Christopher Hitchens on Australia's Q & A - Women in Iran

[chalicewhisperer]

hahaha the fat muslim slut got put into place. what a joke just like islam and allah and all the other dirty muslim cunts stinkin up australia. btw this fat bitch needs to be in a burka shes rancid.

[Tossphate]

@chalicewhisperer Lol sorry are you for or against womens equality? Or does it depend on their weight, appearance, ethnicity and religious beliefs? Ironically you have sided with Hitch, but your views are completely the opposite. I know I should'nt have bitten, but I had a minute to spare.

[SissingPyd]

Hitch slap the bitch.

[caviper1]

yes she is insulting her sisters in Iran.

[amibidhrohi2006]

"fucking dumb bitches", "a whale"...Islamic regard for women at least exceeds the regard people on this board have for women. I wonder what Hitchens response would be for the fact that a third of college going women report being raped during their academic years, that half of those in the US military have been sexually assaulted. An atheist, and secular society at large, has no real reason to regard a woman as anything other than a sex tool. Which is what they're marketed as in the secular West.

[skaseisback]

@amibidhrohi2006 incorrect, basic values that are inherent without the need for religion cause secular societies to treat people well

[halflifeproductionz]

ofcourse muslim scholars will agree islam is the bestest in the world for woman unfortunately woman in the muslim world don't agree. The rights in the west for woman differ to that of the muslim world where they are HIGHLY encouraged to cover themselves because obviously we men walk around with hard ons looking at women without the scarf. islamic logic is stupid knowledge.

[2seconds2long]

Australian Muslim women = FUCKING DUMB BITCHES!!!

[rami0iraq]

a whale got hitch slapped

[allexbratson]

As an Iranian, I can tell by her accent that she is not Iranian, I dont care about what she is saying, I have no comments about her comments but She is not Iranian I can not understand why she says Iranian

[MattyJoels]

@allexbratson

shes from australia.,.. australian accent

[skaseisback]

@MattyJoels that's not a standard australian accent.

[BrickInTheWall1]

@skaseisback Her accent is regional: found in the west and south west of Sydney's suburbs. As interesting as it is, this accent is one that is found across a diverse group of young people not necessarily linked in any real way. It is one that is often 'put on' and not widely seen in children or adults in the region. It is a peculiarity more than anything. I am aware of cases where teens, with parents that have typical accents, adopt this accent when they socialize with others that also do.

[BrickInTheWall1]

@BrickInTheWall1 Note that the accent gets stronger when she starts ranting at the end. Classic 'put on'.

[nanaforiod]

@BrickInTheWall1 What was she mumbling at the end there? It looks like she was trying to "pray the demons away".

[skaseisback]

@BrickInTheWall1 i would agree but that accent is more likely to be adopted by people with certain ethnic backgrounds.

[BrickInTheWall1]

@skaseisback That is true. The locals sometimes call it the "howmygawd". or the "HowmyGawwwwwwd" depending on how good they are at imitating the sub-culture. I shouldn't laugh, but sometimes I do.

[RALMAR9]

dude. she is a whale 

[gupsphoo]

You can tell she's lying. So Islam gives women "lots of rights" but she can't even name one of them. Besides, why would women need "lots of rights" if they have freedom?

[mehradj69]

what is the cheap joke he made?

[pedanpontif]

Dumb bitch is just trying to make excuses. Just like battered women syndrome. I hate it when people talk out of their ass.

[soapfiction]

Notice how she says "a lot of rights" and not the same rights as men, as if having a fair amount of rights, even if they are beneath those of men, is enough for the women of Iran.

[RationalismWins]

What annoys me is when some know-it-all dolt who is a mouthpiece for a particular religion feels the need to interrupt and preach to someone a lot more experienced and generally a far superior intellectual figure than herself.

In the end all she could say for herself is that her 'veil would be little', which is a completely apologetic argument and ignores every human rights group that has been advocating for womens rights in Iran.

[Mahdavi1990]

Christopher Hitchens really does not know what he is talking about. What an absolute moron. If he's never been to Iran, what makes him think he knows what's going on over there? Only an ignorant fool would say in Iran women cannot show their face or hair. Wow this man pisses me off!

[k9k9k9er]

and u do? lol

[k9k9k9er]

are u an idiot? iran u have to cover ur hair?

where have u been?

no u piss me off. r u iranian?

it dont think a british man who has never been to iran can make such childish comments. LOL

[Mahdavi1990]

I'm Iranian.

[k9k9k9er]

either ur a lier or an idiot, to despoit such a well know fact. even the islamic repubic says its true. are u on crack?

agar irani hasti be an farsi javab be. chera doroogh migi, akhe?

maraz dari?

[k9k9k9er]

then y do u lie u idiot?

its a fact that u have to cover ur hair and cant old hands in iran. R u a moron?

shame on u.

[Mahdavi1990]

No I would say you are the liar who likes to exaggerate the situation. You think Hitchens is right in saying if she were in Iran she can't express her opinions, sit next to men, show her face and show her hair? Are you the one on crack?

Just because you have to wear a headscarf does not mean you are not allowed to show your hair. As for not being allowed to show your face in Iran, that was just retarded of him to say such a thing.

What did that woman say which was so inaccurate about Iran?

[k9k9k9er]

here accent is arabic, which is not what is spoken in iran. in iran woman HAVE to cover their hair. i invite u and anyone to look it up. i think u and that girl r idiots to keep arguing a fact NOONE disputes

yes she can hold hands in street and buses r devided into male and female look up u ignorant fool/ have u ever been to iran?

If you are iranian TYPE IN PERSIAN.

if u cant then sorry ur an ignorant foreigner

[Mahdavi1990]

There are Arabs in Iran you dumbass. Not everyone in Iran is Persian you ignorant fool.

[k9k9k9er]

arabs in iran speak persian & they r not a pale as this bitch. shes either lebanese or palestinian. so please dont give geography lesson about iran special since u dont know the laws.

ur an idiot & a trator to u r ppl in iran who r trying to free themselves from this filthy regim from UK no less

now dont continue this senseless arguemment. i told u ISLAMIC REPUBLIC REQUIRES ALL WOMAN IN PUBLIC TO COVER THEIR HAIR & NOT TO SHOW AFFECTION. this is well known law to all. stop ur childish debate

[k9k9k9er]

now go learn, then type. u ignorant fool

[k9k9k9er]

did u look it up?

By ur stupid statement here.

theres only 2 thing possible either ur an ignorant fool or a lier. pick one.

and considering the fact that u probabely wount type persan ur not even iranian.

so please keep whats left of ur dignty and stop arguing for something that si 100% false.

EVEN ISLAMIC REPUBLIC DOESNT DISPUTE THIS FACT AND YOU ARE.

they beat woman if they dont wear the hijab rpoperly and u r so shameless to type this shit here.

ur an idiot

[Mahdavi1990]

How is it a fact you must cover your hair when most women in Iran show their hair? Just because you have to wear hejab doesn't mean you can't show your hair. As for not holding hands, yes it's illegal, but everyone does it anyway.

I don't think you've ever even been to Iran.

[k9k9k9er]

do they show their hair in public, in their own homes no, but in iran under the islamic republic U HAVE TO COVER UR HAIR. and if they dont they not get arrested?

ur an idiot. stop talking to me. u moron. I invite everyone to look up this fact.

i have lived in iran till i was 14 i have family there and i have viited them. so please and again how come u dont answer in persian? perisan is the language that every iranian from arab to turl tp persian speaks its the common language u idiot.

[k9k9k9er]

all those woman arrested, beaten for not covering their hair properly.

all those mothers losing their chidren in divorces because under islamic law men have the right to them even if the man is abusive.

shame on u.

u in the UK that enjoys all ur freedoms.

instead of supporting u fellow iranians in their fight for freedom u come here & belittle their struggle. shame on u. go back 2 iran then type ur hypocretical comments.

[axa905]

she's not Iranian, she praises god in Arabic but with an Arabic accent not a Persian one!

[fuckucxcukckc]

haha hitchens is a king.

[seonf]

In Iran are women allowed to leave their homes without a male escort? Are women forces to wear a veil? Can women hold any position a man can?

Are gay people stoned to death? Are witches stoned to death? How does Iran treat people who convert to Christianity from Islam? Are Bahai's allowed an education? Are people allowed to protest the dictator of Iran who committed electoral fraud?

[apacheslim]

look i will talk to my Iranian friends here and see what they say but i strongly doubt that.

[seonf]

Fine talk to them if all the stuff I said was wrong I will agree with you and say Iran is different. But the fact remains, saying the Koran gives women rights is an insult to women in Islamic countries that are being oppressed. Sure they may have had more rights than they did before Muhammad but now western women have way more rights than they do. And yes women used to not have many rights in western societies but we changed- so can Islamic countries.

[apacheslim]

Iran is probably the mos western out of all the middle east . If there is any abuse towards women its a middle eastern cultural thing. Not an Islamic. The same way the bible doesn't tell people to torture and kill people that are non-believers. In fact if a man rapes a woman he will be hung without question that is law. If a man wants more than one wife he must have his wife's permission to do so. The shia islam there is about changing with the times as compared to iraq or the saudis

[seonf]

Sharia Law is not mentioned in the Koran and Muhammad would be shocked at the human right abuses committed in his name the way Jesus would be shocked at the murder done in his name. That is why I do not follow any Holly book 100% literally. I find the view that it is ok to have more then one wife degrading to women. But I also find a lot of the passages in the Bible degrading to women because the Bible and the Koran were written for a specific period of time.

[apacheslim]

also i must mention to oyu to look up

"confessions of an economic hit-man" it is extremely insightful and i truly mean that.

it shows exactly the tactics used to overthrow a government by corporations

[apacheslim]

have you looked up the CIA and British coup in Iran in 1953?

i suggest you do it will provide great insight to whats happening now

[seonf]

Yes I have studied operation Ajax which brought in a fascist islamonazi government to replace the democratically elected government. I also agree with you I think the Iranian president had help from the cia to stage this year's election. If a more moderate had become president of Iran it would be a lot harder to demonize Iran wouldn't it? I still think it is a fascist dictatorship but I want the Iranian people to be free. I am on the side of the Iranian people not the dictators of Iran.

[apacheslim]

no he didn't get help from them. the CIA like before was trying to establish disorder in Iran. I dont believe that he cheated. its a media spin like when bush won the election. you can make any one believe anything through the media. the plan is to create dissention in iran it has been occurring since 2007 when bush initiated the black op plan. If the country is unstable foreign intervention is needed and an invasion is easier as the people are not united

[seonf]

You are buying the dictatorship's propaganda. The protests are not being organised by the west. They are the Iranian people who are sick of the dictatorship. People have been thrown in jail just for protesting and the dictator won by a far larger amount of votes the polls said he would win by. How do you explain that? Think about it if Muhammad imanutjob lost the election America wouldn't have an excuse to invade Iran would it? It would be forced to work with the new regime.

[apacheslim]

yeah they are genuine ones then there are those which are paid and organized by infiltrators. thast the ways it works. subversive means. putting newspaper articles in Iranian magazines that are anti-government, paying people to demonstrate. Its happened so many times before. look up venezuela. Now this deosnt mean that there aren't faults with the current government but still come on . Bush cheated and no one cared people died in england at the protests and were arrested , yet its different.

[seonf]

Yeah I know and Israel already has a nuclear weapon program and no one cares. They use this as propaganda as to why we should invade Iran. I want the Iranian people to be free but I want them to rise up. If the government the US replaces the dictatorship with is anything like previous US puppet governments it will just be as bad. Only the Iranian people can free themselves.

Also I have constantly asked Americans why they didn't rise up over the past 8 years and overthrow the puppet Bush.

[apacheslim]

well there you go

its none of the Americans business to be in Iran at all. things would actually be worse if the British and the Americans get their way. before it was spreading religion then civilisation and now its democracy and freedom what a load of crap. Its just an excuse to expand power

[seonf]

Yep but to be fair Islam has spread religion by the sword as well and some Arab countries are even worse then America in regards to human rights. I'd still like to see if women really do have more rights in Iran then other middle eastern countries.

[apacheslim]

i agree

but for people to start saying that women there are being hung and raped and that they are full of hate is an exaggeration in the context of Iran

but yes there is an issue there with women

[seonf]

Yeah Iran isn't that bad but they are some haters. When Iran captured those British sailors students were demanding they get executed. But luckily the government didn't bow to extremists. Plus gay rights in Iran is non existent but it isn't as bad as people say.

So then that woman really was insulting women in Iran who are oppressed? Christopher Hitchens was right yay.

[apacheslim]

who is he to doubt a woman who has lived in Iran?

[seonf]

Who is she to insult the women in Iran who are being oppressed?

[apacheslim]

sh is an Iranian woman

women in Iran aren't treated the same as other Islamic nations

[seonf]

So the Iranian women who talk about being oppressed are wrong?

I'll wait until you talk to your Iranian friends and see what they think. I for one would tell them to get their country back.

[OrthodoxSteel]

Hitchens has spent more time in Iran than her. Who is she to doubt a man who has spent more time in Iran than her? Who is she to say she shows her hair in Iran then say, in the very next statement, that she wears a "little scarf"...its a contradiction in terms and Hitchens was right to point out that what she is doing in Australia {speaking on TV beside a male companion} is not an option open to women in Iran. Shame on her. Shame on her. And her fat belly is a disgrace too.

[MrElectroGizmo]

He's the bloke that has visited Iran. And Iraq. And North Korea. And seen it first hand. Her being a muslim or an Iranian doesn't give her opinion special consideration.

[apacheslim]

so let me get this you believe that the fat fuck here  knows more than an iranian Muslim woman? who was born in Iran and has lived there.

Do you fucking know anything about Iran? If you want to bitch about women abuse talk about Saudi Arabia where they fucking behead women. tell me exactly how do they treat women in iran?

[QwidgyboMan]

The fact that you called Hitchens a "fat fuck" shows you probably don't have any idea who he is or what his background encompasses. Your asking me, if I know anything about Iran is congruent with your rhetorical question of whether I think an Iranian born and bred woman would know less than an English-American polemicist/writer, simply because of these stated facts -- They are both irrelevant.

[QwidgyboMan]

Being born and bred in said country is not a pre-requisite, nor does it give you or your opinion special precedent or license. Hitchens is an extremely well-read and traversed journalist.

Furthermore, her obfuscation and inarticulate ranting, clearly points to an agenda or ulterior motive., influenced probably more by emotion than fact or truth.

[apacheslim]

these people are people that observe and think about life. they are not the ones who experience these things first hand (dont mention the water boarding it doesnt count) they sit back rather, and judge and come up with ideas. Personally those that experience life i tend to take as more credible. Hitchens although being a fat fuck is more informed and aware than most I understand this, however he lacks the experience that an iranian woman has.

[apacheslim]

i have met many iranians and they all tell me how mis understood iran is culturally. Iran isfar more progressive than many many nations. If women are stoned to death it would be in the rurual primitive parts not the city. Iran isnt a third world country full of peasants.

[k9k9k9er]

people r progressive but not the government. thats why there is so much unrest in iran. and thats what hitchens is saying when he says, "shame on you". for belittling the fight of the progressive ppl by lying about reallity in iran. yes iranians PEOPLE are progressive not the regime. there is difference. ask ur friends. b.t.w. this regime created this misconseption about iranians. before the revolution we were loved everywhere, now we r terrorist thanks to this evil regime. ask ur friends that

[Mahdavi1990]

Khafesho .. Man Irani hastam, vali Fars nistam.

Torki baladam.

You are either a liar or someone who is too dumb to watch a video and understand what a person is trying to say.

LOL kharr!

[k9k9k9er]

na to khafe sho bisavad. akhe cheghadr to ahmaghi ke ba chizi ke hamie donya midonan bahs mikoni

how am i a lier?

u think regims not oppressive?

then wat the fuck r u doing in UK?

ur an idiot from the start u lied, woman dont have to cover their hair under islamic republic?lol

look it up NOONE argues this. only u & that NON-IRANIAN bitch.

so please retain some of ur dignity & stop buthering me with ur childish insane argumenet. do u get it NOONE even the islamic republic doesnt argue this?

[apacheslim]

i dont mind some of his views but i think he is arrogant to dismiss what an iranian womens says just because it doesn't fit with his view of reality. the job of this fat fucker is not necessarily to be intelligent but also entertaining and abide by what the audience wants to hear, Now i know that isn't always the case but it is true. Please stop trying to be like hitchens there by pretending to use intelligent language. i will take the side of the iranian woman not the fat british bastard

[k9k9k9er]

Im Iranian.

first of all her accent is not persian, especially when she says allah, she sounds arab.

second why dont u look at some videos if u wish and see what the islamic republic does to woman and ppl in general.

lastly if this fat ass really loves the islamic republic what is she doing in australia showing her hair in a "disgracefull way"? if she believes in the fact that wearing a scarf is modist why she only does it in iran? is it because it forced perhaps

[k9k9k9er]

ill give u some facts since u asked for it.

u can marry a 9 year old girl under islamic law

woman r half man.

after divorce the father gets the child not the mother. so u can imagine the abuse the woman would go under just to be with her child, because the father threatens her.

woman r stones to death or hung if they commit "adultary"

men can have multiple wives.

men and woman cant hold hands in public.

arrested for wearing inproper clothing and beaten

do u want me to give u more?

[k9k9k9er]

sorry that wasnt for u

[seonf]

I understand.

[k9k9k9er]

Woman can leave home without men. they can hold seats in parliment. they can drive not as bad as sudi arabia,persian cultures more progressive.

but the islamic republic is oppressive. woman HAve to cover their hair.

have to cover theyre body. men and woman cant show affection in public

yes gays r killed, mostly hangd.

under islam any muslim coverts must b killed so yes the islamic republic does kill converts

ppl cant protest.

but soon my ppl will overthrough this filthy regim

take care

[seonf]

I guess Iran isn't as bad as Saudi barbaria but it is still pretty bad. I hope so. I hope one day you free yourselves and the government of Iran becomes secular. Death to the dictators.

[seonf]

A lot of rights? What a load of shit. Christopher is right saying that is an insult to all Muslim women being oppressed. Women have more rights in western country.

[nyomythus]

It was a total insult to the women of Tehran, very sad :(

[Steadno]

Yea the right to dress from head to toe in black sheets in 100+ degree weather, to be illiterate, to walk 3 feet behind her husband, to speak when spoken to, to be executed for being raped and to be a cook, cleaner and baby factory for life. This is the definition of hell!

[apacheslim]

if a man rapes a woman in iran he is hung

she doesnt walk behind him

trhey dont wear black sheets head to toe they are persian its not their culture

fuck you people are ignorant

[Steadno]

You sound like that lady. We know what's up!

[NiklasKing87]

How utterly pathetic i of her.

[hazydavey]

Just a naive girl making a naive comment.

You hear this sort of thing all the time. "It's not religion or religious faith that is bad, the problem is that people who twist things and do bad things in the name of religion."

Once you go down that road, you can excuse just about anything.

[akamola11]

Great video. BTW, just one point about the veil and "modesty" that the biyatch brought up, what do you think happened to her "modesty" when she came back to Australia ???