operating at 300km/h(approximately) and we are operation at 350km/h(approximately). We know that 350km/h bullet train body is quite different from 300km/h one, our bullet train adopts stainless steel integrity welding technology.

I can give you another example to prove this.

I said, yes we did purchased your techniques, however we mastered it and improved it, so I don't think it is still Japanese tech.

[tenacioustaut]

@appleshr2

Ive told you that

in Japan human rights are respected

Japna can operate Shinkanesen at 350km/h too, but it makes too much noise and peopoe living along the rail wouldnt want it to be operated at 350km/h

[appleshr2]

ok I believe Japan have the capacity to operate much more faster train, coz you've already made it in 1992.

but compared with noise, I think far more people who lives around the railway would prefer the economic benifits

coz China is still developing country

[appleshr2]

ok, I checked some forum and found that the Chinese CRH's core techniques are purchased from kwaski, simens, alston and Bombardier few years ago, but after several years study and improvement, now we are using our own technology criterion, and manufacture them independently

[tenacioustaut]

@appleshr2

Impoved,

make it more specific

The motor is Kawasaki 100 percent

[appleshr2]

@tenacioustaut, I think we are talking about trains only : )

sorry I am not interested in politics

[tenacioustaut]

@appleshr2

nono

im not talkina bout Maglev

but the bullet tarain

Maglev in Japan is 580km/h

[tenacioustaut]

@appleshr2

So dont be deceived by China

[appleshr2]

no, I did research before post words here, no one deceived me i think

[tenacioustaut]

@appleshr2

Taiwanese would not claim that their bullet train is made in taiwan; they know that its Japanese

[appleshr2]

@tenacioustaut, another thing need to be mentioned is Japanese high speed trains can only be operated in the high speed rail way, that is for mono-usage,

but Chinese high speed trains are multiplexing use. This technique is based on Japanese tech, Germany tech or Franch tech, and overpass your tech.

[appleshr2]

@tenacioustaut, all the speed I've mentioned are operation speed in business.

[tenacioustaut]

@appleshr2

The fasterst bullet train is Japan is over 450km/h

Bullet trains in Japan dont run at 450km/h beucase it makes too much noise

[appleshr2]

@tenacioustaut, can you plez tell me which line in Japan is operation at 450km/h? thx

[tenacioustaut]

@appleshr2

Ive told you that if you operate bullet trains at 450km/h they make too much noise

thats why youcannot

[tenacioustaut]

@appleshr2

Do some research on people who live near the railway in China

They wouldnt want trains to be operated at 350km/h

[tenacioustaut]

@appleshr2

Plus the "Chinese" Shinkansen's motor is made by Kawasaki Heavy Industory

[tenacioustaut]

If you let a train run at 350km/h, it makes too much noise.

350km/h is possible only in countries where HUMAN RIGHTS are violated.

Do some research on how many people opposed the speed 350km/h in China.

[warset]

@tenacioustaut

im not even chinese u stupid azn monkey

enough said

[tenacioustaut]

@warset

I am not interested in pure rattling LOL

Keep on believing that 350km/h is the fastest because of advanced Chinese techs LMAO

[appleshr2]

I think we are talking about trains, if you insist to talk human rights plez go to political forum.

well in china, people are not caring about democracy, voting or things like, I think people just want somebody who treat them good, do not simply think what you like is right, we are quite different people in terms of culture, history and world view

[stackatfontys]

@tenacioustaut

you dum ass, you are made in China because your mom were gangbanged in China

[tenacioustaut]

LOL

Dont be so naiive.

The train is made by Kawasaki Heavy Industry Japan

[stackatfontys]

@tenacioustaut

prove your point, I say it is not. what makes you the authority?

can you provide a link or some prove?

[warset]

@tenacioustaut

no its technology japan sold to china, and china develope from that point onward

the first few trains are jointly built by china with the help of japanese experts; the later on variants are pretty much all made in china

these trains can reach to about 40-45% the speed of regular passenger air planes, making them great alternative to air traveling due to their substantially cheaper cost, larger carrying capacity, and vertually no polution (electric powered)

[tenacioustaut]

@warset

you cannot know the truth in China.

That is it.

[warset]

@tenacioustaut

btw this particular train is not japanese technology

this particular train (the CRH3) shown in the video is a Siemens Velaro, the technology is bought from Germany

[warset]

@tenacioustaut

you can check it via wikipedia

just type Siemens Velaro or CRH3, they are the same model/techology, ones build from Germany, and the other is build from China

[tenacioustaut]

@warset

LMAO

Keep on being brainwashed.

WIki can be edited by ANYONE LMAO

[warset]

@tenacioustaut

just go checkk Siemens Velaro...

fucking germany tech

German > japs

thats why tihs train can go over 400km/h

jap trains the Shinkansen (CRH2) only reach 350km/h max before they start to fall apart

[tenacioustaut]

LMAO

350km/h is not difficult

It is just TOO NOISY

350km/h is okay only in a country where HUMAN RIGHTS are abused LMAO

Keep on being stupid lol

[appleshr2]

you must be Germany, coz I can read you from your jealous words.

I suggest you do some research It's better for you.

the chinese tech is bit more complicated.

and I don't like this 'Germ> Jap' although I am Chinese. This comparation is rediculous

[appleshr2]

does Germany geology as complicated as Chinese?

Do some research!

[tenacioustaut]

Nobody is as stupid as you re LOL

Go to Taiwan,

you can see the same train in Taiwan LOL

[tenacioustaut]

Each train consists of 8 cars. The first 3 sets (numbers 2001-2003) were built in Japan, the next 6 sets (2004-2009) were delivered in complete knock down form and assembled by CSR Sifang Locomotive and Rolling Stock. The remaining 51 sets (2010-2060) were built by Sifang through technology transfer from Japan.

[rushmusique]

Stupid count !

[tenacioustaut]

It is true that this train and the train between SHanghai an Nanking are all Japanese.

[Hoor4Y]

Siemens trains made in germany (ICE). good job china once again for copying every bullshit.

[Mr146880]

@Hoor4Y but why don't i see these kind of trains in germany? think about that

[johnnyu3]

let me try to translate. While America was pissing away the stimulus on cash for clunkers & extending unemployment, China put 100,000+ people to work actually building something.

[merakhagen]

We American want tax cuts, so we can buy our plasma televisions, iPod and iPhones. Who gives a f*** about national infrastructure.

[morgenlandfahrer]

Wow! Truely amazing. Good to see that the long planning and construction is showing success. I'll have to take a trip, when I get to China.

Wish we could have trains like this in the US, and at such reasonable cost. The US acela train takes 6h (same as car) to get from Boston to Washington, DC and it costs $223 (same as plane).

[cismok]

The Califonia High-speed Rail has already been in planning, the construction of California HSR is expected to begin soon in 2011. It's an all new 350kph rail and to be the new landmark of the US

[corsakias]

chinese copied technology!

[cismok]

Sigh! Every time I always met the person like you, who never spends little time on reading video info or comments. The tech of trains, signal system are all paid with fees by China Railway. The trains such as the one used in this video is ICE3 CN, built with license purchased from Seimens with 4 billion Euros by China Railway...

[wendowsxplala]

are you serious? you should not cheat here.

there are tec import. but the chinese have there own tec too. and the train are bulid in china .

[Zergcerebrates]

OH for F*&K sake. People like you pisses me off all the time. Learn to do a little research before accusing the Chinese copying. These trains are produced under licensed from Siemens! China has 4 different types. Shinkensen E2 from Japan, Pendolino Italy, Velaro Germany and Bombardier Canada.

[cismok]

Passenger airplanes averaged 4.8 L/100 km per passenger (1.4 MJ/passenger-km) (49 passenger-miles per gallon) in 1998.

//a 1997 EC study[25] on page 74 claims 18.00 kWh/train-km for the TGV Duplex assuming 3 intermediate stops between Paris and Lyon. This equates to 64.80 MJ/train-km. With 80% of the 545 seats filled on average [this is 0.15 MJ/passenger-km.

[DPJu]

Countries outside China shun China and thumb their noses to the impressive efficienses in China.

[cismok]

@DPJu What's the reason?

[cismok]

Canadian Bombardier has also got contracts from China Railway to supply 250kph 60 high-speed trains since 2004, and the contract of next 140 units Zefiro may be signed next year for 2014 350kph HSR from Shanghai to Wuhan. Why it is not a good news? People can share benefits from the opportunities.

[lightcrew]

Amazing project: 2 Thumbs Up!

I'm wondering what the carbon footprint is compared to an airplane doing the same leg...

[stimsWonderland]

How many stops does this train on this track make?

[cismok]

Non-stopping trains: 2 stops, Wuhan, Guangzhou

trains stops all the ways: 15 stops,

usually trains stops at 8 different stations.

25 new stations have been built, but 15 are open to public when rest of them have not enough traffic in nearby cities yet, to be in use progressively in later stage.

[walteradamson]

What technology is based on? The Japanese shinkansen or something else? It's a great result. Staggering progress. Walter @g2m

[cismok]

Hard to define in one sentence, just a compound of German HSR and Shinkansen.

ATC/Signal: Hybrid of Hitachi, GE and indigenous tech developed by reserch centers of Ministry of railway.

The railway line was built by China Railway Group Ltd(CRG).

Tracks: two types of technologies, one(CRTS-II) was first purchased from German GETRAC, another(CRTS-I) was from Shinkansen, all are further developped by CRG, CRTS-II type ballastless track it mostly used one.

[cismok]

Con't:

Train sets(EMUs): two types: first is CRH3/ICE3 (Max speed 390kph, built at Tangshan by CNR with license from Seimens), the other is CRH2C/Shinkansen E2-2000(Max 350kph, built at Qingdao, North China by CSR, licensed from Kawashaki).

The Wuhan-Guangzhou Railway is just the 1/2 of proposed Beijing - guangzhou railway, and just 1/16 of 16,000 kms China Railway High-Speed Railway Plan by 2020.

The next year, the new 1038 Kms Beijing-Shanghai HSV will be finished as well

[Bannor84]

I am quite certain the number is 16 000 miles.

Which would mean 25 000 kilometers!

All of which is newly built 350kph tracks.

In addition to this, China is upgrading alot of old tracks to 250kph, and eventually (once new freight lines are ready) into final speed of 300kph. I am uncertain of how many kilometers of track this is supposed to be however.

[cismok]

Yes, it has been said that by 2020, there is going to be 120,000 kms railway in China, half of which should be electrifed 200+ kph lines. The upgrade in such existing lines in fact are newly built rails, I have been to many cities and have seen the upgrades are done by the the form of building a new line paralleling the old tracks. When new one was completed, the old one to be demolished. Huge costs

[Bannor84]

Interresting, but why does wikipedia states that some tracks will eventually be upgraded from 250kmp to 300kmp once, and only once the new freight lines are ready then?

Is this just a practical upgrade due to the freight trains slow speed and the queue on the lines? So that in theory the lines are good enough to run at 300kmp commercially already. The trains are just keps at 250kmp because of logistical reasons, and a high frequency of trains on the lines, to keep collisions from happening?

[cismok]

The railway network proposal now are usually set like this: A freight-only line(Existing line 160kph)+highspeed line(long distance, stop only at large cities, 350 kph)+intercity(regional, 200-250kph, more local stations) for city belts with high density. However some rails opened these days are outcome of plans in 10 years ago, at that time, they want to build lines shared by passenger(200-250kph) and freights(120-160kph).

[tenacioustaut]

This train is 100% made in Japan by Kawasaki heavy industory

[cismok]

To Bannor84: However, just in 10 years, the plan changes to cope with demands in next 20 years, so the shared lines to be updated. two ways: Build a new 350 kph lines, or upgrade the 250 kph to 300

The layout in design of 250kph lines are capable of 300kph, the difference is: 250kph use ballasts, while the 300kph use slab tracks.

[tenacioustaut]

This train is made by Kawasaki heavy industyr in Japan

[cismok]

The most impressive one is by 2015, there will be at least 5000 kms High-speed railway be built, including Beijing-Shanghai HSR(1380 kms, 2010), Beijing-Wuhan HSR, and Shanghai-Wuhan(both now under construction). And people may easily neglect the HSR's already opened last year from Shijiazhuang-taiyuan(190kms), Ningbo-xiamen(839km) and many more raiway operate at level of 250KM/H sharing with freight trains.

[walteradamson]

Thanks for all your answers. The information makes it all the more amazing, so it is the best from many existing technologies and all then refined in China. This must be by far the largest and more advanced railway project of the century and yet we outside China hear very little about it. Really fantastic, and then it also needs all the information systems and signalling systems ...

Walter @g2m

[cismok]

Not at all. In fact, that's the outcome of 15 years' debate on national transport and urbanisation proposal. The HSR network now is used to replenish the roles of existing 45,000 kms motorway/freeway, and airlines that developped in the past ten years and to be the major way for median-long distance mass transport up to 3000kms, which is the most prevalent distance for travel in China. What's more, the HSR consumes only 1/3 of energy that jet planes do, and it makes the use of renewable energy p

[cismok]

Con't: HSR makes the use of renewable energy such as solar/wind generated electricity. The HSR has reveals the intention of Chinese gov to change the current economic model that proven to be not sustainable. And the inland China would be developed and people's living in Central regions is going to be improved by HSR network. Just have a look at the urbenization plan that designs to build the cities along the HSR, once it succeed, the urban rate to move from 46% now to 75+%, twice of 30% in 2001.

[cismok]

Con't 2: The reality is that during the years of constructing Wuhan-Guangzhou HSR, the developers have built several new cities along the railway line. The urbanisation probably would change the living conditions in inland cities by surge in productivity per capita, which has already witnessed in the past 5 years' urbanization, further with the increase efficiency in rural land that's not economic viable but now vacated.

[cismok]

Con't 3: The energy use and pollution to be reduced when new cities are designed with the concepts of environmentally-friend, energy saving facilities and recyclable buiding materials. Once the urbanisation has done, the economic model to be shifted to domestic consumption lead from the existing export-heavy industry dominated. It is good for both the Chinese citizens and people worldwide, it means more biz opportunity for people to export good to China while the environment can be saved too.

[cismok]

Con't 4: One years ago, BBC Biz queried about the profitability on Chinese HSR or railway. They've done research but haven't realised the all HSR/China railway are planned and owned Ministry of Railway, or it is a state owned/run biz, so the depreciation is not even counted in operation. That's investment of national gov for public good/long-term return. The transport costs to be lowered in the future and tax renenues is going to rise. This model of investment

[cismok]

Con't 5:This sort of investment are usually used in building metro lines in metro cities(e.g. Shanghai, 17 metro lines, some is already profitable now), and has effectively boostered local economy and it's successful, though the ROI for private investors are uncertain. The projects are led by gov, the return is determined by dealing of gov, where gov dominate the biz, the private investors is just treated no more than source of finance.

[cismok]

Con't 6: It can be predicted that the bargaining power in income distribution can be low even many are profitable. The Chinese private investors have experienced it alot. But making a profit is still possible, once the slice of return can be guaranteed, and the state investors really wants to give some sweet to attract funds. That's the biz system to be understood once involved in such projects with tycoons who make law n' rules.

[cismok]

Excuse me 4 such a long passage, thanks for reading that.

[tayw9333]

I have a question, when will the Hong Kong section be finish because i m really looking forward to riding it.

[cismok]

It's estimated to be finished in 2015 on schedule, however currently there are disputes on the proposal and budget. The HK section would costs 5 times more to build than that in mainland despite the relatively high labor costs.

[bmw00813]

In 2015, HongKong-Shenzhen-Guangzhou.

then connected with this line.

[huangyukun1989]

我很想知道德国人真的会把所有ice3的技术卖给我们?

[Ericsqxu]

那是不可能的，摸着石头过河呗。管他白猫黑猫，逮了耗子的就是好­猫。

[huangyukun1989]

这个我知道的.我只是感慨一下,既然我们能造出中华之星,为什么­还要一而再,再而三的向国外买技术,特别是还买日本的技术,实在­是让我忍无可忍.

[cismok]

還有一些國有機車企業研發人員習慣認為國產必中標，因而不思進取­，所以多些選擇多謝競爭。最終，使用者將受益，目前國產的高速列­車造價比2000預計的還要低，而能源利用率更高，相關生產廠家­通過合作研發管理，技術得到了提高。這些極大的減少了落後技術帶­來的浪費。

[cismok]

而在選擇技術和做項目時，不能過多的把情緒帶入，是好技術就用，­用低價採購到好技術就是在節省成本。製造和工程管理沒有外包出，­相信下一代高鐵將全面採用自行研發的設備，並有望出口，這是在中­華之星基礎上機會很難達到的