Thin-film Photovoltaic (PV) Laminates

[platinum243125]

Can it still produce a current with some of the crystals damaged?

[daemonk9]

I have a metal roof but it not like the one they recommend. I'm thinking of buying a single sheet of metal to screw onto concrete slab and then adhere the pvl to it. Wise?

[ecdfann]

themymrhyde

1. the size of the project/array determines the cost. See local and fed susbsidizes to get 30%+ of your project cost paid for. (then keep in mind your roof gives you a return OF investment with lower monthly electric bills.

uni-solar . com

[themymrhyde]

i work for the company that made the solar panels that are shown in this video. i'm so proud! :) i may have inspected these exact laminates myself before they left our factory!

[shakaama]

@themymrhyde so apprently you didnt' read the 3 year old top comment.

1. how much do they cost?

2. how many watts does it provide?

3. how much does installation cost.?

4. where is this company and

5. can you order it through the mail?

[distressed7]

I'm surprised the government has not come in with the FBI and razed his home. This is one of the best examples of what some call the solar shingle.

[BOGZASV8MA]

what about rain ??????

[KyleCarrington]

Here's an idea. Buy 10 (235 watt) Sun Elec Panels online @ $305 ea. (Grade B). Put them on your rook. Done. 3 grand. Then, if your roof needs servicing, you don't have an incredible task. A roof, is a roof, and a solar panel, is a solar panel. I wouldn't buy a car that had an engine welded to its frame, either.

[MrCdfile]

Any updates on this video? I'd like to see how this progressed in 2011

[lancerooke]

Where can I buy it?

[Briansgarage]

I want this.. This is exactly what I am looking for.. I am already going to be using metal roofing.. This would be perfect for what I am doing.. Where do I get it, how much is it?...

[rpmrpms]

Did he say " Photovoltaic" or " PROPHYLACTIC" ?? haaaa ha ha ha

[joepra62]

For all those who would reply to my comment that has the highest rating with a response along the lines of saying that the panels and purchase info. are readily available, please note that my comment and this video are 3 years old. At that time the panels were not on sale, which is why the manufacturers did not give info. as to where to buy them. I'm glad that now you finally can actually purchase the product.

[MstrKey]

Not to mention you need 10-20 grand worth of batteries to store any power or you're powerless at night. There is to date NO long term practical solar power for homes that's cheaper than what we have now. All the studies I've seen have shown it will take 20-30 years for a system like this to pay itself off assuming it never degrades, which they all do. FAIL.

[rick1hellraiser]

@MstrKey from my understanding,this system is grid tied so it back feeds the power into the grid. there are no batteries with this system as long as it is grid tied.

[roblox84]

@MstrKey It really doesn't matter how long it takes to pay itself off. You install these because the best part is to see your next electric bill at 0. And you basically said screw you electric company

[PatDalton2010]

ok, how much. Where can I buy them.  Very cool.

[markr1413]

yea great but how do i find any real info on solar or the different types and price and tax breaks and durability and longevity hmmmmmmmmmmmm.........

[brianmenendez]

ok, how much??

[MrEnergyCzar]

I wish they didn't produce half the KWH per square meter compared to silicon panels...can you put these up after you already have an existing flat metal seam roof..?

[ayolovechocolate]

this is real cool but how do i get the product there is no contact

[anupamvipul233]

PLEASE COMPARE THE PRICE

[anynickwilldofine]

Hm... Well my friend just went to TILE-MOLDS . com and he got the best service! So maybe you should try their services too?

Good luck!

[AlexandrGreen]

Great job!

[scum525]

where can one buy these laminates for personal or professional installations? great video thanks for sharing

[Maccan]

One can only assume that this product is being sold on the market ?

[PhotovoltaicSchool]

what is your IV curve look like with the thin film being mounted directly to the roof? seems that the heat build up would result in lower output...

if there is a heat issue, then your 1kw output per string would be alot lower... so your 2kw would be more like 1.4kw... Do you have a NABCEP certification? This is one of the first things you learn. heat= lower output. & with no ventalaton, your creating heat on that dark film.

[simgadraco2005]

Nice one, how many kilowatts of electricity does your system generate ???

[The4LA2Baker0]

simgadraco2005, He said it was 1 kilowatt per panel. im too lazy to count, but there's your answer.

[conciergeman]

@The4LA2Baker0

Actually 1 KW / string shown with 2 strings on that particular roof.

If you wanting to install these products, you better hope

1; your roof is not painted, because these 'stickers' or ones like it are voided of their warranty if used on painted roof

and 2 that you dont want to be producing even half of what you want, 5 years down the line. The degradation with these thin film strips is ungodly!

they do look sexy though I have to admit

[Spastb00n]

Well, these panels basically consist of like 5 layers of very thin foils, that are just as resistant to hailstorms and so on as strong plastic foils.

I am rather more interested in the efficiency of these foils, currently they are not supposed to be better than even 6% in practical applications?

[scientificallygreene]

Hey, check out my website at ScientificallyGreener(Dot) com and get all the new and improved Equipments to build or buy your own solar panels and wind energy turbine systems ScientificallyGreener(Dot) com is a website that sells the most modern environmental products available

[humbledb4jesus]

1> What about long term exposure to the elements.

2> What about the long-term effectiveness of the adhesive.

Its certainly a good idea of it works for 20yrs...

[pegobuilders]

this can be used to make money by generating your own green electricity, export any surplus back to the grid at a premium rate

[mordsith05]

No longer will our race be shackled by the ilumini of this world. Inventions like this may create a more sustainable existance for us all.

[mstaff657]

Right

you must be crazy,

solar power is a scam.

[humbledb4jesus]

Unfortunately, only medication and long-term therapy will help your paranoia.

[c0smicbyte]

How about PV films that bonds on car body panels. The idea is to make the whole painted surface of the car harness energy to charge the lithium-ion battery. If that can be made feasible electric vehicles would need to be plugged-in less frequently and you guys would be a little bit more richer and Detroit people more happier.

[Bristow42]

What about hail storms?

[alphaman1101]

I dont think it would hurt them. its thin like he said. but it still has to be tough to withstand the brutal sun..

[tgslothic]

i think they have a strong pane of glass or clear plastic over the outside of them.

[321ozzy]

Thank you for posting a PV-panel video which contains practical info.

Regards from Mexico.

[blackrangr]

hi can you advise where to actually purchase this product..

Gary..in sunny Australia

[malicata]

BUENISIMO:...... CONGRATULATIONS

[touchmyjohnson]

This Is Awesome.

I am a 19 year old Electrician from England, I am moving to Australia very soon and i hope one day to be installing systems like this!

[TheCleanDotOrg]

A meter that spins in reverse...now that is what I'm talking about.

We can be energy innovators like Steve.

[cheoelleon]

for Tennessee call Chad 731-891-1149

[VolunteerRifleman]

can i run my computer and all of my appliances on just the power from a solar roof? how expensive would it be for me to get completely off the grid?

[osity]

Where in Ontario Canada can one find installers/vendors?

[ChristiansMustLearn]

i was thinkig the same thing

[daackmpoy]

hey can anyone tell me where can I buy it inmexico? or how can Ibring it here

[bpartyka]

We can sell it to you....call 215 534 8455

[ashwynanand]

hey i am from india, how do i go about if i want to install one.

[ehsgsni]

hi Ashwynanand.. did you managed to install ur solar home system?

regards

sayi niranjan

switzerland

[trader0108]

Here is a way that a residential house could effectively store solar energy during the five hours of good sunshine, to last for the full twenty-four hours.  Use a hydraulic elevator system lifting a very heavy weight, where the energy is stored by the gravity of the weight. When the sun goes down,or when more power is needed during the five hours of good sunshine, the very heavy weight movement is reversed and the hydraulics is used to generate power.

[CludzyMasta]

you've posted this everywhere..

[elzosmid]

Ovshinsky, give him a Nobel prize!

[IGNORAO777]

WHERE IS FALL PROTECTION? AND ppe?

[nowellian]

No Nukes!

Go solar!

Support Nader/Gonzalez and make it a three way race.

[lewis121701]

I support capatalism the person who has the best product I will buy! not socialism communism facism monopolyism and all the other shit that people force down our fucking throats. Nadar is part of the GREEEEEN party in other words a NEO-CON just like the BUSH family. I like what JESUS has to offer not man kind. Later

[CludzyMasta]

what?

[lewis121701]

What? What? I only posted my comment here not everywhere!

[konic40]

i look really light weight, easy to set up and pull down; perfect for us in hurricane prone areas.

[seebey1]

A 2kW system? Yikes! That means ten modern 200+W solar panels could outproduce that entire roof. You're going to need an awfully big roof to get any decent amount of power with this low-efficiency thinfilm.

[redcroissant]

That's probably true, but I've heard the thin film stuff is very inexpensive. The price I've seen on those 200+W panels in general has been $1200-$3000 per panel!

[morenetti1]

FYI: Uni-Solar, inventor Stan Oshinsky, if you listen the guy says his name, type it in your browser and voila! Regards.

[elzosmid]

Stanford R. Ovshinsky  ~~~

[AviChick]

Really interesting, we should all have these, then we wouldn't have problems with energy resources....

[RHEAD100]

Two mager flaws in this video.

#1 Does not tell you where you can buy them.

#2 Does not even suggest how much they coast.

DAMN, Why don't you take the kidds to an ice cream store make them set there all day and not let them have any ice cream.

Who ever posted this video is a perverted sadist.

[danieleriskay]

Put down your ice cream cone and click on the "more info" link.

[RHEAD100]

HA HA HA didn't have to just switched hands.

Your right the info is there but you really have to dig to find it. Coast of this system is better BUT it still takes too long to pay for itself. About 8 to 10 years. I am looking for something that will pay for itself in Less, than 4 years.

Thanks for the heads up though. And you have a great weekend.

[danieleriskay]

Glad you took that the right way.

give it time, these will soon be cheap. Basically solar cell performance is following moore's law. Ray Kurzweil talks about this quite a bit.

[mlagares]

Hillarious

[coolflatroof]

Rhead, you can buy it from solar suppliers, or solar integrator can install it for you. It may seem obvious, but you do need a standing seam metal roof, which most solar installers do not do. So you need both a metal roofing contractor to do a professional roof install and a solar integrator. That is unless you are a DIY type of person.... :)

It is pricy: $9-12 per sq. foot for metal roof and $8-12 per W for solar.

[KyleCarrington]

@coolflatroof $8-12 per W for this? Ouch.

[coolflatroof]

@KyleCarrington

Tha's nothing - you get a lifetime roof under it, which you never have to worry about. It protects against ice dams, fire, rain, snow, and keeps your cooling costs down.

[KyleCarrington]

@coolflatroof Good points.

[barbaralovesblack]

"more info" + Google-fu piss-and-moan artist

What the fuck would you have done back in the day when you actually had to look shit up?

[nextgenerationinvest]

Energy Conversion Devices thin film adhesive photovoltaic is applied directly to an aluminum roof.

This is the future of solar energy.

[kermitefrog64]

Could something like this be put on a car to charge up batteries for electric conversion?

[trespaaaa]

These panels generate 12V of direct current electricity which can be used to charge a car battery neatly. If you hook it up to your battery without a charge controller then you have to be careful not to overcharge it

[hyperkinetic]

Yes, but I would definitely use multiple panels and a charge controller is a *MUST*!

[DjHopies07]

Great!! so why cant we all have stuff like this??

[raulitech]

at this time they are only selling to specific non public clients for some reason.

[vital2mi]

Wonderful!

Now let's get to storing it!! : )

[hyperkinetic]

Storing power only makes sense if you're completely off grid. For urban applications, you should feed the grid instead.

[TORDesign]

Thin film as fashion - check out the utlimate accesory especially if you dont want to get caught out in the dark .. search youtube for 2CLight

[TJSolar]

The sun is the most abundant source of energy-it's about time we use it. Coal and oil also come from the sun but go through a couple hundred thousand year process. Cut to the chase, go solar. Since I do business at home, I got a 30% federal tax refund. My totally installed sytem was 50k. Minus the refund the cost was 35k. My payback is in 5.8 years. After that, my energy is cosidered free. Not bad for someone in South Bend IN who gets minimal sunlight.

[MuscleRN]

I live in SE Florida where electric costs exceed $3K/yr! That's a minimal average, most homes see a great deal more. Who do I contact to set up in the Greater Fort Lauderdale area?

[joepra62]

As usual you leave out the practical info. that makes it easy to actualy use the product. Ex: Where can I buy it? How much do they cost? How do I get my utitility to set me up with the ability to tie into the grid (I tried getting info. from my power co. and they blew me off.) Is there a Gov. agency I can call to force them to respond? What is the expected payoff period in different climates. I'm so tired of seing theory that everyone knows, With

[vogelducks]

Inovateus Development (distributors)

Nathan(sales) nathan@inovateus (email)

-PVL 68 $353

-fill out local utilities paper work to connect to grid

[vogelducks]

This is a great product that works better than any other solar product in low light. Ideal for midwest and northwest climates (works great everywhere). Most of this product goes to Germany which has low light and the product works well there. Uni-Solar provides the best building integrated(BIPV) solar products around.

[anynamewilldo808]

@joepra62 Heard of Google?

[rick1hellraiser]

@joepra62 - go to altersystems for more info. they have some for sale with specs

[pstephey]

dont buy rent solar electricity stay in power even when bad things happen

SolarPanelsForRent.youknow

[folkstreamer]

How long does the roof last.  Does the thin film need to be replaced and the wiring too?

[gmaiersx]

i would not really take this up as an option

[greyflcn]

re: fulcrum2004

--bcoste, new technologies includes nanomaterials but I think they will be available in 5 or 7 years more. Any actual pv device is an energy sink and burns more fossil fuel than it saves. --

Thats just not true.

Takes about 6 months to pay back the energy used to build each thinfilm panel.

Miasole for instance is right on top of this stuff. They're going to start pushing product in a few months.

[bcoste1]

do these use heavy metals like other thin films? if so they might not be much better than nuclear. note, i am a ecologically sustainable energy advocate.

[fulcrum2004]

bcoste, unfortunely, there isn't yet any economically feasible solar panel, new technologies includes nanomaterials but I think they will be available in 5 or 7 years more. Any actual pv device is an energy sink and burns more fossil fuel than it saves.

[roidroid]

fulcrum2004, PV panel technology passed break-even a while ago now. Get with the times eh.

[fulcrum2004]

that's easy to say, but no 1 single watt of net energy has been produced by a PV panel EVER. It is possible that you are not putting in account all the costs.

[roidroid]

Thin-film solar panels are one of the least energy intensive solar panels to produce, they breakeven in under a year of operation.

Normal modern solar panels take a max of approx 5 years to breakeven, generally it's under 3 years.

Where are you getting your info?

[bouncinbob]

HOLY CR@P, in Australia the commercial systems are advertised with "pays for itself in under 25 years" (WOW)

[hyperkinetic]

Please stop with your pathetic LIES. I've shredded your argument with some inconvient truth in the video "Let the Sun Shine".

[rbodell]

Well, if that is so, how do you explain this computer running for 9 years without any charging other than the solar panels? I don't even have a battery charger or power to run it from. I'll tell you, your an idiot.

[fulcrum2004]

sure genius! that's the same for my pocket calculator, try to do that with your refrigerator, air conditioner, dvd player, tv's and so on...

[hyperkinetic]

Oh *please*. A pocket calculator has like a 3sq/cm solar panel, capable of maybe 1mW. While the average consumer fridge draws around 800-1200W when running, it's *average* consumption is 75W. You may be an ecologist, but I'm an electronics engineer. Your claim that solar never produces net power is a LIE.

[fulcrum2004]

well, I don't blame you, sometimes the biggest problem for the human beings is to unlearn. I'm to lazy to explain you, but if you want to learn some energy fundamentals, go to "tinaja dot com", the guy over there has great papers for noobs like you will see...Search for energy fundamentals and pv reap off.

[hyperkinetic]

'noob'!! That's rich! I've been reading Don Lancaster since the mid 80's. I regularly cite his work when debunking the free energy nuts. I highly respect Don's work, but much of what's on his site is out of date. Energy fundamentals is from 2002, and cites figures that aren't even close to accurate.

[fulcrum2004]

maybe some numbers are out of date, but thermodynamics and energy fundamentals don't. It would be pretty difficult to beat the almost 9000 Wh/lt that gasoline has.

[hyperkinetic]

True physical laws aren't going to change, but what we can currently do within the constraints of those laws is practical now. Gas is only going to get more expensive, making solar more attractive by the minute.

[hyperkinetic]

His example doesn't state the size of the panel, yet states that this theoretical panel generates $.02-$.03 a day. This is NOWHERE close to reality. Even a small system like the one in "Wisconsin Solar Panel Timelapse" generates 4kW/hr in the *WINTER*.

[hyperkinetic]

Winter days are shorter and the angle of the sun is low. Both contribute to loss. Yet at todays prices (assuming $.12/kW), 4kW/h is more like $.50 worth of power *AND* it's enough to supply the needs of the video's maker. It only stands to reason that with longer days and a proper angle that it could generate even more.

[rbodell]

Only a moron like you would try to run a motor off of a small 135 watt system like i have, but the rest also run off my system. Ya know, you sure do advertise how little you know about solar energy. You really do give everybody a good laugh. That isb why I replied to you, to get you to do it again LOL SUCKER

[hyperkinetic]

The 2KW system depicted in this video could *easily* run a fridge, dozens of DVD players and TVs, or 100 compact fluorescent lamps. While it wouldn't run conventional air conditioning, it could run a fairly large geothermal cooling and heating unit.

[hyperkinetic]

Don't listen to this LIAR. I've been checking his posts and he's spreading this misinformation EVERYWHERE. Shills like him should be labeled 'enemy combatants'.

[fulcrum2004]

whoa! if you want to waste your money go ahead, anyway it is green also, right? I'm glad I have a fan following my posts! hahaha!

[fulcrum2004]

oh and by the way, I'm an ecologyst, I would like real energy savings and no energy sinks that makes erroneous claims, some day solar panels will rock, but right now they don't. Take a look at the future: google this: Slashdot | New Record For Solar Cell Power Efficiency

[hyperkinetic]

Yeah, yeah. I've read that article, and all the stuff on the Delaware U. site. It's an impressive achievement. Todays panels can be anywhere from 5%-25% efficient, but those figures a irrelevant. The bottom line is what the panel *produces*. A single 1 sq/m panel theoretically receives 1kW of energy, but may only deliver 170W, but that's *STILL* 170W of usable power.

[fulcrum2004]

That's my point. It returns 170W of the energy received, but that is not NET energy. With the advances in nanotechnology the efficiency will increase beyond the 50% but we are at least 10 years away.

[hyperkinetic]

Those who wait for efficiency are part of the problem. If you can fulfill your electrical power needs from solar and wind, then once you've generated more power that it took to produce the system, you're producing NET energy. Greater demand for solar will fuel development faster, shaving years off your estimate.

[hyperkinetic]

You're really doing a disservice to solar when you claim it's not NET energy. It's well understood by anyone investing in solar that the 'free' electricity only comes *after* the system has generated more than the system cost. The cost of electric power is going to continue to climb. The higher it goes, the faster the system earns it's worth.

[hyperkinetic]

Many solar critics point out that you're really paying for your electricity up front. And the problem with that is? The smart money purchases for the future at todays prices. As the cost of energy continues to go up, so will the manufacturing cost of solar.

[fulcrum2004]

not a problem at all, in fact you get better discounts paying cash upfront. But you should look also manteinance and account for subsidies involved to get a complet picture

[nickrhill]

Today (and when you wrote the post) polysilicon (used as the basis of classic solar cells) trades 350-450$/Kg. Before Germany introduced generous paybacks, Polysilicon cost $30/Kg. PV prices are held high, despite massve recent advances, due to high polysilicon prices. As new polysilicon production comes on-stream, expect a crash in price for PV technology. You need 8g of polysilicon per watt of production.

[Nichen]

that´s pure bullshit. Check out nanosolar . com/

[fulcrum2004]

printing technologies are a great achievement, but still, very low efficiency (below 30%). I think that the path would be trough nano arrays of other elements than silica to get above the 50%. Remember that some vegetals has an efficiency above the 90% transforming solar to chemical energy. This is made trough nanosynchronized processes. Wich is in what we are working right now.

[hyperkinetic]

Why don't you point us to some studies to back up those so called 'facts' so we may decide whether you're full of shit for ourselves. That 'big oil' paycheck must be awful nice to let you lead the life of leisure at your age.

[3Monster3]

More Info Reguarding were I can get the stuff would be nice.

[jeffery19677]

It would be nice to know how much this might cost the average homeowner to put on new construction... How much more than a metal roof??