I think it's telling that a sci-fi show from the 1990s can put a Muslim side by side with a Orthodox Jew, when now, people worry when you put those same 2 people in the same room
Anthropomorphic gods haven't delivered so far. I'm agnostic, & seriously doubt an afterlife, but if there were one for me it seems logical that it would be like when matter falls into a black hole. Eventually some of those particles can radiate back out. The thing is, they are just elementary particles, containing no information about what they once were. Seeing your loved ones in an afterlife is wishful thinking I say. It would be nice, sure, but that doesn't make it true.
politics and religion arn`t the same but there are very very damm close thats its very hard too see them apart sometimes and in some countrys the political in lead by the religion so there isn`t an apart too see.
political power grabbing and religuis fear mongering has done more evil too this world then any thing els could have
Galileo Galilei - forced to recant heliocentrism under pain of excommunication on a charge of heresy. Held under house arrest for years to extract this 'confession'.
I don't think religion is the message that this scene is supposed to signify. It's the differences (aka the diversity) of mankind that make us unique. They divide us yet at the same time draw us together.
Christians tried to suppress science for a very long time, many of them are still doing it today. Iif you don't believe so then you are an idiot and your opinions are therefore irrelevant.
@Kristhehistorian Atheists do not usually try to convert anyone, they just ask that theists not wave it in their faces in their daily lives. Just as an atheist shouldn't go out on a corner to proclaim there is no god, Theists shouldn't make billboards saying atheists go to hell for not believing. It's funny, really, religions all have this great threat against atheists for not believing, whereas atheists don't threaten Theists with anything. They generally just ask to be left alone already! FA!
Atheists are guilty of the same. Atheism is a tenet of communism, and communists tried for a long time suppressed the religious beliefs of the nations under its system.
Atheists in general have serious issues with Christianity or authority in general and tend to equate all religious beliefs to be the same which, of course, isn't true.
@zadkiel242 Not all atheists are the same either.... And if you read what I said fully, I stated both sides should stop baiting one another. Personally, I'm a pastafaranist, so I don't care what atheists and needy gullible people believe.
@Kristhehistorian Check "The dragon in my Garage" by Carl Sagan....Or The Atheist experience.. MAtt D. has done this to death.... If fact the are many many.....many vids to that effect...; )
@Kristhehistorian Your sort of in left field here...Check to above post... Check out Carl Sagans imaginary,invisible intangible unicorn....A theist making a claim have the burdon of proof An atheist does not have to prove his or her Non belief.......That is where this topic originaly started......
@tornadoe13 Not all of us insist that our religion is "right" and others "wrong". This is a behavior out of religious obscurantism and not an intrinsic characteristic of religion.
Good examples: In the Bhagavad Gita, there is an explicit citation of Krishna telling Arjuna to respect all other religions; in Gospel According to Spiritism there is an entire chapter against the idea of one single religion (including Spiritism itself) holding the entire truth.
@IamthePopeRome Oh yes it is. When you think about it, disbelief in God, has to have some kernel of God somewhere. You have to believe in something if you wan't to deny it. Tell me, how can you prove a negative??? =Stefan=
@chengloki You cant prove a negative. Thats why the burdon of proof is always on the theist making the claim... Which in all human history has yet to be done by any religion........... But truley I like this episode. This is the best way to look at what we as humans believe.....Seeing this clip might wake up a few of the factions here on Earth Those who think they are the only ones right.
@seeker6789 That's why I have a beef with religion. I do believe in God and talk (Pray) to him each day. I don't care for religion. People are dying, today, in the name of religion. Am I the only one who sees something wrong with this picture????? =Stefan=
@chengloki Yes, people are dying because of religion... and also getting food from charity, receiving relief from the pain of loosing beloved ones, acquiring opportunities to work towards the common welfare, getting reasons to leave drugs and crime, making friends, getting in touch with themself, questioning the world around them and so many other things I do not see people mentioning in YouTube very often.
Conflicts exist mostly for politics and politics is everywhere, even in religion.
@chengloki I am sorry for your loss and, most important of all, for the reason why it happened.
I can tell you your friends did not die because of religion. They died because someone was in lack of religion (or any other type of sincere guidance).
All of the so called "great religions" preach compassion and forgiveness. Those who fight over religion fight for politics and personal interest, not for the doctrines themselves.
If we followed our religions we would all be one peaceful family.
@chengloki I remember seeing alleged buddhist practitioners burning a movie hall in India because of the movie "Ashoka", which was offensive to our faith.
"Ashoka" was sensualist, degradating and untrue... but nothing offended Buddhism as much as the violence of the "pro-buddhist" manifestations.
They did not understand their own religion, psychologically projected themsenves in it and turned to violence. This happens in sports (hulligans), politics and any human activity.
@JulioMarco I remember a monk, in Viet Namh, dousing himself with gasoline, and setting himself on fire. I was there!!! Did he understand his religion?? Would he have agreed with you? No, my friend. Religion is the greatest evil on the face of this Earth. If it wasn't for Religion, would we have the Crusades? How about Jihad? Or the Orange and Greens in Ireland? No, Religion is the ultimate evil. The fanatics don't give a damn about understanding! They wan't what they wan't. =Stefan=
@chengloki I know a large group of religious women in Brazil who spend their lives in contact with the poor people of Rio de Janeiro, giving them food and some spiritual comfort, telling them not to kill and die in the streets. They even managed to find jobs for some, taking them out of complete misery. I was there and worked with them for almost a year.
Fanatics are nothing but the worst part, and their numbers are thin.
Your monk did not get the point. Monks are people and make mistakes.
@JulioMarco I also remember a monk in England who wears golden rings, has a long hair, which seems to be very well treated, and overall seems to care a lot about his physical appearance.
A monk, as a rule, most present himself in the simplest possible manner. That monk did not get the point.
It is our duty to question our priests and our doctrines. Religion depends on religiosity and the least depends on our active participation on the religious process as reasonable people.
@chengloki Sorry for the flood of answers, but your point is relevant!
Yes, without religion we would have all those terrible events in our history, for they are political events and would be in other disguise if religion did not exist.
The Crusades were a feudal move for the occupation of land in the east.
Jihad is the usual "find an enemy" move by totalitarian governments in some arabian countries.
Ireland colors do not stand for religion, but for "pro" and "against" english occupation.
@seeker6789 No, it is possible to prove a negative. Just take the consequences of the negative and prove tehm to hold.
The burden of the proof belongs to both sides and will never be fulfilled, since the existence of a deity is not a testable subject.
We can not see a deity, we can not test its existence, so all that is left for us is belief. Look inside of yourself with an open mind and ask "Do I really believe in a deity?".
@JulioMarco Qualifying a negetive. There are a few hundred good vids on the topic. Just look up any "Answers to Shock of gods famous question vids" They can say it much better then me.
I like to imagine that after this, they all remained for a good long time and talked to each other. I'm also massively please that as an atheist, I was represented up there in that line. It isn't a religion, but it is a belief and we tend to get left out a lot - something that it would have been easy for a show with so much spirituality at its core to do.
Love this show. And love this scene, showing how much we vary but together we are all still human.
@SpreadingtheMuse yeah, but that doesn't mean JMS disses those who got religious beliefs, he respects them as much they respect him which is the whole point of this scene.
But I think he would be wiser if he respected others even when they disrespected him. When you disrespect someone else or someone else's belief, you are not showing their mistakes... you are showing yours. ;)
@recabarrennahuel Religion is belief. People belive in a god, in heaven and hell, in Allah or something like that.
Then their is the groep that belive there is nothing. So I my eyes, Atheïsm is believing in nothing. All Atheïst therefor think the same. So it is a religion. The holy book is the science book.
WOW for the first time, I have actually got to see our world from an alien's perspective! I don't think I have ever experienced this in any other Sci-Fi Movie! To us......our world and the differences within have cause problems throughout our history, but we are as diverse and colorful as the universe itself, and it is this testament and legacy that offworlders might understand of us before we ever reach that understanding ourselves. To experince this scene is to experience Epiphany!
Absolutely beautiful scene. J. Michael Straczynski, the creator of the show, is an atheist, but he's always been very respectful of religion and religious people. The series as a whole goes to great lengths to show the good and the bad that can be found in religion.
Odd how the first guy they introduced was an atheist. Technically speaking, atheism isn't a religion, but instead is the non-belief in a god or gods. But I guess it still sort of makes sense that if you're going to showcase Earth's religions, you also need to address those people who choose not to believe in a god or gods.
@kevlonk There is no conclusive evidence for the existence, or absence of god. Atheists, are composed of the same fundamental essence from which all religions are based; faith. I find it insightfully appropriate that an atheist was included.
@ThePolysyllabist Like all ideas that have no evidentiary basis the existence of gods can rightfully be dismissed untill evidence meeting the burden of proof has been provided, no faith is required. You see, it seems that only this particular idea gets a free pass, where others do not, Zeus and other now "dead" gods are no longer taken as potentials. Calling oneself an Atheist is to summarilly discard also this unfounded concept, and being somewhat consistent in ones level of critique. In reason
@AgenonTaeche Like all ideas that have no evidentiary basis, the absence of a god can be dismissed until evidence meeting the burden of proof has been provided. To do otherwise, would require an act of faith.
@ThePolysyllabist "the absence of a god can be dismissed until evidence meeting the burden of proof has been provided" - No, if theres nothing to be presented in favor of the proposed entitys existence theres simply nothing to talk about. It does not work the other way around, for to do so is to take the proposed entity as already justified, which it is not. To do *that* is to accept something despite the lack of evidence, on faith. Non-acceptance of such a thing is perfectly justified. QED.
@AgenonTaeche I know the world to be round, due to many lines of evidence I've amassed.
I have faith that space faring chickens do not in fact vacation on the dark side of the moon. While I personally have no evidence to support such a notion, as it does not fit my conceptions of reality (otherwise supported by fact) I've chosen to come to such a conclusion. The factual nature of my reality which finds moon chickens unlikely, however, does nothing to move this belief from that of faith.
@ThePolysyllabist There are so many things wrong with this, you have no reason to take that notion seriously because it is frankly insane, and you seem to equate an acceptance of the "god" concept to a dismissal of space faring moon chickens. That is to say a positive position with a negative one when the two are not the same. It is as justified to dismiss the notion of "god" as it is to do the same with the space chickens, because they are both unsupported by any kind of valid evidence..
@AgenonTaeche Ran out of room, but i need to emphasize that no "faith" is required in not accepting an unsound argument for the existance of something with no evidentiary basis. If you still persist, ponder then why a similarly unfounded concept doesnt enjoy the same excusion as this "god" notion. The number of adherents or how strongly they believe something has no relevance in how valid or probable it is. Have a nice day.
@AgenonTaeche When the idea of God is so popular, you need faith in yourself and the fact that you don't believe; faith in the fact there is no evidence that God exists.
@jortecus1 It's brought up in the second to last episode that English is the trade and diplomatic language adopted by the Earth Alliance. It's possible that English is a mandatory language requirement in schools across the Earth Alliance regardless of what the local languages might be.
Each world was to showcase its dominate religion, allthrough the show he struggled because he didn't know what earths dominate religion was... what was the most important religion to earth, what religion shaped it.... In the end he decided. They all did, in one way or anouther.
oh you have no idea. Religion is treated very VERY seriously troughout. In fact one person who really helped was the Actor who played G'Kar (the guy with the spots) was a very devoute Greek Orthadox.
@NeoMikey It is a relief to see that people related to science (fiction or not) can think of religion in a balanced manner.
Religion is not against science. As an example, the Qu'ran says that, if you want to know Allah, you must know his creation. That made the muslins of the past to turn to research and produce great developments in mathematics, engineering, astronomy and many other fields of the human knowledge.
We must remove both the ideas of an absolute science and of a tyranic religion.
This is...actually a bit beautiful.
historybuff5341 1 month ago
I think it's telling that a sci-fi show from the 1990s can put a Muslim side by side with a Orthodox Jew, when now, people worry when you put those same 2 people in the same room
Thanaxas 1 month ago
Scientologists and Unitologists have not been invited for being total dicks!
olllj 1 month ago 2
awesome!
mstapf 1 month ago
One day
EriksenMister 3 months ago
See, stupidity and lack of critical thinking comes in all forms.
olivemike81 3 months ago 5
Anthropomorphic gods haven't delivered so far. I'm agnostic, & seriously doubt an afterlife, but if there were one for me it seems logical that it would be like when matter falls into a black hole. Eventually some of those particles can radiate back out. The thing is, they are just elementary particles, containing no information about what they once were. Seeing your loved ones in an afterlife is wishful thinking I say. It would be nice, sure, but that doesn't make it true.
Dblspace 3 months ago
We were not all meant to be the same. Either by design or accident.
Coelacanth1938 4 months ago
This has always been one of my favorite moments involving sci-fi and religion.
JoyfulKittie 5 months ago 2
The Minbari religious Caste alone will be busy for generations to come....
brownblair98 5 months ago
besides the first who doesn't believe the rest all believe in bullshit ;)
annata12 5 months ago
I want the aliens to scream ok we get it you have a ton of religions.
J5MARLON 6 months ago
politics and religion arn`t the same but there are very very damm close thats its very hard too see them apart sometimes and in some countrys the political in lead by the religion so there isn`t an apart too see.
political power grabbing and religuis fear mongering has done more evil too this world then any thing els could have
deathwatch1980 6 months ago
In the episode each species gave an insight into it's major religion.
I had fully expected (since it's ofcourse an american series) that it would show only the christian faith.
I don't think i've ever been so glad to be wrong.
Bule1976 7 months ago 2
@Kristhehistorian
Galileo Galilei - forced to recant heliocentrism under pain of excommunication on a charge of heresy. Held under house arrest for years to extract this 'confession'.
Washu1973 7 months ago
I don't think religion is the message that this scene is supposed to signify. It's the differences (aka the diversity) of mankind that make us unique. They divide us yet at the same time draw us together.
JetJaguar1981 7 months ago
@Kristhehistorian
Christians tried to suppress science for a very long time, many of them are still doing it today. Iif you don't believe so then you are an idiot and your opinions are therefore irrelevant.
z3r0t0l3r4ns 7 months ago
@Kristhehistorian Atheists do not usually try to convert anyone, they just ask that theists not wave it in their faces in their daily lives. Just as an atheist shouldn't go out on a corner to proclaim there is no god, Theists shouldn't make billboards saying atheists go to hell for not believing. It's funny, really, religions all have this great threat against atheists for not believing, whereas atheists don't threaten Theists with anything. They generally just ask to be left alone already! FA!
Rauri26 7 months ago
@Rauri26
Atheists are guilty of the same. Atheism is a tenet of communism, and communists tried for a long time suppressed the religious beliefs of the nations under its system.
Atheists in general have serious issues with Christianity or authority in general and tend to equate all religious beliefs to be the same which, of course, isn't true.
zadkiel242 7 months ago
@zadkiel242 NO! The true Atheists, such as I am, care nothing about politics!
We only stand against the lies and fears that the damn priests of ANY religion try to instill on the people.
I DO believe in a life after death but I will neither wear wings nor a halo, and I won´t carry a pitchfork and hoofs.
My personal paradise is all set up and waiting for me - and everyone shall be wellcome into it for having a good time.
KGW (I was a capitalistic posterchild!)
KrautGoesWild 6 months ago
@KrautGoesWild true athiest? athiestsum mean not believing in god that all it means
what that also means is that they also don`t believe in whatever afterlive thing those religions tell you is out there
if you believe in any kind of afterlive or coming back after death your not an atiest your a believer in something !!
deathwatch1980 6 months ago
@deathwatch1980 Hi! Well, I gotta confess that I do believe in some kind of afterlife but not in a way that any religion proclaims.
It might be realistic that I just die any then there will be nothing and all I was is gone.
But IF there is an afterlife there will be no gods, angels, devils whatsoever.
Have a nice day! - Peace!
KrautGoesWild 6 months ago
@deathwatch1980 nooooooo, atheism is specifically not believing in a DEITY (theism, atheism, root words bro)
not the disbelief in an afterlife
and even if theere is an afterlife, how would that prove in any way there is a god?
Ralokone 5 months ago
@zadkiel242 Not all atheists are the same either.... And if you read what I said fully, I stated both sides should stop baiting one another. Personally, I'm a pastafaranist, so I don't care what atheists and needy gullible people believe.
Rauri26 5 months ago
@Kristhehistorian Check "The dragon in my Garage" by Carl Sagan....Or The Atheist experience.. MAtt D. has done this to death.... If fact the are many many.....many vids to that effect...; )
seeker6789 7 months ago
@Kristhehistorian Your sort of in left field here...Check to above post... Check out Carl Sagans imaginary,invisible intangible unicorn....A theist making a claim have the burdon of proof An atheist does not have to prove his or her Non belief.......That is where this topic originaly started......
seeker6789 7 months ago
How is it that a sci-fi show from the 90's can accept and understand such a wide variety of faiths but so many people today cannot?
TheJboy88 8 months ago 2
@TheJboy88 that is a vary good question
CRXknight 5 months ago
No clown in a straight jacket, so I guess Scientology wasn't invited :P
melchCody 8 months ago 2
This makes me proud to be a human being. Not one religion was trivialized.
smcneal057 9 months ago 2
i love how the atheist looks like an Aryan Supremicist....
silaku 9 months ago
@silaku oh pick pick pick ffs. He is blonde you dolt that's all it is.
melchCody 8 months ago
Great scene. Understanding and tolerance!
ChewbaccaFan2087 9 months ago
Well aren't we just diverse.
OneTrueEdge 9 months ago
This was one of my favorite parts of his show.
squirreljester2 9 months ago
Oh! The last response was for chengloki! Sorry! :)
JulioMarco 9 months ago
with so many people believing different things and each insisting that theirs is right, no wonder humanity won't stop arguing
tornadoe13 10 months ago
@tornadoe13 Not all of us insist that our religion is "right" and others "wrong". This is a behavior out of religious obscurantism and not an intrinsic characteristic of religion.
Good examples: In the Bhagavad Gita, there is an explicit citation of Krishna telling Arjuna to respect all other religions; in Gospel According to Spiritism there is an entire chapter against the idea of one single religion (including Spiritism itself) holding the entire truth.
We can fare peacefully in religion. :)
JulioMarco 10 months ago
@JulioMarco
If I wanted a lecture on a myth I would have posted my own video
tornadoe13 9 months ago
@tornadoe13 I did not give you a lecture on myth... I answered your post about religion.
Lectures and answers, religion and myth... all are different things.
JulioMarco 9 months ago
One of the best moments in the first season.
KiwiKugai 10 months ago
Atheism is not a belief system.
IamthePopeRome 11 months ago
@IamthePopeRome Oh yes it is. When you think about it, disbelief in God, has to have some kernel of God somewhere. You have to believe in something if you wan't to deny it. Tell me, how can you prove a negative??? =Stefan=
chengloki 10 months ago
@chengloki You cant prove a negative. Thats why the burdon of proof is always on the theist making the claim... Which in all human history has yet to be done by any religion........... But truley I like this episode. This is the best way to look at what we as humans believe.....Seeing this clip might wake up a few of the factions here on Earth Those who think they are the only ones right.
seeker6789 10 months ago
@seeker6789 That's why I have a beef with religion. I do believe in God and talk (Pray) to him each day. I don't care for religion. People are dying, today, in the name of religion. Am I the only one who sees something wrong with this picture????? =Stefan=
chengloki 10 months ago
@chengloki Yes, people are dying because of religion... and also getting food from charity, receiving relief from the pain of loosing beloved ones, acquiring opportunities to work towards the common welfare, getting reasons to leave drugs and crime, making friends, getting in touch with themself, questioning the world around them and so many other things I do not see people mentioning in YouTube very often.
Conflicts exist mostly for politics and politics is everywhere, even in religion.
JulioMarco 10 months ago
@JulioMarco I just remember close friends that died, because of "religion". It's very hard to remember the rest. =Stefan=
chengloki 9 months ago
@chengloki I am sorry for your loss and, most important of all, for the reason why it happened.
I can tell you your friends did not die because of religion. They died because someone was in lack of religion (or any other type of sincere guidance).
All of the so called "great religions" preach compassion and forgiveness. Those who fight over religion fight for politics and personal interest, not for the doctrines themselves.
If we followed our religions we would all be one peaceful family.
JulioMarco 9 months ago
@chengloki I remember seeing alleged buddhist practitioners burning a movie hall in India because of the movie "Ashoka", which was offensive to our faith.
"Ashoka" was sensualist, degradating and untrue... but nothing offended Buddhism as much as the violence of the "pro-buddhist" manifestations.
They did not understand their own religion, psychologically projected themsenves in it and turned to violence. This happens in sports (hulligans), politics and any human activity.
It is not religion.
JulioMarco 9 months ago
@JulioMarco I remember a monk, in Viet Namh, dousing himself with gasoline, and setting himself on fire. I was there!!! Did he understand his religion?? Would he have agreed with you? No, my friend. Religion is the greatest evil on the face of this Earth. If it wasn't for Religion, would we have the Crusades? How about Jihad? Or the Orange and Greens in Ireland? No, Religion is the ultimate evil. The fanatics don't give a damn about understanding! They wan't what they wan't. =Stefan=
chengloki 9 months ago
@chengloki I know a large group of religious women in Brazil who spend their lives in contact with the poor people of Rio de Janeiro, giving them food and some spiritual comfort, telling them not to kill and die in the streets. They even managed to find jobs for some, taking them out of complete misery. I was there and worked with them for almost a year.
Fanatics are nothing but the worst part, and their numbers are thin.
Your monk did not get the point. Monks are people and make mistakes.
JulioMarco 9 months ago
@JulioMarco I also remember a monk in England who wears golden rings, has a long hair, which seems to be very well treated, and overall seems to care a lot about his physical appearance.
A monk, as a rule, most present himself in the simplest possible manner. That monk did not get the point.
It is our duty to question our priests and our doctrines. Religion depends on religiosity and the least depends on our active participation on the religious process as reasonable people.
JulioMarco 9 months ago
@chengloki Sorry for the flood of answers, but your point is relevant!
Yes, without religion we would have all those terrible events in our history, for they are political events and would be in other disguise if religion did not exist.
The Crusades were a feudal move for the occupation of land in the east.
Jihad is the usual "find an enemy" move by totalitarian governments in some arabian countries.
Ireland colors do not stand for religion, but for "pro" and "against" english occupation.
JulioMarco 9 months ago
@seeker6789 No, it is possible to prove a negative. Just take the consequences of the negative and prove tehm to hold.
The burden of the proof belongs to both sides and will never be fulfilled, since the existence of a deity is not a testable subject.
We can not see a deity, we can not test its existence, so all that is left for us is belief. Look inside of yourself with an open mind and ask "Do I really believe in a deity?".
The answer is all yours and all valid...
JulioMarco 10 months ago
@JulioMarco Qualifying a negetive. There are a few hundred good vids on the topic. Just look up any "Answers to Shock of gods famous question vids" They can say it much better then me.
seeker6789 10 months ago
@IamthePopeRome Sorry, but atheism is a belief system.
The absence of belief exists in Agnosticism ("I do not know if there is a deity").
If you BELIEVE in the inexistence of a deity, you have a belief system.
JulioMarco 10 months ago
Being the geek I am, all I can think in this scene is: yeah, like the aliens don't have multiple religions as well!
I'm sad, i know.
MoltenPlastic 1 year ago
So many differences but still were are one.
Human!
Infinite combination's & one race = humanity
Mind open!!
pfcn2 1 year ago
I like to imagine that after this, they all remained for a good long time and talked to each other. I'm also massively please that as an atheist, I was represented up there in that line. It isn't a religion, but it is a belief and we tend to get left out a lot - something that it would have been easy for a show with so much spirituality at its core to do.
Love this show. And love this scene, showing how much we vary but together we are all still human.
NethDugan 1 year ago
The Atheist is first as thats the creators, Strazynski's, belief.
SpreadingtheMuse 1 year ago
@SpreadingtheMuse yeah, but that doesn't mean JMS disses those who got religious beliefs, he respects them as much they respect him which is the whole point of this scene.
Diakron79 1 year ago
@Diakron79
Yeah Ive seen JMS in person talking about his atheism and he doesnt use it to attack religion, no. My comment was just an observation of his status
SpreadingtheMuse 1 year ago
@Diakron79 then JMS is a wise man. :)
But I think he would be wiser if he respected others even when they disrespected him. When you disrespect someone else or someone else's belief, you are not showing their mistakes... you are showing yours. ;)
JulioMarco 10 months ago
One of the reasons I LOVE this show. :-)
Ulathar23 1 year ago
The Atheist was there to shock the viewers for a second. Then to make you think what IS a religion, and what is faith.
Hepathos 1 year ago
The obvious... Atheism is not a religion, should not be there.
Suerte!
recabarrennahuel 1 year ago
@recabarrennahuel Religion is belief. People belive in a god, in heaven and hell, in Allah or something like that.
Then their is the groep that belive there is nothing. So I my eyes, Atheïsm is believing in nothing. All Atheïst therefor think the same. So it is a religion. The holy book is the science book.
Soldierlozer 1 year ago
@Soldierlozer No Nilhism is belief in nothing, atheism is a rejection of theists claims.
ganados0 1 year ago
WOW for the first time, I have actually got to see our world from an alien's perspective! I don't think I have ever experienced this in any other Sci-Fi Movie! To us......our world and the differences within have cause problems throughout our history, but we are as diverse and colorful as the universe itself, and it is this testament and legacy that offworlders might understand of us before we ever reach that understanding ourselves. To experince this scene is to experience Epiphany!
EasternMerchant 1 year ago
@EasternMerchant LOL hopefully they dont see us and god........HERETICS! kille them all!
valcan321 1 year ago
This is a beautiful scene
1femalegeek 1 year ago 4
Absolutely beautiful scene. J. Michael Straczynski, the creator of the show, is an atheist, but he's always been very respectful of religion and religious people. The series as a whole goes to great lengths to show the good and the bad that can be found in religion.
ShyDaniel2112 1 year ago 8
Odd how the first guy they introduced was an atheist. Technically speaking, atheism isn't a religion, but instead is the non-belief in a god or gods. But I guess it still sort of makes sense that if you're going to showcase Earth's religions, you also need to address those people who choose not to believe in a god or gods.
kevlonk 1 year ago 4
@kevlonk There is no conclusive evidence for the existence, or absence of god. Atheists, are composed of the same fundamental essence from which all religions are based; faith. I find it insightfully appropriate that an atheist was included.
ThePolysyllabist 1 year ago
@ThePolysyllabist Like all ideas that have no evidentiary basis the existence of gods can rightfully be dismissed untill evidence meeting the burden of proof has been provided, no faith is required. You see, it seems that only this particular idea gets a free pass, where others do not, Zeus and other now "dead" gods are no longer taken as potentials. Calling oneself an Atheist is to summarilly discard also this unfounded concept, and being somewhat consistent in ones level of critique. In reason
AgenonTaeche 1 year ago
@AgenonTaeche Like all ideas that have no evidentiary basis, the absence of a god can be dismissed until evidence meeting the burden of proof has been provided. To do otherwise, would require an act of faith.
ThePolysyllabist 1 year ago
@ThePolysyllabist "the absence of a god can be dismissed until evidence meeting the burden of proof has been provided" - No, if theres nothing to be presented in favor of the proposed entitys existence theres simply nothing to talk about. It does not work the other way around, for to do so is to take the proposed entity as already justified, which it is not. To do *that* is to accept something despite the lack of evidence, on faith. Non-acceptance of such a thing is perfectly justified. QED.
AgenonTaeche 1 year ago
@AgenonTaeche I know the world to be round, due to many lines of evidence I've amassed.
I have faith that space faring chickens do not in fact vacation on the dark side of the moon. While I personally have no evidence to support such a notion, as it does not fit my conceptions of reality (otherwise supported by fact) I've chosen to come to such a conclusion. The factual nature of my reality which finds moon chickens unlikely, however, does nothing to move this belief from that of faith.
ThePolysyllabist 1 year ago
@ThePolysyllabist There are so many things wrong with this, you have no reason to take that notion seriously because it is frankly insane, and you seem to equate an acceptance of the "god" concept to a dismissal of space faring moon chickens. That is to say a positive position with a negative one when the two are not the same. It is as justified to dismiss the notion of "god" as it is to do the same with the space chickens, because they are both unsupported by any kind of valid evidence..
AgenonTaeche 1 year ago
@AgenonTaeche Ran out of room, but i need to emphasize that no "faith" is required in not accepting an unsound argument for the existance of something with no evidentiary basis. If you still persist, ponder then why a similarly unfounded concept doesnt enjoy the same excusion as this "god" notion. The number of adherents or how strongly they believe something has no relevance in how valid or probable it is. Have a nice day.
AgenonTaeche 1 year ago
@AgenonTaeche When the idea of God is so popular, you need faith in yourself and the fact that you don't believe; faith in the fact there is no evidence that God exists.
Steamrunner92 1 year ago
everyone speaks english?
jortecus1 2 years ago 2
Well - he is just calling their names and what religion they are - I think it works in any language.
NexPathos 2 years ago 10
@jortecus1 It's brought up in the second to last episode that English is the trade and diplomatic language adopted by the Earth Alliance. It's possible that English is a mandatory language requirement in schools across the Earth Alliance regardless of what the local languages might be.
Fbueller129 8 months ago
It's a great scene. I wish they could have done the entire queue.
KaFaraqGatri 2 years ago 3
The Narn also have several different religions.
Tarvoc 2 years ago
One of my all time favorite scens in the entire series.
Shirotora1979 2 years ago 5
It took me a second to "get it". Then I started crying. That scene says it all!
chodeshadar18 3 years ago 57
Each world was to showcase its dominate religion, allthrough the show he struggled because he didn't know what earths dominate religion was... what was the most important religion to earth, what religion shaped it.... In the end he decided. They all did, in one way or anouther.
kitsychan 2 years ago 6
That was really a cool clip :) I'm glad to see they didn't trivialize religions like they sometimes do in other sci-fi shows!
NeoMikey 3 years ago 26
oh you have no idea. Religion is treated very VERY seriously troughout. In fact one person who really helped was the Actor who played G'Kar (the guy with the spots) was a very devoute Greek Orthadox.
Shirotora1979 2 years ago 5
@Shirotora1979 RIP Andreas Katsulas.
kevlonk 1 year ago 4
@NeoMikey It is a relief to see that people related to science (fiction or not) can think of religion in a balanced manner.
Religion is not against science. As an example, the Qu'ran says that, if you want to know Allah, you must know his creation. That made the muslins of the past to turn to research and produce great developments in mathematics, engineering, astronomy and many other fields of the human knowledge.
We must remove both the ideas of an absolute science and of a tyranic religion.
JulioMarco 9 months ago
It would have been cool if as the credits were going, Sinclair kept going too.
abraxas365 4 years ago 3